A place for those who are into ACKS or those curious about it and want to learn more about it. A icebreaking question that's often needed.>Those who backed Before All Others. Have you got a chance to try out any of the new classes and features yet and what were your favorites so far?
Elephant in the room: ACKS got banned from a bunch of sites.Why? Well, that's hard to explain. People like to bring it up a lot though, but it's really not a big deal, so let's not draw any attention to it, okay?
>>97995806Then explain it. Since you seem to know, enlighten us on why it was banned.
>>97995789Every thread is an ACKS thread. brOSR won. Bow down, smelly nerds.
>>97995834What part of "it's not a big deal" wasn't clear?
>>97995806It's not a big deal but it's also impressive because those sites are abominations and being banned from them is a badge of honor in my opinion
>>97995858...Is it though?
>>97995868Do you see that part at the end of my post that says "in my opinion"?
>>97995868Tell me, are those sites really game sites. Or are they just former game sites with the new writers pushing their "cause" and hope wearing the skin of the former is enough to keep people paying attention to them?
Okay, don't talk about ACKS, then.
>>97996068They have to. If they don't make it seem like it's bad/evil/etc. Then people will start playing and having fun with someone outside of the current "Gencon" community. You know the same people who hated Gary Gygax, straight white men, and old school D&D. But remember they were life long fans. They just want to change everything about the game, system and the people who play it.
>>97995789What are ACKS?
>>97995806It's easy to explain. Site 1, marky threaten legal action on a mod for not censoring posts not breaking site rules because it pointed out ol markies assocations.Site 2, caught the ACK discord organizing brigafing efforts for Thier trash game.
>>97996224A trash homoerotic OSR game
>>97996306Shouldn't that be in the OSR thread then?
>>97996306Ok, thanks.
>>97996224An OSR game that hated by Bluesky/Reddit tourists cause the creator isn't a leftist and doesn't bend the knee to leftist causes.
>>97996406Didn't he work as a personal promoter for some faggot? He was probably bending his knees constantly.
>>97996390No, the bro man on man action is too hot for another thread. It has to have its own zone
>>97996422 Gay nazi, yeah. It's as stupid as it sounds
>>97995858>badge of honorFor retards who don't know how to behave outside of shitholes like /b/, /v/. and /pol/
>>97995789Rate my house rules. https://www.htmlover.com/000033.xhtmlOr shitpost, I guess, since that's all that's been posted here so far.
>>97996439
Needs more rolls
>>97996531It's more a train wreck than it first appears. Lots of dumb rolls, lots of really dumb design choices. The guy making it is a total amateur when it comes to game design, just a lot of "more rules must mean better" kind of thinking.
>>97996559but is it FATAL levels of rules?
I don't like the more explicit focus on classical period in the 2nd Edition. I don't like how much it got tailored to Macris' setting. I don't really like the skill rolls because it takes power out of the hands of the DM and isn't really OSR. I would have much preferred a version of B/X D&D that just had those domain rules tacked on. And just reprinted B/X as a formaility.I do like Fighters getting a scaling damage bonus over time. That's a good change if you ask me.
>>97996531Fine is a bit much to be honest
>>97996224BX with a dummy thicc rulebook containing some lf the most truly pointless die rolls since FATAL and some honestly good mechanics for catching and smoking fish.
>>97996301>Thier
>>97996718I also prefer ACKS 1e, but I get the idea behind 2e: just gather up all the extra content published in magazines and supplements and put it in a set of nice hardcovers, and do the necessary revisions while you're at it.
>>97996934Yep that is indeed what I typed. Are you confused son?
>>97996751I'll never understand why he took a rules light system and added like a 100 pages or more of rules
>>97996718>I would have much preferred a version of B/X D&D that just had those domain rules tacked on.Judge's Journal appendix E (Economics) goes into detail on why that isn't possible. tl;dr: Vanilla D&D's economics makes no sense.
Are ad&d 1e/2e monster stat blocks compatible with ACKS?
>>97997021Yes.
>>97997099thanks might try ACKS then
>>97996986Then change the economics, that part isn't hard. Most B/X games want a silver standard anyway. It's all the proficiencies shit that bloats the game and makes the PCs start getting entitled to certain actions. Instead of using realism (I mean in the sense of "you cannot sneak across an open field with 5 sentries watching you") and visualization to have rulings that make sense, it's one-size-fits-all rules that have nothing to do with the situation.
