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Lots of Guns Edition

>Community Links:
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>Previous Thread:
>>97972157

>thread question:
Has anybody tried the alternative rules in the OP after complaints about bad GW rules/editions moving too fast?
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>>97975832
It's my first model.
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>>97975825
>TQ
I haven't.
It would be difficult to find someone to give those alternatives a try on TTS as it is mostly the big shots that get games so most likely even harder at the LGS.
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Repostan my collage submission.
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>>97975825
I still play 7th. No one in our club got on board for the changes 8th brought. We just write our own rules for the new units that came out over the last 10 years.
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>>97975839
is that Lykhis with the face from the corsair voidreaver box?
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>>97975839
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Bring back the sergeant wargear list
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>>97975465
Devastators [something] or [something] devastators. It'd be funny if they gave them another weird name still
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>>97975839
Sun wukong lookin ass
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All I want to know about 11E is if Combat Patrol and Crusade rules get improved.
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>>97975825
>TQ
Yes + writing my own as we speak
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>>97975851
Yep. A lot of cutting and greenstuff was needed to make it fit and blend in with the plume.
Really shoulda put more work into painting the head, I'll do that when I repaint it. I'm thinking I should take her off the 40mm base and make a mini-scenic instead.
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>>97975839
It's so fucking funny to imagine the webway randomly littered with pieces of telefragged corpses
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>Box so shit that not even the insiders/leakers want to show it

Bravo, James.
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>>97975825
looks zoggin great, lad
but needs more dakka
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>>97975865
>All I want to know about 11E is if Combat Patrol and Crusade rules get improved.
This. But I fear that this is going to be another edition that is going to cater mostly to the tournament scene.
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Sanguinary Guard refresh will be included in the Armageddon box
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>>97975825
>TQ
I play other alternative wargames so no. I'm working on the 9th edition battle bible and plan to eventually write my own fork based on it so I totally don't care about them.
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I like orks :D
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>>97975874
It leaked a year ago, plus there isn't an event for this showcase so it's hard to sneak a pic
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>>97975866
>Yes
You've really played one of the alternative rulesets linked in the OP?
Which one and was it actually a fun system?
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>>97975884
everyone does fren
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>>97975825
>TQ
no because unlike most of the thread I actually think the game is..
>fun
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>>97975890
>fren
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>>97975878
You jest but the death company will be getting a new kit and it will also be fucking ass
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>>97975889
Oh I thought that included older editions, then no. Gomene senpai, ore wa Biggo Retardu desu.
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shining spears are so fucking cool bros
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>>97975912
So you're telling me modern GW could always have done upgrades like that and just chooses not to?
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>>97975898
Apu iz green
Orks iz green
cuz green it da bestest color
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>>97975912
I'm convinced tzaangors will get a brand new 40k exclusive kit one day and TSfags will collectively kys their pants.
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>>97975918
James Warhammer won't approve of you having fun
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>>97975874
The problem I have with a number of kits is when they start 'gap filling' with extra characters.
One I can deal with, maybe 2
At four characters (assuming leaks are right) it really cuts into my interest for the SM side.

And I really need to see more VanVets to see if that kit will actually be worth it or if its only slightly fancier Assault Marines, in which case you may as well but the regular kit and convert.
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>>97975916
Have they ever been in a game? I'm imagining them being animated where they have to just stop and poke at enemies with those lances
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>>97975916
I don't respect vehicle-focused aspect warriors.

They should have had jetpacks instead, like the shadow spectres, but melee and with shields as well.
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>he fell for the army painter meme
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>>97975923
>TSfags will collectively kys their pants.
Only if they change the base sizes.
I still think about proxying SoB repentia as tzaangors.
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>>97975912
What a steal!
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>>97975932
inb4 that one AP shill loses his shit
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>>97975918
Yes. Have you forgotten when they sold 5 jump packs as an option? Forgot how they used to have an option to mail you specifc bits of specific models from their catalogue?
Only the shill and the subhuman believes that James doesn't choose to be rearded.
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>>97975900
At least there would be a point in DC getting a new kit. 35 additional dollars per every 5 models just to outfit them properly is robbery even by GW standards
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>>97975918
>and just chooses not to?
Because they don't sell because they price them like a fucking robbery.
A box of 10 tzaangors is already over 35£, and they would need almost 20£ of those extra shitty sprues just to get them to the proper 40k-themed scrub equipment.
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>>97975937
I fuckin love blue horrors. by far the cutest critters in all of WH. nurglings don't even come close in appeal
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well I managed to Finnaly prime my Tau commander (it was pain) For May's collage.
I'll be trying to paint him in a cammo pattern. Maybe a cold war one.
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>>97975948
Aren't they the same models as Pink but painted blue?
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>>97975839
please thin your paints and highlight your models anon
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>>97975887
Wasn't there a thing where apparently the """""new""""" gravis armoured units were on display in Warhammer Mecca?
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>>97975952
Sorry anon but it looks like you fucked up priming. Maybe the can was too cold, or the air around it was too humid, but it shouldn't be frosty like that. Maybe the can is just bad too.
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>>97975931
Jetbike cavalry is a fucking awesome concept. Doing some lame jetpack wouldn't be the same at all.
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>>97975942
I have not and that's why I'm taking the piss of GW.
>>97975946
HH legion upgrades regularly go out of stock, these are 20 buck packs for 10 shoulders/heads. Not shoulders and heads, 20 for 10 shoulders, or 20 for 10 heads.
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>>97975955
No, blue horrors are a newer kit, one without any options at all.
They just look the same because horrors are horrors, but there are slight differences, they have better poses, and I believe they're also a tiny bit smaller.
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>>97975932
What am I looking at?
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>>97975959
I have heard the rumor but we have yet to see the pics.
>warhammer mecca
I have yet to do my pilgrimage wallah habibi
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>>97975932
Vallejo > Citadel > AP > PA
PA is more just different than a straight downgrade but overall it is much less versatile so I still feel comfortable ranking it
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>>97975966
an item going out of stock doesn't mean they sell a lot of them
there could be a demand of 10 kits worldwide and they happen to produce just 5 at a time, to throw dumb numbers around
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>>97975932
I use AP washes with speedpaint medium
Gonna give AK washes with their quickgen medium a try and see how that goes.
>>97975939
>one AP shill loses his shit
Are you referring to the guy who sometimes post the ArmyPainter guy with a gun aimed at the camera? That stuff was meant to be humorous.
I will admit ArmyPainter has a good marketing team.
And I hope John Blanche is getting royalties from those John Blanche paint sets.
I'd paypiggy all of them if he really is getting royalties.
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>>97975969
Indeed.
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>>97975980
It shows there is demand enough.
Also; do you have numbers? You say they don't make it because it wouldn't sell, but is that a conclusion from data or just the good ol' "it makes sense to me" ass pull?
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>>97975884
whats going to be the point in the humble slugga if everyone gets a shoota anyway?
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>>97975966
I remember back in 4th I ordered 10 space marine jump packs for a unit of Deff Skullz Stormboyz. I also used Ogre Kingdom bits to customize my Warboss. Sad to hear you can't order bits anymore.
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>>97975979
>Vallejo
Is it finally safe to buy Vallejo paints and not get bubbled or a bubble bottle?
>PA
I thought ProAcryl has the best white acrylic paint (as in least frustrating to work with) on the market for miniatures.
Is there a better one now?

Know anything about the new P3 paints? They're now in droppers so that's a plus but I hope there is more than that.
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Place your votes. What's gonna be the cooler new centerpiece model of the Armageddon box?
Primaris Land Speeder or New Ork Walker?
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>>97975839
Not bad, the blade looks cool and I can see you tried some OSL on the feet.

The hair and face are looking rough. see if you can add some definition with highlights on the face (it looks too dark for an elf) and adding a little bit more wash to the hair folds and/or highlighting it.
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>>97975987
People lament the loss of boobs of the diaznettes, but horrors got the worst downgrade out of all the demons by far.
Also done by Diaz too!
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>>97976006
This looks so much better
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>>97976001
Who the fuck ever cared about goddamn land shitters?
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>>97976006
Yeah the old Diaz horrors were among the best sculpts of all time for GW.
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>>97975952
saar i think your primer is malfunctioning.

was it humid outside? did you shake the devil out of your can then shake it some more?
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>>97975987
nta but I prefer the old poses of multipart kits, I think making too "dynamic" of a pose actually detracts from the unit. You should not design a unit like X individual models. Unfortunately it seems modern "wargamers" are oblivious to what warhammer is and only look at miniatures individually, rather than a whole.

That's why the old marine "power squat" is still superior and its only real issue stemming from older plastic mould technology.
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>>97976006
>diazettes
Is this some meme I don't know or are you using speech to text software?
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>>97976005
>it looks too dark for an elf
That's my fetish.
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>>97976001
Whats going to be the next box locked model like the judiciar?
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>>97975992
Based, what a curse to have known greatness
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>>97976021
Diaz demonettes, diazettes
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post models
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>>97976033
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I just remembered I have an unpainted big guy, bros.
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>>97976021
Get out of here, newfag.
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>>97976001
>Primaris Land Speeder or New Ork Walker?
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>>97976023
Picked up all my dreads from people selling the 5th edition starter. They will be available on the resale market.
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>>97976029
Oh the sculptur's name. Got it.
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>>97976011
>>97976006
ON a related note why do people like to shit on the current horrors? I think 90% of the reason is honestly the paintjob. they dont need to look immaculate for little dorks that are first in line to die.
They will inevitably get refreshed with even more trinkets and crap tacked on with seam lines and gaps running down weird angle like every new kit
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>>97976033
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>>97975937
Maybe to please the lord of change you should change (your faction)
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most podels
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So did the stream happen already?
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Fucking Night Lords. How could anyone get off to the idea of removing a Sister's armor and licking her body all over, biting her neck and punching her adorable little chest in? Only a monster would think about her cute girlish mouth and tongue wrapped around a sharp knife slick with her saliva, pumping in and out of her mouth until it erupts, the blood more than her little throat can swallow.
The idea of viscous life fluids overflowing, dribbling down her chin over her exposed chest, her soft hands scooping it all up and forcing her suck it off her fingertips is just horrible. You're all a bunch of sick perverts, thinking of spreading her smooth slender thighs, power fist poised at the entrance to her pure, tight abdomen, and thrusting in deep as a whimper escapes her lips which are slippery with vomit, while her athletic body shudders from having her stomach ruptured in one quick stroke.
I am disgusted at how you'd get even more excited as you lean over her, listening to her quickening breath, her girlish moans and gasps while you hasten your fist, her sweet legs warm and crippled on your face and her flayed chest, shiny with a sheen of fresh blood, rising and falling, gasping rapidly.
It is truly nasty how you'd run your claws all over her body while you violate her sanctity, feeling her muscles spasm against your hands as you rip her chest, her neck and her armpits, savoring the scent of her gore and sweat while she trembles from the fear and as she reaches her death, hearing her cry out for the Corpse as she has her first spine snapped while that fist is buried impossibly deep inside her, plusing violently as an intense amount of electricity spurts forth and floods through her freshly flayed body for the first time, filling her with pain only to spill out of her with a sickening squelch. And as you smile at her bruised body, she breathlessly clings to life and her fingers dig into your arms as she feels your fist charging up inside her again. You're all sick.
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>>97976069
okay boop calm down
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>>97976055
Horrors are funny goobers of different sizes honestly. While they’re not particularly intimidating no matter what you do with them, I just really enjoy all iterations of their design.
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>>97975994
I guess I don't know, my vallejo paints are 1-2 years old and probably sat on a shelf longer than that
As for PA I was rating the blacks specifically, but the thing about PA paint is it's all very matte and matte paint is more textured. Titanium white is also more textured so PA Titainium white is quite chalky, even though it is probably the "best" white from major brands. That said I would not use Titanium white on anything except reflective surfaces
I did get the first wave of new P3s and they are quite good. Transparent and satin finish, easy to thin. They don't have the coverage of AP Fanatic but a lot of AP colors pay for that coverage by looking desaturated. My actual complaints about P3 would be the paints included in the box I got - like five different subtle yellows but just 1 purple.
Pic related is 100% the new P3 paint
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>>97976067
2 bongs 10 bings to go
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>>97976069
not gonna read all that shit
I'm happy for you tho
or sad that happened
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>>97976069
...dibs her armor and weapons. I need a boob plate set for my Red Corsair pirate wife. Also she likes watching things burn slowly.
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>>97976067
We still have about 4ish hours.
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>>97976067
It starts in about 2 hours. Going live on YouTube and twitch
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>>97976055
Because they look like shit, the previous models were contorted aberrations befitting the lord of change, the current ones discarded the good poses and made 20 years of steps backwards in terms of designs just to make them a shitty plastic kit.

