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>>97988603
When are we going to bully the vampires out of /WoD/? Despite only being 15% of the franchise, they cause 50% of the shitposting.

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>>97988346
Not really but my next game will have shipment of Armalites as a plot point.

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>>97988616
Ah the werewolf killer. I remember an Anon breaking down how the gun was impractical irl and must have been weird Weaver bullshit given it had a dozen possible failure points but like if a mage or another supernatural infused magic into those bullets it deals about the same damage nuke tier damage.

>>97988616
A gun that shouldn't work but does! Coming to a store near you!

How will the thinskins ruin this thread...

>>97988346
>Has significant military hardware ever been used in any of your chronicles? If it's illegal for an American civilian to own in any state, that's the sort of shit I'm talking about.
I had to throw groups of tanks and laters full on mechs Armored Core style against my players when they sorta... trivialised most normal enemies.
When your Mage players advance enough, it is hard to keep it challenging when most things they do just destroys your planned enemies.

>>97988613
Speaking of Atlantis, I am planning a short story on the exploration of it. I am not sure if I should use Dreaming Atlantis, Hollow Earth Atlantis or actual Atlantis on Earth.
On one hand, Fae stuff can be fun. My Hermetic player would prefer it even. On the other hand, my Etherite players 100% wants Hollow Earth journeys.

Maybe I should do some weird, spacetime anomaly that bridges all three of them together? Similar to Fae Paths, they could provide travel between Dreaming, Hollow Earth and normal Earth. I might even be able to use it in the future chronicles of the campaign as a plot point.

Damn, the last thread reached page 9 before I could bake the new one. But since this is a WoD5 general...
>>97988422
>The Tremere are so much more than just wizards.
Theyre also the perfect juiceboxes since you can sip from them as much as you want without becoming blood bonded.

>>97988879
>I had to throw groups of tanks and laters full on mechs Armored Core style
Come on, now I need a qrd on that

>>97988346
>Has significant military hardware ever been used in any of your chronicles?
In our old chronicle there was an old black unmarked B-52 which every couple of months would fly over the city with its bomb bay doors open. At some point over the city (different each time), it would peel off out over the ocean or the mountains and then return in the direction that it came from. We were all pretty sure that the government knew how paranormally fucked the city was and were drilling getting rid of it.

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Reply to this comment if you'd be willing to make a fan-reboot of the World of Darkness. We'll discuss the details after I return home from work.

>>97989225
You're vastly underestimating the amount of work rebooting WoD would take
It definitely needs it, WoD is absurdly poorly written but I can also understand why even official writers haven't tried it

>>97989019
>We were all pretty sure that the government knew how paranormally fucked the city was and were drilling getting rid of it.
This is an 'issue' that I've been having with my world-building. I've ended up with a city with less than a million people, that is home to roughly seventy mages (including every faction), around twenty vampires, half a dozen werewolves, a smorgasbord of ghosts and a fucking mountain of fairies. While I don't give a shit about White Wolf's official figures for supernatural populations and consider them ridiculously conservative, I do occasionally wonder why the Technocracy wouldn't just wipe the region off of the map.

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>>97988346
Anyone got games with player openings? (in before discords)

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>be me, Southern history professor from Georgia and a Tremere neonate:
>have twinkish appearance because I am a nerd but at least I am not ugly
>get constantly told I look like this cannibalistic, sister fucking weirdo from a weird ass video game

It's because I'm a Dunsirn by birth ain't it?

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>>97989363
Breed your sister Andy. We're all waiting.

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>>97989225
this will only end in disaster and i'm here for it

What are the most powerful three mage spheres?

>>97989330
>I do occasionally wonder why the Technocracy wouldn't just wipe the region off of the map
Secret lab housing horizon gateway, please understand.

>>97989437
There are no weak spheres, only uncreative users. But in a gameplay sense? Time, prime and correspondence. Entropy and Life are up there too.

>>97989437
Correspondence
>Whatever I can do, I can do it from the other side of the planet, which I can teleport to instantaneously.
Prime
>Whatever I can do, I have a far easier time doing it and can make doing shit far harder for other mages and can make Wonders to do shit for me.
Spirit
>Whatever I can't do, I can summon spirits to do for me instead. Also, I can Awaken and unAwaken people, that's fun.

>>97989377

Bubble butt muscle studs are more my type. I swear somethin' in the water durin' OSS trainin' turned me into a homo.

>>97988685
>>97988674
Is this based on that one discontinued bullpup rifle that every military dude claimed worked like magic since they didn't understand how it performed so well but was so expensive to produce that it never really went into mass production?

>>97989225
Certainly a taller order than is worth the effort, considering the amount of lore you'd have to rewrite and the way every different anon has a different idea about what makes the IP good or what splats are worth playing or well written or engaging

>>97989477
But couldn't they just mass teleport the secret lab? And if it's REALLY a secret lab like the type Umbrella builds in RE then you can just make a super deep bunker like Ark and keep it safe from nukes

>>97989610
>But couldn't they just mass teleport the secret lab?
Could be a huge paradox backlash risk and would be pretty clostly to do
>And if it's REALLY a secret lab like the type Umbrella builds in RE then you can just make a super deep bunker like Ark and keep it safe from nukes
Nuking a whole city off the map would be a last resort kind of thing. Nobody wants to nuke a node (and a nearly a milion sleepers), especially if the RDs are not actively trying to destroy the consensus or using the place as a stronghold from where they can actually threaten union operations on a massive scale. You'd need to go through a lot of union bureaucracy since someone would need to find a way to cover it up.

>>97989363
>Tremere neonate
Ho-
>M*le
This poster right here, voivode.

>>97989649
A game where you play some technocracy hit squad against a bunch of reality deviants since the technocracy can't afford to nuke the place would be pretty fun. Like X-com or something

>>97989590
>I swear somethin' in the water durin' OSS trainin' turned me into a homo.
Truman a Union plant confirmed?

>>97989590
Thats the worms rewritting your behavior, Do a parasite cleanse and then revel in heterosexuality.

>>97989773
Boomer shooter where you gun down reality deviants would be kino. Each chapter could have you playing as a different convention with different powers based on their spheres.
>Blacksuit with some Q division gadgets
>Borged out Iterator going terminator mode
>Progenitor with biomods and super combat drugs
>Void Engineer space marine (hardsuit segment included)
>Syndicate enforcer - earn money and buy stuff from other conventions

>>97989774

I can't forgive Truman for nuking the Catholic hub that was Nagasaki. Hurts as both a Catholic and historian. Them bein' yellow bastards lightens it just a tiny bit.

>>97989801

You ain't seen beauty until you've seen a handsome, clean shaven, well built GI gettin' sand off of him in Tunisia.

So Set is just Nylarthotep, right? The Followers seem to ape a lot of the aesthetics and general behavior of how his cults get portrayed in stuff like CoC.

>>97988685
link? sounds interesting

>>97989876
Nah that would actually be interesting and we can't have that.

>>97989437
Time if you aren't a fucking pussy

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How do I awaken to my Fae nature? How do I embody the Arcadian Spirit of whimsy and hope?

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>>97989950
You don't, now look into this pen.

>>97988346
I see this thread is off to a flying start.

>>97988346
So which Tremeres are insinuated to have helped the Vienna chantry raid again? I've heard both Karl Schrekt and Etrius have implications of involvement in it.

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>>97989773
>A game where you play some technocracy hit squad against a bunch of reality deviants since the technocracy can't afford to nuke the place would be pretty fun. Like X-com or something

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>>97989018
You see, one of my Etherites really wanted to play with Correspondace and had a malfunctioning Stargate go critical. (He literally botched twice in a single session while working on that thing)
I quickly rolled some dice, looked through Umbral realms and decided it created a fracture that leads to the Wicked City...which was quickly growing.

