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>"Alright friends, be vigilant. It might be difficult, but we must find that Tzimisce lair...">Meanwhile, that Tzimisce lair:
>>98000020i need more coffee... at first i thought the tq was asking how far one would travel to gain info and that Tzimisce need not apply because of their clan weakness
Tzimisce Insectussy!
>>98000055>Becoming vampires (lost their avatars)Didn't matter, the Tremere became top dogs of the vampire world and btfo out of mages whenever they face them.>Diablerizing Saulot (failed)You mean the Tremere diablerized him successfully, until it was retconned by a shit writer.>Cursing the assamites (got shattered by giga-satan and now cannibal arabpires have it out for Tremeres specifically)Being capable of cursing an entire clan with a twitch of their pinky finger means the Tremere are weak or retarded?>Using Tzimisce blood (now they have Eldest giga-aids)Not a thing, retard.>Gargoyles (now every clan is waiting for them to slip up so they can have an excuse to murder them)Good thing the Tremere have never slipped up, you're defeating your own argument here.>Goratrix splintering off and the whole mess with his bodyswap means Sabbat gets magic and infernalism spreads anywhere an Inquisitor isn't directly looking at.All it takes is one Tremere elder to completely wreck the Sabbat? Score for the Tremere.All you're proving is that the Tremere continue to be the coolest and smartest splat in the game.
>>98000097Sounds like an interesting one shot.
Who is the most kawaii antediluvian and why is it tzimisce
>>98000197The problem is that the World of Darkness isn't nearly dark enough. The real world has none of the restrictions that fiction does. The average third world country is as terrifying as the World of Darkness.
>>98000225Then just incorporate the darkness of the real world into your World of Darkness. What's stopping you from doing that?
Welcome to the Fan Reboot of Darkness, a project wherein we reclaim our beloved game from the taint of Paradox.Thus far, we have paved the road to Hell with good intentions by making demons our foundation, followed closely by ghosts. We have moved the focus away vampires, werewolves, and magi in order to let the other monsters shine in this World of Darkness. There has been some discussion on consolidating Deviant: the Renegades and Promethean: the Created under a general "mad science" umbrella.To give our reboot some more personality, we have decided to include in-character descriptions of their powers. >>97995660 Let the brainstorming commence.
>>98000315>We have moved the focus away vampiresYou understand that this is doomed to fail, right? This is not the World of Darkness any more.
I wanna start playing V:TM but I've never succeeded in finding a hobby shop or group of friends who play regularly.Anywhere online I can look?I've never actually played it but I have TTRPG experience.I have a character idea but my idea is to go in Total Basic Bitch for my first few runs so I can get a feely-feel for everything.
>>98000186You gotta stop hanging out with the Cassandras, Merlin. Their derangements are starting to rub off on you.
>>98000366Join the official Discord server.Go to the game-finder channel and apply for any V20 game currently advertised there.Profit.
>>98000315
>>98000399>Oh, because I'm black and I'm Dracula, that makes me Blacula? My wife said "Don't go as Dracula," but I said, "Bernice, we live in the 21st century."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWcJ_XAuffEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-3YWDRPQQ4https://www.tumblr.com/communities/evil-science-centre/post/815786464533266432/the-engineers-i-keep-in-a-terrarium-are-hard-at?source=share
>>98000389Thanks for the tip, chief. I'll look into it.
>>98000315>Let the brainstorming commence.Well, what is our opinion on the existence of changelings, mummies, and sin-eaters? How many lines do we need? What makes this different from Curseborne?
I think it's a shame neither version of Changeling uses the original folklore concept. I can understand why they changed werewolves from the classic concept, because there's only so much you can do with the idea of turning into a big wolf once a month. But the idea of being a fey swapped with a human child at birth, growing up in a human family and then realizing your true heritage seems like a perfectly good basis for an RPG. The default plot hooks would be about getting entangled in the obligations and feuds of your family 'back home'. Like a 7-Eleven cashier discovering they are the heir to a fairy kingdom and also their uncle (a troll) wants them dead. I know that sounds like the premise of a faggy YA novel but we are talking about changeling here.
>>98000604To be fair, Lost uses some of the original folklore concept... but doesn't call them Changelings, presumably because nWoD wanted to keep a sense of continuity by re-using the names of game lines. It is a bit irksome though. Fetches are the fake person that's swapped with the real person they kidnap, though it's not limited to actual babies. It's not quite the same as what you're talking about, though to be fair I've seen other bits of folklore that don't treat it as an out and out babyswap between humans and fae, but more like a freaky doppelganger kid. >I know that sounds like the premise of a faggy YA novel but we are talking about changeling here.I agree it's a good idea for a story/RPG, but I'm not sure if it'd be a good fit for WoD and either WoD's player base.
>>98000604>the idea of being a fey swapped with a human child at birth, growing up in a human family and then realizing your true heritage
>>98000604>>98000643It does sound like a faggy YA novel but those do sell pretty well. I'm also fairly certain that (at least with the original WoD run) they didn't want to copy folklore too blatantly. Even in Vampire they didn't really do it. We should blame Anne Rice for only getting horny for Vampires and very occasionally a werewolf or something
>>98000604https://britishfairies.wordpress.com/tag/changeling/https://sites.pitt.edu/~dash/changeling.htmlhttps://sites.pitt.edu/~dash/britchange.htmlhttps://sites.pitt.edu/~dash/gerchange.htmlhttps://sites.pitt.edu/~dash/scanchange.htmlhttps://britishmythology.substack.com/p/changeling-hell-the-fairy-map-that
>>98000315With the new focus on demons and ghosts, I think an idea I had for an alternative Mage game would fit in nicely>Mage: The Pact>Mages are humans who have gained power by making a deal with a supernatural entity>sort of a sidekick splat who gets their powers from one of the main monsters of the other gamelines, in addition to the traditional deals with demons, you could form compacts with the fae, chiminage with werewolf ancestor spirits, etc.>of course you don't get these powers for free, your patron expects something in return and if they don't get it they're going to send their minions after you to make sure they do>but that doesn't mean you have to stay a slave forever, as a Mage you'll use your wits and sorcery to amass knowledge and power until you can turn the tables on your former masters
>>98000020>Whats the furthest you were willing to go in order to obtain information from someone or vice versa?I played a Ventrue who, while not being particularly monstrous, had no real issue with torture provided the person being tortured was an enemy. However, being a Ventrue, the clan with access to two disciplines that can make people tell you their deepest darkest secrets with alarming ease, she rarely needed to use it. The one time she had to actually employ torture was against a Trujah (long story). It was effective, most torturers go overboard with it. You need to break down their confidence, then offer them a carrot before they get fatalistic. The pain's just a tool to get you there. As for vice versa, it was a VtM game, there was a long list of antagonists who would do unspeakable things to her and the rest of the coterie if they could, but fortunately never did. Much more recently, I've been playing an Ogre (CtL) crimefighter who ain't above a bit of torture, though he prefers the threat of torture to actually following through, he'll do it. His darkest moment was making a privateer ugly cry by explaining in exact detail how he was gonna kill her husband, then following through and making her look at his mangled corpse. In his defense, the husband was also involved in hunting people for sport, selling people into fairy slaves for profit, recreational torture, among other things.
>>980006650Supremely based and Genshinpilled.
>>98000315I made a joke post on this premise a while back. Everything is demons:>vampires are corpses possessed by demons>woofs are animals possessed by demons>mages are humans who bind and/or make contracts with demons>changelings are demon sleeper agents>hunters are humans>demons are demons
>>98000678 >>98000315>https://britishmythology.substack.com/p/changeling-hell-the-fairy-map-thatHow will we determine the population distribution of the various monsters? None of the previous editions have satisfied players. Either the numbers are too low which limits the sorts of interactions that can happen or the numbers are too high which strains credibility.And what about beings like Kuei-Jin, yōkai, and "culturally-specific" monsters?
>>98000724The thing is that you can make it work it just takes a lot of effort to make it feel less generic or you end up with Darksiders.
>>98000680This is kind of cool but it's a bit disconnected from the same fantasy Mage has in both WoD and CofD
>>98000724Why not just go ALL in on Demons instead?>Hunters are humans manipulated by demons (to take out rivals)>>98000768Technically, the horsemen aren't demons (they're Lilith's weird autistic kids), the angels aren't demons, there's a lot of weird races that aren't demons, and there's near-human races that aren't demons either (like the crowfather). Not like Darksiders lore will ever be finished since the game and the comics got mostly discontinues
Why the fuck are you guys reinventing Monte Cook's World of Darkness?
>>98000724Sounds a bit like Buffy, minus the mages. But Slayers also get their power from a demon.
>>98000774That's intentional, I feel like Ascension got it perfect right out the gate and any attempt to mimic it would just come off as second rate, so I went for a different direction entirely
>>98000803Ita funny how that does mirror a game mage killed.
>>98000787Because they're dumn-dumbs, clucking nonstop aboud demons this and demons that even though I'm willing to bet none of them even know what the word even means.
>>98000815First I've heard, care to elaborate?
>>98000821The game was called Sorcerer, by Ron Edwards. It was basically an underdeveloped version of mage where you got your powers from a supernatural patron of some kind. I honestly don't remember much about it.
>>98000744Don't give hard numbers, there'll always be a sperg that takes issue with whatever figure you give. Besides, it's not like anyone's running a supernatural census. >And what about beings like Kuei-Jin, yōkai, and "culturally-specific" monsters?I prefer the approach of having your primary universal monsters, and folklore being local interpretations and region-specific of said phenomenon. After all any setting with a Masquerade is predicated on the populace not having very good intel on the paranormal. Also, just from my personal reading, there's enough throughlines for certain types of monsters to make unified international templates out of them. They might be called different things, but most cultures have a hungry undead (vampire), or a type of being that comes in the night and harasses, rapes, or even kills a helpless victim. Animists tend to be on similar speeds when it comes to "taking on" the aspect of an animal, and that's actually different from the "mildly supernatural wild men" that exist in pretty much every culture. Also, in order to do the alternative justice, you'd need to do everyone's "culturally specific" monsters, and then we'd have like 200 different templates at absolute bare minimum.
