Retake The Realm Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>97973115>Thread Question:We all want Legacy armies back. But if you had to pick your top 3 Legacy armies to return first, what would they be and why?
>TQ>Wood elves>warriors of chaos >demons
>>97991305>TQAs far bringing back legacy armies. Id just want to bring back VC first. It makes no sense from a fluff perspective.>Muh Von CarsteinsPlenty of other vampires out there with enough power for a small army.
>>97991305Pickerboo, diggerbooDirty fairyMountain monkey, cave babooneyMushroom muncher, alestain suckerTunnel rat, beardback, big axe chuckerAnyway you figure the mountain king'sa digger to me!Bushie, stonehead, cavern bunnyMineral guru, fungus honeyTunnel crickets, stunty diglets!Digro, ale gut cavern hippoAnyway you figure, the mountain king's a digger to me!
Will I ever need more than 8 Ogre Bulls? I’ve got 8 bodies and while the sprues let you build Ironguts too, I already got 4 of those.
Need more floating islands and Empire airships
>>97991480no not really. >>97991491wrong general buddy. awg is over there.
>>97991508Yes, you should go back, fucking larping secondary.
>>97991583Show me a single table where it’s playable with that shit with rank and flanks
>>97991508Wrong board, Total War kiddie, /v/ is down the hall.
>>97991593It's not as hard as you think, you'd know if you ever played a game
>>97991305>TQVampire counts babyyyyI need my skeleton kit back, hopefully we also get some interesting armies of infamy.Vampire coast is pretty likely because they'll want to pander to TWWfags, but I'd love something more out there, like a full vampire army with peasant levies and vampire infantry.
>>97991657>vampire coastI hate that they're adding whacky TWW shit when classic WHFB stuff is missing from the game. Yes, Cathay belongs in the bin
>>9799149140K board by the maker's own admission. The water from the islands look like shit at that.>>97991618AoS board. The maker doesn't play Warhammer fantasy.
>>97991657As long as they give me one necro + skellies option. Preferably as 'generic' as the Renegade Crowns.
>>97991671What about Kislev? Would you be against a Kislev release?
>>97991690If it looks like classic Kislev it would be sick, if it looks TWW Kislev is would be shit
>>97991434The true heir of Aenerion is Malekith
>>97991679Ahh you have Aspergers, I get it now
>>97991480I’ve got 12 and I don’t really know what to do with so many
>>97991690NTA but I didn’t like Cathay in TWW but I do generally like them in TOW. I also really want Kislev. I am going to paypig out when Kislev comes out, shameless style.
>>97991713>If GW™ releases More Product® I WILL buy itYeah.. we know
>>97991718Shut up Perry go back to shitposting your floating islands
>>97991593>Show me a single table where it’s playable with that shit with rank and flanksNta, but that sort of thing could make for a fun game of Skirmish, Warbands or Mordheim.Floating islands and skyships could also make for great WFRP setpieces.With some fiddling, I'm sure you could also play Warmaster in a table like that.
>>97991733Floating islands and airships are two different distinct things that I don’t really know why you’re conflating as equitable.
>>97991737Are you just talking you hear yourself talk?
>>97991731>>97991737Post your beastmen
Interesting that this was pinned by them, and not a response to any specific question. Looks like Legacies are back on the menu at GW. We just need to be patient.
If I win the lottery I am going to pay someone to track down Jav for me so I can slap him for being such a lying attention seeking doofus.
>>97991840Keep your discord tranny shit outta the general
>>97991861Can you go be an angry skinyfat manlet somewhere else for a little bit?
>>97991491Why is the central island spewing bird feces all over the other rocks?
>>97991703This
Starting to think the new WoC rumors were bullshit.
>>97991491I AM ALSO HAVE OPINIONWould be cool if it was a callback to the old LUSTRIA supplements with flying pyramids with wizards sending out their minions to eat the pygmies.
>>97991928Why's that? We've heard nothing new for a while, WoC are assumingly up next. Unless you believe we are never getting any more releases.
>>97991983>Flying pyramids Oh yes that would indeed be BASED
>>97991809I have yet to see any officlal GW art of their females and what they look like
How is your local LGS in your area?
>>97992083heavily modern 40k focused. trying to get some into TOW but most rather start their 5th 40k army to chase the meta than having one TOW army.
>>97992003i saw some wow art with flying ziggurats and thought thatd be neat for Warhammer undead
>was eyeing a recaster that had exactly what i wanted for a reasonable price>their website goes down>coincidentally the thing i want suddenly pops up on ebayI hate scalpers, force feed scalpers to wood chippers
>>97992096>most rather start their 5th 40k army to chase the meta than having one TOW army.bleak
>>97991928If they're real, which is at least somewhat likely, I wouldn't expect to see them until after 11e 40k drops. GW is shilling the new edition hard, focusing on any other release would shift the attention away. In my opinion, new chaos warriors will come, along with chosen/forsaken sprues, they will be as ugly and uninspired as the new marauders and be revealed in july at the earliest.
>>97992124I stopped playing at lgs's and begun playing at home because of this exact reason. All that's played here is 40gay and Infinity, no Fantasy and no /awg/ either.
>>97992083Pretty great, 40k is the dominant game but Fantasy is thriving. But I am in Europe so I imagine it's different int he USA.