By the time someone more competent in Correspondance came, I threw around two dozen Demonic Hitmarks (see pic) which they munched on quickly. (Particularly my murderhobo, the other Etherite, got like 17 of them by herself. She had a watch Talisman that automatically casted Time 3 for extra actions, a vibro blade with fucking STR+7 Agg damage with Difficulty -2 for Attacks, Parry and Blocks and his fancy talisman clothes with Slipstream style enchanement that used something something quantum probality fuckery technobabble to give his opponents at least +2 difficulty to hit and +2 to Difficulty to their Damage rolls...at least.)
Then I sent 5 demonic tanks with better stats than M20 ones...which got thrown to the Umbra by my Hermetic because they couldn't really dodge or move in the wrecked chantry section fast enough to escape the portal. (I should mention, my murderhobo Etherite destroyed one of them by herself before that happened, in just two three)

After all that, I sent what is essentially a demonic tank++ in human form against them. She did well...for 5 turns. It got cockblocked by my murderhobo and got ganged by my Hermetic, managing to last 5 turns only because she had an absurd amount of Structure to go through before they could damage her Health levels.

All of that by my two Mages. My only Hermetic and my murderhobo Etherite. (The correspondence studying Etherite was the one who left to get help)

My opinion on tanks changed that day. All the weapons they have are useless when you cannot hit your opponent, when your opponent simply makes them ineffectual.I would say more but this is already at 2000 limit.

>>97990040
[Tremere]

>>97990322
Kino, simple as

>>97989363
Shouldn't that be Alabama?

>>97989330
>This is an 'issue' that I've been having with my world-building. I've ended up with a city with less than a million people, that is home to roughly seventy mages (including every faction), around twenty vampires, half a dozen werewolves, a smorgasbord of ghosts and a fucking mountain of fairies.
First of all, that sounds awesome. What my ST did for our current campaign was a big heap of handwavium, but it works. There is 'something' affecting the entire city which causes Auspex aura reading, Scent of the True Form, and any other form of automatic supernatural detection to simply not work. Not only does this make a high paranormal density more believable, it's actually in part the CAUSE of it: the city is well-known as being a good place for paranormal beings to lay low, so they've been flocking there for decades.
> I do occasionally wonder why the Technocracy wouldn't just wipe the region off of the map.
Well, THAT in particular isn't as much of an issue for this particular chronical; because the Technocracy and every other order of Mages is in complete shambles at the moment.

>>97989806
My ST would play that in a heartbeat.

>>97990705
Is this the three ruling styles?
>Social compacts, favors, and savvy puppeteering
>Violent domination, slave labor, standing armies
>Schizophrenic inbred cruelty, fear, and dick sculptures made of human flesh

>>97990765
That's Clans Tzimisce, Lasombra and Ventrue (respectively) in a nutshell, yes.

>>97990831

Tzimisce are fucked up. They watch Hellraiser and get boners.

>>97990846
To be fair popping a stiffy while watching Hellraiser is a perfectly normal reaction.

So today has been an interesting day for Shark.

So last time he devoured the Gangrel Primogen, sent garous on their clan and eradicated them from the region, as well as murdering the Tremere harpy. He also diablerized his creator. The Tremere ex-sheriff of Munich.

Well Shark and his coterie were told by their sabbat allies to go to Elysium. They were REALLY EXCITED for what comes next.

The Prince of Munich, the Tremere known as Felix Ritter was absolutely livid at Shark’s antics. Again. The new Sheriff, a Lasombra elder called The Malpais (Joshua Graham) reported us siding with the garous against kindreds. Also Shark had obvious black streaks on his soul. So Prince Ritter declared a Blood Hunt on Shark’s entire coterie.

We had 24h to leave or we would be hunted. Our Tzimisce’s sire, trying not to laugh out loud on our way out, explained that it was all part of the plan.

Half of Prince Felix Ritter’s court was Sabbat members. The other half wanted him deposed. The few who were “loyal” to him and still alive are:
>Gothmog, one of the first Gargoyles. Bound to serve the current prince of Munich
>Sir Caradoc, Brujah Templar
>Mother Isabella, Toreador Primogen, Shark’s nemesis, has True Faith and possibly achieved Golconda

We decided to bait the court with our elite element benders revenants and nazi soldiers allies. We didn’t get what we expected

The Brujah commies attacked Berlin again with an even bigger army. And vehicles with heavy guns.

The latter were torched by our firebenders and the soldiers. The former, along with a squads of ghouls and kindreds boosted by combined disciplines were taken care of by Shark. He managed to blood buff every physical stat to 10 beforehand and snack some more before the fight. I literally turned the game into Dynasty Warriors.

>>97990913
After dealing with the communists we came back to Elysium.

The Malpais was sitting on the throne. Turns out he has been magically enslaved by Prince Felix Ritter’s predecessor. Now he was freed and came back to the Sabbat. How that happened was because Gregori Rasputin, the Cardinal of the Sabbat found the mystical contract binding him and destroyed it. The Malpais effortlessly decapitated Felix Ritter. That’s the difference between a real elder and one who became an elder recently.

The three loyalists fled. Also I forgot to mention it but Mother Isabella was dressed like a Sister of Battle.

So we each got rewarded with five dots of domain. And Shark was allowed free rein to hunt inside Munich. Shark was gifted Mother Isabella’s domain since everyone knows that they are enemies. The Sabbat was hoping that Shark would murder Mother Isabella’s people and force her to come back to Munich to kill Shark, but I decided to give the domain to the Giovanni pack member. Shark can hunt anywhere he wants, so he has no need for territory. The Giovanni promised that he will help Shark’s evolution. He will feed him humans and kindreds.

You see Shark isn’t exactly a kindred. At best he would be described as kindred+. His body and mind mutates and evolves at a pace and level that would make any tzimisce envious.

So I introduced to the ST the concept of Evolution Points. The more people and vampires he eats, the more Shark evolves. A human is worth a single point. Vampires more but the ST has to determine in a case by case basis. Shark is currently at 2750+ humans (vamps have yet to be decided). He will get his first stage of evolution at probably 3000. ST has suggested a first level Black Spiral Dancer gift.

That’s all

>>97989806
That's just Cruelty Squad

>>97989950
Take some shrooms and hit your local Renaissance Fair.

>>97991040
... That sounds about right.

>>97991026
This chronicle seems like the roleplaying version of an acid trip. God I love it!

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>>97990765
The second applies to third as well. It actually applies MORE to the third.

>>97991093
>Violent domination (forma de The Godfather) vs Violent domination (forma de A Serbian Film)
What a disgusting movie

>>97989601
>the way every different anon has a different idea about what makes the IP good or what splats are worth playing or well written or engaging

This. Even within a single splat there can be wildly different ideas on what makes it good/fun/compelling/etc. I'm often reminded that my idea of what makes a WoD game fun is not the same as other people's.

Complain all you want about the camarilla, but at least it's better than the an*rchs.
Plus, almost no tzitrash and few shadowbois.

>>97989225
100%
WoD needs to disconnect from the writers who have decided the whole setting needs to change.
Plus all they have been doing is making shitty phone games.

>>97990666
>My ST would play that in a heartbeat.
I'm willing to say that even people with no knowledge of WoD would pick it up if the gameplay was good.

>>97990040
>So which Tremeres are insinuated to have helped the Vienna chantry raid again? I've heard both Karl Schrekt and Etrius have implications of involvement in it.
The only insinuation I've seen is the fact that when Etrius found out what was about to happen, he fled in the possessed body of one of his ghouls and didn't do anything to save anyone else?

Allegedly

>>97991180
I always enjoy hearing about what anons like about WoD and then engaging in a thread long argument over it

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>>97989262
True, but when did reality ever stop a mage?
>>97989391
Join me in glory!
>>97989601
Still, I need something to occupy my time when not waging.

>>97991078
Oh it’s so much fun. The ST is also pretty generous, especially to me and the Giovanni because we are the two players who are always attending. We are the constant. That’s why we get rewarded a lot and the ST allows stuff like handing Shark BSD gifts and Fomori mutations. Today we hit the 80 exp mark.

Well. My Mekhet has somehow also become a Sworn of the Queen of Swords from Princess The Hopeful

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>>97991205
What did you have in mind?

>>97991303
I don't even know what that means, but sounds good.
Congratulations, anon. Does the mekhet get to wear cute dresses now?