>>98000604In the Ancient Magus Bride there's a Changeling who grew up with humans and became a doctor. Eventually they met the human that they replaced and married them. The human has become tainted with the fae energy and turned into some kind of elven dog centaur.
>>98000315>>98000680You know with the big focus on Demons and Ghosts, what if:>Demons feast on belief/suffering of humanity to get powerful>Demons can only feed on human souls>The afterlife used to be a hunting ground for demons until ghost civilisations formed in the underworld>Demons now have no choice but to form pacts with humans to recruit more soldiers. People willing to feed the innocents to the demons to save themselves>Since civilisations are reflective of the state of the living world, demons also wage a war on the skinland to cause as much dissaray as possible to send the ghost cities into chaos
>>98000061lol
>>98000931Shit, that's a pretty cool idea, actually. Though I think we'd need to flesh out demons some more to figure out how they can still be good enough guys to headline their own game while eating peoples souls personally I like the Devilman approach
>>98000966well my idea is rough, but if we keep the original pitch then it can go two ways if demons want to be heroes instead:1) Play a low power demon. The stronger you are, the more you need to feed. Like the equivalent of human in peak body shape.2) Feast occasionally and sparingly... or then again, you could target the humans who made infernal pacts.To keep going with >>98000931What if vampires were humans who made pacts so they could stay "alive"? Since the afterlife is the scariest end for any living being, many would do anything to not end up there. Their role used to be lording over human settlements and rot it from the inside.Feras on the other hand were the soldiers made to conquer settlements in the past and disrupt convoys and communications.
>>98000931>>98001014What would be the role of necromancers in this setting? Evil enslavers in the service of demons, or allies of the ghosts who support them in return for service in the living world?
>>98001014If we're going demon-centric I'd rather go even harder on the Thiess of Kaltenbrunn inspiration and have it that werewolves were made by "gaia" to hunt and kill demons with the twist being that "gaia" is actually an ancient and very powerful demon who was only interested in getting rid of the competition, but has been dead, or on the verge of death, so long that the werewolves have forgotten and glorified their origins>>98001067I don't see why both couldn't be a thing, necromancers would be Mages who've made pacts with either demons or ghosts
>>98000020>Whats the furthest you were willing to go in order to obtain information from someone or vice versa?Depends on who the person is. If it's just some person, I wouldn't push too hard even if it was critical information. I'd torture a vampire just to find out what time it was (well, at least in the chronical I'm playing in right now).
>>98001067Could be both honestlyThough on the evil side, imagine that you have a ghost regiment who marchin to get in position to defend against a wave of demonic creatures about to attack an undefended town that has just being ravaged in the real world. The psychi feedback could have it collapse between the very next minutes to in a couple of days, weeks, months or even years if you're extremely lucky.Then suddenly you cannot find your officer. Where has he gone in this crucial moment? There's an awkward silence before you hear the officer barking orders at you and your comrades. He is back. You are just a simple soldier, so you don't question his orders, but you can't help but wonder why he would demand you fortify points that hold less strategic value. You have no time to question. The demonic horde is coming.Minutes later, you are your men are defeated. Your incorporeal bodies torned apart by monsters, or dragged in chains to the infernal realms. Some of your battle brothers plead to be spared. Begging to join the demons. Before being dragged into a machine that will rip your soul to shred in excruiating agony, you see your officier standing alone. Untouched. Tears of impotent rage flowing down their cheeks. Then you finally percieved the almost invisible chains that binds him. A necromancer in the skinlands must have found his remains or one of his fetters. He forced your officier to betray you. Between animalistic fear and misplace rage towards your officer, you also have a tinge of pity right before the soul grinding machine's teeth sinks on you.Right now I'm in a WW1-WW2 mood after watching a Foxhole video. Necromancy is a fabulous tool for espionage and sabotage.>>98001085that works too
>>98000389Wait - am I retarded? Where is this official Discord? Is it on /tg/ somewhere?
>>98001249Literally just google "official World of Darkness Discord."
>>98001249Note that it is the OFFICIAL White Wolf owned server and it was a V5 centered thing until like last week.
>>98001290>>98001273Got it, thanks Chads.
>>98000892This is quite kinky. Is this a self-cest kink, TF, gayish, masturbatory, twincest, bestiality, or corruption?
Yep, the official server is how I joined the nazi game with Shark. Also did a chronicle as a Caitiff Hobo Batman.>>98001370Self-cest? Twincest? Masturbatory? Not sure but I tend towards no.TF, Corruption… I guess?Gayish? Well first it’s fae. Second, yeah the guy is a bit twinkish in appearance and attitudeBestiality? In the proper sense kinda? Since Fae and humans are different species… but the human was turned into a fae so I guess no?
>>98001412They honestly look identical though but I'll take your word for it
>>98001446Well I guess that the idea of replacing one child with another is that they should look identical for it to work? But they are husband and wife, and as far as I know there was no gender wizardry involved. Only perhaps glamour to make the parent truly believe that the child is theirs until they grow old enough.Here’s the couple at 1 min 30 sec, also beforehand Oberon and Titaniahttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oTMgXkYj3bg&pp=ygUZYW5jaWVudCBtYWd1cyBicmlkZSBmYWlyeQ%3D%3D&ra=m
>>98000680>>Mage: The PactAh, so what Dungeons and Dragons calls a "warlock".
>>98000880>Besides, it's not like anyone's running a supernatural census.Then how does the I.R.S. get their taxes?
>>98001594The Spirit of the IRS takes care of that.
>>98000931>>Demons now have no choice but to form pacts with humans to recruit more soldiers. People willing to feed the innocents to the demons to save themselvesI suspect that there would be such things as scapegoats and sin-eaters to take on other people's sins.
>>98001290> it was a V5 centered thing until like last week.what changed?
>>98000966>personally I like the Devilman approachI have yet to see that. Tell us everything.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOzPFfuTX5Y
>>98001622No idea but the fact that they are trying to mend the community after all the fuckery they did is hilarous.>Hey @everyone >It’s my pleasure to share that this server will undergo some structural changes as we listen to your feedback, the fans who make this server the great place it is. This means the server will undergo minor rule changes and major changes to the categories and channels.>We will move away from being a V5-specific server and broaden to be a more general World of Darkness product server to support your love for the various editions we’ve created over the decades. This will make the server a bit of a construction zone in the coming weeks as we figure out the best way to proceed, so please don’t be alarmed if you see some channels pop up and others be removed. This will be a work in progress, as we will do our best to land on a solution that suits as many people as possible without making the server too complicated for participation.>We are doing this to make room for more fans and to make moderation easier and clearer for everybody. We welcome feedback on this change in the - channel. The biggest change to the server will be the inclusion of more legacy edition channels and the removal of some off-topic channels.>Please be mindful of others during this change, be kind to each other and the moderator team, and remember to read the updated rules once they’re posted. This will be a multiple-step process, but we believe it will benefit everyone once we’re finished. We thank you for your understanding and hope you’re as excited as we are about the future of White Wolf!
>>98001622They allowed more discussion about the other game lines, giving them more channels and such.
>>98001662>>98001669Hopefully this means Paradox will actually attempt to fix or remake the aspects fans largely disagreed with in 5th edition. For all the faults of V and H5, I don't think they're irredeemable. W5 is probably best left in a dumpster though
>>98000575On that note, how many divisions of each do we need? I enjoyed the modularity of the Chronicles of Darkness, most having a 5 x 5 system. Also, I was impressed by the tier-system from Hunter: the Vigil. If possible, I'd like to keep this consistent across all the lines.
>>98001575Or Witch in Pathfinder. Though PF's version, as an Int caster, fits the Warlock's written concept of being a "seeker of hidden knowledge" better than the Cha caster of DnD.
>>98000774 >>98000680It works well enough for me. Both magi and priests deal with mystical entities and forces beyond mortal understanding.>>98000931>>The afterlife used to be a hunting ground for demons until ghost civilisations formed in the underworldThis leads us to the questions concerning "myths vs. facts" regarding each line and the overall setting. How much do we want to deviate from folklore, religion, and pop culture? How much do we want to deviate from previous iterations of the World of Darkness?
>>98000966>how they can still be good enough guys to headline their own game while eating peoples soulsI mean, vampires do the same thing, yet tons of goth chixxx want to be one.
Going back to Ancient Magus Bride, what’s interesting is that you have two kinds of magic users. Sorcerers, who pretty much follow the same path as WoD sorcerers and Fate Stay Night’s magi with their magecraft. And you have Mages who make pacts with the Fae. By doing so they have near unlimited resources and can live for centuries. Here’s two videos. One showing Titania (and Fae in general) having a resentment towards Christianity. The second is why you should never anger them.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp5pn1qZvcI&pp=ygUZYW5jaWVudCBtYWd1cyBicmlkZSBmYWlyeQ%3D%3D&ra=mhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PjqOJs985UU&ra=m
What's the most "Out there" Homebrew monster you've set against your Hunter group?
>>98001662i do love watching corporations backpaddle on their bullshit while pretending they did nothing wrong.
>>98001854>This leads us to the questions concerning "myths vs. facts" regarding each line and the overall setting. How much do we want to deviate from folklore, religion, and pop culture? How much do we want to deviate from previous iterations of the World of Darkness?I dunno desu. At this point I feel like what I put out is flat out reinventing the World of Darkness. I just took the idea of switching the main splats and recreating the series around them.For religions… what if some of the gods are demons? Like the original concept of earthbounds? The ghost governments working with them would consider feeding the gods to be a minor sacrifice while facing hordes of demons that wants nothing more than to torture you for eternity, or destroy your soul in a horrible manner to feed their own appetite.
>>98001662>to support your love for the various editions we’ve created over the decades.You mean the versions the guys at White Wolf, now Onyx Path made that you bought the rights to because you thought you'd be able to make a sequel to Bloodlines?