>>97992083Those stupid fucking mushrooms ruin the table.>How is your local local game storeIt's run by an obese /co/fag, so capeshit toilet paper takes up half the shop, it gets robbed and burglarized constantly, 90% of their income comes from 40gay and Pokemon, and it reeks like old hotdogs and pizza. Pretty fuckin' nasty. I only give them business to buy Pokemon for my brother every once in a while.
>>97992083It’s pretty decent; a full 6-8 people playing old world, a few playing 40k and AoS, but games like Gaslands, battletech and Bushido are also played regularly by some.Pretty casual vibes as well, people will let you know if they wish to try tournament lists beforehand, and most if not all will play casually.
>>97992215what part of america is this store in?
>>97992234Midwest.
>>97992131I hope so. My gf (female) wants to start WoC soon
>>97991305Based, Dwarfs are the based.
>>97992229How's Bushido? The name appeals to me big weeaboo I am.
>>97992405I am not too well versed into it myself, but it’s a skirmish game with samurai and ninjas along with other East Asian mythical creatures
>>97992215Based /co/chad knows how to have fun, no wonder it makes you seethe so badly.
>>97992413With youkais too? I'm definitely checking it now, brb.
>>97992414>I'm having so much fu–ACK!Oops, shoulda laid off the pizza and hot dogs big guy! He and his (surprisingly non-obese) wife do seem pretty cool though, too bad I'm too autistic to get to know anyone there better.
>>97992421As I said I do not know too much about it, I’ve only seen it played sometimes and at that only in the corner my of eye.
>>97991704But Thorgrim Grudgebearer is the current owner of the Phoenix Crown, thus making him the Phoenix King.
>>97992427I see. Thank you nonetheless, a friend and I are both Touhou weebs, so a game wher eyou cut down youkais will be fun. I'll look for a rulebook somewhere.
>>97992421it picks up all the japanese monster lore. oni, bakemono, tengu you name it
>>97992440Kamaitachi? Umebozou? Yuki-onna? The scariest of them all, the Onna?Can you fell them with bravery and iron alone, or do you need some mumpo schmumpo magic?
>>97992447they have a faction called cult of yurei
>>97992462>there's bushido: role playing adventure in samurai japan>and there's bushido risen sun who looks more like a skirmish game than a RPGRight. I'm going to hit 1d4chan and hope there's a full article to explain all of that, but thanks nonetheless.
>>97992483oh yeah i was thinking of rising sun, indeed it's a skirmish game
>>97992492But weren't you talking of this one earlier? Or was it another Anon?
>>97992436If you’re saying Thorgrim is rightful king of Dwarfs and Elves then I can get behind that.
>>97991840What is the point of a rumourmonger who never mongers rumours. Why the fuck does anyone in that discord give a shit what he says at this point.
>>97992595Just block him.
>>97992595if there are no rumours it means literally nothing is happening outside of the SGS, because all the sources are on the factory floor or miniature studio. That's why anything from Javgoro is obviously bs, since his 'rumours' aren't miniatures they are supposedly release schedules leaked direct from the SGS which never happens. We've had nothing concrete for TOW since Cathay really so that probably means nothing new is in production/marketing or has been for the past 6 months and as soon as it does show up it won't be released for another two quarters at least.
>>97991491>>97991583>>97991612My headcanon is that the classic flying islands and flying ships are how Old Worlders imagined the things after hearing stories of flying islands and Skyjunks from Cathay.Like when Miao visited Sigmar with her flying ships.
>>97992865They really had to just fuck up his entire design with that retarded sword. What would have been wrong with a big ass curved sword? Something like a fancier picrel on a 2h sword hilt.
>>97992868A guandao? That's a polearm, not a sword.
>>97992884I even went out of my way to explain myself in case an autistic retard like you showed up and it still wasn't enough.
>>97992892You are wrong.
>>97992868It would be basically a one-handed dadao.>>97992899Maybe you're Chinese, and thus know Chinese swords but not English sentences.I forgive you for your mistakes.
>>97992933>one-handed dadaoGonna assume you meant two handed but yeah that would have been cool.
>>97992933You are still wrong, this is not a sword. Being racist won't make you right.
>>97992946learn to read
>>97992946Based
I like TOW as a setting simply for the fact that the empire is an NPC-faction here.
>>97991491Nice hobbying but I dont think that board fits Warhammer fantasy very well. >>97991913The white stuff is actually bird urine. Bird feces are dark and brown, like most other shit.
>>97992969Ironic considering all the marketing was about it being the age of three emperors and we got fuck all about it.
>>97992083I live in a small town in Romania, there is no local LGS anywhere even remotely close to meHonestly most of my time playing is on Tabletop Simulator, unfortunately
>>97992942My point was that a dadao is normally two-handed, but in this case for a superstrong humanoid they could wield it one-handed.Thinking on it more: many of the Cathay dragon and shugengan guys have this "mythological" armour that occurs in ancient Chinese artwork but was probably never real armour and was instead fantastical depictions of more mundane looking equipment that was supposed to suggest magic powers etc. So maybe the sword is a reference to a similarly fantastical artistic depiction of a sword.>>97992946I forgive you for having hurt feelings, Chinese people.
>>97993014>no uWe accept your surrender.
>>97993014Cathay is full of 1h swords so him having a 2h one would make him stand out.
>>97992969But the Empire is omegakino?
>>97991305>TQDark ElvesVampire CountsChaos Dwarfs
Any reason why Ulricans pick the hammer over anything else? Shouldn't they use just about any weapon around? This was a fun book btw.
