Previous: >>97992728Poole's Closed! edition>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolas>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolas>Did this happen?https://files.catbox.moe/ika7gh.gifhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4SEDzynMiQ&t=44s [Open] [Open] [Open]https://files.catbox.moe/t0zq17.jpg>Why is mono green so boring?https://files.catbox.moe/2x8qly.jpg>Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)https://files.catbox.moe/8a43jw.jpg>tqDo you like that mtg now has generally high quality but homogeneous art? Or do you prefer old magic where art could vary wildly?
>>97997550>gay bolas twice in the opyou absolute mad lad
>>97997550TQ: I actually like the current variety of regular cards and alt art
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
Nun thread poster here, didn't intend to dupe the thread we must have just been working on these at about the same time. I didn't mean to cause any strife in the community.
Got one these laying around. What do?
>>97997645desu you could've just left it up and let the community decide which one they were going to use by which one became more active but the problem is generals in general are gay and annoying and having a bunch up at the same time makes the place look like shit. also why bakes should be left until we are at page 9/thread limit but unfortunately a certain group has a bug up their bum about the general so we have to deal with rushed bakes now or really bad threadsanyways have a good one friend
>>97997550Hey OP in the future could you replace the Gay Bolas link with this or at the very least add it to give more context to why it's in the OP in the first place?https://files.catbox.moe/823tpq.png
>>97997695I didn't delete it, I think jannies just got rid of the one that was younger which is fair practice
>TQMost old magic art sucked, and the sanitized globohomo art sucks. Mirrodin block to khans block was peak magic art. Looked good, a lot of interesting pieces.
>>97997688Find a blue+ commander with a tap ability? Kinda obvious.
>>97997688Send it to me
>>97997550>look mom I defaced the OP with gay zoophile porn again xDDDDDSpam thread, shan't use.
>>97997734Ok, bye
>>97997715I shudder to think what you'd get in the mail if you posted your address on here.
>>97997712Agree with this. This artstyle makes me feel the way I feel about early YGO art. A little harsh and ugly perhaps, but stylistically and purposefully so. Really gets across the feeling of darker fantasy and that this game's conflicts are driven by gross monsters and awful people doing heinous things.
>>97997742Nothing good or safe, that's for sure. I was already mildly embarrassed when my mother opened a gift sent to me the other day lmaoBack on the subject of mail, I ordered the Kaladesh Extraplanar Lens, gonna slot it into Konrad when it arrives. I really want Konrad to be fun, so I'm really hoping it is.
Who /smug/ here?
>>97997742>>97997804The last time I got doxxed on this site for tripfagging, the anon who did it to me turned out to be a 15 year old black girl. She'd call every once in a while just to have me on speakerphone with her friends, and I wasn't really in a position to say no. Shit was wild.Pretty sure she's married with kids now.
>>97997981tdhbtw
>>97998074What would I gain from lying about this?
>>97997611love this goofy ah ninja
>>97997576>Old magic when people were more normalThis is probably the biggest self-report ever that you weren't playing Magic during that era.Magic players were notoriously the most dysfunctional playerbase on the planet. Granted what we have now is a different type of dogshit, but it was not anything even close to "more normal". It was a game where 90% of the playerbase was the worst person you know at the current LGS.
>>97997874smaug?
>>97998159this but 40k
>>97998172It used to be both, MtG has chilled out a lot.40k chilled out a bit too, but with the added weirdness of 2/3rds the playerbase transitioning.I don't mind it because now they bathe at least.
>>97997550>tqI like the middle years of magic, before the new retarded border changes, and before character designs for the 'modern audience'. Old old borders and art were roo mismatches and/or rough.
>>97998214I know it's tough for you being 14 and all but it genuinely was worse back then.
>>97998188yeah this is when I started. 2010-2011. all the cards though from 10th edition (2007ish I think? ) up to return to ravnica are pretty good. I didnt like Theros or Born of the Gods but OG Ixalan was dope. forget when they modified the border again but it was 10 years ago or so. and now every card has a borderless version and feels like a weird matte fake card
>>97998233You'll eventually become an adult and realize you're whining about pointless shit.
