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>>98027074>TQImperial Guard. Homebrew regiment.Too many different drinks I like but right now I like apple cider, fruit punch vodka, chocolate milk and water with ice.
This is the ideal krork body, you may disagree with it, but this is what peak old one engineering looks like.
>>98027093He's perfect, look at his dapper self at the alleged correct size.
>>98027074>TQorks and gscwild ales & pastry stouts
Let Chaos idols take this thread!
>>98027074>What's your 40k army and favorite beverage?orkscoke
I like orks :D>>98027074>TQorks and alani energy drinks
>>98027074>tsons>most types of tea
Surprising lack of diet soda for a general where the average weight of a poster is probably pushing 400
>>98027093>>98027099>absolutely massive>psychic >extremely intelligent >commanded by even more intelligent leadersgenuine question, what’s the point of eldar being created as a fighting force when krorks exist?
>>98027074>What's your 40k army and favorite beverage?Guard, Caffine free Pepsi
>>98027226its a large galaxy, its possible they had multiple points of view among their kin
>>98027074>TQAdMechDiet Coke
>>98027226greenskins are a weaponelves/humans/etc are an experiment
>TQVotannCoffee
>>98027226doesn't matter, even as a last measure weapon krorks couldn't do much and the war in heaven ended not soon after
>>98027224I drink the fuck out of coke zero these days, which isn't great but its more or less my only real vice
>>98027074>TQCSM, Arnold Palmer.
>>98027074>TQImperial Agents. Occasionally Oops all Death WatchSingle origin espresso then every 14 days too much miller lite
>>98027074>TQToo many. Admech main.Pic rel. Tastes kinda like battery acid. Compels me though.
>>98027074DaemonsWaterThis question feels like corporate trying to fish for new product tie-ins to sell.
>>98027074>TQ>PicrelArizona green Tea and Corona zero alcohol.
>>98027288Ditto. I know it will kill me one day but it's the one break from an otherwise disciplined meal routine that I allow myself. The caffeine addiction has gotten real bad though. I spend more on soda than on plastic and hobby supplies each year.
>>98027301>WaterC’mon, you can do better than that.
>>98027308No, absolutely not. I'm not terminally out of energy like other people so I don't need this other shit.
>>98027304Jesus christ how many marine kits do you fucking own?Also I see you've switched to a brighter red
>>98027226The Eldar were made to bootstrap their own set of gods as bespoke warp entities. The Eldar's pantheon was the real weapon, the actual elves were just a means to instantiate that.
>>98027326To be fair, they are still doing that. We've had what, two new gods in the last 10000 years out of them?
>>98027307I'll try cut back if you do anon
>>98027093Looks too scaly for my liking.
>running low on ak terrain paste 250 ml>people online saying you can just make your own with a little wall filler, sand and paintThe end result is less than satisfactory. I wish the internet wasn't full of people posting dumb 'life hacks' that are more trouble than just buying the actual goods.
>>98027342being a kro(r)k instead of a (kr)ork must account to something
>>98027341I tried once already. I can't do it with young kids. My sleep schedule is just too fucked right now. When they get a little older I'll try again.
>>98027337That's the main justification for my schizo theory. Eldar seem unusually attuned for warp-god-generation. Plus it mirrors the Krorks going wrong resulting in Orks nicely with eldar going wrong resulting in Slaanesh.
>>98027093What's the difference between Orks and Krorks? Lorelet question
>>98027226>>psychicnothing in comparison to the eldar, especially when you consider the elves were completely free from their current constraints and that most psychic potential or the orks is used in their gestalt field, krorks might have worked similarly, with their psychic powers being used mainly for coordination and powering their very much physical machines and weapons.so orks were physical warfare, and elves psychic warfare.
>>98027322I own enough.This pic is old, I’ve done a bunch and painted a bunch since I took it.
>>98027074world eaterscoffee(+ milk)
Reminder that MILLIONS of people must die for 40k to become grimdark again, and all of them are people who have used the term "grimderp" unironically to push for a gay heroic setting going back to the 2000's.
>>98027371Sold a bunch*
>>9802738540k should go the way of Nobledark.Hopefully another loyalist Primarch or Star Child can bring us there.
>>98027368We don't know much, it's mostly speculation from very limited and vague mentions.But during the war in heaven orks were called krorks, at the time they were under the control of a leader caste that might have been the ancestors to 40k's goblins.After or during the war something happened and the krorks overthrew their leaders and slowly degenerated into orks.It is said the krorks were massive, one specimen that is kept in stasis somewhere in the galaxy is said to reach 12 meters and is clad in a type of power armor more advanced than the ones the imperium produces.
>>98027389You have to die for the good of this hobby. You and your ilk cannot be allowed to fester, as just one of you ascending to the status of Ascended Fan and writing for GW would result in 40k becoming Disney Star Wars.
>>98027074>TQOrks, Strands, GSC, AdMech. I like San Pellegrino sparkling juice.
>>98027389There will be no noble aspirations or promising futures. Only crumbling and cascading infrastructure failures and a Gordian Knot of logistical compromises.
>>98027368the latter were way bigger and smarter, but were not in charge of themselves
>>98027405You need meds.
>>98027385you are never getting what you're longing for back, the smell of dosh and way of the world forbid it and you yourself are also a part of the problem
Beserks; Mole gun or no mole gun? Mole guns are cool but I kinda want to go all hammers, unless that limits the use of the unit too much
>>98027426Not if someone firebombs Warhammer World. If people shoot up the Las Vegas open. If fans can take action, we can have it all back. You just have to make the people in charge afraid.
>>98027439
>>98027368>>98027400For clarity on the speculation part, we still don't have hard confirmation on the connection between Ork and Krork. We know the Krork were a weaponized uplifted species utilized by the Old Ones during the War in Heaven, we know they fought in a very brutal manner contrasting to the Eldar and Old Ones, and we know they grew to enormous sizes.Then we have legends from the Orks themselves about the early days of their species, which refer to how Orks used to be a bit more like the other races of the galaxy, and then two varying accounts of how that changed: one says Orks used to be as intelligent as humans and eldar, but frequently consumed a particular fungus that went extinct and after they went long enough without eating it, Orks started thinking a lot more simply. A second version claims that Orks were how they are now, but had a caste of greenskins that led them called "brainboyz", who were eventually overwhelmed and cast down by the Orks and disappeared.There is room for those two versions to overlap - "brainboyz" could have indeed been a specific caste of krork allowed access to an intelligence enhancing fungus by the Old Ones to serve as leaders for the horde, whose leadership faltered either in the face of a mass uprising or loss of the fungus (presumably that only the Old Ones could provide). Some other popular interpretations place the Old Ones as the Brainboyz, which would put an interesting spin on the final days of the War in Heaven as it could mean the Necrons were in part aided by the Krork. Alternatively, there is some questions around Snotlings and their markedly lower intelligence than their greenskin peers and if they might be the degenerated remnants of the upper caste having been deprived of their intelligence increasing fungus.
>>98027385I’m unsure if millions need to outright die, but unironically the sentiment is true. we need back to back nixons, reagans, and thatchers to begin getting nerds to start writing good dystopian shitholes again.
>>98027439then it collapses and falls resulting in your own small stench bubble of elements that you like that you introduce people to, but nothing stops you from doing that already
>>98027439Hey man. You doing OK?
>11th datasheets look exactly the same as 10th'sThis is my personal 9/11
>>98027507land speeders had a 10th DS?
>>98027523I'm talking about the design of the datasheets, not the numbers.
DeathguardWater
>>9802753311th edition is the first edition where GW has to realize the people who made the gold mine are gone. You will feel the bland like never before.
>>98027537>screenshot >instagram post erm
>>98027448>BrainboyzGrots?
>>98027507i'm the only one that don't like that mek walker? and i'm saying this as someone that likes the whole ork half and despise the marine half.
>>98027448what if the brainboyz were the ork name for the old ones
>>98027557I dont like it either. Its a solid miss for me and will likely sit unbuilt and used to kit bash something more fun. Sad that it will probably be OP and pushed to sell
>>98027538The fact they are retreading two Armageddon wars in a row and had to bring back the exact same players for each really shows that they are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
This was fun but jesus fuck I need a break from painting
>>98027571I feel like the starter box contents never stay meta for very long. For one, their rules are usually designed first in the edition and get power crept very quickly. For another thing, they're always easy to build and lacking options. So if they get a multi-part kit later, it will probably include a new better option than whatever was in the starter box to push sales. And for a third thing, the entire marketing ploy is to get people to start the army with these units and then buy a bunch of new ones and eventually replace all of them.
>>98027385The people using the word grimderp have a point because a lot of grimderp 40k stuff is pointing out actual legitimate bad writing like anything involving The Grey Knights or having grim moments caused by sheer stupidity rather than actual sadistic shit.Hell, the whole age of apostasy is just peak grimderp because all of the shit that happened just sounds like trying to be edgy for the sake of being edgy without a single ounce of cohesiveness, which says a lot about Soroitas lore if anything, since any other faction is proper grimdark.
>>98027583why is she trying to do the anime finger touch?
>>98027434You do realise you still get your hammer or axe attacks for the model that takes the mole gun right?
>>98027074TQ: Imperial Guard, black coffee.
>>98027590>the age of apostasy is LE GRIMDERP because human beings are depicted as not being HYPERLOGICAL BEINGS!kill yourself
>>98027574The mix of bottom scraping with the requisite of using existing IP will never cease to amaze me. Anyone who isn't a yesman/fanboy can see this isn't gonna be good. Not because it cannot be good, as someone with a tinge of passion could make an Nth return to armageddon as something interesting, but because current GW cannot make it good.
That is certainly a look.
>>98027590yeah that isn't grimderp. grimderp is half of every tempestus scion class being forced to kill the other half just before they graduate
>>98027410Real estate in Commorragh must cost a fucking fortune
>>98027593The pose just showed off the weaponsIt's magnetized so that's not how it will be foreverNow I just have to go paint the weapon options
>>98027590>AoA is peak grimderpReal life is more grimderp than the Age of Apostasy. There have been sillier, bloodier and more contrived schisms in the last 1k years alone
>>98027602abhorrent picture aside>rogue instead of voguejej
big fucker in terminator armor is my favorite genre of mini
>>98027074>TQLeagues of Votanna cold refreshing Coors Banquet
>>98027602Where is the War Zone Koronus campaign book? I thought Owlcat had made Rogue Trader popular.
>>98027604There's like infinite space in the streets and slums of the outskirts where the labyrinth lurkers, mind eating fog, warp beasts, soul parched husks, shadow ghouls, and demons prey. It's the inner city spires and ports beneath the captive suns that cost entire planets worth of bounty to secure.
>>98027574I mean they were Obviously going to Creed Yarrick until everyone got pissed he was off screened. She was supposed to be the replacement with the power fist and special vehicle.
>>98027345I've been planning to try that basing recipe out. What's bad about it?
>>98027646I wonder if they are going to Creed by of the other missing characters who haven't gotten updates recently. Like I can totally see Malys was originally planned to be female Vect with his ex-wife taking over Commorragh. They even redid all the army in her blue colors instead of the black heart scheme.
>>98027603That's not grimderp that's just TUFF
>>98027617And that's why this game should shift point towards hopecore, life is grimdark enough, let this toy soldier game be a little better.
>>98027597>tokyoHow's the Warhammer scene in Japan?Are the players of the most supreme nation better in conducting themselves than us western plebians? Is actual effort put into their terrain on the tabletop?Please say yes. I need hope.
>>98027074Chaos space marines, iron warriorsBison Grass Vodka
>>98027720get better bait anon
>>98027727The scene is smaller, but rapidly growing (much like in the whole world I guess). Most people I talked to prefer games where the theme and setting comes first and then a balanced game, but of course you have turbo faggots here too who just want to win.Tokyo has the largest scene since it's the hub for the whole country, but Osaka and the community around the Fuji Warstorm shop are great places too.
>Open YouTube video about tournament results>Be greeted with thisHow is it even possible for a human being to be this egg shaped?
>>98027826Oh hi mister humpty dumpty.
>>98027668Probably was the case.
>>98027826ITS CHEWSDAY INNIT?God this guy looks like he screams as his normal indoor voice
>>98027826Eggmaxed skull to fit all the mlgpro 40k strats.
We got any more 11th edition leaks yet? Shouldn't the rule books be leaking pretty soon if they're in the start boxes and preorders are opening in 4 weeks?
>>98027826its a gag on his channel, he intentionally uses filters to make his head look fucked up and egg shaped in his videos, but there are videos of him where he’s doing collabs and at conventions where his head is (relatively) normal.
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98027876i like to think that most of the women in rank-and-file kabals are just clones who lost petty debts on raids with clones of themselves
>>98027876GW wouldn't show this nowadays because it'd make 3rd party copies easier
>>98027876I'm scared bros. They're gonna fuck up a bunch of great kits that still hold up.
>>98027898Do you own those kits? If the answer is yes, you can simply elect to not buy remakes of them. If the answer is no, what are you waiting for?
>>98027074>TQGuardHonestly anything involving White Grapes. White Wine, White Grape Juice, and so on.
>>98027074>TQNight LordsVery cold water
>>98027074>TQBlack Templars and Tyranids, and pic related
>>98027939>>98027898Yeah, see, I don't get this mentality either. If you love the current kits, then buy them. If you don't think you will like the new kits, you don't have to buy them. For an established faction collector new kits can only mean new options. For someone not sure about the current range, new kits are a chance to give you something you might like more.
>>98027951>Very cold waterChad. Those fucks who warn about "much vagal spasm" are just scaredy weenies
>>98027876Bro's been feeling it since 7E lmao. Almost a decade...>>98027886Is it a clone if you get regrown from a severed finger, and the other is destroyed x.x
>TQSalamandersMy spiced rum
>>98027557It feels like a mounted model every aos starter gets instead of a vehicle.
I think the most important think to ask about Kroks is their personality. If Orkz are british football hoooligans who go "CAM ON GHAZGUL, KRUMP SOME FOOKIN WORLDS", would Kroks be the other side of the british stereotype and be absolutely tophat monocle wearing push gentlemen who instead of saying "need more dakka", they'd say "i humbly request an increase in rapid-fire weaponry" (the moinstrosity that emerges from Krork Dakka would be using stompa-tier dakka as sluggas)
>>98027990pretty sure the vat half-born can be considered clones with enough haemonculi fuckery
>>98028018I think it would be better if they went from screaming retards to more intelligent savagesFrom>CAM ON GHAZGUL, KRUMP SOME FOOKIN WORLDSto>We're gonna kill ya. That's just the way it is, the way we are. There's nothing you say or do that will stop us. We'd like ya to put up a fight but if you don't, I'm sure someone else will.
>>98028021In vitro gestation would also count as vat born, even though it's a different genome from the parents. Hence not a clone
I am hungry for IG and Tau. I wish they could be combined.IG field artillery and HWTs, Tau crisis suits. No Riptides nor Ogryns.
