Why do people try to act like the Imperium isn't justified in its actions and hatred?
>>97984137Why dont you post your models if you even hobby?
>>97984137Even the most well accepted abhuman looks more monstrous than that woman, that's just a girl with horns. That shit wouldn't even get past the "acceptable deformity line" for what you'd find in your average hiveworld or factorium
>>97984177Goat ears and horns are still mutated enough to be evil
>>97984137Why do people post about secondary bullshit on the board for games, when there are so many other places to talk about nongames?
>>97984233Because games are for incel chuds.
>>97984204Anon, if they executed every single citizen with some tiny mutation or abnormity like tiny horns they'd have to purge every single hiveworld and factorium. The only people who would call a woman with tiny horns a mutant would be the most overzealous black templar wannabe who'd probably end up getting a bolter to the back of the head for annoying too many people with his scruples.
>>97984282Post models.
Why do people pick up the "pick your favorite flavor of intensely cartoonishly evil villain" game and then get into autistic arguments about how actually they're totally playing the good guys?
>>97984327The bigger question is why is op refusing to post his models for the game who's lore he cares so much about.
>>97984282There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt, killing someone is always justified.
>>97984137The Imperium was made by Bongs. If you know anything about Bong history, you know they often surpassed in cruelty and pettiness other stereotypical evil or harsh empires of even their time.
>>97984249So then go to the places about nongames.
>>9798413740k isn't meant to be looked at in terms of 21st century politics, it's supposed to awe you with its grand narrative spanning thousands of years and an entire galaxy.
>>97984159>>97984342Why are you refusing to post yours?
>>97984159>>97984317Next time request models with a model pic with a time stamp so we know it is genuine and not trolling.Or in this case poor thread policing.
>>97984159 >>97984233 >>97984317>>97984461 >>97984515All of you need to be banned.
>>97984996Actually, the people who don't want to talk about games on the board for talking about games should be banned from the board for talking about games.
>>97984996Don't lump me in with those retards, thank you very much>>97985020You will never fit in
>>97984137Because it makes them uncomfortable and hurts their feelings. The people who don't like it are the ones who want everything Disneyfied. Look at the discourse over Frieren's demons, for example.
>>97985305Conditioned fear response. Its not actually their fault, its more proper to blame the improvised censorship system forced on digital spaces over the last fifteen years. Terminally onlines from big cities like London and LA have it the worst, if you broach a topic about a game with the slightest hint of a parallel to some realpolitik they start screeching, shitting and pulling their hair out when this was entirely the norm and what made discussing the settings so fun and interesting pre-clownworld.
>>97984137The actual stories and lore itself disputes it at times and depict instances where they go off and basically shot themself or made thing worse due to overzealousness and paranoia. But that's the whole point of it being grim. Anything sensible or that can solve things in a way that is contrary to that, cannot be allowed work so as to maintain the grimness.
>>97985033I don't give a shit what you think.Talk about games or fuck off.
>>97985020Wrong, go back and kill yourself
>>97986496LMAO it's rare to see a real oldtroon in the wild, I thought most of your kind had killed xemselves.
>>97986471Start anytime, shitposter-kun
>>97985020>>97986471Shut up loser LOL nobody loves you
>>97986754When people get more receptive to it and the off-topic demoralizing brigade fucks away, I will.
The issue is not that the imperium is unjustified in hating chaos, fucked up evil mutants, evil aliens and so on The issue is that their methods against them and the way they treat their own subjects are outright retarded and only make their issues worse. There's countless corrupt people running the imperium from planetary governors, to the adminsitratum, to the high lords of terra who dont really gaf about humanity at large and only care about their own well being and their wealth piles not being hoarded by necrons. Countless valuable resources are lost for petty gains and idolatry, people fall to chaos in droves because they simply cant stand living in dirt anymore, xenos take world after world on their borders because authorities couldnt be bothered to check on how the place was going even after not going there for 300 yearse. The imperium is just ineffective, selfish, proud and stupid and that makes their cruelty all the more barbaric and needless. The issue is not their cruelty but their idiocy and the ladder is largely a product of the former
>>97989354>The issue is not that the imperium is unjustified in hating chaos, fucked up evil mutants, evil aliens and so on>The issue is that their methods against them and the way they treat their own subjects are outright retarded and only make their issues worse.I mean the Imperium's hyper Xenophobia is not really justified either...Sure you've got things like the Orks, Necrons, and Tyranids, but all those dangerous alien threats are just what's left over after the Great Crusade purged any Xeno friendly with Humanity off the face of the Galaxy.Other than being yet another cause of GrimDerp, the Emperor just hated Aliens despite his end goal mostly cribbing off the Eldar's notes.
