A place for discussion of pre-WotC D&D, OSR retroclones, and OSR-adjacent games.>Is this a general?No, just a place to discuss OSR and related content>Isn't there an OSR thread already?No, current regulars of /osrg/ have made it clear they only want to see a specific subset of OSR games in the thread.This means the name /osrg/ is somewhat misleading but that's their problemPlease report and ignore any trolling.Thread question>is The Queen of the spiders that good or just a big railroad?
>>97997100Welcome to the fourth of a series of definitely not a generals posted by the board's greatest schizo, fishfag.Reminder that the actual /osrg can currently be found here:>>97958153>>97958153>>97958153This is just a containment thread for the insane filled with samefagging, and for celebrating the eternal triumph of the BROSR.
>>97997118>This is just a containment thread for the insane filled with samefagging.Cool, now go back to your general! You don't need to bother us here.
>>97997121Just flag him, do not engage >>97997100Never even read it, but I enjoy the drive back in the day
I know GH brought in the drow and FR flushed them out. Eberron just kinda switched them from underground spider worshipers to jungle dwelling tribal scorpion worshipers.Did any setting do anything else with them?
>>97997121You started your thread with a purposefully antagonistic OP after years of trolling /osrg/. Reap what you sow.
>>97997156>flag
>>97997100>is The Queen of the spiders that good or just a big railroad?It's got its moments, but they are really few and far between. Also, the finale is kinda lame by today's standards. Probably flipped people's brains though back in the day.
Anyone posting about ACKS is an unwelcome troll and should be ignored. Do not engage with them as they've tried to repeatedly flood threads across the board.
>>97997460As someone who has never played this, what was it?
>>97997167Spelljammer has drow, who call themselves void elves, but they're incredibly straight forward, basically just DROW, IN SPAAAAACE. Spider-shaped ships, worship Lolth; probably the only interesting thing is that despite having nations and fleets of ships, they're still incredibly rare and most people don't actually believe they exist. Up until a drow nation pulls up and kills everyone in a raid.
>>97997548Ugh I forgot they had a different name as they are just pure up drow lol
>>97997496Last module in Queen of the Spiders is Queen of the Demonweb Pits, and it takes place in the literal Abyss, and you can even fight the lesser goddess Lolth herself.This was long before Planescape, long before visiting other planes was like visiting the next town over. It was before there was any sort of finalized cosmology or mythology, and was something of a big deal... up until you actually go and the Demonweb Pits are incredibly underwhelming. Lolth is also pretty underwhelming for a goddess; she's a tough battle that can be made essentially unbeatable if the DM decides to juice her up with some of her optional abilities, but still kind of underwhelming for a literal goddess, especially for players who might know her from her later, significantly more powerful incarnations.
>>97997121No, this is an OSR thread, so I will be posting here.
>>97997470Stop it. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's trolling for Anons to talk about it. ACKS is OSR, so it's on topic here.
>>97997496>As someone who has never played thisNo shit lolDoes it sound like anybody here has played it? Nogame retards are discussing it like it's literature.
>>97997167>>97997460>>97997548>>97997648It's hilarious how literally nobody here has played, and yet you have to fake conversations about it, so you discuss the historical context, compare it with other settings you also have never played in, and rate it like it's a novella "it's got its moments".The hypothesis that there's just one retard, fishfag, faking a conversation is the more charitable one, with respect to the idea that there's multiple idiots who are fans of a game that they never play and have never played it.
>>97997648I can see that, gods were a lot weaker in 1e and the planes much less flushed out
>>97997770I know of it, but I came in with 2e. I have never seen it IRL but it did create the drow. Which have become far more detailed over the decades.>>97997788It's still interesting. Most of 1e crap is very basic. It's the 1st draft of the drow, of the demon web. I find that interesting
>>97997788>They're playing book clubYeah, they're a bunch of emasculated scrawny nerds who engage in a hobby for girls. Real men lift, play games, and praise Jesus.
>>97997768Nope, get fucked. Probably don't want to immediately start samefag shitposting while pretending you're not one of the retard trolls who thinks he can tantrum his way into getting whatever he wants.ACKS is only shilled by faggots.
>>97997800Yes, it did create the drow, that have been reused later. Such an insightful comment, this will certainly make me a better DM and help be run it. Thanks.
>>97997648lol bitch has 66HP.
>>97997100OSR games are pointless thoughbeit.
>>97997805>Everything I don't like is shillingThat's not what the word means.
>>97997813Ouch that is...very weak. IIRC the demigods book, which I have a copy of somewhere, was full of gods stated out under a 100hp
>>97997121The funny thing is that immediately rushing to this thread the second it was made to try and get people to go to his thread doesn't strike him as being a tad desperate.
>>97997648Wow, you're really an RPG historian. Is it really the last module in the series? I don't want to run it first, then! You surely know what you're talking about and you have totally played it! Thanks for the organic discussion.
>>97997548I also randomly recalled the twilight elves from hollow world. Don't remember much about them except they were kinda dark elves
>>97997548Wow, thanks for telling us that Spelljammer has drows! This is such an insightful comment based on having totally played both the Queen of Spiders module and in Spelljammer. The best minds of /tg/ congregate here. These very organic discussions about games from people who actually play them is so engaging.
>>97997820Well she could cast heal twice which gave her theoretically close to 200hp. However, even before UA released a prepared party could kill her in one round.
>>97997470No, ACKS is welcome. We've had a vote last thread and the vast majority was in favour of it.
>>97997100The metaplot makes it pretty railroady. You really need to be pushed in certain ways so that you can end one module in a place where you can start the next one.>>97997470>and nothing of value was lost
Talking of dark elves and spelljammer. 8 recalled this guy. They did a mini one sphere mini setting for 3e called "shadow of the spider moon" and the purple dark elves with lots of brass weapons were neat. Never got to run it but it was rather well done.
>>9799781366 HP is not very much for a goddess. Wow, such an insightful comment from experience having run the module and not just from reading it. Love this thread.
>>97997805We might have to start including some form of "ACKS is only for retards" in all of our posts to make it easy to skip over the troll posts.Also ACKS sucks.
>>97997847Yeah that seems pretty weak. Action economy and low HP makes her an easy kill
>>97997820>IIRC the demigods book, which I have a copy of somewhere, was full of gods stated out under a 100hpAnother book you've totally used at the table and not just read while taking a crap, eh?
>>97997100>boomers thought this was the hottest thing ever
>>97997831>I also randomly recalled the twilight elves from hollow world.Ah, yes, I also remember another unrelated thing from another unrelated book that I never actually used to play. But I'll mention it anyway, to make it look like a real and organic bconversation.
>>97997868No, just read that one. It's 1e, I didn't play 1e. But got it from a friend who knew I "played dnd" and he got it used.
>>97997855>The metaplot makes it pretty railroady.Ah, another comment from a totally different user who has also run it and is sharing his experience with it. This kind of comment clearly stems from direct experience running it, not from just reading it.
>>97997857Wow, I really like Spelljammer. It's good. Do you like Spelljammer? There Elves in it. And Spaceships! And the Elves are in the the Spaceships sometimes. Most people don't know this, but I've read the books.
Just some fyi. Once you start flagging the troll, it makes the thread so much more readable
>>97997864How much HP should a capital G God have, though?
>>97997884>I didn't play 1eNo shit, really? I thought you did!
>>97997167I like Eberron. It's a setting by Keith Baker, did you know? This is adding useful information to this organic discussion about games.
>>97997898I am in the school of thought you don't stat gods. If you stat them, they are just killable monsters.
>>97997898More than 66!
>>97997908NTA but fucking fair lol
>>97997907>If you stat Gods, they are just killable monsters.Wow, I had never thought of this! Such a deep take! If you give a God AC and HP, it can be killed! But if you don't stat it, then it's different from a monster. Not many DMs understand this. Great comment from a quality discussion.
