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Rate these two faggots today after the unboxing, I think today both were tolerable and that's not usual.
>rules updates are basically the bare minimum>boxset is complete garbage>no rules people wanted fixed are actually fixedwho is 11th edition for? there is literally nothing to get excited for, it's the most bland thing imaginable so far
Decisive ork victory
>"We are about to deploy on this wor...">"WE MUST GO BACK, BROTHER. PILOT, RETURN TO THE STRIKE CRUISER".>"What is the God Emperor's name disturbs you, brother?">"LOOK AT THE TERRAIN!"
WHERE ARE THE OBJECTIVE TEMPLATESHOW CAN YOU EVEN PLAY IF YOU ONLY HAVE THE STUPID CIRCLES AND FOR SOME REASON THINK MAKING THEM YOURSELF IS TECH HERESY?>>979775485 stars, zero technical difficulties
seeing primaris with mismatched shoulder pads and mk7 helmets is weird
Every Ork model looks good except the retarded dakka rig, but luckily Orks are all about conversions and that thing will make a good base for building a sick mega deff dred or something.Marines were underwhelming. Only really good models are the Captain and the Ancient with the helmet on. New Land Speeder hurt my soul a bit.
>Crusade squatted Seriously, wtf? Who's obsessive idea was it that "uniting the gametypes" was something that needed to be done? People complain about competitive, so let's make everything competitive. Great idea, GW
>>97977548Wouldn't know, I have these streams muted most of the time, I highly recommend it
>>97977556>5 stars, zero technical difficultiesmost amazing part of the whole thing honestlythe sound worked and the miniature cutaways happened on time
I like the new orks. They look like they'll be fun to kitbash.
Dakkarig is so bad and dumb but the rest of the Ork models were a home run.
>>97977544fpbp>>97977548The more I forget about them the better I do.>[this product] is just full to the brim with [content]>goes through [thing] at lightning speed and shows nothing exceot that [thing] contains [stuff]I hate this shit so much
marinebros... why our part of the box sucks so much?
>>97977554look at the smile on the wartrakk driverhe's thrilled
there is something off about this model and I dont know what. But it doesnt scratch my Ork itch like all the other models
>>97977571Just remove the guns and fit 20 grots in there
>>97977576pigs like you will eat up whatever slop they put in the marine trough
>>97977548Tolerable because we luckily didn't deal with any technical issues? Because both of them were as shitty corpo faggots as always.
>>97977581Only one ork on it
>>97977581it feels like a deffdred but not reallyit needs arms
>>97977554I don't like the dakkarig and the weirboy is meh, otherwise it's very good.Also the grots & boyz seem to be on the same sprue, so big implications if they don't get their own multipart>>97977555>t. likes tactical rockmidwit
>>97977576It doesn't suck if you're a new player :^)
CORE RULES ISN'T A GIANT FUCKING CINDERBLOCK OF LORE thank god
>>97977576Seems like they were more focused on improving on existing primaris models than coming up with something totally "new". This is a good starter box for someone that is just starting to play SM.
>>97977576>Mark VI parts coming back>Steel Legion nowhere to be foundYou muhreen guys did all right...
>>97977555Nah they love the rocks the jump packs dont work without them
>>97977581I will take that ork out and put some gobbos there.
>>97977576This is what happens when you put out a release box without the ULTRA-FUCKING-MARINES
>>97977581It looks stif and uninteresting, it's just an ork sitting in a walker with a gun that looks like shit.Also the guy called the red drums fuel barrels when they're clearly full of ammo
Anyone by any chance could share this book?
What does FOMO mean?
>>97977539He literally said that Crusade is gone because now you have a deck for generating campaigns and narrative play is "woven" into the core game. This is bullshit since Crusade was mostly about running an escalation campaign with upgrading and expanding your force. Combat Patrol wasn't mentioned even a single time. With Leviathan they pointed out about 20 times that armies in the launch box are Combat Patrol forces as well.
>>97977554Don't the Orks here have a far greater advantage over the marines in the box?Da Jump (nevermind the other supporting characters) ensures at least 20 Ork Boyz will be getting into combat. The marine side has 7 models that are melee focused, but not TEQ or resilient enough to withstand Ork melee. Thats ignoring the buffs the supporting characters will give them. The 'new' eradicators are scary, but any sensible deployer will plan for that. Orks also outshoot marine in the box. Intercessors will be less useful due to T5 orks. Marines only have one vehicle while the Orks have two vehicles, both of which have effective anti-vehicle/anti elite infantry capabilities.The only way I could see the marines winning in this box is if the Ork team deployed all the Boyz exposed and Marines got turn one.
>>97977607if you think about it a bullet is just fuel for a gun
Reminder to always bring your tactical rocks and tactical smoke if you gonna fly in 40k battles
>>97977610Fear Of Missing Out
>>97977600>Mark VI parts coming backIt's just two shoulder pads and some leg armor.>Steel Legion nowhere to be foundWhy the fuck were you expecting Steel Legion in a launch box?
>marine half is just nostalgiabaiting with tactical rocks everywhere and none of the soul>ork half is okay at bestworst boxset of all time?
>>97977581I took one look at this thing and thought "/tg/'s going to treat this like a Beast Snagga release"Sure enough
>>97977581Killakans>KillarigSimple as
>>97977610Fucking our mothers' orifices
>>97977624Ork half is pretty great except for the walker, which is shit.
>>97977581when it comes to ork vehicles, they've either got to be big mechas or cars/trucks or looted enemy vehiclesI just dont know what this is, looks goofy but not in a good way
>>97977611>Combat Patrol wasn't mentioned even a single time.They mentioned it when they also said that the orks were about 7-800 points
>>97977581Every other ork walker has had big choppy or drilly or cutty, why has this jusy got a couple guns on a lame pltform?It'd look sick with some big treads though, propa conversion fodder
May be unironically my favourite model from this box.
only five sculpts for a horde unit like gretchin seems weird to me
>>97977610Friends Of Marines Only
>>97977624>Okay at bestTell me you are a imperium faggot without telling me. Sorry for your loss.
>>97977624It could easily have been avoided by giving them Godwin pattern bolters
>Discover the lore behind the new Space Marines plan to reclaim ArmageddonSo it's actually the imperials invading?
Disappointing that Gretch are moving to a base-five sprueOh well, I already have a hundred of them, but we'll see if it's practical or even an option to have them in huge quantities anymore
>>97977622They could've announced [next product] at the end and have it be [Steel Legion Infantry or Ork Hunters] box set. Y'know?
>>97977611>They didn't mention Combat Patrol so it's dead!You are a retard.
>>97977636same, actually looks like its jumping.
>>97977636>generic marine #1741024vgh....
>>97977640>orkfag cant readnotice how I didnt say anything positive about the marines
>intercessors have variable chestplatesWow it only took 8 fucking years
>>97977581I can tell you why it looks off.Its to well put together. Wanna know what makes an ork vehicle look like an ork vehicle? It looks like its about to rattle itself apart at any moment.This thing? Looks to contructed, the fact its not random slabs of scrap metal together is the first big issues. The second is its to engineered, i mean fucking shocks? Who puts shocks on an ork vehicle.
>>97977638Remains to be seen if they're staying a hordeMight not be able to have more than tenThe retard-wrangler is just straight up gone though, for better or worse
Blood angels look blacker than anything I’ve ever seen from gw. I honestly like the space marine half and will pick it up if it’s like $70.
>>97977643All Calgar's idea
>>97977646They already announced Steel Legion you moron. If you paid attention you would have a lot less to complain about.
>>97977554Damn these models are cool as fuck it kinda makes me interested in orks even though I never really was.
>>97977554https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9Q8ghkIHVU
>>97977624I agreeAssault on Black Reach mogs
>>97977634They didn't mention that with Space Marines, they didn't mention profiles, they didn't mention rules. I'm more willing to assume the guy simply used combat patrol as a synonym for a small force than the actual game mode.>>97977647Yes? When they introduced Spearhead they make a big deal of pointing this out multiple times. With Leviathan they also spend like 10 minutes talking about how the launch box is also a Combat Patrol starter set on steroids. He explicitly said Crusade was scrapped since the new deck is supposed to be all you need to run a campaign.
>>97977576>>97977599>>97977600It's literally primaris 1.1, the land speeder is the only thing of interest and it's okay/10.Of course marines will get more releases along 11th, but unless they dial up the old armor parts mixing it's pretty meh.so far the armor mixing is mostly>mk7 helmets>mk6 shoulder pads>one piece leg panels>tiny variation of chest bling>StudsIt's abysmal and what I'd have expected of marines back in 2019-20They need to up the armor mixing and pronto, that means mk4-6 helmets on top of 7, mk4-7 chest plates, thigh variations, mixed powerpacks and mixing bolt rifles with bolt carbines, possibly with older patterns of boltguns.
>>97977636>Primaris space marine....but with Mk7 helm.
>>97977645>base-five sprueAt least there seems to be some option to mix parts.
>>97977562>Crusade Nobody cares
>>97977645It looks like they're just rotating legs, right arms(on two of them) and heads to get variety.... so like 50 combinations?
>>97977663hastily made drawings on a napkin due to fan backlash
>>97977615Now you'z tinkin wiz dakka>>97977636>no tactical rockI thought the technology was lost
>no thunder hammers on jump vetsGayest timeline, time to pickup some terminators then.
I DON'T UNDERSTANDMK X WAS MADE POST PRIMARIS, AND THE LORE IS THAT MK 7 HELMETS ARE OLD EQUIPMENTOLD, SO PRE-PRIMARISWHO IS OUT THERE MAKING MARK 7 PRIMARIS GRAVIS HELMETS? I DON'T FUCKING UNDERSTAND
>>97977667I like the nobz but otherwise no
>>97977658It doesn't compare
>>97977625I liked most of the Beast Snagga models actually, this is worse
>10x Intercessors>3x Heavy Intercessors>5x Assault Intercessor Veterans with Jump Packs
>>97977686Same reason why they're at Armageddon and why the Blood Angels are there despite Armageddon being on the other side of the riftHEY GUYS REMEMBER THIS PLEASE BUY MORE MODELS PLEASE REMEMBER THIS??????
GET EM LITTLE SQUIGGA
>>97977684Have we reached majority black on the unhelmeted eavy metal painted marines yet?
>>97977693SOVL>>97977695slop
>>97977679>>97977672They are just paired up anon, so no, 10 variations.The article says so.
>>97977697This is why i think Armageddon is so fucking gay. Its hard nostalgia bait.
>>97977684I still hate the tiny shields
>>97977554only complaint is no exposed brain on the weirdboy
>>97977636I on't like the helmet, the upside down U as a frown looks bad. It should be more upside down V shaped instead.
>>97977668>Yes?Yes you are a retard. Go to any Warhammer store where they will tell you they have some kind of Combat Patrol/Spearhead league. These smaller game types are now a staple of casual play for people getting into the hobby, which has been GW's intent for the past few years.
>>97977581Upstaged by the star of the nightIt's fucking BACK
>>97977695Characters look okay except for the ancient, he looks boring.
>>97977710We can fix it
>>97977714the U is more classic
>>97977554I wonder if the pushfit boyz will just become the new standard kit or if they'll make a proper box at some point
>>97977715>These smaller game types are now a staple of casual play for people getting into the hobby, which has been GW's intent for the past few years.>That's why GW forgot to mention that during the new edition revealYou are the retard here. Spearhead was only added in the current edition of AoS, so was Combat Patrol. 9e had no official rule for Combat Patrol as a game mode you imbecile.
>>97977695Disgraceful
>>97977727Starter boxes are always push fit. Multi-part kits come after.
>>97977723>3d print is the wayMaybe this is what James want us to do?
>>97977727The Boyz we saw tonight are clearly going to be the only Boyz kit sold soon, as we guessed the shitty 'new' sprue was a stopgap all along
>push-fit modelsThey fucking suck
>>97977725It's not.
>>97977695What's the difference between an eradicator and a heavy intercessor?
What if Sisters of Battle had cavalry units?
