Once more we have our resident trolls shitting up an OSR thread to argue about how OSR games they dislike aren't OSR. So let's move that topic to where it's on topic.I'll start, Castles and Crusades is the acknowledged first published OSR game. Gary Gygax himself backed it as "true" old school.So why do you think it isn't OSR?
>>98013294It isnt 1E.
Jannies, there's like six "OSR" threads created by this retarded troll simultaneously at this point. Please do something about.
>>98013304Which isn't what OSR is,hell OSR is dominated by BX, clones and neo clones alike
>>98013313Different guy here son, y'all are trolling so hard I made you a thread so you can have the novel experience of being on fucking topic!
>>98013313OSR is a big topic.This one is dedicated to "making the BrOSR trolls look like fucking morons", which is good fun and also educational.It's also because you have a bad habit of flooding the other OSR threads with shitposts to try and make the unusable, so if what you actually want is to have an argument about what games are or are not OSR, this is the place to have them.
>>98013294Acknowledged by fishfag, anyways, not the actual OSR, which started due to the utter failure of C&C. Sorry about your alt-history not taking off.Yet another spammed thread by the board's finest schizo.
>>98013384That's actually something that's provably wrong. You're making a fairly deliberate and idiotic mistake of conflating OSR with OSRIC, ignoring that OSRIC was not even ever all that popular and certainly not the first OSR game.C&C came out of OSR discussions, and was endorsed by Gary Gygax himself as what he considered a true successor to the "old school spirit". Not even just a casual thumbs up, but writing new material and even making C&C the new home for his continuation of the Greyhawk setting.The OSR, being a loose community, predates C&C, and the only thing that came as a direct reaction to C&C was Matt Finch leaving Troll Lord Games and working on OSRIC because he thought what C&C should have been was as direct a clone as possible to 1e, something only a very small minority within the OSR ever thought was a good idea, and that idea has even grown less popular as B/X has become the far more dominant game within the OSR community.Thanks to the dragonsfoot forum still existing and the posts not supporting your story, you're basically staring at cold hard facts and trying to come up with some sort of subjective way to deny history. It's like saying Buzz Aldrin was the first man on the moon because Neil Armstrong doesn't count as a man because he just doesn't, okay?!
>>98013486Kill yourself, fishfag.
>>98013486>blah blah more fishfag alt history blah blah
>>98013486Yeah can't reach a conspiracy nut with facts. Some of us were on those forums and around during that time. I am pretty sure most of the osrg trolls are mid 30s at best. They give the vibe of new converts
>>98013384Acknowledged by the OSR communities as a whole and for those of us where were fucking there. You new guys don't know what you are talking about
>>98013540>us>>98013547>us
>>98013575Yes, but if these are my posts responding to two different posts. I tend to do that as munti posts are a bitch on my phone.Son, you guys see conspires everywhere. That is not heslthy
>>98013604Fuck I mangled that. Let me try againYes, both of these are my posts responding to two different posts. I tend to do that as multi posts are a bitch on my phone.Son, you guys see conspiracies everywhere. That is not healthy
>>98013294>So let's move that topic to where it's on topic.Nah.Boy, you're fuckin' fuming that you can control other posters, aren't you?Too bad, so sad.
>>98013294By the way, the last one of these shitposts you sharted up is still active on the board: >>97964813I don't think posting multiple of these things at once will endear you to the jannies. Maybe this is the kind of shit that leads to you feeling persecuted by the staff?
>>98013656That wasn't me. I did the first one because y'all where trolling Todd. Someone else did 2 and 3. But here is an on topic thread you can post in to your hearts content, but you don't.It goes to show you don't want to have a discussion, you just want to troll.
>>98013642I am aware you are a troll.
>>98013673No one was trolling todd except for you (fishfag) whining that existed without his content because it took away from his attempts to hijack /osrg. That's why it's dead, you absolute bell-end.
>>98013699You should go look at that thread son, because the osrg trolls where hitting it hard. Y'all always do that, you panic over folks having OSR conversations you dislike
>>98013719The projection is strong with this one.
>2e isn't OSR because I define OSR by being not 2e!How do these trolls not understand what they look like.
>>980137928 am pretty sure they are new converts and wasn't around in the early days. They seem to keep pointing to one guys blog like it's holy scripture.
>>98013804To be fair to them, there's not really many sources that agree with their version of reality, so even a straw blog looks like log when you're drowning.
>>98013857True, a fast Google debunks it. Hell there are still dragonfoot pages up from that era
>>98013954That's weird: a quick Ask Jeeves just verified it as 100% truth. No no, take my word for it.