>>97993277>non-classical god>latin on banner consider me triggered
>>97991305>TQVampire CountsOgresChaos DwarfsI know its likely to be Dark Elves first, but I’ve never been a huge fan of them.
>>97993277Isn't it a sacred weapon?
>>97993596Ulric uses an axe
>>97993277knights of the white wolf use hammers because they're meant to be cavalry hammersthe teutogen guard uses hammers because the knights of the white wolf had hammers
Need help deciding what colour to choose for the sea serpenty bits here. Maybe red for the banner snake and bronze for the horn and some secondary banner bits? I feel like bronze should work well with the red, white and blue scheme for the cloth bits.
>>97993849Ahh I see. Thanks!
>>97991583Wait I never actually noticed this but, >ship is called the PAX MUNDI>St George's cross on the pennantIs the figure painted on the main sail supposed to be the Prince of Peace himself? Did the incarnation happen in the warhammer world?
>>97993940noit's a blanche artwork but not a warhammer artwork
>>97991983>>97992003Might as well go full gonzo 1986 oldhammer and bring back the flying pyramid-spaceship the space-is-the-place pygmies crashed onto the warhammer world with which was subsequently stolen from them by chaos sorcerer Yakub and his albino ape minions.
>>97991491I don't dislike flying islands, but you can't add them out of the blue now after the setting has been largely established, so they need to be marginalised temporally or geographically, and need a contextual explanation.>cathay: celestial compass saturates the land with magic>ulthuan: the great vortex concentrates magic before flushing it>lustria: they're lizardmen templeships running on leylines>chaos wastes: magic is at its strongest where reality unravels>everywhere else: only rarely when the storms of magic blowThe one faction I argue should have stable flying shit aggressively added to it is bretonnia because they already have flying cavalry as a standard thing so it makes visual sense for them to also have flying castles as a more or less common thing in addition to their normal castles.And also because it would give them that extra thematic edge over other factions that have been developed while they've been left behind.Plus there's already a mirage about flying ships and castles named after Morgana the fay, and it bretonnians had flying ships it could explain better how they've remained a stronger naval power than the empire.The only question is how do we justify flying castles and ships as something bretonnians can do while high elves can't, or at least don't?
>>97994208>The only question is how do we justify flying castles and ships as something bretonnians can do while high elves can't, or at least don't?Lady bullshit seems the simplest explanation, especially as she has an affinity for Azyr and Ulgu which could explain flying castles the best.
>>97994208>The only question is how do we justify flying castles and ships as something bretonnians can do while high elves can't, or at least don't?>everywhere else: only rarely when the storms of magic blowI mean isn't this the easiest, and most natural sounding explanation? Due to Lady fuckery with the winds of magic, occasionally bits of mountain occasionally "fall off" the Pale Sisters and float around Bretonnia. Knights from Parravon and elsewhere that have managed to tame a pegasus then fight to claim these bits of floating rock from various orc and beastmemes (and each other) in order to be able to build a castle on top.After an unknowable amount of time, the magic wears off and the floating islands eventually fall, creating many nicely ruined chateaus the Bretonnian countryside is so well known for. Rarely, an Imperial or even Chaos wizard may attempt to steal one of the islands and tug them over into their home regions so they can build cool sorcerer towers on them. Hell you could even have one of these adapted into a giant floating herdstone for a particularly powerful beastman shaman.
Horses are done, the only thing missing is snow on the bases. Now to build and paint the knights.
>>97994355>>97994456yeah, fay bullshit seems like the only solution since it's an actual deity while the other elven gods stay out of the world for the most part
>>97993951>not a warhammer artworkWHFB 3rd edition rulebook, page 169, clearly there, therefore a Warhammer artwork.Go back to /v/, tourist.
>>97994604>therefore a Warhammer artworkit's not a warhammer artwork unless it's made FOR warhammer it's one of blanche's personal pieces that were thrown into the book to make number, it's not meant to be depicting anything that's actually part of the warhammer worldand it's not even like the knight panther artwork where gw decided to use as inspiration for something to add to the setting, it's just blanche being blancheif you want to take it as inspiration for something feel free to do so, but don't pretend there was ever actually something beyond that artwork
>>97994652>it's one of blanche's personal pieces that were thrown into the book to make number, it's not meant to be depicting anything that's actually part of the warhammer worldDo you have a source on that?
>>97994652>it's not a warhammer artworkAnd yet it was put in the Warhammer rulebook by the Warhammer art team. The same concept appears again in later publications such as that other Bretonnian artwork, it was not merely a filler piece.The fact that GW didn't actually follow up on the flying galley idea doesn't mean that it never was a part of Warhammer, the setting just kept evolving without it. A lot of the setting was depicted through artwork, particularly during the early days, the design team were tasked with choosing how the warhammer world looked, and if they chose that piece over the many other artworks they had around, then they clearly wanted it to be a part of the world.
>>97994881>>97994832>>97994652>>97994604Ok poindexters, I don't care about your petty autism diviniation rituals, none of you have addressed my main question, did Christ come to the Old World?
>>97994942Oh. Yes.
>>97994942The Mormon Jesus did (he went everywhere) but not the real Jesus.
>>97994208Lileath magical-mist bullshit.
>>97994942Yes actually it's quite simple. In the Warhammer universe, Jesus took the form of Grimgor which he used to krump satan (Archaon) at the gates of Middenheim. Post-Storm of Chaos warhammer has now entered the Messianic age of the Church Universal which will reign until Grimgor comes back to *really* kick everyone's ass.
