>We go to Tavern and get drunk and eat! Then we go to Inn and sleep!No! Medieval taverns and inns are a DND myth. They were invented only during the early modern period. You know what the early modern period is right? 15th century and later, that's NOT medieval, which DND is.You know what did exist during medieval times? ALEHOUSES. Run by alewives. They sell ale to make money. From their houses. Literally houses turned into ale selling. That's it, no taverns.You want a drink? Best be sure you're on good terms with the alewife... you'll be linched if the alewife hates you!Want to eat? It's called Perpetual Stew. Alehouses have a pot full of eternally boiling slop. Everyone puts vegetables and meat inside. If you want to go inside an alehouse you'd better bring vegetables and meat. It's awful vile stuff... but you don't eat Perpetual Stew for gourmet, you EAT IT TO SURVIVE!No such thing as inns in Medieval Europe. You want to sleep while traveling? You need to beg someone to sleep in his house. You can't do that, you can't sleep in the town. That's why you need good Cha.Want to get a room and bed in town? Time to roll Cha... oh and remember, you're judged by whichever one of you has lowest Cha... sorry 'party face,' it's the 1 Cha wizard who has to roll... rolled a nat 1? Hahaha... there's FATAL POISON in the Perpetual Stew you get... and the villagers stab you in sleep, again and again and over and over!
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Good thing we’re playing fantasy then, so I can include my comf tavern inn without breaking immersion :)
In Rarzshysz, Poland, archeologists discovered the ruins of a massive stone tavern dating to around the year 1000. It had not only more than a dozen rooms intended for guests, it had what appears to have been an elaborate kitchen that included ovens for baking, spits for roasting, and the precursor to the blender, powered by a hand crank, and intended for smoothies according to the recipe chart found nearby.
>15th century is not middle agesFuck off nigger. Shoulda left the negro in africa where he belongs
>>97980900trying too hard
>>97980900Bro, taverns were the primary meeting places (not counting church) of the majority of villages in 14th century France. You are an actual, straight up liar and a bad one at that. You should feel ashamed for trying to mislead people regarding historical record.
>>97980900Don't care about your autism, I'm gonna keep doing it because I don't run historicals, gargle my fat fucking nuts you spergy little shitfaggot.
>>97981005I think I saw the exact video he is referencing, which was more about medieval england rather than medieval europe as a whole
I love it when someone comes to /tg/ and makes a thread based on a YouTube video that's even stupider than when someone makes a YouTube video based on a /tg/ thread.
>>97980900Cool history anon. But I dont care, you will sit in the tavern, get absolutely shit faced and then sleep in the tavern rooms with the rest of your party and you will like it.
>>97981032>the oldest inn in Englandokay maybe it is maybe it isn't but people in the old world tend to literally just lie about that kind of thing, if it's burned down 4 times, moved twice, and simply did not exist for some interim period of a couple hundred years, they still count it as the same.
>>97980900False, taverns, inns, khans, caravanserais, and many other types of places where travellers could rest and eat were all over the world. By the high medieval era
>>97981047I was just using it as an image of a tavern cause its my favourite pub
>>97981058they almost certainly existed, but mostly in larger towns with consistent traffica small village would likely not have a dedicated tavern or inn since not enough people pass through to make it worthwhile, which is presumably what OP was referring to but was too brain damaged to articulate
>>97980900>medieval, which DND isNo.
>>97980900Tell us about how all the medieval folk survived the massive fire-breathing dragons flying around, next.
OP please tell us how medieval ale had lower alcohol content than modern beers, average lifespans were only low because of infant mortality, and people actually wore colourful clothing back then.
>>97980900Man you're gonna have an aneurysm when you find out none of the monsters in the book ever existed in Europe either
A group of armed strangers approaching together would be seen as a threat. Of course you send the most charming guy first to do the talking.
>>97980900Boring old pasta. Play games.
>>97980900>DND>medievalTell us more about medieval full plate armor.
>>97981238>please tell us how medieval ale had lower alcohol content than modern beersthey could make them as strong as modern beers if they wanted, and they did, its just that much weaker small beers existed>average lifespans were only low because of infant mortality,almost certainly lower than modern times, but not the "you were old at 40" levels of exaggerationif you discount infant mortality, average lifespan was closer to 60 with 70 not being so unbelievable > and people actually wore colourful clothing back then.see above: they werent nearly as bright as modern colors, and they didnt really have some colors like blue or purplebut yellow, red, brown were not prohibitively expensivewhile taverns definitely were a thing back then, so OP is wrong about thatbut a relatively small village where people could live and die within the same 30 km circle, there might not be a dedicated drink house
>>97980900Early modern is medieval for all our culture cares or medieval is early modern if you prefer m, for every way we care about culturally. >Most writing in the medieval era is from early modern writers and historians. >has horses, armor, swords>still agricultural Unless you specifically want a historical game it’s a fine anachronism.
>>97981016Bongs never beating the accusations of being a backwards shithole even by medieval Europe standards
>>97982133You are brown
>>97980900With plate armour, rapiers, and guns, most D&D settings are explicitly renaissance era at the earliest.
>>97980900Taverns date back to late Middle Ages, if not earlier, and at any rate, DnD's not medieval, it's DnD.
>>97980900You sound like a fag.
>>97981786A lot of dye colors commonality depended on where you're talking about. Purple was particularly rare for a long time since it required something like 12,000 snails to make just 1.4 grams of dye, but blue was pretty common since woad cultivation was fairly widespread even before the medieval times.
>>97980900D&D settings cover a lot of culture and technology from about a 700 year window of European history. The fact that they have full plate and rapiers already throws the entire "medieval" descriptor out the window, which is why D&D hasn't used it in any official material decades.