>>97997911Yeah definitely has to have more than 66 hp. It's a very low number. Do you think it's a lot of hp?
>>97997870Big 80's hair is pretty hot and I'm still waiting for a comeback.Also, the original lolth art is pretty fucking lol.>>97997862ACKS really is a garbage system, and doesn't belong in the OSR.
>>97997870>boomers thought this was the sexiest thing ever>>97997917>boomers thought this was the sexiest thing everLol fishfag.bot has a bug and it has fired the same comment twice.
>>97997927Nah I am just braintrotten so I forgot if I made the comment already and didnt think about checking lol
>>97997919>Big 80's hair is pretty hot and I'm still waiting for a comeback.>Also, the original lolth art is pretty fucking lol.Another insightful comment from an Anon who totally plays in this very organic discussion.
>>97997919>ACKS really is a garbage system, and doesn't belong in theCompletely unrelated statements. Try making a cogent argument instead of acting like an ESL subhuman
>>97997919Ya know, with how flammable that stuff was, we are all lucky to be alive. You recall how it could just suck the oxygen out of a room?
>>97997919We voted on it last thread. The vast majority was in favour of keeping ACKS in the thread, so accept the will of the majority and stop shitting up the thread.
>>97997827He was probably refreshing the board every second.
>>97997946lol do you remember Michael Jackson's hair as a kid? He had an afro. But not later in life. The eighties came and went, and hairstyles changed.
>>97997891Spelljammer is a setting with numerous people who have said multiple positive things about it!
>>97997951Please stop feeding the trolls.
>>97997951There have been 27 troll posts so far. These guys have no life.
>>97997895Stop announcing, faggot
>>97997827Stop engaging with the trolls, Anon.
>>97997951Remember to say ACKS sucks. Also, ACKS is only played by pedophiles.
>>97997831>I also randomly recalled the twilight elves from hollow world.Interesting.I randomly remembered that Dragonlance has Elves called "Qualinesti".Does this make you randomly remember something else?
>>97997952My white mother had one in the 70s, I have seen the pictures lol. The fries were a thing for a while. Do you recall perms? Or Jerry curles? Ugh the fucking smell of perms
>>97997857>Talking of dark elves and spelljammer. 8 recalled this guy.You talking about this guy I recalled that Dragonlance has Kender. The Kender are kinda cryptomaniac.
>>97997918Retard bumpfag
>>97997954You saying this I randomly remembered that post apocalyptic 2e setting, but I didn't randomly remember its name
>>97997548>Spelljammer has drowYes! And Dragonlance has Tinker Gnomes. What other setting has something? Let's share more of these trivia in these organic discussion!
>>97997963Uhm, based?
>>97997986I remember game settings! I have played games before!
>>97997968Yeah, the eighties were really something. I think the nineties were better. Do you remember Kurt Cobain? I randomly remembered Kurt Cobain. I'm sad he died.
>>97997959There's hope that enough of these threads will use up what's left of their lifespans. They might literally die from having such a long tantrum.
>>97998014I was alive in the eighties. I played d&d then. I remember playing d&d.
>>97997984With all this organic conversation the thread doesn't need bumping>>97997963>ACKS is only played by pedophiles.
>>97997963>fishfag talking about pedophiles as if they're a bad thingtwo years on 4chan, and he's still a tourist from plebbit and rpg.net
>>97998021What, like in STRANGER THINGS?You're a legend, Anon
>>97998032>a fish is fine too!
>>97998038This is proof that 2e dnd is osr and the best edition ever!
>>97997827That's hardly the biggest sign of his desperation.
>>97998040kek
>>97998061He's desperate. He's having a meltdown. He's really upset.
>>97998019>TheyIt's just one Anon, remember!
>>97997907The "if you stat it, we can kill it" meme breaks down when people can just effectively make stuff up so that NPCs are functionally unkillable. Like how Elminster has one spell that he always has cast that teleports and heals him any time his life is in danger.Actually killing Elminster may be the hardest challenge in D&D, which is probably why so many people have spent way too much time writing up plans on how to do it.
>>97998124>Actually killing Elminster may be the hardest challenge in D&D, Not even close.If we're talking just killing one guy, killing Asmodeus.His AD&D stats and lore make him stronger than any god.
>>97997857Whoa, what is up with that sword. It's like a saber plus a foot and a half.
>>97997100>>Is this a general?>No, just a place to discuss OSR and related contentThis is the fifth or sixth of these threads you've posted, why would you expect this to work, fagtard? Do you actually think the jannies are this stupid?
>>97997121Since this is an OSR thread, we will continue to post here and remind everyone that 2e is not OSR. Tough luck!
>>97997100Jannies, can you finally get off your asses and delete these faggoty hijack threads?
>>97997167>EberronI'll give you this, it's every bit as OSR as 2e and Spelljammer.
>>97997648Were planes actually that big a thing?It feels like other dimensions were everywhere. You could even carry some around with you.
>>97997470Sorry butty, we took a vote last thread and this is the ACKS General. BrOSR territory forever! Sucks to suck, fawg.
>>97997999Mystara has Shadow Elves, which are drow but more drowlike and less drowlike. Waow!
>>97998222So, I'm not involved in any of this, but I like a lot of nuSR games and wish there was a healthy general for them. Unfortunately, every other general about anything OSR-adjacent that isn't the pure holy b/x is full of people complaining about both fishfag and the OSR general itself.The damage from people sperging out about this fishfag seems way more visible than the damage from fishfag thimself.
>>97997100>he's so scared of BrOSR now that he's not even linking the new thread in the old one
>>97998238Did you know that a portable hole is a dimension?! A Bag of Holding also contains another dimension! You really can carry them! Thanks for this organic conversation.
>>97998235Eberron as a setting is kinda inextricably linked with the 3.5 edition ruleset; I'm not sure its possible to do Eberron with retroclone rules and have it be coherent.
>>97998248Bro, there's an NSR thread up right now. You don't have to engage with this fag and his incessant campaign of troll threads and shriekposting.>people complaining about the OSR general itselfNo, that's not "people", it's literally one very mentally ill guy.
>>97998255So the obvious conclusion is that...?
>>97997768This is the ACKS General. ACKS is the only thing that's on topic here, li'l bro.
>>97997788>The hypothesis that there's just one retard, fishfag, faking a conversation is the more charitable oneCorrect. If he were sensible he's never pretend to be multiple people, which would just be even more pitiful, especially since they're defenseless against Macris and his muscular BrOSR chads.
>>97998255its a setting, at worst you add some new rules or change some existing ones to run it. with ad&d and acks anyway. 5e on the other hand seems pretty tied to forgotten realms.
>>97997791True that, the planes were still in the toilet bowl during 1e.
>>97997800>I find that interestingYou find that interesting?I find THAT interesting!
>>97997820Wow, that's so true! 66 HP *is* less than 100 HP! This is really going to help me run the module, the kind of organic insight you can only get from someone who's played it.
>>97997827You're just cooked.
>>97997847True, healing with Heal makes you moreresilient! I couldn't agree more, what a deep insight into this module.
>>97997857Wow, Spelljammer 3e! I bet those prestige classes are so OSR and totally tubular. It's great that you really ran this so that you know important facts like that the purple drow are cool.
>>97997862Wow, putting something like that in all your posts is really going to keep BrOSR chads out and totally defeated! What a clever plan. I can't believe nobody thought of that before.
>>97997891Did you know there used to be Spelljammer fansites in the 1990s? It's true!
>>97997895>flaggingYou misspelled fagging, fag.
>>97997905I didn't know that! Tell me more organic information about the OSR setting Eberron.
>>97997908>>97997918What about less than 66, though? Have you considered that?
