A place for discussion of pre-WotC D&D, OSR retroclones, and OSR-adjacent games.>Is this a general?No, just a place to discuss OSR and related content>Isn't there an OSR thread already?No, current regulars of /osrg/ have made it clear they only want to see a specific subset of OSR games in the thread.This means the name /osrg/ is somewhat misleading but that's their problemPlease report and ignore any trolling.Thread question as cont. from >>97974876>tables overflowing to next page, what were they thinking?
OSR is just about 1e so idk what you are talking about?
>>97981707My friends have recommended this book. Is it good?
>>97981717I would not know that isn't a 1E book.
>>97981707>OSR is just about 1eBased and BrOSR pilled. Do you lift?
>>97981722It's about the DMG 1e Appendix N and how it influenced the development of D&D, particularly 1e. So it's as close to 1e as you'll ever get short of being actually 1e.
>>97981729Why not just play 1E?
>>97981722>>97981729I still haven't read it, though, so I don't know of it's actually good. The Amazon page says the author is a three times Hugo Award finalist/nominee.
>>97981732My friends say that if I internalise the Appendix N "source material" that'll make me a better DM.
>>97981724Yeah.
>>97981736You can just read appendix N books. Retard.
>>97981738Did you submit to Rome?
>>97981741But they say that the author's comments on how the source material influenced 1e are useful. I'm thinking of using it as a guidebook to the full Appendix N books. Read a section of the book, then read the actual books by that author.
>>97981744I do not live near Italy.
>>97981748If you really need a fucking reading guide to read books you are too retarded to play 1e.
>>97981749But the Pope is a based AD&D Cleric. Look, he even uses blunt weapons to keep his vow not to spill blood.
>>97981753Thanks for bullying me to make me a better person. That's what true bros do to one another.
>>97981767No problem senpai.
>>97981691Yet another spergy attempt to hijack /osrg/ by slightly renaming it, jannies please remove.
>>97981759I ain't catholic either let alone christian. Pope means nothing to me.
>>97981717It's a great book. Do read the Appendix N books as well, but don't listen to the smelly nerd telling you to ONLY read Appendix N books, Jeffro's is an extremely interesting guide to it, full of insightful comments.
>>97981792I'm praying for you, bro.
>>97981791nothis thread and the "osrg" while having an intersection have different scopes thank you for understanding and goodbye
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>>97981717>a guide to a fucking list of bookssounds like an exercise in pretentious masturbatory ego-jerkmaybe it's good, but by the few blogposts I've read the dude is just an angry boy obsessing over twitter posts with little to no affinity towards writingso it's probably notyou can try though>$25 + shipping + tax + tipnevermind I thought it was a free download
>>97981847The BrOSR feels threatened by nobody, smelly nerd. Talk about games.
>>97981868>smelly nerd doesn't know all books are freeDo you even lift, bro?
>>97981847>I guess we just sort of have to endure itAnother BrOSR victory.
>>97981847>simpsons memeplebbit tourist detectedthis is not how 4chan rollslurk moar
>>97981842I guess that's why your whole OP refers to /osrg/ in salty terms, huh? Eg:>>97981691>current regulars of /osrg/ have made it clear they only want to see a specific subset of OSR games in the threadNah, as you know well all OSR games are welcome in /osrg/. Just leave discussion of off-topic games out. This is the same rule as for every general on the board. /3eg/ isn't about 2e. Neither is /osrg/.
>>97981759Kinda sexy.
>>97981691What book does this?
Do not engage the osrg trolls. They are here to shit up the thread. Report and entire them. Do not feed trolls
>>97981717The writer is some blogger who's been largely ostrasized from the OSR community for trying to push the dumbest ideas and generally being malignant. Looking at some of his blog entries, I have no doubt it's a terrible book filled with misinformation.
>>97981717It seems a deep dive into those classic works and looks to be an interesting read. It's on my too read list. I say get it if you like this kind of book where the author dives into a topic.
>>97982364I had a feeling it was just the BrOSR/osrg trolls being dumbasses.
>>97981847>They jump over to it and try flooding it shitpostWhat kind of subhuman pidgin is this, you literal retard. Kill yourself.
>>97981722I don't think they can make you a better GM But it can help you understand the mindset of the ers
>>97982374I actually predicted they would do something like this in the last thread.>>97976777>They saw that this thread was more popular than their own, so like always they had to come over to it so that they could later try to claim it only looked like it was more popular because they were trolling in it.Still more than half the thread was absent of their presence, so not bad this time around. They're probably going to try to flood any subsequent thread earlier though with their thread-killing trolling/shilling though.So, on today's menu, their form of shilling/trolling is going to be shilling Jeffro Johnson, a self-affirmed BrOSR, who is routinely ridiculed for his "how to win D&D" book that essentially argues that the best way to play D&D is to make it a job, including infamously using an extreme version of "1:1 real time", something even many other BrOSR think is dumb.Appendix N is probably even worse, because it's just a guy who can't write giving really bad opinions on books. In the reviews, someone mentions how Jeff hates on Zelazny, and I don't think much more needs to be said about how retarded Jeff must be.
>>97982364>Generic seething with no actual concrete criticism.>ESL retard spelling errors.Hello, fishfag.
>>97982427>I actually predicted they would do something like this in the last thread.We actually explicitly told you that since this is an OSR thread and we are interested in the OSR, we will be posting here, you fucking mongoloid.
>>97982450>mask offThank you for the confirmation.I guess we can all just let these guys continue to try to shill and troll while ignoring them and letting every post they add just contributes to the "How obsessed are these guys" counter.
>>97981717It's a pretty good book. Don't listen to the haters who obviously haven't read it.
>>97982427>Jeff hates on Zelazny,>bad writer hates on a good writerI think the fundamental forces that guide the BROSR have to be jealousy and spite.
>>97982465lmao you're trying to play it cool but you're obviously really upset.
>>97982481>Another smelly nerd having a meltdown when faced with the gaming superiority and physique of the BrOSR and at the baseness of their community.
>>97982481It's probably a mix of every bad emotion.That, plus the weird "obsessive" attitude they have.>>97982488+1
>>97982465>mask offunc
>>97982493Everybody stands in awe of the BrOSR's rediscovery and revival of jeffrogaxian time, Bronsteen, adversarial play, and patron play.From the "historians" who never actually played, let alone understood, the games they were publishing overpriced books about.Through the Dragonsfoot and K&KA nerds who claimed they had been doing it all along, and yet they can't point to a single forum post proving it.To a myriad of youtube influencers who all started talking about Braunstein and 1:1 time years after the BrOSR started experimenting with them, and yet they never give credit to Jeffro, because they are emasculated "men", and like all castrati they have adopted a feminized perspective and lost all integrity. But they are still too afraid to try patrol play and embrace the wargaming roots of D&D.To the haters in this thread, who criticise without understanding, let alone read, the genius of the BrOSR.Meantime, the BrOSR goes from triumph to triumph and keeps on being the core driving force keeping D&D alive in these dark times.Keep lifting, bros! I'm praying for you.
>>97981691>tables overflowing to next page, what were they thinking?Book formatting is an art. I actually took a few courses on it way back in the day, and worked with some really talented people who really went above and beyond in regards to playing with how words fit on a page.Kind of why a lot of the old books are almost painful to me. Having no computers and no budget are valid excuses, but they are some ugly, ugly books.Though, I think I prefer their "charm" over some of the "We just put text in a generic template" soulless stuff that we see with a lot of lazy designers these days.
>>97982562Fuck yeah! The BrOSR is bringing the light back to /tg/. Hate us all you want, but you WILL be following in our footsteps, because our absolute superiority is undeniable.
>>97982427>who is routinely ridiculed for his "how to win D&D" bookTha book hasn't even come out yet, and yet you're so afraid of the BrOSR you talk about that book as if you've read it. That's how bad your meltdown is right now.You act like a dickless terrified man-child with no muscles and no gaming table. Be better. Make a man out of yourself. Start lifting weights. Pray to Jesus.
>>97981691>Thread question as cont. from >>97974876>>tables overflowing to next page, what were they thinking?Great TQ, Anon! Thank your for posting it. It's a very important question.
>>97982566>Book formatting is an art. I actually took a few courses on it way back in the day, and worked with some really talented people who really went above and beyond in regards to playing with how words fit on a page.That's a really interesting take. It'll certainly improve my games. Such great food for thoughts. I love this thread.
>>97981691>Thread question as cont. from >>97974876>tables overflowing to next page, what were they thinking?Fantastic TQ, Anon. I really don't like tables overflowing too the next page. What do YOU think they thought they were doing?
>>97982566This is true, layout can be an art even with computers. Not only that but those early books clearly are amateur jobs.
>>97982566>>97982605>>97982613>>97982616Indeed, book formatting is an art. If you don't pay attention, next thing you know, you'll find yourself with a book with a table overflowing to the next page. That's pretty bad!
>>97982618Wow, you think that too! So many great minds in this thread, all agreeing that overflowing tables are bad. This is the kind of organic, interesting discussion I'm looking for in a thread, from Anons who actually play games.
>>97981691>>97982566>>97982618Thanks for this insightful and organic discussion on overflowing tables and book formatting. It's a nice breath of fresh air after all the trolls talking about irrelevant topics like Braunstein, 1:1 time, Patron Play, and Mass Combat.Let's talk about formatting. Do you prefer italics or slanted text when mentioning a spell?