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>>97991240
Feel free to elaborate what you like about the World of Darkness.

>>97991315
Neither do I, but it made sense at the time. And probably.

The best part about this is that this Mekhet used to work in the anime industry (he was the ADR engineer on Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood) and is absolutely enjoying learning that anime is in fact real.

>>97991331
>Neither do I
Bruh. Don't sign up for shit without reading the fine print first.

>>97991405
He actually said to the queen of swords, "Normally, I would assume this comes with a catch, but you don't seem like you do."

The big issue is that her basic power that he gained is is fire themed...

>>97991327
I like the schizo conspiracy angle to the worldbuilding and how everyone is technically operating on being an unreliable narrator (even Lucifer and Grandma). I prefer the WoD RPG mechanics to other systems like apocalypse or roll20, though I also like Shadow Run. It just feels superior for roleplay even if the combat rules are mostly kind of silly. A lot of the games like DnD, even with good dungeon masters, try to kneecap you on what your character can do with what while WoD's more free approach to skills basically says
>Yeah sure, go for it but it won't be easy

Just overall rather enjoyable. I also like the edgy stuff, it makes the IP feel less like mass market appeal slop but admittedly this is reactionary

>>97991425
>queen of swords
Be ready for intense futa x your anus action.

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>>97991429
>I also like the edgy stuff
As do I.

>>97989225
Fuck it, why not?

>>97991444
Nice trips, Spawn was great. Shame it's stuck as an 80's and 90's IP instead of getting modern adaptations but frankly they'd probably mess it up

>>97991437
Score.

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>>97988346
This does make me wonder
Isn’t a coalition victory an assured thing?
Especially the further along it gets.
Given they have an operator ability that just *cancels* out vampire disc with technology that is then ready for production months later?
This will JUST lead to an eventual orggie victory yeah?

>>97990846
Let's be fair here, Hellraiser actually gave the BDSM community ideas.

>>97991437
>>97991405
>>97991425
Update: After a bit of reading Princess The Hopeful, the Queen of Swords is all about the power of love, which works because a while back my vampire started up a romantic relationship with the group's Demon.

This was originally a Hunter campaign, but it was slowly revealed that everyone in the group is supernatural in some way.

>>97991524
>Queen of Swords
She's clearly futa or a femboy.

>>97991543
You're saying that like it's a bad thing.

>>97989363
>Dunsirn
>Embraced outside the clan

Did you at least bring the Pyramid some Necromancy paths? And how's the Clan Enmity treating you?

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>>97989590

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On a scale of 1 to “death sentence,” how bad is a nine man SWAT team raid for the average party?
Im a newfag trying to get a sense of the power levels for this setting

>>97991613
>average party
What splat?
Is the raid during the day?

>>97991619
fug meant to say ‘average vampire party.’ From what Ive read, Garou would not give a shit.
Lets say nighttime to be fair

>>97991613
Assuming five neonates, that the SWAT team does not know they're vampires, and a fair spread of disciplines and ranged/melee ability... A moderate issue, I'd call it a 6/10.

Tear gas doesn't bother you. Flashbangs and smoke do a little but not as much as humans. Weight of fire is the main thing to be scared of. You beat them handily bullet per bullet especially with Fortitude but are better off lurking around corners and ambushing them with Celerity + Potence/Blood-Buffed melee. Realistically they'd start panicking the moment they see people shrug off gunshots and one of them plants a knife in their buddy's throat.

>>97991453
Post whatever ideas that you have. I'll respond when I see some activity.

>>97991632
Given shit like auspex, thaumaturgy and general kindred paranoia, there's a good chance the raid won't get the kindred by surprise - at least not to the degree they usually enjoy against common thugs. How much advantage the coterie gets from fighting in their home turf is going to vary widely, but smart vampires usually have a few tricks they can use.
Also, I'm assuming the swat team doesn't know about vampire shit.
Against your "default" coterie of ~5 lickers, my money would be on the kindred. Some kindred are likely to go into torpor, though.
On the other hand, a coterie of neonate nerds without extensive home gimmicks is probably going down.

>>97991468
>Shame it's stuck as an 80's and 90's IP
The same could be said of the World of Darkness.

>>97991613
okay
lets say a party of 5 sabbat vamps(Lasombra leader, Tzimisce, Toreador antitribu, City Gangrel antitribu, Ventrue antitribu) and at night in there group heaven.

3/10

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>>97991613
One mummy could take them all out.

>>97991240
>>97991327
I'm into the much more "grounded" end of things. I like it when WoD is walking that tightrope where you could honestly believe something like that could occur. Now that's obviously rather subjective, but I was sold on "vampires survive into the modern day by establishing a secret society, and they hide in plain sight, with most keeping it on the down-low, policing those that don't" pretty easily. I can absolutely believe immortal beings with the ability to wipe minds and turn invisible could pull that one off. One thing that's a must for me is that the masses have to matter, and not just as a resource or as background filler. Basically, I like occult and paranormal mysteries and thrillers in the nominal real world, with a certain raw, gritty edge to it. But not misery porn.

As for mechanics, I think that most creativity comes from some limitation, so when supernatural abilities are too freeform, it becomes less an exercise in creativity and more of an exercise in what you can persuade the ST into allowing. Supernatural templates don't need to conform and feel samey, but I'd like each to have some weaknesses and in a perfect world there'd be better internal balance between them. Make no mistake, my opposition to out there powers and desire for more parity doesn't mean I want WoD5 street level only, everyone sucks crap. I still want it to be fun for christ's sake. Yes to cool monster fights.

My favorite gameline is absolutely Hunter: the Vigil. It's versatile as hell and ticks most of my boxes. I also like both vampire lines, early CtL in spite of its jank, and recently I've been coming around on Werewolf the Forsaken. Lastly, there's a lot of hidden gems in the splat neutral 1e nWoD books like Inferno and Immortals.

>>97991560

I swear I have some dago fucker followin' me around. I keep seein' the same Sopranos extra and it's drivin' me mad. Luckily the Sheriff likes me, so I have extra protection.

What do you guys think are the best editions of Vampire and Werewolf? I'm a zoomer and didn't know much about the game, I got (pirated) the 5e books for both, my players didn't know anything about the game,so they didn't give me much feedback.

>>97991926
>I got (pirated) the 5e books for both,
You got the worst editions for both.

>Vampire
Second edition, Revised and V20 aren't THAT different. V20 is usually too much for a group of newbies and can induce choice paralysis, so I suggest you start with second edition or revised. Both can be found in the links in the OP.

>>97991926
Prepare yourself for a storm of differing opinions, my fellow zoomoid.

As for Vampire
>Mechanically
There's no version of WoD I would call mechanically rock-solid, but easily the best would be Requiem 2e. V5 has some basic improvements over the older VtM games, but whether you like it mechanically or not basically boils down to if you love or hate its new systems like Hunger or Messy Criticals. I hate them personally, but that's personal opinions on game design.

>Lore
Any pre-V5 VtM really. There's definitely differences, but nothing too major. I like to pick and choose, but gun to my head and I'd actually say 1e-early 2e. I just don't like how the metaplot developed.

I know less about werewolf, and this next part is more opinion-driven.
>Mechanics
I again have a bias towards the CofD2e stuff, but here it's more "what do you want werewolves to be?" Apoc Wolves are very blendy, with easy access to multiple attacks that absolutely shred. Forsaken Wolves on the other hand feel like more of a pursuit predator, with more of an emphasis on pack tactics (apoc isn't devoid of this, but forsaken gives it more focus). Both have spirit warrior powers stacked on this.

>Lore
eco spirit warriors fighting x-rated captain planet villains for the soul of the universe, with a looming apocalypse or solemn keepers of spiritual balance desperately upholding the sub-par status quo in the fact of a kitchen sink's worth of monsters and psychos.

So this one's a lot more about what flavor you want, I'd say.

>>97991926
Can 2nd here >>97991936 V20 (and all the 20s) are so large that they give my players choice paralysis so I'd recommend easing them into something else. V5 is at least playable if you ignore the terrible lore and just headcanon particularly weak Kindred, W5 is basically a different game entirely though.