>>98027964i need to get some mandres but i wonder if there is some cool non-gooner proxy/substitute
I wish they had gone with angron killing yarrick and ghazgkull seeking revenge on angron. Was cooler than what we got.
>>98027099I assume the Eldar were also more powerful during the War in Heaven era.If there were “High Eldar” with greater psychic potential in the past, that would fit into the general Elvish themes of decay and fall from grace.
Krorks are Redditslop
>>98028062Cool as that may be, the point of armageddon is to be a pilgrimage point for all Orkz to go have a propa foight in that planet, chasing angron into the warp is just not propa fight, warp travel is flight entretainment for when a boy rolls down the windows and lets a daemon get in, not a place to go roll up a proper wagh. Unless you're Tuska Daemonkilla who'll just continue to stay in the warp like that.
>>98028062Sorry, you can't have a Xenos v Chaos warzone plot. Chaos exists only to fight the Imperium.
>TQDark EldarTea. Probably specifically Lapsang Souchong, but depends on my mood.>>98028060Artel has some nice ones. Though 1/5 has it's tits out, but they're not detailed to really titilate.
>>98028079From a out-of-universe perspective, I don’t understand why there aren’t any Chaos Orkz/Chaos Eldar models. Chaos Ratlings. Maybe even Chaos Tyranids, or at least Chaos Genestealers. I know there are lore reasons why these aren’t common, but lore can change. “The great rift has made the pull of Chaos even stronger, such that even races with innate resistance to its taint have started to fall under its spell.”Chaos should feel chaotic and heterogeneous, having everyone be human or demon feels counterproductive.
>TQOrks. High Life.
>>98027226>what’s the point of eldar being created as a fighting force when krorks exist?They didn'tWar in Heaven was long, Eldar and some two other randoms were created first. Old Ones were tearing Necrons a new one due to superior logistic thanks to a Webway.Krorks and Jokaero were deployed near the end, once Necrons were allied with C'tan already and breached Webway. It was too late by then, Warp was defiled and fucked up due to negative emotions and Enslavers appeared and genocided Old Ones.
>>98028067There is not a single aspect of 40k that this generally does not regularly accuse of being reddit
>>98027550Yes i screenshotted my own instagram post because i dont have the original photos on this phone
>>98028018That's funnyWhat's funnier if it's not their instincts to behave and talk like that but rather just what they're forced to be by their overlords and just wanted to be boys mucking about all along
>>98028076You don't need to do that tho, they had angron on armageddon recently. The stage was perfectly set for it to happen.
Hmmm do I really need 3 deff dreads?
>>98027964why are you mandrakemaxxing
>Vostroyan stuff up for preorder next week.This is the first time any of the Made to Order stuff has interested me at all. How's the quality on the MTO stuff usually?
>>98027898>>98027939You cannot improve on the ravager, its design is perfect. There is no need to change kabalites, they released a new team for them in 2023 anyway. If GW has any brains the updates will focus on the squatted resin, haemonculi, the tantalus and VECT.
>>98028115i believe there was some old ass eldari daemon princes but they were such a one-off blurbs and getting there is kinda a hassle now since most of them arose during slaanesh's birththere are potential chaos orks in blood axes but once they break the military larp they're likely killed
>>98027074>TQMarines, CSM, Orks. I have more armies but I'm trying to sell those.Non alcoholic favorite is chocolate milkFavorite alcoholic drink is rum and coke
>>98028018>the moinstrosity that emerges from Krork Dakka would beI think one important distinction that must be made about ork tech is that their tech currently looks the way it does because they scavenge and repurpose the most abundant scraps around, human scrapswhile at the end of the day orks are somewhat like jokaeros: instinctively capable at retrofitting any sort of tech they find.and at the time of the war in heaven, that would have been necron technology, with gork knows what kind of energy fields required to make it not phase out or reassemble itself out of their grasp.and comes to think of it, necrons having army wide nanomachines and phase-out technology was probably the result of an escalating arms race against the scavenging, looting and mimicry of their tech by the ancient orks in the first place.
>>98028115See, the original Realms of Chaos implied this, and it would be awesome, but GW is too lame to do it, and marine fans would throw a shit fit for Chaos getting "too many models" and "chaos being OP in lore" even though Chaos has always been that powerful since its introduction in those books
>>98028115>From a out-of-universe perspectiveChaos doesn't sell enough to have a spiky version of everything and 40000 is better understood not as a setting with multiple factions each with their interactions with all others, but a setting about the imperium with a few satellite enemy factions that first and foremost interact with the imperium, that's it.
>>98028218>marine fansmarinefags ruin everything
>>98028067Only the fanart that makes them as eldar-like or human-like as possible, that's crap.
>>98028230 I refuse to believe there are enough Space Marine fans out there to justify the focus on that faction
>>98028246you're retarded thenmarines outsell the entire game combined
>>98028246There aren't, but there's a vicious cycle going on that makes gw WANT there to be, because the more marinefags there are the more sales of their starter products and the more newfags falling into collecting this one larger range of models, and the more customers there are after marine releases the more they sell whenever they release any given one marine product, leading to a larger range of marines, leading to a better pitfall for newcomers, leading to gw wanting marines to be the posterboys so as many newfags are funneled into them.
>>98028246The thing is that Marines are the lowest common denominator. Everyone has some marines, both marineonlyfags and players of other factions
>>98028266I understand the stats but unless there are places where there’s SM players and no one else it doesn’t add up. This is anecdotal but in my local area the #1 army is probably Death Guard then Orks.
>>98028266That's one dumb exaggeration.
>>98028198>first timeThis is the second time they have been MtOIf you really want them in metal, go ahead, otherwise I can guarantee you the scans of these are somewhere on the web
>>98028198it varies depending on the MTO. Some of the stuff for TOW was good, but others were pretty bad
>>98028216So no dakka dakka dakka but zappa zappa zappa?
>>98028282it's true
>>98028200Your response has very little bearing on what I said. If you like the Ravager so much, buy one before it gets potentially remade, and then you will be completely immune to if it gets "ruined".
>>98028299then go ahead and post proofs.
>>98028237I mean a lot of the abandonment of original 40k fluff is to appease marinefags. For example:>warp travel takes so long that subfactions are physically restricted to their own galactic regions due to AGE OF SAIL IN SPACE, to the point that the ultramarines needed to have their own honor company made up for the Eye of Terror campaign to reasonably participate because the main chapter is in Ultramar? Undone because marinefags want their special boys to go anywhere at any time to fight anyone and kick their shit in. >horus heresy is a forgotten time of legends that's just a background for why chaos marines existing and a reason for imperial titan models to fight each other? Undone, now the entire setting revolves around it because it's about marines and marinefags are paypiggies, then doubled down by reviving loyalist primarchs in 40k AKA SUPER DUPER MARINE DADDIES as main characters>marines as superhuman but ultimately mortal warriors who die in droves in every conflict and aren't mowing down hundreds of enemy combatants every battle? undone because marinefags buy books about marines being capeshitters and vidya games where marines kill carnifexes with their bare hands>"forget the power of science and technology, for so much been lost, never to be relearned" is undone by Cawl in the service of space marines getting new shit>the imperium being a grimdark crumbling edifice of staggering proportions, run by fallible, flawed human beings and being doomed to a slow and painful decline? Undone because SPACE MARINES are Imperials, and marinefags demand that marines be reasonable and noble and heroic capeshitters, which means most imperials in most stories are depicted as reasonable and noble individuals>Chaos as a random, chaotic assortment of different species, creatures, and mortals working under the whims of the powers of darkness? No fuck you, they're PRIMARILY space marines now because marinefags need to have the entire setting revolve around them
>TQI run Black Legion and drink flavored tonic water.
>>98028291
>>98028302>buy one??????I already have a dark eldar army, dongus.
>>98027074TQ:Favourite army? I more of a AOS fag fo Seraphon and Daughters of Khaine there Either Dark Eldar or Imperial Guard Favourite Bevrage?Either water or Moster energy (Mango and Classic)
>>98028189Memelist for Kabalite Cartel infiltrating them all up front, the redeploying with Malys and running down the enemy with them as a screen for Incubi and Hellions.Did an ass load of damage and tabled several opponents but lost on points.
>>98028246If there were actually enough marinefags to justify the amount of shit they get, then you would see entire local 40k communities where everyone plays space marines and nothing else save for like one guy who plays orks or something, which i have never witnessed. In fact, there was a phenomenon around 4th ed where there was a SHITLOAD of ork players EVERYWHERE. Wargamer Fritz has told a story where in 2006, he and his buddy traveled around the US participating in various tournaments as a road trip, and "all we fought was orks. It was the green tide." Ork players fucking influenced the 3rd ed Eye of Terror campaign to the point of changing the canon, look up Da Green Krusade
>>98028356>GW doesn't want you to know about Da Ork Mafiashhhh.
>>98028319I never thought about it like that, but holy shit it holds up
>>98028246>starter box>edition launch boxlikely both attributed to marines>test new schemes and techniquesmarines>more elaborate casualities for everyone elsemade from marines>dioramas and display shelvesmarines
>cover now provides -1 to hit rather than lower AP>psychic weapons ignore hit modifiersfeels good shadow wizard money gang
>>98028246>>98028356its not about how many fans they have, its about how many models the average fan buys and how tolerant they are of shitty models. ork players will pass up the 9th edition boyz and beast snaggas because they don’t like them, but marine players will buy desolators and centurions all day which makes them easier to appeal to.
>>98028390At least psychic actually fucking does something now
>>98028356Orks are made fer fighting AND winning.
>>98027538I just don't get why, if you're a talentless hack, you wouldn't copy the good versions instead of the bad ones? The datasheet layout from 4th to 7th is better in every way to the garbage layout and graphic design in 10th.
>>98028431what does it do.
>>98028474Because you don't know they're good and instead want to make what you think is good, while listening to the tournament crowd on balance and bitching about options.
>>98028489Nobody thinks the 10th edition datasheets are good and the tournament crowd couldn't care less about datasheet formatting or graphic design.
>>98028346NTA but based
>>98028493No games comment right here folks.
>>98028479Anon how retarded are you
>>9802849310th edition is fine and 10.5 will be an improvement upon itmillions must touch grass
>>98028515I play marines so yes, but my psykers do nothing.
Any World Eaters players here? how do you deal with 8bound being so monopose? I was looking to get into WE because they're pretty elite but their model range is small and the fact I'd be running 12+ guys with the same 3 poses is putting me off
>>98028526psychic is changing in 11th, read >>98028390
>>9802852110.5 will exist until the tournament players end up getting shot by narrative players who desire a 40k game system where when a krak missile hits the side of a Leman Russ and penetrates the armor, it kills the vehicle via a crew kill. Where krak grenades aren't a strategem! Where special characters require your opponent's permission to take! Where Your Dudes are KING!!!! GW will be too terrified to appease the tournament crowd any longer. DEATH!!!! DEATH IS HOW THIS CAN BE ACHIEVED!!!!
Greenskins don't want you to know this, but they buy a lot of marine stuff as much as marineslurpers.
>>98028097Can confirm, Artel W Mandrakes are BALLER. I bought 2 squads of them while Mandrakes were still in range rotation before the Kill Team came out, and I love them to bits.I did one squad with the masks, and one without. Would highly recommend them. Just be prepared tk wait Art W international shipping waiting times are ABYSMAL
>>98028390What about +1 to hit modifiers?
>>98028521We're talking about the datasheet formatting my dude.>>98028499Get lost Cruddace.
>>98028550>We're talking about the datasheet formatting my dudeand? the 10th ones are fine as I said
>>98028544memes aside FAR more Orks players are buying Yarrick then actual Militarum players
>>98028572Nnononono, i mean that orkzies buy beakies because they're ''looting''.Desolators look like fisher-price toys, but for an Otk? Look at that massive gaudy ass weapon and tell me that shit's not turning some boy into a proper flashgit
>>98028572for decoration, right?
>>98028319>>Chaos as a random, chaotic assortment of different species, creatures, and mortals working under the whims of the powers of darkness? No fuck you, they're PRIMARILY space marines now because marinefags need to have the entire setting revolve around themI believe in the Imperialization of Chaos is the ultimate goal of the Emperor and the point of the setting. The Emperor plans to rewrite all of the Immaterium into his image. Abaddon the Loyalist, his greatest ally, is secretly into this plan. This is why he chose the name Imperium Nihilius, to retain the name Imperium.Together, all of Chaos will become theirs. Khorne will wake up on his Golden Skull Throne, not realizing there's anything wrong. Tzeentch will be unable to shapeshift in any form but Space Marines. The only drugs going through Slaanesh will be performance enhancers for Space Marines. Nurgle's Nurglings have already started wearing human hats. The process has begun and cannot be stopped. Besides Daemons, all Chaos on tabletop is already Chaos Imperium. Eventually there will only be Chaos Imperium. Then there will be no Chaos without Imperium.It's already working marvelously. The poster children for Chaos are CSM who fight with Bolters, Plasma, and other Imperial weapons. No Chaos Xenos exist. Daemons will be squatted and soon all Chaos will be Imperium + Spikes.Chaos will become Imperialized. Just imagine what this means, the Immaterium composed of thoughts from countless universes, all being Imperium. This means across all realities, it's impossible to even THINK of non-Imperial things. This is the Emperor's goal.
Does Celestine always look the same no matter what covenant summons her?
>>98028589I'm playing him straight as a Warboss model and I dare anyone to challenge me
>>98028565They are fucking awful like everything they copy from AoS. 9th's were infinitely better.
>>98028605Sometimes she has pubic hair sticking onto her face, other times shes seen wearing assless chaps onto the battlefield with questionable weapons embedded into her orifices.
>>98028319>>"forget the power of science and technology, for so much been lost, never to be relearned" is undone by Cawl in the service of space marines getting new shitBut muh mechanicus!
>>98028617>9th's were infinitely better.Oh we're baiting baiting. Are you the same dude who doesnt understand why gw wont ever copy from HH for 40k?
>>98028633How the fuck are they not copies from AoS? They follow the exact same format.
>>98028645uh oh, has the script deviated too much for you to stick to now? Fuck off retard.
>>98028651Are you retarded?
>>98028328Then what do you care? That's my whole point.
Play Necromunda.
>>98028730all of its resin is gone so I cant.
>>98028730I do wish 40k rules and terrain were more like necromunda. I'm making a necromunda style board for 11th.
>>98028730Sadot after 2018 they stopped translating it to spanish and the rules are scattered into a dozen books so there's no real scene around me.
>>98028628Making new tanks and modifying existing tanks/ships is not the same as solving the grav-tank problem for marines and creating an entire arsenal of new equipment for the special boys. Nevermind the retarded faggotry that is The Great Work ("tyranids aren't actually a huge threat after all, we can undo what makes them scary as a faction!" Fuck you, Guy Haley, you hack.)
