Can I have the QRD on fishfag?Who is he?What does he want?Why should I hate him?Ill post some art to keep it relevant
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>>98029826This is so fucking boring man. The board is dead enough and has shitty enough jannies that one autist can just amuse himself spamming threads for days. Congrats on finally killing this place for me, I guess.
>>98029846What did I do?
>>98029826A while back, a guy told a boring story about his players selling fish in a game called ACKS and then having the funniest meltdown over people calling it boring.When people called the story boring, he had a wild tantrum, and that's when he began calling everyone "fishfag." He continued doing that in later threads to anyone who criticized ACKS, and eventually even extending that to anyone who disagreed with him in any way.When ACKS launched a more recent kickstarter, he actually went around the board, trying to promote the game. He posted in the /5eg/ and got swiftly told to fuck off and his posts were deleted, and then tried in the /3eg/, where the residents there instead began to mock the shit out of him and his game. Eventually, the bullying got so bad, that the ACK shill posted perhaps that aforementioned funniest meltdown
>>98029826he's an autistic sperg who shits up the OSR threads, never shuts the fuck up about how any opinion different than his is wrong, searches the site constantly for any mention of themselves, and has no life outside of doing so.
>>98029826>Can I have the QRD on fishfag?At this point fishfag seems to be a disruptive meta entity /osrg/ blames for all the issues it currently has. The term seems to be mostly used as an insult thrown around when someone posts something that another poster doesn't feel suits /osrg/.>Who is he?Supposedly he originated as >>98029860 describes: An incident in /osrg/ became a meme. >What does he want?Hard to tell. Some accuse him as trying to push "OSR includes 2e D&D."Others accuse him of pushing the opposite idea. Neither idea of which make sense as 2e D&D has nothing to do with the inciting fish incident.>Why should I hate him?There is no reason to really. What you should do is ignore anyone using the term.
There is no "fishfag."A small group of trolls have taken it upon themselves to do two things: shill a game called ACKS (that was banned from Reddit for being shilled by a small group, probably just a complete coincidence though), and to turn the /osrg/ into an anti-2e, anti-NSR echo chamber.Around a year ago, one of these trolls started the process by calling everyone who criticized ACKS "fishfag," because as he told a story about how ACKS let his players be creative, people called the story boring because the players just went fishing and then sold the fish. He called anyone who criticized ACKS "fishfag" from then on.This troll appeared in the /osrg/, called more people fishfag for criticizing ACKS, and had his posts deleted. But, he kept ban-evading, spamming "fishfag" regardless of how many times his posts got deleted, and even would call the janitors "fishfag," showing how little he cared about how ridiculous he looked. Eventually, he (or they) expanded this to apply to anyone who wanted to discuss 2e in the /osrg/, and eventually just anyone who disagreed with them on anything.Then, after several months of this, the mods curiously stopped banning these trolls and deleting their posts. Shortly afterwards, in October they changed the /osrg/ OP, declared anyone who disagreed with it was the lone "fishfag", and proceeded to declare 2e/NSR/etc. were no longer allowed in the /osrg/.So now, we've got rampant, self-entitled trolls running around calling people "fishfag" as if it was some magic spell, and doing their best to build up a mythology where one person is their mystical enemy.
>>98029956hi fishfag
>>98029930>>98029956This seems true to me but the vitriol from the fishfag haters (hereto referred to as fishfaggers) makes me believe theres some sort of real event here. There is some contradictory and schizo comments from the fishfaggers that keep pulling me in either direction but the whole thing puts a bad taste in my mouth. I love to be a part of a good ol fashioned angry mob, but I need to know why im there.
>>98029998>looking for sanity in the insaneMy earnest advice is to just avoid these "fishfaggers", and to find a better way to waste your time.Maybe stare at a Jackson Pollock painting until some kind of narrative forms.
>>98029998>>98030037why are you replying to yourself?
>>98029839>I roll to seduce the dragon
>>98030037Im really bored and traveling
More art
>>98029860Sounds like the fish made himself a thread where he can make up lies and then try to convince people that they are the truth
>>98029956Hi fishfag.Are you still upset that the mods btfo you?>>98029998Don't let him fool you. Fishfag is some retard who wants /osrg/ to include 2e, despite the fact that he can't and has never played it. A couple months ago he went crying to the mods on IRC and they officially told him to fuck off, and instead of doing so he decided to triple down and has started spamming and trolling the entire board.
