>>98004547
Who cares
That's their audience
People who just want to recreate the last Christmas their parents were together
The multipart plastics are part of the masochism

>>98004547
>I prefer when history doesn't matter and everything old is disregarded
How's that working out for you?

>>98004547
Post minis.

>>98004547
Don’t care, consooooming it anyway. My ork buddy and I are splitting the cost.

>>98004579
>im a retard who conflates marketing campaigns with a respect for the history of the hobby

Warhammer may be for everyone but it is most especially for you.

>>98004580
Which ones? The ones I sold or the ones I’ll never buy because they’re overpriced and look like shit?

>>98004547
And I will continue to not give them a single unit of legal tender.
>THEN WHY U IN THREAD
I didn't see "general" in the thread title, so you must be open to opinions unsupportive of GW slop.

>>98004547
Orks are the last antagonist faction requiring a serious update so they were up on the list anyway and nobody actually likes ultramarines, but blood angles are extremely popularly why not do this?

Seems like you're really grasping for things to complain about when this is the blandest most inoffensive launch set they've come out with since 2016.

>>98004617
The ones you sold will do. You did keep pictures, right?

>>98004598
And your answer to this is...

>>98004547
>make some new stuff
>people REEEEE that it doesn't fit their vision of what the IP should be
>keep reheating old stuff
>people REEEEE that you're not doing anything new
>some grogs still REEEEE that you've fucked up some minor aspect of the thing that happened to be immensely precious to them
There's just no winning with modern fandoms
And yes, I sperg out about shit like this too

>>98004725
>that last line
I kneel

>>98004684
Toys are for playing not posting for ego boosts on a Bosnian mountaineering board

What will the models reveal?

Show models.

Just how common on /tg/ is people sticking with older editions? Ive seen at least 2 posters doing so (4th and 7th).

>>98004676
>Orks are the last antagonist faction requiring a serious update
Dark Eldar are missing like half of their range

>>98004547
I think the biggest issue is just age.
All of these 30+ year old properties just have too much going on, trying to get new fans and appease old ones is impossible. Plus no one is making new IP because its not a guaranteed billion, combined the rare attempts have failed, consoomers showing they just want star wars or warhammer.
Like every character based video game, after a decade there are just too many. Do you balance all factions? Keep constant releases? Do the kill team "only things you bought in the last 2 years count"? I really don't know what the solution is.

>>98005533
What drives me up the wall about the current state of James is that 40k is more popular than ever but they still feel the need to price gouge worse than they ever had before. I'm not even considering buying models from them anymore.

>>98005379
If it was up to me I would, but most of the people I play with haven't been doing it for very long and don't really know or care about how the game has changed over time, so they naturally just flock to the newest, easiest accesible edition

My dream is to convince a few friends to start a project in which we would play 2-3 games of every edition in order, starting all the way from Rogue Trader, and then compare our impressions about each one

>>98006805
That's a cool idea even if it would be incredibly difficult to organize the time for it.

>>98005533
I've been thinking about it lately as well. So many of those large franchises have been simply kept alive, grown and milked for longer than it's healthy. It just stops being feasible to both keep them accesible for newcomers and keep the old guard satisfied

>>98006853
Before I moved I was part of a 40k club with about a dozen members at its peak. We came up with dozens of house rules that made the game more satisfying. It obviously wouldn't work for tournament style players or for pickup games at the GW. GW ultimately dislikes veterans of the hobby because we can theoretically never have to buy a new model or book again.

>>98005452
I said antagonist faction.

>>98006901
>>98006853
i struggle to think of a way to balance it to be honest. Clearly, GW has figured it out from a business side, they are printing money. but how do you keep an old guard happy and engaged after so long? if i have 5000 points of marines and no interest in tournament meta, why would i buy anything else? Is it worth pursuing or attempting to engage these types of older players? GW doesnt think so, chasing new and whales.

>>98004547
>>98006853
>having to follow old STC patterns because fans will call new designs heretek
Fits the setting perfectly desu.

I don't think it's really that hard to balance old and new fans, if you don't play them against each other then old fans can even create (literally) new fans. My parents got me into Star Wars, they liked the sequels and I liked the prequels but there was no discrepancy between that.
There has been a misconception (including in current Star Wars) that old fans absolutely will not like anything new, and they need to be kicked out to make room for new fans. It's utter nonsense, and while GW has dabbled in that mindset occasionally it's good to see them still honoring the past (or shameless pandering if you want to be cynical, but at least they know old fans' money is still green).