>>97998214holy zoomzoom
>>97998214Yeah they were lil bud.
ban sol ringban rhystic studyban tutors
>>97998277yas kween, starting with this tutor!
>>97998282Did I fucking stutter? That is a tutor yes. Fucking ban it.
>>97998422the 90s was well after deinstitutionalization you retard
>>97997550>OjanenDidn't know they had Finnish cat-men back in the day
>>97998454>If you're not going to bomb people over the issue you're not allowed to talk about itYou get lost on the way to /pol/ glownigger?
I like magic the gathering
>>97998515So are you a furry or a tranny?
>>97998516Neither I'm just retarded
>>97998515Okay but more importantly what are your views on the same political topics /pol/ has been whining about for 20 years?
>>97998512Your words are as hollow as your actions.
>>97998214>>97997734I started playing mtg as a kid at the ass end of the 90s and at my local lgs there was a small group of full on satanic metal heads who openly joked about things like raping girls (as in children) and saying extremely gay shit like whoever lost the game had to get ass raped or go say racist things at the local blacks until they got beat up. The owner only banned them after the mayor+city council caught wind of the weirdos at the store and threatened him to clean up his act or get shut down.There's a reason why jocks were stuffing nerds into lockers back in the day. There was zero point in time where the majority of nerds were normal or pleasant or looked like they didn't belong in a sex offender registry. You're just a revisionist newfag poltard who wasn't there.
>>97998553Way to admit your dad kicked your ass, bro. You got beat up and you're insecure about it don't make it our problem.
I want a commander and playstyle that feels mecha rather than just has mecha artWhat the FUCK does MtG have>You activate a creature with another creatureWEAK
>>97998581Equipment voltron
>>97998581Either Rule 0 this shit or deal with having it in the 99.I have a Bracket 2 deck idea kicking in the back of my head that is just 'mecha' but I still haven't found a good enough pilot to keep it from being "Shorikai deck, but bad."
>>97998422>>97998454>>97998464>>97998488Disco Elysium-ass interaction
>>97998598>Rule 0Anon it's legal now.
>>97998598Holy shit if someone showed up with that art and asked for Rule 0 I'm saying yes on the spot. I don't care how sweaty their deck is I wanna see this pop the fuck off
>>97998598This is the coolest piece of shit card ever
>>97998618No it isn't.
>>97998639looks B2 to me. What makes it B1?
>>97998553So the real question is: you are clearly a far right wing chud, or trying to portray yourself as one. Why are you chronically posting off topic political nonsense in a thread discussing a game created by far left wingers whose playerbase is overwhelmingly moderate to far left leaning? Every single thread you're screeching about furries this and transexuals that and muh degeneracy - while playing a game made by and mostly played by people who are as opposed to your point of view as one can possibly get. You're giving money to a company that releases lgbt centered cards like Pride Across The Multiverse lair. What is your end goal wasting YOUR time spending literal hours everyday whining to people who don't like you at best and hate you at worst?Are you genuinely retarded or just trolling?
>>97998598>sends your zoid to the moon to go chill with Rita and Zeddnothing personnel
>>97998644903.3. Each deck has a legendary card designated as its commander. That card must be either (a) a creature card, (b) a Vehicle card, or (c) a Spacecraft card with one or more power/toughness boxes. This designation is not a characteristic of the object represented by the card; rather, it is an attribute of the card itself. The card retains this designation even when it changes zones.
Ended up watching this video (more accurately, ripping the transcript of the video and reading it so I wouldn't give it watch engagement metrics).Genuinely was worse than I was expecting. Did absolutely nothing to address the elephant in the room on playing big bombs that serve the same purpose. Yes it can be stupid if the game randomly ends because someone did the Blood/Bond combo but you're not exactly putting in more "effort" when casting Insurrection or Breach the Multiverse.3/10 didn't even try.
>>97998644I didn't notice it wasn't legendary.
>>97998618Vehicles are allowed to be commanders but they still need to be legendary.
>>97998669Why the fuck is the token the core makes legendary if the core isn't?
>>97998666So you're underage/trolling, got it.