>>98029998>This seems true to me but the vitriol from the fishfag haters (hereto referred to as fishfaggers) makes me believe theres some sort of real event here.The fundamental thing is that they are unlikeable, obnoxious twats who shit up the board constantly. They shill ACKS, a garbage game, and try to trick people looking for a domain play system into playing it. (See attached for an example of its "amazing" domain rules.)They also want everybody to use their personal, bespoke meaning of "OSR," even though the vast majority of people don't use it that way, and become obnoxious spammers when you don't agree to go along with it. To be clear, they fully admit this is exactly what they do, then screech FISHFAG when you complain.These behaviors make everyone outside their little clique hate their guts, but they are too stupid to understand this, so they immediately begin screaming and calling everyone who dislikes them "fishfag". Because the mods are lazy faggots, they have yet to be banned for any of this.
>>98029826The issue you will find is the osrg trolls call pretty much every fishfag and cliam like a dozen posters are really this one dude they have a holy crusade against
>>98029860>>98029956>Fishfag frantically making shit up in a desperate attempt to make his nickname go away.In reality, he's somebody who's made hating ACKS, hating /osrg/, and hating The Night Land his whole personality.The specific way he's been trying to disrupt conversation on /osrg/, daily for over two years now, is to try and force AD&D 2e to be on-topic there. What makes it even more infuriating is that he's shown multiple times that he doesn't actually play or even know much about 2e. That's just the excuse he has been using.Also, he's been desperately trying to make his nickname go away because being recognised makes his job harder. He's tried all kinds of things, like calling other people fishfag, claiming there's no fishfag, and so on. If you've spent any time around him, you learn to recognise him pretty quickly because he has a bunch of odd obsessions, verbal tics, mannerisms, and schizo theories that he's been repeating obsessively every day for years.
>>98029860The revisionism is strong here.
>>98030520Sorry, I think im a little retarded. Are you saying the fishfaggers shill ACK or fishfag himself shills ACK.
>>98030592Also is ACK any good?
>>98030592NTA, but the fishfaggers sure ost a lot about ACKs. I mean a lot.
>>98029860>>98029930>>98029956>>98030520>>98030521Fishfag, if (You) want to make your nickname go away all (You) have to do is start acting and talking like a normal human being instead of being your usual samefagging false flagging trolling self.
>>98030598Well, if you want to play d&d accounting. I guess. It's a BX clone( bx is 64 pages) that is 500 pages. Not joking there is a 550 page BX clone. Not including the 432 page monster book.There is no sane reason for that size
>>98029860So, is Fishfag the ACKS player who had a meltdown, or is Fishfag just that guy's nickname for anyone who disagrees with him on some retarded sperg shit?
>>98030618That is a few different people my guy. You have to stop calling everyone pointing out your BS as if they are one person.
>>98030635Fishfag is the term used by the osrg fishfaggers for anyone who disagrees with them. That's it.
>>98030644>fishfag is fishfag's name for fishfags that fishfagYou're not making sense
>>98030650The osrg trolls "fish faggers" call everyone that disagrees with them or dares talk but 2e, OSR or the fact 2e is OSR outside of their restricted echo chamber fishfag.It's just what they call pretty much everyone
Is fishfag the jews of osrg??
>>98029826Well i see two things happening>1) someone keeps spamming dozens of OSR threads a day with a specific axe to grind about anything pre-3e being OSR (I dont care wither way, OSR is shit)>2) people seem to constently call this spammer fishfag>3) a huge number of posts in a highly verbose posting style have been made denying thisSo my guess is someone's running a chatbot to astroturf their spam of the OSR generals, and that person is fishfag because i cant imagine any more than a single person would care this much
>>98030650You can't expect weird trolls that flood threads they don't like to have an ounce of sense in them.By all logic, the guy who told the fish story would be the one called fishfag, but instead it's just a nonsensical phrase he throws about like he thinks anyone is supposed to imagine he's addressing them.