>>98000315>Let the brainstorming commence.Post every song, movie, book, picture, or inspiration for your ideal World of Darkness, so we can come to a tonal consensus.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBca33v8oGMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxZpEFJhO6khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRHVzbJVx8Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txlDoQ3SDq8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDykOevcIqUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp3BlFZWJNAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qxa91EwFco
>>98002040>from the creator's ofIn the modern feeling this is corpo speak for we bought the name and therefore get to pretend we made it. Same thing like when Bungie goes>From the legendary game developer that made HaloDespite maybe 5 people that matter actually staying over from the Halo days to when they made Destiny. This happens shockingly often
>>98002066OPP is at least still run by the Creative Director of White Wolf Magazine back before they became a game studio.
>>98001809>If possible, I'd like to keep this consistent across all the lines.Honestly, 2E breaking free of rigidly following Requiem's 5x5 system made most of the splats better.
>>98002079I was mainly speaking about Paradox here though, but I get your meaning. Sometimes it's true but I also don't think claims to fame have the same value the claimants usually think it does
>>98002109I never did try the second edition of the Chronicles of Darkness, though it was the main edition that everyone played of the Old World of Darkness. I am too cheap to buy what is essentially an errata.
>>98001703WoD5 is a game made for a specific audience where you expect to die at the end of the story but doesn't do enough to sell the idea for the people who don't have that mindset as the default. That and most of what it offers is best used in other versions of the game.
>>98002177Chronicles plays much smoother than WoD but most people have no reason to switch over because they are used to the core jank of the system. Think introducing people to shit like TF2.
>>98002177They expanded the use of Merits by a lot, the rules updates make the game smoother, and in the splats there's a lot of refining of how powers work and so on. Some splats with more drastic changes.
Which clan of Kindred has the most bubble butt muscle studs? I want to use Dominate on a alpha big booty jock so I can rail him senseless.
>>98002265Brujah
>>98001662It took Bloodlines 2 tanking and W5 and H5 being shit on for them to finally admit it. Kek. Now they just need to give us HtR20, and V30/V6 needs to start with an apology that walks back all 5th changes and acknowledges it as the Gas Leak edition it is.
Can a vampire use Animalism or Protean (or some other Discipline or combo I guess) to understand and use Garou howls?
>>98002281No. Why would it.
>>98002265In Requiem, Daeva and Nosferatu are the clans with Vigor as their cheaper physical discipline.So it'd be easy to have either an absolute Adonis or that Gym Bro who smells like cheese farts 24/7.
>>98000315demons are bad, mmk
>>98002281If you homebrew sure
>>98002030Honestly, I dislike how Wraith: the Oblivion handles the Underworld and its society. It feels too crowded, too complicated, and too much like the "real world". I vastly prefer how the Chronicles of Darkness handles the Underworld/Duat.The Underworld should feel like a Zdzisław Beksiński painting or "The Further" from Insidious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUKa1yCEkSA
>>98002281Isn't most of that stuff spiritual and not actually tied to being biologically a furry? That'd be pretty hard for (effectively) a soulless leech to emulate on a good day, let alone in combat.
How can I, an innocent and beautiful high humanity Toreador, make it work with my meathead himbo Garou bf? I think his tribe is getting suspicious.
>>98002340>too much like the real world>featuring an extremely dystopian government of effectively superhumans turning wasteful people into protein paste / soul cement to keep the underworld relatively stable>meanwhile everything is rundown, decayed, and angled weirdly>oh and there are ghostflesh-eating monsters prowling the streets and houses in generalI do understand it has to mirror the real world more because having an "RPG" involve practically only NPCs of the same type as you would make it feel too sparse though, but that's just the downside of setting a social/roleplay RPG in the underworld. If it was legitimately just horror and spooky shit it'd be a different type of RPG
>>98002361>Isn't most of that stuff spiritual and not actually tied to being biologically a furry?Not really, normal wolves can repeat the message just fine so you could just buy that as a language you can only use in animal form.
>>98002378>mathmouse is trying to calculate your anal circumference>please, stand by
>>98002384>>featuring an extremely dystopian government of effectively superhumans turning wasteful people into protein paste / soul cement to keep the underworld relatively stableAn average day in China or so /int/ would have us believe.
>>98002287Because Animalism is the "animal speech" discipline and Protean being the "animal transformation" discipline.You have stuff like Beckoning (Animalism 2) allowing you to summon wolves by howling like one, or Wolf's Lament (Animalism 1 Obfuscate 2, Guide to Low Clans) allowing you to make wolves transmit a message through howls that those with Animalism can understand (and a botch draws Lupine ire)
>Sombra ojou-sama>Brujah tomboy>Tremere fujo>Toreador TsunderePick your sire!
>>98002419Baali Kuudere
>>98002407And does it say Garou or werewolf or lupine in any part of that description? Garou can understand wolves, their language isn't wolfspeak, moron.
>>98002385I'd figure that's a propagation of the Garou's spiritual message via those shamanist things they do, but yeah maybe if you can protean yourself into a wolf and hear a Garou howl you might be able to mimic it. I don't personally think it should be easy if it can be or necessarily doable, otherwise every kindred capable of protean into a dog might be capable of it. Certainly interesting, you can imagine every wolf that hears it is like an amplifier or you can imagine it's like a code they pass on (like a language then). Cool idea, though it wouldn't require very high protean and maybe just a bit of animalism.
>>98002419>Tremere fujoBecause Tremere.
>>98002419Tzimisce Loli (actually a shota)>>98002393Maybe they're doing it normally? Probably not if a Toreador is involved
>>98002419>>Tremere fujoBiothaumaturgical research into mpreg?
>>98002384This is why earthly ties and the Skinlands should be prioritized, similar to how Changeling: the Lost and Geist: the Sin-Eaters try to keep the characters and players more grounded. Ghosts should be more preoccupied with haunting houses, stalking the living, and recovering from the trauma of dying. Basically, I want the baseline to be Ghost meets The Sixth Sense instead of a Tim Burton film.
>>98002424but can the baali kuudere be morally unfucked
>>98002468Why? That's the best part. That's like de-cheesing your grilled cheese, big dog. Just nonsensical. Goofy even
>>98002378We can help you with the aid of some advanced medical procedures. Some plastic surgery, pheromone glands and skincare products will go a long way. Of course, we'll need to put you to sleep before we can operate. Also, don't go cutting your stomach open, the result might be rather...explosive.
>>98002455Forbidden alchemical/vicissitude techniques to make some guys look androgynous/cuter. And to make others manlier, I suppose.
>>98002443>Maybe they're doing it normally?
>>98002435It is one of those things that could go either way but I don't think it is a big enough deal to put a high toll on getting.
>>98002378Maybe try to go for an animal only diet and set up to be woken up during the day regularly?It'll be miserable, but high Humanity (7+) should mean that Sense Wyrm doesn't trigger iirc, and high Humanity should also help you wake up during the day more easily and have a higher dicepool during the day.There'll still be issues, but regularly calling the bf during the day while avoiding spilling human blood that could be smelt would not hurt.
>>98002549Likely though I think it'd be more interesting if your character fucked it up the first few times they got it, like with learning a new language
Do you think a Gaian Spirit would ever accept being a Kindred/Cainite's totem spirit?Obviously not easily, but I'm kind of curious if something like bribing Elephant with a ton of captured ivory poachers would be plausible or not.
>>98002455>>98002504Are Yaoi hands included?>>98002459I like the idea of something similar to the UG (underground) from The World Ends with You, where you're basically a ghost but can interact with the living in certain sanctioned spaces and can generally see and influence the living, meanwhile you're actual space that you inhabit is the real world but warped by what the human collective unconsciousness projects onto it (say like an important high rise climbing near infinitely into the heavens until you go inside)
>>98002419How short is the brujah tomboy's hair? Is very important to thendecision making process
>>98002589>One hopeful Garou tries to cheese himself into another splat and Owl throws a bitchfit and says that, out of respect for his ambitions and goals, he won't immediately force him to reincarnateI think your average Gaian Spirit (uncorrupted, so no Minotaur) would probably try to off you at the earliest possible chance even with appeasement. I think Banes might be more up your alley to negotiate with
>>98002589>Do you think a Gaian Spirit would ever accept being a Kindred/Cainite's totem spirit?if you expend enough points, sure. it would be plausible.
>>98002419>a bunch of perverted kindred hijack, fleshcraft and occasionally brainwash anons to create a coterie with all of their fetishes
>>98002594>Yaoi handsHopefully not.
>>98002611>>Yaoi hands
>>98002621...with free protean?
>>98000315https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon#Kabbalah>In Kabbalah, demons are regarded as a necessary part of the divine emanation in the material world and a byproduct of human sin (Qlippoth).[100] After they are created, they assume an existence on their own. Demons would attach themselves to the sinner and start to multiply as an act of self-preservation.[101] Medieval Kabbalists characterize such demons as punishing angels of destruction. They are subject to the divine will, and do not act independently.[102]>Other demonic entities, such as the shedim, might be considered benevolent. The Zohar classifies them as those who are like humans and submit to the Torah, and those who have no fear of God and are like animals.[103]From what I can gather from Wikipedia, ablutions (including baptisms) seem to be a nigh-universal practice. It keeps one both physically and spiritually clean, preventing the defilement of holy spaces and purifying oneself of the taint of evil. Running water, especially from a natural source like a river or waterfall, seems to work best. I'll be sure to add this to our list on how to deal with demonic influences.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_purificationhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harae
>>98000575The "sin-eaters" as described in Geist: the Sin-Eaters are more like mediums who've had a near-death experience, so more traditional sin-eaters would probably be loosely related to >>98000680 or >>98001616.As >>98000604 and >>98000643 point out, a reboot of Changeling would probably be told from the fetch's perspective.
>>98000744And do mummies count as too culturally-specific? Or at the very least, are they (like werewolves) too thematically narrow to sustain an entire game?
>>98000315>Thus far, we have paved the road to Hell with good intentions by making demons our foundation, followed closely by ghosts.Would it be accurate to say that the setting can be summed up as "As below, so above"?