>>97980900There were taverns in ancient Rome before the year 0 AD. You are a faggot.
>>97981238>medieval ale had lower alcohol content than modern beersDreadful if true since most beer tastes indistinguishable from water.
>>97983039The type he's talking about were lower alcohol content but much higher caloric and vitamin values. You can occasionally find attempts to replicate them being sold at brewery shops and small bars, they have a lot stronger taste than the average modern mass production beer but are also more expensive since they don't necessarily scale well for mass production.
Taverns in Europe can be traced all the way back to Roman time, OP is a faggot.
>>97980900You sound like a retard who watched 2 episodes of Tasting History with Max Miller.
>Medieval taverns and inns are a DND myth.OP's post sucks from what is technically the fourth sentence but is really the first substantial sentence. It doesn't get any better.>medieval, which DND isFalse premise.>You want to sleep while traveling? You need to beg someone to sleep in his house. You can't do that, you can't sleep in the town.False. People could seek accommodation at monasteries, inns etc.>You know what did exist during medieval times?Inns, taverns, alehouses, guesthouses, hospitals, monasteries, nunneries. Hospitals, places that provided hospitality, and guesthouses often being associated with religious houses.>No such thing as inns in Medieval Europe.Yes there were. They existed from before the Medieval period, all through it, into the Modern.>Perpetual StewOP complains, complete wrongly, about things existing in make believe which he says didn't exist in real life, so it's no surprise then that he continues the wrongness by claiming the existence of something make believe that didn't exist in real life. All evidence points against this existing due to known medieval cooking practises and food availability (it was hard enough to get sufficient food let alone surplus food), legal (not allowed to have a fire at night in urban area) and practical (risk of fire in own home, difficulty in getting enough firewood) prohibitions against a sustained fire preventing microbial spoilage, persistence of thermally stable pathogens and toxins, religious prohibition against eating animal flesh (other than fish and things that count as fish under religious fictions) on Fridays, a lack of primary sources detailing the practice.Hope OP enjoyed all the (you)s in this fucking miserable misinformation bait thread.
>>97986120this is the video that OP probably watched and then though that its a good idea to make a pointless thread about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IPQIl-FiCY&t=405sit doesnt actually say taverns do not exist at all, so OP didnt even watch the video, but that small farming villages might not have one because the population is too small to support it and would instead just have alehouses of people propping up chairs in front of their house rather than a permanent structure whose only business is selling alethe video also doesnt tell you to remove inns and taverns entirely, just to give them more flavor based on how accommodations looked pre 15th century so if your players are off-the-beaten path where few travellers go, then the "inn" is just a guy who has an extra bed and the "tavern" is a some guys yard with a sign on topor multi-purpose buildings like the tavern being another establishment with kegs on the wallsOP doesnt mention this video anywhere, but its obvious they used it as the basis for this post with the large emphasis on ALEHOUSE NOT TAVERN
>>97986120>>97986179Perpetual Stew WAS the most historical tavern food you numnuts.
>>97980900>. It's awful vile stuff... but you don't eat Perpetual Stew for gourmet, you EAT IT TO SURVIVE!I take greater exception to this lie than the others. It's basically pot roast. It's delicious. I'll fight you naked.
>>97980937are there not literally pubs that contain the records and proof they're from like 900AD and shit?
>>97982435>The fact that they have full plate and rapiers already throws the entire "medieval" descriptor out the window,It doesn't.The medieval era is usually said to have ended sometime between the late 1400s and mid 1500s AD.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages#Full plate armour dates to the early 1400s, so is very certainly medieval.Rapiers came about in the early-mid 1500s, but what is often identified as "rapiers" by the general public are actually side swords and estocs, which are from the late 1400s.>which is why D&D hasn't used the "medieval" descriptor in any official material decades.Might have something to do with DnD being owned by Hasbro who are more focused on the dwarves baking gay cookies than on the historical inspirations of the setting.When we're talking about a setting where instead of armies marching in pike and shot formation, they are typically knights and archers and the like, it makes no sense to call it an "early modern" setting just because a handful of swords might be 30 odd years outside the mediaeval window. It's medieval.
>>97980900*takes a fat shit over your hema autism* history is for tranny and shitskins
>>97980900This is the midwit take. Idiots who don't know shit love taverns, inns, and adventurers guilds. midwits can't have fun because they are so busy nitpicking everything. Galaxy brained chads are aware of the anachronism and don't care.
>>97980900Not only did tavern like places exist as far back as Roman times. You also had festivals like every other week and a major reason why the church was so popular was because the church back in the middle ages wasn't like how going to church is today. You would have festivals and use it as a meeting place where peasants would get hammered. Often times the church was the tavern. There would also be places like waystations, trading posts, certain fortifications where travelers would spend time between A and B and you can bet your ass people were drinking together at designated "let's get wasted here" spots.
>>97984908>>97980900>>97986179Or maybe it was inspired by this:>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRyDdz9XIeUSeems to be a popular subject recently for whatever reason.
>>97980900Good thing D&D uses fictional fantasy settings depicting a pastiche of pseudo-historical aesthetics rather than strictly adhering to real phenomena, then.
>>97986713and if your characters spend most of their time travelling along major thoroughfares between large cities, then structures for supporting travellers like inns are entirely accurate anyways
>>97980937where the fuck is "Rarzshysz"there is no place by that namedid you make it up, anon?
You know what? my next game is going to have potatoes, corn, tobacco, glass windows and tankards, taverns, brigandine, arming swords called "long swords", electrum pieces, aerated bread, and whatever ye olde fucke it is that "plate mail" is supposed to be, just to piss you off.Fuck historyfags.