>>97995806It's not hard to explain>leftists tried to slander the creator>Creator threatened to bitch slap the cock out of their mouths>They tried to make a revisionist history that never talking about him again was their plan all alongMost notably at RPG.net, as they were particularly falling to faggots and trannies. Tell me about your compaigns, I had a group I ran for a couple of years who worked up from level 1 to local lords, a lot of faux vikings and raiding. It was a fun time, probably my favorite campeign ever. >>97997158It's a solid interpretation of b/x.
>>97997957lol, you're still hanging around, ACKShill?Fuck you're a retard.
>>97997957At least take his dick out of your mouth when you lie. You will slur less.
>>97995789>>Those who backed Before All Others. Have you got a chance to try out any of the new classes and features yet and what were your favorites so far?I'm waiting for a full PDF (with art) before I try any of the new features. I'm going to introduce ACKS II to my group later this month (we just finished a Traveller game) but I'm probably gonna restrict them to the basic classes at least for their first characters.>>97997183The proficiencies aren't particularly bad, or at least I've never had any specific issues with them while running ACKS I.
>>97997991>out of nowhere>an assmad trannyRpg.net is that way.
>>97997991nazis WON
>>97998504At giving themselves surprise buttsex.
>>97998521sorry that youre too stupid to read
>>97998531Enough about you and your smells, anon.
>>97996224Adventurer Conquerer King System I looked into it a while back when looking for a system for running a West Marshes game once. It was a bit too fiddly for my needs but it seemed decent.Apparently it is now skub for some pointless reason.
>>97996301>organizing brigafing efforts for Thier trash gameAh.Perfectly clear.
>>98000124I think the proficiency system is well done (and still entirely optional if that tickles your fancy) and I enjoy the 'racial classes' as a way to staying true to the original conception of 'bob the elf' while allowing more variety. >>98000124The left got assmad that he wrote the game and it has fans and he just wouldn't go away after they stamped their little feets so now its fun to play with.
So this is some sort of chud game?
>>98000255Basically, yes.
>>98000255The author is a chud, but the game is not openly chuddish.
>>98000321
>>98000321The guys who like it seem chud as fuck.
>>98000005smell my ass with your face if you have the balls
>>98000983No thank you. Your smell is bad enough from here.
I only ever see shitposting and shitflinging when this game is mentioned.Can somebody give me the low down on the game? Maybe compare it to some other more ubiquitous system while at it?
>>98001248See >>97996986 and pic related.
>>98000382Because if you admit to liking it around anti-chud circles they will de-person you
>>97995806So ACKS got expelled from several countries, but you’re saying it’s really not their fault? Makes you think.
>>98001248ACKS is someone taking B/X and just endlessly adding rules onto it without really playtesting anything sufficiently. This guy's post >>97996956 is actually pretty funny, because it's not 100 more pages, it's over 1000, and most of it is just lengthy procedures and tables that are always padded out rather than refined.It runs more like a chore than a game, with some simple tasks like traveling from one town to the next taking over an hour. You can walk a mile in real life faster than you can walk one in ACKS.>>98001280That literally reads like an ad. If that's from a book, it's actually pretty funny that there's people who paid for ads for books in the books they bought.
>>98001280So army, economics, domain stuff.Alright.>>98001433>with some simple tasks like traveling from one town to the next taking over an hour.In real life?What does that look like anyway? Just a bunch of procedures and rolls on tables?
>>98001433>without really playtesting anythingIt's been meticulously play tested for years, bozo. Starting with a lie invalidates the rest of what you say
>>98001716The person youre replying to isn't very smart and it takes him a long time to roll dice and check notes.
>>98001716>What does that look like anyway?It's just the typical "X miles per day plus wilderness encounters". The other anon sounds like a shitposter.
>>98001716>Just a bunch of procedures and rolls on tables?Basically. Very repetitive stuff where you do things like making several rolls to determine the weather, making several rolls to determine if anyone got sick from bad weather, checking road conditions, figuring out what kind of encounter rolls must be made, etc. etc., with many of these tables in different parts of the book or even in different books altogether.It's dull stuff. There's other systems that do similar things, but they're so much better designed because at minimum they're not designed with an emphasis on reaching some length of page count.
>>98001728It would take decades to playtest it properly, considering how long it takes to do anything.And, it's hard to argue it was playtested at all when even just basic combat is worse than B/X. You'd think that a designer would at least test out his own combat system, at least the bare minimum needed to recognize "yeah, this initiative system is pretty awful, what was I thinking?"