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>>98007716
Glorious.

>>98007267
Yeah I have 4x2500pts lists Orks, Eldar, Necrons and Tyranids. I don't need to buy anything new like ever.

>>98004547
There is no version of 40K where there shouldn't be Space Marines and Orks. This is evergreen, not "hearkening back". This is core to the whole thing. Obviously it is doing black reach again after doing Macragge again, but that's not actually a meaningful criticism when the only concrete sense in which it is "doing black reach" is that its a big box with space marines vs orks. Big box of space marines vs orks is something 40K should always be liable to do.

>>98007848
Orks are essential 40k. GW created a race unlike anything in any other sci-fi setting. They should be treated on the same level as Marines.

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>>98005379
It's 1st edition for me.

>>98004547
>Spiderman No Way Home
>Deadpool and Wolverine
>Star Trek Picard Season 3
>Keaton Batman in The Flash
>fucking He-Man

have you been paying attention the past few years?

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>Make primaris, push the setting forward, try to squat irrelevant 80's era factions like Eldar
>/tg/ squeals and shits its pants
>Revert some changes, try to balance old and new
>/tg/ squeals and shits its pants

>>98004547
It's not that they need to, since the audience will buy literally anything they shit out. It's more like they did it because they're creatively bankrupt.

>>98004725
I just want to use tanks with treads.

>>98012376
>>Make primaris, push the setting forward
Strange way of saying "after a decade and a half of decline, finally cross the rubicon of total irredeemability."

>>98012747
>laughs in Stormcast
>laughs in Votann
The "audience" (hmm) isn't as dumb as you think.

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>>98004547
I honestly think that the Armageddon throwback has very little to do with with nostalgia (the vast majority of the people who will be buying this box weren't in the hobby when the 2nd ed starter was on store shelves) and it's really just a convenient excuse to paint them as blood angels since the new marines would be even more underwhelming if they were painted as Ultras.

>>98012376
The only possible way GW could even make me CONTENT is if they take a fat steaming shit on Taufags that have gaslit themselves into thinking the Ethereals rule through peace and plenty instead of information control and quietly disappearing anyone who steps out of line. Even then I am being generous because they still have to make up for their antics during the Summer of Floyd to make me happy.

>>98015054
Anon, some of the biggest marks for nostalgia weren't around for the thing they're nostalgic for.

>98015082
Imperiumfagging. Not even once.

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>>98015526
Link posts properly, coward. I'm sick and tired of Taufags constantly lying and presenting a hyper-idealized version of the faction, then bitching and crying when anyone does the same for the Imperium. It's standard crypto-communist behavior and I won't tolerate it.

>>98015054
Those gun shields make sense. But goddamn if they don't look ugly.

>>98015082

Why do you think the Imperium is the good guys? The whole point is they're supposed to be morally and spiritually inferior to races like the Aeldari and Tau.

>>98005554
Agreed. 3D printing is my go to now. Don't feed the beast

>>98016099
Why do you trust aliens to sterilize, abduct, and kill your children at their whim?

>>98016135

Well, the Tau don't sterilize, abduct, or kill human children in their empire "at their whim."

If you're in the Imperium, however, they do that to humans all the time. It's not better when a human does some horrible thing compared to a nonhuman.

>>98016143
>>98015550

>>98016143
>Well, the Tau don't sterilize, abduct, or kill human children in their empire "at their whim."
That's a fucking lie and I posted the Deathwatch TTRPG page that proves it's a lie.
>It's not better when a human does some horrible thing compared to a nonhuman.
So you'd rather surrender that to aliens who do it and lie to you about it? You think it's fine as long as it's done in deceit and behind closed doors. Pathetic.

>>98016151

That was written by FFG not GW. And no, it was never submitted to GW for approval.

>So you'd rather surrender that to aliens who do it and lie to you about it? You think it's fine as long as it's done in deceit and behind closed doors. Pathetic.

No, I reject the premise. On planets like Necromunda, the nobles hunt the lower classes for sport. That is far worse than what the Tau do.