>>97993903these are cool my nigga where they from?!! i think your ideas work, but id want to contrastmax and paint the horn seafoam green or something crazy
>>97994942no, there are no jews in warhammer, the frogs made sure of it
>>97994483kino. very good job nigga i wanna see them knights when u done boy
>>97994881>The same concept appears again in later publications such as that other Bretonnian artworkthe bretonnian artwork was never put in any publication
>>97994881>clearly they wanted jesus christ in warhammer
>>97994881>The fact that GW didn't actually follow up on the flying galley ideaENTER
>>97995293Thank youuu. These guys are kinda weird because they're an extremely old project that's sort of become obsolete now. I originally got the idea of proxying some Brets in late 2021 and decided to go with a box of Conquest Games medieval (12th century) knights. Remember that back then TOW was still completely unknown besides being announced as a GW game with square bases so I absolutely didn't believe GW would ever bring back the old BRet knight kits. Since the Conquest games knights are very plain, I then set about pestering friends and scraping through every page of various bits shops to find enough stuff to warhammerify them. I knew I wanted an Anguille/naval theme so I hoarded a bunch of Dark Elf and AoS Fish Aelf bits until i had enough to build a unit.I recently got back into fantasy stuff after a big hiatus and am actually finishing them, but they now look kinda puny standing against the returned Bret knights. If I do use them I think it'll be as knights errant probably.
Will GW ever make good looking female models again? Should they?
>>97995303Wrong
>>97994483These are so nice, the finished knights are gonna be great!For myself, just finished these today. It be wolfin' time.
>>97995512Uh...Lady Elise?
This is what the new WE range should look like.
>>97995621when will they add that to total war?
>>97995865Where dat model from boi
>>97995662Clean wolves Anon. I always connect that werewolf with the vengeance of a vampire diorama.
>>97995905When it becomes a Warhammer Classics game
>>97995966man o war corsairs wasn't much older and it was made a "classic" already
>>97996015It's only in the classics collection due to the devs losing the Warhammer licenses
>>97996015Warhammer 3 is the face of the franchise and the developers continue to work with GW directly in their work. It's as canon as it gets. Man O War was released and never touched again. TW Warhammer has been getting non stop updates, all greenlit by GW since its release.
>>97995664Looks like a troon
I'm working on an army of bret crusaders.I really don't like painting all those leather details, scabbards. It's too time consuming.I'll try to freehand some crosses next and see how it goes.
>>97996242Might be high effort but it looks really really good.
>>97995905Are you seriously comparing a game that almost predates the vampire count/tomb king schism to a modern game.
>>97996054Still funny to me that gw holds ca by the balls when it comes to stuff like not being allowed to add foot knights or tzaangors with beaks because they're technically different ip's
>>97995293Just recently got sniped on ebay for the one with the antlers. Positively fucking seething. The things I do to have my Bretonnians not look like shit.
>>97996374Foot knights are a different IP?
>>97996054>Man O War was released and never touched againAnd was released barely functional as well.
>>97996385Yeah, it's basically a beta release woth some interesting ideasIt's somehow more janky than the Warhammer mod for Bannerlord
>>97996255cheers
>>97996398I know. I play it often.It's janky, it's unfinished, but fuck me if it's fun. I don't know that many sailing games that give me the same pleasure than Man O War does.>assassin's creedToo arcadey.>Sea of ThievesToo toxic, only one kind of monster.>Sailwind/Following SeaNo combat.
>>97991657>I need my skeleton kit backReally? Having built the Start Collecting skeletons when it was still available for AOS I would never want to deal with those again. It was my very first Warhammer kit. Hell I even built and painted one that was still in the box fairly recently just for shits and I fucking hated the experience. Couldn't even be fucked to do a halfway decent job on it.
>>97995461i think theyre cool. knights errant shouldn’t be to bedazzled or special lookin anyways
>>97991305>TQ>Vampire CountsI crave undeath and new, actually gothic models. Hell since the Von Carsteins were basically defunct by this point they could even release some models for other bloodlines.>LizardmenLizards are simply based and I will not be told otherwise.>SkavenThey're quintessentially Warhammer and I'm surprised they're not in already
>>97992436The Crown means nothing, the only thing that matters is if you can withstand the flame and get Asuryan's blessing. There were exactly two Phoenix Kings, Anerarion and Malekith. All the rest are frauds and heretics (hence why the HE are all traitors, apostates, and frauds)
>>97996374>Foot Knights >different IP Anon I…
>>97996411I will try man o war then, I don’t mind jank as long as it’s fun
>>97996462Why is that?I think it's a really nice kit, not too fiddly, lots of build options and characterful enough to have 50 or so without much repetition
>>97996521>>SkavenGW is hesitant to bring them back because their sensitivity reader team says they embrace antisemitic tropes
>>97996606Just be patient, the game barely works for me. Save often.And really, be patient: it's an infuriating game with an insane amount of potential, and it's ruined by how janky is it.
>>97996607I find them very fiddly. The spine to pelvis connection was always a pain to glue. And maybe it's because I'm a comparative hobbylet having only gotten into mini painting within the last 5 years, but I look at the same legs repeated and every arm being at a 90 degree angle and see them as being very same all around.
Hey boys n girls, do you like WIP gors?