>>98001716>What does that look like anyway? Just a bunch of procedures and rolls on tables?I guess the shitposter is talking about pic related. However, note the following text (cut off in my screenshot):>DO NOT feel strictly beholden to this sequence. Sometimes, to adjudicate the action, you’ll need to adjust the sequence of events, other times disregard it altogether. The sequence of play is just intended as a checklist, not a mandate from heaven.
>>98001886
>>98001886Jesus christ this is even more autistic than I remembered.
>>98000255>wheredoyouthinkyouare.gif lock in
>>98001069because you dont have enough brain to read
>>98001857>assmad trannies >In this thread, more likely then you thinkFeel free to go back to RPG.net. People play this game, honestly out of all of the b/x games it's in the top portion entirely because they emphasize playing it, there have been a handful that are slicker but ended up being flash in the pant type games. Frankly he's one of the few guys enjoying himself in the current trannyscape of modern gaming. I guess I'll leave that speak for itself.
>>98002254>flash in the pantIs that a firecracker in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me? ;-)
>>98002133That just you, retard.
>what the hell is ACKS>b/x for /pol/tardsYou guys are the exact same as the trannies. You come into a normal hobby, cry when it doesn't cater to you, and then make everything worse.
>>98001857>would take decades to playtest it properly, considering how long it takes to do anything.Just because you are incapable of ever playing a game, does not mean that other people are incapable of playing games. Sorry to inform you
>>98002296It's for /pol/-tards with severe autism....so, /pol/-tards.
>>98002296ACKS has nothing much to do with polfagging except in the minds of fishfag whose already admitted he's a terminal polbrained faggot only here because of politics.The creator of it had some brief work done with some gay rightoid influencers like two decades ago, ran his marketing company for him iirc, and is willing to sue those who engage in libel against him over it. That's basically the extent of it. Far as I recall he's actually some brand of weirdass libertarian.Brainrotted bluesky retards are still seething that he made it clear he'd sue if they kept pushing the notion that he is a "radicalizing racist terrorist organizer" and that he is, quote, "almost exactly Osama Bin Laden" so now they don't get to talk about him at all on their sites and cry about it whenever it gets brought up.OP almost certainly made this thread just to make fishfaggot seethe at that considering he didn't follow-it up with any game discussion.
>>98002503>ACKS has nothing much to do with polfaggingWhen you have a mid game that's shilled by retards purely because of the creators politics (he's pro jew btw) it has a lot to do with polfaggotry.
>>98002548I like how the shill says it's not about politics right before he starts confirming he's some sort of ultrachud.
>>98002548People shilled it (past tense) mostly because it was a decent OSR clone that put a lot of emphasis on domain play and economics actually being useful rather than handwavey and some said those parts were good to be ripped out for use with other stuff.Not really my thing, I don't care about 'le realism' and I hate the whole feat/skill thing it had going on.Anyway the only ones who mention it now are those who mention it for domain play, a few people who run it like the Aztec campaign guy off osrg. Fishfag who is a delusional retard who thinks any mention of it is a calculated attack on his feebleminded existence. And a few fags who mention it specifically because it gets politicalbrained retards like Fishfag riled up even if they don't actually care the game.>>98002559>c-chudLiterally everyone outside rpgnet considers you people unhinged retards and even then the guy who was leading the charge against the ACKSfag, Trollman, is banned on there for being too unhinged about D&D 5E even for that crowd.
If you just handed someone a noose, are you still responsible for their suicide?
ACKS is heavily simulationist and rooted in historical precedent. This makes some people frothing mad.
>>98002326Got to love the "it's for /POL/" but gives no examples or reasoning why outside of the creator is right wing. Hanging on "the game was banned on a leftist gaming site or two." Like that means anything. Do I think ACKS is the best TTRPG ever. Nah, though don't think there is one "TTRPG" that beats all others. (Waiting to hear from GURPS bros pushing GURPS and all it's modules.)
>>98002778>but gives no examples or reasoning whyEvery fan of it is a tranny obsessed polfag.
>>98002812Saying random shit doesn't make it true fag.
>>98002582Nta>it was a decent OSR clone that put a lot of emphasis on domain play and economics actually being useful rather than handwavey and some said those parts were good to be ripped out for use with other stuff.This was pretty much my take on it.And the rest matches the nonsense I've seen in these threads.
>>98002812The kind that try to act with bluster but wilt immediately if they get pressed even a little. The kind of guy who looks both ways, says something [retarded], and then when he realizes he fucked up immediately goes "yo it was just a joke bro it was just a joke c'mon bros it was just a joke."