>>97998673That's why I picked the Blood/Bond combo as the example. Because it usually has about the same landing timeframe as the big bombs. Isochron Scepter ending the game on turn 3 is a different discussion that ironically he didn't even approach, which is another reason I felt the video was so weak because he didn't even do decent work to support his own argument, let alone explore counterpoints.
>>97998673>bracket shitshant be reading nor using
TOOT TOOTThe only based Vehicle Commander coming through.
Have dinos replaced hydras officially as iconic or are we just on 8 years coping streak pretending that they didn't despite getting way more support?
>>97998667I think there is a slight difference depending on whether or not a combo is deterministically game ending or not. Winning by infinite damage or producing infinite attacking creatures or infinite mill or so on has no engagement with the board once assembled beyond the application of counterspells or removal. Combos that deal a finite amount of damage can have that damage altered or mitigated, or may require setup to reach lethal for more than one player.I put Bolas' Citadel in my Y'shtola, Nights Blessed deck because I pulled it at a limited event; in combination with Delney and a deck of mostly 3-cost instants, it effectively reads in that scenario "you may cast spells from the top of your deck without paying their mana costs, deal four damage to each player and gain one life". That generally ends games, but I still have to be doing a number of interact-able game actions to close the win, and things like lands on the top or lacking valid targets can slow or stall out the combo. Is it more work than Blood/Bond? Not really no, but its ending the game as an active participant rather than like winning a hand by showing off a royal flush or exodia.Even for my mill deck I took out the superman/paradise-mantle twiddle combo that let me mill everybody out in a loop; I still have "mill half" cards, but they're expensive and I need to get two of them on the stack (or one and a copy) to knock anybody out with them. Even when I can delete someone's cards with something like trepanation blade with mindskinner and water crystal out, it's not a sure thing until it is, and that keeps things a bit fresher.
>>97998702I don't view dinos as green. I can't even think of many good green dinos. They're often red or multicolor.
>>97998701Theory and practice are two separate matters. I have a deck that off one card resolution will be able to deterministically deal over 300 damage at once. For all practical purposes, this is an infinite damage combo even if someone could theoretically gain enough life to survive it.This is also when you can start getting into how Silence-type effects can shut down interaction from opponents that might theoretically exist. There's a reason Voice of Victory is generally better than Hexing Squelcher.Maybe I'm just jaded from experience, but I see no difference between "I played big bomb and won because it made tons of value" and "I played combo and won because it made infinite value". The details are only in how difficult it is to assemble and resolve.
>>97998695Someone on the design team clearly loves dinosaurs so there is that factor but really it's more of a power creep issue. Pound for pound dinos are a newer tribe with a lot newer cards and in general cards made after 2020 are significantly more powerful than older ones.
>>97998702Dinosaurs are naya.Dragons are wurbg.
>>97998694I will always chuckle at people realizing how fucking broken it is, but only *after* it was decided it could be a commander
>>97998709>I can't even think of many good green dinosboth flavours of ghalta that are stocked with reprints as THE green creature really in newcommer's mind>>97998718most things you could technically forcefeed into 5c slop, even the allegedly colorless eldrazi but from Shivan Dragon through Rorix Bladewing to Lathiss dragons are red when distilling into a single color
>>97998733Ghalta 1 and 2 are the only ones I can think of.Etali see's more play than either.
>>97998646You begging your opponents not to remove your commander in the process of combining
>>97998713If you hold that there is no difference between an infinite combo and a game-winning combo and both are equally undesirable; it would only be consistent to decry other cards that behave in that fashion as well. At the expense of being reductive; almost every win-condition in Commander is explosive by nature of a multiplayer fomat; slow-grind and burn strategies cannot generally afford to coast through the last of your opponent's life; it is generally an accelerating gameplan or one that puts targets into striking distance to finish them off. So too are alternate win-conditions explosive, based on accumulation of resources or of a specific board state, because no one will willingly let you create your tenth treasure token for Revel in Riches any more than they'll willingly take on a tenth poison counter.Put differently: How else are players meant to end games and win in late game when mana is plentiful and board states are developed unless they're executing some manner of gambit or plan? Even combat-matters decks don't tend to run the efficient creature-math of regular aggro and tempo games of other formats, they winnow down opponents until the final blow can be struck unanswered or unexpected.The difference then I see as important is that for any non-infinite combo, the blow must be decisive and risked. The threat assumed by assembling infinite, which is not any different than threatening enough combat damage or tipping your hand to a win-con, is not matched by the reward which is total.