I am quite fond of chaos space marines
>>98028319You say it's to "appease marinefags" when reality no marinefag ever asked for this.GW just did this shit on its own because it's jus the natural life cycle of any long running IP.>creators that consist of a small group of friends who share similiar interests and hobbies (Jes, Priestley, Blanche all being old school nerds who love scifi and history)>they get together and create their own setting to have with and play around in (WHF and 40k get created which take obvious inspiration from they like)>as the IP gets bigger and bigger, it becomes a business, meaning money gets involved>as the IP gets bigger hires on more new people to help with work load of creating new stuff and running the business (the people hired often are not friends and don't share similiar interests as original creators)>as years go by the setting starts to change and starts to get influenced by the new people who were hired>as decades go by employees change and get replaced>eventually even the original creators start to leave, be it boredom, not agreeing with the direction or just plain dying even>eventually none of the original crew who made *Thing* are working at the business, meaning the entire original point and message has been lost now>as the business keeps chugging forward the business will start to inevitably change the IP into what it was never meant to be because the people who are in charge literally don't know any better due to being so far removed from the OG creators (enshittification begins/is well underway)>eventually the IP becomes a completely unrecognizable compared to what it used to beWhat I spelled out here is basically the same as theory about how every Great Civilization has a FIXED life expectancy. Which is about 250 years give or takeEvery nation eventually topples because the people who founded IT, will be GONE, and eventually the nation is so far removed from the original ideals of its foundation that it crumbles. And the cycle begins a new
>>98028780>Making new tanks and modifying existing tanks/ships is not the same as solving the grav-tank problem for marinesIt is the same. Because it's just the same old shit what mechanicus has always done.They take 2 different technologies and just weld them together and then pretend that it is a "new" thing.Like how do you think combi weapons exist?Cawl "invented" about as much as an ork mek who just welded random shit together and called it a "gud 'un".
>>98027074>TQBlood AngelsMonster
>>98028174>>98028018>they talked like posh englishmen because they were mimicking their brainboys overlords>the brainboys grew haughty and arrogant when the old ones disappeared and caused the krorks to rebel>people think ork "nob" came from "noble", but the ancient krorks were a caste of warriors and servants, not rulers or nobility>the ancient equivalent to ork nobs weren't krork nobles, they were the bodyguards of the nobles, the brainboys>only these bodyguard warriors grew to towering heights, the rest of the krorks were smaller menial labourers and engineers, wORKers>the sound noble also degenerated into goblin
>>98028859>no marinefag ever asked for thisYes, they did, and they will bitch endlessly about exceptions to this. Why else do you think they get extremely upset when they see their special boys lose? Or when they see a novel or sourcebook description of the Imperium being grim and dark (such as agri-worlds in lords of silence, or the "85% of worlds have hives on them, and 10-25% of those are actual hive worlds" statement in the 8th ed Urban Conquest sourcebook) and go "NOOOO!!! IT SHOULD BE MORE REASONABLE!!!" Or bitch and moan about chaos or the tyranids or the necrons or fucking orks being "overpowered in lore" because they don't get roflstomped 24/7 in lore and are all-but-stated to be threats that will eventually bring down the Imperium (and thus, their special boys, the space marines)? Why do you think they clamor for more primarchs tonreturn and welcome the idea of the setting becoming warped around them? These people don't want 40k, they want Halo, or possibly the fucking MCU in the case of Primarchs, with a 40k skin on top. They want power fantasy, full stop, not a wargaming setting made from things the original creators liked.>eventually none of the original crew who made *Thing* are working at the business, meaning the entire original point and message has been lost nowWe know that at least SOME guys making big decisions at GW were under the direct tutelage of the original creators, or even just pushed to align things closely with their original vision. ADB (despite being a hit-or-miss BL author) was buddies with Alan Bligh, who was very in-touch with the likes of Jes Goodwin and Andy Chambers, for instance, and now he's been narrative director at GW for a few years and reportedly soft-fired an author from the HH for daring to suggest they do something as retarded as having it be Horus on the Golden Throne. But apparently he has to fight others or something to prevent complete Nuhammer faggotry from taking over
>>98029016>Why else do you think they get extremely upset when they see their special boys lose?NTA butI normally find it in poor taste when 40k fans of certain armies see their armies not perform as well as they hoped for.>butI feel like I might act like that if a faction of an army (guard) I liked got stomped.What breaks one free of this kind of autism so I don't resemble the kind of autist you're talking about?
>>98028319>>98029016>man makes up scenarios to make himself mad over
>>98027074>tqWorld EatersCoke zero
>>98027074UltramarinesWater
>>98028533Use the new CSM Mutilators as Eightbound, mix and match them kitbash them with eightbound and you'll have unique big fuck off melee mutant dudes
>>98028533get some third party red butchers instead of buying dogshit eightbound sculpts
>>98027074>CSM>Milkshakes
>>98029016>We know that at least SOME guys making big decisions at GW were under the direct tutelage of the original creatorsYeah, some. From hundreds of workers.Nevermind that ALL of the old crew have fucked off finally.Jes retired last year.
>>98029016>ADBIs a tardo who knows fuck about 40k, he is a perfect example of the said new hires who have fuck all clue what is going on.It's ADB we get this dumb shit ideas like >abaddon was actually just a misunderstood space marine rights activistAnd other shlock like it.
>>98029016>there's something inside GW fighting to prevent nuhammer faggotry from taking over the franchise>it's fucking ADB of all peopleoh we're fucked lmfao
>>98029016ADB is also the one who has pushed for retarded shit like female custodes
>all the new armageddon art shows marines with actual boltguns>models have bolt riflesWhat gives? This dude even has a mk7 backpack.
>TQ SW Water with a splash of Strawberry Watermelon Mio
>>98029159>abaddon was actually just a misunderstood space marine rights activistwhat the fuck are you talking about? Talon of Horus and Black Legion characterize Abaddon as an evil warlord, but you can see why a shitload of chaos marines would follow the guy, which is space marine supremacy (which was the original basis for the Horus Heresy before Horus became a chaos sock puppet and the other primarchs were corrupted to chaos). But you can also see that Abaddon is thoroughly corrupted by Chaos himself already (the mf literally has glowing yellow irises at the end of Black Legion and has his sorcerer-narrator summon a daemon), he and the black legion are coping about "fighting the Long War on our terms" when really they're just as much slaves to darkness as the word bearers
Hi anons, I ordered a basic set of acryllic paint, some primer and a fuckton of little green army men to practice on. Im gonna learn how to do model painting with them before buying any expensive models. Yall got any niche tips for a new painter?
>>98029191>custodes can have vaginas nowI fucking hate the idea of female marines, but cucktodes are a faggot faction anyway that aren't even fucking space marines, who gives a fuck? They shouldn't even be an army.
>>98029210yeah, go on amazon and buy something like this. Trust me on this
Arguing about 40k lore and how GW is going to further screw up the franchise is always more fun when posting models!Share your latest painted minis and your comfy Sunday wips.
>>98029210Watch this video on how to thin your paints:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBDVPoNXyVIAlso I went with these surprisingly cheap DnD minis to practice on because green army men are amorphous so you can't really practice painting distinct details
>>98029197InterestingMaybe true, full kit will have such optionsOr maybe they initially intended to make Tactical update, commissioned art already and then pivoted into new Intercessors instead
>>98029212Its not about the custodes themselves, it's about the fact that retconned lore that has been stablished for 30 years and pretended it was that way all along with some shitty twitter post so nothing is safe anymore.
>>98029217this
>>98029210What anon posted >>98029217 is a good investment but I would argue against it for a newbie. Last thing you want to do is buy a bunch of tools only to drop the hobby later. You can find a lot of model tool kits for cheap on Amazon.I recommend the following-Hobby Knife-Small cutters to remove pieces from the spures-Mould knife-Cement glue-Super glue-Dry Brushes-A brush for base coats and a smaller brush for highlights-Primer spray paints
>>98029197Lol going for the genuine tabletop experience with mono-pose kits I see.
>>98029219>Coke zeroHow can a person drink this trash? It tastes awfull>>98029219I have my Tau Commander for this month collage. I tried for more realistic and Grimy Camoo pattern
>>98029246>>98029225>>98029217So far what ive ordered is a small pack of Primer (Not spray Primer, a bottle) A small knife and cutter, a very rudimentry set paint set with all the normal colors, and some cheap brushes. Ik ill have to upgrade alot of it later but im specifically starting out very slow and cheap to avoid buying a bunch of stuff i wont need, and to avoid burning myself out early onto it.Thank yall btw, after I get myself confident with thinning and priming with the army men Im planning on recreating my old Deathwatch character I had back when I played the TTRPG years ago. But until then, im gonna turn the army men into the power rangers.
>>98029264>It tastes awfullIt tastes like regular coke, just no calories. Is sugar free soda particularly terrible in america or something? I've seen lots of americans say it tastes awful. Tastes fine in yurp.
>>98029228>Or maybe they initially intended to make Tactical update, commissioned art already and then pivoted into new Intercessors insteadThis is most likely what happened.I think the best compromise is GW bringing back gear like weapons costing points so players can bring customized marines using "boltcarbines" instead of the boltrifles to make their marines more like the marines in that art.But maybe GW didn't want to make easily customizable marine kits as it would mean third party would get wind and start making bits for them.>>98029016>But apparently he (ADB) has to fight others or something to prevent complete Nuhammer faggotry from taking overI need sauce on this. This is unbelievable. And yet this world is full of ridiculous surprises.
>>98029219I'm technically slowly painting hekatonim assembling my 1k of Cartel deldarI'm prepping space for Legio CustodesI'm reserving a storage space for protossat least vidya sucks so not much else to do after work
>>98029205>what the fuck are you talking about?About the fluff.That's what Abaddon has been reduced to, he's bitter faggot who's mad at the Emperor because he wasn't allowed to lord over normal humans.
>>98029264I perfer coke zero over regular coke but to each their own.The greens you chose does come off as camouflagey. Nice work.
>>98029197>What gives?That GW doesn't give a shit.It's not deep.
>>98029318I love the colour scheme. Blue and yellow together always looks nice and gives a retro feel.
>>98029278Brushing on primer is hell, I wouldn’t do it. There’s a lot of good primer cans out there that are cheaper than citadel if you’re worried about cost. As far as paints you can really get everything done with a good cyan, yellow, and magenta, along with a good black and white, and a warm brown. I’d also buy flesh colors if you want to paint faces, it’s a lot easier, or if you’re painting a big army with the same color armor, just buy those colors.Another thing you need to think about going forward is brush care. I’d buy some brush soap and look up a guide on how to use it. Also for water based acrylics go with 91% Isopropyl Alcohol for stripping or cleaning up the paint on brushes/skin/surfaces, the 9% water in it helps reactivate it while it’s being stripped and cleans way better.Lastly, at IKEA there is a 20 dollar lamp called TERTIAL that is the perfect hobby lamp. Clamps onto the table, put a 5000K sunlight bulb in it, and lower it down to where you’re lighting the model but not getting it in your eyes. There’s also 20-30 dollar magnifying jewelers visors you can get on Amazon that’ll help with magnification and work with any lamp.
>>98029231>retconned lore that has been stablished for 30 years and pretended it was that way all along>30 yearsAnon, the lore stating that they were "sons" and a "brotherhood" goes back to like, the early 2010's in HH books in bits and pieces, and then it's only explicit in their 8th ed codex in the late 2010's. In their original blurb from 1e, it wasn't specified that they were all male. But let's talk about retcons, anyway. How come nobody got assmad about Dorn's skeleton on the phalanx being retconned to be just a hand compared to female custodes? Oh wait, I know. Because it was in service of marinefags who sperg out and go "WAOW!!!! PRIMARCHS!!! MUST CONSUME!! I LOVE PRIMARCHS!!!" whenever anything 40k comes up in conversation. But no, we instead have people freak the fuck out over the nothingburger cuckstodes who shouldn't even be a fucking army outside of the HH, but were made one anyway to appease fags. You fucking ape-brained mongoloid.
>>98029305>This is most likely what happened.It's more likely that GW just made primaris tacticals already, and they will just use the primaris weapons, but they are saving that for multipart kit when it releases.Like all the intercessor kit needs is just some special weapons and heavy weapon.
I was looking at the combat patrols. I used to enjoy buying previous versions of models to make the start collecting and old battleforce boxing.Has you noticed the new boxes always have something so brand new you cant actually recreate it with older versions?For example I wanted to make a cheaper version of the space marine combat patrol and its a good excuse to use older models. I had older versions of the termies in my cart but then the flamer dudes have no older version. Then I looked and realized its the case with literally every single one of them.Creating the combat patrol with old termies but primaris flamers would look silly. Buying a bunch of tacticals with flamer bits would be pricey and defeat the point.
>>98029347rent free
Is GW ai slopping their art now?
>>98029366If so they should get their money back, most AI would do a better job.
>>98029344Ill keep that in mind, I went for the bottle of primer because im actually kinda limited on my ability to use a aerosol primer in my current house. I live in a one room studio without alot of room and im very hesitant about spraying it outside. I guess I can Jury rig something with cardboard though.
>>98029228>then pivoted into new Intercessors insteadWhy the fuck would someone think that's a good idea?
>>98029324>he's bitter faggot who's mad at the Emperor because he wasn't allowed to lord over normal humansyes, anon, that's the entire basis of the horus heresy (strongly influenced/instigated by the chaos gods). traitor marines weren't huffing chaos en masse at first. this was all in the first three books of the horus heresy. horus literally bitched and complained about humans lording over primarchs and marines, which is an attitude he passed down to abaddon, who thinks he's still fighting for that after the horus heresy despite the fact that it was always just chaos exploiting the traitor legions' ego, and he's as thoroughly corrupted as any other traitor marine post-heresy, especially in M41 given the whole "mark of chaos ascendant" and "i am literally wielding a daemon weapon and commanding daemonic cohorts while following the whims of the chaos gods" thing
>>98029358>new boxes have new modelswell yeah
>>98029305The issue is that all the primaris +1 weapons just leave the classic ones completely obsolete. There's no point in having both.
>>98029366you tried this bait a week agothat image is older than AIslop by several yearsnow fuck off back to >>>/v/
>>98027594wait seriously? Then why even not have the non-Mole option in there?Do I need to put the Mole on on the bigger base or can I leave off the robot friend and have her on a regular base?
>>98029159>abaddon was actually just a misunderstood space marine rights activistI need a rundown on this.Were the foundations for this actually reasonably solid?
>>98029382the entire basis behind the primaris line is having aspect-warrior style specialized units based on wargear so that new players have to make slightly less dice rolls with marines per unit. yes, I shit you not, that's the dumbfuck retarded idea behind them. so what probably happened is that they made concept art and plans to make new tacticals, then some guy at a higher level said "NOOOOOOO!!!!! STOP!!!!!! YOU'LL CONFUSE THE NEWFAGS!!" and then they reworked them into new intercessors.
>>98029389In the old times the starting boxes weren't about getting new models they were meant to set you up with the baseline you needed to then buy the interesting elite models and nich HQ units. Every single box now has something that never existed before. Those sorts of things used to be in the more specail boxes, not the starter boxes like start collecting or old old battleforces.So it's a bit of a shame, and likely bad for newcomers too.