>>98002856That's what it wants to be, but the actual mechanics are pretty garbo.
>>98002864Are you talking about yourself?
>>98002812So no examples, got it.
>>98001433>It's over 1000,I looked, the Rulebook is only 548 pages long, that's including the art pages as well as the backer section or any other otherwise empty pages. The D&D 5e Player's book is 316 pages, CoC 7th is 445 pages. But it's not the Don Quixote length you're making it out to be.>>98001731That implies he's checking notes, I don't even think he's able to count.
why are you still shilling acks? honestly any osr chuds that were gonna give it a try already have.It isn't even that good at doing economy. Something like Harn does economy sim much better, though with a different focus.And it's actually quite bad for hexcrawling. It's filled with a countless rolls for every small stuff that is a real chore in the table.The only thing i really like are racial classes and maybe the feats. If you want a good advanced bx Labyrinth lord is the best
>>97996559What are some dumb rolls? I intend to start playing acks in the next couple of weeks, so I'm interested in what I might have overlooked when I read the books
>>97996224An osr system with in depth rules for going from a lowly adventurer to the ruler of a domain. There's a lot of drama because the creator is conservative and that's simply not allowed according to some people.
>>97998044>I'm going to introduce ACKS II to my group later this month (we just finished a Traveller game)are you me? I transitioned my group to traveller after they got used to tabletops with dnd 5e, and since they liked traveller I was planning on going to acks ii if we go back to fantasy.
>>98003212>someone with an obvious axe to grind is lyingshocker
>>98001943Those rules have no reason to apply if you're travelling a well established and travelled road between cities. If you're travelling through the wilderness, or leading a large party through a warzone, that's an adventure in and of itself and things should happen, these rules allow you to facilitate those things happening with any level of mechanical assistance that you desire. If you just want your party to teleport to a dungeon or have some theatre kid improv with city nobles and criminals, stick to dnd.
>>98002296You could simply avoid the thread if you dislike it so much. If only trannies made their own games and stayed in their own threads and communities.. The reality is that you cannot stand this game existing because its creator has different politics.
>>97995806Author is an alt right shitter and republicuck.
For what it's worth, I did lol when the book started comparing the basics of the game to the story of Job, and a second time at the point where it said adventurers should observe the shabbatThese are just quirks with no need to obsess over though. It's not the second edition of racial holy war or fatal. It's just a glimpse into the authors personality. By the way when leftists write books they inject way more of that stuff.
>>98003454>>97998044I'm doing the same as well strangely, just waiting for the physical books after backing the Elf book. With it planned to be my new fantasy game. They've only done OSR once before & I'm planning on it taking them a really long time before getting to domain stuff.
>>98003503Why does ACKS make trannies seethe so much? they can just play lancer or something if they don't like it, or disagree with the creators views.
>>98003551They can't tolerate someone with illegal opinions being allowed to exist.
>>98002582>People shilled it (past tense)I'm not even going to concede that much.People talked about it because they like it. Some retards decided shill is a magic word that lets them banish all discussion and started throwing it around like a 1st level spell.
>>98002268>peepeepoopoo poster is against ACKSUnironcially one of the strongest endorsements of the game I've ever seen.
>>98003349>Why does it even matter chudsThe truth always matters.
>>97995789I have a hard tine engaging with ACKS due to the shenanigans of certain users from /osrg/ and their anti D&D2E crusade. They're obsessed with ACKS to the point it puts me off this systens strengths.>>98000382Where do you think you are?
>>98004008>They're obsessed with ACKSHave you still not figured out that most of those people don't even care about ACKS? They're just mocking you by going along with your retarded "brosr" spook.
>>97996224A shitty game that uses OSR tag as a marketing tool as well is supposedly being muh trad neocon, all while trying to derail any criticism by using mih trad neocon game as a shield(the author is actually famous for leading some gay celeb's public campaigns, now that I think about it the author does come off as gay)
>>97995789I like it.
>>98001886>the author at some point realized all that is just silly and came up with the most hilarious cope of "just don't use my rules brah"lolGood advice though, I basically live by that
>>98003212Anon was obviously talking about phb + dmg>muh 5eIs garbage, I knowIn part because of bloatSo that is a pretty bad argument>CoCkThat's all the rules in one book though isn't it?
>>98003551Nobody with working cock, healthy bmi and above high school education plays or wants to play foegyg shit like acks. It's exclusively rightoid chud game. Also Lancer is infinitely better system :^) keep seething
>>98003503That's hardly something that's noticeable in the game, however.