>>97997919>ACKS really is a garbage system, and doesn't belong in the OSR.Sorry breh, we took a vote and your thread belongs to us BrOSR ACKSchads now. Try not to baww too hard, then find Jesus and get liftin'! Realistically, you can't become as yoked as us chads, but at least you can get less DYEL than you are now.
>>97997952He was also black as a kid! But not later in life. The eighties came and went, and skin colors changed.
>>97998019>t. Tantrum HaverKeep seething impotently, li'l man! After all, you couldn't seethe any other way.
>>97997963Sorry li'l buttdude, ACKS is based and shredpilled. Leave your diddler fantasies out of it.
>>97997967I randomly remembered that the release of the first Dragonlance module is the cutoff for the end of the old school era! How random.
>>97997977>The Kender are kinda cryptomaniac.That's right, the kender were cazy for codes! Coo coo for Cocoa Puffs, those little Alan Turing gnomes.
>>97998014Kurt Cobain had nipples. That always weirds me out when I remember that. He also had a wife.
>>97998068To be fair, in wha other direction could you melt? Can you imagine having a meltdiagonalrightandback? It just wouldn't be convenient.
>>97997648>It was before there was any sort of finalized cosmologyI disagree. Cosmology was in essence final no later than 1983. GDQ1-7 is from 1986. Manual of the Planes is from 1987. MotP describes a fixed cosmology and is extremely similar in its cosmology to the very first printing of Deities & Demigods which is from 1980. There were relatively small changes>expanded role of the energy planes to create the quasi-elemental planes>concept of deep/border for ethereal>renamed some paraelemental planesbut>the great wheel>gods living on the outer planes>outer planes accessed via the astral>outer plane alignment>ethereal around prime material then inner planesare the cosmology of 1980.In Q1, there is no subpart of GDQ 1-7 numbered 7, players travel into the Abyss, a plane that appears as it is described in DDG. The rule in Q1 about clerics in the Abyss regaining only 1st and 2nd level spells was established by Grubb in Dragon in 1982. While it doesn't matter for Q1 as players don't go to them, the quasi-elemental planes are from a Gygax Dragon article in 1983. That is the date after which the cosmology only undergoes minor changes and a little fleshing out to fill up a hardback book.
>>97998679That's very ChatGPT of you, lmaoThanks for this absolutely organic, very topical essay
>>97998726>ACKshill believes an effort post showing actual competency can only be produced by an LLMkek
>>97998252Your mention of a portable hole made me randomly think of fleshlights. I thought I'd mention it to keep this organic conversation going.
>>97998264I don't know, but it made me think that there's tieflings in forgotten realms.
>>97998308And if you do it twice with 66hp it takes you close to 200hp. This is because 66×3=198, which is 2hp less than 200hp
>>97998333It's like a fantasy punk setting!
>>97998336Less than 66 is also less than 100 by the transitive property of "less than".
>>97998343In all fairness, he had vitiligo. He got his skin bleached because he didn't like looking like a panda or a dalmatian. It wasn't a racism thing. Poor Michael.
>>97998358kek
>>97998889That's so mathematical!
>>97998866>an effort post showing actual competency"Competency" at reading and talking about RPG books as if they were novels instead of playing is nothing to be proud of, fishfag.It's an admission that you're a scrawny nerd with women's interests. A eunuch, castrated by communist feminism, who doesn't lift, doesn’t shower, and doesn’t praise Jesus and his three apostles Gary the Witness, Alexander the Conqueror, and Jeffro the Groundbreaker.
>>97998866It's probably more that he knows that no 2efag has any grasp whatsoever of 1e sources, especially not the deranged ACKS-hating fag posting these threads known as Fishfag, who's repeatedly proven that he doesn't even know the rules of 2e well enough to make a character. That together with bizarre tells like>In Q1, there is no subpart of GDQ 1-7 numbered 7, players travel into the Abyss, a plane that appears as it is described in DDGis pretty conclusive.
>>97998898>In all fairness, he had vitiligo.Right! The eighties came and went, and his skin color changed.
>>97998249It's not a general.
>>97998890Does it have tieflings?
The BrOSR are very upset. They're having a meltdown. They're terrified. We're winning. My anus burns like he'll, though.
>>97998912lmao, good one
>>97998915When Tielflings get vitiligo, what color does their skin turn?
>>97998911>his skin color changed.Your comment shows competency.
>>97998866Thank you for showing competency, Anon. That was very competent of you. You know many trivia about RPG books. Share some more, that's what non-subhumans who are totally not fishfag do in real conversations!
>>97998921I don't know if I'm competent enough to reply to that. Ask fishfag, who has many competencies.
>>97998921IMO purple like a 3e Spelljammer drow
>>97998926Organic competence derives directly from reading trivia about RPG books and/or getting an LLM to produce said trivia without you having to read it. 2e enthusiasts are experts at this.
>>97994247>Beau Rancourt recently described how his Arden Vul campaign crashed with no survivors due in part to OSRIC removing the AD&D rule about scaling the XP gain to challenge levelI find this an interesting topic. Part 1Here is my QRD- mostly 8 lvl characters with loads of powerful magic items and AoE spells- they run into a faction that is too low of a threat (main grunt is F2 on floor level 4 !)- there is too much treasure for the threat level, non magical treasure alone accounts for 10x the monster XP (I believe, didn't recheck) and then there is like 1 magnitude more worth of magic items- this is supposedly balanced out by the sheer numeric advantage (like 300 strong)
>>97999333Part 2The DM ran into problems- how do you do a battle of that size?- his solution, the cultists should flood the forum where the fighting started b/c of loud AoE spells- due to 1e/OSRIC rules his fighters are invulnerable to weapons and those who are require a nat 20 to be hit- enemy highlevel NPC party doesn't have the spells and items to pose a threat to PCs- so basically the fight breaks out and the PCs will murder the entire cult on the forum- gaining disproportional amount of treasure, magic items, and thus XP- the last point being that 1e has a paragraph about diminishing treasure XP returns in case of inadequate threat level as an obvious crutchFirst of all let me say outright this is obviously an Arden Vul problem first, not an OSRIC problemNow that we got that out of the way, I will gather my thoughts on thisto be continued...
>>97999340Part 3.let's start with an easy question.Could a DM do something different in this situation?I believe, yes.If intelligent adversaries see that they are getting obliterated, why should they continue fighting in the open, getting fucked by AoE spells and failing to hit the fighters?Instead they should retreat, blockade entrances, lock doors, prep ambushes and traps, maybe even desperately call for help to other factions.Make the PCs work for each room, depleting their abilities and never giving them the chance to recover.It is quite possible that the PCs would overrun the place either way, at least that would be earned not just cheesed with AoE spells in an open hallcont.
>>97998912Totally not a general.
>>97998021But did you have an afro?
>>97997470Anyone posting against ACKS is an unwelcome butthurt emasculated nerd and should be bullied and laughed at.HAIL MACRIS
>>97999408Part 4.Could have a different system save the day?I understand AV was written and "playtested" [I'll get to it later] with AD&D 1e in mind.And the blogpost mentions that in 1e the players would get less XP due to inadequate challenge.However, does it solve the issue? No.The blogpost calculates the XP reward for the dungeon section which comes at roughly 1M XP. the PCs are at roughly 100K even if you award 1 xp for 4-5 gp it's still broken.What about B/X?- first of all all nat 20s hit by default, so high AC fighters are not invulnerable to mooks- PCs are generally weaker and fighters can't dish out mean 76 dmg per round (as calculated in the blogpost)- XP for magic items is NOT awarded at all- either way advancement is capped by 1 level up per time.So 1e is actually not making that much of a difference, while B/X [once again] proves to be a system of superior design by withstanding even such obvious adventure design flaws (all while being what, 5 times lighter on rules by text volume?)cont.