>>97990332
I guess he decided potential third gen powers are not worth sharing headspace with Saulot for a second longer.

>>97991953
Oh and I forgot to mention that W5 is universally panned, much more than V5. It's not really Apocalypse despite claiming to be, and even if you really hate what Apoc is about, there's another Werewolf game right there. W5 is for pretty much nobody, hence why I didn't mention it in the analysis.

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>>97991908
>But not misery porn.
[Sad Wraith noises]

>>97991492
>This will JUST lead to an eventual orggie victory yeah?
Or it leads to vamps pulling the plug on human infrastructure because it's slim pickings or death. Like it's a known thing that the US is only a few of the right substations getting wrecked from the kind of blackout that cascades into a years long outage and kills upwards of a hundred million people. The infrastructure probably isn't any more robust in WoD.

>>97991613
>On a scale of 1 to “death sentence,” how bad is a nine man SWAT team raid for the average party?
3 or 4 at night, 10 out of 10 during the day when they're all helpless.

>>97992069
That would just knock out regular humans
Yeah?
I could imagine actual SI hedgehogs are pretty secure. Or at least their own buildings.
And it’s pretty obvious the technocracy is really pulling the strings behind the Coaltion
Highly doubt they wouldn’t be in it the moment something happens

I guess the Vatican (Don't remember if Russian orgs require Firstlight funding) would take over as the Coaltion leader if Firstlight and the IAO fall

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>>97989225
I'd prefer that the "Big 3" (Vampire, Werewolf, and Mage) should take a backseat to the other lines. They've had more than their fair share of attention. I think that Demon or Wraith should be the flagship line for this reboot.

>>97992143
>Wraith
Good luck with that.

>>97992133
>That would just knock out regular humans
A couple billion goons dying and the death of global consensus would be a pretty big distraction for the Technocrats too.

>>97992156
Yeah
Which the cause would come from the damage the vamps caused?
Mortal governments and techno mages would be on that ASAP alongside anyone else who enjoys living in a first world nation.
If anything it would probably increase the power of the government if they pull a Vienna and say a terror group did it to justify more military/glowie action within the US

>>97992176
Yeah but my point still stands, the most likely end result isn't an inevitable onesided vampire extermination it's vamps and humans going right into MAD until either the Antediluvians or one of the other apocalypses sweeps the board of survivors.

>>97992188
Lore wise it has been a one sided beat down for now, right?
They scored with Vienna, shriek.net, and London
Admittedly I don’t read much lore outside hunter stuff so I could be dead wrong.
But it *does* look like the SI is winning
If the writers were to continue I bet the would probably make the SI end up like the first inquisition and have them slowly break apart and just be small hunter cells like how the leopold was

Do you guys think we might get another VtM edition still under Paradox? Maybe they could finally set V5's jimbled mess of a setting straight with regards to the Camarilla's new clans, the Sabbat's continued existence and the organized Anarchs International?

2028 seems like a caballistic year what with the Camarilla-Giovanni deal coming to an end. Hecata joining the Anarchs as its sorcerers?

>>97992335
I fucking hope not, I'd rather they just completely bin the V5 setting and its changes and start from scratch, or just not touch it at all.

>>97992036
I can respect a game designed to be misery porn from the ground up, rather than one forced into the niche, but it's just not for me.

>>97991908
I enjoyed Hunter: the Vigil's tier system and its paranormal range of mortal-with-a-shotgun to half-demon demon-hunters.

>>97992335
>Do you guys think we might get another VtM edition still under Parado
unlikely. the agenda last we heard was to instead bring the rest of wod to wod 5 starting with Mage5, changeling5 and vampire the dark age5 and that was before vtmb2 flopped hard, several nu-white wolf personal jumped ship and months of radio silence since


so i would be very surprised if wod under paradox wasn't handing by a threat

>2028 seems like a caballistic year what with the Camarilla-Giovanni deal coming to an end. Hecata joining the Anarchs as its sorcerers?
that plot is especially unlikely to go anywhere because it's the brainchild of onyx path writers dawkins especially and he said that people working for renegade told him that he is amoung former vtm authors who are blacklisted because renegade doesn't want books in the style of cult of blood gods (where the hecata story is from) and v5's chicago by night

which is funny because those are often considered the best v5 books (faint praise i know) and renegade's output is considered to be pretty mid even by v5 standards, but that means that storyline is very likely dead-er than the rest of the setting

>>97991613
Depends on the splat and, really. Others talk about combat but the real problems start once you kill them. You better have someone covering your ass because the government will look into that shit (along with other interested parties). Getting into something that might look like an easy fight can bite you in the long run since pissing off the government is never a good idea. At best the local PD might be investigating and at worst you might be looking at the SAD and whatever else wants you dead. Cover it up or you might get fucked.

>>97991613
If I interpret "average party" as "five characters straight out of character creation," it depends on the game line and which group has the element of surprise.
>Vampires, SWAT has the advantage
6/10
>Vampires, level playing field
5/10
>Vampires, players have the advantage
4/10
>Werewolves, SWAT has the advantage
3/10
>Werewolves, level playing field
2/10
>Werewolves, players have the advantage
1/10
>Mages, SWAT has the advantage
8/10
>Mages, level playing field
6/10
>Mages, players have the advantage
3/10

>>97992335
Clan Hecata will join the Camarilla.

>>97991613
Your average Vampire neonate player group? 2 to 4. If they are experienced, they would know they can Bloodbuff their Dexterity quickly to at least 6 and there is a decent chance there is a combat specialist with Celerity and Potence (and Protean for the claws) that will murder the whole team in 3 turns.

Your average Garou pack? 1. There is nothing to say there.

Your average Mage group? Ranges from 1 to 6. Most of the time it really shouldn't be an issue but it really depends on players knowledge and how they prefer to play. Most newbies don't even know what a Wonder or a Talisman is and how important they are.

Your Wraith? Impossible for a normal SWAT to ever do anything to you but if you are facing the Wraith SWAT from Stygia, 4 to 8. Those guys are made to face things like you and get your ass into the soulforges.

Mummy? 2 to 4 but really, you are immortal so it doesn't even matter in the long run.

Imbued Hunter? 6-9, your powers mostly don't work on humans and you are mostly a normal human.

>>97992805
Also a lot of first world countries a SWAT team getting massacred is noteworthy enough that it might even be international news.

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>>97992805
There is a reason why it is recommended to Princes that they keep Police dominated and in their pockets.

>>97992143
Vampire won't go for a very important reason - it is the only splat, where "you were a human, now you are a woman supernatural being with powers", while still being more or less yourself and interacting with the same part of the world, but with a different role.
Werewolves suppose your character is already a werewolf. Mage is "You are a wizard, Harry", that moves you into something completely different.
Demon is not being a human at all, wraith is stopping being a human, mummy is almost a Demon situation.
Thus only vampire allows "entering" WoD gradually and from the point of view of "You, the Player" even if a roleplayed character is not even remotely a player - general knowledge allows to introduce literally anybody as if that anybody would've decided to casually stretch his legs during one particulary warm night only to find out, that some creep had been stalking you for years and has finally decided to Embrace you - entering WoD through Vampire is most relatable, as the player aren't required to know anything outside what he already knew before joining the game - and ST, like a sire, can give neonate all/need-to-know/zero knowledge about the world - and it would still work out nicely (provided ST is not a dick like most sires would end up being, or at least a very prepared dick with interesting stories in hand).

>>97992897
Technically one version of Mummy eases you into the setting as well, Mage and Wraith can both ease you into it depending on how it's handled too

>>97992897
This looks like vampire favoritism to me. All of the big three are open to a player playing a human who has only just become a creature of the night and needs to balance their new supernatural nature with their old human life, while being informed by a mentor figure about the situation that they've suddenly been thrust into, and this is far from the default method of playing a vampire.
VtM also isn't inherently more grounded than the other game lines, as it's built around the expectation that your character will become embroiled in sect politics and millennia-spanning feuds, rather than just live out their old life but as a vampire instead. Just like Werewolf and Mage, most Vampire chronicles usually dump the player-characters in the mess and assume that they're already acquainted with the setting.