>>98029415>In the old times the starting boxes weren't about getting new models they were meant to set you up with the baseline you needed to then buy the interesting elite models and nich HQ unitsGW's business model has changed, they now apparently have determined that they make more money from people who buy a starter box and then never assemble and paint the minis and never ever purchase something from GW again than someone who actually gets into the hobby and builds an army. so they put new shit in the box every edition to generate hype within the fandom for the box, and then that fandom hype bleeds over into newcomer hype, and then the newcomers buy the box and then never buy anything again, and gw reaps the profits (apparently.) Does this sound retarded? yes. but it's apparently their business model now
>>98029398>that image is older than AIslop by several yearsHow do you know?
>>98029378Yeah you can easily do it, primer dries fast mid air, so if you spray forward while standing, it just turns into plastic dust before it hits the ground. Alternatively you can crouch down or sit on a stool and spray down onto cardboard backing. Another thing that’ll help out with priming is MR ALMIGHTY STICK. You can get these guys on Amazon and use the clamps to hold your models by while you prime, then just reclamp on a sprayed part to cover the spot you missed. You can also buy those cat scratch boards made from cardboard edges and prop up your sticks in them.
>>98029434because it's recycled art you retarded fucking tourist
>>98029278Sucks that you got bottled primer because as the other anon said it's difficult to apply correctly. If I were you I would try to apply it in thin layers with a soft drybrush like picrel. You may need to be extremely cautious if working on models with small thin bits protruding from it as going too rough will snap them off.Move to spray primer when you are able.Having said all that, a bad primer application will taint the rest of the paint job.More importantly, you're new, you will fuck up, your first models will look bad but you will cherish them all the same because if you stick with it and practice they will serve as a reminder of where you started and how far you came.And MOST importantly, don't post your models here while attaching your ego to it. Anons who get defensive about their paint jobs are in for a bad time. Take constructive critism, ignore shitposters and remember to have fun!
>>98029387considering the emperors plans were to get rid of the space marines like the thunder warriors, I dont blame thembeing a space marine who isnt a traitor is the most cucked life imaginable
>>98029347>How come nobody got assmad about Dorn's skeleton on the phalanx being retconnedWell that is egregious.Honestly that's just blatant confirmation that Dorn will be returning to 40k.
>>98029453as a dreadnought for the black templars
>>98029415Objectively the old one was a much better starting spot. You get the super cool elite thing being the dreadnought, then you get a really cool character, then a battle unit that can split into 2 squads.The new box has that primaris flamer squad, not even a battle line. You get way more models due to inflation in cost and so value had to go up, but you could add assault terminators into the older box and be waaaaaay better than the new one
>>98029366I am not a fan of that Codex cover art. I really am not. I prefer the "ominous symbolic" codex cover art like 8th edition's cover and 4th and 5th.Cover art wise this is very much a case of old (if we ignore 8th edition as it may not count as old) new bad.
>>98029437Thanks for the advice! Once I get through my practice ill make sure to get a spray one along with those, that seems alot cheaper and better then those weird Buttplug looking holders I keep seeing.>>98029443Gotcha, i dont mind fucking up with the army men cause their cheap and are solely for practice. Those things are gonna look ugly as shit by the time im done with them. But just maybe, ill have learned something by the time ive run out of paint/army men.
>>98029433It sounds very modern. They make more money now by pushing hype. The excitement of a new model tricks existing fans into trying a new faction but rarely getting into the faction long term, or get from the newcomer and dont expect a second purchase again.I remember the only affordable thing in warhammer being the starting packs, that doesn't seem true now at all.
>>98029403>Were the foundations for this actually reasonably solid?No.The entirety of the argument hinges on that "muh marines built le Imperium", pretending that the Imperial Army of regular humans and even Abhumans, Mechanicum and titan legions didn't exist.Other part is that Abaddon being ass hurt that the control of the Imperium bureocracy and govermental aparatus was given to normal humans to govern.But none of this was never hidden. Emperor NEVER promised to any of his sons or any marines that'd be allowed to rule. Nevermind that it was the Emperor who was the absolute monarch anyway, since you know, he's The Emperor.Even from the start all of the day to day bureocratic shit of the Imperial goverment was ran by regular ass humans.It was being ran by regular humans as FAR BACK as the UNIFICATION WARS. The fucking Senatorum Imperialis and the High Lords both existed BEFORE the Great Crusade even started.Abaddon is just asshurt that he was just a lowly soldier. That's it.
>>98029305>I need sauce on this. This is unbelievable. And yet this world is full of ridiculous surprises.NTA, I don't have a source BUT I looked it up, so ADB apparently has been the main IP manager/"head of narrative" (creative IP lead) for not just 40k but also ALL of gw's properties since 2022. Now, apparently big decisions at GW take about 3-4 years to actually bear fruit, but I noticed something.>4 years after 2022, 11th edition is focusing on going back to Armageddon as its narrative selling point instead of a new primarch>the Warhammer Adventures children's novels stopped being published in 2022so while the fag is probably at least partially responsible for female custodes he's probably also at least partially responsible for staving off some elements of nuhammer introduced back in 8th ed
>>98029479yeah it's basically a scam nowadays
>>98029486Thank you very much anon.Was this whole marine rights activist thing ever a thing before ADB decided to make Abby his edgy angst self insert?What was Abby like before ADB and the GW "lore patch retcons" that started rolling in leading up to the Cadian planet getting buck broken by a blackstone fortress?>>98029491>so while the fag is probably at least partially responsible for female custodes he's probably also at least partially responsible for staving off some elements of nuhammer introduced back in 8th edIs this gonna at least lead to a Yin Yang kind of thing where balance is achieved or is this going to still lead to bad things?
>>98029517I mean 11th so far seems like an improvement over 10th in every possible way. I think it's not enough but most changes I want require a complete reindexation so maybe they weren't allowed to do two back to back.
>>98029491>so while the fag is probably at least partially responsible for female custodes he's probably also at least partially responsible for staving off some elements of nuhammer introduced back in 8th edSo you win some and you lose some?Basically we are gonna keep getting super soldier women, but ADB and co will then keep the narrative more centered on certain warzones instead of primarchs.I guess that's fair.
>>98029530I'm of the opinion that they made female custodes precisely because they won't make female marines. So you have a single male-only faction (marines) and a single female only faction (SoB) with everything else being mixed or agendered. SoS get thrown out of the fucking balcony I guess.
Eldar heavy weapon platforms should be on a dioramic size base and they look so bad having a crew member on its own base
>>98029517>Was this whole marine rights activist thing ever a thing before ADB decided to make Abby his edgy angst self insert?Abaddon has become this because he's just meant to be special mary sue faggot. He's now über powerful warlord who makes traitor primarchs submit and kneel to him, and at the same time Abaddon is in fact NOT corrupted by Chaos and he can just "remove" the "Crown" that gives him his chaotic power that he just uses as a tool.>What was Abby like before ADBHe was just an unapologetic asshole who came out of the Eye of Terror ever so often to terrorize the Imperium.Abaddon has also been retconned into being a super smart plans within plans scheming fuck who had totally planned all of the 12 previous Black Crusades all had secret objectives for him to create the Great Rift. When in reality even the Great Rift was a fucking happy accident for Abaddon when GW first had Cadia destroyed.In the past the 12 Black Crusades were just random incursions of violence and pillaging that happened and caused lot of damage, but still something the Imperium just pushed back into the Eye of Terror eventually as the incursion's energy pewtered out.Now Abaddon is a scheming fuck whose actual final plan is to take over the Imperium, replace the Emperor, and then kill all of the Chaos Gods... Somehow.And he has allied himself with Vashtorr, a daemon who wants nothing but become the 5th Chaos God.So Abaddon's plan to KILL ALL CHAOS GODS, is to make MORE of them. Yeah, this shit is smart ain't it? It'll definetly work.
>>98029529>I mean 11th so far seems like an improvement over 10th in every possible way.Given the general opinion of 10th edition in this thread I wouldn't say that's a high bar to meet.Do you think that GW deliberately holds back on the quality of the wargaming rules to prevent the edition from being so beloved it starts getting "legacy support" by fans very soon after it is eclipsed by the next edition?Think 9th Age Fantasy Battles but for a 40k edition. That sort of thing.
>>98029546Female custodes were just a test for female marines and if GW can get away with doing it.And the answer is yes, because practically nobody gave a shit and people are STILL buying GW plastic.And the people who quit 40k over it are an extremely small minority, and for every 1 guy who leaves, he'll get replaced by 10 other guys who will be giving GW money hand over fist.
>>98029601I don't see why they would bother. That kind of things only happen when the game is discontinued as a whole, see BFG or Necromunda/Bloodbowl before being revived. If there's a supported official version 99% of people will play that, even if it sucks balls. See 10th.
>>98029530>ADB and co will then keep the narrative more centered on certain warzones instead of primarchs.This DOES line up with ADB being buddies with Alan Bligh and the other FW writers
>>98029624I'll happily trade female marines for the total annihilation of primaris and the return of Imperial Armour.
>>98029609Nobody have a shit about Custodes before and nobody gives a shot now. There's no reason to extrapolate any of that to marines where people actually do give a shit about them now.
>>98029591>When in reality even the Great Rift was a fucking happy accident for Abaddon when GW first had Cadia destroyed.This means that GW fumbled the "fixing" of Abby into a "all according to keikaku" type villain?>He was just an unapologetic asshole who came out of the Eye of Terror ever so often to terrorize the Imperium.>12 Black Crusades were just random incursions of violence and pillagingI kind of like the idea of a horde of space marines leaving their domain in the warp to wreck everything and everyone in their path every now and then and then going back to where they came from after they've done enough or other things. Are the Red Corsairs that now or are they being "keikaku-ized?" >Abby's plan to kill chaos gods is to make more chaos gods after using chaos gods to destroy chaos gods.>Also Abby is not a puppet of Chaos gods btwHow do you think GW will try to fix this thing given that they went through the effort of making the 12 Black Crusades a sort of "akshully it is all according to keikaku" thing? If everything you say is true then I'm gonna need a well done redrawing of Abbadon like pic related:
>>98029614I think the main reason you don't see as large a playerbase or even really an OSR-style movement for older 40k editions compared to discontinued specialist games (BFG, Epic Armageddon, Mordheim, etc) is because of the fact that most casual players will view older editions as "the same game" as current 40k but with no support for newer models, and hardcore tournament players always run with the assumption of "the game is being continually improved over time" which they tell the casual players ad nauseum. So you'll ALWAYS see "play the new thing" in public playspaces and the vast majority of the community, with older editions being consigned to garagehammer and small, localized play groups of friends. BFG and Epic Armageddon still have tournaments and events to this day, 3rd edition 40k doesn't, because 40k is still ongoing, even if 10th ed is nothing like 3rd ed.
I was going to get back into 40k again, I used to play in 5th edition, then stopped. Came back in covid for 8 and 9, then stoppedSorry to say the game seems really bad right now with way too many niche characters and elites and doesnt really resemble a wargame but more of a moba with minions running around? Am I missing something. The lore has lost its tightness too so im not sure, is the lore worth getting back into?
>>98029634There is a reason to extrapolate it because GW will use any fucking excuse they want to sell marine plastic to people. Nevermind that if they think it will help boost sales, GW will do so no matter how bad of an idea it is.And since GW is a multi billion dollar corporation it has infinite momentum behind it and so much fucking money that it won't fail.Also nevermind the fact that even if GW makes female marines, there's still going to be fucking hordes of marinefags who WILL GO and buy those kits that contain female marines and they will do so for JUST BECAUSE IT IS MARINES.
>>98029648What if Abbadon is just insane? It would explain why his plan makes zero fucking sense if he is simply a lunatic.
>>98029628>and the return of Imperial ArmourHow likely will the return of Imperial Armour with it's focus on warzones being insignificant in the greater context of the galaxy and the stories being done right and the photographed models with special effects be done right? I have a sinking feeling that if IA gets brought back they will not be as cool as we think the Forge World era's Imperial Armour was. Quite frankly I don't think FW era Imperial Armour was that great as people say it is because of nostalgia and the telephone game hyped up by Loretubers regurgitating wiki articles about those books. One thing that I think rings true in being amazing back then and now (if "nuHH" model photos count) was the edited miniature photographs and even then those are a matter of taste as I doubt the grand majority of 40k fans would really be big fans of such a style and favor those visuals over digital or even "sovlful" older 40k art. Got so many thoughts racing through my head about this right now.
>>98029591>Now Abaddon is a scheming fuck whose actual final plan is to take over the Imperium, replace the Emperor, and then kill all of the Chaos Gods... Somehow.Yeah, they retconned Abaddon from "the most powerful chaos warlord who has raided and pillaged the Imperium for the love of the game 13 times over, with each one being a major conflict for the Imperium, to fucking 40k Archaon. That's it. Fantasy synergy. They made him 40k Archaon.
>>98029683All taken in by chaos are insane, and think they’re in control. Even a humble plague marine probably thinks him and his primarch are tricking Nurgle.
>>98029683>What if Abbadon is just insane?I mean that is the best explanation.>buuuuuutI don't think GW will go that route. I don't think ADB would allow that part to go through. But I feel stupid that I didn't think of that simple thing.I usually like to think that things are intended to be more complex than they are when it comes to fictional universes and the way some businesses are handled like GW.But maybe you are correct and I'm okay with being proven wrong if that is the case.
>>98029688Honestly? About zero. IA made use of the fact that 40k had 10k years worth of space to put stories in. If you do that now there can't be primaris so the higher ups won't allow it.
>>98029628>I'll happily trade female marines for the total annihilation of primarisIt's more likely that GW makes it so that primaris marines can be female.Why? Cawl did it.Cawl found a way to make the creation process work on girls and their genetics. And since the universe keeps getting darker and more dangerous, the Imperium is becoming more and more desperate. So Guilliman authorizes it and now we have female marines stocking LGS shelves.
>>98029671>Sorry to say the game seems really bad right now with way too many niche characters and elites and doesnt really resemble a wargame but more of a moba with minions running around? That's exactly what it is. And the fags in this thread will insist it's not
>>9802970910th sucks balls but it has nothing to do with a MOBA.
>>98029692>to fucking 40k ArchaonIs the idea of a 40k Archaon really a good idea in the 40k universe?I get that 40k and WFB share a lot of DNA. I just think that if it had to be done how would it be done properly?The consensus here seems that Abby is not quite the right way of doing Archaon but in space.And what did Archaon have right that Abby doesn't anyways?
>>98029709I tried a game recently and the lion with a group of hellblasters slaughtered me. The hellblasters were okay, but the lion killed>5 warp spiders>10 guardian defenders with platform>Farseer>Autarch>2 wraithbladesThat was fun.
>>98029730you need to just kill people who own primarch miniatures. Just take a five round, snub-nosed revolver to the LGS and shoot them.
I just dont like named characters in general.