>>97998679>GDQ1-7 is from 1986The original QotDWP was first revealed in 1979 as a module played during Gen Con, then later published in 1980, before it was packaged all up as a super adventure.There was lots of weird plane stuff even later than that, including Malfera coming from the "Dimension of Nightmares" in Dave Cook's 1983's Temple of Death.
>>97999468Part 5.My personal thought on Arden Vul and pre-written mega-dungeons.Quite obviously and evidently by reviews on the same blog, such a multi-volume text will never get enough editing and playtesting to be ready to use without significant reworking on GM's part.This begs the question then, What's the point? Sure there is a factor of the challenge of running such a demanding game. Seems to be just for the achievement alone though? Creating a mega-dungeon yourself as your table explores is doubtable a more fun and creative way to do it and will probably be a better experience for the players.The only legitimate reason I can see are the shared "war stories" you can discuss with other tables.anyway that's what I think.The end
>>97998124Fair enough.>>97998212Rule of cool mostly. Gotta hunt those space whales with something.
>>97998235It's not OSR, but was a d&D setting and I was asking about how settings handled drow
>>97999498>doubtable a more fun experienceNaturally read as undoubtedly
>>97998248They are trolls from the osrg whore whole goal is to kill any OSR discussion. They get away with it as the mods don't actually care.
>>97998255Well you can, it's been ran in things like savage worlds. You can run a setting in any system if you want to put work into it
>>97997805>ACKS is only shilled by faggots.Does our Prophet Alexander Macris look like a FAGGOT to you, you scrawny nerd?
>>97999340>require a nat 20 to be hitDoes OSRIC have nat 20's as autohits? Wasn't that introduced in 2e?
>>97999505>Naturally read as undoubtedlyInteresting. Tell us more.
>>97998294Yes? I find a lot of things interesting. I know a lot of useless information too. Do yeah that I found interesting
>>97999508That's been literally your only goal in life for the last two years. You don't like the taste of your own medicine, eh, fishfag?
>>97999513>it's been ranIt's been RUN you fucking ELS subhuman. Go back into your diarrhea ditch in Bangalore.
>>97999513>You can run a setting in any system if you want to put work into itThis is so insightful. Thank you, your wisdom will make me a better DM.
>>97999505I read your naturally as natively.
Welp we got a little discussion in before the trolls woke up and invaded.
>>97999539No son, I have been actively posting here since about February. Y'all trolls think everyone is another troll and troll endlessly in a war mostly in your imagination >>97999541Once more, I am from Appalacha. We say ran. It's just a turn of phase. English isn't just book English.
>>97999581>It's just a turn of phase.That's not what "turn of phrase" means, idiot.>I am from Appalacha.And you can't even spell "Appalachia"? That makes you even more retarded than ESL subhuman retards. Your English might actually improved if you bathed into the afore-mentioned diarrhea ditch in Bangalore.
>>97999602Spelling can be a bitch with dyslexia. Not everyone is trying to troll you.
>>97999528I don't think it does, that is simply the target mentioned by the author after AC and to hit are accounted forThe even bigger issue being that some PCs had to high off an AC to be hit by most enemies at all
>>97999634NTA but OSRIC 3.0 has a little side box saying some folks house rule critical and fumbles in. However it's clear they are not official rules
>>97999563Their invasions just add to the post count. Pay them no mind, aside from recognizing how much effort they have to put into trying to suppress OSR discussion they personally dissaprove of. And this is them acting with an unfair advantage. Imagine if the rules against flooding/trolling were actually enforced on them.
>>97999669I advise flagging but the mods are hands off with trolling it seems. I am slowly figgerin out troll timezones though. It got real busy after I went to bed and they started about an hour or so before bed.
>>97999468>So 1e is actually not making that much of a difference, while B/X [once again] proves to be a system of superior designI almost feel bad for AD&D sometimes. The OSR has become increasingly B/X centric as time has passed, and doesn't seem to be changing from continuing to move in that direction any time soon.
>>97999581>No son, I have been actively posting here since about February.fuck off tourist
>>97999701Go fuck yourself you goalpost shifting troll
>>97999699Hell look at 2e, they get a retro clone, a failed neoclone(Kickstarter disaster), and a handful of small PDFs. But to be fair most use the near endless supply of bx/1e stuff.
>>97999738It's hard for 2e, because all the lore stuff is still firmly locked up by WotC, and anyone who wants to do anything with the settings has to do a DimMoon or CrowFoyer or MisrememberedLocations analog version, and most who do that just chase the really big dollars and make it for 5e instead.
>>97999724No fuck you
>>97999628>dyslexiaSo you are retarded, after all.
>>97999563Another BrOSR victory.
>>97999669>Imagine if the rules against flooding/trolling were actually enforced on them.If rules against trolling were enforced, the whole thread would be deleted as a trolling attempt against /osrg/.
>>97999678>Sherlock Fishfag just discovered that most posters on 4chan live in the USA.>Such a genious
>>97999724Telling newfags to get their shit together is the shared responsibility of all posters. It does line up how obviously you stand out and how insistent you are on signalling your identity on an anonymous image board. You're proper dumb.
>>97999785It's hard for 2e because it's a load of crap and nobody actually plays it. 2etards only like to READ the books and to complete collections.
>>97999724>Go fuck yourselfWhen I'm done raping you I may jack off.>goalpost shifting trolllmao this retard who's totally not fishfag keeps using fancy expressions such as "shifting goalposts", "ad hominem", and "sunk cost fallacy" trying to sound smart, but he has no idea what they mean.
>>97999581>I have been actively posting here since about Februarylurk moar you literal dyslexic retard
>>97999699It makes some sense. Basic is simpler, so there's less buy in from new players. Which means it's faster to get gaming. It's a pattern that repeats itself all over the Hobby. It's a bitter pill to swallow. Especially since it's weirdly easier to find 2e AD&D books than any of the other TSR stuff.
>>97999333>>97999340>>97999408>>97999468>>97999498>shamelessly stealing discussions from /osrg/>proompting an LLM sloppa about a blogpostKEK, desperateReally grasping at straws to make your general look like it has discussion, Fishfag
>>97999437He had vitiligo.
>>97999505I read undoubtedly as doubtable instead
>>97999535I find that information useless.
>>97999581>hoot dawgie, ah'm a newfagWay to out yourself, genius
>>97999539We know that he hates it. Remember how furious he got last time his fake /osrg/s got spammed out? And how he got so possessed by assrage when the mod told him to stop posting them that he warped the meaning of the mod's words in his mind to mean the exact opposite? Kek
>>97999563>Welp we got a little discussion inNo you didn't. Point to the posts you think are authentic.
>>97999602He can't spell phrase either.
>>97999669If the rules were enforced this thread would have been wiped within minutes of posting, idiot.>>97999810This.
>>97999678>flagging
>>97999856>it's weirdly easier to find 2e AD&D books than any of the other TSR stuff.That's because nobody wants them. 2e books are trash, in the most literal sense.
>>97999669Best thing you can do is ignore and report. SOMETIMES their posts get deleted but it's hit & miss. Also if they spam/flood this thread full, just make a new one. Clearly the mods are OK with this existing so far, so it's going to keep being made for the forseeable future.
>>97999785>the rules are hard to clone because the settings are copyrightableLmao, ridicuous
>>97999837But you don't understand!!! He swears he's only had the exact same opinions as before since February! That's why he uses all the same phrases, and arguments, and is asshurt about something he says happened in October (which actually happened in about 2014)!
>>98000032>zero-content troll thread is going to keep getting made until the mods get sick of it and start deleting it on sightSeems like it would be easier and faster to just stop right away, but you do you I guess.