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>>97988346
Give me the sluttist character concepts you have.

>>97992897
Wraith does need some degree of knowledge of how things work, but Demon literally has the Legacy background for how much background knowledge your char has. At Legacy 0, you don't know shit, and can easily just play as some guy who got wacked and now suddenly has supernatural powers wrestling with that new identity and all these 'demons' who keep trying to recruit you into their 'infernal courts' because apparently you used to be buds during the Time of Atrocities, whatever that may be.

>>97992805
>>97992858
The World of Darkness is inherently darker and more violent than the actual world and cares a hell of lot less about people dying, in order to enable a lot of the insane bullshit that happens. If this wasn't the case, 80% of every chronicle would be scrubbing murder scenes and covering up missing person cases, and people would be calling VtM CSI: Vampire instead of capeshit with fangs.

>>97992897
You could also use Hunter (the HH) kind as a starting point. You're a normie who just found out about X splat, go see what it is, that kind of thing.

>>97993016
Not me but two of my players were a couple and 100% used some parts of my chronicle as roleplay.
Because their characters were "step"sister and brother and very...into each other.

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>>97993016
Ok, but if i get banned again i'll blame you:
Fairest Flowering of the Spring Court who manwhores through life with little care for politics.
By putting a lot of dots into allies and contacts a stupid amount of things can be done without being in danger yourself. Likewise the Spring Courts magic is all about support (and bondage vines), so combined with the Fairests blessing of spending Willpower to boost other peoples rolls he would be the ultimative backline healer and bufftwink.

Will do anything for modest (by Arcadian standards, so luxurious) lodging and a bit of pocket money (by Arcadian standards, so a fortune). By the power of his kith anyone who is nearby gains the Swooned (or Leveraged) Condition, so he keeps getting away with being eye candy, loafing around lazily in the sun on rich family properties, pools and parties. RaW there are very few situations you can't slut your way out off in CofD, and for those you have the Crown Regalia. Being so openly a parasite on others is also a good defence against the Wild Hunt, as making pledges with the unfortunate hosts to keep them company and mooch off of their success literally makes you invisible in a way to the Gentry (acting in accordance with pledge to a mortal who knows about your fae nature that is).
Is this magical realm-y? Probably, but there wouldn't be dedicated slut options if we wheren't ment to abuse eternal youth, stunning good looks and literaly divine magic to be the best (worst) sluts we can be.

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>>97993016
Not really a slutty character concept, but my Setite character was a former French noble turned courtesan before ahe was Embraced in Egypt. Here's a scribble.

>>97993050
Still you the character is a demon - not the human, who had gotten pulled in. The atmosphere is closer to that of Zelazny's Amber (you're a super-prince with amnesia, but suddently you always were not a human), not "you are a common guy, who had been pulled in and had been changed". Flavour is different.
>>97993062
Technically, yes. However, in Hunter you STAY too much of a human - you just interact with "bad forces" without getting involved in their own inner works - when Demon is "you have always been a part of the theater troupe", hunter is "you aren't allowed backstage, enjoy your show" and you only can have glimpses through accidentially not closed doors. Vampire hits just the middle ground, where you ARE invited backstage, where you are introduced into power and faction - but had never been a part of it before. Just enough of a new magical (forma fuckeddo uppo) world you are now a legitimate part of mixed with being a normal guy just a few seconds ago.
Demon (along with Werewolf) automatically means "you're unusual by your very nature, The Chosen One", Hunter doesn't make you unusual at all for a really long time - and you are still an outsider to things magical. And mage is just less grounded since the beginning (not to mention it is not exactly "of Darkness" on its own unlike all other splats).
>>97992979
>All of the big three are open to a player playing a human who ... needs to balance their new supernatural nature with their old human life, while being informed by a mentor figure about the situation that they've suddenly been thrust into
Only vampire and mage. And if we would add "creature of the night" condition, mage would fall away too.

>>97993060
VtM CSI sounds incredible

>>97993216
>Malkavian, Gangrel and Nosferatu lead detectives
>Ventrue boss who threatens to get them off the case every other episode
>Tremere lab technician
Fund it

>>97993142
I’m now really curious about the history of this character. Please give the deep lore anon. And how is she doing now.

>>97993164
>Only vampire and mage. And if we would add "creature of the night" condition, mage would fall away too.
No. Most game lines work for this, unless you turn to extreme nitpicking, which is not something that new players casually introducing themselves to the setting would do.
>The nomenclature of 'creature of the night' is technically incorrect for mages because mages are still technically human, even though they're supernatural entities with secret societies much like all of the other game lines.
>Werewolves technically were never human because they were technically always going to become a werewolf from birth due to their heritage, even though they lived ordinary human lives prior to their First Change and were human in every way that matters before that point.
A new changeling that has undergone the Chrysalis and has to balance their uncovered fey nature with their old human life while learning the ropes from a Grump is a scenario that isn't all that different from a fledgeling vampire that has undergone the Embrace and has to balance their state of undeath with their old human life while learning the ropes from their Sire. Focusing on inconsequential technicalities is missing the forest for the trees, the point is that almost every game line can provide an experience almost identical to that of the fledgeling vampire.

>>97993016

I have that nerdy Tremere twink who is enamored with “bubble butt muscle stud” alpha men. Blames his 5’6” height and overbearing Dunsirn mother on why he’s gay. What makes him such a slut is how eager and obsessive he gets with men his type. He has turned his need to feel protected into part of that attraction.

>>97992979
Werewolves are born that way, you have a fair point about Mages though. You could do some very interesting things with an ordinary (or not so ordinary, for that matter) person who woke up one day with the power to alter reality through their will alone.
>>97993016
You just posted mine, honestly.

>>97993322
>Werewolves are born that way
Inconsequential detail, most non-Metis werewolves are never aware that they were a werewolf before their First Change and live mostly ordinary human/wolf lives. One day, something triggers their Rage and the First Change and suddenly, they're a werewolf in the ways that count and no longer a human/wolf in the ways that count.

>>97993016
Middle-aged college lecturer specialised in psychotherapy. She's actually a Son of Ether obsessed with Reichian therapy who seeks to enrich the orgone of her students and increase their likelihood of Awakening, which includes frequently fucking the prospects with the highest potential.

>>97993294
Tell me honestly - when you see a name like "World of Darkness", which kind of supernatural creature would you imagine: a vampire or some forest hobgoblin (provided you're not from British Isles)?
And then, again, you blame me on not seeing the forest when you yourself fail to see, that the entire atmosphere of other splats is different even (and especially) for a new player, who don't know any details yet and had only entered "create the character" phase. Everything either instantly makes your character to already be a special something even before "becoming" or is not "of Darkness" enough from the get-go or is Hunter. Only Vampire fits in properly (and, if i understand everything correctly, WoD is created around VtM, not VtM as a later addition to WoD, thus being the centerpiece in theme by default with everything else being a deviation from the original idea).
Thus anything else being put in the center wouldn't be World of Darkness without changing the theme so drastically you might as well give it a new, better fitting name.

>>97993412
You're dramatically over-emphasising the impact of a character being something special before the point of transformation, since in the majority of cases, it doesn't have a significant impact on their life before their transformation. They still have to go from living the life of a normal person to suddenly having to deal with being a supernatural entity in a secret society. I'll keep on repeating this if I have to.
Anyway, the World of Darkness grew beyond Vampire the Masquerade and is more than Vampire the Masquerade. You're welcome to invent your own personal definition of what is "of Darkness" and what is not, but clearly White Wolf never agreed with it, otherwise they wouldn't have made the rest of the World of Darkness.

>>97993351
>Ordinary lives
Most werewolves are born into semi-religious communes and at least raised as kinfolk, not quite out and out Garou but they're given enough education to know they're part of something different. The rage and first change thing being a somewhat random trigger is a W5 thing

>>97993105
KYS Hedgefag

>>97993016
This feels more like confessing a /tg/ sin, but what motivated me to make the berserker girl based on khorn aligned cultist-chan wasn’t the /tg/ thread. It was the one on /v/. Sure I’ve seen the one on this board before the other but it didn’t inspired me.