>>97989354>outright retarded and only make their issues worseI disagree. Its necessary because the emperor more or less force isekai'd humans into space at gunpoint before they were really ready for it as a species. As soon as it was naptime for him, everything degraded in a not unexpected way because of this based on what we've seen in the present and human history. Everything the imperium does is justified improvised tardwrangling in absence of their emperor Macguffin.>countless corrupt people running the imperiumThis will never not be the case because the role of politicians isn't actually as a ruling class, its as a proxy citizens delegate civic responsibility to. Without the benefits such a position promises, no one would ever want that job. It would be smarter to just live a humble life for yourself, like most people do, which is just as selfish if you think about it.>The issue is not their cruelty but their idiocyI disagree here as well, but mostly just because this idiocy is just the best any human can do. Even the primarchs are more than a little retarded despite being the best anyone could make them, because imperfect beings can never create a perfect one. This also applies to AI, which I find to be the most unbelievable part of the setting. They made omnipotent AI, somehow, just to turn it into a fun mystery box from the distant past when it would've been more consistent for it to have never existed in the first place. At least not as the usual skynet pro-gayme theory meme.
They do many things with clear justification: Tyranids, Orks, Necrons, Chaos, Dark Eldar are clearly threats that should be killed on sight by everyone.Eldar and Tau should be allied with, maybe centuries ago they were big problems but the arrival and reemergence of all the great threats mentioned previously are just too great. The Imperium actively grinds itself down more than it should because of its retarded devotion to a 10,000 year old dogma that is long since outdated.There’s probably numerous minor Xenos races that would 100% fight to save themselves from the major threats. But the imperium still imagines itself as the great threat it once was instead of a near dead corpse. If they just stopped being retarded about a few things they could instantly transform the setting to a noble dark one.Hell, chaos is only so strong as a reflection to how dogshit the imperium is to its people. You don’t get major slaanesh cults without a millenia old landed nobility full of Epstein island attendees. You don’t get Khorne without endless grinding conquest without reason. You don’t get nurgle or tzeentch without a people so devoid of hope and so brutally crushed they turn to just about anything else. Hell even genestealer cults have the best success in imperial planets because there’s so many dissatisfied people.
>>97989486>the emperor more or less force isekai'd humans into space at gunpoint before they were really ready for it as a species...The fuck?!>>97989507>But the imperium still imagines itself as the great threat it once was instead of a near dead corpse.Even this is a strange contradiction; The Dark Age of Technology, the setting's self-admitted height of Human Civilization, was somehow concurrent with the peak of Eldar Civilization.The Great Crusades are but a shadow of this peak, the frantic final gambit of a barbarian demi-god to try and reclaim that glory.Yet, while he is so adamant that this be a Human only effort, he is again trying to copy the Eldar to pull it off.
>>97989354>The issue is that their methods against them and the way they treat their own subjects are outright retarded and only make their issues worse.Humanity betrayed the emperor, they deserve their treatment
>>97989702>...The fuck?!The unification wars, establishing a single world government, space initiative? That was all him. Humans were not and could not have done any of that without magical macguffin man forcing it to happen with his shaman space wizard magic.
>>97989812Yeah, but that was AFTER the Long Night, Humanity had into Spess but everything went to shit when Slaanesh was born.
>>97989841That doesn't sound right, one of us is terribly wrong about the timeline but I also don't really want to read about it, I haven't been interested in 40k since the changeover to 6th edition.
>>97984137>>97984159Wouldn't it be nice if this board had jannies who actually did their job and banned the fuck out of "people" like OP? I hope that whoever buys 4chan next (lol) brings in paid mods who really love using the banhammer.