Being a low tier unit is not an excuse for being a bad representation of their concept.
And the prospect of trinkets and crap tacked on has absolutely nothing to do with the execution of this concept and shows how little you see.
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>>97976006
>>97976076
>Ever shifting screaming demons
>but also
>funny goobers
Dick Ladies & Gentlmen: Warhammer.
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>An anti-tank weapon from the enemy kills my tank

I know it makes perfect sense, but it still rubs me off the wrong way somehow.
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>>97976095
GW can have both since they can have the blue goobers on one side and scary pink monsters on the other.
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>>97976101
Literally why tanks became useless without an escort in real modern warfare.
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>>97976103
It is already both
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>>97976083
>pic
That's some real good painting if that is your model.
I could chuck some pigments into a bowl of acrylic medium you'd make it work.
What white paint do you recommend if PA is not an option then?
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Does anyone here watch PlayOnTabletop's 40k in 40 minutes battle reports? They showed up in my recommended feed about a year ago and I think they do a good job editing their matches down to reasonable time sink. I don't like their use of special characters though. None of them have homebrew armies they're all official GW stuff like Ultramarines and Black Legion.
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>>97976106
>Literally why tanks became useless without an escort in real modern warfare.
Wait tanks are going obsolete now?
If true then by chance will HWT missile launchers/lascannons reflect this?
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>>97976108
No, they aren't horrific in any way other than being a badly executed concept and plastic kit.
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>>97976101
I know a guy who literally throws a shit fit every time he loses a game. He plays guard and takes 4 or 5 Russes every game and bitches that I take melta weapons.
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>>97976119
The kit doesn't reflect it, true, but in nature they are
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>>97976121
How do I prevent myself from becoming like that guard player?
>t. collecting a boatload of guard STLs. And 10k resolution resin printer arrived.
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>>97976001
Surely you mean a primaris land raider?
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>>97975876
If they port all the old Combat Patrol forces, I'm already happy. Adding a scenario generator and twist cards requires no effort on GW's side but would bring it closer to Spearhead, which was a great success after all.
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>>97976116
If a $10k explosive drone can reliably take out a $1000000+ tank it only makes sense to stop using them.
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>>97976126
you will never be a horror
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>>97976142
>it only makes sense to stop using them
Sounds like the tanks need an upgrade to not get BTFO'd by a little robot.
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>>97975876
well when they announced 11th they said one of the goals was to bridge the gap between tournament and narrative play somewhat. not that GW always follows through but..
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>careful who you call puny in 3rd edition
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>>97976121
when fielding my gorkanaut against my buddy's sisters I always make the same mistake of charging morven and her paragorn squad. usually gorky loses half his wounds before getting the charge in and never once killed more than two models. it feels really bad every time it happens but it's just so fun to do it

if your opponent doesn't celebrate every deadly demise with you regardless of who's gonna get hit, search for new players to play with
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>>97976121
Why do you keep playing with him
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>>97976127
Don't think that you winning a game proves anything. I've never talked to him about it but to me it seems like he considers himself less smart if he loses a game. Mad props for getting the 3d printer. Ive considered it but Im just to intimidated by how much I don't know about the sculpting software.
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>>97976143
Take that back
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>>97976152
One laser point defense gets better Im sure they will use it on tank designs. Ive seen some impressive anti-missile lasers coming from a German company called RhineMetal that could probably level the field.
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>>97976170
>germany starting to militarize again
>rhine metal starts innovating new tank designs
>a new era of maneuver warfare
WHAT YEAR IS IT?
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>>97976116
Modern Warfare is 90% just small squads hiding and trying not to die while Kamikaze drones kill everything
Ukraine currently looks like this, where each wire is connect to either an old or new drone that cannot be intercepted or shut down with jamming.

The US vs Iran war had the US lose billions of dollars of equipment (and the same for the US client states like Israel/UAE) because Iran threw $30k drones which, if not intercepted, blew up billion dollar equipment. That's ultimately why there's been no ground invasion and why the US has to set up a blockade - if they get too close they just die to drones and there's not a real way to counter it.

Modern warfare is rough.
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>>97976020
Your post reminded me of these
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>>97976161
He was my weed connection before Canada legalized. I also happened to have great bullshit sessions with him talking about star trek and movies. Known the guy half my life so im not going to just ditch him.
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>>97976152
realistically that won't happen. air superiority is only getting more relevant every year since the inception of the airplane. in the foreseeable future every military will be comprised of overwhelmingly cheap drones and a tiny armed ground force to actually occupy enemy territory. the cheaper it is to get stuff in the air, the less likely you will encounter anything but flying forces. eventually even battleships will be phased out since carriers will get defended by small mobile drone swarms. submarines most likely will be spared this fate since they will actually still have some use
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>>97976110
I would suggest not using white at all. If you're painting a reflection on metal, glass, gemstones etc. then it's okay. PA is good if you actually need to use white, but you just need to be ready for to be chalky textured.
The thing about off-white is that it looks white unless pure white is placed right next to it
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>>97976178
2026. I hope you youtube their tech demos. They've been pushing this new laser technology for at least the last ten years.
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>>97976181
Well that sucks. Now modern warfare is no longer cool.
I guess future wars will be just automated robots being thrown at each other until one side runs out of money.
Think GW is gonna take notes and inspiration from this and add this stuff to the guard?
I hope not.

>>97976188
>Known the guy half my life so im not going to just ditch him.
I've known some guys for a good chunk of my life and had to ditch them.
Glad you still have your bud with ya.

Anyways what's 40k like when you're high? Is it more fun?
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>>97976101
>*blocks your path*
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>>97976182
How customizable is that kit.
I'd like to add another aspect of these "over dynamic" minis is that their issue is exacerbated by the low number of models and the (lack of) leeway hobbyists have in switching parts around.

If I buy 5 boxes of 10 tactical marines, they will look similar (as they should) but they will all be different and my pattern recognition won't flare up, if I got 10 boxes of 5 possessed my pattern recognition would be constantly triggered.

But hey, the modern "wargamer" is a retard who doesn't even care about his tanks having an underside or his transports having an interior. The age of the detail freak autist is over, now is the age of the midwit normienigger.
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>>97976210
>Think GW is gonna take notes and inspiration from this and add this stuff to the guard?
it has already started. the aquilons have a drone too.
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>>97976216
It genuinely takes every fiber on my being to not go on a sidequest to buy and paint all the phoenix lords.
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>>97976229
Same
I only have baharroth but they're all so cool
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>>97976188
Understandable, even if I disagree.
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>>97976061
Yeah I'm looking around and making my autism overheat.
>main army is CSM/TS
>have the old metal Changeling, and I want to paint some Screamers too
>don't want to splurge on 2 boxes of horrors or on a Lord of Change just yet
>CSM lets me field changeling but only with horrors
>TS doesn't let me field changeling, but if I pick the dedicated detachment I can field the screamers
>shadow legion (daemons) lets me field 50% of selected CSM units, but need a lord of change to fully utilize the army rule
So I guess for a 500point game I can use the shadow legion detachment and do something shafted but fun like picrel, with raptors + stealth screamers, deepstrike possessed/melee legionaries.
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>>97976196
I don't think the Hellsing Major would be pleased about the future evolution of warfare if it is going in this kind of direction.
I'm still wondering if 700USD is a worthwhile price to pay for some parody STL models of the Lady Creed.
And maybe that female human model in the Red Corsairs box.
>>97976207
>I would suggest not using white at all
I think you're right there.
At most maybe an "off-white" is best so that highlights if I even bother to do this can be still visible.
I just know that my models will one day have to use white paint and I already ditched the idea of using yellow for my colour scheme.
I really hope someone at the Star Wars department of Disney decides to look at GW and think: "Let's hammer down warhammer" and make a proper Star Wars wargame with troops, vehicles, air, characters etc. and from that and from Disney money proper acrylic paint developments leads to idiot proof white and yellow acrylic paints.
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How come humanity did not encounter orks during the age of reconquest? Or even the age of the dark technology? Makes no sense
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>>97976210
It takes longer. A game that should only take 3 hours ends up taking 5 hours with breaks to smoke. He's a good player don't get me wrong. We have been playing together since 4th any our win rates against eachother are about 60/40 me/him. He's a cool guy to just hang out with too. Like I said hes also a big star trek fan like me so we have a lot to talk about.
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>>97976224
I guess that will count. :(
Even if it is based off an Imperial Armour FW era remote mine.
You think it got redesigned because GW is still booty blasted at what ForgeWorld does better than them in terms of design?
Minus the upside down space wolf boltgun?
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>>97976238
Does Legion not count?
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>>97976239
We did? Where did you hear that finding orks was some horrible discovery only post conquest of terra?
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>>97976224
nta but that's just a remake of the cyclops, itself a 40k goliath mine. While it is very much a drone, GW didn't take note from modern drones, they just remade an old resin kit.
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>>97976210
>I guess future wars will be just automated robots being thrown at each other until one side runs out of money.
wait a minute that's a setup for "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream"
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>>97976233
+shadow legion doesn't let me field changeling either because epic hero selection restricted to be'lakor.
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>>97976246
nta but it was redesigned because the 40k and hh design teams aren't the same most likely, plus the FW cyclops is a HH thing now and GW wants to keep both ranges separate.
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>>97976239
they.. did? it took the Emperor himself and like four primarchs to defeat the Orks on Ullanor. and in the DAOT people just gigablasted them into fungal sludge with a wink because technology was that insane.
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>>97976245
>Like I said hes also a big star trek fan like me so we have a lot to talk about
Tell him a joke about Star Trek like my dad joked about Star Trek with Sir Patrick Stewart in it.