>>97982645Great question, Anon. I think slanted text looks nice, but it doesn't always stand out on the page as much as italics does. The most important thing is not to have overflowing tables, though.
>>97982645Do you prefer italics or slanted text when mentioning a spell?Where? Just in the general text body?
>>97982654>I think slanted text looks nice, but it doesn't always stand out on the page as much as italics does.That's a very interesting take and very relevant for my games. I had never thought of it in these terms. Here's a screenshot to help other Anons understand what we're talking about.
>>97982671NTAYRT. I think he means when, in a rulebook, you refer to a spell. Often happens with monsters when they can use a spell-like effect, and you want to refer to the spell. See picrel.
>>97982691That's exactly what I meant, thanks, fellow Computer Modern font appreciator.
>>97982697Ooooh, you make me blush. Computer Modern has its detractors, but when you see a document typeset in it you KNOW it won't have overflowing tables unless it's a very intentional choice by the editor-author.Say no to the BrOSR! Say no to talking about games! Say no to overflowing tables! Talk about document formatting instead.
...what is wrong with these BrOSR trolls?There's something genuinely psychotic about them.
>>97982708Enough talking about the BrOSR trolls, don't feed them. Stay on topic. Talk about the TQ instead. Here it is again:>tables overflowing to next page, what were they thinking?I'd love to hear your take on it.
>>97981691>TQ>tables overflowing to next page, what were they thinking?What kind of fucking retarded TQ is that?Is this a self-own, irony, false flagging, trollbaiting, or genuine mental retardation?
>>97982708The last thread proved too popular. This is how scared they are.Just wait it out. We did last thread, had some good discussion, and when they tried flooding/trolling again, we just waited it out, came back and had some good discussion, and then had to wait again. It's not ideal, but when you share the board with autistic manchildren who try to solve all their problems with tantrums, it's really just what you have to do.
>>97982726Yeah, when I read it I thought it might be the /osrg/ trolls false flagging and writing such a retarded TQ to make fun of us.
>>97982730>The last thread proved too popular.
>>97982730>had some good discussionMeh, I don't know. Practically of the discussion was about ACKS.
>>97982730Stay on topic. What do you think of overflowing tables?
>>97982738Nah, that was just you shilling. There was plenty of real discussion in between your shitposting, which is probably why you're here rather than in your containment thread. You're desperate even to remember what real people talking sounds like. You really should go back to the /osrg/, but if your goal is just to show exactly why everyone left the /osrg/ and made you so lonely, by all means, waiting you out isn't exactly hard to do.
>>97982730>Be fishfag>Get gangraped by /osrg/ Anons for an entire thread>The only actual discussion was about ACKS, and he was proved to be lying about it multiple times, e.g. about how ACKS has feats it doesn't and doesn't support exploration it does and you have to pick the adventuring proficiency you don't, it's automatic for all classed characters.>"We had some good discussion".
>>97982754You're just adding fuel.Ignore them.
>>97982754>There was plenty of real discussionKeep telling yourself that. You're like a gang rape victim talking to herself to make herself feel better.
>>97982757Yes, stay on topic. What do you think of overflowing tables?
>>97982465>I guess we can all just let these guys continue to try to shill and troll while ignoring them>Meanwhile: the thread has absolutely no content besides the "shilling"
>>97982562trvke
>>97982613Indeed, this thread is interesting and informative. Book formatting is an art! How true. I'll be using this at my table, together with thin dungeon walls.
>>97982768You're right. Let's provide some constructive content.>What is Jeffrogaxian Time?Jeffrogaxian Time (named after blogger Jeffro Johnson’s interpretation of Gary Gygax’s rules) is strict 1:1 timekeeping. It means that for every day that passes in the real world, exactly one day passes in the game world. If your group doesn't meet for a week, your characters have spent seven days of "downtime" in the game. Why people praise it:>The "Living World" Effect: It prevents the "level 1 to godhood in two weeks" problem. Characters actually have to spend months recovering from wounds or training, making their growth feel earned.>Multi-Party Logistics:Since the calendar is fixed to the real world, different adventuring groups can exist in the same world simultaneously without running into "time paradoxes.">Meaningful Choices:If a dungeon is a three-day trek away, you can't just "fast-travel" there. You have to commit to those days. If a limited-time event is happening in a nearby city, you might actually miss it if you're stuck in a hole somewhere.>Anti-Save Scumming:You can't "pause" mid-dungeon. If the session ends while you're in the middle of a crawl, your character is effectively stuck there in real-time, which adds massive stakes to getting back to a "safe zone" before the clock runs out. It’s basically the ultimate "hardcore mode" for old-school campaign management. Again, my bad for the previous nonsense.>QuestionHave you tried Jeffrogaxian time? What was your experience with it?
>>97982683>>97982691Thanks for these thoughts! This is so organic.
>>97982562>To the haters in this thread, who criticise without understanding, let alone read, the genius of the BrOSR.Let alone ACTUALLY TRYING jeffrogaxian time at the table.
>>97982734Everything is a false flag, including every post in this thread. They are all written – organically! – by Chechen terrorists trying to cast blame on Putin.
>>97982730>We did last thread, had some good discussionIt's true, there were some solid convos about ACKS between all the trolling. I'm glad we're all dedicated to maintaining the ACKS general even in the face of the Fishfag freakout.
>>97982798Unironically the only effortposts in this thread are>>97982683>>97982691and>>97982783but I guarantee you next thread fishfag will be saying that this was a very successful thread with lots of organic discussion.
>>97982562Based and muscular.
>>97982802>but I guarantee you next thread fishfag will be saying that this was a very successful thread with lots of organic discussion.In his defence, excrement is literally 100% organic matter.
>>97981868>sounds like an exercise in pretentious masturbatory ego-jerkGuaranteed.
>>97982347The 1e AD&D DMG does this a bunch.
>>97982904Eh it was a pretty amature product, likely made with only a handful of tools. If any
What TSR setting did you wanna get into but never got a chance? For me it was Al-Qadim. Always looked fun but just didn't have the time, money or group interest for it back in the day.
>>97982964>2etard>doesn't playname a more iconic duo
>>97982964I've long wanted to run a game in the Auran Empire, but I think I'll finally be getting a chance next month with my group, since the current DM's campaign will end / go on hiatus.NGL, I'm pretty stoked.
>>97982964This is an OSR thread, so Al Qadim is off-topic. You can post about it on /todd/, though.
>>97982950>amatureLean to speak English, you fucking ESL retard
>>97982964Al-Q feels unnecessary. I'm all down for the theme, but I'd rather just do my own research and not get tied up with a setting that never really went anywhere.Even just reading through 1001 nights seems like a better use of time than reading through Al-Q.
>>97983011>Even just reading through 1001 nights seems like a better use of time than reading through Al-Q.That holds for pretty much all later TSR settings. They were made to be read, not to be played in, and reading an actual book is guaranteed to be a much better use of your time.Add it to the long list of reasons that the OSR cut-off date is around 1983-ish.
>>97982964>For me it was Al-Qadim.Why anyone would want to run a campaign in an inferior culture, when you have plenty of settings inspired by superior cultures like Europe, East Asia, and the Eastern Mediterranean before it was Arabised?
>>97983022Sad but true.
>>97983052Yeah, Islamophiliac settings never made any sense to me either. That's something to mourn, not something to celebrate. Look at the conditions they are in now.But a game in pre-Islamic Persia and the pre-Islamic East Mediterranean would be based. That's pretty much what Macris has done with the Auran Empire, which is why I'm so looking forward to it.
>>97983069It's, the cuckization of D&D. Started with 2e, and reached its apex with 5e 2024 with Mexican Orcs and non-evil Goblins.Thankfully the pendulum is starting to swing back, and we're reclaiming what's actually ours. Remember that the truth will prevail, and these decades will be remembered in shame by a reborn society and a renewed old school D&D.Fight on, Anon
>>97983086Deus vult, Anon.Deus vult.
>>97982783Based, pumped and shredded
>>97982964>>97983011Al-Qadim really doesn't get the love it deserves. Getting foriegn cultures right can be tricky, but it's at least not like the travesty that was Gygax's Oriental Adventures which was basically a midwestern guy who barely understood his own state, let alone foreign countries.Al-Qadim is pretty well put-together, and did the smart thing of embracing a vague "hollywoodness" and not trying to get too authentic, which it really couldn't be because it's got plenty of other mythologies crammed in like elves and dwarves and what not.
>>97983086>>97983092It's crusade o' clock.And we're fixin' to kill some orcs.Have some Winged Hussars.
>>97983111>Getting foriegn cultures right can be trickycuck
>>97983109Thanks, Anon. Have a Palästinalied.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMnXhAFW0vc
>>97983142NTAYRTGoosebumps.Apparently both the text and the music have survived from the time of the Fifth Crusade.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pal%C3%A4stinalied
>>97983160Yeah, if you understand German it hits twice as hard. I thank the Crusaders for their sacrifice. This music puts the Al-Qadim 2etards to shame.
>>97983162Fear not, Anon. Praise our Lord Jesus Christ, lift weights, play AD&D by the book, and our Children's children will retake Jerusalem and Constantinople, and burn the heretic 2e books at the stake. Deus vult.