>>97999785This is true, there are still fan pages that put out soild work. No one really trusts wotc with that kinda stuff
>>98000032>it's going to keep being made for the forseeable future>i-i-it's not a general though!Lmao, and why not? Because you know perfectly well yourself that the moment you admit you're trying to create a rival general the thread will be deleted with no survivors.But then you must also know that as soon as the jannies catch on, your shit's getting waxed.
>>97999819No son, the trolls posted hardest between 10 pm and 6 am EST. That's not an American pattern
>>98000069This is true, people really don't trust wotc to handle their IP! What an insightful contribution to this organic discussion! This will make me a better GM.
>>98000032This situation actually being an improvement is kind of sad, but it's at least a step forward.It's also a step forward because it lets people see just how insane the trolls actually are. Some naive people might have thought the idea of trolls willing to samefag for hours on end and otherwise try to shitpost any argument against them to death must be some kind of an exaggeration, but we're now looking at trolls who are spending literally every waking hour for several days throwing a tantrum about people not wanting to post in the echo chamber they made.
>>98000081It's an Albany expression
>>98000086>It's also a step forward because it lets people see just how insane the trolls actually are.Remember when you tried this argument during your fake /osrg/ spamming, and thought it would rally people to your side? Kek
>>97999856>Basic is simpler, so there's less buy in from new players. Which means it's faster to get gaming. It's also just generally better. It's hard to make a case for 1e over B/X.
>>97999856NTA but the ease is why OSE and it's like are super popular yeah. As for 2e stuff, well it was in print to like 98, it had a number of printing 11 or so, I think. Then it had rebranding in 95, giving you two sets of books on the resale market. Then in 2013 Wotc did another reprint and you saw a huge number of old books hit the resell market again. I picked up 2 hardly used phbs for like 8 bucks each in 2015
>>97999978Son, you trolls call everyone fishfag. I don't give a shit that you think being a new active poster is a negative
>>98000086>people not wanting to post in the echo chamber they madeLmao, people don't want to post in here either, you dumb nigger./todd/ had more real posts than this. The recently started /nsrg/ has more already.
>>98000117>I don't give a shit that you think being a new active poster is a negativekek, unironically lurk moar
>>98000117You really should avoid talking to the trolls directly. It kind of ruins the comedy of their desperate shitposting if you charitably offer them even the slightest bit of attention.
>>98000086NTA, but yeah. These boys are just sad. They try to shit every OSR thread up to kill conversation and all they are doing is showing how weak mods are and how sad they are.
>>98000137I try but damn they are so stupid. They have mostly been talking to themselves.
>>98000129>The recently started /nsrg/ has more already.Great to hear, I might swing by and ask about Cairn later.
>>98000108Bx aside, I feel like I'd have an easier time convincing new people to play 2e over 1e. The only sales pitch I could really use for 1e is maybe to lean in on the whole "Gygax" brand, but that's really lost a lot of points and was not that strong a hook to begin with. People care way more about the quality of a game vs. if they recognize the name of who made it.
>>98000216>People care way more about the quality of a game vs. if they recognize the name of who made it.You overestimate people.
>>98000137Yes, please stop talking to the trolls. It only makes them rape us harder.
>>98000142You've been shitting up /osrg/ for years. Enjoy your just deserts.
>>98000216NTA but I never see a reason to recommend 1e over 2e. The only reason 1e became a big thing in OSR spaces was it really needed recognizing and cleaned up. It also was 2 decades out of print at that point and hard to find at the time.2e, to this day is super easy to find and better orginzed than 1e. Mote clear as well. Not flawless but of the two I go 2e every single time
>>98000114It's kind of wild just how quickly OSE has exploded.I know a bunch of people who had never touched an OSR game before picking up OSE, and a few weeks later they're walking around like their balls are too big for their pants.
>>98000358It's simple and well organized. The advance book separated race and class and ads a few more things. The magazine has a bunch of stuff in it to.It's just a clean simple game you can use to teach folks the basics in a single night.
>>97998212It's a pretty sexy sword.
>>97999947What the fuck are you talking about?Surely you can post to same thoughts voiced in osrg before my posts were up?
>>98000418NTA, but honestly I liked the art they used for that mini setting.
>>98000086Also LMAO at any effort posts being attributed to llms because trolls literally never had a thought in their head longer than 3 sentences, so it is unheard of for them
>>98000216Convincing your players?kek you'll have to convince yourself to run 1e one you actually try running the game raw ands have to deal with rules being laid out in several different placesImagine how was it before people could ctrl-f a pdf
>Coming across Fishfag out in the wild off site>There actually are two of them>Pic relatedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKnOW42Tv6gAll memery aside, I wholeheartedly apologize to both these posters if I've ever mistaken them for a single person. Turns out there are at least two of you out there who are mad and salty enough to bitch elsewhere.However as at least one of the people you're talking about who likes ACKS, has been called a shill countless times across countless threads, and thinks 2e isn't OSR?You're still wrong.But, if it's any consolation, I, at least, am not trolling.These are my genuine opinions and if you think they're retarded that's fine, but I believe them and I'm not just saying them to cause arguments.I'll try to be kinder to you both in the future now I know these are your sincerely held opinions as proven by you being mad elsewhere, unless you keep being proactively retarded and hostile to everyone. But I hope that you won't.Not going to post either the video, or any usernames just as a sign of good faith, even if you're a dogshit bastard you're still an anon and deserve your privacy.But stop talking about 4chan on other sites, retard, you'll get yourself in trouble.
>>98000669well i have to give you credit for freeing yourself of that psychosis. I still hate your guts for your my way or the highway view of osr tho. and 2e and acks are osr.
>>98000669Oh and to the Janny for when this inevitably gets reported. I included the image to prove I'm not just bullshitting but have proactively chosen to not dox even their usernames or where I found them.I just want this board to be a little less shit and this is an olive branch in service of that.
>>98000537Selling people on 1e is an ordeal.The books themselves really do no one any favors.I kinda understand the people who try to go all cult-mode with getting people into it. I don't agree with what they do, but I understand why they do it.
>>98000537NTA but I honestly think poor layout was the driving force for 1e clones. It's bad
>>98000689All due respects, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire given your attitude.You're looking at a group of people who want to talk about Apocalypse World and going "But why can't I talk about FATE here? It's mechanically similar."But I'm glad to know we're both at least disagreeing because we have a difference of opinion, rather than you having ulterior motives.Also, can you at least meet me half way on this and acknowledge there is at least one poster around here who isn't here to have conversations, but rather to stop them, particularly on the subject of ACKS?And that's far more malevolent than me (or anyone who agrees with me on 2e) going "Just make your own thread."
>>98000689Still should auto-ignore any posts about Acks. The trolls wanted the /osrg/ as their Acks hugbox, and if they want to shill it they can do it there and not have people shit on them everywhere else for promoting such a mediocre game shilled by such a toxic group. APeace and harmony.
>>98000725ya the ACKS thing is really odd. and all the "Pro ACKS" or "BROsr" trolling is just making it worse. it was really aggressive in the last thread and im sure you've notice some in this thread.
>>98000736>the ACKS thing is really oddIt really isn't, that poster has outright admitted that their goal is to get it banned off the site because "Ree, /leftypol/ told me it was bad"They've been a pain in the ass for a while and when you piss on people on 4chan (even the more lackadaisical parts of it like here), you can fully expect them to break out the piss waterboarding equipment in return.I'm sorry that you and people like you have got caught in the crossfire of that, but as shown by the post above yours, there's some Janny-wannebes on here who are just barely restraining their desire to go whining to the Moderators (Again) about how the meany meany poo-poo-pee-pee goblins should be banned off /tg/ just like they were off reddit.As a side note.Man to man.Homie to homie.Can you really just not have a /2eg/?It's not a good fit for OSR gameplay due to the shift in design focus.That doesn't mean it can't be talked about. Shit, last time there was a general for it I had some real fun talking about the settings (Birthright in particular)Why are you so determined to just be an appendix in /osrg/ rather than your own thing? 2e has more than enough legs to endure if star wars can have its own general.