He said that show is depressing and after asked why list all the achievements in Star Trek and utopia nature and baldness in men is still not fixed.
So maybe put a 40k spin on it and say that The Next Generation Star Trek show is more depressing than 40k because even after loads of utopian achievements men still go bald.
See how he reacts before the punch line is delivered.
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>>97976229
They’re all very cool. I hope they give us a shining spears phoenix lord in 11th. They had a custom shining spears warlord in the crucible of champions thing.
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>>97976220
There’s alternate limbs and heads but that’s all. They’re monopose like chaos cultist mob.
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>>97976210
>Think GW is gonna take notes and inspiration from this and add this stuff to the guard
Nigga Tau? Votann? They already use drones and robots.
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>>97976265
>it took the Emperor himself and like four primarchs to defeat the Orks on Ullanor.
Bad writing.
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>>97976239
They did, it's just that between the eldar empire and the human DAoT the orks we're just annoying and not a real threat
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>>97976116
Yes, much in the same way that the introduction of rifles able to defeat infantry mades infantry obsolete.
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>>97976210
>I guess future wars will be just automated robots being thrown at each other until one side runs out of money.
Future wars will always be asymetrical. WW2 wasn't even symetrical and WW1 was the last proper large symetrical war until the US got involved
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You boys ready for the ultimate meltdown soon? I can't wait for april collage to get posted
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>>97976247
I forgot about Legion.
Is it good or did it get fumbled by bad management?
>>97976256
I need to read that book at some point.
>>97976264
Okay that makes a little bit more closer to making sense.
Do you wonder how big and violent the office fights were about executives in allowing some of the models like the HH era Rhino to be a proxy in 40k?
Or Custodes being usable in both HH and 40k?
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>>97976116
>>97976142
damn, this is what dudes wearing steel plate armor must have felt like seeing guns grow more and more advanced. another end of an era of cool ways to do warfare.
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>>97976284
>Nigga Tau? Votann?
They didn't appear in my mind when I was thinking about drones.
Maybe that says something about me more than it does about the relevancy of those armies. I'm not sure which it is more or worse.
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>>97976294
>Is it good or did it get fumbled by bad management
No idea, I don't play it. I know they print in China so the kits are cheaper but worse quality compared to GW.
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Tzaangor intercessors
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>>97976297
>riding a glorious charge in plate against those damn English
>their new maxim machine gun opens fire
Those poor bastards.
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>>97976297
They were right to be honest.
All of them were right since the first ape picked up a big bone and now the rest had to evolve from fisticuffs to using rocks.
Speaking of apes are the Jokaero making a comeback at some point?
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>>97976282
Looking at the instructions (because I want to be fair), there are
>head options
>powerpack options
>one arm on each has a choice between two

Yeah this is pretty fucking abysmal and doesn't stop the minis from looking similar. Technically they are different, but 80% of the mini is gonna be identical.
Fuck I hate this shit so much. This is a possessed kit. It's THE kit to try weird things and mix stuff around.
God fucking damn.
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>>97976220
I got both modern Possessed and Cultists in the Combat Patrol box but this is literally the only reason why I accept them in my collection. If I ever wanted to run multiple units I would rather buy multiple Escher gang boxes and kitbash some Possessed myself.
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>>97976303
I'm saying if they revive Tau with new units that aren't huge mechs it's either what fans want (more auxiliary models including human ones) or DRONES.
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>>97976323
>human auxiliary
What is holding GW back from doing that?
Or at least from testing the waters through upgrade kits for the Cadians?
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Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
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>>97976289
I guess it will be like Syrian or Yemeni civil war. Where both sides are getting suplied by bigger kids on the block until one guy can't be bothered or get too busy with more important shit and his side bassicaly disolves.
With massacres drones and militias. Brave New World yaaaayyy...
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>>97976321
Just the nature of the game I guess. Gotta do reposes with surgery and green stuff. Planning on reposing some Sekhetar Robots later this year to look like they’re sprinting, going to be quite the project.
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>>97976333
If GW did that what's stopping a Tau player from fielding 90% acquisitioned human infantry and vehicles for their army?
>>97976345
>posting gay, lame "not like the other demons" cartoon characters
Please stop. This isn't /co/umbler
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>>97976343
>wanting to refresh perfection
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the 11th edish launch box unboxing in 90 minutes will be..:
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>>97976229
painting one of each aspect is better than painting all the lords
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>>97976352
>Just the nature of the game I guess

It really isn't. GW shows all the time that they are able to do excellent multipart kits, that allow a lot of poses, despite usually legs and torsos are connected. And yet, in between, you got stinkers like the cultists or the possessed.
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>>97976294
>office fights about proxying
There is no fighting, the people who decide don't give a fuck. Things like "Legends rules" only exist to appease people; it's a cheap and low effort way of keeping customers from being upset.
In practice GW doesn't care about the game, if they think a kit shouldn't be in their catalogue it will go away.

A reminder that most HH stuff was 40k stuff to begin with; Contemptors, Spartans, Tartaros termies, Land Raider Proteus, etc. All started as 40k releases. Then HH was made into a standalone game, but even so releases would be for BOTH because it's just smart and sells more, things like the leviathan dreadnought got both a HH release with custom legion dread, but also the only leviathan dread character, itself for 40k.

Then one day GW decides 40k is for primaris marines and that they want to separate the systems, allegedly to track sales better, so now your HH stuff isn't supported. Also because we need to redo the rules all the time, because novelty sells. Things go into legends because we don't want to update them, and then one day it's back from legends because we want to sell it again.

It's complex but not complicated. It's all about board/investors/shareholders bullshit and very retarded; but all you have to remember is that they're not gonna do what customers and potential customers actually want. As long as it ticks the boxes of the checklist it's rolling out the factory.
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>>97976378
disappointing and underwhelming.
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>>97976369
you tried this bait yesterday, kill yourself
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>>97976365
>If GW did that what's stopping a Tau player from fielding 90% acquisitioned human infantry and vehicles for their army?

The actual detatchment rules? Similar on how GSC were limited in their Guard selections?
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>>97976380
NTA but I've done that
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>>97976345
We call that a proxy war, and yes.

Also based HB enjoyer, waiting for helluva S3 myself
>>97976352
OP here, it's the current nature of GW's game, yes. I'd rather it not be so, I don't think the trade-off was worth the "better poses"
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>>97976369
I love Goodwin's work but these helmets are very silly in a bad way.
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I like the stikkbomb grot
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>>97976233
>>97976259
>>97975937
In two more weeks you'll be able to buy exactly what you need for a Tzeentch squad in either Shadow Legion, CSM or TS.
It will go out of stock in the first 1 minute though
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>>97976390
>everyone who says things I don’t like is the same person
>Meds immediately
>ad hominem
>I accept your concession
etc.
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>>97976398
Now make a turntable that shows each aspect one after the other, with the avatar (and lords) in the center
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I just want the biggest guns possible. What army is for me?
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>>97976412
>no somebody else totally disingenuously ignores the actual aging parts of the range and the fact that 40% of it just got axed with no replacement to go BUH BUH BUH INCUBI THO
kill yourself faggot
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>>97976411
Already released and already out of stock, obviously.
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>>97976419
imperial knights, or collegia titanica
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>>97976393
Hmmm, that would be clever. Too clever for James though. If they put Guard in Tau they'll assume Guard players will want Tau flavored Guard instead of simply Tau players want "some" Guard in their armies. Guard sell more, Tau sell less. That's all James sees. Look at how they turned Stormtroopers into Scions and made them runnable as an army all their own.
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>>97976158
Ohh, I have some haruspex claws I am using in my own OOE kitbash but its still based off the 4e fee. I actually really like how those balance with the screamer-killer body instead.
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I really need to know the new detachments and their points so I can plan the army I'm gonna build in 11th AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>97975890
yeah, but I like them A LOT
>>97975991
cause they can hold a choppa while holding a slugga, duh.
I don’t know how its going to work ingame, but purely from a model perspective it looks badass how they’re completely armed to the teeth.
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>>97976233
Facebook Marketplace, Ebay and Trolltrader, my friend.
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>>97976425
>Too clever for James though.

They did it in the past, so the concept of limiting selection for certain units is known to them.
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>>97976378
I can't stay up any longer so I'm just going to post my disgusted reaction image now and you can apply it to the awful models they show when the time comes.
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>>97976294
>fumbled by bad management.

It got 'fumbled' by the fact no one wants to play heresy, which is just human faction but spikey human or spikey marine. A 40k Epic re-do would have absolutely taken off.
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>>97976398
I meant one (1) individual model of each aspect.
Doing the whole squads is admirable but at that point you kinda need the lords too then, don't you?
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>>97976440
>A 40k Epic re-do would have absolutely taken off.
LMAO
nobody gives a fuck about 6mm wargames
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>>97976420
Doesn’t it feel unpleasant to be this upset anon? You should calm down, for your general well-being.
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>He's just a big warsmith
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>>97976440
>no mini ork gargant ever
I’m still mad
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>>97976425
They'll actually put out a "how to paint gue'vesa" guide where they take cadians, do zero kitbashing, and paint them in the colors of farsight enclaves.
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>>97976443
You can't buy them in singles
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>>97976378
Maybe the Orks will get something cool
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>>97976224
I've wanted a screw-propelled vehicle model for a long time and this felt like a monkey paw
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>>97976444
>nobody gives a fuck about 6mm wargames
>Nobody
There is still a sizable Epic Armageddon community anon.
And then there's historical.
>>97976450
The good ending if true.
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>>97976450
>There were people who thought he'd be a nurgke demon prince since "chaos undivided isn't thing anymore"
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>>97976440
>40k epic
Sorry, but we really want to milk the HH playerbase
>buy overpriced resin minis, 3k points of infantry and tanks, including a 150 bucks bigger dude
>(re)buy army in plastic, have to wait years for some basic options (been nearly half a decade since 2.0 and still don't have mkV HERESY in the HERESY game)
>then rebuy another army in 6mm for the same price, because the scale being smaller means the armies are bigger

GW really wanted to milk that. To be fair, didn't epic start as a Imp vs Imp game, hence the heresy being developed in the first place?
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>>97976369
I actually like picrel ones better, these guys heads look too big
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>>97976450
This isn't official art, right? There's a redemptor in the back.
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>>97976447
>u-umad xDD
try harder next time and don't recycle bait
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>>97976407
The helmets are actually my favorite part of the design, but they are in desperate need of a proportions tweak to fit more in-line with newer models
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>>97976469
>>97976369
I still hate that they dropped all scorpion motifs in favor of "kabalites with big swords"
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>>97976450
I mean that was the most logical demon Turbo is him with a million robotic hands.
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>>97976453
nta but I despise the shitty kitbashes of "cadian + firewarrior pad, helmet & gun". Tau human aux should have their own designs. I wonder if there are cool 3rd party minis of these since it should be pretty easy to not get hammered by GW lawyers since there isn't an existing design.
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>>97976464
Really?
what was the lore justification for Perty going to Nurgle?
>>97976472
>There's a redemptor in the back.
Some of the boltguns look a little long so they might be those primaris boltguns.
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>>97976435
>they did it in the past
James didn't get enough money from doing it. So they won't do it that way again.
>>97976453
So can you run these Farsight Cadians as part of a Tau army? That's what the discussion is about.
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>>97976378
Probably not the only thing today.
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>>97976494
No, of course not.
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>>97976476
11t edition refresh, trust, the guy has been feeling it
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>>97976450
I mean...yea that's what pretty much everybody expected him to be. Just him but more armoured and maybe even knight sized.
Pic related is one of the more known fan arts of him.
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>>97976482
>I wonder if there are cool 3rd party minis of these
Go to Etsy and type in Tau Auxiliaries.
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>>97976499
>no
So you just wanted chime in about James being a huge tease. Got it.
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>>97976508
From what I'm seeing it's still mostly cadians with t'au bits but a single step up. It's very underwhelming.
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>>97976520
Yes.
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>>97976524
what exactly were you expecting
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>>97976484
Just 'big durable guy = Nurgle'
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>>97976524
I mean if someone takes "inspiration" from Tau Guard as a concept then they're not going to create a totally original design and label it "Tau Human Auxiliary" are they? Just look up Scifi Soldiers, buy them, slap on a Tau Sept symbol and done.
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>>97976474
>xDD
I don’t know what this is trying to convey
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>>97976411
Can one of the anons who owns this box tell me if the Kairos can be built as a single headed LoC as well? Crazy value if so.
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Gentlemen... Do I have some reveals for you.
For the first time, we've created a miniature that gets bigger when you touch it.
>unzips
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Why hasn't it started yet?
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>>97976542
Imagine someone laughing so hard their eyes scrunch together. Now imagine their mouth in D and their eyes are an X. XD See grandpa? Simple.
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>>97976547
55 mins
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>>97976529
I asked for cool 3rd party minis that are not just cadians with tau bits, so the issue isn't my expectations but perhaps your own ability to understand what people are asking.

In plain English: I was expecting something that took the concept somewhere instead of lazily trying to bank on the lack of human tau aux.

There are clearly some people who are trying stuff and understand Tau design cues, pic related.
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>>97976543
That just comes down to what your club members think. One of the members of my gaming group put space marine pauldrons on and bolters in the hands of orks and called it a marine army. No one cared and we still had a lot of fun playing. Are you a tournament player or someone who has to be wysiwyg?
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>>97976545
damm didn't know 40k is going into 15mm scale
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>>97976547
7pm british time, it's 6pm in the uk.
And get ready for technical difficulties maybe.