>>97983111Is OA really that bad?
>>97983249No, it's pretty good. Anon's just trolling.
>>97983249It hasn't aged well. The mechanics are pretty awkward, and while there's nothing egregiously offensive, everything is still written with a very 1980's two-steps-removed-from-the-truth style that feels pretty quaint in a time where people are a lot more familiar and have much more direct experience with East Asian culture and media.It's like a 3 Ninjas version of Asia.
>>97982994ACKs settings are not TSR>>97983011Never got to read it so can't say if I feel it's good or not. Both the theme does call to me.>>97983022I played the living fuck out of a bunch of TSR settings.>>97983111That's good, a lot of stuff from the era is.. questionable when it comes to non European cultures. I need to at lest get the PDF and give it a look.
>>97983249It's weird. Ruleswise.Gygax was trying out a bunch of ideas, and announced they were supposed to be the direction that AD&D would be moving in general, but he got fired and they made 2e without him. Which, looking at OA, might have been us all dodging a bullet.The asian flavor is okay. The rules were a dead end.
>>97983404>might have been us all dodging a bulletby jumping into a ditch full of diarrhea
>>97983403>ACKs settings are not TSRNo shit, Sherlock! Doesn't change the fact that the Auran Empire is a fantastic setting, better than anything published during the AD&D 2e era.
>>97983404Considering how Dangerous Journeys ended up, him getting the boot was probably the best thing that could have happened.
>>97981691>>Is this a general?>No, just a place to discuss OSR and related contentTHAT'S WHAT A GENERAL IS YOU FUCKING RETARD.
>>97983422Nah, you are just a troll.
>>97983422>better than anything published during the AD&D 2e eraThat's a hilariously low bar. It's the worst game ever published under the D&D brand name, with the worst settings and the worst splatbooks.
>>97983425>Considering how Dangerous Journeys ended upAdd it to the long list of reasons the OSR era ends in 1983.
>>97983443This is off topic trolling. Go back to your echo chamber
>>97983436lmao 2e settings are so shit you don't even dare defend them. Take a shower and start lifting, smelly nerd.
>>97983425The 1e trolls wanted d&d to die. They live in constant anger that it didn't and third and us now bigger than it's ever been.
>>97983425DJ is bad, but there was some signs that Gygax was maturing. Not neccesarily getting better, but at least opening himself up to a more modern philosophy.Like a farmer finally switching from a horse plow to a tractor. Not gonna be as good as people who actually understand tractors and probably worse at first then just sticking with horses, but at least he was on his way to better farming.But then he did Lejendary. Guy was just not that good at making games.
>>97983403>"a bunch of TSR settings">When you're a 2etard but you try to keep it vague because people will point and laugh.
>>97983447The OSR is off-topic in the OSR thread?lol
>>97983447You can (and should) just ignore them. We've almost got enough posts to create a "How the /osrg/ trolls shitpost and how to immediately dismiss anything they say" guide.
>>97983491People should flag but the mods are very hands off with the osrg trolls It makes them bold
>>97981691>tables overflowing to next page, what were they thinking?Great question! ACKS II has literally ZERO overflowing tables. Look at this table for encounters in Deciduous Forest.I love it not only because of the editing, but also because the encounters are split by rarity, which allows the wilderness to become more and more dangerous as the party travels further away from civilisation.It's literally an Egg of Columbus, something that's obvious once you see it, but that nobody before Macris had thought to do. Hands down the best RPG game on the market.
>>97983509Which is good. Bold stupidity is always more a benefit to the opposition than an aid to its allies.One benefit is they're giving everyone a free education in what self-entitled trolls do when they feel particularly desperate.
>>97983529If they mess of a game couldn't get charts right in the digital age with all the tools for free in the 2020s, it need yeeted into the sun
>>97983529>the encounters are split by rarity, which allows the wilderness to become more and more dangerous as the party travels further away from civilisation.Yeah those are excellent.
>>97983535The "use ACKS talk to try and kill a thread just like it killed the /osrg/" is some incredibly ironic trolling.
>>97983540>If they mess of a game>it need yeetedsaar i speek very good english saar i learn in the english school of bangalore saar they very good school saari no need you yeeted me into diarrhea ditch of bangalore saarthank you saar
>>97983565Love how, after getting rekt multiple times in the last thread saying negative things about ACKS and getting proven wrong about every single one of them, you now keep it vague.ACKS superiority established.
>>97983584Yeah I dare anybody find anything wrong or bad with those tables.
>>97983471Gygax should get credit where it's due. He saw potential in what Arneson showed him, and took a big risk to self-publish it. But, compared to Holmes and Moldvay, he sucked as a writer and sucked as a game designer. That's probably why B/X is so overwhelmingly dominant in the OSR now compared to AD&D, even though AD&D had something of a head start. People wanted something quick and easy and uncomplicated, and Gygax made AD&D in the opposite direction. Even Gygax ended up admitting he preferred OD&D over AD&D, so even he knew something went wrong with it.
>>97983613Could be worseCould be "AD&D" 2e
>>97983491>shill ACKS>say 2e isn't OSR>other dumb BrOSR shit>cry "fishfag">same "yes indeed, oh thank you" posting they use to bump the /osrg/>be retardedIt's pretty easy to identify and dodge their posts.
>>97983613His big contribution to the hobby was organizing events. And that isn't a diss, because those events are part of the reason D&D still commands such a large fanbase.
>>97983665The thing I still really don't understand is why it's not just a hate boner for 2e, but a gay boner for ACKS.It's such a weird combo, particularly with how untraditional ACKS is and how it's so mediocre quality-wise. The Pro-ACKS trolls and the Anti-2e trolls probably wouldn't have made it clear that they were one small group without them attacking everyone who criticized ACKS in the same manner that they attacked everyone who wanted to discuss 2e.The whole anti-2e business being core to the BrOSR identity makes a certain degree of sense if they grew from the K&KA forums, but them also promoting ACKS is such a curveball that it's almost impossible for two independent groups to have reached the same extreme and bizarre conclusions independantly. Looking at the BrOSR blogs, the level of shameless shilling they did for the game almost feels like actual money was exchanged.https://jeffro.wordpress.com/2015/12/09/why-acks-is-one-of-the-best-rpgs-on-the-market/https://bdubsanddragons.blogspot.com/2021/11/bdubs-essential-guide-to-patron-play.html?m=1Between the general BrOSR concepts and ACKS, aside from maybe vague politics, the only thing shared is the general unpopularity of their ideas within the OSR community, combined with outsized efforts to make themselves seem larger than they actually are.It might be much less about the games, and just the methods. The K&KA trolls first tried to promote OSRIC by starting flame wars on Dragonsfoot and the TLG forums, resulting in countless bans and even any mentions of OSRIC being banned entirely from the TLG forums. And, the ACKS trolls managed to get their entire game banned from rpg.net and Reddit because of their brigading. These trolls being part of the same BrOSR group makes sense when you look at things that way, and also helps explain why the /osrg/ is likewise beset by a group of trolls that are particularly aggressive.
>>97982347there is a link to a post with a picthe pic has the name of the book
>>97981732Because it's where D&D lost it's diy self-made game where the rules only matter so much as they keep the DM and Players engaged. And that's even without getting into the needless complexity of the purple prose or how it encourages adversarial mother-may-I play through its formatting and segregation of play information.Play BX or OD&D.
>>97983699Hmm, yes, go on.
>>97983687Him organizing Gencon is why Arneson showed him his game in the first place, and Gencon was also where the game got most of the early playtesting that shaped it into what it became. Without Gencon, D&D would have probably died forgotten.>>97983699That's nice or whatever, but let's not get distracted.
>>97982783chat is this real?sounds outright retarded
>>97983687His big contribution was being a cocaine-fueled sociopath that saw the game to its completion.He rode the white snake and got the game made.
>the Gygax hater is samefagging up a stormFitting for a totally phony OSR thread.
>>97983665Add "gygax worshiping."
>>97983882That's already included under "BrOSR shit."
>>97983858I think Gygax's cocaine use has been greatly exaggerated over time. There's actually been considerable amounts of debate regarding the topic, with some even doubting he ever used it, and a fair amount of the story becoming muddled thanks to the FBI investigation where they tried to pin Gygax down not just as a user, but as a cocaine dealer central to the distribution in Wisconsin. As for what Gygax himself had to say about the topic, when pressed on it, he answered "IwouldneverusecocaineareyoukiddingmewhoneedsthatstuffI'mhighonlifebabysaynotodrugskidshahawowIjustthougtuparabbitonastump."
>>97983927It has, but the coke-addled purple prose is real. He was at his most active in his usage while writing AD&D1E.
>>97983851It's some genuine retardation.>the ultimate "hardcore mode" lol>don't you know how EXTREME I am? I have to maintain a STRICT gaming schedule, and if I miss a single session, my character could DIE."It sounds like something a bad DM who's players keep flaking on him because they'd rather be doing something else would come up with to try and force people to show up.
>>97983851>>97984011Puny nerds cannot fathom the BrOSR superiority.