>>98030798I was the guy being addressed there and I am the one they keep calling fishfag, among at lest 4 others. They then changed to fake Hillbilly and sometimes fish fags GF when it's clear I am not the same fucking guy.They call everyone fucking fishfag
>>98030809Retards gonna retard.
Honestly, all of you guys should kill yourselves.
>>98029860This here is Fishfag himself posting, trying to confuse the issue to make his nickname (which he clearly hates) go away. An anon (who is actually extremely chill) posted a story about his not!Aztec campaign using the ACKS trade rules to good effect at one point. The ACKS hating anon lost his shit *so hard* at this that other anons started calling him, the ACKS hater, Fishfag, and he's never lived it down. He seethes about it to this day.
>>98030798I've been called fishfag on a couple occasions and I don't even have a fucking opinion about all this OSR purity spiral shit. It's just genuinely confusing that the term is both used to reference one specific guy and his stupid fish story, but also that same guy seemingly uses the name given to him to scream at other people
roll for schizo check
>>98029956>proceeded to declare 2e/NSR/etc. were no longer allowed in the /osrg/.Those games were never allowed in /osrg/ in the first place, as you know perfectly well.
>>98030520>Because the mods are lazy faggots, they have yet to be banned for any of this.Lmao it's not because they're lazy, I copped a warning for pushing your last faggoty thread over the bump limit with Nazis but didn't get banned
>>98030520Have you really still not figured out the rationale behind these two rolls? It's been MONTHS since you last cried about them, you should have been able to work this out by now. It's not like the math is hard or anything.
>>98030992To clarify, generals don't usually have enforceable rules. The mods certainly don't care. So all you have is bitching, and all they have is bitching, and all there is is bitching. You can be the one to stop bitching. I believe in you, Anon.
>>98030521>cliamListen. Buddy. My nigga. Pal. If you don't want to be identified as the same guy you NEED to stop always making the same idiotic typos and using the same exact autistic verbal tics.
>>98030634>bx is 64 pages>this is your OSR knowledge on fish
>>98031006>tripfaggingNah, I'll leave that to the anons bitching about 2e being outside the scope of the general, Darude Sandstorm Guy. I'm totally fine with them folding if they want peace; until then. cowabunga it is.
>>98029826It's an alias of Kanye West
>>98030598Ironically. The fishing rules are alright.
>>98031019once more you call everyone fishfag. BX was a 64 page rule book. With both sets that's 138. That is a far cry from 550
>>98031006Mods will 100% warn or ban you in osrg if you mention something the trolls dislike
>>98031051>BX was a 64 page rule book. With both sets that's 138.LMAO
>>98031060 The more you troll the clearer it becomes you have never played any version of D&d, much less the pre 3e ones.
>>98029860>>98029930>>98029956These guys are the same person: fishfag. He samefags constantly.>>98030745Basically, yes.The actual story, without getting into boring OSR minutiae: - The rare, occasional thread on an obscure book called The Night Land start getting a troll who went absolutely apeshit to a degree that no one talking about a book from a guy dead over 100 years should. - The rare, occasional thread about Dying Earth, a fantasy series from the 50-60s, started getting a similarly spergy troll. - /osrg fought with an absolute schizo for years, who would not shut the fuck up about 2nd edition no matter how many times he was told to fuck off. He would endlessly samefag, but had a very recognizable posting style and so was always caught. He was called 2efag or 2etard until one day an anon talking about a ACKS session where his players sold some fish made him absolutely lose his mind, after which he was rebranded to fishfag (this is the story he's trying to reverse up above). Something about ACKS makes him absolutely lose his mind: the surest way to summon this schizo is to say anything about ACKS anywhere. - Fishfag was eventually driven out of /osrg after his constant attempts to lawyer through the general's OP wording caused the general to reword it specifically to tell him to fuck off (you can also open the group pastebins, which have notes to the same). He then started trolling threads related to /osrg. - Pic related happens in October of last year and everyone realizes that he's the same fucking idiot schizo whose been nonstop shitposting and samefagging for several years over multiple threads with exact same style and arguments and typos.tl;dr fishfag is one guy, samefags a lot to confuse the issue whenever possible, and is absolutely, stark-raving, howl at the moon fucking bonkers.
>>98031071Kek, that came out of the right asshole. You don't even know the terminology of B/X, or the page count. You clearly never actually looked at these books.