>>97976545
should have just said mini instead of miniature, the joke would have landed better, only small kek.
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>>97976551
>find sci fi soldier minis vaguely similar to Tau armor
>slap a Tau Sept symbol on them after you build them
>profit
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>>97976508
>Etsy
NTA but I don't want to pay some Etsy store that might scam me.
I want the STLs.
>get specialstls result when searching with lens
Those STLs look nice in holding back details and being recognizable for what they are meant to be in 40k so it seems GW hammered them with a DMCA.

Is getting the hammer thrown at you by GW for making actually serviceable 40k proxy STLs a badge of honor like being skilled at a video game so your opponents call you a hacker?
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>>97976529
>>97976551
This feels like "what's 2+2 but you're not allowed to say 4."
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>>97976558
>I don't want to convert cadians
>but I'd pay for shitty semi-generic 3rd party minis
Said no self-respecting person ever
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>>97976552
It's more of a personal autism for my own army thing
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>>97976545
OK well first things first
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>>97976566
>Did anyone do something special with it
>Sure, go on etsy
>there's nothing special over there
>what were you expecting? Something special?
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>>97976290
Is this the biggest one in terms of submissions?
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>>97976548
why are there two mouths though?
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>>97976565
>hey guy who designed this Miniatures STL
>can have this thing for myself instead of you printing and selling me the minis?
You're insane. Just because 3D printers stick it to James doesn't mean they'll do it for free or even the small payment of a single STL
>>97976567
Wow, a real bonafide James Workshop bootlicker. How does ole Jamie boy's balls taste in your mouth?
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>>97976566
>This feels like "what's 2+2 but you're not allowed to say 4."
NTA but
I think you just described my mentality when it comes to asking for hobby advice. Or really other things where I need help and solutions for. I think relating to 40k it was finding close enough paints to GW paints but not buying from GW because I hate those paint pots.
How do I break free of this idiocy?
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>>97976579
They stopped laughing for a second then laughed again.
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>>97976586
>I don't want to buy 3rd party if it's garbage
>Oh so you only buy from james, huh?
Why are you such a disingenuous faggot?
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>>97976586
I should have said that I don't want to pay an etsy seller that is selling STLs made from someone else.
I think they often stick their Etsy store's logo to throw off image searches.
Those guys usually don't credit the original creators of the STLs they print.
sorry that I wasn't clear.
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>>97976598
>it's garbage
Okay who's not garbage and not Jimmy Workstop? And don't go accusing me of being King James himself you dongle.
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>>97976224
What even is this thing? What kit is it from?
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>>97976603
>selling STLs made from someone else
That someone else is usually in a legal battle with GW. Etsy is the safe place to sell for whatever reason. You're assume it isn't the original.
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>>97976611
Krieg Combat Engineers
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>>97976611
Read the thread, speedy. >>97976264
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>>97976609
Nfeyma has great vehicles, for instance and I can think of a dozen guys who I shall not name because I'm not a fucking retard and would like to keep buying from them.

Stop being a faggot, your suggestions of human tau aux were shit, just own it, it is entirely possible that nobody has really tried anything with it.
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>>97976611
Remote detonated mine, kriegers.
I'm still sad that GW merged grenadiers & engineers and just gave us not-grenadiers with shotguns (or melee & autopistols of all things)
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>>97976611
It is a remote mine, and the kit is the Krieg Combat Engineers.
I prefer the FW Krieg combat shotgun designs over the plastic Kriegers combatshotguns from a preference viewpoint.
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>>97976590
>How do I break free of this idiocy?
For specifically paints? I just grab what's locally available (army painter for me), recognize that there's half a dozen GW paints that aren't shit and are convenient enough to buy, and have a loose view on "close enough." Most of what I paint is custom subfactions though.
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>>97976626
That literally doesn't say at all what kit it's found in, you are a retard

>>97976632
>>97976633
Thank you bros, I suspected it was Krieg but I haven't kept up with their new releases
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>>97976627
>Etsy seller
Ah so I have to use my keen eye for "not garbage" on Etsy. I see my mistake now.
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>>97976590
Just buy flow improver and move the gw paint into droppers
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>>97976633
>krieg shotguns
the old one is great, but I wouldn't mind a shooter with the newshotgun.
>WW1 regiment shotgun
>make it a revolving pump action shotgun with a top folding stock
It looks kinda cool but whose idea was this?
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Blood Angels or Sisters of Battle or Chaos Knights for a 100% new player?
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>>97976635
>For specifically paints?
Oh it is more than that anon. It is also 3rd party STL makers.
I had and still do have quite the autism of wondering if my future guard minis going forward should be in the kneepad Cadian proportions or previous plastic proportions.
Most STL makers are making their copies to new proportions and Victoriaminiatures is making the switch too.
Some are still sticking to the old proportions. But I know that given more time and 40k's rising popularity that keeps growing most new arriving STL makers that want to make some spare change with their 3D sculpting skills will most likely pick the new proportions to model their guard proportions off of.
But then again I've amassed a big collection of guard STLs in the proportions resembling the previous Cadians so there's the autism dilemma for me.
I do like your paint advice.
The other mentality is Linux gayming related as I always have bugs or crashes, and I'm trying to figure out if it is the software or my hardware but I don't trust forum advice due to possible idiots and AI answers but that's /g/ stuff.
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>>97976644
I don't use etsy, I don't know why you recommended it to me.

>>97976643
I really like the new Death Riders, they are very different but remind me a lot of french cuirassiers, they are very clean
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>>97976653
Or just buy Duncan's paints. It's the same stuff.
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>>97976655
BA
>new player
>knights
How new to hobbying are you?
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>>97976665
Nyfema STL printed minis are sold on Etsy is my point. Some of us don't have a 3D printer. These greats you praise? They're on Etsy.
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>>97976672
I decided to get into it at this very moment.
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>>97976655
Definitely not knights. The entire army is a tilt list with two outcomes:
>your opponent's army isn't equipped to fight knights at all and he absolutely loses
>your opponent's army is equipped to fight knights and you absolutely lose
I'd say BA because they're easy to paint and on the cheaper side to collect.
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Slightly off-topic but any of you guys interested in the new John Blanche cardgame?
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>>97976655
>>97976676
Blood angels would be easiest. Buy the 11th edition starter box.
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>>97976676
Knights of course. Yes, you will fuck up.
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>>97976679
I thought he died and that’s why his artwork is so jerked off around here
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>>97976679
Here's something on topic: fuck you and your stupid card game.
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>>97976684
He's 77yo iirc
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>>97976679
no
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>>97976684
His artwork is jerked off because it's god tier and literally defined the look of 40k and everything you love about it.
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>>97976677
>>97976682
So just go the basic bitch way of getting a BA combat patrol and the Armageddon box?
What about Sisters? Are they also a bad choice?
Should I get that tank Battleforce while it's available?
Is there anything I should consider buying before the edition ends?

>>97976683
I saw some Chaos Knights art and it started to live rent free in my head.
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>>97976479
I feel you. Having them play the sting to the SS' claws motif was really cool and worked great for the idea that they're in a rivalry for the true path of the scorpion.
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>>97976693
Sisters aren't bad in terms of gameplay but they are harder to paint.

>>97976683
Arguably, knights are easier because they are bigger. Maybe.
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I'm bored of my army. GW never drops new kits for it and I've done the silly conversions I wanted
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>>97976693
>I saw some Chaos Knights art and it started to live rent free in my head.
Shame the models look absolutely fucking nothing like that
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>>97976698
start another army
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>>97976676
Okay, here's my tip: Get a box of blood angels and a box of sisters of battle. Then have fun with those two boxes. That's 100 bucks for 20 minis and a good lesson in what hobbying means. If you didn't like working on 20 minis you'll at least save yourself money and trouble.

TAKE YOUR TIME, there is no point in rushing.
>but I want to play now
If you have friends then they'll let you play either with proxy (make cardboard cutouts and stick them on bases or same size cardboard disks) or with one of their armies.
If they are not okay with that they are cunts and should be avoided, if their first concern isn't "how can we make this a good time for anon" but instead "What about ME? I don't want to play against lesser armies than MINE" they are faggots.
>I have no friends (to play it with)
Then you also have all the time in the world, that is good.

Favor smaller battles to start. Don't fall for the trap of "1500 / 2000 pts battles". You're beginner, if you want to swim you don't buy a boat and jump in the middle of the ocean, stick to a pool or the shore, or in your case small battles, 500 pts is already a lot of time and money. Games take time, the smaller the game the more and better you can play.

Or you can be a retard and buy 2k of knights. Have fun.
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>>97976665
>that pic
That's impressive. This guy knows how to hold back on detailing. AnvilIndustry is losing that knowledge.
I need to know who is making these STLs and check if he is making STLs for other guard stuff like obscure regiments and/or remaking OOP models into STL form.
Pretty please maybe in nintendo /3dpg/ encryption response?
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>>97976692
I don’t even like 40K though
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>>97976693
Sisters are one of the harder armies to paint.
>Is there anything I should consider buying before the edition ends?
Not really. Just get what you think is cool. Rule are temporary. Cool models are... less temporary.
Though I would caution against buying something that's going to get a new kit in the 11e starter box.
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>>97976697
>>97976676
Chaos Knights are neat(big, great for kitbashing and pesonal touch and less clean so some crudeness is easier to forgive) but it's easy to fall into pitfalls with them. (pic is you staring at the model not knowing where to start) Watch some painting tutorials.
This one is a good overview with an example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIEuVBR9bRQ
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>>97976721
Average /40kg/ poster
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>>97976693
>Is there anything I should consider buying before the edition ends?
No but you should stay away from firstborn shit. Including all the SM tread tanks.
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>>97976721
well then you'll fit right in
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>>97976709
>This guy knows how to hold back on detailing.
This is unironically one of the most absent skill in the 3rd party miniature world.
The reason is that people are not designing miniatures, they are designing character models that will be printed very small.

To answer your question they are not making what you think. All I'll say is that they achieved that level of skill and understanding in ~2 years. That means anyone dedicated and smart enough can do it.

GW models (as in 3D models) aren't actually that complex and can be "deciphered" through observation and measuring. Space marines are the epitome of that simplicity.

I've already said too much.
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>>97976693
Do you have any idea how often I beg they release a single book about them? Their design is amazing and yet they have less stories than fucking votann
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>>97976697
So Sisters are better left alone till I improve?
Are Chaos Knights a complete no go even as a second army?
>>97976700
I think those are the fallen nobles.
>>97976706
Yeah I want to start small but was thinking about Combat Patrols or maybe that Sister Battalion since apparently that Kill Team unit in that box allows you to make multiple Sister characters. I don't have friends but I went to two hobby stores and people were extremely nice and said they look forward to playing with me.
What specific single boxes are good to buy to start? Maybe jump pack dudes and retributors? Something not in the Combat Patrol.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfTSpDSQe0s

get the FUCK in here
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>>97976737
>I've already said too much.
Do you mean you've basically summed up GW's skill ceiling for their sculpts and now James is gonna send hitmen after you?
Does this mean that if I learn basics in sculpting I can probably get a job at GW as a lowly sculptor to make even worse sculpts to piss everyone here and reddit off?
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>>97976450
Why are you posting fanart here and pretending it's official? A quick reverse image search debunked you immediately
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>>97976723
I mean, are any models or boxes getting removed due to the new edition? I'm really new.
>>97976727
Thanks anon. I like the fantasy aspect of Chaos Knights. Fallen Nobles and the like. It sounds cool. I think there are a couple of players that have Knight armies in my future play group but I have no idea if they use them on a daily basis or it's just for tournaments.
>>97976738
As in a story novel? Yeah I wish I could read more about them.

Thank you all for help. You are all awesome!
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All primarch fans must die. KILL THEM if you want to save this hobby.
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>>97976763
>there will be no Steel Legion reveals in this Armageddon Themed unveiling
It hurts...
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Any 'shock' predictions?
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>>97976765
>Does this mean that if I learn basics in sculpting I can probably get a job at GW as a lowly sculptor to make even worse sculpts to piss everyone here and reddit off?
Yes anon, if you set your heart to it, you can achieve anything, even if that is just being the biggest trolling cunt in the world. Please don't.