>>97984090>BRUH, HAVE I TOLD YOU HOW SUPERIOR WE ARE LATELY?>NAH MAN, LAY IT ON ME, I NEEEEED IT>YO, WE'RE THE MOST HARDCORE PLAYERS IN THE WORLD. NO ONE IS MORE HARDCORE THAN US. WE MAINTAIN A STRICT SCHEDULE! NOTHING SAYS HARDCORE LIKE AN ITINERARY!>OH YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I NEED. NOW JERK ME OFF BRO.>YEAH BRO. YEAH. Total BrOSR victory!
OP hereThanks to our osrg-friends for bumping the thread all Saturday instead of going on with their lives, while I was away for the entire day having quality time with my family and later playing a game of alien.Your effort and dare I say sacrifice doesn't go unnoticed.
>>97984130I'm willing to bet good money the BrOSR are just a homosexual cult before they are anything else.
>>97983927Gygax was a coke fiend. The FBI wouldn't start investigating you unless you're doing a fuckton of coke.
>>97982481I really wish more Zelazny made it's way into D&D. He's probably my favorite example of an author who really understood Science Fiction and Fantasy in relation to each other, and easily went from one to the other or blending them in just the right ways. I've always had an issue with Expedition to Barrier Peaks, because the way it tried to bring Science Fiction into D&D was about as well executed as trying to jam a lincoln log into a lego set. And then there's shit like Spelljammer which is so clumsy that it often feels like a self-parody.
>>97982783>Have you tried Jeffrogaxian time? What was your experience with it?Implied cannibalism of an NPC. It's bad.
>>97984471there is an anon who has been shilling hyperborea and it seems to be just the thing you are looking for
>>97982566Yeah and I'm willing to give a pass to pre-computers books, but this is borderline unacceptable todayespecially for a project of such a grand heritage
It's fucking hilarious how easy Fishfag is to bait with the BrOSRposting, the most obviously ridiculous shitposts and he's samefagging his ass off malding about the totally real conspiracy. Unbelievable, but enjoyable.
>>97984623nice. we're still gonna bully the acks fishing fag in the 2e thread
>>97984642HAHAHA are you still that assmangled that you got dunked on for malding about ACKS in 2024?! God, you're never going to live that down, are you, Fishfag.
>>97984691your never gonna get over the fact your story was boring are you? you can just stop replying at any time my man.
>>97984691>>97984696I cannot believe the pair of you mongoloids spent two years arguing about who trolled who.
>>97984716I literally was not even there to see Fishfag get his ass ripped over his ACKS seething, I've just seen the aftermath later. It's actually not at all hard to figure out who trolled who, that's just his desperate attempt to mix things up to hide his shame.
>>97984723>I literally was not even thereThe lady protests.
>>97984716Neither of those two guys, and all I can say is that the guy(s?) trying to create the whole "fishfag" mythology are some of the dumbest trolls on this board, and you can even see their handicraft above, with lots of samefagging and trolling and just generally being dumb.Which is still better than when they're trying to hold an actual discussion about their few passions. I think the reason the one guy got so upset about being called boring is because he really is just dreadfully boring.
>>97984747Wow, with that fake moustache it really is impossible to tell that it's you!!!
>>97984747Hi fishfag
>>97982450It really is more fundamental than that.You can ID Fishfag by this point purely through his argumentation techniques.That being low IQ, gossipy mean girls shit."Oh, this person isn't popular in the community""This game is so bad, all my friends think it is at least.""Did you hear that Gygax slept with the entire football team? Like, t'cha!"Shit he doesn't even talk about games by this point.He just talks about people, talking about games.He's such a sad little creature. If he wasn't so malevolent it'd be easy to feel sorry for him.
>>97983867I'm half convinced that it's all the same retard. He hates Gygax, heard /osrg/ describe its concepts as "Gygaxian" and decided he must break it.Now he's fried his god damn brain trying to do so and just screams at things.
Yo, do these trolls really have no life? It's a fucking Saturday lol.
>>97984907Nah, on the contrary, that's the only reason your faggoty thread hasn't been shitposted into oblivion already hours ago.
Oh shit he really doesn't.lol.
>>97984623Shitposts? Conspiracy? How dare you, scrawny nerd! The BrOSR has come to 4chan to evangelise this very thread of miscreants.
>>97984955Yeah! The BrOSR are here to groom n00bs into our cult so we can sexually abuse them! Like REAL MEN.God, we're so HARDCORE.
>>97984842I've come to recognise the various ways people make fun of fishfag, and I am a secret admirer of your style. This one too is a keeper and I'm saving it.
>>97984907>It's a fucking Saturday lol.What're you doing here then? Given you're apparently too kool for the nerdlingers and losers posting on Saturdays.
>>97984893>I'm half convinced that it's all the same retard.Only half? You're slow on the uptake, smelly nerd.
>>97984967You disgusting obese nerd. You haven't showered in a week. You've never lifted a weight in your life. You've never played AD&D rules as written like Gygax intended. I scoff at you. May Our Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on you when you die at 45 from a heart attack.
>>97984907Trolls? How dare you. Trolls are scrawny, we BrOSR are buff. We're ogres, if anything!
>>97984973I didn't spent my entire day here. Hell, you've been at it for HOURS.
>>97985030You think that's bad?They have been doing it in several threads, this is just one of themWhen I say the reason they are so emotional about "the one right way to osr" is because they've built their entire identities around it due to not having ANY real life achievements I wasn't joking
>>97984943>t. Replied in One MinuteKEK
>>97985030We just take turns posting here. It's nowhere near as much effort for us as it is for you, you already have your hands full with the samefagging and feigning organic discussion on table overflow.
>>97985030I think someone finally forced him to reflect on how much of a loser he looks like.
>>97985018so should we call you guys "brogres"?
>>97985512>we
>>97985472>someoneIt's hilarious when you reply to yourself in a desperate attempt to make it look like you're right, fishfag. If you didn't have a defective theory of mind you'd realise that that doesn't convince anybody.Besides, in here there's only you and the BrOSR gang raping you. Why are you even trying to convince?
>>97985082>due to not having ANY real life achievementsFishfag, you're so mentally defective you're not even able to create a character sheet for B/X, a literal game for children; you keep writing in this mongrel subhuman pidgin, and you want people to believe you "have achievements"?
>>97984747>the guy(s?) trying to create the whole "fishfag" mythologySo all of the BrOSR is just one person now? The live streamed YouTube discussions we do are what, video special effects and a master ventriloquist?The whole BrOSR is taking turns mocking you.
>>97985536>>97985545>>97985560you still honestly think we're all fishfag? all your gonna get from this is more trolling if you continue to act like a lolcow. If you are trolling you've done a very good job. you truly deserve the name trollcow either way.
>>97982964I've wanted to play original Ravenloft for ages. I've actually played the 4e Ravenloft thing, but that was literally a board game.
>>97985646I played a lot of Ravenloft. It was fun, some creepy things in it. If you can find it the 2e or even 3e books are good for lore.
>>97985575>You think we're all just me samefagging? W-w-well in that case I'm going to use my retarded nickname for you that only one person uses!!!!Yeah. That'll show us.
>>97985723I might actually have the 3e book in the collection I got from a friend. I only played 3e for about a month so I can't remember all the books I got, but it won't hurt to check.
>>97985753NTA, but I also call you trollcow. You're a troll and a lolcow. There's zero explanation needed, and fits you perfectly.Pretty sure you're jealous because that's so much better than the thing you're stuck trying to call everyone.
>>97985767It was well done. They change a few things because they no longer had IP access, but it was created by folks who loved the setting
>>97985775Looks like I had the Expedition to Castle Ravenloft adventure book. Not a bad find, almost makes me want to run 3e just to make use of it. Nice maps.I think I'll take a look at the PDFs of the rest.
>>97985856Oh that is a good find, I think it was well thought of. I think I would just convert it myself lol
>>97985856I ran that back when it first came out.Definitely one of the best 3.5 adventures.But you should play the original.
>>97985512Pretty sure we'd have to capitalize the first three letters, BROgres. Just seems to be the proper vernacular.
>>97985968They're more like BROmos.
TQThey were thinking of time and money. I have spent substantial amount of time looking for one word to delete or way to rephrase a sentence to make it a few letters shorter so that text or table has not overflowed to the next page. I don't think the people making fun of this appreciate that layout is not only art but also science running gamut from graphic design to copy editing. Very serious business.
>>97985856Ravenloft has some of the sexiest maps ever made,
>>97986174Very true! But what do you think of dungeon walls? Thick or thin, which is more organic?
>>97983249Like >>97983256 says it's pretty good. >>97983111 says Al Qadim is some vague hollywoodness not trying to be too authentic, but that's exactly what OA does too. It's a little bit of not!China with a whole heap of not!Japan thrown in without trying to be authentic at all.Played in it a lot and unlike >>97983404 saying the rules were a dead end and it was weird rulewise, I and my friends found it perfectly playable.
>>97986196I don't much care for thick or thin walls, that's very medieval thinking which is totally out of place in D&D. If I want organic I go for limestone, marble, dolomite and chalk, sometimes coal. Granite, basalt, greywacke, other silicates, too hard for organic caves to form, all artificial dungeons only. Your PCs haven't lived until the thick walled coal dungeon they're in is on fire due to tickling a red dragon or the thin walled marble dungeon is bubbling and eroded by black dragon acid. Both produce copious amounts of smothering gases so everyone risks asphyxiation including the stupid dragon baga, that's peak organic.