>Tau space and Fenris are half a galaxy apart>Tau can't travel very far due to shit FTL, and space wolves mostly don't leave their empire's spaceHow to justify a Tau vs Space Wolves battle?
>>97977710Assault termies always had bucklers.>>97977742Anon, ALL starterboxes are push fit nowadays. They are made for idiots who have never even held plastic glue in their hands. They aren't designed for experienced hobbyists.
I don't know why niggas complain about pushfit. Just wait and buy some the models later. Or get your knife out.
>>97977697>>97977707Yeah it's literally thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJRm0WssOE
>>97977744the very first grill face was a U you retard
>>97977759That's right, Jay.
The new jump chaplain is cool and all, but this means the current jump chaplain datasheet is going to lose all it’s war gear options
>>97977697>>97977707I do hate how hard GW always undermines the 'million worlds' premise by focusing on the same handfulI'm playing Darktide now and the characters will not fucking shut up about Cadia
>>9797773010th ed has been out for three years at this point with every faction release also including an updated combat patrol. The rules were adapted for AOS because it works so well for 40k. Just because the words "combat patrol" aren't jingled like keys in front of your mongoloid face doesn't mean GW is going to abandon an initiative that works for getting people into the hobby and actually playing the game. Have some fucking common sense.
>>97977707They should have done better. Make Intercessor full blown taticals and I will bite. Too bad they didn't.
>>97977746One eradicates, the other intercesses heavily
>>97977753>nowadaysover 20 years
>>97977737Necessity is the mother of innovation
>>97977777Jackpot
>>97977751Space wolves helping reconquer a tau controlled world
>>97977737can normal printers make tabletop quality models or do you have to use r*sin?
>>97977762Wrong, and it still looks like shit regardless.
>>97977614Literally no Starter Box has ever been balanced in the history of 40k
>>97977777
>>97977777Fuck, shouda used the get to say orks is best
>>97977751something something the warp is treacherous something something spit the wolves out near Tau space
>>97977782>wrong>b-but because I know I'm actually wrong I'll throw a cope in anywaysstop talking retard
>>97977777Surprised this didn't crash the website
>>97977751Tau have a jump gate into imperial space, so you could just have a SW force intervene in their colonization efforts. Basically the plot of Elemental Council but with SW instead of Raptors
>>97977554Kinda tempted. Might grab the half on eBay if it goes for a decent price.
>>97977682Yes, which means you are two to three years before an actual release
>>97977777blllla blllla blllla ding ding ding ding>shits out coins
>Salamanders acknowledgedHey, that's neat. This is just me huffing Hopium, but I wish this means we'll get some Salamander stuff this edition.
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it..
As someone with a pittance of marines, the Marine half seems like a good way to bolster them to a 1k list. But there's no terrain
>>97977777Holy fuck
>>97977770The rules for spearhead were made and are more akin to several other games gw has made such as city fighting and other skirmish games gw has had in the past instead of Warcry. The pitch might have been make SOMETHING like combat patrol, but that was not the case. Btw the creator of spearhead had a whole channel you can watch, he even argues on the double turn for warhammer in a separate video.
"Primaris are Kings" poster is probably killing himself at this very moment
>eradicators get blastHUH????? WHY????
>>97977813more like fart smelldar
Primaris Are Kings.
>>97977747As if horse girls aren't psychopathic enough now you want them to be rabid religious fanatical pyromaniacs too?FUND IT!
>>97977695On one hand, I'm happy we're not getting totally new units that bloat the marine line. Except the eradicators being yet another variation box because they can't just give us the options in a single box.On the other hand, it feels like so little is actually there. It's only 1 model off from Leviathan and 2 from Indomitus but it feels small. Especially given the size of games now. I really wish I liked Orks because damn they did a good job with them imo. Anyways, time to see about buying a new knight or starting the Alpha Legion loyalists I wanted.
>>97977810>WAAAAGGGGHHHH! GREEN IZ DA BEST!>General, release the green space marines.
>>97977810of course sallies are gonna get acknowledged, because they were on armageddon before, 'memby?
Imperial Fists primaris intercessors
>>97977770Utterly incorrect. I wonder if you will be back here in a few months to admit you were wrong.
>>97977747What if they keep malding that they get mares but can't go to the horse requisitions guys and say why they want stallions
Came to the conclusion that objectively speaking Guilliman is a traitor to the Imperium. It's really indefensible. He always was a perfidious wretch and now he's completely gotten away with it.
>>97977827To kill horde of Orks?
>>97977815>no terrainwhat about all the tactical rocks?
>>97977810I really like how they painted the blades of the power swords
>>97977813Hopefully not until GW can either accept flight bases are the best choice or make some not-fucking-egregious tactical flight rocks.
>"I like those rocks!"
>>97977848Always has been
>>97977853I want some armageddon l shaped walls and i shaped debris and o shaped tubes
I like orks :D
>>97977667Best 40k starter set of all time, so hardly surprising.
>>97977831Of shit yeah
>>97977850>lets make infantry even shitter than they were in 10th
>Armageddon centered campaign >have to wait a year or two to see a single Steel Legion model>when the reason people even loved Armageddon is because of Codex Armageddon>which was mainly a new Guard Regiments vs Orks bookWe live in a clown world.
>>97977846I won't have to because I'm not. In the inverse I hope you can look back on this interaction and realize how stupid you sounded.
>>97977554Compared to Leviathan, they're missing a squad.Also, the Wartrakk is a great model but feels like it'll be bad as a unit. One of those Ironstrider things where you're paying 65 dollars for a single 40 point model.
>>97977610Fighting Orky Mockery Online, Orkz got the TrollBoyz, greenskins specialized in disruption and trolling communications and causing confusion.
>>97977877maybe you should have bought more guard modelsdemand wasn't there, sorry*shits out another cadian kill team* here's your pity
>>97977810You have an upgrade sprue, two special characters and a dedicated flamer unit. What more do you want?
So you gonna buy it or what?
>>97977727Might get a repackage with an upgrade sprue like the termagants. No rokkit launchas or big shootas is pretty balls.
>>97977883They should've brought back Blackreach or Rynn's World
>>97977848It is known.
>>97977893Already did. Twice.
>>97977893god no, are you stupid?
>>97977893Maybe I will take the characters from my friend. I know that sucker will buy 2 box.
>>97977893No, I don't play either of those armies.
>>97977881>One of those Ironstrider things where you're paying 65 dollars for a single 40 point model.Thank god like all of the big stuff in the starter boxes nobody is ever goin got buy it alone
>>97977893I will buy the starter box instead of the launch box so I will have all the models but not the land speeder and the killarig which I both hate
>>97977893https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrne2-gOoqU
>>97977893Nah, I play dread mob and im not interested in the stuff herenew boyz is nice though
>>97977909Don't starter boxes also lack some of the characters?
>>97977893If someone sells the Ork half for like 70 quid.
>>97977890Veteran unit, terminators and a better upgrade sprue.
>>97977581A little too utilitarian. Like you need to cut plasticard into "scrap metal" glyphs and sculls and glue it to the sides.
>>97977813They couldn't even release a battalion box of non-sellers right.Which is a pity I hope they'll try for a reissue that actually has everything in it.
>>97977820Every primaris vs firstborn argument is and always has been evidence that firstborn marines just needed an upscaling in better proportions. And there's been a lot of evidence provided by all of you.But really the biggest thing that marine armor autists have given is a nice "gotcha" every time they shit on guard fans for being critical of model detail called "rivet counting.">>97977777I need this power.
>>97977909The starter box will be intercessors and that’s it
>>97977777Witness
>>97977922yeah most of them so what. THe librarian looks ass, the pain boy can be aquired on its own if needed I dont need a 43432423 ancient
>>97977616Chaplain powered by farts.
>>97977893No, I don't care for push fit models. The designs are cool though, will wait for the multipart kits.
>>97977932Updated firstborn would've been fine, but primaris look cooler. Simple as.
Why can you only select a handful of units in Changehost of Deceit like "yeah you can take scintillating legion units, not that one though" where is it written in the detachment rule?
>New ork boyz look good?Yes>Replace old boyz kit?No, too monopose for that.
>>97977893>good boys>okay grots>great nobs>fantastic big boss and banner nob>meh painboy and weird boy>solid warboss>good trak>off but fixable walker>entirely forgettable marine half
>>97977924unironically an ork half might be harder to come by than the marine half.
>>97977777nice
>>97977972You know what would've been less forgettable? Codex Armageddon II with a Steel Legion refresh as the launch box.
How long would Tortuga Bay minis take to ship to Leafland? I need to buy up some models from them and archive them in case Tortuga gets shut down because of the Slavenning it's homeland is under.
>>97977968they will probably release later with more poses this is how it always has been
>>97977985omg all 3 of the steel legion fans would have been basedjakking on reddit over that announcement!!!!
>>97977958It's only the handful of Daemon datasheet they reprinted in the codex. All the cult book daemonkin detachments have the same dumb restriction.
>>97977751Magnus thought it would be funny to warp a company of Space Wolves deep into T'au t'erritor'y
>>97977985>we need a model range fo rgasmask, trenchcoat wearing glub shitto regiment #2387
>>97977893>Simple monopose push fit modelsUtterly worthlessI don't buy starter sets
>>97977995You never stop learning new infuriating bullshit eh
>>97977630Ork half needs a 5 man squad of Nobs or Lootas or something. Feels tiny compared to the Tyranid half of Leviathan with its three monsters, three horde squads, one shooty squad and one infiltration squad. Ork box you're left wondering how you'll jam five characters into three squads.
>>97977995Does it mean everything else is going to Legends? Wouldn't surprise me
>>97977777Chekkt
>>97977988doubt it
>>97977988Lol nope. It has not happened with Necron Warriors or Hormagaunts or Poxwalkers or Chaos cultists.Only Marines get that.
>>97977831Of my rhythms
I was expecting the intercessors to look more rag tag, not just a couple alternate helmets
Nothing in this box is exciting
>>97977985Honestly, I think the steel legion fags have been painfully whiny and entitled, but even I'll agree that if ever there was a time to try a starter set without marines, now would have been it. They clearly have no ideas for space marines, so why not try guard instead?
>>97978018It happened with Termagants
>>97978029That's what she said.
>Eradicators>With heavy boltersSo I assume they will release more Eradicators with each type of heavy weapons until they completely replace Devastators.
>>97977976If there's one thing I can trust in this hobby, it's for marine piggies to be as insatiable and undescerning as ever.
>>97977658"Hey, you know the guys that famously all turn into handsome blue-eyed blondes as part of the process that turns them into Space Marines? Let's paint one as a bald black dude."
>>97978054snowflake
The grots needed bigger noses, real big noses, big enough they could count as a choppa.
>>97977554First the box Next the world!
>>97978067Tranny
>>97978054>Hey, you know (totally inaccurate meme lore)?BA geneseed often makes the recipient take on more handsome statuesque features, with multiple notable exceptions. It does not change their hair or skin colour. Pale skin and blond hair is just common on Baal.
>>97977658how do these new blangels (black angels) shake up the diversity statistics of each chapter?
>>97978111salamanders still on top
>>97978054He is falling to the black rage
>Some schmuck at my LGS is willing to splitsies with me>Gonna lowball the split>He'll take it anyways because he has an employee discount
I think i figured out the orkiest setup, Slugga in right hand, Shoota in left hand, Choppa in helmet for headbutts, Stikkbombs in knee pads and a burna in mouth, chew the trigger for burna power.
>>97978033No it didn't. The models are the exact same, they just added a sprue with weapons options.
>>97978144You can't minmax that shit, the gods look down on you, as they ought to.
>>97978067Every time you use our words it's a cultural victory for the right that pushes the norm further in our direction. Based!
>>97977695If I buy this set and combine with the contents of the Space Hulk box I already have (11 Terminators and Librarian in T.Armour), will I have enough stuff for a 1000 point game?
>>97977751Minor xenos faction that just happens to have the same combat doctrine as the tau.