>>98016157
>That was written by FFG not GW
Cool, half the Black Library wasn't written by GW and that includes your precious gay Tau novels.
>That is far worse than what the Tau do.
Do you think people disappear themselves? That they're not hunted down by the Tau? What the fuck is the difference between what the Tau do and the Lex Imperialis? The difference is the Tau are cowards that lie and justify themselves based on a "Greater Good" when they are, in fact, a tiny blister on the ass of a galaxy that barely acknowledges their existence.

>>98016166

>Cool, half the Black Library wasn't written by GW and that includes your precious gay Tau novels.

GW exercises editorial oversight of Black Library novels. It did not of the Deathwatch or Only War rpg materials, which were where the Tau were covered in the FFG era.

So no, you're wrong, that isn't canon, and Tau novels published by BL are.

>Do you think people disappear themselves? That they're not hunted down by the Tau? What the fuck is the difference between what the Tau do and the Lex Imperialis? The difference is the Tau are cowards that lie and justify themselves based on a "Greater Good" when they are, in fact, a tiny blister on the ass of a galaxy that barely acknowledges their existence.

The Tau don't hunt humans for sport, no, so again, your argument has no weight. I'd recommend reading up on Necromunda, as an example of what hive worlds are like. Slavery is the law of the land, famine is common, and the nobles hunt the people for sport.

The Tau are objectively more moral than the Imperium.

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>>98016173
>aktualy they only kill humans when they feel they have good reason to so its totally fine
holy fuck taufags are all literally retarded

>>98016173
>that isn't canon
Pure cope.
>The Tau don't hunt humans for sport
Oh so they feel very guilty and upset about their murder. How noble. Such is the burden of "benevolent" masters I'm sure.
>I'd recommend reading up on Necromunda, as an example of what hive worlds are like.
I know exactly what Necromunda is like, GSC is my favorite faction and it has unique lore about them.
>Slavery is the law of the land, famine is common, and the nobles hunt the people for sport.
Whereas the Tau slaughter anyone that steps outside of their prescribed social position. This is something they do to their own people. What the fuck do you think they allow humans to do? What the humans are told and nothing else.

>>98016181

I said they don't hunt humans for sport, so my point stands.

>>98016187

Literally every comment you made here was wrong, even your comment about Necromunda having "unique lore about GSC." The Malstrain isn't even really GSC, it's something else. You clearly know very little about the setting, both 40k at large and Necromunda. Go back to watching Arch videos or whatever.

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>>98016197
>Literally every comment you made here was wrong
Massive uncontrollable cope.
>The Malstrain isn't even really GSC, it's something else.
Do you have any idea how retarded what you just said is? "N-no! The Malstrain aren't Purestrain so they must not be Genestealers!" Fucking stupid. You going to tell me Ymgarl Genestealers aren't Genestealers next?

>>98016199

>Massive uncontrollable cope.

You can say that, but it's not an argument.

>Do you have any idea how retarded what you just said is? "N-no! The Malstrain aren't Purestrain so they must not be Genestealers!" Fucking stupid. You going to tell me Ymgarl Genestealers aren't Genestealers next?

Do you even know what a "purestrain" is? Do you even know how the Malstrain, the Cult of the Second Son, works?

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>>98016201
>Do you even know what a "purestrain" is? Do you even know how the Malstrain, the Cult of the Second Son, works?
Nah bro I just have these fucking books for no reason. No reason at all. God I hate Taufags so much.

>>98016209

You definitely have them for no reason because you haven't read them, or are ESL and failed at reading comprehension.

Anyway, read the section on the Spire Hunters in the Book of Desolation, and realize that the Necromundan nobles treat their population much, much worse than the Tau would.

Remember, the Tau are supposed to be emblematic of the 20th/21st century West, as per that quote from Thorpe up above, so of course they're morally superior to the Imperium.

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>>98016211
>You definitely have them for no reason
You are an absolute fucking retard for saying the cult maintained by Malstrain Genestealers isn't a Genestealer Cult. Everything you say is meaningless.
>Remember, the Tau are supposed to be emblematic of the 20th/21st century West,
That condemns them far more than it absolves them, idiot.