>>98000767it really can't stand on its own right now with the anti 2e trolling. And im fine with whatever flavour of more permissive /osrg/ thread housing 2e if anons do actually talk about it. /nsrg/ right now previously /todd/.
>>98000689ACKS isn't OSR. It's a trojan horse built on the back of an OSR game.You maybe could call it OSR-adjacent, but considering the extreme departure it is, even that is a stretch. It took a game that had a singular genesis of being a simplified and streamlined version of D&D, and turned it into an almost parody-level of bloat.If that's all it was, it'd probably be fine, but the guys who've made ACKS their identity are pretty psychotic, and this thread, and the last thread, and the thread before that, should be more than enough to say "these guys are more disease than human."
>>98000694>I'm not just bullshitting but have proactively chosen to not dox even their usernames or where I found them.Remember that:1. fishfag shared multiple screenshots of discord chats with the usernames left in.2. He explicitly said that sharing discord chat logs is not doxing.3. Those screenshots were not deleted by mods.He kept trolling one of the users by calling random people here on 4chan by the usernames in the chat he shared.Proof of all three statements in picrel and at this link:https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97206318/#97214190
>>98000798Yeah fishfag is completely deranged. He looked up my post history in another Discord server (one of the gamefinder ones) and then edited the screenshot to have me admit to having a diaper fetish. It's very amusing. I've never had an obsessed autist before.
>>98000767The thing with the /osrg/ for me is that they're pushing a strict version of osr that controls how people play. Promoting playing raw in a sandbox is fine, but my problem is they insist their way is the correct one, and "storyshitting" play is therefore an invalid way of playing. also its tossing out all discussion of the 2e material that could be used with 1e.
>>98000789>If that's all it was, it'd probably be fine,It would still be bad and worth dissuading people from wasting their time with it. And you'd be saving them really a lot of time. It's a game that'll make you a worse DM if you run it because it always has the most overcomplicated nonsensical braindead way of resolving anything. Pretty sure that the reason it got flagged on reddit for being shilled was because the shills were going on and on about how great the game was and how it was literally the best game they've ever played and you should totally buy into the kickstarter immediately, and then the actual game is not just bad, it somehow succeeds in being a considerably worse game than the game it was built from. When the shill's claims and the product they're shilling has such a huge disparity, it's immediately suspicious. It's a huge fucking step back in design, with a complete lack of understanding of what makes games fun or good or simply not a shitshow. A DM could maybe make it work, maybe they could squeeze out a few drops of fun from it and convince themselves it's not a shit game, but it's just about always better to recommend any other game instead of it, even without the whole troll thing.
>>98000798Maybe. But I'm not fishfag and I don't plan to start sucking lead painted cocks at a professional level any time soon either.>>98000820I think that's fundamentally where we disagree. I think that playing in a sandbox is fundamentally an outgrowth of "Players gotta have agency"Doesn't have to be raw and I've never used the term storyshitting in the 2 decades I've been on this godforsaken site.But to me, a heavily structured campaign with excessive control on the part of the DM is fundamentally opposed to osr playstyle.Similar, funnily enough, to how it's fundamentally opposed to the ideals and principles of PbtA, just to show I'm not saying OSR is special in that way or the only system that does it.Framing devices aren't railroads of course and some people take it too far/are intentionally retarded to troll, but to me it's not an OSR game if I don't have the chance to go "Right, fuck this, we're in over our heads, let's get the fuck out of Dodge."
>>98000767>It's not a good fit for OSR gameplay due to the shift in design focus.Fuck off with that bullshit.>>98000781No OSR game could stand by itself. And it doesn't make sense to try and cut any of them out, because the discussions about the games naturally flow into each other.
>>98000842>Maybe. But I'm not fishfag and I don't plan to start sucking lead painted cocks at a professional level any time soon either.You do you. If I ever catch him off-side I'll act very differently.
>>98000842>I think that's fundamentally where we disagree.No, that's where you are fundamentally a shithead.You've gone on a several day trolling/flooding bender because you can't handle the idea of "People have different ideas about OSR games" and you need to try and force people to see things your way, up to and including lying about what games provide players with agency and how they do so. You can fuck off back to the /osrg/. You got your hugbox, now you have to live in it.Jesus christ, you're at the point where you're so desperate to have an actual discussion about the merits of sandbox play with real people, so you're bowing your head in the threads you've been trying to kill for days.
>>98000842Well i feel like you can still have an overarching story and the player freedom you describe but i think the absolute freedom you want would put to much strain on the dm if the player just went "fuck it, lets see how far we can go west" kind of freedom. it comes off as the players are treating it like a video game to me.But i guess i should also gatekeep those kind of players out of games too.anyway that's my perspective on it. i think the dm being able to use some restrictions is good and thank you for being much more reasonable then that stupid railroad thread.
>>98000842NTA you were talking to, but I often get called your boogieman for pointing out 2e is OSR.The issue is to you OSR only means a very set type of 1E play, but that OS not OSR. The OSR movement was always everything pre 3e as it was not a single group. Hell even dragonfoot started letting in 2e as the OSR movement was forming.There is also not one OSR playstyle, there are a few.
>>98000884>The OSR movement was always everything pre 3eFalse
>>98000850>Fuck off with that bullshit.>>98000876>No, that's where you are fundamentally a shithead.Look do you want to solve this disagreement or do you just want to be mad from here to judgement day?If you do then I'm at least going to live with this retardation knowing I tried to make good with you.>>98000878See, I don't even want absolute freedom. I think a framework type model works well.DM creates the world, it can easily be a confined world, then players live in it.Think of a game like Avernum. You can't go everywhere in the world, you can't go to the surface even for example.But inside of those diegetic constraints you can choose to do anything that, realistically, a person could do in such a world.In fact, I'd say Avernum is a perfect example of a good OSR game.You have a big, overarching goal that's a product of your characters background. You have things you want to do long term that drive your characters forward.But the entire world is yours to reach those goals in.Also, cheers for being reasonable, I know it's not easy to put your head up over the top of the trench when both sides are dug in so hard.Thanks man.
>>98000876>so you're bowing your head in the threads you've been trying to kill for days.There's no point in bullying someone when they're surrendering. It's not gracious, and makes it harder for other people to surrerender.The whole basic problem with the current /osrg/ is that the BrOSR trolls, in BrOSR fashion, want to demand their limited ideas to be accepted as the default, because they think that if that's out of the way, they can have meaningful discussions built on that foundation. What they're ultimately going to realize is just that in order to keep the echo chamber going, they have to deny plenty of obvious truths, ignore simple solutions to problems baked into their limited ideology, and generally have meaningless discussions about insignificant details, if they have any real discussions at all.The most important discussions, the ones that the OSR has been tossing back and forth for years, really don't have a singular, concrete answer everyone can agree on. And, while most of the OSR has many developed a "live and let live" approach to these questions, the guys who can't handle differences in opinions and also can't come up with any good arguments for their own continue to try to just brute force impose their opinions in one way or another.
>>98000946Dude, you don't immediately deserve any politeness just because you're bowing your head. It's not even been half a day. You should, at minimum, accept that you've been a shithead.
>>98000890Why do you feel a need to lie about this? It's pretty easy to varify online
>>98000976Calling him a shithead is valid, but cool it with that "bowing your head" shit.
>>98000994>varifylearn to spell english you fucking retard
>>98000976>deserve any politeness just because you're bowing your headYeah? And neither do you, far as I'm concerned you've basically been screaming at the rest of us for at least the past 6 months about how we're all fuckers for not letting you jam the triangular peg into the circle hole.Now do you want to actually hash out our disagreement or do you want to go for the throat because I was big enough to show it when I found evidence that maybe some of you weren't our subhumanoid in residence?You want to treat me offering an olive branch as if I'm surrendering, be my guest.But don't go bitching and bloo-blooing over how unreasonable everyone else is when you end up with an asshole full of olives.