Joke aside you can absolutely learn basics of zbrush/blender and make extra bits for your armies, start small and simple, like pouches, bling, etc.
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>>97976782
my prediction will be the sounds will be dogshit as it is tradition
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>>97976767
>A quick reverse image search debunked you immediately
NTA but I should have checked.
I've been bamboozled.
Booty blasted even.
I thought it was official and GW did something right and more than made up for the blundering of handling the IWs in just having them fight the Black Legion and not much else.
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>>97976763
Nigga it's in 10 fucking minutes
>>97976782
There will be a mk5 helmet. (I wish)
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>>97976782
I expect the new intercessor kit to get a more flexible loadout akin to tactical squads since they’re integrating the first-born aesthetic
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I like Herohammer
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>55 Lootaz
>55 Boyz
>55 Shootaz
>55 Toyz
>55 Nobz
>100 Grotz
>100 Tankbustaz
>100 Trukkz
>100 Stormboyz
>100 Deffkoptaz
>55 Kanz
>55 Dredz
>55 Flash Gitz
>55 Burnaz
>and a
>155 pt Warboss

>...c'mon what's the holdup on the preorders up there?
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>>97976783
Most I've done is resize and snip off parts of a model to replace it with a part from another model.
Have I achieved more than what the average 3D printing shill has achieved?
I haven't printed any models yet. Just in the STL hoarding stage.
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>>97976770
I can't remember what they've shown in the starter box, but they're replacing the landspeeder sculpt and the new battleline box is intercessors with new helmets.
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>>97976779
Yeah it's pretty fucking gay they announced a return to Armageddon and then showed us a bunch of new Cadians.

Also I get that every starter set NEEDS to have Space Marines in the Imperial half but would it kill them to do a mix of Marines and Guard some time? Like the Guard are holding the line and the Marine units all come with drop pods. That would be a proper and cool introduction to 40k for new players. Tourneyfags literally ruined Imperial soup despite it being narratively more fitting.
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>>97976794
I hate those knee shields on Primashit like you wouldn't believe.
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GW should hire someone who can make orks look cool and not whatever the fuck this is supposed to be
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>>97976795
>Have I achieved more than what the average 3D printing shill has achieved?
Yes
Also digital kitbashing is based, the problem of a lot of kitbashing that go beyond part swaps is the quality of the joining of the bits, so a good digital kitbash fixes that.
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>>97976763
Which is worse, youtube comments or live chat?
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>>97976463
Anon, /40kg/ posters are too retarded for Epic Armageddon. Hell, their heads would explode at the mere concept of a De Bellis style wargame.
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>>97976803
I hate nu orks so much, they're just big green dudes, they are not deformed and brutish enough.
Stop humanizing orks you faggots
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>>97976801
I liked them when Primaris were very first unveiled in 8th edition, but as time has gone on I've come around to agreeing with the grogs on this, they look kinda shit, same with the neck collar. HH Marines look so much better it's ridiculous.
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>>97976798
didn't the return to armageddon drop with a brand new character for specifically the steel legion
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>>97976803
>>97976812
Look at that tiny Ork hand
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>>97976812
40k art has gone downhill heavily over the past decade or so.
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>>97976812
blame nuartists who don't use old artwork as inspiration. the only solution? Firebomb Warhammer World.
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>>97976444
This is not true at all, a modern supported Epic done well with all 40k factions would go fucking crazy.
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>>97976816
For the Steel Legion models that don't exist?
Since the last Codex I don't even have a way to field Steel Legion infantry...I have to write down either Cadians, Kriegs or Catachans on my army list
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So why are the Blood Angels at Armageddon this time when they're supposed to be in charge of an entire half of the galaxy?
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>>97976823
Agreed, GW are actually fucking retarded for making Epic set in the HH setting.
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>>97976825
Louis isnt there
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>>97976801
>>97976813
I think the primaris knee fins can work in very specific conditions like picrel and in conjonction with the gorget for a "better protected" mkX, but outside of that it's ass.
What I cannot make work are the fake pecs and the abdomen lobster plates.
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>>97976825
>when they're supposed to be in charge of an entire half of the galaxy?
Nulore ignore
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>>97976804
When switching a sword blade with a chainsword "blade" that had been cut off the handle of the chainsword of another model I spent hours positioning it on the model.
My respect for 3D sculpting professions went up drastically when it was over.
Especially AnvilIndustry that does their "multi-shell" thing where parts can be deleted off and even taken off and used as bits.

>>97976806
>Anon, /40kg/ posters are too retarded for Epic Armageddon
I know anon.
I am one of those retards.
I can't remember rules.
Maybe I haven't trained my mind to learn rules for wargaming properly.
Maybe it is "spectrum" stuff I've been dealing with since I was a kid.
Maybe I am just retarded.
Never heard of "De Bellis style wargame" and looked it up. Looks interesting and possibly fun even.
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>>97976824
>You have to write down X and paint the models the right colour.
Oh no. How tragic. I truly cannot imagine a faction being so oppressed that they have to paint and run a 'counts as' for a minor subfaction
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>>97976822
> Firebomb Warhammer World.
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>>97976825
they got tired of constantly getting BTFO so they decided to send some Blood Angels to Armageddon in order to get some feel good victories (armageddon will fall)
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Iam hyped for the pain boy and the ork walker thingy the rest I dont care at all
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ARE YOU READY TO BE WHELMED?
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They are 10 seconds late
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>>97976803
>Armageddon
>fucking Krieger in the shot
I always frown knowing Krieg overtook Steel Legion in terms of models when they were originally Steel Legion recolors.
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The box better comes with new Combat Patrol rules.
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it's habbening
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>>97976803
>Ork head above the torso
Intolerable.
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>>97976846
>when they were originally Steel Legion recolors.
They were not, but agreed that the steel legion getting stalin'd is a crime. How will GW rape the nu steel legion? The sketches looked terrible.
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I never noticed they copied the Dawn of War Wuaaaaagh scream for the shield Captain in the trailer.
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>>97976837
>Codex Armageddon gave Steel Legion extra rules and created a whole new army set up with extra transports
>it's all gone
Yeah, fuck IG having options!
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>>97976856
guardfags are like the last faction who deserve to complain about missing shit from 3e
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>No audio issues
I'm genuinely impressed
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PLASTIK BAWKSES
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I am Nostradamus and I predict some new threads on /tg/ will be made relating to just the new model reveals.
I will be proven right.
Screencap this.
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>>97976655
>>97976676
For your first Army you want to pick something with a good range of models, that has a core of reusable models that can go into all or most of the detachments. If you think of the Detachments as circles in a venn diagram, you want as much overlap as possible for your first army.
Top 3 I'd say, are...
>Space Marines
>Chaos Space Marines
>Eldar
Sisters is a neat army, but you're going to find yourself with almost no overlap between detachments. You could build a Champions of Faith List, but you won't take your Celestian Sacresants to a Penitent Host list. You won't take all your arcoflags, repentia, and penitent engines from your Penitent list into a Bringers of the Flame list. etc. etc.
Very little overlap with Sisters.
Likewise, you want to avoid Skew Factions when you're just starting out. with Chaos Knights, you're talking like 7 or 8 models tops, around 800 USD to build it, and you literally won't use them for any other army.

If you're set on those 3, go with Blood Angels.
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10th edition cinematic trailer mogs this one hard
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>>97976854
>They were not
Do you not see this picture? >>97976779
Because this picture is the first time anyone saw a Krieger before. Guess what the base model is for skull boy.
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Will the 11th edition box sell out and stop being produced? Or go up in price?

Or can I wait and pick one up later? Like july/august?

>t. noob
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>>97976860
the audio issues are only in events outside of their studio
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>>97976841
I hope I can grab the walker for £20 on eBay. Doubt I'll want anything else from the box.
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>>97976864
Yeah this one was really cringe and uninspired
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>>97976867
Launch boxes haven't insta-sold out for a long time
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>>97976867
It'll sell out immediately if any previous launch box is to go by.
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>>97976841
>ork walker thingy
looks dumb as hell
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>>97976867
nah there have been plenty Leviathan boxes. They print this shit in massive numbers everyone who wants one, will get one
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>>97976867
Don't fall for FOMO, it's never worth it, always wait. It only benefits the company if you spend your money fast

>>97976866
>Because this picture is the first time anyone saw a Krieger before.
We saw kriegers before in artworks and sketches
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>>97976856
You are worse than the guys that want Raven Guard or Imperial Fists to have their own full range.
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>>97976859
We've been over this. Stop with crab bucket shit. Guard players build the biggest armies behind Orks and Muh-reens. They deserve some variety for the prices paid.
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>>97976864
You can tell the quality of a 40k animation by whether the marines are trashed
>dawn of war 1: marines die: kino
>dawn of war 3: marines die: kino
>10th leviathan: marines die: kino
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>>97976882
>they deserve some variety
guard get more refreshes than anyone but space marines and they STILL complain.
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>Banner nob
Yippee
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Ah so the banner guy is a character rather than a serg with a backpack banner.
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We can't see shit if it's sideways you ape
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>>97976867
It's going to be scalped. However.
If you only like space marines, or only like Orks. You'll be able to find one half of the box online, pretty readily.
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What are these fags doing? Just show the models quickly, then turn off the stream. It's not fucking complicated.
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>>97976876
Might just be because the animation was terrible. Lets wait and see
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>>97976884
Man that DoW3 cinematic was so cool
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>>97976892
maximizing ad revenue
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Holy shit GW really need to replace these two. What the fuck
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>>97976879
>We saw kriegers before in artworks and sketches
You pedantic ass. If I say "the Kriegers were a recolor of Steel Legion models originally" I shouldn't have to specify askully I meant Krieger MODELS were originally a RECOLOR of STEEL LEGION MODELS.
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>>97976892
fuck off, have some joy in your life
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>"appears to be some kind of ork medical specialist"