>>98000315>Thus far, we have paved the road to Hell with good intentions by making demons our foundation, followed closely by ghosts.With those two as the focus, I think there is potential in exploring an Hades/Tartarus duality: the Underworld as a place of rest for the souls of the dead and the Underworld as a place of confinement for horrors of ages past.It could even be a reason for conflict between splats: demons come in conflict with the living due to requiring taboo/evil/the rejection of maat/civilization/the natural order, but they also come in conflict with the dead because their civilizations confine fellow demons (thus they undermine factions in exchange for favors with the demons they are helping free, or aid a faction whose existence is hindering a potential rival)I feel like there is potential inspiration in the myths regarding Nyx and her children, Izanami and Apophis.
>>98000315I'm a bit iffy on the idea mentioned of making Risen part of the core wraith experience. You are a ghost, not a zombie, if you want to interact with the skinlands you'd could get inspiration from poltergeists, possession of people animal or objects, illusions...That doesn't mean that zombie stuff can't be part of the splat, but it's different enough that I don't know how to feel about making it part of the "default" so to speak.
>>98003034CofD made their origin be an explicitly not-Egypt apocryphal pre-history nation in the region specifically to avoid that. Plus they can reawaken at any critical juncture in time the Judges deem they need to, and such awakenings are non-linear.
>>98002065https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-_kCN8e-D8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meq_lKGjbNMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv3lmGl48Bchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlOEldzmBcghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvSbdd5ELgMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdWkpaHpSxMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbSLkyvTdx0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZX7ixOiZ4A
>>98003206>Hades/Tartarus duality>come in conflict with the dead because their civilizations confine fellow demonsI like to think of the Underworld as a deep cave: dark, gloomy, quiet, perhaps even "liminal". Hell, on the other hand, is like the Earth's core: hot, miserable, bearing all the weight of the world, and at the center of it all. Ironically, despite being both the metaphysical/ontological foundation and nucleus of the World of Darkness, it is hollow. There is no "rock bottom" to evil; there is no dependability to chaos. One can always descend further into the bottomless abyss.Both are connected by the throughline of subterranean rivers of ancient myth, e.g., Styx, Lethe, and perhaps the Nile. I assume that both realms exist on a continuum with some areas being less permeable due to different spiritual qualities, barriers, and guardians. Obviously, both ghosts and demons are spiritual beings, intangible and invisible under normal circumstances. That being the case, they crave the material world. They long to experience the pleasures of the flesh. They yearn to have a tangible, discernible effect on events. When they are unable to manifest, they have to act indirectly through proxies... or directly through bodily possession.>I feel like there is potential inspiration in the myths regarding Nyx and her children, Izanami and Apophis.I agree. Feel free to elaborate on this point.
>>98003463Based fairies making the irish go hungry.
>>98003256Counterpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucxMGRm5PiM .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost#Usage_and_synonyms>A revenant is a deceased person returning from the dead to haunt the living, either as a disembodied ghost or alternatively as an animated ("undead") corpse. Also related is the concept of a fetch, the visible ghost or spirit of a person yet alive.
>>98003418>CofD made their origin be an explicitly not-Egypt apocryphal pre-history nation in the region specifically to avoid that.But it didn't work because it was very clearly an Egyptian pastiche/stand-in.
>>98000315Ghost and demons are good for a basis. Most monsters are either dead people or a race of "others" like the fae, djinn, youkai and etc. The lore behind vampires and mummies could tie to why they didn't become ghosts while the "others" are of the same species as demons but due to being neutral they are neither angels nor demons.If the flagships of oWoD were Vampire, Mage and Werewolf I propose the reboot's third focus to be Mortals. When a supernatural being is neither undead nor a "other" they're usually a human that was cursed or gained powers. We could lump hunters(both powered and not), mediums/psychics, mages and even werewolves(or any other kind of werebeast) here.Maybe the overarching crossover plot, that you can just ignore if you want, is this threeway war between the Mortals, Immortals(demons and fae) and the Dead.Some general brainstorming ideas:>Werebeasts protect Gaia because it's the mortal world, they are biased towards the wild side of things and don't care too much about civilization>Zombie splat with mummies as the aristocratic "clan". They're agents of the Deathlords of WtO on the mortal world>Vampires are corrupted undead and make up the Hungry Dead splat, most feast on blood while others consume flesh or life force>Immortals include Angels, Demons and Fae but they're not on the same "side". They're powered by human emotion that functions like CtD's glamour. What sets demons apart is that it's generally related to sinfulness>Humans are mostly the poor fucks caught in the crossfire of Immortals and the Dead but the Angels decided to give them a fighting chance by imbuing(wink wink) some with powers>There could be a whole splat of "tainted" humans including kinain(and CtL changelings), kinfolk, dhampyrs, ghouls and HtV's Lucifuge>Immortals can make pacts with humans which in turn is a mage splat
>>98003034> do mummies count as too culturally-specific Or are they too thematically narrow to sustain an entire game?yes to both, but i am not sure the second really is that much of a problem for players given that they tried to fix that and nobody not even the 4 mummy fans care about the non egyptian mummiescofd mummy kinda fixes the first with a spooky patron who gives you quests and a focus and both cults and people stealing your shit so there would be a game there even if you cut out the pseudo proto egyptian stuff, but they knowlingly and on purpose made the game too high concept with the whole non linear time and memory issues for it to be a mainstay
>>98003648Nothing should stop you from playing any of the splats blissfully unaware of this hyperwar tho. Dying or whatever shouldn't make you an immediate conscript. This could be exploited by either side I wager, I can see demons turning werebeasts into pawns to their "cause suffering ??? profit" scheme and crap.
>>98003648>>Immortals can make pacts with humans which in turn is a mage splatI made the initial pitch for mages and I'd like them to be able to make pacts with any splat, not just the obvious ones, to become a "lite" version of them. So you could have a mortal blood mage whose pact is a sort of ghouling arrangement, for instance.
What's your favourite V5 predator type?No bully, please. I, too, dislike V5, I'm just curious.
>>98003714looking at the wiki the Grim Reaper sounds wilda dot of humanity and oblivion? wasn't that the most humanity eating discipline in that game?
>>98003735Yeah, that's the edgy players. I think in terms of points the types are more or less balanced - at least from what I remember from an old ww post.
>>98003699Huh... yeah, making ghouls part of the Mage: the Pact idea puts a lot into perspective, I like it. I can see Werewolf lite being pretty much skinwalker mages too. Sin-eaters would be Ghost sidekicks and like >>98001616 describe they help deal with demonic corruptionCome to think of it, if we go with my idea of making mortals the third focus we could divide each into 3 subtypes>Dead: Ghosts, Revenants and Hungry Dead>Immortals: Angels(Exalted lite?), Demons and Fae>Mortals: Pact Makers, "I was born wrong" (demonblooded, changelings, dhampyrs, prometheans and deviants) and Talented (hunters, imbued, psychics and hedge mages)
>>98003714Minecraft Streamer
>>98003795I was thinking less ghoul and more pseudo-tremere who didn't totally give up their humanity before going all in on the blood mage thing
>>98003846Yeah sure but it could still the same system as ghouling. In the end of the day you're still bloodbonded
>>98003799>say "thank you, daddy" in a sexy voice
>>98003882At least to start with, I'd want Mage: The Pact to be a came about siezing power from, and turning the tables on the supernaturals of the new new world of darkness
>>98000783Darksiders 4 was announced sometime ago
>>98004064Remind me when it gets out of development hell.
Maybe in like 2009-2010 I used to frequent an old forum on yuku where some Finnish guy was a hardcore shill for Promethean: The Created, kept saying it was the second coming of Plansecape Torment, a real high quality product, with lots of philosophizing, metaphysical musings and contemplations on the nature of a man. Always made me curious but life got in the way and I never checked it out. Looking it up now, it seems to be a pretty niche game nowadays, anyone here ever play it? What was it like? What state is it in nowadays? It's a lot to ask, to be spoonfed like this, I realize, but I'd like to know if he was really on to something back then, for sentimentality's sake. He seemed like a fun dude, as far as Finns go.
>>98004681Promethean is a neat game but it takes more planning than you would usually need.
>>98004064>>98004280>Announced 9 months ago (6 years after genesis)>CGI trailer>Clearly intended to be a larger budget production ala Darksiders 2/3>Will feature all 4 horsemen (of which Strife hasn't actually had many assets made for)Anon... I... Even if it isn't in super development hell that game isn't seeing the light of day until 2028 and I hardly expect it to be the closer to the series given how many loose plot threads there are leftover from 2,3, and genesis. 1 was surprisingly self-contained.>>98004681Promethean suffers in much the same way as Mummy and Wraith I think. It's a pretty good game with very nice flavor, but it's got a particular brand of storytelling you're stuck to that isn't going to appeal to all the players and is a bit restrictive on character building compared to other games giving you a billion options. Honestly good luck to anyone able to run it, I imagine ST'ing for it is a pain since the Promethean mechanics encourage you to migrate whenever the current story arc finishes, or maybe even before.
>>98004831>Anon... I... Even if it isn't in super development hell that game isn't seeing the light of day until 2028 and I hardly expect it to be the closer to the series given how many loose plot threads there are leftover from 2,3, and genesis. 1 was surprisingly self-contained.I thought it was announced much longer ago, like 4 years ago.
>>98004938The announcement teaser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eafBknCPcI was 9 months ago. You might be thinking about genesis or one of the remaster trailers
>>98004938>>98004969You know, I actually have to say I have deep respect for THQ Nordic for keeping this (somewhat cult) IP running past multiple bankruptcies and several years of dev hell. Downright impressed.
>>98002281I don't know why other retards are speaking without actually reading.Yes, Animalism with Feral Whispers can understand Garou.
>>98004991It's a cursed as hell IP, usually just trendchasing whatever genre is currently popular, but damn if there isn't passion behind that franchise.
>>98005139>trendchasingTrue, especially with 2 and 3, but I think even at the franchise's deepest aping there was some passionate effort behind that aping. Maybe the real curse was just THQ Nordic's horrible luck in business as I recall all the games making a profit
>>98002065https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A04PCEyzL38https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Gkh_9hyi8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po5DfWCk1dMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8wYJrS6q0khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65ua1MHIi94https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLFprnALaSkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vrpnS29V00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8gkafWc_5Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiabulEsfAEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sho6d5fR5Mchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5crKb9nMwSwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXwAJvKHGqwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x0MyLPB2SAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5laASfHvNewhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6s6MNjDad0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3WXfiB7OeYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o2E-gLCDJYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oEcPUp8og0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B9Si7jv2zIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_fvSAQz4g8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz5WhDtKErshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRwiDNWJobE
>>98002065>>98005523https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDDh_h89MAY
Struggling to reconcile my appreciation of how much better the Storytelling System is over the Storyteller System with how much more valuable the oWoD setting between 1994 and 2004 is in comparison to nWoD's.