The one on /v/ had someone making a greentext about a fellow khornate cultist being done with cultist-chan’s taunts and decided to beat her up and rape her. She kept being a brat throughout the whole thing. I almost considered taking the immunity merit with its weakness being asphyxiation, since that’s how khornate anon weakened cultist-chan while raping her. I also envisioned another weakness instead, but it’s too much and I’m not retarded to the point that I’ll bring it to an actual table.

Also she’s practically naked with the exception of boots and a loincloth that covers only the front.

I want to add that in real games I do intend to play her straight.

>>97993547
A look at most homid sample characters reveals that they're really not that well-informed before their First Change.

>>97993466
Again, you fail to see my point of view. Not the character - the player will see this differently because of a magical bloodline of the character. Remember "somebody got the poo person on their test" small comics? Despite clearly being on certain side of "chosen ones good - chosen ones bad", it talks about the same thing. Vampire is not about "chosen by Fate(tm) to be special", it is at most "chosen by some wacko from a crowd". A completely different feel.
>what is "of Darkness" and what is not
Clearly you can create your own mythology and redefine everything, but WoD relies heavily on sleeper's opinion about that moment, so the very moment you deviate too much from that - it is not "of Darkness" anywhere, but in your own headcanon. Enjoy getting paradoxed trying to prove everyone, that "magical crystals of light, kindness and all good" is "of Darkness".

>>97993105
Nice.
If it works, it works.

This "it's not WoD if it's not VtM" fella must be the same guy as the Tremere fanboy from the last thread.

>>97993060
>If this wasn't the case, 80% of every chronicle would be scrubbing murder scenes and covering up missing person cases
A competent ST should punish you for not thinking your rampage through. Having superpowers is nice but having your vampire overlord figure out the logistical side of things is even better. WoD's america is a lot more heavy-handed than the real thing and no government let's attacking their enforcers slide.

Are there stories of garou pissing off the wrong hunter and paying dearly for it? They're hard to kill, not unkillable, and being run over by a hijacked tank will kill anything.

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>>97993624
>and being run over by a hijacked tank will kill anything.

>>97993624
Remember, DNA became a thing because some Glass Walker scrub thought he could steal some of their tech, got shot by basic bitch security guards and got experimented on.

>>97993648
Was he full wolf or just kinfolk though?
>>97993637
Wolverine doesn't look very happy to me,

Werewolf durability is overstated. Sterling silver isn't subject to the rules lawyering horse shit that cold iron is, and colloidal silver still counts as well.

>>97993656
>Was he full wolf or just kinfolk though?
Full woof

>>97993621
I agree with you.

Funnily enough in Shark’s chronicle, since he was a prototype for a new kind of gargoyle the sheriff and their sire the prince covered up his 2000+ murders in the city.

When the prince had enough and deemed Shark too wild and unpredictable to become a servant like the gargoyles, Shark had the sabbat killed them off. And now he’s under their protection to feed as he pleases just like before!

>>97993666
And blowing their heads off kills them outright. Sure, they can recover from that, but they need to KNOW they're going to be poked first or be so powerful what kills them is not that

>>97993666
Best way to kill them is to ambush them while in breed form. Finding out who or what they are might be tricky but it sure beats trying to fight them without the element of surprise or a lot of heavily armed people backing you up.

>>97993637
This just made me picture how fucking scary Wolverine would be in the WOD

>>97993721
The mere concept of supers would be scary in WOD. Imagine Superman actually making the world a better place, or Thor's mere presence implying that Gaia is a sham, or Hulk's own rage surpassing any Garou's.

Or Omni-man just wiping out most supernaturals that don't explicitely need magic to die.

>>97993737
Technocracy would have gotten rid of those long ago

>>97993737
Shit, the Antediluvians would be pissing their pants if Goku was around. Caine wouldn't stand a chance against Batman with enough prep time either.

>>97993745
Not Dr. Manhattan nor Darkseid

>>97993621
>A competent ST should punish you for not thinking your rampage through.
There's a balance to be found. Nothing wrong with punishing players for leaving behind a bloodbath without any attempt to cover it up, but if NPCs do go full CSI at every crime scene that players cause, then the amount of precautions that players would need to take whenever they want to kill anyone would quickly become unfun.

>>97993750
It's been a long time since I read Watchmen but I don't think Manhattan would go against Technocracy. Darkseid definitely would though and that'd be interesting

>>97993737
No shit, it's almost as if the character operate in a completely different scale.

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>>97993745
What sphere would Sexy Lexy have?

>>97993771
I pity the Garou who pisses off Punisher. Delirium would just make him angry, which would be very, VERY bad

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>>97993747
>Caine wouldn't stand a chance against Batman with enough prep time either.
Um, no. Sorry, but Caine could wipe the floor with any bitchass superhero.

>>97993747
Batman can't even his own irradiated caveman.
On the other hand there is the one-shot about Batman becoming a vampire. And another one about Batman becoming some weird fucked up creepy shit after descending really deep in the bowels of some kind of a super-Gothic Gotham.
>>97993779
Wouldn't Punisher be just a high-level Hunter?

>>97993758
That's why it's best practice to be an arsonist.

>>97993761
Manhattan went with Ozymandias's plan so he'd def side with the technocracy. Hell, they'd probably be all for it since he became what he is thanks to science and not some supernatural phenomena.

>>97993795
Put him agains fucking Thor or Hercules and then we'll talk.

>>97993808
No. Caine beats anyone and everyone. It's literally canon.

>>97993747
Batman is supposed to be peak human, without any supernatural advantage from birth, except for great genetics for intelligence and body of course.
In WoD he'd 100% be a mage that awakened when he was 8 or so

>>97993779
I get that guy is an actual character but I don't care enough about Frank to give him a win against a mid rank woof in most cases even if he should be able to do most of the work before even a single dice is rolled.

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>>97993761
What splat would he be?

>>97993834
Deal with it, thinskin dogfucker.

>>97993829
I mean yeah the guy is akashic in all but name because of the Tibetan Monks meme.

>>97993838
A really skilled human

>>97993795
>>97993812
Caine meeting Shang Bu Huan would be interesting.
https://youtu.be/qy5BkKuJFoE

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>>97993838
Nosferatu

>>97993852
Caine still wins.

>>97993855
I never implied they'd fight.

>>97993808
If even supermegagigatzigga, that can only be defeated on octiple, can alone be the entire ToJ Apocalypse variant, Caine, who had lived longer and is a progenitor, clearly can do even more.
>>97993838
Changeling: The Rapening.

>>97993860
Don't care, Caine still wins, because God himself will literally never allow Caine to stop suffering.

>>97993838
Schizophrenic 2e
>>97993844
And you sound insecure about the characters you like not being able to do anything against anyone with an actual name.

>>97993855
Then he meets Megatron and loses hard. And yes, the Transformers debuted in Marvel, so they're comic characters

>>97993899
God literally won't let Caine lose, so no, Megatron loses against Caine.

>>97993904
Doom's will is stronger than God's, so if Doom was Cain dead he's fucking dead.

>>97993914
I'm talking actual fucking God, you retard.

>>97993918
And I'm talking about fucking Doctor Doom, moron.

>>97993934
I'm talking about literal omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God, who will not let Caine die. Doom loses.

None of you play any of these games. Not oWod, not nWoD, not even 5e.

>>97993958
Did I upset you, thinskin?

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>>97988346
We Garou should rule the world, all other inferior beings should suck our feral dicks.

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>>97993869
I don't want to be that guy but Caine fucking dies in ToJ.
I am not even talking about God in Wormwood as he doesn't even get a dignified death in there but in Fair is Faul fucking Lasombra Antediluvian has a decent chance of killing Caine, nevermind all the others.

>>97993914
Technically possible, as humans in WoD do have a small fraction of power of God himself and mages are, basically, advanced larvae of God, so after Doom will awaken, get to Archmage level, will get his own dimension and will spend ~eternity there, he technically would be able to compete with God. But most likely he'll ignore Cain then as something insignificant, so he still wouldn't defeat Cain.
Or, as an invader from a different universe, he might not have that innate power of God - then his willpower almost doesn't matter.