You mean a painboy? You mean a fucking painboy, just call it a painboy. The presenters are secondaries. KILL THEM.
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>>97976883
Yeah the starter boxes are the biggest sets they make, compared to battleforces or combat patrols.
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>>97976883
You can see which models will not get a multipart kit if they are the only model on its sprue
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Oh wow the characters are ACTUALLY ON THEIR OWN SEPERATE SPRUES instead of all sharing one so GW leaves themselves unable to sell them separately, how about that
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This didn't deserve an stream
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Looks like 10 different poses on the tacticals
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>GW deleting trans flags spammed in chat
Based
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>>97976904
The only way to save this hobby is to kill millions of people. Primarch lovers. Secondaries. Shills. Are you ready to be judged?
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decalfag where r u?
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>>97976885
Again, stop being a crab. Guard players are higher in the bucket. Stop trying to pull them down to your shitty level.
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>>97976036
awesome. maybe I should get a dry ice thing.
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>>97976903
I'm not pedantic, you were just wrong
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>Crimson Fists mentioned
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>>97976920
are you a secondary?
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Crimson Fists mentioned!
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>Launch box has actual armies and not just a bunch of random models
Nice
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CRIMSON FISTS
RETVRN
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>>97976914
Shut up bitch! You're free to fuck off and go boil an egg instead of watching
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>>97976914
Gotta groom your customer base to be hyped for little things
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>>97976033
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>>97976926
Okay what was the first models with Krieg colors that you could play on tabletop? Hmmm?
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No one actually likes Crimson Fists, it's just another panic "break glass" rememberberry
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>>97976933
Shut up, decalfag
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>>97976929
>>97976932
I mean we're 100% getting Pedro mini this edition at least so yeah
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Marines Malevolent mentioned
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>Marines malevolent
Based
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>Marines Malevolent
Time for Whirlwinds
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>>97976939
I'd assume a conversion or alternate paintjob, sure, but that doesn't change that kriegers didn't start as a SL reskin.
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What, so is it a Crusade book or have they deliberately avoided using the word?
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>>97976866
>Because this picture is the first time anyone saw a Krieger before.
common myth but wrong
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>>97976938
I LOVE THEM ANON. I WOULD FUCK YOU.
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>>97976181
>he fell for the hype
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>FOMO lore book
You can't make this shit up.
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>>97976947
>>97976949
>>97976950
>Ultramar gave MM new geneseeds after The Babab War. What retards, kek.
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>>97976959
No it's just a lore book
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>>97976963
first time?
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>>97976950
>literally an intercessor but with a different helmet
What a fucking letdown
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>>97976963
FUCKING FIREBOMB WARHAMMER WORLD TO FORCE THEM TO RELEASE IT SEPERATELY
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>>97976963
Oh buddy wait until you learn about the models in this hobby
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>Push fit
I don't get why they keep doing thkd, they are literally harder than normal models to put together so you aren't making things for new players
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>>97976973
That'll be $350 sir
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>>97976963
fuck fomo but the books will be scanned a week after release, you won't miss out
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>>97976957
>>97976960
When Codex Armageddon came out what models did I buy to make Kriegers?
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>>97976966
The Marines Malevolent didn't participate in the Badab War, you fucking secondary.
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>>97976973
you've never seen the codex chapter reference images before I take it
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>>97976981
That landspeeder is so fucking ass, this is just a slightly worse storm speeder. That was the only model I was really looking forward to and it's fucking ASS
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>>97976981
NEW CALGAR CONFIRMED
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>>97976981
Speeders on Tactical Rocks now.
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>>97976981
The Character models look pretty cool
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>>97976977
It doesn't actually matter that they're harder than just using plastic glue, what matters is that GW thinks (Not without reason) that totally new players and kids find plastic cement scary.
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We card games now
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>>97976986
Take the L buddy, kriegers didn't start as a reskin of SL, you cannot change that.
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>>97976837
>minor subfaction
Its because the edition box is set ON THIER PLANET. Also Yarrick coming back is like revealing Magnus the Red while squatting Thousand Sons.
It'd be like calling the launch box "Battle for Vostroya" (feat Orks vs BA) and not refreshing the Vostroyan range, just having the only 3 guard regiments they care about in all the campaign book art etc...
its a very weird thing to do. Should have just set this edition on Kreig. Orks attack Krieg! There you go.
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>>97976990
I'm saying the Babab war proves chapters like the MM cannot be trusted with MORE geneseeds. They have the same telltale signs of the asshole chapters in The Babab War.
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>>97976981
JUST USE CLEAR FLYING STANDS
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>>97976997
better than a bubble filled flight stand that snaps if you look at it too hard
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>>97977005
There is no reason in the Imperium, you piece of shit secondary. You'll be included in this >>97976920
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>>97976997
did people really hate flight sticks that much?
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>>97976981
Man that land speeder and ork walker are a let down
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>>97976981
Fast gitz and rockitz
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>>97976264
>FW
>redesigns the old rapier and tarantula
>gives it to both Legions and Army
>GW
>turn FW design into plastic and give it to Army
>legion gets their own, legally distinct designs, because the idea of even using the same unit with different crew makes some bean counter at GW furious
I want to know who hurt James Workshop and what I need to do for them to hurt him some more.
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>>97977013
They broke every 5 seconds, and GW could never make any that didn't have casting errors ruining the transparency
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>>97977014
I like the land speeder
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My boy finally returns
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I don't care for the walker and the proportions are funky, but so far it doesn't look bad at all
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Orks part looks good.
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new wartrakk?? :O
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>>97977003
I was talking about the tabletop and models. Steel Legion had models before Kriegers and Krieg fans had to repaint and kitbash Steel Legion models. Now Krieg have it all and Steel Legion is left to suffer. Look at my first post. It's about MODELS. >>97976846
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>>97977025
sovl
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>>97977025
pretty good, but dont love these organic shapes they're going with for the metal
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>>97977025
Okay the wartrakk is actually pretty cool.
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A lot of those bigger Orks look oddly square-shaped, but the details are nice.
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gits
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>>97977021
Marines and SA have always had different rapiers
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>>97977025
The walker is shit but this looks great.
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>>97977021
>I want to know who hurt James Workshop and what I need to do for them to hurt him some more.
Chapterhouse and their obligations to shareholders
if you want to hurt them just make a better miniature range, it's becoming easier by the day
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Oh look Vanvets get literally one melee weapon
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What's the gameplay difference between fast aeldari lists and fast ork vehicle lists?
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>>97977014
I mean, idk what you expected but that looks like a regular speeder to me.
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>ork half is about 800 points
so points going up for everyone overall?
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>>97976961
ummm...th-thanks?
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Runtherd confirmed for taken out back and shot
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>>97977012
>There is no reason in the Imperium
The Imperium isn't the organization that handled the distribution of Primaris marines. That was Ultramar. Who's the secondary here?
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>>97977031
>I was talking about the tabletop and models.
You should have said so, you didn't, own it.

>>97977037
>the reason there are head options is so they can do the same body and have 2 different heads
EVERY
FUCKING
TIME
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Big torsos, thin arms
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>only 10 monopose boyz
It's over
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>>97977042
are you really surprised? The vanvet datasheet only has "vanguard veteran melee" in 10e
More freedom for kitbashing
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>>97977048
I hope so, i genuenly can't be arsed playing above 1k rn
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>>97977040
>if you want to hurt them just make a better miniature range
Duncan is already coming for them.
James' days are numbered.
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>>97977048
Inshallah
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>>97976981
>thank the emperor we have all these cadians on armageddon
can't roll my eyes hard enough
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>>97977046
They look really nice but painting them will be quite difficult.
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>>97977051
Welcome to nuGW, where we redo old stuff and everytime remove something so it's even cheaper for us to make
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>>97977037
>>97977046
i think they really nailed the expressions on the ork models this time around
they look propa angry and fighty
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Like the chunky shootas
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everyone post "bomb warhammer world" in the youtube stream chat
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>>97977054
>You should have said so
>I always frown knowing Krieg overtook Steel Legion in terms of models when they were originally Steel Legion recolors
>in terms of models
>models
I did you just can't read, dumbass.
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SHOW ME SPACE MARINES NO ONE CARES ABOUT ORKS
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for krumping da ork known as da boss, we's giving you the title of big boss
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>predators are dead for loyalists
Fuck
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>>97977056
If they're anything like the Skaventide set, there's several options for halves/components that let you have more than just 2 identical sets of 10 models.
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>ork lieutenant
Good but should just be part of the Boss profile like old times
Looks good at least
>>
>>
>Guard quotes memorable
>Space Marine quotes memorable
>Eldar quotes memorable
>Chaos quotes memorable
>Ork quotes memorable
>Sisters, Dark Eldar, and Tau quotes unmemorable
Why?
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that waaagh banner model looks amazing
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>>97977073
>OMG IT'S THE SAME SPACE MARINE MODEL WE'VE GOTTEN FOR 10 YEARS BUT THIS TIME HIS LEFT LEG IS ON THE TACTICAL ROCK
>VGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH JAMES PLEASE I'LL PAY ANY AMOUNT JUST PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET ME HAVE HIM!!!!
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>CCG route for minis
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>>97977080
Might be best model in set desu
not like bar is high
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>>97977082
because people barely played them
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Orks def an upgrade over the last lot
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>>97977076
What?? Where did they say that
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>>97977076
I swear if they take my Chaos Preds and Vindicator I am going to Nottingham to shit in their mailbox
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Weren't we gonna get new meganobz and nobz?
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>>97977082
Those are the NPC factions you see
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>>97977038
They had the same carriage. Now SA has that carriage and Legions had their own "space marine rapier" the say way SA couldn't be given rhinos or predators, they had to have their legally distinct but mechanically identical auroxes and carnodons.
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I like that painboy grot
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>>97977082
BEHOLD, THE IMMOLATOR has been stuck in my head for nearly 20 years.
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>>97977092
That's not a very high bar
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>>97977096
Maybe later? Launch boxes don't replace EVERYthing
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>>97977096
Not this box.
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>>97977071
Here's a little lesson in language: what you did, and are not aware of, is combine two sentences through the word "when".
You saying "in terms of models" in the first sentence does not in any case affect the phrase "they were originally steel legion recolors".

So no, I can in fact read, the problem is that you cannot speak properly, as in communicate effectively what you have in your head through words.
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Why are they explaining everything as if the audience is newfags??? Newfags don't watch streams. Newfags aren't even human beings.
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That grot orderly is sick, silly but also menacing, perfect Orks vibe
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>>97977099
where's the grot
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>>97977046
>>97977092
It's interesting to recognize how the proportions of Orks changed in just a handful of years.
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>>97977099
I'll miss this guy
I like models that look like they clearly love their jobs (he wasn't even that old?)
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I like little expendable ability models like that, and the Sororitas Cherubim, Chaos Sorcerer familiar, etc.
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The weird boy still sucks
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>>97977082
>Guard
Relatable
>Muhreens
Cool deep voices and helmet modulation
>Eldar
Sound like they're speaking through a crystal megaphone
>Orks
Relatable
>Sisters
Generic angry religious women
>DEldar
Evil assholes from cartoons
>Tau
Random assortment of Chinese proverbs and stupidly simple observations.
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>>97977099
Reminds me of the dentist I had as a teen.
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>>97977108
So that when the recording is uploaded to YT, newfags posting "How to start warhammer" will find this video and be informed.
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What's more dangerous, a Vindicate Assassin or a Starcraft Ghost?
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>>97977021
>>97977100
I do like marines getting their own design but the new armor mark just so they don't have to make separate crew for each mark is fucking ass, but not as ass as putting 2 in the same box.
>>
>>
I love banners so much bros..
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The grot doctor is fucking awesome
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>>97977107
I guess I'll type "in terms of models" at the end of every sentence next time. Hopefully you'll get it. :^)
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Because you didn't play them enough
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>>97977125
Looks good
The smaller hands don't stick out as hard in this
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>>97977122
By themselves? Vindicare by a mile. With the support of all of their utility and roles? Ghosts.
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>>97977123
>but the new armor mark
Its not a new mark, its reinforced MK VI
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So are they just giving melee weapons blast now instead of having variation attacks for melee weapons?
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>>97977125
why does every cunting model need to be standing on a rock these days
what If I want him fighting on a ship?
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>>97977125
His head seems a little small
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>>97977130
Well yes, that was the issue, you saying they were first a reskin but actually meaning "the first model was a reskin", so please do specify, you little faggot.
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>>97977125
Body too wide
Arms too short/thin
Head too small
Only miss so far for the orks
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>>97977140
Cut off the rock and make him stand on a chunk of metal or a dead guardsman
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>>97977140
Then get your fucken knife out and have him standing on something else
Fuck I'm sick of the rock autism
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>>97977122
Ghosts are psykers on top of being assassins. Starcraft Terran weapons are also generally much more powerful than IoM weapons.
>>
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Dang, I recognize that old wartrakk from the studio armies in WD battle reports. That's pretty neat seeing it on video.
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>Reject modernity
>embrace tradishun
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>>97977153
>dakkarig
not great, not terrible
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>>97977137
it's not mk6, it's imperial pattern.
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I love how every single ork vehicle seems to work just by the will force of the collective greenskinz race rather than actual engine work.
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broooo can I see some space marines?
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>>97977156
hmm I think I like the old wartrakk
less is more sometimes
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>>97977153
honestly kinda meh
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Souless vs soul
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Orks look nice and the marines look bland and boring. Orks won.
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>>97977123
>I do like marines getting their own design
You're one of those people who paints their knights and titans to match their chapter colours and markings, don't you?
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>>97977149
I HATE ROCKS
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>>97977153
Should have gotten teeth/buzzsaws and be a mekkasquig
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>>97977145
>mention "as models" in the sentence
>you didn't mention as models TWICE
>REEEEEE
Kek.
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>>97977115
oh shit he's doing the chaos bad guy pose
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Killakanz>New monstrosity
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>>97977161
That's not the case, read the 3rd ed ork codex alongside the Mike Brooks ork short stories. There is no gestalt field. It's AdMech cope for ork meks being smarter than techpriests.
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>points out how the explosive fuel tanks are visible from the rear of the dakkarig
TOO BAD WE NO LONGER HAVE VEHICLE FACINGS LOL, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN FUN AND GAME-Y OH WELL
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That new ork walker sucks ass.
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So they're going back to Goffs as the baseline instead of the horrible Yellowmoons? Thank fuck
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>>97977171
If I ever get knights I'd get different knights and make them unique characters. I'd start with a tiny knight
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>Marines time
YAWN, guess fun time is over.
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WE WUZ VAMPIRES N SHIT
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ok the psyker with the staff looks cool
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When are we getting to the Marines factory
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>>97977183
there is a way to fix this. Firebomb Warhammer World. They'll switch back to facings very quickly.
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ERADICATOR Squad (with heavy bolters)
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The Minotaurs are the most based chapter btw.
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>Niggancient
>>
This is fucking dogshit compared to Leviathan.
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>>97977153
Stinks, would much, MUCH rather have had an updated Deff Dread
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Marines are souless.
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>>97977199
Devastators remain pure
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>>97977198
or
homebrew 3rd/4th/5th ed rules for new miniatures
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Strangely, the chunkiness of the Land Speeder works for me. It reminds me of Thunderbird 2.
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>Anti grav plates on the land speeder
>Those fucking helmets
NOOO
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/dmmfaihb/warhammer-40000-armageddon-unboxing-the-orks/

all the Orkz
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>Eradicators
>With heavy bolters
>Not even bother make up some cool name like Bolt Cannons
>Just heavy bolters
You gotta be shitting me.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/kunoahk1/warhammer-40000-armageddon-unboxing-the-space-marines/