>>98013980Son, we posted screenshots, non of that matters to you.
>>98013990>Son>Y'all Kill yourself you fake hillbilly faggot.Imagine getting btfo so often that you have to adopt a fake redneck persona to try and avoid getting spanked publicly
>>98013990I asked grok and he said the not only is 2e not OSR but that you are also a gigantic faggot
>>98013990Well, foghorn, why don't you share those rootin' tootin' screenshots right now?
>>98013792i genuinely believe this.>>98013804never read that blog. and yeah i'm under 40.it's just...vibes. to me, OSR is effectively B/X, or anything compatible with it (Rules Cyclopedia, retroclones, whatever).i haven't read 2E in over ten years but it had SO MUCH SHIT about weapon speed factors and non-weapon proficiencies and whatever else. i DID read a blog where some guy ran it 100% RAW, and it sounded awful.also i like the original Forgotten Realms and all that Spellplague shit can fuck right off.
Last for 2e is not OSR and fishfag lives in a diarrhea ditch in Bangalore.
>>98013486>C&C came out of OSR discussions, and was endorsed by Gary Gygax himself as what he considered a true successor to the "old school spirit". Not even just a casual thumbs up, but writing new material and even making C&C the new home for his continuation of the Greyhawk setting.I'm completely outside of this sphere of discussion (being a D&D 3.5e fag), but I'm curious about this part.Gary wrote new greyhawk material for C&C?
>>98014939Everyone who loved FR hated the spell plague bullshit. They guy in charge admitted he knew little of FR and hated the setting. Why put that ass hat in charge?Rant over, now to the OSR. It is a vibe, a feeling, something folks want to capture. And no two groups fully agree on how to capture it. BX dominants the OSR scene, but it's not the only type of game. You get 1e and 2e clones along with neo clones and wholely original stuff that's just vaguely linked.What flavor of BX do you play?
>>98014939You're genuinely wrong. OSR was originally, and thus forever, defined as everything pre-WotC.Any other definition is sophistry and faggotry.
>>98019588fishfag desperately trying to start a conversation
>>98019402NTA, but no, he didn't own the rights. What he did do was "Castle Zagyg" which was an update and rework of Castle greyhawk under a new name. He wrote a bunch of stuff, but in 08 his widow pulled the license and a decade long legal battle ensured.As of 2024 they now have the rights to publish that stuff again
>>98019601This poster clearly said to him, OSR was bx. Not that it was only BX, he gave his opinion on what is was.
Follow the other reply chain, kid.
>>98019607He bumps everyone of his shit threads because they die due to lack of conversation despite his totes real non-samefag legion of posters that's desperate to talk about his alt-history of the OSR but are being prevented by the nefarious evil forces of osrg.
>>98019772>I don't existSure, fishfag.Sure.
>>98019735Didn't those "forces" do shit like flooding threads?That seems like dumb chode behavior.
>>98019789It's not flooding, it's cause and effect. If you create a copycat thread to try and take over a general, the regulars of that general will shitpost the fuck out of it, that's just a simple inevitable consequence.Whether you're the good guy in your own mind is immaterial, how hard you seethe is immaterial. There is no general anywhere on /tg/ or the entire board that will just accept a takeover attempt calmly and do nothing.
Y'all think everyone is "fishfag". There are at lest 5 if you trolls and I wouldn't be shocked if fishfag doesn't exist as you call everyone not you fishfag
>>98019789The guy your responding to thinks everyone is one person. Who happens to post in several threads at once, 24 hours a day, every day. Even though it takes at lest 5 people to do it, which he is one of.It makes no logical sense
>>98019895Sure, there's so many of you, and yet somehow all of 5+ of you aren't able to have a single conversation that isn't a bunch of one-liners devoid of any actual content.
>>98019929>at lestThere's at "lest" one self-admitted retard with severe dyslexia who's been posting the same bullshit non-stop, and has never made a single post about games. That ring a bell?
>>98019876Didn't ask. You act like a chode.>>98019929It sounds a lot like shit someone just made up so they can do faggy shit and think people are not gonna see him as a huge fag.
>>98019955Yet, we have. You panic and troll threads harder whenever conversation starts. You are the very thing you accuse everyone else of being
>>98019929>5 peopleAnd yet you've never had a real conversation between yourself, all five of you.And despite there being so many of you went to the mods on IRC and admitted that there's not enough of you to run a general, which is why you've been trying to take /osrg/ over. Proof in picrel.
>>98019976>Yet, we have.A string of ten messages in a row all taking the form"I like [setting], it has [monster in setting]."is not a conversation, you literal fucking retard.