>>98029738Hahaha
>>98029683>It would explain why his plan makes zero fucking sense if he is simply a lunatic.The simpler answer is that this is just shitty fucking writing made by hacks, who just write whatever the fuck shit they want.You don't need another explanation for it.
personally I think abaddon is gw's attempt to make 40k sauron so that chaos seems more threatening. but it kind of makes them less threatening overall. but they're in too deep. so they stick to their guns. it's bad.
>>98029744Even back in 8th and 9th named characters were just a fun little sidegrade to the generic characters because 90% of their power came from a warlord trait you could give to the generic characters too. That should come back.
>>98029724Archaon was good because he felt organic to the setting.Abaddon and his recent retcons are just artificial.Like lets be honest, it says a lot about a "villain" when the creators behind the setting NEED TO actively go out of their way to retcon the said villain and his actions so he feels more of a threat and isn't a complete fucking joke.That's basically the issue and the reason why Abaddon is just fundamentally flawed from a design perspective.
Any updates on Lord Solar Leontus?Is he gonna get the Yvraine treatment of just fading away into the background? Personally the best thing he did was launch a lot of third party STL makers to make a horseback commander.I'm looking for an STL proxy where the horse is robotic-mechanical.Would love suggestions, please.
>>98029755I mean, I can see the logic. Horus is Melkor, Abaddon is Sauron, to the point of contracting out more powerful, ancient entities to fight alongside him rather than for him (the balrog under Moria for Sauron, the daemon primarchs for Abaddon). Simple. But they kind of fucked it up by making it obvious that they're artificially trying to make him "cooler" by retconning his black crusades into all having secret goals and a grand plan instead of just sticking with "he's the most successful warlord and raids for the hell of it and does the biggest and baddest raids to the point that his name is uttered with fear throughout imperial space." It makes him seem more like a cartoon villain than an intimidating warlord.
>>98029763I am aware of the Abby the armless meme because his old model's arms kept falling off. Maybe pinning didn't even help there being why the meme got notoriety? Story wise in the 40k universe what made Abby a joke so bad that GW has decided to unleash loads of retconning to try and fix him?How else was Archaon better than Abby and done better than Abby?
>>98029775yeah update, hes a glup shitto character no one cares about
>>98029775He's stuck in the 4th Tyranic War so he'll show up whenever they go back to that warzone.
what killed the hype?
>>98029794It's still 10th's shit core.
>>98029794Games Workshop
>>98029794They are killing tactical squads.
>>98029807t. nomodels nogames faggot
>>98029818stop ban evading
>>98029688>Quite frankly I don't think FW era Imperial Armour was that great as people say it is because of nostalgiaNTA but I re-read a bunch of them on a whim a few months ago and I would still rate them as probably the best campaign books ever written for 40k. They're not the near-mythical perfect masterworks that people sometimes hold them up as today but they are still very good. Drilling incredibly deep into a single conflict and trying to present things as ""realistically"" as possible like it's a detailed historical record of an actual historical event that actually happened is the kind of autism that 40k could use more of, and it looks especially good when placed next to the current style of 40k storytelling where it feels like things are gradually being Marvel-ified where everything revolves around a handful of important named characters personally interacting with each other.The Badab War books in particular were a real breath of fresh air; Carab Culln being Huron's arch-nemesis but never actually meeting him on the battlefield because both of them had better things to be getting on with as generals of their respective armies felt almost novel.
>>98029781>Story wise in the 40k universe what made Abby a joke so bad that GW has decided to unleash loads of retconning to try and fix him?Well, when he was introduced, he was just the most powerful warlord who still just ran around pillaging the Imperium for the hell of it, basically his motivation was "to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women." He was just the biggest and baddest warlord of the bunch, who always led the biggest raids into realspace to the point that the Imperium categorized them as the 12 black crusades. We saw that in BFG with the 12th Black Crusade, he just shows up, blows up planets, steals Blackstone Fortresses, blows up more planets and terrorizes an important Imperial sector for GLORY and LOOT. Then in the 13th black crusade Eye of Terror event in 3rd, they said the goal of Abaddon was to reach Terra, which implied to the reade that all 12 previous black crusades besides the 12th were failed attempts to reach Terra, which made him sound like a fucking failure. Then starting in 7th ed, GW started saying "no, he never tried to reach terra in any of his previous black crusades, BUT he's still working towards that goal somehow and each Black Crusade is actually part of a coordinated plan and has secret objectives to destroy the Imperium!" Which is just trying way too hard to make him cool.
>>98029817>question is what killed the hype >lists something to be hyped about
>>98029794They let armies suffer without any real fix while the design is overall just poor.
>>98029781>How else was Archaon better than Abby and done better than Abby?Archaon has been butchered by gw too, his book trilogy is an insane character assassination. He just has better aura, as the kids say.
>>98029825Why would you be hyped about the most ubiquitous and iconic unit in the entire game that's been playable since day 1 being squatted?
>>98029775>>98029782how did GW fuck up such an easy Character to make? Macharius was also simple(with way simpler model) but he still felt compelling even without the novels.
>>98029781Archaon has way less written about him. And he has his own failures like getting his head caved in by an orc headbutt and his daddy issues with Sigmar. The problem for you morons is Abaddon fails to destroy Terra and kill the Imperium (end the setting/game) every time he mobilizes so he is a 'failure'. >>98029824>Then in the 13th black crusade Eye of Terror event in 3rd, they said the goal of Abaddon was to reach Terra, which implied to the reade that all 12 previous black crusades besides the 12th were failed attempts to reach Terra, which made him sound like a fucking failure.The Eye of Terror codex states that some of the black crusades were just small raids which would mean your take away implication that every black crusade was a mad rush to Terra is wrong.
>>98029852Macharius' whole shtick was being Alexander in space. Leontus has none of that.
>>98029849>the most iconic unit in the entire game uh oh unc melty
>>98029864then Just make the next guy Aurelian in Space(he already looks the part). A guy who tries to hold Imperium nihilus in some semblance of Order together with Dante.
>>98029878>A guy who tries to hold Imperium nihilus in some semblance of Order together with Dante.Isn't that Guilliman's job with keeping the Ultramar mini Empire in the Imperium functional?Has it been hinted that it might leave the Imperium? Has GW ever touched on that?
>>98029878Is that a stormcast eternal? Can you fuck off?
>>98029890Age of Sigmar did not invent helmets with face plates that look like death masks, anon.
>>98029902It’s hideous all the same.
Homebrew chapters are all ugly as hell, change my mind.
>>98029905>when a barbarian says something so barbaric and retarded that you just have to give them the equites stare
>>98029853>abaddon hatred is just fandom psychosischecks out, same fandom that loves PRIMARCHS!!!!!!(tm)
>>98029905Imagine talking shit about aurelian. Fucking faggot.
>>98029921uwu
>>98029917Naw you right bro. Still gonna keep doing it tho.
>GW eventually goes even crazier about marines & only Marines exist>Space/Primaris Marines>Chaos Space Marines>Eldar are forced to create their own Space Marines to survive>Krork plot magic makes Orks make Krork/Ork Marines>Tau start copying the Imperium & makes Tau Marines>Necrons either start copying them or some plot magic reveals a way to make stronger Necrons AKA Necron Marines>Tyranids, unable to acquire non-Marine DNA, end up becoming far more Marine than they realize>Old Ones are revealed to be Space Marines the whole time>the Chaos Gods were wearing Power armor the whole time & start demanding their Daemons wear some>The C'Tan are revealed to be Space Marines too
>>98029928Primarch hatred however is /tg/ psychosis.
>>98027074Vodka Cranberry>>98028198I have a mix of the originals and serbian recasts (of which there is no difference) Certainly go for recasts; they're cheap and there is no quality difference.
>>98029977how are you going to feel when a /tg/ sleeper agent becomes a GW exec and kills off the primarchs permanently? Will you cry? Kill yourself?
>Vanilla>French VanillaChoose
>>98029984Water.
>>98029775didn't he get killed by the nids
>>98029984Primarily were a mistake
>>98029977>/tg/ psychosisi think a large chunk of the playerbase (outside marinepigs) hates primarchs, you maybe need some opinions outside of the internet.
>>98029977>/tg/ psychosis>unfun to play against>seen in every other army>guilliman and magnus models look like SHIT!!!>turn the lore into capeshit>even fucking tiktok brainrot lore shorts guys are starting to hate them
Named characters should all have non-named alternative builds. And units/detachments should never be tied to specific sub factions, unless they get their own codex. I’m sick and tired of this shit especially since wysiwyg is becoming much more prevalent.
>>98030009>a large chunk of the player outside [a large chunk of the player base]
>>98030039Having non-named alternative kits for the ad mech named characters could be pretty neat, at least that's some variety.
>>98029977You’re 100% correct
>>98030032>magnus model looks like SHIT!!!Cmon now.
>>98029984I just want the old units and designs with modern proportions like terminators and CSM is that so hard?
>>98030051nta but his model sucks ass and I collect tsons
>>98030056HH exists
>>98029982>kills off the primarchs permanently>in a toy franchise Eldrad's death in Eye of Terror doesn't seem to have stopped GW from keeping him around.
>>98030039BASED, even primarch kits should have a generic substitute with most of the same rules, stats and wargear with the named variants having slightly altered wargear and some different rules that put them in a different niche but make them no more valuable to an army than the generic version.>inb4 GENERIC PRIMARCHS??? madness!don't make them primarchs. for chaos generic daemon primarch variants make them "exalted daemon princes" or somesuch, not actually primarchs but especially powerful daemon princes of certain gods etc that resemble the daemon primarchs in stature. For loyalists, you could go in many directions - have the generic variants of each primarch's model be something resembling their stature, but not status. Unique patterns of dreadnought, gene-edited chapter masters (inquisitor lords often edit their own genes to bulk themselves up to marine levels, why can't a chapter master bulk himself up to primarch levels?), imperial saints, legio cybernetica automata, unique knight chassis, etc etc.
>>98030039you're right but its not like you can do that right now with most of them anyway
>>98030075It's like how Maul kept showing up in video games long before Clone Wars brought him back.
>>98030039The sole idea of named characters seems very wrong in the grimdark future were million dies
>>98030114The funniest is that the new corsairs have a cool farseer looking guy. Throwback to the old bug eyed farseer.Why is he a named epic character?
>>98030088Holy fuck this is genius actually, it's not like we haven't seen chapter masters described as pulling what we'd now describe as "primarch-level feats" before, such as:>marneus calgar picking up a necron pylon and throwing it>marneus calgar ripping off a lord of skulls' head like Kratos>Dante killing the swarmlord single-handedly>Dante banishing Skarbrand single-handedly>astarion moloc. Period. Everything he does.Like, it's actually a good idea narratively and gamewise. Gamewise it allows for more variety on the table (you will see less special characters), narratively you basically eliminate the problem Primarchs pose because while they maintain their place in the hierarchy, their place on the battlefield doesn't become as noteworthy and thus you don't have to revolve everything around them by bringing certain models up to their level physically, basically nullifying the capeshit aspect and making them powerful political players primarily. It's like how Ka'Bandha and Skarbrand are the most powerful bloodthirsters, and then showing up is a bigger deal than a typical bloodthirster, but a bloodthirster is still a motherfucking bloodthirster.
>>98029775Like this?https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Mechanical_Steed
>>98030137>I'll make every chapter master, nay, every Imperial Commander, every other daemon prince primarch-level! >and when everyone's primarch-level...no one will be.
>>98030137The game just should have never ever had primarchs be playable except in apocalypse or special fun events. Chapter masters already had those crazy feats and had strong rules. Powerr creep can not be avoided if we literally went from>Captains the strongest>Nah company master/named chapter master are the strongest >Nah the primarchs are now the strongestAnd not every faction should have an equivalent. Pheonix lords are strong as fuck but will always always lose in close combat to a full wound primarch. It sucks cock. A warboss is awesome. Until he has to fight a primarch.
>>98030150Boy do I have a solution>make primarch models have a generic build that's on the same level as them>now downgrade their stats so they don't run around slaughtering armies and players who do buy them are still forced to buy more models for a full army from a sales standpoint
>>98030150>Until he has to fight a primarch.its simple... we get rid of the primarchs
>>98030147>strong enough to make other characters look cool for beating you>replaceable enough that killing you off isn’t a problemBeing primarch level is a curse, not a blessing.
progress being made
>>98030150>A warboss is awesome. Until he has to fight a primarch.>nobody should be allowed to be as strong as my space daddyhe's never coming back from the corner store
>>98029782What even is glup shitto anymore? I thought it was just bringing some obscure character from background material to the forefront. Leontus did not exist until GW made him as he is. If he had been the Lord Commander Solar in the background material for like a decade, then I'd call him glup shitto.
>>98030150It's probably why people are calling it herohammer.
>>98030172I mean following this logic the hierarchy of power from most to least powerful should be:>greater daemons/knights>warbosses/primarchs/chapter masters/phoenix lords/yarrick/farsight/necron overlords/dreadnoughts/norn emissaries/daemon princes/abaddon>captains/autarchs/bigbosses/generic custodes/necron lords/genestealer patriarchs/chaos lords>marine lieutenants/guard colonels/lord commissars/tau fireblades>MEQs>GEQs
>>98030150>A warboss is awesome. Until he has to fight a primarch.I hope the warboss is cheaper then
>>98030196>Tau Fireblades = Marine LieutenantsSorry what?
>>98030180this looks like complete shit in a good way :D
>>98030225thanks, I want it to make you think you need a tetanus shot just from looking at it.
>>98030196warboss = captain
>>98027448>BrainboyzThese are the old ones>KorkThese are Orks who were cultivated personally by the Old ones and Orks as we know them now are wild grown. It's really not that fucking deep.
>>98030205Okay wait good point, downgrade that fireblade to MEQ or even GEQ>>98030234maybe, but I'm more supportive of the idea of warbosses being on par with chapter masters. Marine captains, while able to fight and kill them, should struggle to do so. Ghazghkull should be able to wrestle a knight, at this point, given just how fucking huge he is. So put ghazghkull with the greater daemons and knights. Fuck, put the Avatar of Khaine up there, too, he deserves it at this point after decades of humiliation.
>>98030264>Okay wait good point, downgrade that fireblade to MEQ or even GEQGood.>ghazghkull on the level of greater daemonsNope. Put him with the chapter masters, then put the regular warboss with the captain and the bigboss with the lieutenant. That'd be the kino order if we're downgrading primarchs to chapter master level due to gene edit bullshittery.>avatar of khaine on par with greater daemons, above everything except knights on the same level and titans above...This is fine, actually. Sure.
Maybe a retarded question but whatever. Do demons have the same deep strike point limit as the rest of factions?
>>98027074>TQgrey knights, matcha teathread question aside, what's the over/under on new drukhari next edition?
>>98030196>>98030205>>98030234>>98030274Revised order:>greater daemons/knights/avatar of khaine>primarchs/chapter masters/phoenix lords/ghazghkull/yarrick/farsight/necron overlords/dreadnoughts/norn emissaries/daemon princes/abaddon/whatever the custode hq unit is called, I don't like custodes.>warbosses/captains/autarchs/generic custodes/necron lords/genestealer patriarchs/chaos lords>marine lieutenants/guard colonels/lord commissars/bigbosses>MEQs/tau fireblade>GEQs
>>98030264>maybe, but I'm more supportive of the idea of warbosses being on par with chapter masters.nah, warboss vs captain being an even fight goes back to the soul of 40k
>>98030201Its the biggest baddest guy the orks have. Its lame he has to be 1/4th as strong as space Marines biggest guy.