The marine page, it will go live soon.
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>>97977193
This is so ass.
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>>97977213
>mfw I see a tactical rock
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>>97977189
>armiger
>the suit that's given to bastards and losers of lesser blood
Lol, lmao
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>Space Marines
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>>97977209
Not good enough. Force GW to switch back to those older editions. Violence is the answer.
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>>97977218
Why?
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Bolt rifle scopes GONE
Honestly they look like of lanky without them
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Is that sergeant supposed to look like a woman? Protest from the sculptors?
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>>97977213
sovl
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>Tranny heads
Huh?
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So the librarian is just picrel mixed with the current primaris librarian?
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>>97977215
Holy redundant unit.
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>Pauldrons attached to the arms
RED ALERT
RED ALERT
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mismatched shoulderpads >:(
>>
>>
My Jump Chaplain is far superior.
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>>97976950
I will now buy your box gw
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>>97977222
There is a knight kit using the armiger body, yes.
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those aint heavy bolters where are the ammo backpacks?
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>>97977227
No Termie decals, shit variety of numbers, very limited company markings if any. It's inferior compared with previous edition starter set decals.
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>>97977232
>Orkgolians are back
I thought they were gone forever after that White Scars refresh.
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>>97977247
They only have a sustained fire time of 6 seconds from the drum mag.
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>>97977247
Extra boxes on the back
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>>97977210
why is GW so in love with that shitty modern heavy rotator cannon design instead of their goated Kheres Assault Cannon, or endless stubbers everywhere
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>>97977243
Nice mk7-gravis helmet, but HOLY SHIT THOSE SHIELDS ARE TERRIBLE
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>>97977248
>no termie decals
almost like there are no termies in the box
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>>97977243
>Eradicators with bolters
That's just aggressors...
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>>97977243
how BORING
>>
are those eradicators first borns? they look so squished
>>
>>97977255
Is there?
>>
So who won the box orks or marines?
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>>97977261
retard
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>Heavy Weapon marines hitting on 2s
Oh so finally the Heavy 'bonus' ISN'T accounted for in the base hit profile
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Despite my best efforts I still wasnt able to finish this guy. I still have to highlight the skin and claws and finish up the bioluminescence, but hes getting close. I do love how those sacks turned out.

Didnt know there was a stream today I was busy painting, anything cool I missed?
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>>97977257
If they aren't separate pieces, they don't look too hard to cut off.
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Arent agressors already the anti infantry gravis option? These are just bloat.
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>>97977265
Orks
how is this even a contest?
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>>97977244
Taiwan numbah one and a real country
Tiananmen Square Massacre
Free Hong Kong
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>>97977274
Bloated is the primaris marine range MO unless they start squatting a lot of their units in 11th ed
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>>97977264
Yeah I saw the edge of one before the shot changed, the sarge's one is currently without a mag
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>>97977265
Oras lol marines are literally ass
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>>97977265
Some of the marine stuff is nice but they are intentionally bland, Orks are the stars of the set by a huge margin.
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I'm starting my first army, and was torn between Space Marines or Chaos Space Marines. Went with Chaos, kind of glad I did after seeing this.
Are all Primaris marines pushfit models like these, or just the starter box?
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>same dudes in a slightly different pose + tactical rock
why do muhreenpiggies go insane for this crap
>>
Lel the vanvets look even worse as a squad
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>>97977265
Orks, marines didn't even try
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>>97977286
oinkoinkoinkoink
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>>97977286
>same dudes
don't participate in this hobby if you're this blind
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>>97977265
Considering it should've been a Steel Legion refresh I have to say Muhreens.
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I like the banner
>>
WE WUZ BLOOD ANGELS AN SHEEEEIT
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>black tranny ancient
LMAO
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>>97977286
Normal people don't have your stupid autistic hatred of rocks

Fuck what are you people like when you go outside and there's just rocks everywhere
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>>97977294
If it wasn't for the belly cloth it'd be a top tier marine model.
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>>97977274
You think just because a unit is Primaris it won't be subjected to redundancy?
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>>97977293
>NOOO MY GLUPP SHITTO REGIMENT DESERVES 10000 UNIQUE MODELS!!!!!!!!!
holy shit kill yourself, secondary
>>
>orks given a nice blank banner that allows you to use transfers/freehand to personalize it
>SM are stuck with a shitty sculpted Armageddon banner
Space marines lose as easily as they breathe
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>>97977298
My first thought kek
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>>97977286
Muhrene fags have been slobbering over worse models with fewer options for nearly ten years now
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Dynamic posing should be minimal and understated and look cohesive, like in Horus heresy.

Tactical rocks should only be for main characters and display pieces
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>>97977294
Female head again.
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>>97977294
This looks like shit
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>>97977304
>Steel legion
>Glup Shitton
Neck yourself, newtroon
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>>97977311
Nah def looks like a man from the side, has a man's gray-sided hair
>>
tactical rocks for all models
new primaris marines made entirely out of rocks
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>>97977294
>Armageddin is sculpted on
Are you serious?
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>GW forgot heavy intercessors exist
>>
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>>97977301
lol, are you gonna cry after Warhammer World gets bombed?
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>>97977304
>GLUPP SHITTO REGIMENT
>had its own sculpts and rules since 3rd
>calling anyone else a secondary
Go back newfag
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>>97977315
you do not belong in this hobby, historical reject NPC
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>>97977286
I'm actually starting a marine army for the first time since mybold army in 6th-8th, so a lot of the boring and generic complaints don't count to me
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>>97977294
>2 stealth female heads
Female marines are inevitable lads.
>>
An even better tactical rock...
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>>97977318
5 seconds of work to fill that in, hobbylet
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>>97977311
You must know some ugly women
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>>97977235
new librarian looks like they prompted an AI to make your pic into a primaris mini
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>>97977294
>>97977243
>>97977321
Did the BA lose their geneseed making them mostly pale and blonde haired? or is it Armageddon causing mutations like those 2 white salamanders in the old 3rd ed armageddon book?
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>>97977332
COMBINED/MATCHING tactical rock
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>>97976981
>old ork vehicles mog all the new slop
>all vanguard veterans are just ad generic and plain
>nu-landspeeder with tactical rock and fart smoke
>the new "tacticals" are LITERALLY just the same primaris armor but with a few added nu-mk7 helmets
LMFAO
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>>97977336
You know it.
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>>97977301
>go outside
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Feels good, dok.
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>>97977329
Other way around, GW intended them to be female years ago when they started work on these but the culture shifted too hard before release and they've walked it back, female marines becomes LESS likely day by day, especially after the fiasco with the female Custodes
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>>97977344
star of the show, really
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>>97977344
Tank is sus
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>>97977294
Hideous.
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>>97977338
These are just generic models painted as BAngels, anon
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>>97977325
And ywnbaw, faggot
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I dont think I will buy this box. I will wait until the single releases and buy what I want, The content of the box is just meh
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Im not memeing when I say a jump lt would be way more appreciated than any character presented here outside the chaplain
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>>97977329
What the fuck are you talking about
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>>97977344
>Grot Orderly
KINO
I
N
O
I must turn him into a painboy
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>>97977354
aww is the nomodels gonna cry?
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>>97977337
>implying
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>>97977304
>WE'RE BRINGING BACK THE GUY IN CHARGE OF THE GLUPP SHITTO REGIMENT
>AND WE'RE SETTING/NAMING THE BOX ON THE GLUPP SHITTO PLANET!
>>
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Captain actually looks cool
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>>97977193
Crimson Fists fans(all three of them) cheering and popping the champagne over being remembered.
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>>97977368
Well at least the captain is cool.
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>>97977367
>*no models for the glupp shitto regiment will be released because literally no one cares about them
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>>97977368
The only not shit space marine model from the set
>>
>tactical rocks fucking everywhere

but why
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>>97977375
No, they will release them
and all the fags clamouring for them will not buy them and come up with excuses like "they changed their eyes" just like they did with krieg
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>>97977368
OH MY GOD IS THAT A TACTICAL ROCK?
AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII SAVE ME EMPEROR, I'M GOING INSANE!!!
WHAT IF I WANT TO USE HIM IN A SPACE SHIP THIS IS LITERALLY THE WORST THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO ME
>>
>>97977368
I know it's not actually meant to be a crucifix in-setting but having a giant ass fucking cross on his shield is so based, Christbros we won
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>>97977381
because they're not weird retards who get angry when they see rocks
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>>97977375
if thats the case then don't bring back Yarrick and dont call the fucking box Armageddon.
Cadia is glued back together through magic and the fight takes place there.
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>>97977375
So why did Yarrick come back? Why Armageddon? GW brought bacl Glup Shitto planet and Glup Shitto character but not the reason those things are famous in the fandom? Which is it?
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>>97977381
Please understand we need that dinamic poses and rocks help with that... Smoke is another option lol
>>
Brother Tinnitus can finally rest
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>>97977386
SIR WE'RE BEING BOARDED
QUICK SCATTER THE TACTICAL ROCKS OR OUR JUMP PACK GUYS WONT HAVE ANYTHING TO JUMP OFF
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>>97977386
This but unironically
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>>97977393
my honest reaction
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>>97977393
The pilots look weird
>>
When orks will stop being jobbers?
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>>97977393
Has there been any other case of a multi-melta being made sideways like that?
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>>97977243
Why do we have heavy intercessors AND these?
>MkVII gravis helmet
I can understand primaris using old helmets taken from old marks, but that's just a gravis helmet they made to look like an older mark helmet, because I bet someone was told to add helmet variety and nostalgia bait, but also keep true to the design cues of the gravis armour.
>>
>remember mkVII guys
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>>97977393
There is nothing wrong with clear plastic stands for flyers. Why did they have to reinvent the wheel?
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>>97977393
WHAT
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>>97977393
I hate that giant rock.
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>>97977404
>There is nothing wrong with clear plastic stands for flyers.
except them snapping with a light breeze
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>>97977393
those helmets are terrible.
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>>97977402
>Why do we have heavy intercessors AND these?
You only get one heavy bolter per 5 heavy intercessors, the the entire squad can take heavy bolters here
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>>97977393
What is that flight stand. Terrible.
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>>97977393
Doesnt that feel like its gonna snap off way too easily being so topheavy?
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>>97977393
Not as bad as I thought but not as good as I hoped.
>>97977401
I think heavy flamers did that, but not meltas. Twin meltas are doing things to me
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>>97977368
>CAPTAIN WITH RELIC SHIELD
>...again
>just a bladeguard vet except with a knife, actually
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>>97977393
Where is the guy that swore that they were going to be the same size as the old ones
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>>97977404
because the illusion is better with rocks lol
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>>97977393
>flyer used to have a plate protecting the pilot and the heavy bolter protected the gunner by being as tall as his head
>new design a lucky canon or sniper weapon can now headshot both pilot and gunner easily
Kek
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>>97977392
>>97977393
>tactical fart
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>>97977394
CAPTAIN GEOLOGIS, I'M AFRAID THE TACTICAL ROCK STORES HAVE BEEN DEPLETED....
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>>97977393
>everybody crying so hard that they had to point out there's an option to build it without the rock
lmao you whiny faggots are insufferable
>>
Land Speeder as big center piece model is just so underwhelming
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>>97977413
>NUUUUUUU I NEED NEW HECKING STUFF ALL THE TIMEEEEE
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>>97977415
what if you are fighting on a location without rocks though
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>>97977416
Primaris design lol
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>>97977392
>movement somehow going in 5 directions
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>>97977421
They all have the option to be built without rocks...fucking glue them onto something else...
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>>97977416
It's compensated by both guy actually wearing helmets now
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>>97977423
Good, fuck center piece models as a concept
>>
Dogshit helms aside, I love the Land Speeder and I wish CSM had some sort of equivalent.
There are proto Land Speeders in 30k so not like there's a reasons they couldn't have them lorewise.
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>>97977393