>>98019975There are about 5 of them based on posting styles and timezones patterns. It wouldn't shock me if they shared a discord as it's a very orginzed trolling campaign
>>98019975>Didn't ask.I accept your concession.
>>98019980No, you get confused easy son. There are about 5 of you osrg trolls. I don't give a fuck about your echo chamber safe space. Have at it son. But you can't stop coming into other threads to troll.
>>98019993>It wouldn't shock me if they shared a discord as it's a very orginzed trolling campaignYou're so retarded it's exceedingly easy to bully you, trigger you, and gang rape you, idiot.
>>98020000>But you can't stop coming into other threads to troll.This is just moral yapping, it doesn't matter what your justification is or how good it is in your own mind for making a copycat general. I'm talking about cause and effect. If you create a copycat general, the regulars of the general will shitpost the fuck out of it, that's just a simple inevitable consequence. Whether you're the good guy in your own mind is immaterial, how hard you seethe is immaterial. There is no general anywhere on /tg/ or the entire board that will just accept a takeover attempt calmly and do nothing.
>>98020000>echo chamber safe spacelmao you've admitted that you're an rpg.net faggot (proof in picrel), you've admitted that you've only started posting last february, and you call 4chan a safe space?
>>98020007>moral yappingNTA, but that's what >>98019876 is. But just really dumb morals. Some sort of twisted dumbass attempt to justify why you act the way you do but it boils down to "REEEEEE THIS IS MY BOARD MY BOARD REEEEEEEEE."
>>98020040>attempt to justify why you act the way you doHistory is written by the winners, and the BrOSR has been winning every battle and celebrating by gang raping you no-stop since you showed up on this site. So yeah, what we do is justified, you're our bitch, and we'll keep raping you until you like it.
>>98020075Who you posting to? Who's gonna read your shit and go oh yeah this guy definitely seems like a real winner.Do you even read your own shit?
>>98020112You're pretty when you cry.
So far I know of 3 2e OSR game, for gold and Glory, might&magic and I just found crypts and tunnels. I feel there is another somewhere.Does anyone know of any more?
>>98020248name a more iconic duo than 2etards and collecting instead of playing games
>>98020298Osrg trolls shitting up threads as they jack each other off
>>98020330Yeah, we love jacking each other off. I can jack you off too if you want. I'm really good at giving handjobs.
>>98013313>Bawwwww Jannies please help they're talking about traditional games on /tg/Fucking faggot
>>98020413The goal of those trolls is to kill any OSR talk outside of osrg, which they are gatekeeping
>>98020437>Sherlock fishfag still hasn't figured out what's actually going on.Hilarious.
>>98020443is FATAL osr?
the nightshift osrg troll is active
>>98020878If a few trolls could dedicate so much energy into being so butthurt, I wonder how much energy they would put into propping up an otherwise dead general?
>>98020916they do that when they're not trolling. the /osrg/ is always much slower well another thread is being trolled
>>98020916They put a lot into trolling. The night shit one has made like 30 comments to himself. He just keeps talking to himself. It's his nightly ritual at this point. Poor guy has no life
>>98013294C&C isn't a retroclone, simple as.
>>98020944At this point I think the osrg is a few guys having conversations with themselves
>>98020952No, it's a neoclone. But was the first published OSR game. Most OSR games are not pure up clones
>>98020015I love how he admitted to coming here from Reddit back in February, does not know anything about the osr or the culture of it here, and yet is accusing us of being "new converts".This dude is a literal religious Pilgrim trying to forcefully convert us, despite the fact that he's too stupid to realize that he is drastically outnumbered he is drastically outnumbered
>>98020112Who is going to help you when you are laying on the ground getting continuously anally raped by the brOSR?
>>98020248None of that is osr
>>98020988It in fact is, it just goes against your false holy script
>>98020978The funniest part is that he keeps crying, pissing and shitting himself when the fact that he's drastically outnumbered inevitably means he gets rekt and his shitty troll threads get crashed.>noooooo you can't do this to meeeeeeee stop postiiiiiing go awaaaaay
>>98020957Nope! Wrong. C&C isn't an OSR game.
>>98021079History disagrees with you, as did GG himself. I know reason and fact can't get though your ideology
>>98020957>No, it's a neocloneWhat does that even mean?
>>98021133A neoclone is the term they used in the early days of OSR to separate from pure copies, which are retroclones. A neoclone isn't a pure copy, but a mix of more modern mechanics to recreate pre 3e game play.C&C is a mix of d20 and ad&d. It used some stuff from d20, but kept the balance that of pre 3e games.Basically if the game has any mechanical changes of modern origin, that is a neoclone