>>98005523>>98002065>No one's posted a movieHmm
>>98005651Isn't it widely considered here that Chronicles has superior gameplay system while WoD's worldbuilding and setting is vastly more interconnected and enjoyable (with less legwork needed)
>>98005704>WoD's worldbuilding and setting is vastly more interconnected and enjoyable (with less legwork needed)This is either terribly misworded or a filthy, filthy lie.
>>98005708Probably poorly worded on my part, mainly that you get a lot more stuff to add to your game with less work involved on your part
>>98001014>What if vampires were humans who made pacts so they could stay "alive"?Ew. FUCK NO!I take my ancient biblical curse of the first murderer and his schizophrenic grandchilder, thank you very much.
>>98005704>WoD's worldbuilding and setting is vastly more interconnected and enjoyable (with less legwork needed)If by "interconnected" you mean "severely limited by the entire Cain(e) and Abel thing" and "enjoyable" you mean "LARPing as a Hot Topic mannequin reject, LARPing as a keikaku capitalist that explodes when looked, or LARPing as a furry school shooter", and by "less legwork needed" you mean "ignoring everything that isn't related to 'LA by Night' and 'Bloodlines'", then yes.
>>98005731but the LARP is the best part
>>98000931>Posts some disgusting crossover "art", defiling the best CSM girlThe artist of that image needs to be flayedYou too
>>98005704Uh-oh, you're going to cause the CofD fanboys to have a meltie by daring to imply that CofD is not superior to WoD according to every single metric ever.
The real redpill is that WoD was never better an in fact is markedly inferior to CofD, it is only considered "better" due to being there first, "having more content" (99% of it hot garbage), survivorship bias, higher media profile and mindless tribalism.
>>98005773>they hated him because he spoke the truth
>>98005773Someone is salty that CofD never took off〜
>>98005704In what way? I got the impression nobody actually includes signature characters in their game, and to me it would feel weird if one appeared in my game. The only way OWoD is easier to use is that every game has a clear conflict that you can use for storylines.
>>98005773No, the real redpill is that WoD should've been only VtM. And MAYBE DtF.
>>98005763At least my semi-bait started an argument that wasn't devoted to a single splat's theological debate
>>98005811>lore>politics>background stuff happeningSignature characters or not the WoD setting has a lot more inspiration and shit you can just blatantly steal or repurpose
>>98002065Posting my favorite subculture, gothic gyaru (may include rokku and kuro gyaru), SFWhttps://files.catbox.moe/27vr3a.zip>>98005693I don't watch much contemporary cinema let alone seen recent movies that fit my idea of I'd like WoD to look and feel like.
>>98005830I only usually watch anime myself and rarely a western release or two
The ultimate blackpill is people in this general are going to continuing enjoying and talking about Werewolf the Apocalypse and Mage the Ascension and Changeling the Dreaming just as much as they discuss Vampire the Masquerade and far more than they talk about everything from the Chronicles of Darkness combined, no matter how much hate it.
>>98005852I think the main culprit for spoiler is how Paradox killed it off prematurely and also didn't really care enough to make videogames about it. Neither did White Wolf or OPP on the other hand so it is what it is. And now, it's too late and too far gone with Paradox's gay "dark pact"
>>98005693>movieDracula (forma del Bela Lugosi), Dracula (forma del Gary Oldman), Nosferatu, Martin, The Hunger, Lost Boys, Near Dark, Innocent Blood, Interview with the Vampire, Byzantium, From Dusk Till Dawn, John Carpenter's Vampires, The Addiction, Underworld, Frostbite, Let the Right One In, Thirst, and 30 Days of Night.
>>98005879bloodlines 2 shoulda been the first requiem game desu
>>98005880No love for Dog Soldiers or Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter I see (or Van Helsing for that matter)
>>98005898It was. As in, it was shit (just like Requiem)
>>98005852I can't really prove it, but I'm convinced most people are HtP newfags here, before it came along Mage the Awakening and Changeling the Lost were the big things. You can even see it in what people talk about, I'm pretty sure when the werewolf appeared suddenly there were a lot more posts about werewolves, same for when they started their Mage series.
>>98005921Feels good knowing my favorite splat is so irrelevant I'll never be accused of being a secondary (mainly a nogames)
>>98005929Demon?
>>98005939 Wraith
>>98005942close enough
>>98005929I feel the same way because my favorite is Beast.
>>98005921>I can't really prove it, but I'm convinced most people are HtP newfags here, before it came along Mage the Awakening and Changeling the Lost were the big things. You are off by a few years. They were the big things before 20th Anniversary. With DaveB posts and Hedgefag. But with 20th Edition coming out, they lost steam until it received the final blow from Paradox not ordering new books and killing it off for the 5th Edition.There was a small resurgence in popularity with Hunter the Vigil but even then it was far too late.HtP brought newfags yeah, but it isn't the reason why there isn't much activity for CofD.
>>98005852People talk about Changeling: The Dreaming!?
>>98005921there been like 5 years between awakening and lost being big and hunter the parenting starting and it's not even a big topic on heredid you really sleep through the hype that the 20th anni editions got?
>>98005983>>9800605020th Anniversary was a few years before CofD 2e for each gameline, for example M20 was 2015 and Awakening 2e was 2016. People talked a lot about CofD well into the 2020s, I seem to remember it wasn't that long ago that if someone asked a generic question without specifying game, most answers were CofD.
>>98005921I wasn't a newfag, but I was a no-game lurker for years before HtP came. The webseries encouraged me to find games with total strangers online and I'm having a blast
>>98006094i remember cofd being completely dead during the pandemic to the point where even mentioning either vtr or mtaw would kill the entire threadctl was the only one that was considered not terrible and the rest of the lines got nothing
>>98002065https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n0CBgvw71g
>>98006024Not quite as often as the other two, but there are at least a couple of huge pooka fans in this general.
>>98005954I suppose, yeah.>>98005962My slightly problematic brother, I appreciate you and your niche game.
>>98006024i had a nice talk about the german ctd book on here when i showed another anon where to find it and some other anons chimed inwasn't terribly indepth of course as it been years since i player ctd but it was nice with none of the vitriol some gamelines get on here
>>98005962school shooterORdate rapistcall it
the one thing that always confuses me is why wod mummy get's so much screentime in these threadsthe entire splat is 4 books of which 3 are corebooks
>>98006229>call itI was thinking Eliot Rodger fanboy.
>>98006302/tg/ lacks the testicular fortitude to handle being evil and want to rp as the good guys
>>98006229>>98006313Enlighten us on what archetype you think every splat's audience falls into, this seems interesting
>>98006118I checked out a few threads from the early 2020s, VtM seems to be the biggest, some CofD, barely saw any other OWoD. When someone asked about werewolf without specifying, nobody assumed it was Apocalypse. So the main difference seems like more attention on the rest of OWoD nowadays, which I still think is because of HtP.
>>98006302>>98006314Mummies are interesting in theory (for me) and while I'm not particularly attached the good guy RP I think they have potential under different conditions
>>98006326you don't tell me what to do
>>98006302hey whatever gets our st to let me kill setites
>>98006302there is something interesting for me in immortal characters that vampires don't really do for me because of the several ways the beast influences them and no other splat really does either well i guess demons are immortal but they are all new here on earth and mages can get immortality but they get kicked out of earth by paradox at some point...really i just want to play a guy who has seen to much and who's main tragedy is that he is disconnected from the current world which is also why the revised mummy book does nothing for me either
Can you idiots not fall for edition war bait? All you mfs do anymore is trying to score points over liking or disliking x/y. There's like two, three at most people per thread that actually talk about playing in a game, and the loudest one is in probably the stupidest game I've ever heard of. But I can't even be mad at him because at least he's having fun.
>>98006024Most when someone brings up CtL or Disco Elysium
You guys fucking made me nostalgic for old stuff. Especially with this. >>98001662Here, from when V5 came out.
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>>98006336I'm asking though
>>98006412Unsurprisingly Sunday Friend is the gift that keeps on giving
>>98005811>I got the impression nobody actually includes signature characters in their game, and to me it would feel weird if one appeared in my game.Personally, and I'm mostly speaking about VtM here since I don't really play the other oWoD games, but my problem isn't just with signature characters, it's how a lot of canon VtM characters are written. It's a real common thing you'll see where there's some canon character, almost always an elder or methuselah, who is written as if their shit don't stink. Their flaws, if any, don't come up terribly often, and they're talked up as some sort of genius manipulator, but you read about their schemes and they're awful ideas, the kind of stuff that would blow up in their face, but survives through the will of the writer alone. Those ones are annoying and tend to get more press than the more interesting, nuanced ones, because they were some writer's pet. But not every canon NPC is like that, even some signatures are fine. Like Beckett, Beckett's fine because he's got some serious Ls on his record. Not even the Caine skepticism really, the dude hate-embraced a nazi Hunter like that was a good idea and was taken in by Freud's nonsense. He's not a complete joke, but he's more believable. Heck, some of the other signature characters can be interesting if you were to play them more honestly. I wouldn't mind having Lucita de Aragon show up if she was depicted as what she is, a daddy issues slut who has been coasting on powerful blood and who her sire is from night one. Another example, Theo Bell was pretty interesting until they rewrote him into a straight up Gary Stu.
>>98006314I love being the corrupting influence that poses as a friendly face! It's why the Followers of Set are my favorite clan! That and the Egyptian thing. And the sexy Hyborian snake cult thing.>>98006351No step on Snek!!
>>98006479These are mostly my complaints as well. When I read about most signature characters I don't feel like I'm reading about an actual person within the World, I feel like I'm reading about someone's OC they forced into the setting.