>>97989702>The Dark Age of Technology, the setting's self-admitted height of Human Civilization, was somehow concurrent with the peak of Eldar Civilization.I wonder if the Eldar caused the Age of Strife after seeing humanity become too uppity. It would partly explain the Emperor’s autistic drive to conquer the webway
>>97990060>The Eldar birthing Slaanesh on purposeThat might be the most retarded idea I've ever heard
>>97990009Reddit is more active and I think you'd be much happier there, especially since the metrics say 40k subreddit users overlap heavily with interracial and cuckoldry subreddits. Everything you love in one convenient place.
>>97990309>hurr durr love it or leave itKindly get fucked asshole. Subhumans like (You) are the cancer of the internet.
>>97990009You don't want that. It will somehow be worse than it is now.>>97990309>especially since the metrics say 40k subreddit users overlap heavily with interracial and cuckoldry subredditsI need confirmation of this. I need a good laugh.
>>97989880>I haven't been interested in 40k since the changeover to 6th edition.Fair, I'm glad I got scared away from the actual game by the change over to 8th myself.>>97990060>>97990104>>The Eldar birthing Slaanesh on purpose>That might be the most retarded idea I've ever heardYeah, it's honestly more likely the Eldar were too busy murderaping that they didn't even notice humanity sprouting up...
>>97984137>Why do people try to act like the Imperium isn't justified in its actions and hatred?Because on the small scale their policies cause unconscionable tragedy, often to individuals who do not deserve it. A lot of people can't respect the fact that these policies are set in stone to deal with big picture problems. What is worse:1) A tragic and terrible death for one person who does not deserve it.2) The downfall of a planet's entire civilization and billions of souls being lost to the monsters of the warp because one person who did deserve it got through?It's the trolley dilemma on a massive scale, to the point that the question itself is pointless. Saving three people from a painful death versus allowing billions to be enslaved by extradimensional nightmares is not a dilemma at all.Look at 40k: Rogue Trader, within the first two acts I saved dozens from the tyranny of their leaders only to wipe out an entire planet to prevent them from suffering a fate worse than death. These decisions are schizophrenic because fighting Chaos outright requires you to be evil. Protect the lives of billions you've never met versus protect the life of one poor mutant that was born into a short miserable life and begged you for mercy. Choose.
>>97990419Even then, those people still deserve it, they betrayed the emperor.
>>97986537Do you really honestly think /tg/ is better now or are you just being ironic.
>>97990331>Being so militantly apolitical you become the nahtzee of neutralityWhat fresh internet hellspawn is this?
>>97984204>>97984282Whether she's called a mutant and abused for it is different from whether the Imperium tolerates her as an organization. Horns and funny ears are firmly in the category of "suspicious and treated badly", whereas if you actually look like a Goatman you are a Proscribed Citizen. Any further beyond that point you are XENOS, i.e. not considered even proximal to human anymore.
>>97988412Funny how the ones who shitpost about games are the ones that always find an excuse not to discuss them
>>97989420>but all those dangerous alien threats are just what's left over after the Great Crusade purged any Xeno friendly with HumanityThe hate against xenos in the great crusade was exactly due to the rampant xenos threat and they shit they put humanity through during the age of darkness.
>>97984137the lore explicitly says that the imperium is a dystopic mockery of the emperor's intentions
>>97984137Because 40k grimderp garbage where only xenos get to be righteous.
>>97992585And the xenos 'threats' were directly caused by DAOT Mankind's expansionist aggression towards everything that couldn't kill them with a glare.
>>97986471lurk more /tg/ isn't just for games
>>97992585>>97993178Not to mention some of the greatest resistance to the Great Crusade were Human Xenos alliances.
>>97984381Yeah so? By this "logic" the Imperium wouldn't have any citizens in it since all of them would have been justifiably killed by some zealot or another. This is some of what people are talking about when they mention grimderp, btw.
>>97990419When I played Rogue Trader I just went mostly iconoclast and let the chips fall where they may, aside from a few things here and there. I refuse to choose to do something evil, even if it's the lesser evil.
>>97990104Age of Strife was 25k-30kSlaanesh was born in 30k, which suddenly ended the Age of StrifeThe Age of Strife was characterized by>Sudden warp storms across most of human space>A huge increase of psykersI wonder which psychically gifted race was at it's greatest height during this time...curious how the moment the Eldar fall the Age of Strife ends
Astartes are filthy mutants.
>>97993178So the Imperium shouldn't have saved human planets during the great crusade because of some retarded notion of white guilt over colonizations that happened thousands of years before?