The Package came in with all the stuff and I got to work. Put on some additional painting tutorial videos and started. It was mostly to test out thinning my paint and using the shitass brushes I got.The Army men were super cheap chink made, so the mold lines were everywhere and the faces have as much detail as a mannaquin, but it was still fun.Im gonna try and paint 2 a day and have fun with it, until then, have my first two minis ive ever painted.
>>98030287Now THIS is kino and sovlful.
>>98030297>20 or less primarchs that exist>maybe millions of warbosses existgee
>>98030285Drukhari will get new stuff and it will try not to be too controversial and that will make it very controversial
>>98030287>avatar of khaine on the same level as a greater daemon and murders EVERYTHING else with imputinybased and dawn of war pilled
>>98030275Daemons have a 50% points & 50% unit count limit for combined deep strike and reserves. Deleted that last thing because I'm stupid.
>>98027074>tqWord bearesBundy n Coke or Ice breaker tripple shot
>>98030308THATS WHY THEY SHOULDNT EXIST IN 2K POINT GAMES MAKE PRIMARCHS OVERPOWERED AS SHIT AND MAKE THEM COST 1700 POINTS AND ONLY VIABLE IM APOCALYPSE
>>98030285Drukhari are going to keep coming. You feel it?
>>98030321I knew there was something like that thanks I just couldnt find it
>>98030334its a toy game where GI JOE players can play with the characters from the cartoon show
>>98030264it makes more sense for warbosses to be on the strength of captains rather than chapter masters because there are so many ork warbosses running around the galaxy. if a regular warboss can curb stomp a captain, then pounce on a chapter master with some lads, then all space marine chapters would suffer problems finding experienced commanders because of their high turnover rate, or even become completely extinct because they can’t compete with the strength and numbers of the orks.
>>98030340Thats cool it used to be a wargame about space soldiers where soldiers in high quantities fought on a battlefield and their slight differences and talents being used right was what determined the winner
>>98030354>same anonI've played with chaos dreadnoughts and greater daemon in my 3rd edition army onward. I've always had the power of a primarch in melee combat.
I'm putting together a team.
>>98030369>GUP in my Tank PlatoonGood luck.
>>98030285Nobody cares about DE and GW knows it. So they're just going to make the most iconic stuff again and cut out more of the weird stuff and sanitize the shit out of their lore so that now they're a basic Evil Empire with a bunch of quirk chungus dark lords and ladies to chase that Nu-cron hype they made when they stumbled into Trazyn and other talk heads to sell an unpopular faction reboot with.
>>98030334Maybe primarchs should cost like 500 pts and Warbosses some 250. Just saying.
Is spamming 3 chimeras for having 3 techpriests in a tank army a bad idea? Chimeras gun ability level to points cost is above most other vehicles.
>>98030397then downgrade primarchs massively in the lore. see >>98030088
>>98030354No, now it's powerscaling power fantasy nonsense and the regular guys are only there to be judged and serve as background fodder for the main cartoon characters. Don't you see? Bolter porn used to be derided as capeshit in 40k, but now ALL of 40k is capeshit, because that's what the internet wanted. And the internet celebrates you. Hell, they might even call you woke or a chud depending on where they side in the culture war, because for some reason both sides love capeshit, and both sides project hatred of capeshit to the other! Don't you love the modern 40k community!?!??!!?
>>98030420Wait, fuck, instead of celebrates you I meant celebrates it.* as in the capeshittifying of 40k. Just look at the thousands of youtube videos, reddit posts and twitter posts praising modern 40k as "better" than what it used to be!
>>98030180the navy vet in me is being triggered by the seafoam green and I want to make a seafoam green engine room now for taking pics
>>98030434Pair it with a warning feeling red and you have an army.
>>98030420>Hell, they might even call you woke or a chud depending on where they side in the culture war, because for some reason both sides love capeshit, and both sides project hatred of capeshit to the other!bro I saw this the other day on xitter. right-leaning warhammer account dogged out this dude for calling out secondaries for being primarchfags, called him a communist for it, when only a few months ago I saw woketards call some guy a chud nazi because he wanted 40k to be grimdark again and stop being funko pop capeshit. fucking insanity
>>98030180>all those banebade bitsNice.What is the floor made from?
>>98030449>brits starting another tea party up in this shit
>>98030440I honestly miss red lights during sleeping hours, its a good system and makes things really feel "sleepy"
>a wraithknight costs way more than an avatarYou should be able to pay double or triple to get a bigger avatar with better stats and abilities. Each craftworld has a different sized shard with more or less previous sacrifices, so it makes sense that some would be stronger than others.
>>98030452gotta use 'em somewhere lmao. floor is just necromunda/zone mortalis floor tiles from GW
>>98030462>warlord titan sized avatar of khaine that rapes entire hive cities
>>98030402its fine, chimeras arent exactly that scary anyway
>>98028474Because this is corporate American/UK. You never fucking admit fault on something, once a ship is pointed in a direction you fucking full speed ahead on it, even if you are about to titanic your ass. Admitting fault means a lot of people have to get fired. The reality is, despite the shit show of problems 4th-7th went through, it was a far better laid out game.
I was thinking of starting Death Guard, and Facebook has a Poxwrought Vector box for sale, and a local store has a couple copies of Vile Vectorium available. Would combining those with a combat patrol or two be pretty solid?
>>98030449>"I hate 40k turning into capeshit">one side calls you a commie for not liking primarchs>the other calls you a nazi for not liking primarchsYou just can't fucking win with people.
>>9803052320 shots as a vehicle with more wounds than 5 primaris-anything, toughness of a armiger/wardog and can save an infantry unit near it until it diespeople stress over if something has legs to make it scary, its a fucking armiger that can get repaired
>>98030465
>Pop in to 40kg from HHG to see how its going>Thread is filled with monumentally more doom and gloom then expected>Even less 40k defenders then normalJFC how rough is 11th looking for you faggots? Is it that bad?
>>98030574I've yet to buy a single codex after restarting the hobby. My models hover on the brink of box-and-ebay or prime and paint.
>>98030550>20 shots as a vehicle with more wounds than 5 primaris-anything12 of those shots are lasguns and all of those shots are usually hitting on 4's because your orders are better on your actual tanks>>98030550>toughness of a armiger/wardogbut with less wounds and, more importantly no invuln>>98030550>can save an infantry unit near it until it dieswhich also makes the package more expensive since once you factor in the kasrkin squad you're throwing inside of it.
>>98030589Is this basically the general feeling of 11th? i have not seen it this bad since the leaks to HH 3.0 dropped and we were not seeing half of the models in the game.
>>98030599To be honest 10th looked bad because of the bloat caused by metagaming. Also it's fucking DoW+Moba feeling. When does a patch of dirt become so important a 400 year old warrior has to stand in the open for it?
>retards already crying about 11thGod damn how much of a salty piece of shit can you be?
btw it is statistically impossible for a vanquisher cannon to one-shot a leman russ battle tank ingame despite it being very easy for it to do in lore (and in crunch, when it was introduced). How does this make you feel?
>>98030311>keeps retreating and gets shot down by focus fire
>>98030449>bro I saw this the other day on xitter. right-leaning warhammer account dogged out this dude for calling out secondaries for being primarchfags, called him a communist for itI don't believe you. Post proof.
>>98030632I'm this anon:>>98030623I'm hoping the metagaming and circles of openess-let-me-die-here objectives get taken care of. Some hope that terrain features(buildings) can be objectives. I wonder if the second part gets mitigated a little.I did restart the hobby during 10th, I was just waiting until 11th because it takes 2 hours to get somewhere to play.
>>98030632Oh i dipped out after psyker awakening in 8th ed i just pop back into the 40kg thread now and then to see how you all are doing, i was just noting that a lot of people seem to be in the "It so fucking over" camp as of late.
>>98030449>nazis and commies following the primarchs' cult of personality>libertarian half of the compass cares more about the ground-level soldiersIt kinda checks out.>>98030665It's been over since the first major change after you started 40k, no exceptions.
>>98030665that's just 4chan though, people on here will bitch about anything, and would probably look a gold horse in the mouth. Its the same old song and dance before an edition.
>>98030632I have been actively posting since late 7th, playing since 5th. AFAIK I was the first person here to start saying 10th sucked, when the 9th core rulebook leaked from that one anon who put slurs on stickynotes I said that sucked too.I can and will say any and every new edition is terrible
>>98030676I know that normally tg is always a shit flining fest but i just feel like there are less denfeders of it. I saw people dying on thill that 9th and 10th were the golden age of 40k and i just dont see that as much anymore. >>98030669>It's been over since the first major change after you started 40k, no exceptions.LOL to be fair yeah, i started in....late 5th? Early 6th? And generally i enjoyed it all it was not until 8th i started getting disenfranchised. I did not like the change to all the stuff like the rending system and the damage system.
What are some other cute models?
>>98030657Well, I didn't fucking keep track of it, man, you gotta go and find it, one of the meme accounts posted about it. Either Lorgar or Rylanor, I can't remember.
>>98030703No, wait, scratch that, I think it was that black templar guy.
>>98030702Grots.
ENTER
>>98030676that’s cause there’s a 90% chance its going to be shit, so preemptively shitting based on what we know now (same skeleton as 10th rules and retarded lore) helps mitigate disappointment when it turns out to be what was expected. in the case that it is actually good, then it’ll make it all the sweeter to see how it was so much better than we thought.
>>98030706
>>98030702the old broadsides
>>98030724why does it look cartoony? we really need a game more inspired by John Blanche's illustrations instead of trying to appeal to funko pop collectors.
>>980306878th is a common point of extra overness.I like the windfall for Death Guard and some of the Ultima Founding chapters, so it's not all bad.
>>98030725this is 4chan, it will never be good. There is no possible world where a NEW edition of 40k can ever be good. The rules of this site forbid going against board culture so even if it was somehow good we cannot say it is, we must maintain old good new bad
>>98030702(You). Yes, (You) who is reading this right now.
>>98030733you're actually retarded
>>98030742Well, thank you anon
>>98030702killa kans
>>98030746i'm guessing you think world of warcraft looks good
>>98030741exactly.
>>98030756I'm guessing you think the new starfox looks good
>>98030724>>98030733It looks like they directly put a mini into the animation, when minis aren't supposed to be 1:1.It was more obvious in the old days when chunky heroic scale models were drawn realistically in the art.
>>98030765You sound like the retard who thought the 9th edition cinematic literally used the CAD files for the character models
>>98030741that ain’t true. that’s just an attempt by you to pretend any criticism of GW is unreasonable. kommandos, tankbustas, and much of the ork side of the armageddon box have been met with nothing but praise, and are a lot of them are even called better than the models they refreshed despite constant doomposting before their actual releases.
>>98030765I fucking hate this shit about modern 40k adaptations, the only one that ever got it right in the modern day is Astartes, with the appropriately proportioned weapons and marines. Everything else just ports the HEROIC SCALE miniatures 1:1
>>98030777>kommandos, tankbustas, and much of the ork side of the armageddon box have been met with nothing but praiserevisionistpeople SHAT on the kommandos for not looking orky, said tankbustas were a downgrade with forced schizo loadouts, and complained to no end about tactical rocks and monopose dynamic sculpts for the armageddon ork half
>>98030780>Everything else just ports the HEROIC SCALE miniatures 1:1Blind and retarded, this isn't the hobby for you
>>98030776>I imagined you picked a bad position and then I won the argument in my head!Congrats I guess.>>98030780Astartes is literally one of the best things in sci-fi. Good news is his fingerprints are all over recent 40k stuff, just not this one I guess.>>98030791Did you do the animation or something? If you're going to be so defense you could come up with an actual reason why it doesn't look weird.
>>98030785did people in this generally actually dislike the tankbustas? there wasnt anything wrong with them
>>98030791you retarded orsomething? do you not know what heroic scale is?
>>98030777I got banned because I didn't think the admech tank looked out of place when it came out. If you don't agree with the contrarianism you get banned around here
>>98030733>we really need a game more inspired by John Blanche's illustrationsYes. 1000% YES!
>>98030733>a game more inspired by John Blanche's illustrationsStop, you'll scare the marinepiggies!!!
Oh no, I dropped a bunch of bits on an empty deodorant stick, what shall I do?
>>98030848I'm... gonna need to do multiple primer coats.
>>98030840Oh no. We would be ruined. Anything but the briar patch!
I hate playing against marines. All your dudes look the same and you have like a million different characters. >um actually that’s a mk 11 glup shitto ubermarine with a 1 up invuln save, not the mark 10.5 übermarine with a 2 up invuln save and rerolls on 1
>>98030848>>98030853BASED
>>98030848>>98030853KEK
>>98030859marines keep your game afloat, femboi show some respect.
>>98030840Not just the marinepiggies. Think of all the normies who think 40k is just brightly colored funko pops being LE EPIC!!!! with the occasional skull or servitor to the tune of LE EPIC REDDIT ORCHESTRA because of the atrocity that is SM2. Think of how they'd react to a Blanche-inspired hellscape using Zorn palette colors as spooky gothic horror music plays.
>>98030876>Blanchitsu wasn't just a massive movement for the last 5 years that only lost steam when it got flandarized to hell
>>98030876>Think of all the normies who think 40k is just brightly colored funko pops being LE EPIC!!!!Anon....you know it can be both and at one point was.
>you can’t take slaanesh daemons in emperor’s children unless you choose a specific detachmentThat’s super fucking gay.
>>98030900Don't, you'll scare the fake grogs.
>>98030804>y-you're defensiveno, just pointing out you don't know what heroic scale means or what the models look like>>98030811do you not know? The models in that cinematic and nothing from official GW look nothing like the scale of the actual models you fucking blind retard
>>98030908not as gay as wanting to play EC or slaanesh
>>98030876>brightly colored funko pops being LE EPIC!!!! with the occasional skull or servitor to the tune of LE EPIC REDDIT ORCHESTRAHuh, you just perfectly encapsulated why I hate SM1 and SM2. Fucking terrible representations of 40k, never got why people love them so much. A more milsim-esque adaptation would seem much more thematically fitting and in-line with visceral descriptions we get in codices and novels (in Know No Fear, 2-3 bolt rounds to the chest is all it takes to kill a marine who isn't wearing artificer or terminator armor, for instance). >"There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter and the laugher of thirsting gods. But the universe is a big place and, whatever happens, you will not be missed..."
>>98030900If i could get this but with gameplay that's less gay and retarded than SM1 and SM2, I'd be very satisfied.
>>98030935Hotline Miami is the only game outside of the arcade era I've even seen get away with the protagonist being that squishy. The gameplay needs to be tight as FUCK for it to work, otherwise it just feels like the game bullying you.