>>98006479>It's a real common thing you'll see where there's some canon character, almost always an elder or methuselah, who is written as if their shit don't stink. Their flaws, if any, don't come up terribly often, and they're talked up as some sort of genius manipulator, but you read about their schemes and they're awful ideas, the kind of stuff that would blow up in their face, but survives through the will of the writer alone.
>>98006546wtf im a communist now??
It's been a long time, we should see about a new temporary RP thread again
>>98006546This guy and a lot of his supporters regularly talk about his flaws imo, but Trump must be a based retard social savant because he's worked some wonders with the Norks. He's a bit too silly though
>>98006602As one of the few people who is fairly neutral on Trump, I could do a whole write up about how he is neither the idiot and/or devil his enemies like to depict him as, nor the absolute genius political mastermind his supports like to depict him as. But that would be entirely off topic.
>>98005704>WoD's worldbuilding and setting is vastly more interconnected and enjoyable>none of the settings were built to interact or function with each other in any way
>>98005786Just because you grognarded out and refused to play it doesn't mean it didn't do very well.
>>98006590You got any ideas? Because personally I don't really have any, gave /schreck/ another try recently but bounced off pretty hard, I got deja vu like bro we're still doing the "help I'm a fledgling in an impossibly bad situation, please shill me on your politics and tell me what to do, my miraculous survival is a foregone conclusion!" routine? That and the usual insular RP storyline done between 3-4 people. The guy playing the ottoman seemed pretty chill though.
>>98006497>hate setites>love the setiteanon and his little doodlesWhy must it always be this way?
>>98006658Being fair the splats are way more iconic than "DUDE ATLANTIS AND GNOSTISM LMAO" or being "ICE but for spirit shamanism" so I can see somebody wanting to have Pentex involved with a vampire or mage game and throw fomoris at them. I cannot fucking see anyone being like "DUDE LETS GET THE STRIX IN HERE"
>>98006675I'm thinking maybe Mummy set during the egyptology craze?
>>98006351You don't really need an excuse to kill Setites.>>98006677You like T&A and someone drawfagging outside of a designated thread for it reminds you of when the site was young and vibrant.
>>98006686On 2nd thought, since the necessity of an RP thread would imply the need for internet, maybe just modern Mummy (and a bit of Wraith for when someone ends up in front of judges)
>>98006546Zion Don is just fucking around because he got bored. He needed to see what being a politician was like before he died, that includes making absolutely retarded decisions just because you can.
>>98006686>set during the egyptology craze?The 20th century one? You gonna try to spin it as, rather than a modern internet forum, a sort of newsletter? Or just forgo the post-based immersion entirely?
>>98006590I'm down for it, what splat?
>>98006658Not bait. He did admit he worded it poorly.
>>98006726>newsletterSome sort of Occult/Arcane newsletter would be pretty interesting, actually. I like post-based immersion though
>>98006675Orpheus employee whatsapp
>>98006743Reasonable, my follow up question is: Do you think there'd be enough interest in and stuff within (oWoD) Mummy and Wraith to warrant discussion? If not something old timey, what's the immersive conceit for how all these other undead are posting at each other?
>>98000315It’s a cool idea and all, but I only care about mages and vampires (and I’m not open to changing my mind)
>>98006692>You like T&Ai do like tits and ass but it also reminds me of an old player who would do doodles of his characters and some of my NPCs he really liked.
>>98006730I'm thinking Mummy (or Wraith) since I thought it's too soon for Werewolf and Hunter. Changeling is also too popular atm and I believe there's still the quest running>>98006779This is a nice idea>>98006795Adapting to modernity could be an interesting angle, or maybe just unfair government policy (in Stygia or Judges being assholes)
>>98006795Spectral hive-mind net also connected to people's shadows
>>98006658They interact with one another, just poorly.
O Great Exalted One,Thunder from the Great Beyond,Descend upon this mortal realm;Echo through the World.https://vocaroo.com/15fjU9CGQ0JE
>>98005523The kids these days really like witch house, huh?
I meant to post this >>98007102 in response to >>98003429.
>>98003648>I propose the reboot's third focus to be MortalsDidn't the Chronicles of Darkness attempt that? While I agree that it could be done better, I'm not sure how well it would catch on. Hunter: the Vigil works because it gives the action-hero fantasy that lots of people want from a tabletop game. But even it allows for a supernatural spectrum from demon-blooded characters (Lucifuge) to empowered serial killers (Slashers).
>>98007140>Hunter: the Vigil works because it gives the action-hero fantasy that lots of people want from a tabletop game.Big misconception there. That's one of Vigil's potential modes of play, but not the standard one.
>>98003650I would much rather BE a mummy than play one. In both versions, they have it pretty good.
>>98007162Resurrection maybe. Curse? Haha no. You're the ultimate wagie working for the ultimate asshole managers, and there's no option for retirement, nor the consolation of the sweet relief of death. Don't Forget, You Are Here Forever. Also you have chronic brain damage and you feel like the pickled corpse you are.
>>98003656>Dying or whatever shouldn't make you an immediate conscript.Many people think that zombie horror is about being eaten by the ravenous dead. But the real horror is that you become so enslaved that you must toil even after death. As the slave-master, the bokor is the true monster.
>>98007140Vigil's strength is versatility. It's not just for action adventure. You can play a game with relatively little combat, more of a mystery/thriller where the PCs are just trying to get to the bottom of a paranormal mystery. Or occult researchers, for that matter. You can be scrappy underdogs, or load up on exp and be the anti-monster death squad. It's a game defined by customizability and being versatile, which makes it stand out in a series that's known for more focused and narrow in scope games. It's sort of an anti-WoD game, and I love it for that. I'd also argue that starting with mortals as a base template isn't a flaw, and the whole "nWoD/CofD is a failure" line of reasoning is questionable, since it was ended by executive decree, same as oWoD. The whole edition war stuff needs to stop, it's silly in the age of WoD5. But back to the point, basing things around normal mortals is good for consistency's sake, if there's any issue with the base mortal template it's that Hunter makes it redundant for specifically PCs. It still works for NPCs just fine.
>>98007162cofd mummies actually have it kinda shit between their memory problems, their warlock patrons and the fact that there are no loop holes in their contractsthere are immortals who come close to wod mummies in cofd but never as great a deal they either need to keep a item or guard a place and they aren't really as fleshed out as a full splat so have fewer powers
>>98007158>>98007194I think a better way to put it is that Vigil has the appeal of playing a good guy who fights monsters, which is still an oversimplification, but gives it a broader appeal sense almost every rpg is about that and it's what rpg players expect
>>98003795Aren't these the divisions used in Curseborne?
>>98006314I do tend towards playing good characters, but I consider Shark to be the utter opposite of that. He literally devoured people in the four digits, and killed even more. He committed diablerie multiple times and is literally turning into an avatar of the wyrm.He murdered a couple of guys just to turn them into bloody nachos and peeve high humanity toreadors by shoving it in their face.
>>98004681>Finnish guy was a hardcore shill for Promethean: The CreatedEach game really does attract its own audience, doesn't it? I bet he was just as autistic and clueless about humanity as one of the Created!
>>98007246>I bet he was just as autistic and clueless about humanity as one of the Created!Yes, we've established he was Finnish
desu for the rp thread I don’t think it would work or be interesting if it’s not a common splat that you could do easy research to start rping. I know that I wouldn’t join one on mummy. Maaaaaaybe one on wraiths, but it’ll probably be just the “I’m a fledgling new to this, what do?0
>>98007226Every WoD splat (yes, even Werewolf and Vampire) allows you to be a good guy fighting against bad guys I'm pretty sure. Unlike Mummy (Resurrection), Vigil doesn't really enforce you being a bad guy except for the whole not being a serial killer and slasher part.
>>98007290I feel like Mummy, having only 4 books, would be pretty easy to get into but I understand this pov yeah. I didn't necessarily want to do Wraith because the Shadow part might be hard to incorporate and Wraith is a big read. I do get that Mummy is kind of niche, and I guess we already had niche already with HtV.Ultimately, I don't think a single rp thread will ever appeal to every anon posting here and it's pointless to try but I still appreciate an opinion about it. I'm not necessarily a die-hard Mummy fan but I figured the other options are too recent and Changeling would be kind of difficult. I don't think Mage is a good idea either unless we want an actual weeks-long debate war over traditions-fagging and technocracy-fagging. Tough situation
>>98007226>Vigil has the appeal of playing a good guy who fights monstersOooh ho ho ho ho...~
Everybody and everything being le demons is not a reboot, it's an entirely different game just squatting on the name.For example>>98000680>mage: the cuckoldingAbsolutely dogshit idea with zero appeal that could have only been suggested by somebody who actively despises Mage. There is no link between the lore, no similarity in character design or ability, no shared goals etc. They don't even possess the one defining feature of WoD mages, true magic.
>>98007333>trips of three>We had three abbey posters in the RP threadCoincidence? I think not. Perhaps monster rape and defilement can be based every now and then.
>>98006948>I'm thinking Mummy (or Wraith)I think we'd be struggling to get people to post. Wraith and Mummy are pretty niche splats, even for us.
>>98006460>Unsurprisingly Sunday Friend is the gift that keeps on givingOf course he does he's me
>>98005523I only liked the last four, especially>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oEcPUp8og0 .
>>98007370That's valid, I just thought it'd be somewhat boring to only do popular splats in a queue
>>98006675>gave /schreck/ another try recently but bounced off pretty hard, I got deja vu like bro we're still doing the "help I'm a fledgling in an impossibly bad situation, please shill me on your politics and tell me what to doThis keeps happening because it's one of the only ways to get multiple characters to interact with each other. Noone wants to read about someone else's super awesome character doing their own thing in isolation.>my miraculous survival is a foregone conclusionWhy would anyone want to kill their own character in an RP thread? If you need drama, why don't YOU have your character get in over their head and die?
>>98007401nta but if I'm ever reposting in there I will, but no one will miss a Tzimisce
>98005723Not folkloric. A vampire would most likely be someone who was barred from a proper afterlife, rejected by both Heaven and Hell.