>>98016197
>I said they don't hunt humans for sport, so my point stands.
You do realize that off of this is the official narrative put out by the tau empire right?
Like how the CIA never used torture and how the IDF are the most humane army in the world?
How are you this fucking retarded
Its like taufags have zero concept of subtext and take everything the tau say about themselves at face value

>>98016216

>You are an absolute fucking retard for saying the cult maintained by Malstrain Genestealers isn't a Genestealer Cult. Everything you say is meaningless.

Just the fact that they don't follow the GSC life cycle is enough to make it not a genestealer cult, and instead something different. It's more like a psychic infection or presence than anything else.

>That condemns them far more than it absolves them

It makes them a million times better than what the Imperium is, which is a degenerate society of baby-murderers and small-minded religious fanatics.

>You do realize that off of this is the official narrative put out by the tau empire right?

What are you saying? Necromundan nobles hunting humans for sport is part of the Necromunda lore, it has nothing to do with the Tau.

>Like how the CIA never used torture and how the IDF are the most humane army in the world?

I'm sure the Tau have done fucked up things, but the Imperium is far, far worse.

>Its like taufags have zero concept of subtext and take everything the tau say about themselves at face value

You have zero concept of morality and judge things based off of who does it, not the consequences of the action. This goes against the founding liberal ideals of Western democracies (but not Israel, which is generally pro-child rape, for example.)

>>98016273
>Just the fact that they don't follow the GSC life cycle is enough
No, it isn't. They're a mutant strain, but still Genestealers. Their cult is still a Genetealer Cult, Purestrain or not.
>It's more like a psychic infection or presence than anything else.
Perhaps. The Patriarch had a cybernetic interface built into it by Hermiatus. Sometimes I wonder if it has attached itself, and grown into, the Hive's systems. It's left a mystery.
>It makes them a million times better than what the Imperium is, which is a degenerate society of baby-murderers and small-minded religious fanatics.
Riddle me this: What's the difference between sterilizing an entire population of people and murdering their children? The end result is the same.

Also you're talking to more than one person I'm not going to speak for them. I'll do you the courtesy of tripping their thread watcher >>98016229

>>98004725
Their own fault for inventing Primaris. I understand the redesign bought in a lot of money by forcing everyone to update their space marines but this is the price they have to pay for doing this. The soulless forced redesign was going to catchup eventually and they’ve probably made a stack of money from it at the cost of a lot of the old but passionate fandom

>>98016298

>No, it isn't. They're a mutant strain, but still Genestealers. Their cult is still a Genetealer Cult, Purestrain or not.

No, it's an entirely new thing. People get infected without being born to infected parents, or encountering a genestealer, just through psychic infection. And it doesn't have the genestealer lifecycle. It's like how a dog is no longer a wolf after being domesticated, the Malstrain is no longer a true genestealer cult after the AdMech tampered with it.

>Riddle me this: What's the difference between sterilizing an entire population of people and murdering their children? The end result is the same.

The Tau aren't known for sterilizing entire populations of humans

>>98016349
>People get infected without being born to infected parents, or encountering a genestealer, just through psychic infection.
You know that can happen even with Purestrains too right? The Twisted Helix extract germ-seed and taint medical supplies with it. It's entirely possible to isolate and transmit the germ-seed infection without a genestealer at all.
>It's like how a dog is no longer a wolf after being domesticated, the Malstrain is no longer a true genestealer cult after the AdMech tampered with it.
It is no longer a Purestrain Genestealer Cult. It is still a Genestealer Cult. Frankly I'm kind of pissed that GW hasn't made more mutant strains, especially since the Tyranids don't always wipe out the cults anymore. Sometimes they let them go on Voidships to infect new world. Tiamet takes tributes from what are basically voidborn corsair genestealer cults.
>The Tau aren't known for sterilizing entire populations of humans
Like I said, Deathwatch TTRPG says otherwise. GW most certainly reviewed the book, just like they review every other licensed product, and have never contradicted it.

>>98004547
GW is all nostalgia bait, you must be new. Tale of four gamers, battle at the farm, all shit that is endlessly rehashed. And if you don't remember they just put some nostalgia drips in white dwarf or their site an voila, when the ambull releases, everybody wants one because muh (fake) nostalgia.

>>98015054
>Ultramarine sergeants with red helmets
>Blood Angels with blue helmets
I hate this godawful looking colour combination and have no clue why GW continues to push it in so much promo material