>>97977554So what base size are we thinking the Dakkarig is on, 80mm round? I hope so because I happen to have some spare 80mm bases I accidentally bought. >>97977581Probably because all the other large Ork vehicles are transports or with multiple pilots, so your brain is going "there should be a Grot or something hanging as well" and all the other walkers are closed topped.
>>97978172Probably yeah. Maybe get another 10x intercessors for the librarian to lead
>>97977893I like Necrons and Tyranids more than Orks, so no.. i'll skip this time.
>>97977695>they will literally buy anything
don't like the golden aquila on MM, silver looked better
11th is not going to be a good edition is it.
>>97978196then paint yours silver?
>>97977581It's a walker that has no reason to be. Why not just make it a gunwagon? Walkers are walkers because they fight in close combat like big infantry. This has no arms, no melee weapons. It's a big retarded armless chicken.
>>97977893May buy a landspeeder or 2 on ebay. It's the only thing I really care for from the marine half and my Ravenwign could use something neat. Otherwise no, I think I'm gonna pass.
>>97977751>space wolves are carrying operations near tau territories >tau have a ships of the 4th sphere expansion stranded far from the empire >tau are using kroots, or some other voidfaring auxiliary, to carry a contingent of troops for a distant operationthese are all canon
>>97978203It's a refinement on a shit edition, polished turd is the best we could hope for.
Is the new landspeeder small enough that I could run my old ones as one of it?
>>97978203There was never any chance since it's still based on 10th.
>>97978218sure, nobody cares
>>97977877Codex Armageddon was "Orks get some of their fun stuff from 2nd edition back", "Black Templars get super special mary sue rules" and "You can finally run Guard as just tanks and dudes in Chimeras". Steel Legion had very little to do with it.
>>97977848Dorn...
>>97978196I think it's because that specific symbol is painted gold, and is not a representation of the colorscheme
>>97978223nice, I've got like ten of the fuckers and have been wanting to use them again in my autistic ass lgs for a while now
>>97978218It's smaller than a storm speeder but it's still twice as big as an middlehammer speeder
Bring back aura bubbles
>>97977597WE GET TO PAY MORE FOR LESS AND MORE COMPETITIVE SLOPthank god
>>97977848PRIMARCHS PRIMARCHS PRIMARCHS I LOVE PRIMARCHS I LOVE TALKING ABOUT PRIMARCHS I LOVE IT WHEN PRIMARCHS SHOW UP TO EVERY TINY BATTLE INVOLVING 3 DOZEN INFANTRY AND A COUPLE SUPPORT VEHICLES I LOVE WHEN /40KG/ TALKS ABOUT PRIMARCHS LIKE ITS THE FUCKING HORUS HERESY THREAD
>>97978241is there a comparison picture?
>>97978245The Primarch in question is important in 40k since Gathering Storm thougheverbeit. Sorry.
>>97978185this is perfect.
>>97978251I don't remember if they pulled an old one during the stream, they compared the storm speeder with the nuspeeder, that's all I can remember
>>97977848You've used this same bait dozens of times already. Get better material.
>>97978255Nu-lore ignore.
>>97978251
>>97978175It's probably the only vehicle you actually want on a huge base considering the force field is probably "wholly within"Leave it to GW to make special abilities overly redundant. Two 5+ invul and one 5+ FNP in the same box.
>>97978255YEAH I LOVE WHEN GW SHITS ALL OVER THE EXISTING STORY TO PUT PRIMARCHS IN 40K I LOVE PRIMARCHS I LIKED HOW THAT PRIMWRCH CAME BACK AND I CLAPPED, I CLAPPED BECAUSE I KNOW WHO THAT IS, THATS THE ULTRAMARINES PRIMARCH, AND THEN HE WENT AND HE FOUGHT THE CHAOS PRIMARCHS AND THEY HAD A PRIMARCH FIGHT AND I CLAPPED
>>97978135I thought Cawl was suppose to fix all that.
>>97978260Which schizo do you think this is Spot? You sniffed him out, who is he!? Come on boy, you can do it!
>>97978255>important in 40k since 40k fluff went to shit
Now that Crusade is gone, which edition did it the best? Was it 9ED?
>>97977645No more runt herds? Thank mork and gork
>>97977645>Even the gretchin have tactical rocksThere's really no way to fix this issue now is there? Why does GW insist so hard on this when it's mocked so heavily?Im fine with rocks as a concept, it's just that it doesnt really make sense when half of the models on a battlefield are standing on some type of rock and having the wind blow in such perfect ways as to constantly have their cape in a badass pose no matter where they are. If it was just a couple models and not half of them I wouldnt take as much issue with it
>11e comes with a simple tree campaign systemAlready better than 10e and 9e combined
>>97978272How many editions till the Storm Speeder gets legends'd?
>>97978292Unquestioningly yes. Even though it still could have been a lot better.
>>97978303Probably one, but there are chances of it lasting until 13
>>97978288This thread is for discussing 40k since 40k fluff went to shit. Are you lost on your way to /GROG/?
>>97978281>THE EXISTING STORYThe existing story concluded, Cadia croaked and all hell broke loose to almost end-times levels, what else was there that mattered pre-Fall of Cadia, irrelevant Eldar or T'au spiel? Tyranid chomping shit on the other side of the Galaxy? Grey Knights killing as many if not more civilians than demons?
>>979782929th had good bones. The codex creep was fucked and they started frog boiling the points removal at the end, but the fundamentals were a lot better than 10th.
>>97978318>Grey Knights killing as many if not more civilians than demons?That's incredibly funny thoughbeit
Mark VII Aquila Armour mogs Mark X Tacticus Armour.
>>97978318YOURE SO RIGHT THE STORY NEEDED MORE PRIMARCHS, IT DOESNT NEED TO BE ABOUT WAR IT NEEDS TO BE ABOUT PRIMARCHS FIGHTING OTHER PRIMARCHS AND DOING PRIMARCH STUFFI LOVED WHEN THAT ONE PRIMARCH CAME BACK AGAIN AND I WENT ZOMGGG THATS LION!!!! THA TS THE LION HE HAS THE EMPERORS SHIELD I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!! AND I CLAPPED AND HE WENT "ITS PRIMARCHING TIME" AND HE FOUGHT ANGRON THE ANGRY PRIMARCH AND I CLAPPED
>>97978298You will never use it thoughbeit
>>97977658>even the veteran sergeant doesnt get any bling on his jump packlmao
So did all existing warboss sculpts get demoted to lieutenants or what? Seems like they just did exactly that with the bigboss + lunkboss.>>97977781Vehicles are a cinch these days but infantry will require a large amount more effort than if you did them in resin between overhang and layer lines. It's basically a catch-22 between being twice as expensive and cumbersome to make a station for resin versus twice the time to get each PLA model up to standards which will add up fucking fast.
>>97978338You forgot to attach a picture of an NPC bug.
>>97978337VII is star wars memberry + tacticool pouches and diaperX is properly knightly armor adorned with gothic bits, befitting space knights
>>97978337Can't wait for the Scouring expansion for HH to hit later this year
>>97978272The flight stand is definitely about twice as high but I think the main chassis is only a bit bigger based purely off of eyeballing one of my landspeeders next to one of my bikes
>>97977777What have you done
>>97978337It is known
>>97978356what will happen to 40kg when the scouring spin off marines are the same height as primaris marines?
>>97978283turns out his work was sloppier than anticipated
>>97978352VII has the industrial look that defined 40k, Mark X has the rounded bulbous Hasbro toy look that completely ruins the feel of space marines
>>97977777Put me in the screenshot!
>>97978338>IT DOESNT NEED TO BE ABOUT WARI did not say this, you obsessed fuck. The fact you can't think of any loose end on an equal scale to the Fall of Cadia and instead scream about Pimarchs just shows you just want to scream for the sake of screaming.At least anti-primaris folk had good arguments for why they hated the concept of primaris (namely the guys saying that removing geneseed flaws takes away the identity of some chapters such as Blood Angels, something that got rectified anyways and some primaris BA went ooga booga horus anyways)
>>97978368They wont be, GW has already locked in on the fucking single set of sculpts they made for the HH, so its gonna be the same size at the mk2,3, and 6.
>>97978368They're just gonna be the same height as the existing plastic HH marines that came out the past few years
>>97978352>mkx knightyNah, try proper knight armor
>>97978368That just means HH marines can be used in 40k but only if repainted to be Alpha Legion
>>97978386I DIDNT READ ANY OF THAT BECAUSE YOU DIDNT MENTION ANY PRIMARCHS SO I WASNT INTERESTED IM ONLY HERE TO TALK ABOUT PRIMARCHS PRIMARCHS PRIMARCHS I LOVE PRIMARCHS SO MUCH LETS TALK MORE ABOUT GUILLIMAN AND HOW HE IS A PRIMARCH
CustodesWhy they exist?
>>97978368They won't be, which means we get to mix marines around for more variety
>>97978339I love tree campaigns they're great. The terrain changes will make pick up games a lot more bearable now that we don't have to play in autism city every game RAW
>>97978381>:O
>>97978408They're kinda badass, their armour looks cool. They would be more interesting if they stuck closer to Blanche's art and designs though. Also femstodes isn't canon.
>>97978413I like it when firstborn act like older brothers to primaris instead of seething manchildren who kill numarines on sight
>>97978420Yeah the industrial vent grill is iconic and looks far better than the trying-too-hard-to-be-knightly mk X faceplate.
>>97978420Darth vador's helmet is great, that's one of his most iconic features
>>97978437I like when troonmarines are raped to death on sight
>>97978442Star Wars wholesale is shit and the more its legacy is erased from the mainstream, the better. No cost too great.
I really REALLY like these models!
>>97978437For that to happen you need to kill numarines because they are actually experienced marines from 30k who were kept in stasis.So you kill the numarines but with the new technology and surgery you upgrade some of the marines and lucky initiates into bigger marines if they won the second round of genetic lottery, and mentor those young oversized recruits.
>>97978457Who asked?
>>97978420Marines are supposed to look angry, the grill was perfect for that. The primaris look like they're hiding their mouths because they're scared or something. The way its angled just looks weak and cowardly, not like the straight vertical Mk2.
>>97978464I thought Numarines were all made from scratch with 0 experience, that's what the Indomitus Crusade books all say
>>97978281>YEAH I LOVE WHEN GW SHITS ALL OVER THE EXISTING STORY40k isn't a story, it's a setting.And the setting hasn't changed in any meaningful way either. In the past before primarch wank, it was chapter master/captain wank. Same shit, different coat of paint.
>>97977581This should be a looted Sentinel or an admech unit. Instead it's ork scrap, but why would an ork make a thing with legs that way when orks always make stumpy legs and big arms?It just makes ya think too hard about it.
>>97978457As a DA fag the new deathwing knights are so fucking ass and bland. They are all very samey. They could have upscaled the old kit but no, they had to be money grubbers and copy paste as much as possible.>Went from a triple kit to a single shitty kit>but it's bigger!Nufags deserve to pay for overpriced plastic
>>97978473I don't care about the actual "lore", I make my own fluff, so I don't know shit past 5th ed
>>97978475>In the past before primarch wank, it was chapter master/captain wankYou're too young to remember this, but in the past they would actually kill some of these guys, like Tycho and Agemann.
>>97978337It really doesn't. Mk10 is cooler.
so next release will be peter turbo right?
>>97978499LOL no
>>97978499Yes, pedro kantor
I want to make a custom chapter but all the good color schemes are taken...
>>97978478Fucking THIS, the old Deathwing knight kit was fucking AMAZING>Deathwing terminators>Deathwing Knights>Deathwing command squadThe only kit on par with it was the Black knight kit to make black knights or raven wing command squad. FUCK DA used to be so much more bad ass, now they fucking asuck cock like the rest of the marine line post primaris.
>>97978499YEAH DOOD THE NEXT RELEASE IS ANOTHER PRIMARCH WE NEED MORE PRIMARCHS TO GET MODELS AND RULES SO WE CAN PLAY PRIMARCHAMMER THE PRIMARCHENING
>overwatch at end of movement phase now>tank shock now works on monsters>rapid ingress excludes aircraft>heroic intervention up to 12"Anyone catch any more of the codex rules changes from the stream?