>>97998750>You begging your opponents not to remove your commanderThis is like 90+% of decks out there, anon.
>>97998695Iconic just means the type is restricted to Mythic unless the set is special. This means they don't consider dinosaurs Iconic since they show up at lower rarities often. Hydras and Sphinx are just unpopular.
>>97998945Looking through the cards Avatar or Wurm are the most likely to replace Hydra.
>>97998945Sphinxes are popular with me.
We are barely out of Secrets of Strixhaven and already the People are clamoring, "Return to Strixhaven!"
Do i cut Cut a Deal or Wojek Investigator for Joined Researchers in my Mono White deck?
>>97998951>WurmThat would be hilarious because Wurms were the iconic Green monster before Hydras replaced them.
>>97999047>WojekGod I have such massive fucking brainrot I thought you were doing a bad "wojak" joke. Also cut Cut a Deal so you can target the least-dangerous player. I've never liked helping people who are already clearly in the lead
>>97997550>people used to spend 7 mana on a vanilla 5/5
>>97999108Ah yes, Magic as god intended. None of those powercreep bullshit 2 mana 7/7 trample with both EtB+death triggers that goes infinite with a fucking ham sandwich
>>97998675Probably so that you don't double/copy/clone it and get more value than intended out of a single-use card
Is there any value in trying to clean cards, or should I just not do it to avoid the chance of ruining the card further? A friend sold me this grungy as fuck looking Replenish for cheap, but it's pretty dirty with mud or whatever that is.
>>97999127don't forget cascade variant
>>97999138Cleaning it might damage it further, but it might be a moot point.
>>97999138You will absolutely make it worse. Just enjoy the card for what it is
>wurmsThe only one that ever mattered to me.
>>97997550yeah i play counterfeit dualsyeah i pass them off as real for streetcredso what?
>>97997550>TQOld art had a specific feel to it, like an old painting. The new art looks too "clean" to me, likely due to digital art being a thing.
A curse upon ye, thread. I pay BBWR and cast Swordbro the Tripfag.Uncounterable and the entire thread becomes uninhabitable when he enters.
A boon upon ye, thread. I pay WWWW and cast Bolas the Gay One.Uncounterable and protects all Mother creatures from Nightbound creatures.
>>97999073It's ok anon you're not alone.
>>97999289I just want ONE version of Bolas that doesn't suck. Is that so much to ask for? How the fuck is every version of him ass, while all 3 Ugins are amazing?
>>97999384the flip one is great
>>97999388This, but unironically.
>>97999289I put on a tripcode like you asked last thread. Time for you to make good and do the same so I can filter you
>>97999262good morning to you, too, Anon lmaoalso why am i Mardu??>>97999448>Mono-Black Enjoyerholy based
>check for all of my knight cards >there's a ton of themTime to try and figure out what goes in the deckBlue sleeves are the ones already in
If I want to be a degenerate fuck with green, how would I go about doing it? Elf ball? Some sort of OOPS ALL LANDFALL deck?
>>97999573>thinks im gonna google all of those cardsDecklist or fuck off
>>97999576Why do you want to be a degenerate fuck playing a game that's supposed to be fun?
>>97998166This might be the first alt art I'm going to actually shell out for.This is so nice.