>>98007421Hey, props to you if you do! It just strikes me as weird to want drama and stakes, but only if it's someone else's character at stake! My character is way too good for that!
>>98007395It's dark ritual ambient. Have the whole album then:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRjmzOV6BhA>>98007401>Why would anyone want to kill their own character in an RP thread?I play the fledgling AND I had a character die before
>>98005880>Dracula (forma del Bela Lugosi)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LflLL7AH-eo
I was nursing the idea of starting a Rp thread revolving around Requiem, Vigil, Lost or Forsaken. Maybe all splats at once even. I wasn't sure if enough people would want in though.
>>98007557We've done CofD (vigil) already, but I think a "find the hunter" sort of rp could be interesting. 2 chronicles rps in a row and a multi-splat at that seems kind of weird. Like the Pentex RP an anon tried
>>98005942I’m Nobody! Who are you?Are you – Nobody – too?Then there’s a pair of us!Don’t tell! they’d advertise – you know!How dreary – to be – Somebody!How public – like a Frog –To tell one’s name – the livelong June –To an admiring Bog!
>>98007585I wanna have a VtR RP thread just so I can call Invictus members Camarilla wannabes.
>>98006229School rapist.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci--roN7qrY
>>98007401>>98007444I straight up fate worse than death'd my character during the beginning of /schreck/ 3.0, and his situation was a lot less absurd than the typical "fledgling survives several elders, a blood bond, and two cross-splat encounters". There was some blood wizard claiming he could totally find and teleport and save my character and that killed most of my interest in finishing the story. I guess I just don't vibe with what most of the current posters there are going for.
>>98007631That wouldn't be very RP though, it'd be ooc
>>98007643Alright, now I'm interested in interrogating this further. So what were you hoping would happen?How about your second attempt? What sort of interaction were you hoping to get with your character?
>>98006450These complement each other.
>>98007723How so?
>>98007707The Camarilla was a thing in VtR. Even had a book on it as I recall, Fall of the Camarilla.
>>98007322>SpoilerI'm sold. Each day the paradigm would shit and become more confusing. By the it'd be so insane that even the original mage poster would be totally detatched from his original vision.
>>98006590>>98006675>>98006730W R A I T H : T H E O B L I V I O N !
>>98000020Whats the actual point of W:tA? its full of so much defeatism/fatalism. Like the world is already fucked beyond saving and nothing you do matters. Whats the point in playing a game where you have already lost and are just having your nose rubbbed in it?
>>98007182Oh, so no different from my usual life. No wonder Wraiths succumb to Oblivion.
>>98007826>WtA pre 5th>THE WORLD IS FUCK, I AM A WOLF, ABSOLUTE CORPO DEATH NOW REEEE>Fight a losing war of attrition against entropy and in a sense hopelessness and defeatism itself in the hopes that one day your sacrifice will have led either to a surprise victory or a turn of the tide>W5>THE APOCALYPSE IS SLOW AND GAY, MR SHECKLESTEIN SIGNS MY PAYCHECKS SO CLEARLY HE CANT BE A BAD GUY, I MISS MY WIFE>It's ogre and all you can do is take it on the chin and hope it isn't as bad as you fear it might beOne might even say Werewolf is a game about hopeful martyrdom in a death cult until 5th edition
>>98007826The appeal is defiance in the face of certain defeat. It's the manly spirit to perform a last stand and know you didn't bow or break in the face of the apocalypse.
>>98007255Okay, I laught.
>>98007707>>98007775Aw man, don't explain the joke.
>>98007826IDK man I just want to blow up critical infrastructure in the name of environmentalism
>98007338Nice try, Dracula. You had your time.
>>98007826Pre-W5, it's more of a last minute urgency. The Apocalypse can still be averted, but the right things need to be done and as soon as possible and there's way too many retards doing all of the wrong things. A good ending is still possible, but only just, and it require action right now. >>98007852 and >>98007864 also work, there's joy to be found in spitting in the face of the monsters responsible for ruining the world and saying fuck you to the people who ruined your life, even if it's futile.
>>98006965With lore and mechanics that often contradict and clash with each other.Which was one of the things they wanted to and did fix in CofD.
Thinskins are at it again. Why can't Werewolf fans tolerate basic criticism of their game?
>>98007826You either:>Fight a losing battle in the name of a dead god>Join the forces of evil because muh truth (and half the shit they do is so edgy that it loops back to being based)>Join the forces of autism and keep the status quo forever
So, it seems that the general consensus among us fans is that mortals should be the center of the setting. I approve.Where do we go from there?
>>98007896I don't think it needed fixing though, unreliable narrator is an interesting perspective for a trrpg and WoD's often personalized text pairs well with it>>98007901>Anon blatantly asked what the appeal isI fall for the bait because She would also fall for the bait She being Matilda, who is very fuckable
>>98007930What? No.
Do werewolves like fish?Does fish make werewolves nice?
>>98007775>The Camarilla was a thing in VtR. Even had a book on it as I recall, Fall of the Camarilla.It was mentioned all the way back in VtR 1e core, and one of the main factions, Invictus, nis the most direct Cam analogue not just in narrative role but in-universe. They literally ape the heraldry and mythos of the long-defunct Camarilla, openly declaring themselves its inheritors. It's a big point of contention between them and the Carthian Movement, who would rather play trial and error with human modes of governance than keep LARPing as something that died thousands of years ago.
>>98007964Well, not many seemed interested in demons and ghosts. And >>98003648 made a good proposal.
>>98007930>>98007992Three faggots circle jerking while everybody else ignores them isn't a general consensus.
>>98007992"General consensus" is not synonymous with "3 retards and a samefag".
Wouldn't a WoD game of mortals just be a bunch of mortals that interact with the gamelines, like hedge mages, consorts, wannabe hunters and detectives, blood dolls, medium, kinfolk, dreamers, cultists, slasher groupies or whatever? I don't just mean the RP thread, I mean a tabletop one too.
>>98007401I miss when I played Red-Errand-Girl and everyone decided to converge on Berlin either to assist me, forcefully recruited into the sabbat, kill me or free me from my sire.I don’t mean that it was all about me, but that multiple stories crossing over, some concluding and lots of players at the same city at the same time.Also like that time in the werewolf thread where I played Ginfolk
>>98008052This can be done pretty easily in Vigil or HH, even a slightly modified H5. It's an interesting idea for a game but at least in WoD mortals are pretty weak comparatively
>>98007938>I don't think it needed fixing though, unreliable narrator is an interesting perspective for a trrpg and WoD's often personalized text pairs well with itYeah, sure, but at the same time after all of the Revised books and apocalypse scenarios were published, WoD was complete. They didn't have anywhere else to go with it, and they had a nice list of problems and a desire to start fresh with a new mechanical design and none of the baggage of oWoD while exploring the same themes.
>>98008052CofD is a solid enough system that you can also do a ton of different stuff with it that has nothing to do with the other splats. My group has done stuff like zombie apocalypse survival, space opera, alt history, superheroes, and so on in it.
>>98007585>Like the Pentex RP an anon triedOof… might I suggest someone other than me make the thread?
>>98008003 >>98008008But that's what a consensus is, especially on 4chan.
>>98008234On the one hand (and thank you for making the thread), I appreciated it and what little there was there was fun. On the other hand though, it was kind of Gun-Ho and I feel that faction specific threads kind of gatekeep involvement compared to just a general splat and (loosely) the associated groups. I don't expect a thread up anytime soon though while we're still figuring out what people would be interested in
>Mages hate this ONE simple trick
>>98008345And then the mage pulls out a magical gun.
>>98008365And then I pull out my dick and balls.
>>98007140Yeah, eventhough I prefer oWoD I like how CofD uses mortals as a template. I also like how HtV allows Hunters to use faith, technology and more for powers. My idea is to throw in psychics, hedge mages and other minor splats together >>98007184Well more the reason as to why lump mummies and zombies together because that's kinda similar to what >>98007182 said about MtC. Call it Revenant: the Toil>>98007234I don't know. Do they even have hunters?>>98007930What are you talking about anon? I'm the guy that proposed mortals but I never said it should be the center of the setting. I meant that if oWoD focused on Vampire, Werewolf and Mage maybe the reboot could be Ghosts, Demons and Mortals which could also be>You're human>You've used to be human>You were never human in the first place
>>98008345>Not paying 15 random hobos to watch and stack paradox Never gonna make it
>>98008420And then the low level Akashic (with cancer or something) chokes you to death on those balls while an Israeli pretending to be French walks in
>>98008519Unfortunately for Kerry this would have been an instant masquerade breach. Bombing a hotel and using a sniper rifle in the middle of a populated medium sized city though? A-okay by the magus book.
>>98008365Fun note, that is a magical gun that permanently cripples the abilities of any mage shot with it.
>>98008618It even only works because of Kiritsugu's extremely fucked up worldview and his special bone sauce
>>98008618How many ways does a mage have of not being shot?
>>98008715at least 2/mage but most of them rely on a single layer of protection most of the time, if they have any spells active at all.
>>98005098>talking to garouAnimalism clans are disgusting.
>>98008928And it is for shit like that you get mauled or maunted but I think that's exactly what you want
>>98008455>Ghosts, Demons and MortalsOh, that makes sense. I have the dumn.On the subject of tone, it seems that a lot of people here like "club" music: witch house, synthwave, and other electronic genres with a dark (but not somber) undertone. I get the feeling that a lot of you would like to be those raver vampires from the first Blade movie.
>>98008965I find it difficult to read this
>>98000604>But the idea of being a fey swapped with a human child at birth, growing up in a human family and then realizing your true heritage seems like a perfectly good basis for an RPGI feel like all you would need to change CtD into this is to say that instead of being born with it, maybe it's Maybelline.
>>98008715https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuRabZXglaQ
>>98008967I would totally go to a blood rave if I were a vampire
>>98000604>>98008988Why do fey swap out kids anyway? Are fey so unbearable they prefer humans?
>>98009120It depends on what sources you believe. Some say that the fae owe a tithe to Hell, so they send a human child in place of one of their own. In other stories, it is the faerie equivalent of sending granny to a retirement home.
>>98009120Novelty. Boredom. Curiousity. Pointless cruelty. Envy. The lulz. Pick your poison.