>>97978475It was hardly ever chapter master wank it was mostly captain and SGT wank. They would kill them off too. Modern 40k is dog shit though.
>>97978507SO fucking deal with it. And no painting your guys brown or orange/teal or whatever colour GW hasn't used IS NOT going to look good.
>>97978473First wave of Primaris were the Unnumbered Sons or something like that, Guilliman's 'legion' without calling it that. They were all from 30k and remember pre-imperium time. It's touched upon a bit in the Dark Imperium series.But any new primaris are the same as any new marines before primaris.
>>97978499no
>>97978507Then modify your favorite one. There's a million way to make the scheme your own before picking a custom chapter emblem.People are retarded anyway, anything blue they'll think is ultramarines, anything red will be taken for blood angels, and so on. People confuse crimson fists for ultras all the time.
>>97978499We really don't need more Primarchs
>>97978539This has literally nothing to do with the fact that we are having them or not
>>97978507You don't need to invent new colors for your color scheme to be different, there's an infinity of shades and tones for each color and you can apply patterns or secondary colors to break up the scheme in new ways.
>>97978539Fallen Primarchs have always been a thing, fuck off newfag.
>>97978507>but all the good color schemes are taken...There's like a gigafucktillion possible schemes anon what the hell are you smoking.
>>97978506we already have Pedro
>>97978507>tfw get called dark angels all the time
YOU KNOW WHAT WE GUYS NEED? WE NEED THE HRUD! THE HRUD ARE THE MOST INTERESTING PART OF 40K! THEY ARE THE HEART AND SOUL OF 40K. WHY DO WE NEED THEM I DON'T KNOW ALL I KNOW IS WE NEED THE HRUD!
>>97978546In Epic and the background, not playable models in 28mm, that's cringe as hell and we don't need them.
>>97978356I live in hope anon
>>97978473>I thought Numarines were all made from scratch with 0 experienceBoth types exist.Greyshield primaris are the "1st generation" and were the ones who were in stasis and woken up by Cawl during the events of Gathering Storm.The "2nd generation" primaris (they have no fancy name) are any and all primaris who are made by the chapters themselves on their own since all chapters were given the knowledge and technology to make their own primaris marines.
>>97978556you are trying to hard, bro
>>97978473It’s a mix. Cawl’s bene working on Primaris for a lot of time. The first few successful ones were from late m30/m31. He had to work slow to keep things quiet but 10k years of making them meant by the time Gman returned he had a couple hundred thousand or so. A given primaris marine could have come from any time during those 10k years.
>>97978556Man, the hrud would be great. Good catch, I'd love to see them.
>>97978556Better than Primarchs actually yeah. We haven't had an exciting new faction release in awhile because they kinda fucked up Votann.
>>97978563That's you and your crying about primarchs for the last 3 threads thoughbeit
>>97978556I would like to see a small group of them as enemies in a second blackstone fortress game.
>>97978464>they are actually experienced marines from 30k who were kept in stasis.Only the first wave, the new guys are all 100% newb
>>97978507Then use a bad one.
>>97978546>HURR MY SPECIAL OC HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THIS SETTING ADD THEM SO I CAN COMMAND HIM!!There is a difference between read about a character and make such character powerful or heroic another piece of your board like a pawn, faggot.
>>97978509>Used to have 3 upgrade sprues>plus a dedicated ravenwing kit>plus a dedicated DW triple kit>plus a unique land speedervs>Now you get a dinky upgrade for DW, RW and regular>shitty "DW knights">inner circle companions (3x dudes that look like what normal dark angels should be)>CHARACTERS WOOOOAAAAH (except Sammaël and Ezekiel lol fuck you)Barely got better off than the bangles, shit is fucking sad.
>>97978556I would buy Hrud if the models looked cool actually.
>>97978554Eww, ring your bases you heathen
>>97978571schizophrenia is a serious disease, hope you get help.
>>97978492None of those deaths mattered. GW wrote an official campaign where during the 13th black crusade Eldrad killed Abaddon. GW then blatantly retconned it anyway. Character deaths have always been meaningless.
>>97978574I know, but anon was refering to killing numarines, which is very much the first wave>>97978573When will they pull the Slanni lever and bring them back? After 30 years we finally got one (1) Terrelian dog and one (1) barghesi (I don't know how either is spelled)
>>97978577This onky sucks because of your sloppy fucking washes and shaky hands.>>97978554I mean they are angels and they look pretty dark…
Pretty pleased with the ork half of the set. I would feel good about picking up one and doing a swap out to double up the orks, though I have a suspicion it might be tougher to find people who want to this time around as the marine half seems pretty dismal.
>>97978556I'm all with you.ExoditesGretchin Revolutinary ComitéHrud Make them please
>>97978594>GW then blatantly retconned it anyway.Yeah nuGW did that after the good writers left, that was around the point where true 40k died.
>>97978580You forgot a few things here is a list of the things DA used to have>Deathwing Tripple kit>Ravenwing double kit Knights/command squad>Ravenwing bike squad >Unique Double kit speeder>Unique Double kit Flyer>Unique vet kit with upgrade spruIts fucking crazy how bad modern GW is compaired to what it used to provide for kits, but the worst part of all, majority of new players have no idea how good we had it, espeically when it came to rule, 3.5e codexes were fucking crazy good.
>>97978591Your whore mother is the one who needs help dealing with you.
>>97978520>They would kill them off tooThis never happened in any meaningful amounts.
>>97978605This unironically
>>97978594>13th black crusade Eldrad killed Abaddon.Eldrad died during the old 13th black crusade not Abaddon.
>>97978510Crying too hard.
>>97978614>Guys it happened but it did not matter that it happend because it was not meaningfulAnon "meaningful' is subjective as fuck. Guiliman could die right now, and it would be meaningless to me because I dont care about him at all. Rylanors death had more meaning to me then anything thus far. Atop of that the reason its meaningless feeling for most people is because the show still has to go on, they still gotta progress the game and the business so they will kill characters off and replace them because THEY GOTTA FUCKING SELL MODELS.
>>97978606>Yeah nuGW did thatIt was way before that. That entire retcon happened like 20 years ago, dumbass.Character deaths have always been meaningless and don't matter.
Hrud would honestly be super exciting because we haven't got a real new Xenos faction since Necrons and Tau back in 3rd.No Votann don't count, they're a remake of Squats and are basically Imperium-adjacent abhumans, not xenos.GSC don't count cause they're just a sub faction of Tyranids and already existed in the past (although the new models are kino).I mean NEW new, Hrud have never had minis or tabletop rules, they would be totally fertile ground for expanding the universe and being creative.
>>97978633>It was way before that. That entire retcon happened like 20 years ago, dumbassYou're a newfag if you don't realize that nuGW came about mid way through 4th edition once Chambers and Priestley were gone.
>>97978625Both of them died. The whole point was that Eldrad killed Abaddin but Eldrad died of his wounds as well. GW then retconned it.
I'm a newfag interested in Orks and Black Templars. Is the Marine saide of the box good for BT if I wanna play them in the future? Or should I just get Ork half off of ebay
>>97978595>When will they pull the Slanni lever and bring them back?I can't imagine them happening soon, with aos lizardmen still having stuff in the pipeline and exodite eldar in 40k coming allegedly, the road is already saturated with enough dinos/tribals products for the foreseeable future.I don't even think gw has enough ideas for them for a whole faction so if they happen and aren't another weird one-off cameo like the zoat they might be at best some unit added to exodites, or at least that's where I would drop such oddity, but still it's a long shot.
>>97978554>Desert Shield Crusade
>>97978611>Have known greatness>be surrounded by a majority who has no idea and doesn't give a fuck, and a minority who want to gaslight you to "own the grogs"I know they'll do a DA revamp this edition for Eze, Sam and the ravenwing, but it's probably gonna be very fucking ass
>>97978629Yeah. And you perfectly illustrated why "but they killed off characters though" (they really didn't), is meaningless and doesn't matter.
Why are Sisters the army of the Ecclestiarchy, yet have no particular bonuses against Chaos or daemons?
>>97978650A Slann Kill Team could be cool, but yeah they don't really have enough to justify a full faction especially if Exodites are coming already.
>>97978650>AoS LizardsSee, AoS have lizard, 40k will have frogs. I know AoS technically has frogs, but I mean lesser frogs>>97978651>Shortest crusade, only lasting 3 weeks>Total victory>Minimal loss
>>97978643>nuGW came about mid way through 4th editionOk, I see what you are doing.
>>97978656Because only Psykers can actually get bonuses against daemons, that's why Grey Knights are what they are.
>>97978605Warhammer 40k The Old World box featuring Hrud vs. Exodite Eldar
I would add Skavens before Lizardmen.
>>97978672so would everybody with sense
Had no idea there was an updated model for these old fellas
>>97978528Yeah and those marines had 0 actual combat experience. They were from 30k but never took part in any battles, just frozen in Cawl's lab
>>97978650>I can't imagine them happening soon, with aos lizardmen still having stuff in the pipeline and exodite eldar in 40k coming allegedly, the road is already saturated with enough dinos/tribals products for the foreseeable future.>I don't even think gw has enough ideas for them for a whole factionThey should make Old Ones into dragons.
>>97978675I really like the old design more. I don't get why they shook up the concept that hard. At that point you might as well just rename them.
>>97978513It's hilarious that they're stuck endlessly trying to balance Aircraft and Super Heavies because GW was dying and desperate for money in 6e
>>97978675I think chaos undivided demons are cool
>>97978672I wouldnt because Slann were in Rogue Trader so they deserve the spot first.However the problem is that in Fantasy Lizardmen are a mix of lizard people and dinosaurs, but in 40k the Exodites (wood elves in space) stole the dinosaurs, so the Slann need another schtick to attack to their lizardpeople. We cant have two dinosaur factions.But I would like to see GW come up with something and then release>exodites>slann>hrudIn that order.
Just when I said I wouldn't splurge for the rest of spring I see a lot of models I want to play
This is the easiest skip ever, new edition box and half the marine miniatures are intercessors everyone has 3000 of laying around.The ork side is fucking baller though. I hope the marine paypigs buy it anyway so I can get an Ork half at a reasonable price, though these are so terrible I'm not so sure.
>>97978685>attackAttach*
>>97978682>It's hilarious that they're stuck endlessly trying to balance Aircraft and Super HeaviesThey should bring old style Force Org back, that'd make them balanced.Troop tax needs to exist to filter out retards from the game.
>>97978685Just combine Exodites and Lizardpeople, ez
>>97978644You are confusing things. Eldrad forced Abaddon into a duel that was going to end into a mutual kill, so the Chaos Gods interrupted that and teleported Abaddon away. Later Eldrad sacrificed himself in a completely unrelated scenario, I seem to recall it had something to do with a Blackstone Fortress being corrupted by Slaanesh.
>>97978685This but with Goblinos instead of SlannLet the frogs in fantasy, dinos in elves and make something interesting with the Hruds
>>97978692They weren't balanced even when Force Org was a thing, they will always be a blight on this game. Aircraft and Titans just look retarded in a 28mm game on a 6x4 table
>>97978689>>>/v/
>>97978697It is possible as another anon said to include Slann as like a specialist unit within the Exodite faction, and I guess I wouldn't be opposed to that if done well. Could be kind of like Tau and Kroot, or how Dark Eldar have their Court of the Archon stuff with Sslyth and such. That may be the best option.
>>97978675>furies are only 40 pointshuh
>>97978689Marinepigs are 100% buying these
>>97978685>so the Slann need another schtick allies that aren't lizardmen but odder oldschool xenos, and organic looking technology and machines (note: not actually biological like the nids')
>>97978703It's not hard to balance Aircraft. Old FW did that. HH does that. The problem is simply that GW is constantly between "these units must be OP to sell" and "These units must be shit because we want to squat them".