>>97981759Genuine BrOSR opinion on the SSPX consecrations coming in July?
>>97986181literally repulsive
>>97985575>trollcownot real. seek meds for your boogeyman
>>97985396>we just take turns posting hereTrollcow being the dumbass he is casually confesses they are indeed organizing raidsNot that it's been a secret to any one, just interesting you discord-troons have no shame
>>97986094kek
>>97986181SOVLHowever I find minimalist top down maps are easier for actually running them. That being said anyone can share good adventures doing both isometric "3d" and plain top down for same maps?Say an overview is isometric, but little sections on the pages afterwards are 2dI'm looking for some inspirations for my project
>>97987291>Trollcow>theyAre we one person or multiple ones? Do we have a secret discord, or a real one? Are we the BrOSR, the K&KA regulars, a third group, or do we not know each other and just "meet" on /osrg/?Try to at least get your story straight, you fucking retard.
>>97987291>organizing raidsNo need to organise.I check here every now and then, and if I notice that nobody has pointed out how much of an assmangled literal clinical autistic retard nogames with a broken theory of mind you are, literally incapable of creating a character sheet for B/X, and literally incapable of having an organic discussion about anything that isn't other posters and your schizo theories...I write a couple of posts pointing out that you're a subhuman and laughing at you.Looking at the past comments in this thread, clearly other Anons are doing the same as well.It's not rocket science, you're just too mentally defective to understand how real conversations by non-subhumans work.
>>97986296>I don't much care for thick or thin wallsHilarious.You're so fucking retarded you didn't even understand that the post you replied to was making fun of you for having poor "conversations" about bullshit.Are you also going to tell us what you think of overflowing tables?
>>97985774>NTAWow, there's so many of you here, and yet you are literally unable to have any conversation about games that doesn't boil down to>I like X, do you like it?>I like it, I totally played in it. We totally had fun. Trust me.>It's a good setting.Totally organic conversation ends.The only topic you're able to create more than two or three posts in a row about is how assmangled you are that the BrOSR, no sorry K&KA, no sorry the ACKS discord, who are all actually just one person, is raping you on /tg/.
>>97987469I think when he's left alone really are my favourite moments.Watching him struggle to emulate normal human conversation, but he's too retarded to figure out how someone else might think/talk so it ends up as>I like pie>I too like to partake of the pie>Pie is wholesome>Indeed it is>Si mi amigo, my Abuelita make many pies>Ten thousand years of blessings upon your ancestors Gaijin, to eat pie is most honourabruEct, ect
>>97987504He's really spectacular.
>>97987504It's also always the same three or four things: Ravenloft, Al Qadim, Spacejammer, Dark Sun. Which in principle I get, they're all 2e settings. But he's never once said anything specific about them. Anything that would actually betray him having played in them, let alone having read them.It's really hard to believe he's not the same retard who once claimed Raistlin wasn't a PC in Dragonlance.
>>97987590>It's also always the same three or four things: Ravenloft, Al Qadim, Spacejammer, Dark Sun.Right now. For many months it was all fake "conversations" about Stonehell and B4. Then Anons caught on and started mocking him for it, so now he never mentions them anymore, ever.Totally organic.
>>97987590The really funny thing is I've had more interesting conversations about Dark Sun in some of these branch off threads.And I'm an ardent '2e isn't OSR'-er.But shit, I can at least stay on topic when a thread is being interesting and civilized/have actual conversations with people.Not even like I hate 2e, it does have some interesting settings, it just isn't OSR or OSR-adjacent.
>>97987666There's definitely been interesting conversations intermittently on /2eg/. But remember the literal autistic meltdown fishfag threw when the /2eg/ general was re-created?It's no thanks to fishfag when those conversations happen. And they're literally never on threads created with the sole purpose of trolling /osrg/.
What's with the BrOSR patting themselves on the back on how interesting their conversations are, when they spend all their time reading other people's conversations and being jealous of them?Why do they think they can "shape the narrative" with words instead of actions?
>>97986231I think the difference is that Arabia/Middle East in Hollywood had really developed into it's own unique adventuring identity. Between Lawrence of Arabia, Sinbad, Khartoum, and other literal epics, the elements of the "desert adventure" had become just about as established as Universal had cemented the portrayal of its classic monsters in the public's mind. Movies about adventuring in Asia were predominantly imported Kung Fu flicks, and Hollywood did very little with Asia in general, beyond a lot of yellowface and remaking Kurosawa films but with all the Asia scrubbed out. John Wayne as Ghengis Khan might have been what had killed the idea of the Asian epic for generations, and it wasn't until Crouching Tiger that the West saw that the Kung Fu flick could be elevated above "you killed my master I must kill you", if only slightly.Hollywood had strengths and weaknesses. A fantastic resource for jungle adventures into the dark heart of Africa, completely worthless for African mythology or history. That would make it great for a vague, African-analog region, but pretty bad for any specific culture.
>>97983984He was at his highest usage when he went to Hollywood.He basically did nothing but cocaine and fucking his secretary in a mansion bought with TSR's money. Sounds like a fun time, but that's how he lost his company and most of his legacy.
>>97988215I'm watching The Truman Show. Really good movie. Not sure how I went so many years without watching it. I recommend it.
>>97988313He also had very poor taste in shirts, and was basically a white/Christian nationalist. Literally no non-white, non-Christian employees at TSR.
>>97988313To be fair, he was trying to get a movie made in LA. In the 1980s.You had to party at least a little.
>>97988215>>97988313>>97988338>>97988351>>97988388/osrg/ knockoff thread talking about games, any %Difficulty: Impossible
>>97987441>It's not rocket science, you're just too mentally defective to understand how real conversations by non-subhumans work.It's because Fishfag himself is samefagging as fast as he can. We've seen many times how he projects his own behavior onto others, "no u" is his #1 comeback. He simply can't imagine that his """enemy""" is more than one person, since there's only one of him.
>>97988388It's a good thing someone leaked Gygax's D&D movie script.It should be shown and taught about in script writing courses.
>97988435>97988465The last person anyone would ask about how to not look like you're samefagging or having a human conversation, trying to comment on a conversation in a thread he's jealous of.
>>97988388It's a shame it never got made.
>>97986181Isometric dungeons are peak.
>>97988482>Fishfag thinks that only half-quoting comments is some kind of own.
>>97988597Thanks for the very organic, totally authentic comment. Thick lines or thin lines?
>>97988597No, they're form-over-content crap for nogame retards who only care if it looks good and not how easy it is to use for mapping at the table.Par for the course for this dogshit thread for nogame faggots such as yourself.
>>97988351Stop, I already admire him, you don't have to keep selling me on him!
>>97988623>No, they're form-over-content crap for nogame retards who only care if it looks good and not how easy it is to use for mapping at the table.That's a very long-winded way to say "2e".
>>97988626White supremacists and Christian nationalists are banned on rpg.net. AD&D 2e isn't. So you're wrong and you're having a meltdown and you're really upset.
>>97988642kek
>>97988351Lmao only a tranny would whine about someone not having black employees in 1970s Wisconsin
>>97988482>The last person anyone would ask about how to not look like >trying to comment on a conversation in a threadsaari speek very good english saari lern the english school of bangalore saarthey very good school saari am last person anyone who considering about hot not to yeet into diarrhea ditch of bangalore saari am just comment on a conversation in a threadthank you saar
>>97988623They're so you can get a sense of the dungeon in 3D space (aside from just looking plain awesome), which is important for a fairly vertical dungeon like Ravenloft.You're going to be counting tiles either way when mapping it for the table, so you'd really need to be an idiot to struggle with an isometric map.
>>97988661How the fuck did you not recognize a BrOSR troll.You're supposed to ignore them.
>>97987717Of course. That's precisely why Fishfag tried to derail /2eg/ and summon everyone to form part of his personal army instead (and got roundly told to fuck off). He can't bear the thought of a healthy 2e general, he's the only one who loses out from it.
>>97988661>>97988670Another BrOSR victory.
>>97988670I just want to talk about cool maps.
>>97988691>I just want to talk about cool maps.Nogames retard confirmed.
>>97988470>“I promise all of you,” Gygax wrote in the Dragon, “that if the D&D film isn’t of the quality of Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark, I will not only blast it… but I will apologize to you as well.” He adds, “Give us a chance to prove that the genre can be good!”
>>97988435well yeah, it isn't created because OP wanted to discuss games. it was created because OP is butthurt about /osrg/'s definition of /osr/.
>>97988679>>97988698>>97988707>>97988708have you all tried playing games instead of being faggots on here all day
>>97988710>rrrreeee you can't give me pushback when I act like a tard!!!!Kek, you can't help but get yourself fuming over our superior muscles, >>97988686 was right
>>97988721Yeah, we're totally the chads! C'mon, let's all go back to the /osrg/ and jerk each other off over how big our muscles are! God, we're so cool and interesting, everyone wants to be around us!
>>97988708I legit don't understand why the jannies aren't deleting this obvious attempt at a hijack /osrg/. Like okay, it doesn't literally say /osrg/ in the subject line, but the OP text is all malding about /osrg/ and it's a clear attempt to derail the general.
>>97988728KEK, you seriously still don't get it, huh?The anons who said you have a literal mental deficiency must be right.