>>97996886Hark! By the Prophetess' beard, my WIP knights shall beat them back! As soon as they escape strong tone jail anywho. Lovely gors, need to get that kit just for the aesthetics at some point>>97996487True enough & that's the story I'm going with>>97996242Yeah painting cavalry sadly means painting 3 million harness and tassel and stirrup details in different shades of brown. I think you gotta just slog through it. Lovely shield effect BTW.>>97995662Excellent skillz anon. I can't help but laugh at the central figure though, that guy is just too goofy. It's how every13 yo boy feels once they've had their first sip of white monster. Extra points for the goblin green bases as well.
>>97996548>he plays old world and not proper warhammerastounding levels of faggotry, you probably don't own a single model made before 2006.
>>97997126You’ve literally never once posted a timestamped photo of a single fantasy model. You don’t own any fantasy models from any era you skinnyfat manlet.
The GOAT as it were.
>>97997208Fuuuuck i love that model. Need to get one.Is the kit a fun build? Please share photos of the lil guy when hes got some paint on him
>>97994208Nah it's Warhammer Fantasy, not a serious setting. Just make shit up as you go like the OG creators of Warhammer did. Some eccentric Nuln engineer worked with a team of Altdorf wizards to create a flying ship, simple as. Want a better explanation? Fuck off
Any of you faggots live in Denver and know which LGS is the best?
>>97996670Fair, they're probably not the best models to start off with. When it comes to skeletons, they're middle of the road when it comes to fiddlyness to me, not as straightforward as the previous two iterations of gw skeletons, but also not nearly as fiddly as the warlord games ones. As for how samey they are, they do have varied weapons, heads and bodies, whuch is not exactly the case with others such as warlord or wga that have fully naked skeletons with the same head and weapons.
Does anybody know of any dark elf scans/ stls? preferably of the 4th edition era.
>>97997356Uh, bro, the apostles?
Thoughts for banners for a 4 man unit of GW Mournfangs?>Banner of Swirling Wind -1 to hit for ranged targeting this unit (30pts)>Cannibal Totem5+ regen but only pursues D6 (30pts)>Totem of Wrath1+ AP and reroll 1's to wound (50pts)I am leaning Cannibal Totem, pretty insane value to get 5+ regen for the 16 wound the unit has for 30 points.
>>97997445Why not Bull standard?
>>97997477I feel like 20 points for something that is only going to go off 1-2 times per game isn't as high value as the other 3. Cannibal Totem just seems amazing value in comparison. Takes a mediocre durability T4 4+ uni to a T4 4+/5+ solidly durable unit.
>>97997477>>97997506Although maybe a bull standard would be better. And then putting the Cannibal Totem on an Irongut Deathstar?
>>97997506Each wound dealt is one attack not coming back (usually). Don't get me wrong, regen is good, but a high offense unit wants to offense better. Totem of wrath is definitely best of the options, but I find it expensive at 50. Even though it does let you re-roll 1s on the impact hits.>>97997527Yeah, Cannibal totem on something that wants to get stuck in is way better than a unit that wants to dine and dash
>>97997540Yeah maybe the cheap and cheerful bull standard is superior. Totem of Wrath is so expensive that it almost just feels better to take an extra mournfang for another 25ish points instead. My planned deathstar is still going to be a Irongut unit so the mournfangs are a secondary unit anyhow. Maybe a cannibal totem on the Ironguts and then stick a BSB in them for banner of swirling wind to make them extra resistant to shooting?
>>97997591Eh, as lame as it is, BSB war banner is most of the time the right choice for a stuck in unit. High toughness ok armor and 3 wounds before you really lose anything means it can take being shot at for a turn or two.
>>97995664Lady Elise seems too fucking big. I'm running 28mm 5th ed Brets and I don't want a giant woman towering over them.
>>97997618Is the 1+ combat res that big of a deal for a unit that's dishing out the volume of high quality attacks that Ironguts are?!
>>97997676Then buy a 5th edition damsel sculpts off ebay? The scale creep isn't massive but it's definitely there and will only continue with the new models we get going forward.
>>97997987yes. It really sounds stupid, but yes. It has a lot to do with flanks, disruption, being charged, etc. Having a standing 3+ CR matters. An 4/2 or 3/3 block of ironguts charged in the flank by a heavy cav unit could easily lose that combat on wounds. The biggest problem with ogres is they turn like buses. Possibly the least maneuverable army in the game, even though they are far from being the slowest.
>>97992106>scalpers scalping recasts nowWhy do we live? Just to suffer?
>>97995916NTA but looks like Lastswords Miniature Waywatcher
>>97998076Understood. So I take it from inference that my plan to go 5 wide is simply too wide?
>>97997445Faggot.
What’s your opinion on people who 3d print stuff that are available to be purchased.Not saying it’s good nor bad, just looking for opinions on that subject.
>>97998510I think they should do it more and encourage it even. Just uh, just fucking paint your minatures, please. thats all I ask. Dont skimp on the basing either.
>>97996360>date of release: 2017
>>97995905you see war-hammer classics mean the dogshit games, the classic is just a ribbon to try and sell them.
Building a movement tray for my gor herd at the moment. If I plan to run a doombull in the unit, how wide should I make it?
>>97996411>sailingit's probably very different to those but try windward horizon
>>97996571Specifically the old world design, yeah
>>97998555And the only "undead" ship has skeletons. Not zombies, not vampires, not even tomb kings, just skeletons.>>97998597Oh, I didn't know they made a sequel to Windward.