>>97978711We already have 2 elf factions that hardly anybody plays. Lizardmen need their own faction with an elf auxillary unit or two
>>97978685Exodites, anybe.Hrud and Slann should never be factions. Fucking Harlequins should come back as a faction before that. Make every single FF Space Marine chapter unique before that, plus Blood Ravens.
>>97978722>Old FW did that.Old FW aircraft were banned from normal games without permission, like all other FW slop of the era. 28mm Aircraft only make sense as tokens to display the direction of a strafing or bombing run. Why GW doesn't do this I will never understand
>>97978685>so the Slann need another schtick to attack to their lizardpeopleMake them into lizardmen but have it so that the units "grow" to become dragons, and the units look more and more draconic more elite the units get, until you get to full dragons.
>>97978700Grot Revolushion as an offshoot of Orks the same way GSC are for Nids (separate faction that shares a few units and can ally) could be cool if they came up with enough wacky ideas for grot vehicles and squigs.
>>97978732subfactions aren't factionsunits aren't factions blood ravens are a subfactionharlequins are a pair of units
>>97978735Tyranids basically already did this better.People often forget they are actually space dinosaurs/dragons more than bugs.
>>97978718Who is that Cubone-looking bonehead?
>>97978732>Harlequins should come back as a factionAnd the problem? I know eldar hates complain about too many flavour of elfs in space but clowns were always the most interesting flavour of eldars, James did them dirty.
>>97978746>Tyranids basically already did thisThey didn't. They are hivemind bugs, not dragons.>but eldarEldar retarded.
>>97978755Tyranids are half bug half dinosaur
>>97978741Harlequins even had a Codex anon...
Collage?
>>97978746The chitin exoskeletons did fool me
>>97978741Things that should be full factions with unique ranges before Hrud:>Exodites>Harlequins>Eldar Corsairs>Every single First Founding Space Marine chapter>Blood Ravens>Chaos Guard>Dark Mechanicus>Every single Ork clan getting unique units, space marine-styleI realize that people want more xenos and fewer space marines and humans, but come on, no one gives a shit about the Hrud.
>>97978757And still 100% hivemind bugs.
Does this mean firstborn vanguard vets are kill?
>>97978748A slann, of course
>>97978763>Eldar corsairs>Ork clans >First Founding Marine chapters>No GRC>No LizardmenYou failed us, anon
>>97978758so did assassins it means jack shit
>>97978718You probably away with giving them lumpy 70s and 80s biotech instead of the spiky 90s biotech of the Tyranids.Like grown mushrooms and blobby ogre shapes or whatever.
What happens to Heavy Intercessors now that Eradicators with Heavy Bolters are here?
>>97978755>They are hivemind bugs, not dragons.They're space dinosaurs with some bug features. The literal name "Tyranid" in the real world was inspired by Tyrannosaur. They mostly have reptilian heads with jaws instead of bug heads with compound eyes and sideways mandibles. The crests on the warriors even look similar to the saurus of the lizardmen and have ceratopsian influence. The flying Tyranids have leathery membranous wings like dragons instead of bug wings like vespid. They have numerous creatures that have a kind of "fire breath" (screamer killer bio-plasma). They generally have tails like dinosaurs/lizards sometimes even ending in ankylosaurid maces or stegosaurid spikes, rather than fat abdomen sections like bugs.They are fucking gribbly space dinosaurs and the creators at GW have also stated this personally.
>>97978646Imo get Ork half and track down and old BT combat patrol before it disappears/gets more expensive
>>97978789They are hivemind bugs first and foremost. They are not dragons.
>>97978771A mexislaan from Asltann
>>97978762The 3rd ed Tyranids people claim are based on Zerg were started in production before Starcraft came out, and the hydralisk and uktralisk are almost exact 1:1 copies of John Blanche's Advanced Space Crusade Tyranid concept art published in White Dwarf 6 years before Starcraft.
Removed the thigh plate, added power cables to the side of the chestplate to make the fake pecs less prominant and the torso more interesting, removed the extra armor on the powerpack exhaustI think it's already a decent improvement with only a few modifications, this could be done with a hobby knife and some greenstuff/putty
>>97978763I'm not on the side of the guy who thinks hrud could or should be a faction.I'm just saying that sunfactions like blood ravens are just a color scheme, and stuff like harlequins and corsairs are a pair of units each.They're not factions, they don't require full ranges of redundant kits, and independent books ruin them because they're at their best as parts of their parent faction.
>>97978786Why is every Primaris unit named the Buttfuckinators or Shartyfartinators
>>97978763I want Chaos Xenos DESU. Just same strange cosmic horror indebted to Tzeentch that has nothing to do with 1k Sounds
>>97978786nothing?the entire space marine codex is already multiple layers of redundant overlap
>>97978763>Blood Ravensaside from turning every unit into a Librarian variant I don't know what they could doDark Mech would be the only Chaos faction I'm interested in though
>subdermal LED lights to create glowing effects in the scars
>>97978763>>Blood RavensLiterally just Ultramarines painted red.The others you have legitimate arguments.
>>97978808Better no doubt, but there was a huge improvement margin
>>97978777Eldar Corsairs are the original rt Eldar and should have way more support. The recent battleforce and detachments were a good start but I’d at least like them to get a few more models.
>>97978763>guard with spikes>admech with spikesi read so many interesting concepts for factions here, but this shit is just so boring...
>>97978802It'd be nice to see pics of those. Nothing better to respond to arguments that simply quoting the evidence
>>97978789You're talking with a sperg, ignore him.
>>97978816GW's eternal melty that they can't own the word "space marine"
>>97978816they got raped the one time they tried to sue over "Space Marine" as a term and are still butthurt
>>97978770All firstborn are dead.
>>97978763>Dark Mechanicus>s
>>97978786Any infantry model that is not a regular marine, a scout or a terminator should be erradicated from all marine books, videogames, lore, codex, games, fan fictions, merch, sidegames, animations, data bases, human memories, pictures.
>>97978838It's a harder task but an abdomen like captain centos is possible, and in the future I'd like to fully understand how that suboden khan character's chest is shaped as it's also a massive improvement.For a lighter look, remove the hip plates, the knee fins and trim down the gorget, possibly remove the forearm plate too (or swap for BT arms).
>>97978816Because marine squads didn't have names. It was just what they did.>These are the assault marines. They assault. This is the scout squad. They scout.>Ok. What does the Tactical squad do?>Everything. But it does so all tactical style.>Are you an Ork?>No. I'm Margaret Thatcher.
>>97978842That's the thing, they arent just Guard with spikes or Admech with spikes.Traitor Guard are supposed to have things like chaos spawn of varying sizes, rogue psykers, plague ogryn, spider tanks, mutants, beastmen, etc.Dark Mech get even crazier with any kind of daemon engine you could imagine, cyberdaemons, huge spidery dark magi, flying fleshmetal constructs, etc.
>>97978861Holy based
What’s a complementary army for an Eldar player? I want to start something new but it to be fresh. I don’t want something that plays more or less the same.More generally, which pairs of armies offer the most diverse spread of playstyles?
>>97978802Yeah, the "Tyranids = Starcraft" people tend to ignore that GW released a lot of stuff outside of codexes in the 90s and the entirety of the Hive War expansion for Space Marines/Titan Legions that added the vehicle sized monsters for the nids. The 3rd edition models are mostly a continuation of Hive War, except for where some concepts were changed to fit the "six limbs, seven armor plates" ideal.
>>97978862Suboden khan's chestplate for ref.I'm tempted to buy the miniature just to measure and study that bit to know where the angle sits. I could also figure it out with a lot of putty and a file/sandpaper and do some trial & error.
>>97978842The lost and the damned should be by far the most common depiction of chaos in 40k. Additionally they are way cooler than chaos marines on the table.
>>97978861
>>97978689Marine players will literally buy ANYTHING.
>>97978877Dwarves
>>97978877>eldar / ???>fast / slow>few / many>thin / bruteorks
>>97978861Go back further, back to>max 50% characters>min 25% troops>max 50% support>that's it
>>97978763>Every single First Founding Space Marine chapter>Blood Ravens (yet even more plain space marines) >chaos guard instead of lost and the damned>No krootWhat a fucking retard.
>>97978879Well, not quite. Hive War actually came out before the 2nd ed Tyranid Codex, it was the 2e nids that were a continuation of that set. 3rd ed WAS a new redesign, but it had already been concepted before Starcraft. The warriors head crests weren't based on hydralisks but as smaller versions of the Tyrant head crest which itself was based on the Xenomorph Queen from Aliens which was one of the original primary inspirations for both nids and zerg, etc.
>>97978842How would you rather me word my request for a tech-heavy chaos faction not bloated with marines and irrelevant units?
Why do Craftworld Eldar have the coolest voices in games?
>>97978893Both at once is actually the best way to do it.
>>97978890>orks>slowOh I am LAFFIN at dis git ere
Not bad overall so far. Nothing I could objectively call an outright stinker, the closest it gets is Wazdakka just because I really don't like how aesthetic his bike design is, and there's some echoes of it here and there in the other new kits but much more moderated. And some genuine winners in places we needed wins, I think the only real disappointment is the weirdboy being as dull as it is with how long we've been stuck with the old one.
>>97978906This model was goofy at first for me but now looks really cool
>>97978845NTA but Hive War came out a year or two before Starcraft and the original art for the Trygon looks like the Hydralisk and the Ultralisk is just a 2nd edition Carnifex with two extra legs.
>>97978724Taken as a whole, the Aeldari superfaction is the third most popular faction in the game.
>>97978877Tau or orks
>>97978888Oi, that's Ork dakka, not beaky dakka
>>97978872>Spiky guard with CSM units>Spiky admech with CSM unitswaow
>Guy complains about Eldar in 40k thread on /v/>Some anon suggests he must have gotten beat by an Eldar player>Guy goes scorched earth about how much he hates EldarWhy the fuck do people hate this army so much?
>>97978889I really hope in 11th edition we get a dwarf codex written by dwarf players instead of by elf players.I don't want tricky strategem bullshit and layering special rules for wombo combos. I want to kill things and not die.
>>97978936Jealousy
>>97978916
>>97978936no one likes eldar apart from eldar players
>>97978936trauma from 10+ years ago when they were OP
>>97978936They're like Blue in Magic:The Gathering. The army's only good when it makes sure the other player isn't having fun.
>>97978888>posts one of the worst selling marine units of all time>even when they were near-mandatory include levels of busted people were figuring out how to kitbash better looking ones instead of buying thme(you) tried>>97978936hey that's really cool and all but stay on /v/ instead of telling us about your faggot antics here
>>97978916Hive War was 1995, Starcraft was 1998.And no the hydralisk and ultralisk were not based on Hive War material, as I already stated they were copied from Advanced Space Crusade Tyranid art that's even older than Hive War which looks almost EXACTLY like those zerg units.
>>97978943I like Eldar because I play Necrons and Necrons v Eldar is always a wild rideAt least it was before the great de-flavoring of 10e
>Really want Vampire Counts in 40k but they're all spread out across different factions>Night Lords got the aesthetic down to a T but Blood Angels has the actual vampirism shit while Nurgle has Zombies and Necrons have skeletonsI'd say they should make a new Xeno army being Khrave but they're likely gonna be an auxiliary unit for Dark Eldar when they get their refresh.
>>97978953>great de-flavoring of 10eQRD
>>97978968How utterly buttfuckingly new
>>97978968total nothingburger
>>97978943 I don't even like Eldar I just think the models are cool.
>>97978971Completely as I have never played the table top
>>97978888Except they don't because that unit is universally reviled by everyone.
>>97978968>All psychic spells removed>All faction armory's removed>All warlord traits removed>Many wargear options removedJust off the top of my head
>>97978936Eldar are "elite" without having heavy armor so they have to differentiate that from all the other factions by using movement tricks as their durability instead. Movement tricks are disproportionately powerful against bad players that can't anticipate them and see Eldar as unfair because they don't recognize how much easy counterplay there is against T3 1W infantry.