>>98030943....anon....it....its is. anon you litearlly could get war trains if you played squats, they have units we STILL dont have in 40k yet.
>>98025646They put a bunch of wrong-sized bases in (three extra 32mm bases instead of 28mm), which a little googling says is somewhat common with this box. Is it worth contacting GW support for three correct-size bases?
>Geneseed tithesmeeh, whoever came up with that boring concept, just totally kills the idea of having traitor geneseed loyalist chapters out there.
>>98030946Have you ever played hideous destructor? I imagine it'd be like that, but much easier against human-level enemies.
>>98030985>can't be a fucking edgy OC donut steel snowflakeMore like the best idea GW has come up with.
>>98030531No, don’t collect this way. Shoot for a 1000 point death guard army first, making sure you have a mix of battleline, infantry, and vehicles. You’ll want to at least have a few 9 strength guns on something. Assemble and paint all that, and start playing at your lgs. Pretty much anyone will play noobies in a 1k game on free play nights, or team up with you for a 2x1k vs 2k game. Build and prime your shit at least, and play it, then start expanding to one detachment 2k, before letting your collection expand to more alternate models that’ll let you play other detachments.But don’t go out and buy 3000 points of an army you’ve never played, then find yourself sitting on a grey pile of shame of an army you aren’t feeling anymore.
>>98030994Boltgun was a step on the way there. The bolter was really satisfying desu.
>>98031008It was a step on the way there until you encounter chaos marines who are both bolt sponges and have bolters that deal peashooter damage to you
>>98030935The relative toughness of the video game space marines helps make up for the centuries of training and experience that the player definitely does not have. You could have Squad or Arma 40k for sure, but making Space Marines feel dangerous while also being fragile would be tricky.
>>98031020>chaos marines who are both bolt sponges and have bolters that deal peashooter damage to youi mean.....tabletop accurate i guess?
>>98030853reminds me of this thing from star wars
>these are all part of the same faction in the same fictional universeyou wot mate
Can a chaos cult follow two gods at the same time? I was thinking having it leaded by twins each dedicated to one god. Not that every cultist in there follows both gods, but more like the cult is split in half with each twin controlling one half.
>>98030848>>98030853This strikes fear into the hearts of all Nurglites.
>>98031042Tabletop accurate with 2W marines, sure, but with 1W marines? Those fuckers die twice as much to bolter fire while still having some level of protection against it, it's pretty accurate
>>98031064>good artwork>shitty joytoy>shitty artworkyes, I can believe these all depict the same faction in-universe, two of these are just shit depictions.
>>98031039>centuries of training and experience that the player definitely does not have.Mouse aiming is infinitely easier than aiming a real gun. If anything, a game about space marines should have really tight controls, just because you're in the shoes of someone who has retardedly fast reflexes. The trouble is that games with controls that tight are once in a generation, and GW ain't the guy. ULTRAKILL, Hotline Miami, Valve multiplayer games, Doom. At the same time, ceramite is super tough until it isn't. Spam chaff units that do basically no damage to you so you still feel like a badass in between dodging bolter rounds.When in doubt, copy Astartes lol.
>>98030853Do you plan on using this sludge in a game?
>>98031064Post Guilliman Imperium became more heroic and literally immediately got the good guy aura nerf.>>98031075>they are works of fiction drawn by different people>I am highly intelligent
>>98031066Can they not kill each other and fight side by side? Sure that’s a pactbound zealots strike force. But they’d never grow alongside each other, and be a standing army/cult in the lore like you want. Undivided cults worship the emblem, and individual god cults would just all worship their individual god and go where there’s more of them. Your hypothetical twins would value their god cult loyalty more than their sibling bond and part ways to go follow their calling.
>>98031075No alternate artist rendition is going to make ultramarine primaris look like anything but Halo spartan knockoffs from another universe. Cadians were also always just an excuse to get starship troopers in 40k. Both of them becoming the poster boys for the setting despite being the worst fit is just terrible.
I just realised this dude doesn't have any butcher's nails
>>98031113Do you play Marines?
>>98031113Ultramarines need to lean into the bling HARD to look good, or the white details from first company. Basically the less blue the better, having your armor be a primary color in a blocky pattern is rough.
>>98031115he's not an OG world eater
>>98031082Reflexes, strength and precision can all be replicated easily. Its the battlefield experience you can't simulate. Its why Squad and Hell Let Loose feel like Battlefield+ rather than anything resembling "realistic".
>>98031139Doesn't matter, all world eaters get the nails, and you definitely can't be a lord of the world eaters without the nails. This is definitely just an oversight.
>>98031178>all world eaters get the nailswrong
>>98031176>Reflexes, strength and precision can all be replicated easily.How? Slowmotion and aimbot? That's cringe. Just have the gun aim where you aim it and fire when you fire it.>Its the battlefield experience you can't simulate.As if a lot of players don't have a fuckton of hours in FPS games. It's ok to make a game that lets players be not retarded, Boltgun had yellow paint for fuck's sake.>Its why Squad and Hell Let Loose feel like Battlefield+ rather than anything resembling "realistic".Ever played Insurgency or Arma?
>>98031195I think you would be ostracised within the world eaters if you didn't have them, it'd be a case of when are you getting the nails, not if. There would have to be a full warband without the nails for it to make sense. One dude without nails in an army with the nails is silly.
I am confused. If a vehicle blocks line of sight to a whole unit (or a single model) does that mean they cannot be shot at?
Spent the weekend painting up some old Rangers. These are the first metal models I've painted since my childhood, and they were a real blast to work with.
>>98031217yes, but most vehicles have a little bit of empty space underneath and this counts for vision
I think this one turned out to be my favorite, if only for the fact I think this is the first time I've ever painted an eye decently.
>>98031217Yes, but true line of sight means that if you can look through the tiny gap under a vehicle to see the squad on the other side, then you can still shoot them. It's really fucking stupid.
>>98031224eww, people play like that?
And here they are chilling with my Ranger Wraithlord from last month's collage. Up next is finishing up some Wraithguard and another Wraithlord, then the Eldar go on hold so I can go work on this month's Collage.
>>98031230tis the rules, the same rules that let you shoot from or to a model there's line of sight from an antenna to a toenail
>>98031230Believe it or not, it likely came up in the design meetings on the primaris repulsor tank.
>>98031234Understood. So as it stands, basing a model for blocking is a thing if it has a base.
>>98031066Why not? Its a big galaxy. They can be a Cult of Chaos Undivided that favors two of the gods in particular, or just worshipping minor gods/demons.
>>98031215Yeah if it wasn't enforced I don't see why anyone would do them after Angron's out of the picture (and when he's summoned he'll kill you anyway so it's not a factor).Besides, if you're the only one around who isn't in a tard rage, it's hard to keep up.
>>98031243>I don't see why anyone would do themBecause they serve Khorne, the butcher's nails let them serve Khorne better by making them crave slaughter all the time. They don't think rationally like "hmmmm I should not give myself brain damage", they're trying to please their god as much as possible, world eaters don't have restraint of any kind.
>>98031236>>98031234I don't play like that with my bros, people who play like that deserve physical intimidation.
>>98031238>basing a model for blocking is a thing if it has a baseI may be stupid here but I have no idea what you mean, true line of sight applies regardless of whether models have a base or not
>>98029400In 9th edition, the grenade launcher cost points. Now it doesn't but the option still has to exist.You do have to use the larger base if you use the mole grenade launcher for a model.
>>98031260I don't either, but if someone else chooses to play like that, I don't stop them, because it's just straight up correct.
>>98031267true
>>98031260I play like that even with my closest bros because "ok it sees it from the tip of the antenna, roll them dice" is way faster than "ok it sees it from the antenna but also from the hand up to the third finger and also I could have rotated the model after moving it and I'd see it way easier do we count this in or not" simply loses too much time.
>>98031260stop ban evading pedo
>>98031267just because it's correct doesn't mean it is right
>>98031316Yeah, I know, hence why I don't play like that, but it's insane to call out your opponent for playing by the rules
>>98031309We just play with common sense and it seems to work out well. >>98031314kys
Does anyone else see a cool model then immediately decide to build something similar, until you see another cool model 5 minutes later?
>>98031339nah I do my own shit
>>98031382No you dont
>>98031393What do you mean?
>>98031339All the time. It's why I can't decide what to do for my next army. I see a cool project for X, research it for bits or items I'd need, see a new thing for Y, shift. At least I don't buy stuff and then shift. I suppose it's helping me avoid giving James more and more money.
>>98031395I mean I don’t believe you.
>>98031410Oh okay, move on bitch.
Would you let me use this datasheet legends unit if I forego the weapon upgrades and just make them melee cultists?>I want 240 cultists using flagellants
>>98031523https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k10ed/factions/chaos-space-marines/Cultist-Mob-with-FirearmsI be idiot for not posting the cultist mob with firearms page.
>bought some stuff>gw releases more shitDaddy is all tuckered out, no more buying for now.
>>98031523>would you let me waste your entire day with spamJust tell me you want to fuck me all day long and be done with it.
>>98031523Legends don't mean "you can't use them", they're just units that don't receive balance updates any more, and often can't be used in tournaments (but not all of them). You can use whatever legends units you like.
>>98031533I would use small trays they'd be magnetized to that is more like moving 7 at a time.>center one dude>surrounded by 6 dudes>move like its a monstrous creature on a base, without turning it>base counts as terrain, super thin, used until they get into melee combatI would have to cut the sheets myself, not paying 30 bucks per disk.
>>98031537I see. Wheres the legends manifesto that are the official rulings, is it on the GW website somewhere?
>old GSC combat patrol is worth 320 bucks>new is 269 bucksSoAll the contents of the old combat patrol are up nearly 20% in 3 years.Also makes me think- the Deathwatch Battalion for Armageddon costs 234 bucks retail from GW. Why didn't they just not cheap out and throw a fuckin watchmaster in there.Of course I know the reason why, all the new combat patrols kind of suck ass in 2026.
If you're starting Thousand Sons is the battleforce worth it for the vortex beast? Everything else seems really playable but the beast throws me off.
>>98031557Found it, I had to go through google, not the GW website.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9Px2A3Wv/warhammer-legends-bring-your-heroes-back-to-the-battlefield-with-free-rules-downloads/>ctrl-f * (search for asterisks)
>>98031557I have no fucking idea what you're asking me
The new combat patrols are only around 230 bucks of value...... while GSC came out 2 years agoIf you're thinking of buying you should buy sooner rather than later, people telling you to buy before it's out of stock are nust fucking you over for when GW raises prices another 10% and releases their new game "Go fuck yourself patrol" where you get 300 points of models that normally cost 190 but they'll discount it to only 180 dollars, just for you!
>>98031567Means what they intend legends units to be used and their future in the game. At least how I used it.
>>98031564Vortex beasts were good last time i played, it's a really good box.
>>98031571I know what manifesto means, but you phrase things in weird ways
On the note of the GW legends listen on the website, it appears there are units not listed there that are on the wahapedia. Is the idea fucked? (240 cultists) I see nothing regarding even half of what wahapedia has listed for legends units in the chaos range.
>>98031595That article is almost 3 years old, and they don't give updates that way any more. Legends unit datasheets are in the individual faction packs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-40000/
>>98031602Thank you for the buff.
>>98031568Having gone through the “buy combat patrol, have it sit on shelf, end up reselling after making like 2 minis” experience, my advice is to start tiny (like 1 free mini of the month if you can), then buy build and paint a squad, then another, and build up that way. I don’t know about cost but you won’t end up with a pile of sprues
Which armies are AGP? Which are HSTS?
>>98029366Its a singular shitty artist who continuously draws guns comically thin.How does gw not pull him up on it? It looks retarded.
>>98031641He made it AR-15 thin. Not great for 50mm diameter bullets.
>>98031623I like it when shit sits on a shelf so when I'm melting down over people posing about their 300k wfh software engineer job that is somehow AI proof while I'm stuck fixing machinery for 80k a year with my mech engineer degree instead of anything cool I think less about killing myself when I can pull out a little Death Guard vehicle and assemble it without having to go through the process of waiting for it to arrive in the mail.
>>98031564if the box cost 30 bucks less or they put in like 10 rubric marines this box would be really worth it.>the beastI want this. I want a thousand sons army of freaks on discs, rubrics zipping through the air doing maneuvers, a unit of rubrics that is just all soul cannons, ugly monsters, a sorceror posed summoning a daemon. Those Silver Shards from age of sigmar and importantly no fucking tzaangors. Curse my limited kitbash skills and limited attention span and losing 120,000 dollars in stock profits.
>>98031641It’s not as bad as that one artist who did cgi sloppa.
>>98030741This is cope
>>98031666waste of trips
>>98031533>An ARMY?! In my WAR game?!
>>98031339My minis are cooked up in my dreams. Or by necessity to hide conversion quirks since I cant greenstuff.
>>98031672>ntaI mull over lots of horde armies. The weakest ones are the ones I want most which is unfortunate. Orks and Nids would work better. Besides I plan on taping over them with masking tape to give their robes texture, and giving all of them hoods. Using bulk wire bits as pistol housing with a bit of dense sipping straw as the barrels. (paper straws are like this)I went more with cultists because I already own chaos stuff.
>>98031581Cool, I may consider it since my lgs has like 4. Thanks.>>98031657I think I can get it for 210? Seems pretty reasonable. An anon the other day got me thinking of the army with their conversion idea of Iskandar and a sphirax from sigmar. Would be neat to make that some kind of centerpiece conversion even if they are technically black legion.
>>98031564nta but would that box be worth it if I already had a magnus sitting around from when he first released and nothing else
>>98031657man that must've sucked losing 120k rupiah
>>98031745Everything in that box is pretty useful. If you're starting TS, it's a good box.
Didn't the last guy who was blogposting about starting TS give up after 5 rubrics
>>98031754where would you want to go from after the battleforce in terms of making an army?
>>98031786more infantry, decide on the thought if you want to do flamers and transports or otherwise
I'm looking at cult marks (khorne) and Nightmare hunt for my cultists to work with. A failed LD test loses D3 models and the benefit, while nightmare hunt can just chip damage and cause LD fails so I can score-and-ignore.Thoughts on either? I'm leaning nearer to nightmare hunt detachment.
>>98031732>I think I can get it for 210? Seems pretty reasonable. An anon the other day got me thinking of the army with their conversion idea of Iskandar and a sphirax from sigmar. Would be neat to make that some kind of centerpiece conversion even if they are technically black legion.some cunt was selling it on ebay for 170 2 months ago. I should have bought. But I don't like to spend like a retard, even if I would have sold some of the models to cover the excess costs.
I should have tried to grab a Devlan box the other day. Would have unloaded the cards, cadians and termagants to someone else and had a nice NPO for deathwatch and a beast for my nids. Not paying 300 dollars though.Actually it's still strange to me that Nightbringer wasn't in the other box.
>>98031658Which one? Philip Sibbering?
Should I do this with my cultists?