>>98003212>But it's not the Don Quixote length you're making it out to be.>almost double 5e, which is a pretty big system>ignores that the rules are spread between more than one book>it's totally not bloated guys
>>98004236Sure. Game is just a fauxOSR game with lots of tables, most worthless but not all. Controversy comes from author being a piece of shit. And from low tier astroturfing of game itself on plebbit.
>>98004268Some folks like tables. But I'm an old MERP-fag so I am biased.I have never met the author, nor am I a US citizen so his politics and/or personality (or lackthereof) is any concern of mine.
>>98004297*is not a concern of mine.Mea culpa.
>>98004236Kinda is, because the game is an incredibly uninspired, unimaginative collection of rules that exist just for the sake of having rules.Once you head towards either extreme of the political spectrum, your imagination tends to atrophy considerably. It's why the Left can't meme and why the Right can't write.
>>98003521>>98003503the auran empire is the most romanboo imperialist and militaristic setting. And a half baked at that as well. Even half the names are of actual locations like Nicea, Tirenia, Achaea, etcBesides that they are the good romans with less genocides, more fair governing and imperial apologism to the max.So yeah the entire book is about his politics as much as the leftist ones are. It's an enlightened roman empire power fantasy where after imperialism things got better and the empire kicks more ass than ever before, with it's super great and mighty cataphracts and only the great warriors with big powerful souls get to go to heaven like it's valhala. It's the most "i was a fat metalhead nerd in highschool setting" that i have ever read from a grown up man in his 40s or 50s. Anyway the book really shows the author's power level. You are just kinda oblivious to it somehow. And to not be mistaken i am not saying any of this is inherently wrong. I know a couple of retards that would really vibe with this setting if they were into rpgs at all, but let's not pretend about what acks is selling.
>Setting is basically the Roman Empire getting holefucked by the Huns and falling apart>Some retard: Urm, ackshually this is a Romanaboo Imperialist powerfantasy chud, it might as well be Lancer sweatyActual retard hours went into crafting this opinion
>>98004297I'm partial to tables myself. And don't give a flying fuck about chud author either. If I wanted to play the game I'd just pirate it. I was merely explaining the controversy. >>98004498Well yeah, rightoid cucks love their roman shittery but it's hardly about modern day politics. Guy has a hard on for muh rom like every dime a dozen kinder fascist.
>>98004185No? CoC has multiple core books, just like every other game.But if we were to do phb + dmg / equivalents:ACKS rulebook: 548 (+484 for Judge's Journal) = 1032 pages.D&D 5e Player Handbook: 316 (+ 320 for DMG) = 636 pages.CoC 7th Core Rules : 445 (+284 for Investigator's Guide) = 729 pages.So yeah, I guess ACKS' two rulebooks are over 1000 pages, but these calculations include art, indices, things that don't actually matter. This made me do a few more for fun.Mong Trav 2e: 240 for Core book, +168 for the Traveller's Companion, +224 for High Guard, +150 for Item Catalogue, etc. (Mongoose actually considers far more than that "Core" for the game.)HarnMaster + HarnManor are only 200.Cyberpunk 2020: Core is 254, (It doesn't technically have a Ref book, but let's count Primitive Screwheads, 112 pages) = 366GURPS: 575 pages in the two books. Delta Green: 192 (Agent Handbook) + 368 (Handler's) = 560 pages.>>98004261I don't really see 5e as a big system, or a bloated rulebook like either of these posts say. After all, we can all agree 5e is the simplest D&D rules have been. I counted the 3.5e books too, 3.5e Player's handbook is 323 pages, slightly longer than the 5e one, the DMG 322 pages, two longer than the 5e rules. You can't really call 5e bloated when 3.5e's books are technically longer still than 5e's, plus I'm certain 5e had more art than 3.5e. But back to ACKS, over 1000 pages. Yes, I was wrong. But this is all including all the things that aren't tables or the like. But I still don't think it's unrealistic compared to other games. Most modern games have 600-800 pages, it's just that this one has more rules I probably won't need, but I get that that's it's point, ACKS' length is so that GMs don't need to make up a rule, so nearly everything is accounted for. This was fun though, especially the smaller ones.Please don't make me count the pages of the Monster Manuals.
Man, this shill is really fucking striving.