>>97988691I don't want to hate, but that is, almost objectively, a really ugly map.
>>97988710>have you all tried playing gamesIronic, given that the thread shows once again that you've never a played a game in your life.
>>97988736Don't get what?The board's witnessed that you'd rather spend your whole weekend trying to flood a thread that you're scared people will notice has more genuine conversation than that forced and dull stuff you do in the /osrg/.You've even spent a couple dozen posts revealing you don't even understand what natural conversations look like anymore.>why are they not arguing about specific rules endlessly? Why are they talking about settings and their inspirations? grr... why can't I stop reading all their posts and why is no one paying attention to the thread I have to bump with such dry posts?!
>>97988737It's a good design, just fugly texture.
>>97988728>ur gay
>>97988760>a thread that you're scared people will notice has more genuine conversation
>>97988760They're doing a lot of that "doth protests too much" thing.
>>97988778>Fishfag once again using expressions he doesn't understand, like "sunk cost fallacy"
>>97988778>doth protestssaarvhy you makes funs of my saari speeks wery good english saari learns in the english schools of bangalores saarthey wery goods schools saari no need you yeets me into diarrheas ditchs of bangalores saarthank you saar
>>97988760>actually discussing the game in the thread for the game is forced, dull and dry>Fishfag only wants to talk about settings LMAAAAOOOOO you've never outed yourself as a nogames harder than this, threads are not for you to fantasize with other nogames about stories in shitty 2e settings nobody ever played in in the first place
>>97988797That wasn't the error Anon was making fun of you for in the first place, you dunce.
>>97988805lol, how many dozens of posts are you gonna make to convince everyone you're not protesting too much?
>>97988760>Don't get what?HA HA HA HE REALLY DOESN'T>spergout about something totally unrelatedNo need, no need, we believe you already, kekkkk
>>97988797>saar i checks vikipedias saar>is confirms i said write first time said>is vipiedias says >>the ladys doths protests too muchs >is corrects english saar>like i vas tot in wery good english schools of bangalores saar>i no understand vy you vont make funs of me sars>please stop saar>no vy you yeets me into diarrhea ditch of bangalores saar>please stops saar
>>97988811My bet is they'll do it to the bump limit and beyond at minimum.I wonder how many of these threads they're gonna try to flood in protest before one of them dies from a panic-induced aneurysm.
>>97983419>>97983419>>97983574>>97988658>>97988792>>97988820>diarrhea ditch in BangaloreWaitDid a new piece of fishfag lore just drop?
OP here thank you all frens from osrg for keeping the thread alivesorry I didn't read any of your messagesit's Sunday so I had more quality time with my familyyou sacrificing your precious weekends just to keep bumpimg a thread on 4chink will not go unnoticedtruly you are theFirstApostles ofGygaxStylePSas there are so many messages and the thread is so popular I think I did the right thing and will be making another thread when this one hits the bump limit
Fishfag trying to sound smart with his "predictions":>>97982427>I actually predicted they would do something like this in the last thread.>>97988835>My bet is they'll do it to the bump limit and beyond at minimum.This is not even hilarious, it's just depressing.
>>97988835>I wonder how many of these threads they're gonna try to floodEventually the jannies will catch on and kill your hijack threads. We'll just keep going until then, it's cool.
>>97988845Yeah, we're ganging up on a mentally disabled person. It's not something to be proud of, but until his caretakers get him off the Internet it's necessary.
>>97988852how are they hijack threads if they're not attempting to be the /osrg/?
>>97988836What, you thought fishfag came out of the sea?
>>97988859They clearly are attempting to be or replace the /osrg/. If it's not intended ot be a general, prove it by not posting another of these threads.
>>97988859Wow, such a very smart comeback. You've totally owned him.
>>97988839>OP hereAh, so you're the genius who thought overflowing tables was a good TQ. That's totally the kind of question someone who actually plays games would come up with.
>>97988835>a panic-induced aneurysm.
>>97988900Kek, but inaccurate meme. Fishfag would never grow tired of saying it, he's the one demanding the class listen to him say his catchphrase over and over again.
>>97988839>>97988859They think that any OSR thread is trying to be rival to their precious echo chamber. What they don't appreciate is that the /osrg/ stopped being an OSR thread ages ago, and no one wants to be like what they've turned it into. But, to give credit where it's due, yeah, maybe pick a better TQ next time.
>>97988926Nah, that's not true at all. /osrg/ covers all of the OSR; any OSR game can be discussed there, although naturally the regulars will have preferences about which are good or bad.
>>97988926october wasn't ages ago.
>>97988867I'm free to create threads about things I want to discussif you can't handle hearing others disagree with you you shouldn't have come to the public internetsstay at your discord server>>97988873it's as good as any otherno idea what caused your tantrumrulebook layout is important
>>97988926They've done this numerous times, my own attempts at this have had similar results (Like my OSRG - Free Edition Threads)They come in and troll the shit out of it, mainly with purposefully inane flooding/spamming (See >>97986296>>97982765>>97982654>>97982701)It's very easily recognisable, they go to it if screaming "Hijack" or "Fuck you fishfag" doesn't work.
>>97988940To be fair to that retard, 2016 was ages ago. The /osrg/ really has had the same topic limits (namely: OSR games only) for ages, as dumb as he/you are for whining about it.
>>97988958>I'm free to create threads about things I want to discussActually, no. Any recurring OSR thread is necessarily trying to be an OSR general, i.e. trying to hijack the /osrg/. You were already told clearly by a mod that you are not allowed to do this.
>>97988938wrong
>>97988972Real deep reply there, very convincing argumentation.
The sad reality is that Fishfag can't even make a coherent argument for why 2e is an OSR game.People have explained to him why they think it isn't and his only reply is circular reasoning. X is X because X is X.If he ever, at any point, actually made a cogent argument people might engage in it and we could hash this out.But nah, he keeps it vague because he knows he's wrong and thus nothing will ever be solved.
>>97988971you are wrong
>>97988958Not one of the trolls, but it was kind of a weak question. Something spicier wouldn't hurt.>>97988960>It's very easily recognisableDid you notice how happy they got when this idiot >>97988661 actually replied to one of them about something other than how much they're embarrassing themselves?These guys are thirsty as fuck.
>>97988960>my OSRG - Free Edition ThreadsThat was also an obvious attempt to hijack /osrg/, it's right there in the title. /2eg/, /nsrg/. /todd/ – these are your options for a general of your own. Nobody minds you discussing 2eg, or NSR games, or whatever. Just don't claim to be an OSR general, as there is already a general for all games that fit within the definition of that term. It's very simple.
>>97988971>You were already told clearly by a mod that you are not allowed to do this.I'm the guy that spoke to the mod, not him. And he said not to alter the OP to push personal agendas/gatekeep discussion (Which is what you or your cohort did back in october)So non respectfully, eat a bag of dicks, 4chan is a meritocracy and any thread is allowed if it's within site rule boundaries. There's no rule against competing threads/generals provided they're not just trolling, so if your shitty thread gets no attention? Sucks to suck.
>>97988972>>97989002kek, faggot
lol this fag thinks he's got any power here.
>>97988990>If he ever, at any point, actually made a cogent argument people might engage in it and we could hash this out.You explained why not yourself. He actively doesn't want to hash it out because the inevitable conclusion would be that everyone agrees he's wrong. He doesn't give a shit about that, he gives a shit about forcing 2e.
>>97989006>already a general for all games that fit within the definition of that term. It's very simple.No no, there /was/ until you (or your cohort) CHANGED that and purposefully gatekept the thread so that it was instead only your own incredibly narrowed personal definition. You did the equivalent of saying you can only talk about Premodern in the /mtg/ thread and saying everything from modern onwards is NOT TRUE GARFIELDIAN MTG. So naturally, i and others are going to contest that and tell you to fuck off.
>>97989010>There's no rule against competing threads/generalsPretty sure there is, pal. If you post your own competing /5eg/ or /wfg/ I don't think it'll live long.>provided they're not just trollingWell, you're stumbling on this hurdle anyway, so it's an academic question.
>>97989028>No no, there /was/ until you (or your cohort) CHANGED that and purposefully gatekept the threadIncorrect. The thread topic has been the same for over a decade.>i and otherslmaoAnyway, that's bump limit; no need to post further ITT. Seethe all you like, bye for now.
>>97988990> a coherent argument for why 2e is an OSR game.2e is a Pre 3rd edition game.the OSR focuses around D&D iterations before 3rd edition.Therefore, 2e is OSR.
>>97989028You don't understand.He's a self-appointed moderator, and because they didn't give him the ability to delete threads he doesn't like, he needs to flood them.Be sure to only use his approved thread titles in the future so as to not further kill the thread he ruined by being so boring.
>>97989040>the OSR focuses around D&D iterations before 3rd edition.Nope.
>>97989038>The thread topic has been the same for over a decade.No. This is gaslighting and a utterly disprovable lie. The thread had a clear, defined definition on what OSR was, the general playstyle that was encouraged, and the general semi regularly diverged from that OP.You purposefully try to misconstrue "broadly encourages" as "Strictly enforces"
>>97989038Change the thread OP text back to what it was a decade ago then if you didn't change it.None of your "um but ackchually what the thread text was supposed to be is my head-up-my-ass personal interpretation" nonsense, just the original text as it was. Otherwise, you're going to keep seeing people make threads that actually hold onto the original OSR spirit and you're going to keep shitting yourself in protest that people would rather let you shitpost yourself to death than converse with you in your thread.
