What was the point of no return for this? Was it The Forge? Was it Critical Roll? Was it Roll20? Was it Amber Diceless? I really am just curious where this "change" really came from.
why do you pretend that you can't play your 1977 game anymore? Just play what you like instead of being pissy at what other people do.
>>98009152>t. pissy about the thread
>>98009152Because as people age, they get more distant from hobbies and friends like tabletop rpgs. This forces grogs to fight an uphill battle against zoomers who generally don't want to play an old edition, because it's harder and more complicated, or not play at all.The "you can play with the edition you want" doesn't work as well irl as on paper
>>98009202you've never played with a zoomer.
>>98009152Because people like OP the Gaylord and this faggot >>98009202 are too stupid to play any tabletop game.
>>98009137It had already declined by the time TV got aware of the hobby's existence, but the genuine nail in the coffin was probably the Big Bang Theory, where all the worst and often most inaccurate portrayals of both gameplay and fanbase solidified themselves in the collective conscious, mostly slander than anything in good fun, honestly, just mocking it in unadulterated contempt as one of the trillions of acceptable targets, definitely to have it portrayed without alienating the masses, inhibiting anyone from actually fucking embracing the culture in earnest. Those who did, however, actively rejected integration, instead wanting to tailor it to their own needs. Emulating videogames 1:1, living out a power fantasy unchallenged, having cool moments with barely any gameplay, if not just pure flatout RP, where there's a consensual council on if players & the neutered or non-existant GM come to a mutual agreement on the validity of a particular story beat, just instant gratification and Reddit DnD story fodder
Breaking news, OP disappointed that his games are not attracting children to his van.
>>98009137>t. nogamesGames like the one on the left still exist, but people realized keeping up with that much shit is a pain in the ass, especially in an era where you have to work three jobs just to survive and can't afford to spend 2 hours mathing out how your Slightly Crippled arm affects your Drink Liquid Skill from the list of 5000 skills 480 of which nobody will ever use.And the one on the right, well, that's all just a strawman that is factually untrue. I've played a good handful of games and none of them say "roll 1d6 and succeed if the GM feels like it". Even PBTA systems, which /tg/ claims are LE BAD or whatever, have actual conditions for failure or success clearly defined in their rules and include modifiers.Much like everything, the moderate position is the correct one. There are many middle grounds between "ultra-dense super crunch where you have to roll for everything out of a list of 5000 skills with 30 different conditional modifiers for every roll of the dice in an aim to be as realistic and lethal as possible" and "Flip a coin and if the GM feels like it shit happens", in fact the latter is basically unheard of. All systems have some degree of system mastery, and some degree of mechanical complexity. The problem arises when a system has a lot of mechanics, but they're all very poorly explained (or vague). For example, BESM 3e is steaming hot trash because it has a huge swathe of mechanical options, one of the most annoying and obtuse statgen methods I've ever seen, but when you try to run combat it becomes a game of GM May I and the GM is expected to have a clear idea of what constitutes movement and range and a viable target and all the other shit better systems would have concrete rules for. On paper, it is a mechanically deep system. In practice, it just has a lot of pointless mechanics pasted over a nothingburger of a "rules" system with tri-stat. It has no reason to exist.
>complexcity>devestatedKys, wetback.
>>98009137Right half was 12 years ago, now the bearded glasses guy has pink hair, and groomed one of the freaks on the right to play the same shitty "GM's feelings +1d6" game except it features random death on low rolls and a streamlined chargen method where your character is just 2 items and a feeling.
>>98009137>implying the guys on the right didn't exist in 1977The overwhelming majority of games I've randomly joined have been played like that, regardless of what year it was
>>98009137Both styles are still applicable. Style A is for hardcores who want to play something crunchy and unforgiving like Hackmaster and are more in it for the gameplay. Style B is for adventure gamers who prefer the focus on a narrative and role-playing. There's also a whole lot of room in the middle for blending the best of both styles.
>>98009137Just play OD&D like every sane person does.
>>98009795Can I Borrow a Feeling?
>>98009937Only if your buddy consents, and only if the result doesn't offend the author's feelings. Weirdly enough, you can't borrow items though, it mechanically breaks the game, despite how open-ended the RP is.
>>98009941derp
>>98009941I was making a Simpsons Reference...
>>98009823I'm pretty sure its a plummeting literacy rate thing and probably what OP was alluding to. Even when I was in school niggas couldn't read, twice as many couldn't read in the next generation, its basically exponential now and the quality of everything suffers for it. Tabletop is where the most dramatic change has been seen over the years for obvious reasons. Its pretty grim to contemplate, I can't blame anons for dancing around the fact or sperging out like frightened monkeys whenever its brought up.