>>979985897 wide is my go to for Gors, would fit a Doombull too, since he takes up two 25mm slots wide, and command is 3 models, leaving two regular Gors on the sides
>play woodelves >play with a ton of bows and people hate the gun line>play with a bunch of cav and army gets deleted by fanatics>play with trees and literally do nothing There is no end to my suffering
>>97998749>army gets deleted by fanaticsJust out of curiosity, is your opponent minmaxing fanatics or is it a reasonable amount?They're fun, and I've enjoyed them since starting O&G in the 90s, but I don't tend to minmax anything personally. I'd never take that 2000pt list that's doing the rounds atm with 140 night goblins and 9 fanatics.
>>97998589Jaysus thats a beefy boi.Basing this on 0 experience running Minotaur hero's in gor herds, 7 or 8 wide feels correct. So your first rank still has 5 or 6 gors
it looks okay from afar but it looks like shit from up close. I think I'm gonna try the stamping plates instead.
>>97998510>What’s your opinion on people who 3d print stuff that are available to be purchased.If it's painted and fits the WHFB aesthetic then all good with me. I actually prefer seeing a greater variety of sculpts, which printing contributes to. And with some armies you can print the whole lot from a single cohesive range, which is often better than GW can offer (infantry from 7th edition, cavalry from early 4th, war machine from AoS, aesthetically inconsistent).My personal philosophy on it is a bit more strict. I print all my stuff, including anything that is available to be purchased, because in 2020 GW told me I will not be missed (and since then have enshittified their lore and DEIfied their armies), so I'm not interested in supporting them. Haven't purchased anything from them in 5 years now. However I still want to respect my opponents and their investments into the hobby, so I won't just print random shite, slapchop it, and plop it down in front of my opponent when that person has probably spent 4x the money and 2x the building & painting time on the same number of models. So if I'm ever going to field a printed unit in battle, I make sure it's fully painted, and I'll try to make sure I own the plastic kit of that unit too - either because I owned it already or by buying it second hand - but that's just me, and not an expectation I hold others to.
>>97998817Looks good overall anon. That's highlands miniatures right? Their bret cavalry are god tier, I just wish more of their horses caparisons extended over their heads like the 5th edition knights.
>>97998833Yes it's highland but with helmets from another model, I don't remember which though. I wanted something a bit more plain and historical for the bulk of my crusaders
>>97998817Dude, it looks fine, and the model looks great. Don't worry about it.
>>97998859yeah the helmets on those highlands minis are a bit low detail, I'm sure there is one without a crest but it still looks a bit cartoony in proportion.if you try stamping plates please let us know how it goes, I've been thinking of printing my own but not sure how well that will work compared to the official etched metal ones.good job so far, keep it up!
Why is the Cathay Astromancer Online only?
>>97995621>Video Game may not accurately reflect current depictions, lore or presentation of the Warhammer Universe and settingsDo you promise?
>>97999042so they don't have to occupy shelf space by stocking it in stores and can focus on giving that shelf space to beginner products
soo... any credence to the rumor of total war doing moonclaw because gw is planning to launch him as a miniature for tow?
>>97999065Got any sources for those rumors?
>>97999069random reddit post claiming to be a leak for the incoming total war dlcthe post was rather odd, not really fitting what people expect to happenmoonclaw as LL for the end times dlc instead of, say, glottkin, being one
>>97999069this oneBut I'm pretty sure all the holes have been pointed out already, so it's probably fake
>>97999065>>97999076>>97999065>>97999076Moonclaw was from a previous leak that has gotten everything for the ET dlc correct so far, but it didn’t say Moonclaw was part of the ET dlc pack. So I believe Moonclaw is coming, just the rest of that new “leak” is bs.
>>97999099predicting that the stream would have 3 hint-images is a pretty significant smoking gun, there are no chances of someone just being lucky with such an unusual and specific thing
>>97999128The problem mostly comes from the fact that there isn't any evidence that it was posted before the stream so it might be someone making the comment post and trying to pretend it was a prediction
>>97999128wait, is this why the official rumor engine was shut down for some weeks? were they meant to show the total war rumor engine pictures?
>>97999128The problem is the post was made after the stream, but the poster claimed it was a screenshot of a deleted post from before the stream. So pretty fishy right off the bat.
>>97999134>>97999139Alright, that clears up why it's dismissed, nevermind.
so real questionwhy doesnt GW do dwarf cavalry as part of their core dwarf range? it seems weird to me that they so stubbornly refuse to make them, even the zany aos versions dont have mounts except those one guys riding giant lizards but they're like one off monsters and not a proper cavalry unit. otherwise its always flying machines or walking, but you' figure for a race thats so obviously disadvantaged at speed the usefulness of cavalry would be immediately obviousidk, just feels like weird hill to die on creatively for the army range, and also lends the army to being insanely one note, being only infantry or warmachines.
>>97999148I still think Moonclaw is 100% though. Would be cool if they did a tie-in for TOW with a Moonclaw model, but I doubt it. Excited for whenever they get around to making a new Morghur.
>>97999183Halflings. On a fundamental level you’re asking for halflings when you want midgets on a cavalry.
>>97999183Their general philosophy is “a dwarf’s feet belong on the ground, preferably miles beneath it,” at least in regards to the gyrocopter. I assume the same applies to cavalry. Also I assume cav isn’t much use on their home turf, so they would have never bothered investing in it.I.e. dwarfen autism.