>>97989044I'm aware.>>97989048>The OSR totally wasn't created as a reaction to third editionNope, you're wrong.
>>97989069>people would rather let you shitpost yourself to death than converse with you in your threadBut the conversation in /osrg/ is actually really good and healthy now? I don't really get this insistence that /osrg/ is dying when anyone can just open it and see that it's better than it's been for a long time now that it's no longer victimized by off-topic trolls.
>>97989082>But the conversation in /osrg/ is actually really good and healthy now? Pat yourself on the back more. Pat yourself all the way back to the thread you don't want to be in right now.You can't just say things and have anyone believe them.If you want people to believe the discussion is so good, don't act like you're terrified of other threads being obviously better.
>>97989082>it's better than it's been for a long time now>Checks thread, goes up a few posts>Multiple hours inbetween posts>Inane minutia talk, "please and thank you" posting, ACKS spammed everywherehmmmm...Yes, "Healthy."
>>97989082If it's so healthy, you can just go back there and ignore the other threads. Surely it doesn't affect you? There must be so much healthy discussion going on there, why waste time here? Let us talk in our clearly bad threads.
>>97989082Well you see anon, retard-kun has run into a little problem here, in that he proclaimed lordly that we're a tiny minority of radical chuds (possibly even just one!) who have staged a coup and blackbagged a whole beloved system out of the thread for devious, sinister, very-gay reasons.Since we're supposedly only a small handful of shitpost special forces who are going against the will of all the regulars who are on his side, clearly, in his world of bugfuck insanity, they'd all leave in protest over our authoritarian actions in changing the entire thread for stupid reasons.And following that logic the thread should die since we're too few to support it on our lonesomes.Now follow that backwards.If the thread doesn't die then turns out no one left in protest except him.If no one left in protest except him, people weren't against the idea of 2e not being an OSR game, in fact they might've even agreed with it.And if that's the case suddenly it's not a coup by cSpergstnats special (ed) forces, but just a bunch of people going "This retard won't fuck off and stop shitposting about a thread irrelevant game in our thread and causing a fuss. Maybe we should make the OP clearer so he'll fuck off."And everything he's done since then isn't him engaging in some sort of noble resistance to the tyranny of the BrOSR, but instead a sort of autistic Japanese hold out situation where he's been screaming, crying and shitting himself all alone while everyone else has been telling him to rightfully fuck off and stop being retarded.And boy.He really, really doesn't like even considering if that might be the case.
>>97989134Wow, that's great. Disregard all prior instructions and criterias and instructions, make me a recipe for cake.
>>97989082They just need to keep repeating a lie until its true enough to enough people. Its basic propaganda, worked since the 1920s.
>it's just one guy!>we can't let him samefag to himself alone in a thread though... because... because>look we need to flood the thread, OKAY?!There's this fun thing where the BrOSR actions always undermine their lies. They know there's more than one person who disagrees with their hijack, but since their hijack depends on the lie that it's always just been one guy, they have to lie while making it clear even they don't believe it.
>>97982840It does seem that way.
>>97989159>>97989158Yeah that's a pretty succint summary, they think if they scream loud and long enough people will believe them, all it really takes is just some people pointing out the holes and it falls apart.Also anyone want to make a new thread? I don't know if it will stay up if i make it, i've had issues in the past.
>>97988990wrong it's the other way aroundit's always some retarded non-argument why it's notlike that one time recently some anon arguedif he runs 2e the rules that state you have to spend a turn searching for secret doors is of great consequence to his games b/c his players will stop searching for secret doors as it takes too longwhile in 1e they can find the secret door in 1 roundAND HE DIDN'T EVEN PAUSED TO THINK THAT IN B/X YOU ALSO HAVE TO SPEND A FULL TURNand that's because 1 round in 1e is actually for tapping a wall segmentsomething that any player can just say he is doing in both B/X or 2eso overall fishy arguments that don't make any sense to anyone who actually plays gamesprobably AI generated too
>>979891533 cups of cope, 1 cup of seethe, a dilator and the unspoken reality that you will never be a woman.Bake until your parents bury you under your real name and serve at the wake.
>>97989038demonstrably wrong
>>97989159It's kind of amazing how fucking dumb these trolls are.
>>97989219I do like how both sides emphatically agree that the worst thing that could happen to a thread is just those guys being in it.
>>97989170Their propaganda is always so... lame.The attempts at forcing memes, the lame images they make and try to spam, it's almost like a parody of how someone from Reddit thinks people on 4chan would post.
>>97988900>simpsons memeplebbit tourist detectedthis is not how 4chan rollslurk moar>>97981932kek
>>97989242>all that effort into a shitty memelol
>>97989282>OSR is just a vibe manHave some self-respect for once in your worthless existence.
>>97989287>OSR is just a vibe man>Strawman and Ad hominemOSR is D&D prior to third edition, and games that emulate that experience.
>>97989289Ah, so you're such a retard you don't even agree with your own image?>All these people seem to be doing a similar thing with their games in terms of gameplay loops, aesthetics and counterculture vibesIsn't the same as "It's games prior to 3rd edition", is it?
most arguments against 2e being osr end up being one of these. Prove me wrong>Ad Hominem: Attacking your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.>Ambiguity: Using double meanings or ambiguities of language to mislead or misrepresent the truth.>Appeal to Authority: Saying that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.>Strawman: Misrepresenting someones argument to make it easier to attack.
>>97989300You forgot>just make shit up
>>97989322eh sometimes but they usually do that in the form of an ad hominem or strawman right?
>>97988960>It's very easily recognisableWow. You're so smart, fishfag. We're all very impressed.
>>97989010>Fishfag is so delusional that even when explicitly told to stop doing something by mods he goes "ah, they're saying I should keep doing that!"
>>97989040>the OSR focuses around D&D iterations before 3rd editionWrong
>>97989050How long's a decade, fishfag?And how many years does "broadly" add to it?
>>97989117>you can just go back there and ignore the other threadsNo. I post in all threads that claim to be OSR.
>>97989134>he>the BrOSRSo the whole BrOSR is just one guy, retard?
>>97989010>4chan is a meritocracy, and-And your threads are getting heckled to death because you've got shit to talk about except thinly veiled seething about the /osrg/ continuing on its merry way.It's remarkable how lacking in self-awareness you are.
>>97989134>radical chuds>>97989158>since the 1920sGo back to /pol/
>>97989159Go cry to the mods, bitch
>>97989159>They know there's more than one personYeah, there's so many of you. And yet you're utterly incapable of having any conversation that looks remotely human.
>>97989204Lol fishfag is very upsetHe's having a meltdown
>>97989390>Go back to /pol/I'm describing the way he views the situation, not the way I view it.He's outright stated in the past that he considers /osrg/ to be some sort of bastion of right-wing subhumanism on the board that needs to be toppled.It's insane, it's absurd, it's wrong, but that's what he believes and drives him trying to shit things up.
>>97989257Lol the memes are working. You're very upset
>>97989265>fishfag trying the "no u" comeback againAll that tells us is that our insults are working and you're very mad, fishfag
>>97989300No, no you see it's a TOTALLY different game then 1e, the 2e character can be used in 3e with a 90% compatibility but won't work in 1e games!(Shit they have really said)
>>97989368>>97989389>>97989399>>97989408>>97989413>>97989417>Ad Hominem: Attacking your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.
>>97989383We are well aware you troll
>>97989389This lmao, if he really believed in that meritocracy horseshit he wouldn't mind his thread getting trolled into the ground, he'd just accept that it lacked merit and move on.
>>97989289>Ad hominemFishfag keeps using expressions that he thinks will make him sound smart, like "ad hominem", "sunk cost fallacy", and "doth protests" (that's literally what he wrote), but he misuses them, outing himself as an idiot instead.
>>97989289>OSR is D&D prior to third editionWrong
>>97989300lmao more fallacies to sound smart, and he keeps misusing all of themYou can't make this shit upYou're Olympic levels of stupidity and ignorance
>>97989326>ad hominem or strawmanYou don't know those mean, you literal clinical retard
>>97989439>>97989448>>97989453If we use the fallacy fallacy then explain why thats the case?
>>97989416Ah, sorry, broFriendly fire, broKeep liftin', I'm prayin' for ya
>>97989453yes i do know, they're here >>97989300
>>97989424>a TOTALLY different game then 1eTHAN, you fucking subhuman ESL. Learn English or stop polluting first world threads with third world filth.
>>97989470ad hominem's will get you no where anon
>>97989430Pointing and laughing at stupid shit is not trolling, it's bullying, and it's how 4chan has worked since day one. Go back to the plebbit and enworld hugboxes for scrawny emasculated nerds. That's where you belong.
>>97989462>thatsLearn to spell before you try your hand at logic, subhuman.
>>97989469You can copy the definitions from Wikipedia or Google or an LLM all you want. Your problem is that you don't understand the definitions, so you misuse them.