>>98031019>>98031060Anon, if you're being a nigger because he said BX instead of Moldvay Basic, I will reach through the internet and confiscate your penis.
>>98031081Can confirm this is the correct explanation.In fact, him samefagging to try to confuse the issue seems to have started in that very thread where he got found out; that was the first time he tried to claim that Fishfag was other people IIRC. It looked like he just panicked and couldn't thiink of any other way to get out of it. (Not that that worked either.)
>>98031109A telemolestor too, now? Tut tut, is there no depth to which you won't sink?
>>98031081> Fishfag was eventually driven out of /osrg after his constant attempts to lawyer through the general's OP wording caused the general to reword it specifically to tell him to fuck offSpecifically, the /osrg OP change, made by community consensus (a fact that always drives him into a rage) caused him to embark on an enormous thread spam spree of fake /osrgs by genuine for-real not-fishfag authors, sometimes literally a dozen a day, all that removed the new OP language in one way or another. These were then immediately mass reported by /osrg regulars and either deleted by the mods (this was back when they were still moderating the site), or spammed to death as his new threads are being now. He then went to IRC to complain to the mods, where they told him to go away. That has led to this current parade of fishfag Sam's Club /osrg knock-offs.That about catches us up.
>>98031102You know they are called bx, I know they are called bx. Hell son, they are easy as fuck to find in PDF forum at least.Must you troll over everything and act this dumb?
>>98031147>community consensus >On 4chanA suspect assertion even back when we could still see poster counts.
>>98031147>/osrg OP change, made by community consensusSource: penis filled ass.
>>98031165Bear in mind that, as mentioned, it's very easy to spot fishfag posts and so tell that the complaints came from him. Even ignoring that, though, the easiest way to tell is if the change sticks. There's no magic thread powers to make a new OP stick: if the general doesn't like it, they tell the guy to fuck off and put the old one back in place. If he's determined to make his change stick, he has to fight with everyone who doesn't want it, and while he'll get a few threads he rushes out first, inevitably he'll lose as the people with numbers on their side are better able to make threads with the OP they want. This is basic 4chan.Fishfag tried making a whole bunch of new /osrgs with a pile of variations on the old language and no one but him posted in them. He also tried forcibly merging 3eg and the 1st edition part of pgg last year and ... most everyone in the general told him to fuck off and those threads went back to the way they were too.It's very easy, over the long term, to tell what actual posters of a general want versus what one guy samefagging with an agenda wants. Fishfag, to his frustration, has never been able to explain this away, so he just glides over it whenever possible.
>>98031192Hi fishfag
>>98031198Dude, my first ever post in osrg I got a warning for saying no we're else uses the definition of OSR that excluded 2e. I had no idea y'all had an ongoing jihad but the ideas someone is not protecting the osrg and going after those who speak our seems false to me.
>>98031198>Bear in mind that, as mentioned, it's very easy to spot fishfag postsI've been called fishfag six times before breakfast just trying to figure out what you nignogs screaming about.
>>98031216What you nignogs *are screaming about.I'm going to bed.
>>98031198>Fishfag, to his frustration, has never been able to explain this away, so he just glides over it whenever possible.Part of his outrage is definitely about the fact that everything you just wrote is like inscrutable wizard shit to him, like whatever brain problem it is he's got going on he simply can't wrap his head around stuff like this. It's obvious from all the crying he does about his fake rival generals getting flooded out, "how can this be happening to me?!". He genuinely doesn't understand these dynamics.>>98031210You probably shouldn't have used your first post in /osrg/ to post inaccurate bait then.
>>98031216I think the fishfagger is either post blind or a schizophrenic who thinks all other posters look the same. Or probably knows he's wrong but keeps talking anyway because he thinks he needs to convince people. He seems like a total fag.
>>98031165>suspect assertionsThat's 100% what these guys are.
>>98031286lol seething
>>98030637>I am multiple peopleWrong. You're not even one person, since you're a subhuman
>>98030798>weird trolls that flood threads they don't likeIf you create copycat threads of a general to try and troll it or take it over, the regulars of that general will shitpost in it and insult you. There's not a single general on /tg/ that would allow you to do something like that unopposed. It's not "weird trolling", it's normal human behaviour, something you're unable to wrap your head around.And by shitting up the whole board with multiple spam threads at the end time for days on end you're only making yourself more visible, more recognisable, and more hated by everyone here. You're achieving the exact opposite of what you set out to do, fishfag.