>>97978968the plastic aint yummy no more
>>97978932I don't understand why people keep posting this.>I want them to go crazy and make a lot of whacky shit>lol you want spiky skitarii? you want spiky onager?>No I don't like admech or the admech units that's why I want a different army>lol you want spiky skitarii? you want spiky onager?
>>97978819I would also like a random Chaos Xenos race, but it'll never happen.
>>97978998because they aren't engaging in good faith
>>97978956It's not like you can't just flavor a Dark Eldar army as Vampire Counts with zombie slaves as their battleline troops. There's literally canon examples of it.
>>97979005I never understood the appeal.
>>97978937You WILL buy the one transport they have and spend half your points on it, and you'll like it.
>only Blood Angel without a helmet>is negraSheeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiit
>>97978943Our supremacy makes some of you nervous
>>97978936I hate scrawny knife-eared elf fucks, any setting that has elves must have a way to fucktomize said elves into pieces.
>>97979021FOR THE BIX NOOD EMPEROR
>want an army with lots of armour>want a balanced mixed army after a couple weeks>want an infantry horde army after a couple weeksWHY ARE MY TASTES SO FICKLE
>>97978986no you nigger you arent big brained you were OP because of fate dice and other overtuned bullshit
>>97978906>>orks>>fast>I2
>>97979032Play Tau
>>97978968>wargear options utterly crippled>tons of ways to customize characters sandpapered off>more autistically specific loadouts than ever forced (see: skitarii troops for example) because god forbid somebody use something not exactly like the box>forcing power levels onto the point system removing a gigantic amount of granularity in unit/list building despite literally nobody using them before 10th (for example during 8th when they were first introduced I only had a single game out of a few hundred that used power levels since nobody was interested in them)
>>97978936Modern marinefags have genuine identity issues, it's like sonic autists.
>>97979030>>97979021Shiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeet negro, we be up in dis hizzay
>>97979051Just imagining painting the trim on that staff makes me feel sick
>>97978956Yeah no sorry we don't need a Vampire Counts faction when all that other stuff already exists.To be a 40k faction you need to do two things:>be reminiscent of something from fantasy>have a modern or sci-fi twist that adds a new futuristic elementLike Necrons are Tomb Kings meets Terminator killer robots/War of the Worlds ancient aliens.Orks are Orcs with Mad Max wasteland junkyard scraptech biker punks aesthetic.Imperial Guard are Empire (including Ogres and Halflings auxiliaries) but with WW1/2 equipment and laser guns.Tyranids are Lizardmen but also Xenomorphs.Tau are mishmash xenos Dogs of War but with Gundams (over time putting much more emphasis on the latter).Etc. So to do Vampire Counts in space they need that second layer of tropes to add on top.
>>97979021>>97979030>the marine melanin organ lets a white marine become black when the environment requires itI can't believe none of the shitposters in here latched onto the idea of these being white marines in blackface
>Reveal was lameAt least the mega-collage will be done soon
>>97979057Best way to go at it probably to give the entire thing a coat of the tirm color, then fill in the gaps with the actual staff color. Gonna be a massive pain in the ass to make look decent.
>>97978407Valid crashout. Fuck Horus Heresy 2
What is everyone working on? (hate the new demon prince)
>>97978816It was incredible cringe reading Phil Kelly vomit in an article of white dwarf describe how calling things Shartyfartinators or Buttfuckinators is Warhammerifing something
>>97978407This I can't bring myself to care about anything but my space daddies teenage angst and how much their gene sperm kiddies are like them
Marines won
>>97979058You say that, but Eldar are just Elves, and Dark Eldar are just Dark Elves.
>>97979092Eldar are nothing like High Elves
>>97979091the prize of getting their wallets milked by daddy Gdubs
>All these Reddit 8th babies gettting upity that the new box has intersesors in it
>>97979074>(hate the new demon prince)y tho
>Space Marines>Space Wolves>Blood Angels>Dark Angels>Black Templars>Grey Knights>Deathwatch>Imperial Guard>Sisters of Battle>Adeptus Custodes>Adeptus Mechanicus>Imperial Agents>Imperial Knights>Chaos Space Marines>Thousand Sons>Death Guard>World Eaters>Chaos Knights>Chaos Daemons>Aeldari>Drukhari>Tau>Orks>Necrons>Tyranids>Genestealer Cults>Leagues of VotannWhat 5 factions most deserve to be cut?
genuinely dont understand how people can even play loyalist space marines anymoremost mind numbing shit imaginable
Hrud kill teamSkaven in 40k too. Nothing changed just have them tunnel through the warp. Bonus points if Thanquol is with them
>>97979074This dude looks sick af, great work so far Anon. Do you intend to add any more fleshy sinew to the body or leaving it as a dry bonez? (also if you would so kindly, please post a pic of him partially shoved up your asshole. xoxoxoxo)
>>97979108space marines, chaos space marines, orks, tyranids, guard
>>97979108>Chaos Knights>Imperial Knights>Leagues of Votann>Adeptus Custodes>Chaos Daemons
>>97979111Because I like them, I don't beed constant new stuff to be happy like this is some live service game
>>97979108VotannVotannVotannVotannVotann
>>97979108Knights, chaos knights, custodes, agents, and one of the space marine flavors. Probably deathwatch, space wolves, or blood angels.
>>97979118what is it you like about them, genuinely interested
>>97979108>Votann (this was an asspull to begin with)>GSC (just use allied Guard forces with tyranids)>Custodes (should never have been tabletop models)I’d honestly be fine with just these gone
What exactly is GW going to do with daemons? Make them part of CSM / cult legions? Get rid of them entirely? No daemons at all in 40k? Why?
>>97979114ty, he is meant to be a flesh demon worshipped by /mydudes/ who are thousand sons promised their flesh back in a faustian bargain. It isn't coming across very well so I might add some pink/reddish tints
>>97979128Oh, and Grey Knights/Deathwatch. Merge them into Imperial Agents
>>97979058>second layer of tropes to add on topcyberdystopic mind control via weaponised escapism for a sci-fi take on zombies technecromancy applied onto broken machines from the scrapyard rather than corpses from the graveyard data vampires instead of blood vampiresprivate megacorps instead of corrupt noblecourts
>>97979126Their a blank space meant for creating your own chapter and characters, you can do pretty much anything with them, you can do that with other factions, its just a lot harder
>>97979108>What 5 factions most deserve to be cut?space marinesspace marineschaos marines chaos marinesdrukhari
>>97979108Dumpster TS and make an actual Tzeentch faction
>>97979117>Chaos Daemonsmakes me sad that they are all but guaranteed to be cutI remember collecting them as my first army because I could play them in both games, even if people laughed at my square bases it was cool
>>97979108custodeschaos knightsdeathwatchimperial knightsemperor's children
>pistol keyword replaced with “close quarters” on the Bolt Pistol statlineIf Terminator Storm Bolters don’t get close quarters James hates me specifically.
>>97979134Post him over in /wip/ so I can follow your progress, he looks very OG DOOM1/2 artwork. I think some lowlights with muddled pinks in the deeper inner cracks would add some nice depth and contrast against the rest of the bone. Chaos Eye pauldron is very solid too.
>>97977777OOOOHHHHHH!!!!!
>>97979024>I hate scrawnySpiteful and revoltingly obese tub of shit detected.
>>97979145The imperium is not a normal enough society to have escapism and private corporations.
>>97979131They seem to want to make them Fantasy only (specifically AoS), at least as playable armies. Best you can hope for currently is that they keep their index to be playable in 11th.
>>97979108>all of the responses so far only one dark elf listed so farDEfags infest this place
Models I will be keeping (the rest will be sold)>Captain>Intersesors>Speeder>Big boss>Grots>Pain boy>War trike>Dakkarig>Banner nob
>>97979074Did this guy earlier. Im hoping I have enough time to finish him tomorrow before the collage is up.
>>97979172your tribalism over toys isn't normal
>>97979175Why would they do that? The galaxy is covered in warp juice and suddenly no more daemons?
>>97979131>What exactly is GW going to do with daemons?Sidelined as much as possible as legends rules until they're removed completely and replaced by a few kits of god-themed cyberdemons for DE, WE, TS and EC added as normal units to their codex.>Why?gw doesn't like the idea of any given product being for multiple of their game systems, so the current almost exclusively fantasy themed demons need to go and stay products for the fantasy game, while 40k gets 40k specific products.
>>97979187for >>97979024
>>97979108>imperial knights>chaos knights>adeptus custodes>grey knights>deathwatchFold the last 3 into Imperial Agents, they still exist in small numbers as specialist units just not their own codexes.The first two can fuck off forever.
>>97979204insulting a faction isn't tribalismgetting upset when your faction is insulted is
>>97979199>gw doesn't like the idea of any given product being for multiple of their game systemsbut they did for pretty much forever
No faction should be cut, they should just be as markettable as space marines and every warhammer cinematic should take cues from the Dawn of War trailers/intros and have both side fuck up each other in equal losses (but not equal brutality just to showcase how each faction fucks you up) and every under-developed faction from a lore, gameplay and/or modelrange issues (be quality, quantity or both) should be expanded and correct their respective lacking issues.Oh but let me fucking guess, oy vey too hard too expensive.
>>97979199Similar to what they did with the Beastmen when those guys got moved from AoS back to TOW
>>979791081. Merge->Space Wolves>Blood Angels>Dark Angels>Black Templars>Grey Knights>Deathwatch-into generic Space Marines (yes, actual Marines, not Primarishit).2. Eliminate Knights (optional as an allied detachment in larger games).3. "Imperial Agents" are a meme... allied detachment.4. Eliminate standalone Chaos Legion factions, instead create god-specific Chaos factions comprising Marines, cultists, demons, beastmen, chaos xenos, etc. (plus Undivided). An all-Legion force remains an option.5. Eliminate Leagues of Votann entirely.
>>97979199So are they gonna give bloodletters a chain sword instead of a regular sword? How tf do you make a daemon in 40k distinct from its fantasy counterpart?
>>97979213and now they don't because they're a big boy company with big boy jews giving advices on how to run things by making everything an internal conflict
>>97979213That was then, nowadays they're so incredibly autistic about keeping product lines separate that they literally straight up deleted an entire army from AOS because the TOW team wanted it in their game and they managed to win the corporate tug of war.
>>97979212>insulting a faction isn't tribalismit literally is>getting upset when your faction is insulted isthat's not what happened, anon insulted you for your lapsus
>>97979230>it literally isnope!>that's not what happened, anon insulted you for your lapsusI'm not the one who posted the original, I just pointed out him lashing out in defense of his toys is abnormal
>decide to buy some ork stuff off facebook marketplace>person accidentally had a space wolves transfer sheet in the box they were carrying the stuff in>”whoops, well you can take it if you’d like”well, this would have been nice to have a month back>>97979074nice white devil, currently working on my meganobz, my weekend is completely free, so I’m hoping to finish it by sunday.
>>97979218>How tf do you make a daemon in 40k distinct from its fantasy counterpart?mechanical shit shoved into the demonthink small scale soulgrinders
Warhammer 40,000
>>97979239You're literally in denial.
>>97979256I'm sorry you got so upset somebody insulted your choice in toys
>>97979248nah fuck that no way that is happeningdaemons are daemons they are warp creatures not robotsonly time that happens is when they are unwillingly stuffed into a daemon engine
>>97979248sounds like you could just easily proxy the current daemons for the potential new daemons anyway
Lmao at the starter box. Some of the ork stuff is cool, Cannot fathom being excited for the marines
>>97979261And now you're doubling down in your delusions.
>>97979108>VotannNo fucking doubt a failure>Imperial AgentsUse that spot into something useful or new>Knights all of themIf you want to play Big superchad robots go to gundam>DeathwatchWe have many concepts out there by we need "Marines but with a slightly different color" to have so many Codex?
>>97979265Unless gw decides to make the new demons incompatible with the old archetypes by making them larger or in possession of ranger weapons, for example.