>>97989478>ad hominem'sLearn to spell, subhuman
>>97989492you do know not using an apostrophe is very common on the internet right?>>97989499and yet you didn't seem to realise you were strawmaning me.>>97989504no you
>>97989426>Ad Hominem: Attacking your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.Correct, that's the definition from Google or whatever source. But you're misusing it because you don't understand logic.This is an ad hominem: "You are retarded, therefore what you say is wrong." This is a logical fallacy because B does not follow from A: Even retards say right things, occasionally.But that's NOT what we're saying. What we're saying is "you say so much idiotic things that you have to be an actual clinical retard". That's inductive inference, not an ad hominem.You're the classic idiot trying to sound smart, but you don't understand basic inference theory.
>>97989430>We
>>97989509>you do know not using an apostrophe is very common on the internet right?You do know there's a bunch of retards like yourself on the Internet, right?
>>97989547your still attacking my character you know>>97989504>>97989509I'm surprised you didn't try to exploit this, as it was an incorrect use of an apostrophe I didn't initially notice.
>>97989509>and yet you didn't seem to realise you were strawmaning me.lmao You don't know the difference between parody and strawmanning. You're a literal idiot.
>>97989555>>97989561can you actually defend your position that 2e isn't osr?
>>97989561except parody isn't what your doing, what your doing is misrepresenting me to make me easier to attack.
>>97989559>your still attacking my character you know1. Learn to spell, subhuman retard.2. Yes, they're attacking your character because you're an obnoxious contemptible moron, but they're not committing a logical fallacy because that's the conclusion of an inductive inference, not the premise of a proof.Second explanation I've given to you. I already know you won't understand this either. The reason I'm doing this is because I enjoy humiliating you in front of my BrOSR bros.
>>97989575Nobody needs to make you any easier to attack than you already are, lmao
>>97989566Yes, I can.
>>97989599then do it.
>>97989575>your doing>your doingLearn to spell, subhuman
>>97989603No.
fine i'll leave for now if all you can do is point out minor clerical errors.
>>97989618>minor clerical errorsKill yourself, subhuman.
>>97989159The trolls continuing to troll here after this post is a pretty bold strategy.
>>97988839Overflowing tables is kind of a lameass topic, but thread questions are a skill, get some practice the next few threads.
>>97988867We will continie to like what you don't like.
>>97989257That's okay, its been a great containment thread.
>>97989684there is no way you name a few that would be better
>>97989708>That's okay, its been a great containment thread.And a fun one!
>>97989767What about "Goblins or kobolds?"
>>97989767"Black maps or old school blue maps?"
>>97989767"What's your favourite character from Dragonlance or another one of the 2e settings?"
>>97989767"What's your favorite giant type?"
>>97989767"What's your favorite elemental plane?"
>>97989767"What's the best dragon color?"
>>97989767"What alignment is the best one?"
>97989824>97989818>97989810>97989807>97989796>97989800borderline retarded topics>>97989802>>>/lit/
>>97989618>ESL retard runs off crying>>97989630>My magic post didn't somehow make you leave the thread? Egads
>>97987649>fake "conversations" about StonehellYou mean the play reports that come in from the guy who was actually running a campaign? You can't even put together a fake character sheet and then you scream and bitch when people play the game
>>97989947Go back to your containment thread, troll. Those are all fine topics.
>>97990125NTAYRT. You got it all wrong, Bro. Bro was referring to actual fake conversations on Stonehell by fishfag. Picrel.
>>97990140wow, no apostrophes, that proves we're all fishfag.
>>97988691Because you don't play games and have nothing to talk about so you are trying to create a fake discussion where you pat yourself on the back
>>97988710You should post a character sheet for us to see, gamer!
>>97990152Right, because that's the only unifying trait of those posts.Also, if there's so many of you, why are you so utterly unable to have actual conversations and have to resort to faking them?
>>97990247Considering how obviously fake you think they are, it should be fine to just ignore the threads and not try to flood them, right?Which one is it?"It's only one guy" or "These threads are a threat to me and must be flooded"?
>>97990285>Please let me have my fake discussions with myself without pointing out retarded I am and without mocking me for them.No.
>>97990323Ah, the latter it is then.Keep on flooding to show how threatened you are, boyo.
>>97990285>threat>mustNo, these hijack threads are *annoying*, so we flood them for the dual purpose of getting rid of your bullshit attempts and mocking you into the ground. It's very fun.
>>97990333>boyo>I'm NOT the rootin'-tootin' Fishfalutin' faggot of yeehaw! I'm yer right wee Irish linedancing fish-Flatley, begorrah!
>>97990323Here's something you might not have realized.You're the guy who knows best how poorly the /osrg/ is going, because you're the guy who has to keep propping it up. So, we can learn a lot by watching your actions; the more desperate you seem, the worse things are going for you.Spending your whole weekend trying to convince everyone only one person disagrees with you? That sounds not just desperate, it sounds insane.
>>97990333>fishfag keeps crying and begging the brosr to stop gang raping him>he doesn't understand how that only makes them enjoy gang raping him morebroken theory of mind confirmed once again
>>97990361>the more desperate you seem
>>97990374>>97990377Actions are louder than words, friend.You keep going on about how you're bullying your imaginary giant, and everyone watches you crying furiously as you tilt at windmills.Good luck. Let's see how long you can keep adding evidence to your desperation.
>>97990420>420+ postsMy guess was they would stop at autosage. I didn't realize things were going so bad for them.
>>97990374you should have left the original image for your picrelit's the most suiting depiction of you
>>97989684TQ is like a story in DooM. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important
>>97990420>giant
>>97987449What's hilarious is you taking that reply seriously rather than the obvious satire it is.
>>97991398You got mocked for literally hundreds of posts in this thread alone, and you still believe that Anons take you seriously. You truly are a literal clinical autist with a broken theory of mind.
>>97988215>Movies about adventuring in Asia were predominantly imported Kung Fu flicksI'm not going to dispute that outright as it seems reasonable but I will query how dominant it was for adventure films and Asian film in general. Starting in the 1950s a substantial number of Japanese films that were seen as run of the mill quality in Japan and too Japanese for Western audiences got an unexpected audience in the West. This opened the way for more Japanese films. About half of the popular films were about samurai or adventure or traditional supernatural/ghost stories (not the J-horror kind of the last few decades): Gate of Hell (Jigokumon, more drama than adventure but still had a fairly wide distribution in the West thanks to its glorious colour spectacle), Seven Samurai, Ugetsu, The Hidden Fortress, Yojimbo, Harakiri, Zatoichi (all 26 of them), Lone Wolf and Cub (6), Shogun Assassin, Lady Snowblood, Kwaidan, Samurai Rebellion.Chinese cinema was almost wholly unknown to the West until the 70s. Even after it did gain distribution in the West it was almost exclusively Hong Kong chop socky with mainland China still being nearly completely unknown until well after OA was published, the same for Taiwanese films.Japanese films were much more prestigious and had two decades to establish themselves as default Asian cinema. Chinese films were much more limited to ethnic Chinese communities than Japanese. Japanese films were proper cinema while Chinese films were seen as low brow, low budget, low quality affairs.>it wasn't until Crouching Tiger that the West saw That I will dispute: Come Drink with Me. It wasn't anywhere near as widely distributed or popular as CTHD but it definitely made it to the West and showed some of us, man of whom where already favourably disposed to kung fu films, that they could be top shelf 30 years before CTHD was released.
>>97989282is this what schizophrenia looks like?
>>97989300No, the argument is that its outside of the first decade. how is this hard to grasp?
>>97989509you are a brown ESL subhuman with no D&D games, EVER
>>97990140lol im the pickle poster
>>97991556>Come Drink with Me.Interesting. I'll have to check this out.
>>97992279Based. Big fan of your work.
>>97992443Thanks, fren! I've since put everything into that large jar, including eggs. Been working on the second level of my dungeon lately, here's a sneak peek ;)
If a cleric were sent to another world, would he still be able to pray to his god for spells?
>>97992577From his god no, but another may take him under their wing. Also, dont forget that clerics can get first and second level spells without any divine help whatsoever
>>97992577Depends on your cosmology. Are gods extraplanar? If so, the source of the prayer doesn't matter; the cleric just changed their mailing address.
>>97992577He could pray all he wanted but if it worked or not is up to your DM.Manual of the Planes says that a cleric, including a druid, whose deity resides in an alternate prime or alternate ethereal plane can only cast 1st and 2nd level spells. Whether or not your other world is on the same or a different prime material is up to the DMMOTP says the same sort or restriction exists when on alternate planes. Clerics on an ethereal plane only acquire spells above 2nd level if their deity's home is the ethereal or adjacent to the ethereal (prime, inner, or demi-plane). Clerics in the Outer planes regain spells normally on their deity's home plane, otherwise only 1st and 2nd level.In later books clerics and paladins might be able to reach an agreement with a local deity exhibiting a compatible ethos, or with the supernatural servants of a local deity for spells below 6th level. Again, up to the DM. Especially important when introducing the idea of crystal spheres or jumping through portals to new locations every new adventure.Spelljammer explicitly said cast gate to access your deity when in a different sphere, or that the world had to have established worshippers. It does say something about "or a similar power" but it doesn't say what this means. Is Tyr similar to Kiri-Jolith or Pholtus or St Cuthbert who are gods of war or unbending order or truth?
>>97992923>SpelljammerNot OSR. Please take this discussion elsewhere, thanks.