>>98031233My first post wasn't vait. It was a comment on posts I saw in there. And I know the osrg has a weird ass definition not used by the IDR community at large, so just pointed out the shit they were pushing wasn't the norm.Nothing more
>>98031216They call every fucking one fishfag
>>98030809>there's five of us!And yet you're utterly unable to have any conversations among you that isn't obvious astroturfing devoid of any actual content.Quit your bullshit, fishfag
>>98030978>It's just genuinely confusing that the term is both used to reference one specific guy and his stupid fish story, but also that same guy seemingly uses the name given to him to scream at other peopleNo, the name fishfag was always for the guy who hates ACKS (the game) and the fishing story. Thing is, fishfag is so desperate to make his nickname go away that he false flags a bunch, or he samefags dozens of posts saying that he's totally not fishfag but somebody else.
>>98031372 Not everyone is fishfag son. But you are a fishfagger
>>98031051>you call everyone fishfagIf you're do desperate to make the nickname go away, all you have to do is start behaving like a normal human beings. Your severely autistic fixations and frankly weird mannerisms are what give you away.
>>98031081Excellent summary. Will save it and reuse it the next 100 times fishfag tries to obfuscate.
>>98030598It's very good. One of the best systems out there. Practically redefines the garbage that is OSR.
>>98031165Mods can see IPs. They know that the general had consensus except for one troll (fishfag) who was extremely identifiable by his mannerisms anyway
>>98031216>>98031278>>98031286>>98031369>fishfag desperately trying to make his nickname go away through blatant samefagging >he still doesn't realise that that makes matters worse
>>98031422Posters know when someone other than themselves are posting, so we know that's bullshit.
>>98031433Wrong as always
>>98031433Does it even count as a nickname when you're addressing multiple people and trying to ascribe to them characteristics none of them share?Why even bother to do what you do?
>>98031434Yeah they cliam everyone is fishfag. Look above you. That list of 4 posts is at lest two people. Likely mote
>>98031444Three people this time.
>>98031449Nice, so we know for fact he has called People fishfag and acted like they are one person.
>>98031387>fishfaggerAnother one of the hilarious things about fishfag are the "counternicknames" he's come up over the years in a desperate attempt to make the nickname go away. These include:>fishfag-fag>ACKShill>trollcow>fishfagger>BrOSRNone of this stick, and he's obviously the only one who keeps using them. This is because he has a broken theory of mind. Fishfag knows that nicknames hurt because of his direct experience, so he tries to do to it to others. But he doesn't understand what it is that makes nicknames work.All he achieved by doing this is to make himself more recognisable.
>>98031434>we
>>98031364>the IDR community at largekek
>>98031436>I own a smartphone and a laptop>also I can use Paint and Developer Toolst. fishfag
>>98031457Son, y'all have just been shown you have no ideas how many people you are talking to.
>>98031439>>98031444>>98031449>>98031456>I'm multiple peopleYou're not even one person, fishfag. You're a subhuman
>>98031467Son, you posted at 1:07, my post was 1:8. There is no fucking way that could be screen shooter, loaded into a program, saved and uploaded in 60 seconds.You are delusional
>>98031470At lest w people there son.