>>97979128>>Custodes (should never have been tabletop models)Whoops, yep, missed this in my post:>>979792166. Axe the Custodes.
>>97979262>only time that happens is when they are unwillingly stuffed into a daemon engine
>>97979262yes it's stupid, but incarnate daemon engines already exist>>97979275if they just update daemons instead of removing them I'd be happy with that, they're getting old and ugly
why so many fags consider votann a bad faction? which faction would you put to replace then? obviously must be xenos...
>>97979262
>>97979283stop ban evading
>>97979282>I'd be happy with thatgw doesn't want you happy, it wants you spending money as if you felt forced to
New vanguard vets look like they're sculpted without any melee weapon options besides pistols and swords.... can it be true.... loyalist accursed weapons
>>97979298vanvets in 10e already had no melee options, unsurprising they trimmed the pistol options
>>97979303Not up to date with 10th edition, does the game suck cock now?
>>97979296I don't own any daemons yet, I'm waiting to see what happens with them before I buy them
>>97979307it's different but I've been having more fun with it than I did in 7th-9th, not quite as happy as I was in 5th and 6th
genuinely why was death watch ever an army to begin with?its 3 kits and speshul lore that they swaps bullet typeshow do you fill a book on that?
The Ork half of the box looks appealing as someone who doesn’t own any Orks. I kind of wish Grots were a viable army on their own, though I don’t know how they’d manage it without just being off brand Night Goblins. Maybe if they played into the communism angle with the Red Gobbo.
>>97979317>genuinely why was death watch ever an army to begin with?to convince people to buy loads of boxes of them and their upgrade sprue
>>97979181How dare you imply that we're being paid by Vect.We would never accept his bribery in succulent Wych flesh shows.I find the very idea that we could be bought with ringside seats in the splash-zone of the finest arenas in Commoragh outright preposterous!How could you even say we'd accept VIP passes into the bloodworks from which half of us never returne in order to tell everyone how wonderful the Commorite's are!?
>>97979317because you watch the death of your wallet
>>97979317Because Marine piggies will eat the slop, no need for actual work, stamp a new color and let's go.
>>97979108>GSCShould have just been rolled into nids>Custards0 opportunity for interesting schemes and /yourdudes/ since they're all expected to be banannas and they all have basically one job>IAShould be obvious why.>KnightsThe entire point of Knights was that you take them as a centerpiece model for your regular dudes. They never needed to be an army and 90% of people who own Knights just want to stomp timmies or use them as an ally like they were intended to
>>97979298They’re etb models so they’ll have little in the way of options on that sprue. Will have to wait for multi-part individual kits like what the other Vets and the Terminators got to see if they still have the Storm Shield options. Would be funny if they were screwed out of them because James hating Blood Angels lmao
>>97979335>Should have just been rolled into nidscults and actual nids mix less than marines and the guard
Is this the first time where the ork half will be more sought after than the marines?
>>97979361When gene cultists would be bought for a Tyranid list you don't have to imagine them as moving together with the swarm but rather emerging from whatever corner of the world the nids are invading to undermine the enemy faction.
>>97979378People were more interested in the nids side of the box 3 years ago too.
I like the new orks but they are going to look strange next to the old ones, something about them this time round makes them look extra goofy
>>97977536why does it say 'unboxing;' but show a bunch of shit like stompas and gorkanauts
>>97979385When I looked on marketplace there were so many people selling the nid half, they are still trying to sell it to this day, always at a discount too
>>97979386>extra goofy? for me they look stronger than old orks that's why their will look weird
>>97979333get a job /v/ermin
>>97979386>>97979392I think they look really good.I also think they are way too busy and will be painful to paint up decently.
>tfw still dont have an ork skin recipe im happy withI really need to avoid just using plaguebearer flesh on everything
>>97979386They look fine, the only ones that look out of place are the 2021 ones.
>>97979437love how the original lineup of boyz are all pointing their guns forward except the beast snagga boy who is just giving a retard screech.
>>97979108>AgentsJust have them continue to be allies, and roll the Imperial navy detachment into Guard>CustodesWeird power level. Make them as a faction a wing of Grey Knights if you want to keep them around sorta like Harlequins in elves.>BAngelsThere's only a handful of models. Just make them fit into Codex Space Marines like Ultras>DaemonsPut them into respective god factions (without requiring a specific detachment to run them).>Imperial Knights Roll them into Admech. Give a couple detachments to Admech to retain functionality.
>>97978982>>97978950They still sold out within minutes of release lol
>>97979378I don’t know, I think its really swingy because this might be the worst side of any starter set box, but at the same time, I believe marinepiggies may be so voracious they might still buy enough marine sides to give a surplus to ork players.
>>97979485they didn'tkeep spinning your wheels trying to find a narrative for you to build up your scapegoat
Is it just me or the Orks part completely mogged the SM part?
>>97979487>saying this when dark vengeance exists
>>97979495Isn't just you... Marine part is underwhelming.
Its a good starter. I hope the seperation of rules and lore is start to free rules and better lore books. instead of half assed copy pasted rule books that are obsolete when sold.
>>97979495>Is it just me or (insert universally agreed upon truth here)
>>97979108>AgentsJust, come on. GW doesn't even want this to be a faction, find some other way to make a repository of cross imperium allies.>DeathwatchAt least one loyalist marine faction needs to fucking go and these guys have by far the least going for them>CustodesShould never have been an army, their presence makes everything around them wonky while diminishing their own significance within the setting. Ultimately you probably can't put that djinni back in it's bottle, but it doesn't hurt to try. >DaemonsThis one hurts the most. My preference for consolidating chaos would actually be to just roll all 3 cult legions back into CSM, but if I can only pick 1 then I guess we might as well rip the Daemon bandaid off at last. There's clearly a reason they didn't get a 10th edition codex, this is coming. Sooner or later. If there's any upside it would be that the most popular daemon models would likely be folded into the appropriate Chaos legions, which means that I as a CSM player would get to play with Be'lakor.>Leagues of VotannWho ACTUALLY gives a single fuck
>>97979495Not just you. Even as a non marine player it feels like some component is missing from that half. I'm not sure what it is, another vehicle, even a walker, would feel a bit overboard, but just more infantry or another couple characters seems like it would feel similarly underwhelming. Given that the ATV is retiring, maybe they should have just mirrored the Ork side and brought the attack bike back?
>>97978556>>97978570>>97978573>Extremely likely to get a "new" faction or sub-faction.and very soon.Iron Warriors standing-in for Dark Mechanicum.Word Bearers standing in for Lost & the Damned. Why? 1) Both have major still-living primarchs. 2) Lost & Damned plus Dark Mechanicum are established parts of the lore without models.>Likely to get a sub-faction but not a proper army.Aeldari Corsairs.Deathwatch back as a proper-ish codex.Aeldari Exodites.Why? Because Corsairs and Exodites are cool and already an established part of an already-popular army that could use a big "refresh" though probably not a proper army.>Unlikely to get an army, but maybe has potential in the far future.Kroot and a "Tau Auxiliary" army that is there to give Tau some actual allies ala GSC. Why? Because, Exodites aside, we don't really have a proper "wood elf" faction, or the "Predators" to go against the Tyranid "Aliens":
primaris portapotty
I love that new grot orderly, he looks like such a little shithead
>>97979529>the ATV is retiring,Any proof of that? Warhammer Community has not said anything about legends or removal that I saw.
>>97979108Why do so many fucking people hate Votann? They're not amazing, but they aren't doing anything bad, and "repurposed mining equipment as weapons" is good. They aren't even any more moral than the Tau.
>>97979549Same sources that leaked most of the contents of the box, as I recall, but I admit I couldn't point to a direct source. One of the first Primaris units being Legends'd along with Suppressors, allegedly.
>>97979560stop ban evading
>>97979560I don't hate Votann, there's nothing to hate because there's nothing to them.It's a teaspoon shallow johnny-come-lately faction who simply will not be missed if they were gone.
>>97977727Everything is becoming pushfit. Treasure all your kits with extra bits, because soon enough they'll all be gone.
>>97979529>>97979562I hope it happens since something as recent as that piece of trash getting squatted would mean that absolutely nothing is safe and is thus shitposting material
>single melee weapon profile for vanguard vetsit's over
I want to care about Votann, because they are the closest to "non-imperial high tech humans"...but I can't take fucking dwarves seriously. Bro why does your knees start at your hips?I guess I better stick to Tau.
>>97979108>Imperial Agents>Imperial Knights>Grey Knights>DeathwatchRoll them all into just being detachments for other Imperial armies.>Chaos KnightsJust remove them.
>>97979602trying too hard /v/ermin>>979796113 years too late to cry about this, nogames
>>97979611It might just be a starter set thing like the terminators of 10th
>>97979611>Mfw[Generic Power Weapon] >>> [Heirloom Vet Blades (AP-1)]
>>97979623>internet tough guy acting like a problem being revealed to have not been fixed isn't worth pointing out
Boy backsides
>>97979108>Imperial Knights.>Chaos Knights.Models are good. Running a 3-model stat-check army is bad gameplay. Merge Imperial Knights with Ad-Mech, and Chaos Knights with the eventual Iron Warriors / Dark Mech.>Imperial Agents.Nobody runs them and they're not really a proper army. Feels more like an excuse to put cool models without a "theme" into a single place.>Grey Knights.Grey Knights have a severe issue with non-Primaris models and there is no reason to buy them right now because you know the eventual refresh / squatting will wipe away all your effort.>Custodes.Borderline example because they feel like a raw stat-check army in some ways, and feels like it breaks the balance of the game a bit much as of now. Not because they're good or bad, but because they feel a bit weird for an army.
>>97979636sorry you thought you found something new to cry about and immediately got found out :(
With 11th having multiple characters in one unit, I imagine the numerous characters are all meant to be paired up in the new box.
>>979796362D power weapons > "heirloom weapons" of AP-1 D1
>>97979656yeah, some will be supports, some will be leaders
>97979647>completely ignoring what was even said(you)I'm not actually the guy who posted the image too>>97979659still shit compared to vets being able to take a pile of weapon options before 10th
>>97979656I hope I can bring an entire army with a single character (if any). That's how I did it, that's how I keep planning on doing it. HQ are points inefficient in it?
>>97979665you didn't even know about 40k before 2022
>97979668(you)
>>97979645>and Chaos Knights with the eventual Iron Warriors / Dark Mech.This shit is never happening
>>97979637mmmm so juicy…
>>97979670>indirect seethingthanks for admitting as much :)
>>97979623I'm aware of this and it is precisely the reason I'm disappointed, they got a kit refresh and *still* have a generic melee weapon profile. Please use critical thinking skills>>97979624Maybe, but I was expecting the two-hander to have a relic blade weapon profile
>>97979691you weren't aware of shit, larper
>>97979676holy shit you're even more obnoxious than the faggot you're arguing with
>>97979666In 10th they were the best way to buff your units, 11th actually seems like it’ll facilitate low character armies better with letting you bring enhancements on units without characters. But giving the Ancient’s gimmick of being a second character to attach to a unit to a whole “support” class of characters seems like buffing character heavy lists too.
>>97979637That's a whole lot of choppas
>>97979692what's your problem? Is it really that hard to believe someone was expecting improved wargear options for a refreshed kit after GW made a controversial change of neutering vanguard vet wargear options?
>>97979618Just make up a faction that works like Imperium forces in terms of tabletop rules but fight their own battles because the Imperium never rediscovered them.
>>97979665>vets being able to take a pile of weapon options before 10thDid anyone ever take any power weapons at all? The most mathematically efficient weapons were Claws or Hammers. I like D2 power weapons. They let me use all manner of different blades instead of going "all of you have the same 2D hammer"
>>97979691>Maybe, but I was expecting the two-hander to have a relic blade weapon profilewe gotta keep it shrimple for the lowest common denominator anon>>97979726he's just a baiting shitposter
I kind of like the new Gravis guys. I might buy the cheapest starter set with them in it.