>>98031883did you buy an old defiler before they went oop or is this a figurative representation of the new one.>cults WORSHIPING a daemon engine as a living shrine to chaosSeems cool
>>98031890I would go a different route. But this would be for later onward.
>>98031895
>>98027583built for fighting a giant crab
>>98030180Good use of an old raffle ticket.
>>98031912Rock on.Thinking of splitting the shoulder plates that would get in the way of the autocannons to become the ends of the legs. Lots of guitar wire stabbing into the ground that 'holds it up' among other ideas. Also, some fiber optic wire could fit inside the autocannon tubes to turn them into lascannons. Switch between autocannons and lascannons between matches. The huge plasma thing the dread comes with would become chest or top mounted depending how I feel about it.
>>98031920defilers and khorne lords should be in the chaos knights list.>>98030180>>98030230Reminds me of working at UPS during holiday season. Just needs some way to simulate upper management turning heating off in the dispatch office. Never worked seasonal management again, it's unironically easier to drive a truck or car seasonally because at least you can have the heat on.
>>98031912The rough of it. You made me want to piecemeal the idea into an image.
>>98031967but where do the defiler legs go
Alright>capone savings offers me '10 dollars off of 20 spent>I have a VISA gift card for 30 bucks>I can use these combined to buy one of those stupid ass harlequin Shadowseers and 10 bux back and then get me a deaf jester for 15 bucks with the 10 bucks back, leaving only the Solitaire>or do this but with Kharseth/Corsair Void DreamerAt last after 2 years, the long arc leading me to collect all the 'quins is coming full circle.
>>98031977Tentacle legs made from guitar wire and whatever else I decide on. That wasnt a full edit. It could be as easy as beads on a thick string glued together and the holes filled with stuff.
>>98031821Battle shock is getting gigabuffed so I'd consider it
>>98031912
>>98032005I saw that its recurring until battle shock is passed and at -1 to the roll it might be worth the shot with 240 cultists.>maybe 30 traitor guard and 30 beastmen to round out 300 dudes
>>98032011When are you planning on finishing painting them? 2036?
>>98032018they would be covered in robes entirely so its simple as zenithal spray and speedpaint with a bit of panel liner in the crevaces>about 40 seconds a model in a production line
>>98032021Based if delivering.
>>98032022Not bought it yet. It's a big purchase I'm talking around first. Instead of ya know, splurging and regretting.
>>98032027Just buy recasts for this
>>98032005They still haven't confirmed battleshock forcing snapshots but god knows it should.
>>98032041Damage tables should also be part of the core rules in 11th.
Why are they killing yarrick?
>sir your package is arriving on wednesday>check tracking>it says it's literally at my post office right nowSoAre they going to bring it today oooooooooooooor just hold onto it for 2 days
>>98032061they have to smash it against a wall for a couple days
>>98032061processing time is alotted because at times post office is understaffed>my post office has been a skeleton crew for almost 20 years
I have never seen minis on ebay being sold for less than the discount you get at discount outlets. Sometimes I see easily available minis being sold for more than MSRP.
Repulsor executioners have an actual niche but regular repulsors add literally nothing to the army and should be squatted alongside impulsors.
>>98028346Table looks like ass m8. This is what a 6th ed table looks like.
>>98030858reminder that apparently everyone fucking hates this blanche-castellan
>>98032107From what I remember 6th had TLOS, right? This board would have worked much better with the 3rd/4th mixed LOS rules where any area terrain bigger than 3" was obscuring. With pure TLOS this board is pure bowling ball planet.
what killed the hype? will this be the first underperforming starter box?
>>98031113>Cadians were also always just an excuse to get starship troopers in 40kI always thought that GW should've gone for Jes Goodwin's 1993 IG concept art for IG posterboys instead of just partially using it while fusing it with starship troopers to make modern cadians in the late 90's
>>98032130It should have had a tactical squad.
>>98032144Designing kits with modularity and expansionproof? In 40k? Impossible, that technology can only exist in 30k.
>>98032154It was going to be beautiful.
>>98032130>what killed the hype?Playing it too safe with the marines>will this be the first underperforming starter box?Never underestimate the appetite of primarispiggies for slop.
>>98032163>Playing it too safe with the marines????????????
>>98027226Eldar were better psykers and better technologically than what we know of the Krorks. They could basically terraform entire planets with the press of a button.
>>98032169Captain that looks like the 9th edition launch captain.Intercessors with a few mk7 helmets.Vanvets that barely look fancier than jump assault intercessessors.Gravis heavy weapons guys that are just the same unit as the melta guys with a worse weapon.Landspeeder that's kinda like the old one.I don't understand what has you so confused. A whole 12 question marks worth. Do you think that being so boring loops around from playing it safe to actually become a bold move?
>>98032179if 11th ed marines remain 4 shots a model with the special rule I may buy a few sets and trade the orks
>>98027226Krorks were barbarians.Eldar are mages.Both can use magic, but 1 of them is more proficient at it than the other.Same goes for punching shit, eldar could also go around physically beating necrons, but Krorks were just better at it.
>>98032130>what killed the hype? Another intercessors and heavy intercessors. Vanguard "Veterans" looking less blinged out than the standard Black Templar initiate. ANOTHER Captain mini with a shield. They couldve made termi captain with shield and sword, but instead its a mini that not only exists, but anyone with a Bladeguard vet or lieutenant with shield can proxy.Also the tactical rocks are getting outrageous. Even normies (I mean instagram normies, not reddit circlejerks) are starting to notice them.>will this be the first underperforming starter box?Hell no. The orks half will carry the sales. So GW will learn nothing from this.
>>98032179That's not playing it safe that's more primaris garbage that shouldn't exist. Playing it safe would have been making a tactical squad and a castra ferrum dreadnought and it would have been better.
>>98032185Sorry bro, that's coming for the inevitable Scouring expansion for Horus Heresu.
>>98032181>if 11th ed marines remain 4 shots a model with the special ruleMeaning?
>>98032187Can't we just make a containment game for primaris and shove them there instead?
>>98032188It seems overpowered with some strategies. The detachment that gives +1 to wound rolls or otherwise anything similar makes them all-performing zero weakness firepower.
>>98032194Yeah but what marines are you talking about? Intercessors?
>>98032011>>98032018acquire 3 red corsairs combat patrolsSell the Reaver Captain, Reavers and Rhino. Play it right and you spend only 91 bbucks for 60 models.
>>98027448I think it's more likely that the Brain Boyz are just Old Ones. Since the name does make sense from a modern ork point of view.Modern orks are very simple, so them seeing another race create an entire species, must be "Brain Boyz" because you gotta have lot of brains to figure out how to do that.
>>98032195Intercessors, Heavy Intercessors, Heavy Bolter/Missile Launcher spam(devastators). Among a few others. Being able to vomit 260 shots at 2+ with +1 to wound rolls inside 2000 pts is harsh.
>>98032205Ints getting extra shots if they remain stationary is fine IMO. Getting access to +1 to wound for doing nothing is the problematic part, I believe. But I think it's all a cascade derived from moving from an additive S/T table to a multiplicative one making +1S a lot, lot weaker than it used to be.
>>98032189Unfortunately we're the ones getting a containment game. It's either older editions, or Horus Heresy.
>All Chaos are now unsouped into 5 separate Forces of Chaos codexes>Hedonites of SlaaneshContains rules for World Eaters+other Slaanesh CSM, Traitor Slaanesh Guard, Dark Mechanicum and Slaaneshi demons>Madmen of TzeentchContains rules for Thousand Sons+other Tzeenchian CSM, Traitor Tzeenchian Guard, Dark Mechanicum and Tzeench demons>Butchers of Khorne Contains rules for Emperor's Children+other Khornate CSM, Traitor Slaaneshi Guard, Dark Mechanicum and Slaaneshi demons>Maggotkin of NurgleContains rules for Death Guard+other Nurglite CSM, Traitor Nurglite Guard, Dark Mechanicum and Nurglite demons>Lost and the DamnedContains rules for Black Legion+Sons of Malice+other Chaos Undivided (and Chaos Divided) CSM, Traitor Guard, Dark Mechanicum and generic Chaos/Malice demonsDo you rike it?
>>98032215They get +2 shots moving or not; all of them must target the same unit is the limiter.It's 40 shots, hitting on 2+ standing still, +1 to wound because they're using a weapon that already has a heavy rule.
>>98032221Yaaaawn.Chaos should be just chaos. Stop with this monogod shit.
>>98032221This is slop.
>>98032130pffft fuck the marine enthusiasts this is OUR time ork bros
>>98032221>Hedonites of Slaanesh>Contains rules for World Eaters+other Slaanesh CSM>Butchers of KhorneContains rules for Emperor's Childrenbut yeah, it sounds cool
>>98032199Knowing the lore that all of this is based on (Slann), that's very unlikely from a out of universe perspective.
>>98032064>processing time is alotted because at times post office is understaffedNone of this would be a problem if they accepted my application in 2018 instead of ghosting me. Imagine that.
>>98032229Whoops I am posting tired sorry
>>98032097why did the FIRST SUPERHUMAN SON OF THE EMPEROR enjoy drawing?Also since we're in HH shit, emperor and erda had like 30000 years to make a kid. Did they not, because children don't inherit their parents powers naturally, and that's why he had to science some immortal sons?
>>98032231It's really not.
>>98032222What are they getting +1 to wound from? And yeah they should only get the extra shots if they didn't move.
>>98032237Emp's pp too big for Erda.
>>98032097Leetu is just bad as a character. He's not interesting.
>>98032243I'm not sure why you think repulsor executioners are a character.
>>98032221Traitor Guard, Mutant Warlords and Dark Mech really need their own dexDark Mech may even need their own dex entirely.
>>98032242I was at a cafe full of cute girls yesterday. Bitches like 4 foot 11. I think my dick may have honestly been too big for most fo them. The owner had to have been selecting for short girls in general.
If I were to do CSM as whatever-models into one codex I would just have a marks of chaos dedication and unmarked each having different benefits. They already are doing such things in the detachments. I would go further.....Khorne units gets +2" to charge moves.Slaanesh units gets +2" advance moves.Nurgle units gets benefit of cover.Tzeentch units gets D3" movement once when enemy units come within 12".Undivided units roll a D6, 5+ restores 1CP when used on them.>khorne is bloodthirsty, slaanesh is naturally quick, nurgle is covered in flies, tzeentch sees the future, this benefits most playstyles in a non-cult codex, undivided is tacticoolNon-marked units gets to pick one:A. Ranged weapons gain the Assault Keyword.B. Enemies within 6" get a -1 to battle shock tests.C. Units that remained stationary in cover get +1 to cover saves and shooting reroll of 1's.D. Free use of the Heroic Intervention Strategem on all units, multiple times.E. Etc... (you get the idea, legion specific)If all units maintain the same marks or unmarked they get to have a CP generation ability during the opponents turn and double the points they may use for cult allied units like berzerkers, noise marines etc.Fucking incentives to be purist, and benefits of combos for the impurist.
>vile vectorium box came with 6 death shrouds>same with combat patrol.....But whyShould have put 5 blight lords in with felthius and his deathshrouds.
>>98032221>hedonites>maggotkinAlready taken buckogiven the mistakes and names I assume a slopmachine typed this out?
>blightlords can be as few as 3 guys.....I want to sell lord felthius kek.
>>98032241Made it easier to understand here.TL:DR over 200 dead orks in one turn of shooting or 2 dead land raiders in one turn of shooting. Or the biggest titan in the game being brought down in three turns of shooting (2500pt titan)
My local LGS, who asks people on Facebook to write in the comment section if they want to pre-order stuff, just got 168 pre-orders for the Armageddon box. There's no doubt about it. Even if 11th Ed lacks new stuff, re-sculpts alone will sell gang busters. There's no end in sight for the 40k gravy train yet even though a lot of polled people online say they're sceptical
>>98032293I didn't account for the heavy bolters the HI's get or specify the wound-anything meant toughness 8 or higher. You get the idea though. Ten squads of 10 marines is hard to pin down, if one unit has to retreat you have three more puking bolter fire at your unit up close.
I wanted to set up two of my armies so it looks like they are fighting each other, but having two armies on the same bases is too samey.
>>98032324People use ground up styrofoam as snow and covers all their bases for theatrical photographs. You can blow the stuff off but don't inhale it. Doesn't leave a permanent layer on some surfaces like fine dust would.
>>98032332>scattering ground up styrofoam everywhereProbably the only thing worse would be glitter
>>98032361You do vacuum right?
>>98032381what a steal!
>>98032332>>98032366kill yourself
I really miss the old death guard aesthetics and I hope they do a range refresh on them.I think they completely fucked up their design in 8th.
>>98032384I genuinely don't know what the going rate is for 83 nurglings, I just think it's funny he collected 83 spare nurglings to sell. Now that I think of it, they're probably the little guys from the terminator, plague marine and other sprues that go on the bases.
>>98032221nah, just one big chaos bookcut down on some of the chaff
>>98032388the DG sculptor based it on his idea of the army, but you can make Green Legionaries: Rotting for your The Purge army instead.
>>98032388your hopes are futileget recasts, learn to convert or embrace the new lookthere's no other future ahead
throod?
>>98032388just paint everything a shade darker, and it’ll look fine.
>>98032407it wont because they are full of tentacles and other growths
>>98032293IDK man this looks like one of those wombo combos that sound great in paper but in practice you'll never get most of the benefits because positioning, cover, terrain blocking LOS and melee exist.
Who is stronger? Tau or Eldar?Could the Tau take down a craftworld?
>>98032388I'm gonna be honest man I don't see much difference other than DG not having access to heavy bolters for some reason.
>>98032278I know, I picked the names based on the AoS groups (as much as I dislike AoS).I can assure you it's not artificial intelligence, it's natural stupidity. I had a very small post window open and couldn't see what I had already written.I don't think AI would make a mistake like that anyway, it would be more likely to duplicate the names than to swap them around, since swapping them would require a memory of what goes where.Unfortunately my precise, list-based posting structure looks exactly like AI, and I hate it.
>>98032412They also come standard with 3 attacks each in melee. That's 300 melee dice if you want to play like a khornite.There's almost no downsides.
oh cool my package actually probably won't be delivered today because they sent it to the Airport mail room and are now sending it back so it's like>arrives at the post office near the airport 8 hours ago>ships to my post office 5 hours a go>ships it BACK to the airport post office 4 hours ago>ships it AGAIN to my post office 3 hours ago>won't be delivered because it needed to BE IN MY POST OFFICE 5 hours ago, like it wasIt's cool that they don't hire anyone, the post offices are just old boomers crying that they deserve to work until they're 90 and draw a pension simultaneously, and just generally retarded. I love that.And then complaining the government is cutting their funding due to being inefficient and stupid.
>>98032414Tau Empire is stronger than any individual Craftworld or Coven or Corsair Prince. But the Eldar as a whole, if they weren't so fragmented, are waaaaaay more powerful than the Tau.
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>>98032275>>98032284dg melty
>>98032493what am I meltying aboutDo you just like posting words even when they're wrong in context