Looks like a third party Ghamak-tier proxy
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/kunoahk1/warhammer-40000-armageddon-unboxing-the-space-marines/

all marine models
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>>97977423
Tru i guess we really lost to a bunch of greenskinz because this is really underwhelming
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>>97977401
Contemptor dreadnoughts come to mind, otherwise not really.

>>97977393
What are those things protruding from the front corners? Sensor arrays?
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>>97977425
All Marine chapters carry thousands of Mechanicus approved Tacticalus Rockoricums, as dictated by the Codex Astartes
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Maybe thats why they are all fighting over armageddon
its the planet with the highest quality tactical rocks
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>>97977416
It's just nostalgia bait 2e speeder.
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>>97977393
Sad that they got rid of the cool but annoying door rockets
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nah i'll just use my dusty ass SOVLful landspeeder
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>>97977425
No rocks no fly baby
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>>97977415
>this plume of smoke is not effected at all by the speedy hovercraft flying right over it
>such illusion!
Fuck off
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>Eradicator Squad with Heavy Bolters
You mean Heavy Intercessors?
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Damn Eddie is a really god painter.
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>>97977294
Shouldn't sanguinius' geneseed make him light skinned and blond...?
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>>97976942
what panic?
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>>97977451
Off to Legends the Heavy Intercessors go
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>>97977429
>the gunner is slightly safer with his helmet on
>pilot has to eat shit with the gunner if they're shot at by something that can pierce their helmets
I always assumed the plate protecting the pilot on the Landspeeder was thicker than a helmet, hence why is protected a guy already wearing a helmet.
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>>97977451
Devastators were already just Tacs with heavy weapons, so...
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>>97977441
They look better in blue
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>>97977453
Good*
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>>97977367
>>97977375
>glupp shitto
Star wars gaining a twittershitter audience and normalfags that flood anything that gets attention are a plague upon humanity.
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Looks as trashy as it does on Eldar
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>>97977441
Pedro is def getting a refresh this edition
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>>97977441
Are we getting a new intercessor box or is that EtB starter set intercessors?
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>The Squigtown Scrappers
>Allowing the host to show off hisguys instead of making them goffs/evilsuns/badmoons/whatever
there's still a scrap of soul trapped in there
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>>97977472
How many characters do they even have left to Primarise besides him
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WHERE'S THE TERRAIN
WHERE'S THE OBJECTIVE TEMPLATES
WHERE'S THE DICE
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Top 5 models
>Painboy
>Big Boss
>Captain
>Grots
>Banner Nob
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>>97977393
>tactical rock and smoke
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>>97977474
Ah yes, the corpo spawned & filtered "soul"
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>>97977441
Captain might be the only decent model on the marine side of things
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>>97977161
You say that, however, isn't some kind of squig juice their main fuel for all their vehicles? That and their engine work may seem haphazardly made, but to me it's more like the Mekboyz know how to built a v8 engine in the 31st millenium onwards while everybody else can't do something like that.
No STC's required, just hardwired [ancient krork knowledge] ork brain juice that makes an Evil Sunz Mekboy build a Toyota pickup truck engine.
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>>97977393
Eldar falcon outsurvive two landspeeders lmao
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>>97977451
One heavy bolters, the other has heavy bolt rifles with the option to take a heavy bolter
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>>97977441
>both fists are red, not just one
They fucked up.
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>>97977477
>>Grots
so was it just 5 sculpts repeating twice for 10 grots? I missed that part
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>>97977475
Chronus, Telion, Gabriel Seth, Ezekiel, Sammael, Cassius. At the top of my head
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>>97977477
Replace Captain with Weird boy and we can seal the deal.
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>>97977481
>/myugys/ pure sovl love of the art
>/theirguys/ corpo bandering slop
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>tactical smoke
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Oh I guess Boyz are losing their heavy weapon options? No more big shoota or launcha?
I don't see them in any pics
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>>97977472
Crimson Fists and Blood Ravens will get small release like many factions just did
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>>97977488
veterans paint both hands red
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>Collecting Sisters because I like making them, barely play
>Learn that if you want to play, you need very specific lists to work
All I've got are 20 battle sisters, 10 seraphim, a palatine, a jump pack cannoness, a cannoness, 10 arco-flags, 3 paragon warsuits, and a castigator.
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>>97977481
as I said just a mere scrap after all
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I really really really like the new Ork Boyz
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>>97977488
nigga only the sgt, ancient and captain have two red fists which is the marking of veterans
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>>97976981
Land raider and terminators still mogs everything in the pic in terms of aesthetic.
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>>97977488
CF having both hands painted red represents that they are veterans or otherwise similarly honored.
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It's fucking shite lmao
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Easily one of the best models of the set, such a good canvas for making a warboss conversion with it, nice simple pose, bare arms that you can make armour for, easily convertible weapon and banner.
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>>97977488
No they did it right, the only ones with both hands red are the sergeant, ancient and captain.
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>>97977502
>you need very specific lists to work
Not really, just play with friends or chill lads who don't minmax meta netlists
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JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP
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Why did they remake intercessors instead of tacs?
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>>97977502
Just wait for the new edition.
Word on the street is that Exorcists are going to be the new hot shit.
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>>97977498
they all just have shootas and sluggas now
no more faffing around
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>>97977481
can we see /yourdudes/?
You do have your own... right?
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>blue on red looks good
no it doesnt its biting and weird to the eyes
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>Crusade is gone
>Combat Patrol is gone
God help me, I'm sticking with 10th after all. Perhaps there is a way to make it salvageable once GW stops supporting it.
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Pure grot soul.
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did they announce a release date?
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>>97977495
Unironically yes
>>97977499
>BR
I'd love if they did a BR upgrade sprue.
>>97977503
a tiny morcel, a speck, an idea, a shimmering and passing thought
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>>97977487
One is dudes in gravis armour armed with heavy bolt weapons, the other dudes in gravis armour armed with heavy bolt weapons.
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>>97977519
god I fucking love the exorcist
design is PEAK 40k
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>>97977518
Firstborn is moved to legends with this edition. Mk7 will be remade for HH since they are entering the Scouring era.
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>>97977513
He actually has an ork face, which is refreshing

>>97977526
that was already announced and it's like June 26 I believe
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>>97977524
>Crusade is gone
>Combat Patrol is gone
retard
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ere we go
>>97977536
>>97977536
>>97977536
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>>97977523
It just does ok? Stop being a chud.
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>>97977500
>>97977506
>>97977511
>>97977514
>veterans
>force them all to wear Primaris armor
>not in their classic Mark VII pattern
Lame.
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>>97977532
Okay but why did Cawl and Guilliman decide the tactical squad should be holocausted?
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What the fuck is even the point of the new Eradicator Squad when Heavy Intercessors already did the same thing with the same loadout of Gravis Armor & Heavy Bolters?
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>>97977542
>retard gets outed as a secondary
>jumps to something new to cry about
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>>97977542
To be fair these are likely new crimson fists, so this is good news as this means the chapter is rising in numbers
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>>97977546
Same reason for Devastators to exist when Tacs can already bring heavy weapons
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>>97977547
>he wants veteran Marines in Primaris armor
Gross.
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>>97976963
>40kg: fuck fucking lore sucks nulore garbage fuck fuck I wipe my ass with it
>also 40kg: fuck fomo lore book fuck how am I suppose to get it fuck I have to buy the starter fuck fucking not fair fuck
fuck you guys
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>>97977551
Yeah but it's just one guy in a squad of 10, all heavy intercessors already carry the 5str dmg2 Heavy Bolters.
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>>97977545
Lore doesn't matter. It's barely a background for pushing new toys, like Transformers.
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>>97977243
How is this any different from heavy intercessors?
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>>97977525
why are their ears so small?
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>>97975932
this test is retarded, black house paint from home depot would obliterate all of these and no one is retarded enough to use that for modeling. also this pick is before vallejo died due to corpo acquisition and AP came out with its new very good range.
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>>97976006
these sculpts are so good.
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>>97977322
By who? You can't even order your 20 nuggets from the female cashier without fumbling your order
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>>97977294
Better than the lsst one at least
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>>97977400
>why isn't disco inferno beating hulk hogan every night
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>>97977322
Ooohh watch out we gotta an Internet tough guy over here
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>>97977602
replicating your small dick
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>>97977513
That face looks like dogshit.
What the fuck were they thinking with that lower lip?
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>>97977702
Representation matters.
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>>97977527
Cyrus HQ
Blood Ravens Upgrade Sprue
Combat Patrol box
Detachment
and it's done
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>>97977424
If they didn't have ideas for new space marines, they should have used a different army.
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>>97977528
Heavy bolters and heavy bolt rifles have different stat lines you disingenuous fuck
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>>97977502
>Learn that if you want to play, you need very specific lists to work
Who did you learn that from? They lied.
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>>97977513
Bonner stylebork head. If only they all looked like that.
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>>97977513
AND he has a fucking LONG SNOUT like the old old ork art

>>97977774
yes
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>>97977344
Am I the only one extremely disappointed by the lack of a big syringe klaw? What the hell were they thinking?
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>>97977005
NTA but it's not the fucking Babab War, it's the BADAB War. Also the Badab War isn't some lone case, chapters go renegade regularly, it's a known issue with astartes chapters. But there's no reason why in the DESPERATE situation the Imperium is in that the Torchbearer fleets wouldn't give primaris shit to the Marines Malevolent when they are still a chapter and therefore still crucial to the defense of the Imperium, if anything excluding them makes them more likely to go renegade due to being left out and unreinforced. Also, the Marines Malevolent have shown no signs of disloyalty to the Imperium or of going renegade, they're just massive assholes who teamkill. But so are the Star Phantoms, Minotaurs, even the Iron Hands and their successors do this shit. This is a setting where "innocence proves nothing" is an imperial proverb. Nobody high up in the system cares about collateral damage, chapters like the salamanders are the exception to the rule.
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>>97977745
fucking hardly its 6 more range and 1 extra shot oh and ofc the sus 1 keyword BIG FUCKING difference
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>>97977381
to make you seeth, fat boy
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>>97977404
aside from them being hideous?
I'll take the shittest attempt at the illusion instead of giving the fuck up like the clear stands do
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>>97975927
They’re in Gladius and surprisingly pretty good at mogging all vehicles
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>>97976006
These are my favourite models of all time and I want a whole big blob unit of them, but they're impossible to fucking buy for a good price these days since tzeentch has always been so niche. Barely any out there in the community getting sold second hand



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