>>97979734High tech. But yeah, I guess I can always play pretend
>>97979745Idk why Heavy Bolter eradicators. Are heavy intercessors not there, perhaps? Heavy bolters and heavy bolt rifles aren't that different
>>97979734I find GSC interesting because is the only way outside of Chaos to see humans fighting against Imperium
>>97979780>GSCThose mutts ain't human bro. Also, how come nobody ever realizes the are all always bald?
>>97979108Final tally on what people asked to be cut. I didn't include repeats from the same poster and I didn't make a distinction between "cut" and "fold into another army" and I ignored the ones that didn't follow the rules and listed more than 5 factions (but less than 5 were counted).Knights (Imperial & Chaos) - 10Adeptus Custodes - 9Imperial Agents - 8Leagues of Votann, Deathwatch - 6Grey Knights, Chaos Daemons - 3Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Genestealer Cults - 2Orks, Tyranids, Imperial Guard, Dark Eldar, Emperor's Children, Blood Angels - 1
>>97979780>humans
Do you proxy character models? The lore for /myguys/ expressly contradicts the lore for the character unit and detachment that I want to run...
>>97979108>Has severe problems.Imperial Knights.Chaos Knights.Imperial Agents.Grey Knights.>Needs more love.Votann.Genestealer Cults.Drukhari.Deathwatch.
>>97979800>The lore for /myguys/ expressly contradicts the lore for the character unit and detachment that I want to run...Can you explain in more detail please? I'm curious
>>97979768Heavy Bolt Rifles are just Bolt Rifles carried by Heavy Intercessors. Heavy Bolters are historically a special weapon like Melta and Plasma Guns, and if I’m not mistaken, the only Primaris Heavy Bolter is in the Company Heroes squad while the other one in the codex is in the Tactical Squad.
>>97979798What did Custodes do to deserve this?
>>97979726>hmm this kit had all these options and still only had one melee option for 3 years>wtf the new kit which has only been shown with swords only has one option still???you're a subhuman retard
>>97979810I run Custodes that pledged themselves to the Ethereals because they discovered the Emperor was a tyrant.
>>979798121 in 5 heavy intercessor can have a heavy bolter.
>>97979822Make marinefags feel one-upped by being more special than they are.More seriously, be a faction of only 10,000 guys in the entire galaxy somehow taking part in battles across a million worlds even though most of them are just supposed to be on Terra guarding the Emperor's corpse.I like the idea of being able to take like, a single squad of Custodes allied into an Imperial force, but they don't need to be a full army with a codex.
>>97979804>Has severe problemsLike existing? I agree>Needs to dissapearFtfy
>>97979838Man that's really stupid, but you can do whatever you want lmao
>>97979822Marineshit is so scrapped and the justification to give their own book to every single flavor are so petty is not a surprise.
>>97979798Thank you anon, you're doing God's work.>>97979822People prefer them as lore things. It's hard to justify why of the 1000 that exist, 30~ of them in your army will run around the galaxy doing things instead of guarding the Emperor.
>>97979822Merge Custodes and Grey Knights honestly...Deathwatch on the other hand is beyond redemption.
>>97979846Votann just need to be more like THE WALL i.e being the GALACTIC WALL against Tyranids.Genestealer Cults just need to be more Skaven.Drukhari need their Grotesques back.
>>97979860deathwatch makes infinitely more sense as an army you can play than GK or custodes, retard
>>97978178I think they're doing Librarians as support instead of leaders
I don't understand the constant need of fags in this thread to talk about how they want so many factions deleted from the setting. Why do you guys want your expansive, galactic massive war setting that was designed with the specific goal of being a vast kitchen sink sci-fantasy universe where anything can happen be reduced and simplified down smaller and more boring with less variety?The argument that less focus spread around different factions means more for your favorite one is stupid because most of the OG factions now have so many units they are struggling finding identities for all these redundant options. There comes a point where you can't really add much more to the same army, but you can add whole new armies instead.
>>97979863>Drukhari need their Grotesques back.And the rest, but that would be a nice start.
>>97979868I mean you're not wrong. Which is why I still have hopes for the Votann, GSC, and Drukhari. They just need to be treated for once as a valid enemy army for the Space Marines. GSC could very easily be made like the Skaven, being endless hordes of ambush militia that are a genuine empire-within-the-Imperium and they're growing in number. The ones I think are just kinda likely to get cut IMO are the types of armies that 1) The writing is already on the wall (Agents. Grey Knights) that they have severe issues or 2) They have severe gameplay issues (Knights).
>>97979864Nah, Grey Knights are actually unique enough to justify existing and have been around in various forms since Rogue Trader, including the extremely kino 3rd edition Daemonhunters Codex.Deathwatch are just "Marinier Marines" and were only created because business stakeholder faggots demanded that the Inquisitor RPG have Space Marines in it and the writers had to come up with a justification.
>>97979870Drukhari are down like twelve units now but the only one anyone ever remembers is Grotesques because thick city was so disgusting in 9th
>>97977559The characters are kinda shit. Proportions on the warboss are weird, axe is way too small, the weird boy and dok are monoposed trash. Nobz look great.
>>97979883Sure. But think of how easy it is to make a Deathwatch army. It's basically: Take Space Marines. Paint them black. Make Death Watch bits.It's so low-cost that not having them as an army sounds silly.
>>97979882>They just need to be treated for once as a valid enemy army for the Space Marines. GSC could very easily be made like the Skaven, being endless hordes of ambush militiaThey're already like this. GSC are in fact extremely fucking deadly lorewise. People forget how fucking ridiculously powerful Purestrain Genestealers are, they rip they heads off of Terminators like it's nothing. The original Space Hulk lore (which has been reprinted multiple times and never retconned) has the Blood Angels losing like 90% of their chapter to one hulk of a few thousand Genestealers.GSC have tons of those things plus all their mining weapons and stuff like aberrants and psychic mutants and just-as-planned tricks. They are legitimately a massive fucking threat, they aren't just random joe schmoes with autoguns. Even the basic hybrids are stronger, tougher, faster and better close combat fighters than a normal human.
I hope there’s beakies in the multipart versions of the SM kits.
>>97979906what you just posted sounds sillier, a whole army just for the sake of marine bits? wtf? milk hhfags for that purpose...
>>97979810I'm running Aeldari Corsairs using the Eldritch Raiders detachment. Yriel, the once High Admiral of craftworld Iyanden, leads the Eldritch raiders. He's a pretty important character in the lore and for the detachment.The idea for /myguys/ is that they have a (somewhat one-sided) grudge against the Eldritch Raiders after they had a number of "their" prey "stolen" by said Eldritch Raiders. They have named themselves the Black Kraken Corsairs after Hive Fleet Kraken which more or less wiped out craft world Iyanden.It doesn't make a ton of sense to run Yriel in a faction that explicitly named themselves after the thing that killed most of his craftworld. But again he's pretty central to the detachment, and the detachment is literally called Eldritch Raiders.
>>97979906That is not a good reason to have a whole extra codex. Just put them in Imperial Agents.
I miss vehicle armor valuesTemplatesAnd snottlings
>>97977581Just for once I wish they'd release an ork vehicle with identifiable parts from another faction.
>>97979927Corsairs only having named and no generic characters was an extremely stupid move.Almost as stupid as making the Ynnari literally only work with one single named character present as warlord of every battle they take place in both mechanically AND in the lore.
>>97979906Army?? Just give them a detachment. All the space marine armies should just be detachments for base marines.
>>97979868This arguments are always like a scream to the void because in the end James will do whatever he wants and investors allow. More marines? Ok, new faction? We will see, cut a faction? This is not profitable anymore into an existing codex And that's it
>>97979943Ynnari was supposed to be the start of souping Eldar and squatting DE but GW got new management and cancelled a ton of their original plans for post-Primaris era, especially after the massive backlash of the original Age of Sigmar launch and Primaris controversies.
Can I run a demons/chaos knights army?
>>97979891I hear you, and GW expected us to cheer for Midlyss like that was something that we needed as though they hadn't gutted us of the Court ('oh but you can use the hand of the archon instead tee-hee'), the entire beasts catalogue and the only remotely heavy ordinance vehicles barring perhaps the 'Raven.
>>97979947>>97979920>>97979931Maybe I confused army with detachment. Yes. A detachment for Deathwatch would be enough.
>>97979970>and GW expected us to cheer for MidlyssI forget they even released that pity model
>>97979823>GW neuters old kits to push new product>old kit gets refreshed so naturally GW would give it improved rules to push itit's really that simple, retard
>>97977695So they still have bolt rifle slop, eh?
>>97979970Are you the guy with the hilariously long bullet list of all the grievances the DE fans have against GW for how many times they've been fucked over throughout 10th edition? The funniest thing is I think most of it is just negligence and not actually malice. They literally forget your faction exists most of the time
>>97979494They did though, I remember people scalping the box with the Brutalis to get the models earlier. Idk why this matters so much to you. Every single marine release sells out within minutes.
>>97980005I regret to say I have not been keeping a book of grudges, those were just off of the top of my head.
>>97980018That's a shame. Someone had been compiling a list and I think it was already two full posts long due to character limit and that was before the fuck up with the Maelstrom box
>>97979108>>Space Wolves>>Blood Angels>>Dark Angels>>Black TemplarsMerge all of these into a shared divergent chapters book.>>Grey Knights>>Deathwatch>>Adeptus CustodesMerge into Imperial Agents.>>Imperial KnightsMerge into Admech or Agents. Retain rules to let you take one big or a few smalls as allies in any Imperium army.>>Chaos Knights>>Chaos DaemonsMerge into an Agents of Chaos book alongside all the DAMNED units from CSM that can ally in with any other Chaos army. One detachment can take Guard vehicles to do traitor guard armies while another can take Daemon Engines to run DarkMech armies. Cult Legions get unlimited access to their respective god's daemons. >>Genestealer CultsMerge into Tyranids.>>Leagues of VotannObliterate.
>>97977536I kneel before AoS.
>>97980047Merging GSC into Tyranids made sense back when they only had like 6 of their own units and everything else was borrowed from Guard.Now though, no fucking way. They're a full army, literally have as many units as Space Marines did circa 3rd/4th edition.
>>97979108Eliminate all except Votann. Then add more armies from Destiny.
I get the feeling that 11th edition is going to be a record low for Marines getting new stuff. Not that they won't get new kits, but that they'll get almost no new units at all for any of their factions.
>>97980062Marinefags already get so much, so is that saying instead of 99% of everything they'll just get 90% or 75%?
>>97980057So two armies will double their rosters. Sounds good.
>>97980057nta but while I don't think they should be merged into one army it definitely wouldn't hurt for them to be able to mix units more
>>97980062What would Marines even need? I suppose Chapter Units would be some obvious lay-ups.
>>97980062They're getting a primach
>>97980077They don't need this in the codexes or whatever, they just need GW to fix the ally rules in general.
>>97980079Eradicators with Lascannons. Just because :^)
>>97980062With so much shit over the years and the Primaris stuff why would they need anything? Focus on other things
>>97980079breachers
>>97980079there's at least seven more primarchs to release, the rest of the vehicle pool and whatever special/heavy weapons need releasing as an arbitrarily separate unit profile plus whatever special characters that still aren't primarised
What is the most competitive titan list you can come up with?
>>97980101>>97980101>>97980101New thread
>>97980079>needMarines don't get what they "need", GW will just make up units because the pay piggy faction needs more slop for the trough. They'll make a specialized intercessor unit for every weapon in the Imperium's arsenal, they'll make a primaris-scale Rhino and Predator, they'll pull whatever they can out of their ass and Marine players will buy it.
>>97980110And then they'll start from the beginning again once they run out of concepts but with bigger marines
>>97977536>thin lizzybased
>>97979108Imperial KnightsChaos KnightsImperial AgentsDark EldarChaos Daemons.
>>97979378..maaaaybe but marine players still outnumber any one xenos armies audience like 100-1
>>97979618>I want to care about Votann, because they are the closest to "non-imperial high tech humans".That's fucking boring though.>We're humans that have none of your interesting flaws, excuse the giant thinking head plz & thx