>>97999183being short, stocky, and a result slow, is a core characteristic of dwarfsthe army being built to emphasize that aspect reinforces the identitygiving them cavalry offsets that element so it's not done over other stuffand orcs already have boars, giving them to dwarfs too isn't as straightforward as horses being available to everyone
>>97999209orcs are meant to be strong and fighty but that doesnt stop them from having bows and crossbows though?
I guess dwarves could domesticate centipedes or whatever kind of critter inhabits the under ground.
>>97999043As I said earlier, the undead in this game are just undead. No vampire coast/vampire cunt/mannlet van den carstein/tomb kings.
>>97999183Because dwarfs in Warhammer almost exclusively fight underground. It's extremely, EXTREMELY rare for them to fight on the surface, and dwarfs are autistic and refuse to develop anything only for a military usage. Everything has to be practical, even if they'd rather die than use Grandpa Okri's axe to chop wood.
>>97999222i think mountain rams would be simpler an better looking, and culturally fit better than some insect. plus its already shown up in several IPs like wow and the hobbit, so its sort of the standard by now
>>97999231Why do you want Warhammer's based Dwarfs to end up like some breast milk thieves' lesser race?
>>97999227>EXTREMELY rare for them to fight on the surface>literally every game of warhammer fantasy ever played is on a green field table or countryside villagelol
>>97999227your argument is invalidated by catapults and gyrocopters
>>97999234>my game is totally lore-accurate guysYou DO realize that entire armies don't fight every week, do you? Right? Surely you're not clueless enough to believe that every single battle you have is canon, right? Right?
>>97999233you do realize several of wows early art directors game straight from games workshop right?
>>97999231Yeah, rams for mountain dwarfs, bears for norse dwarfs, ponies for imperial dwarfs.Everything else is ass.
>>97999240I dunno, aren't gyrocopters meant for exploration and courier? Maybe gyrobombers.But yeah, you're right about the catapults. And the ballistas, and the cannons too. That doesn't actually make sense...>>97999246You do realize that the sky is blue, right?Oh sorry, I thought we were playing a game of "let's talk about something totally random and unrelated".
>>97999243show me a game of regular warhammer players using underground tables. do you play dwarfs? when was the last time you actually set up an underground table? most game stores dont even have tables or terrain for that.
>>97999254>let's talk about something totally random and unrelatedyou were already playing when you brought up the sex pest blizzard shitjesus christ the level of discourse in this general is wildly dishonest. im out. you fucks are absolute shit to try and talk to
>>97999231Rams don’t make much sense either though? Aren’t dwarves whole deal is that they want to be underground rather than above it? Why would they keep them down in the dark? Actually how good is dwarf eye sight to adjust above ground?
>>97999256I'm going to try to explain in simple terms.See Warhammer 40000. Space Marines as depicted as extremely, insanely strong warriors able to establish beachheads.See Warhammer 400000 game. Space Marines are only 4 to all stats, and die in mass to eldar banshees.That is because Space Marines are not good as an army, they shine at assassinating and being a spearhead.Same with Dwarfs, 95% of their fights are squad-sized and take place in tunnels, ergo why they don't care much for cavalry. Even when a miner outpost (think of a watch tower, but bigger and underground) is attacked, at best they have cannons and ballistas, but not cavalry. So since they don't use cavalry in most of their fights, they don't use cavalry for "real" battles as well.Am I clear? I'm trying to use many words for something that probably already has a word, but yeah, you complaining that dwarfs don't have cavalry is like... complaining that Imperial armies don't have a quartermaster or camp followers minis.
>>97999183age of reckoning gave up trying to find a suitable mount for them
>>97999272>Why would they keep them down in the dark?if a ram is good at scaling a mountain it's also good a descending a rocky abyssbut dwarfs do stuff above ground too
>>97999264Don't let the door hit you on the way out, loser.>>97999276FAG
>>97999231No Rams are fucking shit and some proper WoW style crapGive them fucking donkeys at least, actual animals people ride
>>97999292So they should give Your Mum to the Dwarfs?
>>97999295You are welcome to ride her, she's been lonelyAnd dead for a decade
>>97999300Any hole's a goal.
>>97999276This game was so ass, so much potential blundered by incompetent developers.
Joining my first TOW event, which is going to be one of those growing campaigns where we start from 500 points and go up each month. There's a narrative and we're all supposed to figure out how our army fits into it. Seems fun.I've had some experience with TCG people in my area so I expected massive autism, but the people seem cool.
>>97999310Game was and still is great, EA are the ones to blame for shipping early and trying to sabotage it every step of the way.
>>97999276>Let these yanks use *our* IP for their game? Not bloody likely!>OH GOD PLEEEEEASE PLAY OUR WOWCLONE PLEEEEEASEKek. Common GW humiliation. That Warboss/Shaman wombo combo model is pretty good though.
There is a videogame that lets you make medieval-style illustrations (via collage from a list of assets). And inspired by the 6th edition Bretonnian illustrations (such as in >>97995147 ), I decided to do one as well.Still wip, but what ideas would you suggest?