>>98003454I never gave my group the choice of 5e. They had a choice between Traveller and Pendragon.>>98004511People like >>98004498 and >>98004534 sort of prove the flaws in the US education system. When I was at (admittedly posh English boarding) school the Crisis of the Third Century was a key part of our education (mostly because comparing it to the collapse of our own empire made us feel better).
>>98004634>Does the math>Admits they're wrong>ConcedesThis poor guy is going to get ripped apart for defending a game's design philosophy because some loons will see correcting a mistake as weakness
>>98004713He's gonna be ripped apart for trying to defend one of the most bloated systems by comparing it to other bloated games and still having it look bloated as fuck. Him being objectively wrong on certain details is less embarrassing than the whole attempt in the first place.At some point, you really should probably just not try saying anything.
>>98004695Anon, it just sounds like your school was average rich people daycare for retards. I'm sorry for you.
>>98004713It's pretty obvious by this point that the guy who keeps screaming about shills, everything being bloated and about how embarrassing it all is, is just here to try and kill any discussion.Best thing to do is ignore him, because nothing will make him more upset.
>>98004779You really can't try to play a "No, it's the other side that's biased!" card when your defense of your game has been so passionate yet so inept.
>>98004779Are you actually trying to say it's NOT bloated?
>>98004268>Game is just a fauxOSR game with lots of tables>t. Some faggot who sincerely believes 2e is OSRKEK
>>98004803He already definitely tried. He's moved on to the "no don't, don't say mean things... don't" stage of his argument.
>>98004695>People like [tard anons] sort of prove the flaws in the US education system. Try to understand, Anon, they needed to read even more about some fat yokel with wooden teeth getting Benny Hill chased by Mexicans! They simply didn't have the time for the basics of Western history! The YOKELS
>>98004713>>98004779I wouldn't worry too much, eventually Anon's also going to figure out that the trannies who hate ACKS are just preposterously online and shrieking with insane rage that someone dares not to bend the knee, so it's pointless to try to reason with them. Honestly it's probably the exact same individuals as>https://gwern.net/doc/psychiatry/2014-01-25-cliobelleweisman-theworstpeopleyouhavenevermetdanddonlineharassment.htmlPoint being, either way, they'll presumably kill themselves out of troondespair before too long and the problem will solve itself.
>>98004738Mostly it was to prep us for working either in the civil service or the military. Upside is that I speak latin and am as much of a tax thief as my ancestors
>>98004803Yeah, I can actually. Watch this:>ACKS is a system that's attempting to do a shitload of things and include all of that in the main 3 tomes>What you have is effectively the character creation, load outs, adventuring mechanics, mass combat+realms, how to run a solid campaign, world building, monsters and the 'How to homebrew basically everything' in a single place.Pic related, other category includes conditions, character sheets, one off adventures, ect, ect.Let's see what'd be a whole other book in most systems:>Spell loadouts & equipment manuals>Mass combat rules if you're lucky>Setting guides>World building advise>Monster manuals>Homebrewing if you're really fucking luckyName the thing that's not necessary, or that you wouldn't want in the main books.Look, we all know you're painfully retarded and numbers bigger than those you can count on your fingers and toes (27-ish if you don't lose count) upset you deeply, but you have to understand, and I'm going to say this in small words so you can mouth it out as you read it.Big am do not mean bloated.Big can also mean mucho content and lots to say.Oh and for a measuring stick to compare to:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dungeons_&_Dragons_rulebooks#Dungeons_&_Dragons_3rd_edition_and_v3.5Spells & Gear alone: 1,664 pagesMonster Manuals: 1,118 pagesCommence Copeathon 2026, my money is on "You used a spreadsheet, that's so ACKS brained, hurr"
>>98004952>not activating the gridlines in your spreadsheet softwareschizo behavior, opinion discarded
>>98004952>what'd be a whole other book in most systemsThis is the real key point t bh. The three ACKS II books equate to a whole fucking series of splatbooks in most systems (imagine the amount of GURPS sourcebooks you'd have to buy, lmao), and in fact consist of just that: the revised content of pretty much the entire set of splatbooks for ACKS I. Of course there are more pages than average, it's absurd to expect anything else.
>>98005080If anything the big book o' everything approach disproves their other big claim.That being that it's totes a grift.What kind of retard would you have to be to run a grift by going "Here's your shit and the shit you need to run it and the shit you need to make more shit, now fuck off and run your game" in the core rules.Now 5e with its microtransaction splatbook method? That's a grift, but you'll never hear anyone point that out.
>>98004803I think CuCKS are bloat-broken.
>>98004113you really have to be more subtle