>>97993967
If you want me to donate some semen just ask

>>97993971
Only because God lets it happen.

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>>97993967
>We Garou should rule the wor-ACK!

>>97993981
uhuh...in the chapter where God is made a chud, is mostly confirmed to be not present in that chapter and hates Lilith. Why the hell would he do that?

>>97993852
Alright, puppets and stop motion creeps me out, and this video still does, but I got to admit that it was also awesome

>>97994023
God works in mysterious ways, retard.

>>97994023
Let's be honest, God dunking on Caine and Lilith for the love of the game is based. Imagine him casually mogging Lilith by creating the garden of eden 2.0.

>>97993991
Not even, just an angry man with a chainsaw and a shotgun from S-Smart would be enough.

BOOMSTICK!

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>>97993737
Superheroes (and Supervillains) in WoD is interesting but I feel like you are trying to dunk on WoD more than you are actually interested in the concept.

Like, why would Thor's mere presence imply that Gaia is a sham? Fucking Get of Fenris was calling on his strength or Heimdal's Endurance for centuries.

What's with all of these retards shitting on Caine and the Antediluvians? They're literally some of the most powerful entities in the World of Darkness, with Caine being the most powerful by miles.

>>97994166
Because it would prove that Gaia doesn't fucking exist and that if she does, she's just Ennoia or some shit, you fucking thinskin.

>>97991327
It doesn't matter how many times I do it, every time I play VTM I learn, from the experience and POV of the character, how fucked up it is as a setting. It's just not the same as when I'm storytelling or reading about atrocities this or that group does on the regular. It's novel, it's exciting, and keeps drawing me into, yeah, the Darkness. I know I'm kinda vagueposting here but there are other fucked up settings like CoC or 40k but they don't give me this feeling.
Maybe it's because the Darkness of the World of Darkness lacks the certitude CoC and 40k have: the game is rigged from the start and you already know your character is doomed, you just play your part according to the script. You chase Cthulhu knowing the gun is not meant to shoot him but your brains out when you've seen too much shit. In WoD the game is rigged from the start but you aren't given the script in advance. Maybe it's because of all the contradictory, unreliable, biased narrators, myths, representatives of factions, while the other settings are written in a less partial, more clinical way?
Vague description, but that's how I feel.

>>97994167
I mean, potential power doesn't mean they don't deserve to be shit on.
Unlike nearly all other super powerful entities in WoD, they might as well not exists outside of selected books and chronicles, mostly ToJ. (For Caine, just ToJ. Fucker never does anything and the only thing people have on him is that non-canonical character sheet. False Caine at least has a canonical character sheet with multiple Dot 10s).

>>97994192
You just sound upset because any Antediluvian could exterminate your favourite tribe of werewolves effortlessly.

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>>97994181
Are you actually retarded? I am saying Thor already exists in WoD and it doesn't do what you say it does. That's like if we bring Marvel/DC Artemis, it will suddenly makes Gaia Ennoia.

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>>97994181
Who wants to tell him...

>>97994215
We're not talking about WoD Thor, moron.
>>97994220
Not the same character. Get better reading comprehension.

>>97993016
it wasn't me but I had a very awkward time when my fellow players really wanted to erp. the worst part was that they were hot in irl
>>97994220
don't bother, anon is baiting for the fishes right now.

this is why I hate when the board is fast

>>97993648
>Another episode of "Werewolves create their own problem because they're dick" part 6 gorillion

>>97993967
>local dog who chases his own tail honestly believes this
How about you stop mistreating the kinfolk then we can talk?

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>>97988346
>that pic
>Vienna Chantry Edition
Clashing Boom-Boom destroyed the Pyramid?

>>97993972
>>97993914
Even if a high level mage were to attempt to fuck with Caine, wouldn't God (actually omnipotent) just deny any fuckery that happens and then probably smite or mindwipe the archmage for his troubles? I guess if you take the lore of him splitting himself into the triat it doesn't really matter though

>>97993565
Perhaps it really is just horrible parenting holding the nation back

>>97994281
Tampering with the curse of Caine always fails and boots you to a paradox realm. It's in one of the revised mage books but I forget which one.

>>97994254
It is a bit hard to keep up with I'll admit

>>97994277
>retarded werewolf spirit shit destroys the most important HQ of the most powerful vampire clan
Yeah, no.

>>97994350
"Most powerful"
Clearly, since they got destroyed.

>>97993557
What’s the other weakness?

>>97994402
Not fucking canon, retard. Stop pushing V5 shit on this thread.

>>97994420
No way senpai. If I have to accept my Lasombra got into Camarilla by sacrificing their Elder, you will remember that official canon is that Tremere got their ass handed to them harder than Saulot fucked Lord Tremere.

>>97994277
the chantry only got destroyed in the same edition where that totem spirit isn't a thing anymore 'cause you know werewolf got fully rebooted

in the older editions that event makes no sense. not because that chantry would have wards against bombs or anything but because it was abbandoned. A prime chantry makes little sense if you don't need to store a sleeping lord tremere's body anymore and saulot took over the chantry for a bit during revised so after that was dealt with (saulot ran away while tremere was stealing goratrix's body) the tremere decided to just not have a prime chantry anymore and moved the items from the vienna chantry to several smaller guildhouses

>>97994425
V5 is not canon. Stop pushing it, retard.

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What if we forget our differences?

>>97989806
Come to think of it, that's actually what my ST wanted to do when we returned to WoD; but some of the players weren't into it.

>>97994458
Human meat doesn't actually taste very good, unfortunately. Vampires are lucky to get off on it

>>97994465
Vampires don't eat human meat, they use blood as a medium to steal life energy.

>>97994458
I think killing and eating people is bad actually

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>>97994458
No

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>>97994458
This is Redcap approved!

>>97994458
They should kiss to break the tension.

>>97994477
Giovanni and Hecata both can have a flaw to eat flesh

>>97994459
Shame, technocrats were made practically made for combat encounters, at least back when the pogrom was in fashion.

>>97991032
True

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>>97994458
>A carpet is talking...

>>97994409
Impalement… all the way through starting from the anus or pussy. I’m not a ryona guy, and even less a guro guy (and many other fetishes), but it’s just that sometimes either the mood strikes me, or a certain character or situation “fits”. With anything else it’s absolutely vile and I would never consider it, but for that one thing it gets a pass. Again I’d like to say that I don’t intend to play this at an actual game. I’ll play the berserker girl as just that. A bloodthirsty warrior of Khorn.

>>97994501
That's called an exception, anon.

>>97994526
I had mixed feelings about it. Wasn't clear if playing a Progenitor would let me do fun stuff like make little monsters.

I'm sure you could grow some minor bioweapon since progenitor are known to use them to guard their labs. As long as you can make your monster look semi-believable paradox won't scerw you over too hard.

>>97994868
Meant for >>97994836

>>97993971
>>97993981
>God curses Caine
>a vampire kills Caine
>the curse rolls right through the vampire and kills God, who is ultimately responsible for the vampires

>>97994836
>>97994868
Any Progenitor monster would probably need to check off a few boxes before a handler is allowed to take it on missions in the real world. It mustn't be subject to disbelief, it must have lots of countermeasures in place to ensure its loyalty or destruction if disloyal, and it must be sterile and incapable of reproduction.
The Progs are still in hot water with the other Conventions after a colony of carnivorous sentient kudzu escaped from their labs into the Umbra and is now in the process of overgrowing countless alternate dimensions.

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>>97990705
>Ventrue: Look into my eyes and do as I say.
>Lasombra: Look into my eyes and do as I say, or else...
>Tzimisce:
Why are tziggers like this?

>>97995037
the eldest made them wrong as a joke
the old clan bloodline has dominate after all

>>97994868
>>97995033
Eh, maybe it's just as well, then.

>>97994836
Have you ever considered pitbulls?