>>98008970Ignore animalism clans
>>98009120At least in CtL, it's strongly implied that that's how new True Fae come about.I've also heard it said that tales of faeries are eerily analogous to humans and animals. They are unpredictable, might kill you for no good reason, and if you go and eat their food you might come back changed and/or be unable to leave the faerie/human realm ever again.
>>98007719I was just trying to do a dark story about some nomad sabbat who got possessed by a blood bane and was slowly turning into a bloodworm. I didn't like how painfully thick the other poster's plot armor was, so I wanted to do one without. His whole pack was slowly dwindling because he wouldn't stop doubling down. Would've been fine with some interactivity but didn't get much in the way of replies for most of it, so it wound up being fairly linear. Then right when he was locked in a box being starved as he began the transformation, some wizard was trying to offer a get out of jail free card, and that left a bad taste in my mouth so I just stopped posting soon after. Then like a few nights ago I checked in, made a few posts, not with any story in mind just playing the field and honestly I bounced off it because it seemed like it was not really any different from the end of /schreck/ 2.0. As I said, just didn't vibe with it.
>>98000315>>98000966>while eating peoples soulsHow about instead of eating souls strictly required, it's a temptation like VtM diablerie?You are a creature of darkness, a shadow casting itself into the light of civilization. And to *withstand* that light you need more darkness, either by bringing it with you somehow, harvesting it, darkening the world around you to relieve some of the pressure, some combination...This is where both corrupting mortals and making them suffer comes from. You need less power to resist banishment the more of a hive of scum and villainy your home is. You get power from making people worse versions of themselves. You get power from making them suffer.So then the dilemmas come from deciding what to do when making the world worse is good for you. Do you act like the Furies of Ancient Greece, inflicting inhumane torments on those who you can tell yourself "deserve it"?Do you focus on making people break taboos without worrying about the consequences of making that one dude cheat on his wife and that other one become an alcoholic?Do you drive mortals to worship you, to taint themselves with your essence so that they can nourish you, despite that being bad for their soul and sanity and the origin of plenty of "crazed cultist" stereotypes?Do you flock to cities with larger congregations of your kind, so that their presence alleviates some of the pressure at the cost of having to deal with worse politics?What do you do when a group of good people begins to make an effort to improve the lives of the people around you, knowing that its success will weaken you during a time when you really need all the power you can get?The problem with all that relying on mortals is that mortals aren't exactly reliable are they? They can move. They can change. They can die. They don't come with you. So getting souls as items instead of people tempts you, despite knowing how horrific it is to steal people's souls.
>>98009343I like everything except for the part about temptation. I don't think that a demon would have many - or any - compunctions about enthralling, devouring, or tormenting a soul. Rather, I would say that, for whatever reason, it is DIFFICULT to obtain souls. Perhaps, souls must be given willingly with no coercion and with fully-informed consent. And if we want to harvest souls on "Hell mode" (heh), maybe they must come from someone with completely unhindered agency. That is to say that a demon can not accept a soul from someone whose consent has been engineered, even indirectly.
>>98000315Do we want to keep something similar to the Wheel of Ages from Kindred of the East?Something about the combination of demon and ghost reminded me of the Greek Ages of men, and how they fates of those men in the underworld varied.>But after the earth had covered this generation — they are called pure spirits dwelling on the earth, and are kindly, delivering from harm, and guardians of mortal men; for they roam everywhere over the earth, clothed in mist and keep watch on judgements and cruel deeds, givers of wealth; for this royal right also they received>But when earth had covered this generation also — they are called blessed spirits of the underworld by men, and, though they are of second order, yet honour attends them also>These were destroyed by their own hands and passed to the dank house of chill Hades, and left no name: terrible though they were, black Death seized them, and they left the bright light of the sun.>But to the others father Zeus the son of Cronos gave a living and an abode apart from men, and made them dwell at the ends of earth. And they live untouched by sorrow in the islands of the blessed along the shore of deep swirling Ocean, happy heroes for whom the grain-giving earth bears honey-sweet fruit flourishing thrice a year, far from the deathless gods, and Cronos rules over them; for the father of men and gods released him from his bonds. And these last equally have honour and glory.>Envy, foul-mouthed, delighting in evil, with scowling face, will go along with wretched men one and all. And then Aidôs and Nemesis, with their sweet forms wrapped in white robes, will go from the wide-pathed earth and forsake mankind to join the company of the deathless gods; and bitter sorrows will be left for mortal men, and there will be no help against evil.Maybe it was a thought about one of the local potential doomsdays being that if the world becomes irredeemably corrupt humanity is wiped out and reset to forcefully banish everyone
>>98009514That could work too, and help explain Faustian bargains
>>98000186>You mean the Tremere diablerized him successfully, until it was retconned by a shit writer.Isn't Tremere choking on his Saulot meal a nearly 25 year old plot beat at this point? I'm kind of surprised to see someone hung up on it.
>>98009533>Do we want to keep something similar to the Wheel of Ages from Kindred of the East?Personally, I don't. Though, I can easily imagine that is how some factions believe the world works and some may even strive to make it that way.
>>98009542And the more ritually and/or morally pure a soul, the greater the power and glory it bestows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_(demon)
Sorry, too busy enjoying my canon™ version of Demon.
>>98000315For ghosts, how about making having a body a physical body an important privilege that most aren't allowed, as a way to tie Wraiths and Mummies and Risen together?If you are a mummy on an important mission, or an einherjar recruited to fight enemies of the valkyries, or some other Big Deal, you can be taught to how to possess a corpse. You might even have one already arranged for your mission.But if you are not? You don't know how, learning is illegal in most jurisdictions, you'll have to make do with whatever corpse you manage to get your hands on (and maybe get unwillingly involved in their baggage, if recognizes them), and you have ghosts and maybe even some of those authorized Risen hunting you down to preserve the Veil/Maat/law and order/whatever.But you might still consider it worth it, ghosts often have unfinished business after all.If you play Mummy you might be a special forces agent sent back to the Skinlands again and again for difficult missions. If you play Wraith you don't have those privileges but neither do you have that level of scrutiny: are you going to try to earn those rights, feel that you don't need them, or feel that you don't need to get them legally?
◄ Ephesians 6:12 ►https://biblehub.com/ephesians/6-12.htm>For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.This verse can also be a rallying call against governments, corporations, and hegemony, all of which demons may be behind.
>>98009821>For ghosts, how about making having a body a physical body an important privilege that most aren't allowed, as a way to tie Wraiths and Mummies and Risen together?Perhaps the ancient Egyptians and the early Christians were right. Maybe a preserved body is required for proper resurrection. This was probably discovered when spontaneous mummies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummy#Types) were able to rise.>If you play Wraith you don't have those privileges but neither do you have that level of scrutiny: are you going to try to earn those rights, feel that you don't need them, or feel that you don't need to get them legally?Perhaps, a new body can be grown...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJArzkCbCkA
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>>98009869>that picture>laughs in medium merit
>>98009869i dont get it....
>>98003648>>Immortals include Angels, Demons and Fae but they're not on the same "side". They're powered by human emotion that functions like CtD's glamour. What sets demons apart is that it's generally related to sinfulnessShould we include "Beasts" and "Shades"? The latter probably wouldn't mesh well, since we already have ghosts.On the subject of ghosts, I like the idea that, like mortals, ghosts can also become "inhuman" (specters, geists, and other "depersonalized" intangible beings).
>>98009514Souls being hard to get would also help establish the potential conflict between ghosts and demons, since ghosts are bodyless souls
Now that we are hitting the bump limit, I'll try to summarize what we have.Firstly, in the place of vampires, werewolves, and magi, we shall prioritize demons, ghosts, and mortals instead.Secondly, while this fan-made World of Darkness has a spiritual core, it is ironically "insubstantial"; demons and ghosts need mortals and the material universe to give themselves meaning.Thirdly, mortals can acquire supernatural power(s) through pacts and/or being part of a lineage.Fourthly, a lot of you have shit taste in music.
>>98010050>no mentions of moviesWe have pseuds in this chat. I suggest the Exorcist, since we're going into Demon shit
>>98010050Thanks, grok
>>98009514 >>98009827>That is to say that a demon can not accept a soul from someone whose consent has been engineered, even indirectly.>This verse can also be a rallying call against governments, corporations, and hegemony, all of which demons may be behind.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V4DxMGlWhUThirteen stars in the original flag!Thirteen demons from the Devil's bag!Thirteen berries and thirteen leaves!Thirteen colonies of land-grabbing thieves!Thirteen arrows in the eagle's claws!Sixty-seven corporations wage the Devil's wars!Thirteen stripes on the eagle's shield!And these are the symbols on the US seal!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUEu-pG1HWw>Who say they God & still be the Devil
>>98010084I'm just autistic, not a machine.
@98010115Nobody tell her...
>>98010065I mentioned Insidious above, which features both ghosts and a demon. Session 9 is a great movie about mental illness and hauntings.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WqZyB39t_k
>>98010130Nice try, ghost of Philip K. Dick.
“What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: 'This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more' ... Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: 'You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine.”― Friedrich Nietzsche, The Gay Science
>>98010194I don't care what a syphilis lunatic thinks about my fantasy setting. More importantly, I value the Greek daimon more than the Abrahamic daemon when it comes to narrative storytelling.
>>98010222I can read this, but for some reason, the "s"s that look like "f"s make me read the text as if it's a thick lisp, ie "thuckth" instead of "sucks" or "motht" instead of "most".
>>98010222This is a great way to ghoul an entire town
Dear anons making a new game:Please, don't forget to include tons of cool merits.Also, rebises.
>>98008618Considering the specifics of how it works, I feel one possible consequence is it assfucking an Avatar so bad it spawns a Widderslainte next time.
Hey is there swarm combat in Chronicles? Like if I wanted to threaten the party with one dozen opossums?
>>98010594The Chronicles corebook stats out a zombie horde as one character.
i feel...salubrious
>>98010779Motherfucker, we keep telling you to bathe every once in a while.
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>>98007801I FUCKING DIED!!!!!!!! WHAT DO I DO!!!