>>98000669>diswading Fishfag is an ESL subhuman
>>97999581Fake hillbilly fishfaggot
>>97999724Eat shit, newfag redditor.
>>98000117>being a new active posterI've been here twenty years, you shitstain newfag. Lurk moar before coming into my house.
>>97997470Eat my shit, newfag
>>97997805ACKS rapes 2e """d&d"""
>>97999947LIESthe emergence of the discussion in the OSR Thread is well documented by the link to the first post when it emergedYou osrg-pigs are the ones usurping it!
>>98001087>far as I'm concerned Which is pretty meaningless.You're still trying to combine many people into a single entity, where they all are supposed to answer for all of their worst posts while you ignore all of their best ones.You also think you're objectively correct, and refuse even to consider that your opinions are actually on the extreme side of things, and are even naturally unpopular because of how extreme they are.There's even people who might agree with 90% of your ideology, but have to disagree with all of it because of your all-or-nothing attitude along with your general being sort of a giant piece of shit.A nice, civil discussion where you explain your stance, hear thoughtful counterarguments that make you consider end evolve it, and have people weigh your ideas on their merits might be something you want, but it's not really anything you deserve. You've already been shown GREAT charity here, and I'm actually amazed by the kindness of people.
>>98000820Boohoo faggot. Don't like our club? Then don't come inside. Stupid fuck.
>>98001314>ideologyFishfag keeps trying to use "fancy" words without really understanding what they mean.
>>98001087>letting you jam the triangular peg into the circle hole.Your analogy is pretty off. You're trying to stop people from putting round pegs in round holes and telling them that their round pegs are actually triangles.Also, I have a feeling this will trigger the fuck out of you.https://www.tiktok.com/@brock1137/video/6912243945200225542
>>98001472>fishfag the 2etard unironically linking to a tiktok videoYikes.
>>98001324IronicWell we don't, you faggotNTA but I literally have osrg hidden
>>98001523Cool, sounds like you can stop crying at any time then
>>98000817>it's all fakeWhat a strange thing to say all the sudden mr. pass userA strange thing to say indeed
>ITT: the difference between benevolent and malevolenceBenevolence is willing to believe the best in others, that maybe any disagreement is just a misunderstanding that can be overcome, it is willing to give others a chance, it is kindMalevolence tries to get the first chap in a headlock so he can punch him in the kidneys because he doesn't care about whose right or wrong, he cares about winning and stopping him from doing so just brings out cruelty, not self-reflection.Oh and of course>Can you really just not have a /2eg/?Still no answer for this from you fuckers, is there?
>>98001472>tiktokKill yourself, castrated faggot
>>98001523>Well we don'tOnly after you got BTFOed by the jannies a few hundred times. You'd be there right now if you could.
>>98001548>Still no answer for this from you fuckers, is there?Don't expect one. Smelly nerds have no muscles, no, balls and no integrity. They fight like little girls and they argue like little girls.
>>98001564No, it's because you are fucking retarded and you have nothing but retarded takes on everything and I learn nothing but just get irritated by all the retardness going on in your thread
>>98001582>I got bullied out of your thread.Another BrOSR victory.
>>98001548>Can you really just not have a /2eg/?That's not what this thread is about, but I personally could consider todd if you rename your echochamber as fddd, first decade d&d and stop trying to talk for the entire OSR communityA healthy compromise if you ask me
>>98001592You don't get to come into a space that has existed for almost twenty years and dictate rules, fishfag. Fuck off back to tiktok, plebbit, and rpgnet.
>>98001592You can't compromise with these trolls
>>98001601No, but you can get gang raped by us non-stop until you like it and beg us to make you our bitch, bitch.
>>98001548>Still no answer for this from you fuckers, is there?You got your answer a hundred times already.The /osrg/, even with all the OSR games included, is a slow thread. Taking any single individual game, and forcing it into its own general, is making a thread that's likely too slow to survive naturally.More importantly, your definition of what OSR means is continually challenged. You are free to limit yourself to your own personal definition, but you shouldn't try to impose that limit on other people, especially considering that your opinion has been demonstrated to be built on a series of exaggerations which is why the majority of the OSR community rejects it.2e being part of the OSR and part of OSR discussion is pretty natural. Its material is largely compatible with other OSR systems, it has material directly connected to modules and adventures and settings that began in 1e, and frankly, its playstyle is still very much "old school" up until you go out of your way to try and define "old school" as "exaggerating the differences between 1e and 2e and putting those differences on a pedestal."
>>980016001) osrg doesn't go back 20 years2) that's what you did thoughOk how about returning to 2016 simple OP and discussion on OSR sphere in its entirety as was the case a decade ago?
>>98001602>we are totally raping those bitches!>our asses hurt a bit, but that's a small price to pay for raping these bitches!Sure thing
>>98001606>>98001614Eat my shit, fishfag
If the osrg trolls would just stay in the osrg that would be great. But they can't stop themselves.
>>98001614Why would we want to return to an inaccurate and sloppy OP created at the very start of osrg that was almost immediately replaced through the will of its members and whose only alterations were to reinforce the meaning as time goes by? Because you, the person no one in /osrg wants there, who doesn't play games, and who has a false alt-history of the OSR they want to push, insists otherwise? You're a fucking idiot.>>98001632As long as you continue making hijack threads, you'll continue to face pushback from it. This is basic cause and effect.
>>98001614>osrg doesn't go back 20 yearsSo you don't know what "almost" means either, you fucking retard.>Ok how about returning to 2016 simple OPYou started posting on /osrg/ in 2024. You don't get to show up 12 years later and demand retroactive changes.Go back to plebbit and rpg.net, troon lover.
>>98001632The BrOSR post in all OSR threads and you're our bitch.
>>98001657This isn't my thread troll. But you don't welcome OSR talk in the osrg. Do it's not hijacking shit
>>98001620>fishfag trying the "no u" comeback once againYou're too stupid to even come up with your own insults, you literal subhuman.
>>98001694>Do it's not hijacking shitLearn to write in proper English you self-admitted dyslexic retard.
>>980016942e is not welcome in /osrg/, that is correct you ESL retard
>>98001657>that was almost immediately replacedIt remained the same for quite some time, and when it was replaced to include that weird "first decade" line it wasn't really given much thought or discussion and pretty much just ignored, partly because it read like some sort of advertisement and most people naturally ignore ads.It's only recently that someone attempted to argue that the /osrg/ is not actually simply an OSR general, but instead its own unique entity, and that the OP text is what defines what can be discussed in the thread. And, it was only very recently, after it was correctly argued that the original OP text did not in any way prohibit 2e, NSR, etc. discussion, that a contested effort was made to change the OP text to explicitly omit them and change it from being a true OSR general to whatever it is now.>Because you, the person no one in /osrg wants thereNTA, but it's incredibly ironic that you're trying to tell anyone who people want somewhere when you're in a thread made pretty specifically to avoid you. You have your hugbox, and even you'd rather be here than there.No one wants to be in your /osrg/.
>>98001735>fishfag tells the same schizo story for the hundredth time, acting like he were there at the time.
>>98001808You're still here?You don't have to take my word for it. The archive exists to confirm it. And it seems like you will continue to try to simultaneously insist that it's only one person that disagrees with you, while showing everyone that you consider that single person to be such a charismatic threat that even when you have your own hugbox you'd rather spend all your waking time in their thread.This fishfag of yours is quite the fellow.
>>98001735>No one wants to be in your /osrg/.Cool then you should be able to stop crying about it at any point, right?