>>97999183I have no sources, but the way I remember it, wasn't there some internal GW ruling that dwarfs should never get cav? Basically they really wanted each army to have its own unique play style as like a core part of WHFB, which meant somewhat arbitrary restrictions like no dwarf cav. They're supposed to be the slow solid campy army that's vulnerable to being outmaneuvered but makes up for it with good stats, so the only mobile options allowed are maverick special units like gyrocopters. I always thought this approach to army differentiation kinda exposed how limited the design space really is within the bounds of the super outdated 80s rank-and-flank rules system warhammer has always been saddled with. Thank god for heroes and the magic system because otherwise the only way to design armies that play differently is shit like arbitrary unit bans or rules like Animosity.Though tbf the whole army differentiation rule is overall a positive. If you look at rulesets that go by the "there's X amount of unit archetypes and each army gets a flavour of each" like Erehwon or WAP you very quickly realise it makes for pretty boring games which always devolve to outflankers vs outflankers, line infantry vs line infantry and artillery vs artillery. Might as well get into historicals like Blücher at that point and play games that actually try to properly simulate maneuver and command & control.
>>97998360Oh definitely. Put that on the board and try wheeling and you'll see what I mean. Even at 4 wide. Also, unless you're hitting a unit of skirmishers, you'll never get all your attacks. That 5th ogre is just not going to be in range to get full attacks.
>>97999317TCG =/= wahummas, should be fine. Post piccies of your games ITT once the campaign starts
>>97999317have fun anon Wargaming is generally a bit less asoical than card gaming in my experience, but that might just be my limited to my LGS
>>97999276They were onto something with the tauntaun
>>97999335Is this Mordhau?
>>97999345tauntaun don't make much sense for big mountains environments imo it's the type of animal you would see in a fantasy tundra
>>97999337hol' up that isn't a cannonball?
>>97999358how new are you?
>>97999358dwarf canons use shells anonIt's even shown in the model kit
>>97999376Dude, I'm a Warhammer fan, you really think I actually play it?! lmao! lol, even!
>>97999256NTA but i do remember there being a lot of Moria themed tables around like 15 years ago when MESBG was kinda popular, it was definitely a thing. Though my local WHFB scene back then was like 6 sweaty ultragrogs that only ever played 2k points 2v2s on completely featureless flat green tables with maybe a wizard tower in the middle if they were feeling adventurous. So idk how much crossplay those tables ever got
>>97999355It would be an offbrand tauntaun so it could have offbrand features more befitting the mountains.
>>97999276For warfare dwarves would use chariots, pulled by horses, ponies, goats or yaks. I think they'd refuse to ride an animal because it's demeaning, but they'd still make use of beasts of burden like ponies to pull carts and wagons. So pulling chariots would be reasonable.The problem is that chariots aren't practical for mountainous terrain where they often fight, but they might still have them intending to use them in open terrain. After all, they obviously drag cannons around in preparation to fire them in open fields.
It's been almost 6 months since the last reveals for the old world.
>>97999438AoS won...
>>97999438Just consoom sth else in the meantime. It's not like there's no plastic crack available on the market.
>>97999438K? I'm still questing for cheap 5e metals, I don't care.>>97999465The Last Whimper and then an embarrassing and pathetic end await.
>>97999438Post models (timestamp included)
>>97999354It's called Scriptorium.It has a story of its own, but it also has a Sandbox mode where you can do your own illustrations and export those images.
>>97999511I thought it was a game, but is it more like a Bayeux tapestry simulator?
>>97999514> but is it more like a Bayeux tapestry simulator?Somewhat yeah, but it is also a game, in a similar vein that Passpartout is a game.
>>97999560I'm very confused, but also curious. I'll check if there's a demo around.
>>97999560>De Vermis Mysteriis
>>97999577I admit that I've a bit shit at explaining, but I do recommend it a least try the demo. or if you know where to pirate itTo me it seems to have potential for RPG purposes.https://store.steampowered.com/app/3119540/Scriptorium_Master_of_Manuscripts/>>97999615Yup, that is right.
>>97999632It certainly has a lot of potential to make ye old roleplay grimoire that your adventuring party finds in some hag's hut.Getting huge "ancient evils" vibes from it. Almost a shame that Warhammer would not feature such pieces.
>>97999560For me, it's Street of the Four Winds
>>97998604I guess all that old world Cathay stuff is a different IP as well…
>>97999632Fucking Mechanicus. Also, you did a pretty good job here, how long did that take you?
Am I missing something or is the only difference between common and river trolls a single wound and a basically meaningless difference in initiative? Couldn't they have come up with a little something else?
>>97999966>Couldn't they have come up with a little something else?No it was actually impossible to come up with anything other than what they came up with.
>>979999661 wound is pretty huge gameplay wise. Though I also agree kind of lame thematically.
>>97999966>>98000036What did river trolls have in older edition that stone trolls didn't? I remember they always had 4 wounds right?
>>97999705I fully agree.And yeah, the figures managing GW would not waste time in this sort of artistic work if it hasn't immediate profit.>>97999723>For me, it's Street of the Four WindsHmm, I've yet to read it.>>97999813I actually stole the art from Steam's community page, some other bloke did it.[/spoiler] I'm still not that good yet.picrel in mine though
>>98000147I mean, it seems time fitting for the Brettonian, but the Empire probably ha printing presses, so they'd be more like wood engraving like Gin Street.Have mine.Finding necks was surprisingly hard.
>>98000104I don't remember for sure, but I want to say they had regen 4 instead of 4 wounds. Pretty sure stone trolls were +1 toughness in addition to the 1 more armor and leadership they have now. But that's me talking out of my ass so.
>>98000104Didn't they used to lose their stupidity when they were in a river or other water feature or was that just the Hag?
>>98000104In 4th edition all trolls were W3, and regen 4+. River trolls got an extra -1 to hit due to being slimy and stinky; stone trolls dispelled any spell cast at them on a 4+ - including friendly spells!