>>97990705
One of the underrated parts of storytelling in VtM is how this is appearent in their disciplines too
Ventrue have Fortitude, Presence, Dominate. Fortitude both for defending their mind and body in case, Presence to try to influence people peacefully, Dominate as last resort
Lasombra Dominate, Potence, Obtenebration. They straight up try to Dominate, if it doesn't work Potence to brute force their will and Obtenebration to just rape them with shadow tentacles
Tzimisce Auspex, Vicissitude, Animalism. They don't even try to talk, just observe then turn people into chairs and manipulate them like they do to animals
You might call Tzimisce part stretch but I do like Lasombra and Ventrue characterization through disciplines

>>97993737
Isn't Superman canonically susceptible for magic like an ordinary mortal?

>>97995046
Keep you chin up, if shit really hits the fan you'll be allowed to bring in the big guns (or bioweapons). What the sleepers see doesn't matter if you'll wipe them out anyway. Of course, I highly doubt you could get away with deploying a resident evil boss. Anyway, what monster did you have in mind?

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>>97993273
Sure. Born in 1776, daughter of a family of minor French nobility who split of from the House of Leval ages ago. Family lost its land in 1790 due to failure to pay the droits de féodalité contractante so she became a courtesan to make ends meet. Heard about Egypt from a patron, sold everything she owned and disguised herself to sail there in 1798. Had a friendly rivalry with Pauline Fourès as Napoleon alternated between banging them.

Embraced by a Warrior Setite in 1799 who was very possessive of her. Eventually separated by the temple and trained at the Court of Miracles. Visited and studied at all of the founding temples in Egypt over the course of the 19th century. Went to India in 1890 as part of a group to establish communication with the Daitya and attempt to bring them in line with the orthodoxy in Egypt, where she developed a unique combo discipline after a flash of insight connecting various mythologies' underworlds, primordial rivers, storm deities and snake monsters.

In modern nights she came into possession of a black stone sarcophagus that she believed 100% to be Set's and that he spoke to her through it. Ended up in Florida and posing as a Professor of Antiques at the University of North Florida were she was forming a blood cult out of her favorite students.

Not doing well. I felt like she didn't have much to contribute to the chronicle and retired her via diablerie. Scribble included.

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>>97992852
>Imbued Hunter? 6-9, your powers mostly don't work on humans and you are mostly a normal human.

>>97995037
Pre V5, its because Auspex is limited regarding actual mind control, but is extremely useful for psychological manipulation and torture, making it an excellent combination with Vicissitude to be an effective weapon to subjugate and enslave your subordinates.
Post V5, idk, they enjoy being mean and shiet. But then again, V5 is retarded, mind you

>>97995037
In all fairness, if you could turn someone's anus inside out by touching them you would be doing it too

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>>97993216
I still want a World of Darkness: SVU.

>>97995195
No way they have an unit dedicated to Malkavians

>>97995175
v5 tzimisce are a completely different clan. Not only do they have dominate and are lacking auspex they are also now just the "greedy vampires" who crave to possess what they can see

the body horror is completely tacked on and even fully optional (and suboptimal but that's a different conversation)

>>97992852
>Imbued Hunter? 6-9, your powers mostly don't work on humans and you are mostly a normal human.
I don't know if I recall correctly but there was this one story where 2 imbued ran into some SoL guys trying to kill a vampire? I remember that one of them got blasted instantly and the other somehow managed to take out all the other inquisitors with his edge.

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>>97988346

>>97995220
I generally like the idea to make Tzimisce less of a Necroscope ripoff clan and make the "dragon" aspect more prominent. It just sucks that V5 was so soulless that this attempt was half-assed and botched up as well.

>>97995241
been a long while since i read first contact and such, but it wouldn't suprise me the inqusition and imbued don't mix well at all

for the imbued second sight a theurgist looks exactly the same as any other witch so in other words for a imbued without extra edges that make the sight better there would be no difference to a awakened nephanti to go for the worst case scenario

and for the power of society of leopold the imbued ping as possessed just like fomori, drones, sidhe or fallen

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>>97993412
>when you see a name like "World of Darkness", which kind of supernatural creature would you imagine

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>>97994458
Shark does love killing and eating people. Especially the second part! Shame that the local BSD don't think the same and we have to bully them into doing our bdding by parading the ghost of their founder.

Shark wants everyone to get along, and be together forever... in his belly once he turned into an avatar of the wyrm and consume the world.

>>97994495
Redcaps are friend shaped

>>97994558
Since we captured the city and we're inviting many of the head honchos of the Sabbat, Andrei will show up in our chronicle next session.

>>97995135
Nice to see you Serpent-aux-Yeux-Bleu!
Take a look at Shark's sheet!

https://files.catbox.moe/vwle1x.pdf

>>97995270
Slasher is indeed kino, it's a shame supernatural zodiac killers weren't part of the original WoD run, I imagine they'd have a lot of fun and sick lore and other nonsense. Real life killers are already pretty damn depraved so I can only imagine writers back then would include some pretty sick shit

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>>97994186
Then let's elaborate on that. How would we implement it for a fan-made reboot?

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>>97993016
V20
I had a caitiff red midwife who gave birth to two dhampirs and later bastardized the baali re-embrace to create "living" vampires.
V5
I had a tremere who relocated to another city after her chantry was raided. I used the Reimagined Bond from the Carna loresheet to ghoul a local gang by having them run a train on my character every month. It was essentially a free haven, retainers, and resources from drug/weapons smuggling. I probably should have had my humanity disintegrate but my ST didnt make me incur stains from ghouling people.

>>97995371
I assume a fan-made work is not going to be made of dozens different books like VTM 2e Revised. So different chapters or paragraphs written from the POV of different characters, for example take the clans and write each as self-introductions, like a clanbook but tiny (made of like a handful of pages). The Camarilla pages are explained by a Prince, the Sabbat page by some Bishop, and so on.

Now take the Disciplines in the V20 manual, you have a brief explanation and then "Systems: Roll Attribute + Ability and..." Now you write the first half from the point of view of the character, who shows people how to use this stuff. Let's narrow the examples down to two:

"Corpse in the Monster 5
Gift of Life
The pinnacle of Necromancy, a power that elevates me above both Cainite and kine, a restoration of my long lost vital functions for a day that tames even the sun itself...
blah blah blah
...we Elders use it to meet in secret on the day after April Fourth. And do the hunters know we may walk among them under broad daylight? Is it not a disturbing thought?
- Tsuna of the Asano, first Hecata Elder of Japan
System: The player spends 12 blood points..."

"Koldunic Sorcery
The Way of Wind 2
These peons think they can brave the winter from the Fatherland? Little do they know my soul is colder still...
blah blah blah
...even in the American summer, General Frost is the first on the scene, freezing the enemies' manoeuvres, and I seize command of the battlefield as my faithful servant shoots downwind.
- Zoryana, apprentice Koldun
System: With a successful activation roll.."

Suck the players and STs inside the world, fill the pages with lore and character and characters. Many characters, many points of views, many stories and many biases.

Show AND tell how the characters are untrustworthy, sectarian vampires who have a bridge to sell you.
Fear not, I don't have the time to participate in this project.

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I've posted about my Insect-morphing Transsexual Pornstar Tzimisce before. You don't know horny until you start implanting schlatza embryos inside your paralyzed victims and getting famous on Schrecknet with blackmail material of your political rivals.

>>97995725
Meant for
>>97993016

>Join campaign
>Figure a car chase or the like will come up at some point
>Take 2 points in Drive with a "Getaway" specialty to imply stuff about my character's time as a roadie
>Not one car chase in over a real life year of gameplay

>>97995725
Gross. Why is it everyone who likes Tzim is a fucking weirdo? This is why Old Clan is a million times better. It doesn't attract weird fucking troons with coom fetish characters.

>>97993796
>Wouldn't Punisher be just a high-level Hunter?
Yeah but he has done enough bullshit you could make him a supernatural of some kind. The bare minimum to replicate the guy is 5 on physical attributes and 4+ on his relevant skills.

>>97995759
Wish you were around whenever my players wish they'd had someone around who had even one dot worth of Drive