Henlo friends. I'm a noob to MtG, and I've been invited to a commander game later this week (I'll be borrowing a deck).I played a few games on MtG:A to familiarize myself with the basic rules, then was looking at some cards that can be commanders. I found myself dismayed to learn that putting your big, cool guy or win condition as your commander is a terrible move, and instead you should just put something consistently gives value and is cheap. Specifically, I was looking at this guy. He's super cool, very thematic, and feels like a commander. But if you made him your commander, it'd be a terrible deck, since you have no way to effectively cast him without paying the actual mana cost, or some additional extra mana to get him out of your commander zone.I really like the idea of commander, but it feels like the thematic aspects that make MtG attractive to me have sort of been sacrificed for the sake of competitiveness/powercreep. Are there any variants that somehow force the commander to be your win condition or coolest guy? Or perhaps where you can't win unless your commander did something important?If I'm missing a major point of how the game works or anything else please let me know too. I'm just sort of disappointed that the commander seems to be a consistency card rather than a theme dictating the rest of your deck.
>>97999585Meant to include it with the post, but here you gohttps://archidekt.com/decks/21487765/knights_honorthe entire goal is>play cool knights>hit people with cool knights >give cool knights fun keywords>no combo lines>no big splashy plays>just beating people to death with cool dudes/chicks in armor
>>97999637Here you go. The budget Vulvamoth.
>>97999648Isn't this still terrible as a commander though? Your best bet is to try to use him to get three cards by doing a damage to everyone, but compared to something like K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth he's just super limited, since that card can be used with your entire deck instead of just a few cards.
>>97999637>I found myself dismayed to learn that putting your big, cool guy or win condition as your commander is a terrible move, and instead you should just put something consistently gives value and is cheap.You can easily build a deck around Valgavoth, Terror Eater. The problem is actually just that you're going to get targeted because he's a big scary dude.You run cards like Command Beacon or Netherborn Altar to get him in your hand, then discard + reanimate him.
>>97999637Just do the big cool dude in your command zone, EDH is for fun, not for serious
>>97999673He is very strong as a commander
>>97999640>41 knights in the maybeboard1) You're a fucking retard for just being enchanted by a card having the creature type you like.2) I'll give you a few cuts and I will justify them for your low-IQ jeetbrain.>Paladin of PrahvFucking awful. Actually retarded. Forecast was a bad mechanic and a 6cmc 3/4 with meaninglessly unkeyworded Lifelink is garbage even if you reanimate it with your Commander.>Ihsan's ShadeCool. Old. Dogshit. 6 mana for a 5/5 with a single Protection keyword. In modern days, he'd need Haste, Trample, and Deathtouch to be considered worth 6 mana.>Sidar JabariA 4 mana 2/2 without an enters, exits, dies, or any kind of quality in-built ability. That should be good enough reason to ditch it.>Outrider of JhessReread above but even worse. A 4 drop 2/2 with Exalted. You are likely never going to be attacking with only one creature whenever possible, so that keyword would only be valuable on something extremely cheap and useful in its own right. This is not. Compare this to Order of Yawgmoth which has evasion and an actual interaction ability when it hits a player.>Knight of Sursi>Riftmarked KnightRetarded. Suspend is trash.>Cavalry Master>Zhalfirin Commander>Zhalfirin Crusader>Zhalfirin Knight>Teferi's Honor Guard>Knight of Valor>Femeref Knight>Knight of the MistsFlanking is an antiquated, terrible keyword and you're a fucking tard for trying to put it and support for it in. The only reason to run it is a creature that justifies itself otherwise like Fallen Askari or Benalish Cavalry due to being a 2/2 for 2 rather than for 4.Now fuck off for a while because I might lose my temper if you keep posting these massive maybeboards.
>>97999637if you want the "boss monster" feel check out Mishra claimed by Gix and find ways to reanimate the phyrexian dragon engine the turn you play him (with something like Unearth ironically, the card not mechanic)
Anyone with the Special guest/sliver overlord willing to divulge if the foil version looks good and if it warps much?
>>97999734A little aggressive, but I appreciate the input. Thanks! cut it almost in half
>>97999682I guess my point was more that Command Beacon/Netherborn Altar then discard/reanimate is worse than just not having him as your commander and using Demonic Tutor to grab him straight from your deck. Making him your commander seems to make the deck actively worse.>>97999721Why though?>>97999739Thanks for the recommendation, but I think you missed the point. My concern isn't with just my deck, but the format. Do other people not want the same thing? When I hear the name "Commander" I expect that's how everyone's deck will work. I was very shocked to find out it's a stupid way to play most of the time.