>>98009937>>98009967I roleplay in a racecar bed, do you?
>>98009994I roleplay at a big table with my friends.
>>98009137The hobby has been more like the right than the left for far longer a time, probably longer than you've been alive. Moreover, both kinds of games have existed together and will continue to exist together. Maybe you should stop being such a fucking little bitch.
>>98009137>now is 1974
>>98009137>me good you bad thread
>>98009137I don't appreciate the disparagement of "hella."
>people still pretending those autistic reality simulators were ever popular.There is a reason why they died down back then just as they do now.
>>98009137Both types of games are fine and most games exist in the middle
>>98011086Reading Elusive Shift changed my mind about so many /tg/ evergreen discussions. Knowing that fat nerds argued the same shit in the 70s with the same snarky rhetoric but instead in zine articles and not online was eye opening.So much of what is supposed to be "good old standard" has been debated and contested since the inception of the genre. Like the old wargamers seething about the fandom people caring more aboit the narrative.
>>98009137D&D 5e, full stop.
>>98009970This is very clearly about OP not liking narrative games and not about literacy.
>>98011098This, I don't think I even saw a system that comes close to the right panel, unless we count party games using cards and shit like that.
>>98009137The fact that people realized that the amount of fun you have with an RPG isn't directly proportional to the amount of autism you put into it, you rancid fuck.
>>98009137When video games were invented and could do all of the simulationist bullshit 100 times better than your autistic ass.
>>98009137The appointment of two literal faggots at the head of 5e, which of course came from wotc getting pozzed to the core.Now you can ask why anything is getting slowly corrupted by genetic deadends and the short answer is modern industrial chemistry.
>>98011086But they literally never stopped increasing in popularity....
a 4chan user doesn't understand people having different preferences? woah.............
>>98009202nobody wants to play your game because your game sucks
>>98009137This is secretly an ACKS thread
>>98011566It actually is, of course.
>>98009137This is a fictional scenario that only takes place in your head at worst, and at best you made it up to troll me. Congratulations, you got my reply, but to what end? Why not make a good thread instead?
>>98009137UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH POST.There is a far higher hobby field for brutal, realistic, mechanically dense and simulationist ttrpg's these days, than in the past.You want to play a game that's hard, that doesn't make your PC arbitrarily more powerful than npc's or enemies? You want a table that supports that play style and loves it? You have more chance finding one these days, than you did in 1977.
>>98011902That explains the threadshitting.
>>98009137World of Darkness bringing the theater kids into the hobby.
>>98009152>Just let us control and change culture as we push you out, chud!
>>98015398The only culture that matters is your table, and only you control that.
>>98015421>how does the decline of society affect you personally?
>>98015461>Comparing a hobby that has always revolved around the individual tables rather than the collective whole to societyAlso, collectivism is a communist ideology.
>>98015421Until someone moves away and you need to recruit someone new. Hard to maintain the Ship of Theseus when most of the new parts don't fit into the old frame and go flying out of your hands if you try to force it into the old shape. Eventually either you have to jump to a new ship and accept the new conditions on board or you have to leave the seas behind.
>>98009202I'm 24 and I love the original version because it's non-pozzed.
>>98015566>Until someone moves awayThe internet and VTTs exist. Distance is no longer an issue.>Hard to maintain the Ship of Theseus when most of the new parts don't fit into the old frame and go flying out of your hands if you try to force it into the old shapeNot if you find people willing too learn, which are in ample supply. If I can get people excited to not only play but run my shitbrew systems, you can get someone to learn and play whatever ancient tomes you have. To say it's impossible or even difficult says more about you as a person than you as a game master.
>>98015398Thank for telling everyone how much of nogames you are, retard.
You could've pushed back on hypocrisy and make it an arduous task but no, you just screamed and yelled and made yourself easy to ignore.
>>98009137>the point of no returnElection tourists flooding this board.We were just recovering from the nazi mod, and before that happened, never-game faggots showed up, talking nonsense and non-gaming stuff
>>98015398Gee, if only you were in absolute control of your own table or something...Imagine fighting a culture war about subject you are completely fucking clueless about and clearly and obviously not participating in the thing you insist you are defending.
>>98009137>1977>"So the limb system, we take damage to each section"What system is this, that existed in 1977?
>>98016399Unless you want to GM yourself, most FLG's are gonna be playing nothing but 5e and maybe PF2E.
>>98016876Yes, that's why you are DMing, right? You're not just a playtoid?