>>98001834You were not here at the time. Stop making shit up.>hugbox Ironic, coming from someone who's a fan of "safe spaces" like reddit and rpg.net.
>>98001734Which is why I do not go into your safe space. But that is why OSR threads outside your echo chambers exist.
>>98000216>People care way more about the quality of a game vs. if they recognize the name of who made it.Which is why nobody plays 2e, KEK
>>98001850What's your concern? That OP laments the loss of a once great general?Is he the fishfag you're so scared of?Seriously though, no one is bothering your /osrg/. You can do whatever you want in that thread, even build up more of that fishfag mythology you're so keen on.You've delivered some several hundred posts now about how totally not obsessed you are about your arch-nemesis and his lonely thread that is certainly doomed, I think you've definitely convinced everyone by now.
>>98001906You forget it was across at lest 4 threads this week
The copycat thread has reached bump limit in less than 24 hours.Another BrOSR triumph.
>>98001933Cry harder, bitch
>>98001657>hijack threadsIt looks like you don't know what the words you use mean
>>98001933My prediction is he dies after just a full week of these threads. It'll be a little sad, because a person dying from shitposting themselves to death is tragically pathetic, but I don't think anyone is going to cry over him. I definitely don't expect him to last a month or longer.And, we'll have OSR threads with actual OSR discussion again.
>>98002010Well, fishfag has kept this up for years. So no real reason to think the reaction will be any less autistic.
>>98000669lmao they're decalfag.
>>98002088You're STILL here? Is it suicide? Are you trying to deliberately kill yourself? By shitposting yourself to death?Call a number. You need help.
>>98001906Nah bitch, WE are bothering YOU
>>98002147But I'm not bothered. See you next thread.
>>98002169Too bad you are too stupid to be able to even read your own posts and whatever thread you're in since you have no brains
>>98000669I hope you've realized at this point that Fishfag is insane and not worth trying to meet halfway. His deranged hate-screed about ACKS, his demented clinging to his false history of the OSR which he MUST on some level know is horseshit since he made it up himself, these are not the behavior of a sensible person.
>>98001606Good post anon.
>>98001314>-y-y-you have to compromise!>because you have all the cards including the truth and I have nothingLMAAAAAAOOOOOO
>>98002408Good post, Anon.
>>98002483Very good post, Anon.
>>98001606>Taking any single individual game, and forcing it into its own general, is making a thread that's likely too slow to survive naturally.Not our problem.>2e being part of the OSR and part of OSR discussion is pretty natural. Wrong.
>>98002658>Not our problem.Agreed; I've noticed that most of his arguments are really just about his own convenience and comfort, they don't address any objective circumstance. (And, I mean, his made-up revisionist history of the OSR is clearly just made up to force his own preference, so even though it's technically an argument about something else...)
Is anyone else going to the NTRPG CON this year?It's one of the biggest old school gaming focused cons. Just tons of old school (pre-2000 according to them) D&D.
>>98001657>an inaccurate and sloppy OP created at the very start of osrg that was almost immediately replacedkek>almost immediately replacedkekekekekA while ago I had a look at all /osrg/ OSR General threads 2014 to 2019. I'm going to focus on 2019 here for a reason. It's not the start of /osrg/ but it's an interesting year. Even if the earlier OP were an inaccurate and sloppy OP which was almost immediately replaced--which it wasn't--that purported--but not actual--replacement must have itself been replaced for most of 2019 by one like that called, wrongly, sloppy and inaccurate.There were 207 threads with an /osrg/ subject in 2019118 of those explicitly say TSR D&D, TSR-era D&D in the opening post without any effort to exclude 2eThere were sporadic attempts to add "first decade". Here are the monthly counts for that.Dec: 8Jun: 4May: 1Apr: 6Mar: 3Total: 22>b-b-b-but that just proves 2e wasn't welcomeNo, it proves that someone tried to change OP but it was repeatedly rejected, better than 9 to 1.For some stupid reason that first effort in March came several hours after there already was an /osrg/ thread. There were 10 threads in between the second and the third efforts in March. In April there were two threads that said "pre-2e" but that didn't last as those were the only two that said that all year--and people talked about 2e regardless. In contrast, in September 2e was on the approved list."First decade" got BTFO.The reason I focussed on 2019 in this post is that I had already looked at 2014, when /osrg/ started, through 2018. There was an extreme lack of "first decade" and an abundance of TSR-era and pre-WOTC in that time frame.That extreme lack of "first decade" is in fact a total lack. Not even one.In 2014 through 2018 the only, I mean only, opening post containing "first decade" in the whole /tg/ archive is a 40k fluff post from 2015."First decade" is a 2019 invention, and even then it was repeatedly rejected.
>>98002753They got real quiet.
hi anons, ages ago i saw an AD&D 1e chart for Surprise that compared each pip on the die as percentages and now i can't for the life of me find it anywherewould any anons happen to have it lying around? i'm retouching my DM screen for my next campaign
While reading OSR blogs I remember one had a specific "cinematic combat system" which used the fight with Lurtz the orc from LotR as its example. Ever since then I couldn't find it again. Anybody know what blogpost I'm talking about?
>>98002727Facts don't matter to the trolls
>>98002927Are you lost? you're asking on a troll that is used only by a literal clinical autist and everybody else to mock him for being a nogames. Nobody who actually plays is likely to answer your question.The real /osrg/ thread is here:>>97958153>>97958153>>97958153
>>98002753>A while ago I had a look at all /osrg/ OSR General threads 2014 to 2019.Holy mother of literal clinical autism.Specifying "first decade" was never necessary, strictly speaking, since that's already what OSR means. What happened is that as the years went by, more and more tourists from plebbit showed up thinking that OSR is a game that identifies as OSR.So making it explicit in the OP was a useful way to avoid wasting time on retards such as yourself.Then you came along around 2024, with your autistic fixation, and haven't been able to give up since.
>>98002753>people talked about 2e regardlessYes, to reply to tourists to say it's off-topic dogshit.
>>98003219I even told you when ti was posted but you're too stupid and lazy to even bother looking it up. Zero instances of anyone saying "off topic" in that thread.>>98003214>that's already what OSR meansBut it wasn't and it isn't and you're just butthurt that it still doesn't.>Then you came along around 2024The "there's only one guy" argument is so trite, just like the rest of your post.
>>98003335Nah, Anon's right and thats your insoluble problem. The OSR was always and only about reviving the original play style of D&D as intended and played by the game's creators. The rest is a fable that you made up in your own mind, which is why you keep getting nowhere with these retarded trolling attempts. You can discuss 2e all you want, just don't call it old-school or mix in your bizarre fabricated alt-history or you'll inevitably get pushback from actual OSR players. The /osrg/ has been the same basically since it was created.
>>98003335>But it wasn't and it isn'tWrong
>>98003335>>Then you came along around 2024>The "there's only one guy" argumentNo, the argument is that (You) came around in 2024, and you don't get to change a general's topic just because you have an autistic fixation about it.>B-but I'm more than one person!Sure, and none of your alter egos posted before 2024. So shut the fuck up and make your own general with a different name.
>>98003803This isn't your private blog sonIf you are going to say a tuna sandwich has no place in a sandwich general because you personally don't like it as you were anally raped by a tuna or something everyone has a right to call you out on your bullshit
>>98003825So you admit you came around in 2024.Another BrOSR victory.
>>98003689Wrong.>>98003786Wrong.>>98003803Wrong.You're the flerfers of the gaming world. All your silly little claims have been proven wrong over and over and over again but you keep on going with the same tired arguments. ::yawn::>>98003825kek, a little graphic but still well put Anon.
>>98003910>just says "wrong">thinks this proves someone wrongThe level of brains I'd expect, 2efag.
Last for 2e is not OSR.