>>97999637>>97999648Feels like a missed opportunity that neither version has an ability to interact with horrors or to create horror tokens. The premise for the whole tribe in DSK is that these things are created from Valgavoth's daydreams, he spawns them just by letting his mind run. He doesn't use any of the set's signature mechanics either or engage with enchantments despite "enchantment matters" being the core design theme.
>>97999734Oh look this dude thinks hes the king of the thread
>>97999806They all decided to throw the chairs in the air at the same time in different directions. The horrors are engaging in coordinated chair throwing.
>>97999773Look. It's been a tough day and shit like this gets me heated because almost all tribal decks are wishful thinking coalesced into a pile of subpar cards. Bad creatures don't get better with support, they're just weak links and bad draws. Even if you've given all of your Knights +2/+2 from Marshal and Patchwork, a creature like Knight of Sursi ends up being a 4 drop 4/4 with Flying and Flanking when you could simply be using Order of Midnight and get a 2 drop 4/3 with Flying and potentially a recursion spell if needed.>>97999831Sword always asks for anons to talk him through/into cuts and adjustments to his decks. I wonder if it's autism or just part of the process to poll other edh players for their takes, but either way I can't stand 40+ card maybeboards.
>>97999790>but the formatthe format sadly just sped up because wizards could not contain themselves to not print more and more cards designed specifically for it pushing powercreep faster and faster, yes, having cheap value engine is better but also leads to people building decks that plain out don't work without them in field.Maybe not much of a consolation but in monoB at these points it would be better to let the commander hit the gy after dying once (likely to boardwipe) and just reanimating him. In "true" bracket 2 it should be feasible to cast him and that powerlevel is kinda apt for him>Why though?because mono black is probably the strongest mono color since it just often staples life cost to emulate other colors, has access to plenty mana accelerators to cast big dumb thing, and again, once it dies you can just reanimate it instead of forcing a recast from CZ. He's hard to snipe without boardwipe and not every archetype boardvomits enough to fulfill ward (same thing that enables the actually popular sauron) lets ignore voidrend and mistrise village. He's also a soft floodgate if resolved and any blue playing counterspells after he hits just gives you extra protection for him
>>97999842It's probably just a deliberate play for attention
>>97999860Thanks for the answer.Is there any push to make a new format? If I understand correctly, the point of the original EDH was to make something that felt very different from normal MtG, and pushed the "boss monster" feel of the dragon. For me, that's the primary attraction. If nobody else really feels that way, I guess I'm just not the audience. But I would've expected many others to feel similarly.
>>97999882preEDH is the closest that cuts off the cardpool to before new phyrexia and before wizards made ANY product for edh, probably some schizo is also playing some variant of pre-whatever point in time where they have rosetinnted glasses like pre-FIREdesign where it really started going to shit
>>97999831Hey I asked for it lmao>>97999842I usually try to maximize value per slot, such as with stuff like Guardian of Faith which is just a clever concealment but on a body in-tribe as opposed to just putting the spell in, I just get carried away easily by "oh look it's a cool [thing]!" lmao>I wonder if it's autism or just part of the process to poll other edh players for their takesMostly the second part, but I'm sure it comes across as the first part
>>97999595Because sometimes I just want to be a horrible person and run something more toxic than radioactive waste.
Does anyone play this in the 99? How is the card draw?
>>97998581you want a meld commander. try UW urza.
>>97998756That's the point I'm getting at. Every deck will need win conditions and there's not much of a line between "infinite combo" and "big bomb" on its own. All wincons, including combos, have varying levels of interaction. Ancient Copper Dragon generally needs to untap and make it to combat. Revel In Riches only needs to reach your upkeep. Insurrection demands an instant speed answer (usually a counterspell but more rarely a fog). Quips&Guac just wasn't giving careful thought to his argument, likely because, judging by how he builds his decks, he doesn't actually understand that even "value-focused" midrange decks generally understand where their curve toppers are and that once those stick they're generally aiming to close the game. The way he builds decks is generally composing them from cute, small value pieces that don't consistently build into anything.
>>97999806>horror tokensThose are just manifest tokens