>>98031468>Son>y'all>more fake hillbilly shit>a bunch of misspellings>I'm totally not recognisable
>>98031444>cliamSee >>98031012
>>98031473>conveniently ignoring the "I have a smartphone" and "I can use Developer Tools" partYou're so bad at this, fishfag
>>98031477>trying to argue his schizo sockpuppets are separate people>"Hillbilly" and "typo" personas accidentally overlap in the postOOPS
>>98031479Those are totally two different people, and neither one of them is fishfag, because fishfag doesn't exist
I am done playing with this dumbass to ight. Sane people can see he thinks at least 3 people are his imaginary "fishfag".He also thinks you can screen shot, load an image in an editor, edit it, save it and then upload it in 60 seconds. I hope sane posters can see how stupid this conspiracy theory he uses is
>>98031473It takes zero seconds to switch from laptop to device, and it takes five seconds to use developer tools
>>98031492>He also thinks you can screen shot, load an image in an editor, edit it, save it and then upload it in 60 seconds.It takes zero seconds to switch from laptop to device, and five seconds to turn developer tools on and remove a class from an element.Everybody knows this. You're really bad at this, fishfag
>>98031492>I am doneANOTHERBROSRVICTORY
>>98031492>Sane people can see he thinks at least 3 people are his imaginary "fishfag".I think he's counting on sane people not giving a shit.He's probably right. Most sane people will get a whiff of his trolling, and then just not bother to investigate the matter any further.The people who engage with him, like yourself, are at least mildly insane, because he's proven to be far more dedicated and far more autistic than any person on this board, possibly this site.100+ posts. This is legitimately a thread about nothing, and it's probably going to hit bump limit.
>>98031517>if i wordswordwrods I seem like I'm smrtr everyone sees through your shit fish
Ugh. It tried to talk to me.
>>98031210Maybe you should lurk more then, reddit tourist faggot
As a casualfag who posts in /osrg/ every now and then I have to tell there is a moment where you SEE the Fishfag and then you just can't unsee it. I'm sure at this point there must be one or two trolls who just love to fuck with the general and bring up 2e or nuSR and watch the regulars seethe, but there is an special kind of insanity to Fishfag that sets him apart.At this point, and after many years of being witness of his crusade against the autists at /osrg/, I just accept he's one of God's special people and stay clear of his posts.
>>98031676>Inb4 he replies to you with peepeepoopoo insults
As an actual third party, I'm surprised by how easily this guy says he's certain about who is a fishfag and how easy it is to tell, when he keeps being wrong.
>>98030955Best advice yet.>>98031165>>98031192It sounds like someone who doesn't understand 4chan posting a 4chan fanfic.
>>98029860Silly Fishfag, you already admitted that post was you. Don't you remember?Here's the proof.
>>98031081No. If anyone is samefagging it is you in these posts: >>98031110>>98031412
>>98031492>I am done playing with this dumbassSure you are. And then you'll make another meta and/or troll thread about OSR tomorrow.
>>98031492I think he assumes (an equivalent of) Inspect Element HTML editing, which... I am not familiar with any mobile browser having. He's certainly welcome to screenshot himself doing such to demonstrate he is not talking out of his ass, of course, but even if so that's pretty classic "vanishing up one's own rear with unfalsifiable claims". He's calling typos a "persona", for crying out loud!>>98031502Shut up, corncob.
>>98031414Thats a bit hostile
There is ko Fishfag. There is only Bait.
>>98032020Sure, fishfagSure
>>98031676AS A COMPLETELY NEUTRAL PARTY WHO KNOWS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT OSR AND HAS NO INVESTMENT AT ALL BUT ALSO REGULARLY POSTED IN THE GENERAL FOR 20 YEARS I JUST WANT TO SAY FISHFAG FUCKED MY DOG AND STOLE MY MAYONNAISE AND LIVES IN MY WALLS
Im gathering that this fishfag isA. A singular real and very annoying personB. The platonic ideal of a contrarian faggot such that their essence is expressed in any annoying posts related to a few specific topics (at least for a number of people)C. A boogeyman-like entity within the culture of an insular community of a hyperniche anti-OSR.
>>98032049Yeah, you basically got it. He and the fakegrogs that shit up most OSR discussion on here really deserve eachother.
Im satisfied with what Ive learnedMods, feel free to do us all a favor and delete this thread
>>98032068you can just delete it yourself you know
>>98032132I didnt set a password
>>98029862That could be like five different autists here tho
>>98031004I'm curious, what exactly do you think the rationale is?I don't hate ACKS (not keen on macros but whatever), but this does seem a little bit retarded from a design perspective. What am I missing?
>>98032164NTA but:XP comes from GoldTaxes give GoldFamilies give TaxesThese small changes month on month add up and can be weighted to represent things players have done, defending the locals, not noticing the wererat infestation, ect, ect, on top of the mentioned in screenshot agriculture and morale bonusesIt also helps generate plot hooks, if you're unlucky 2-3 months in a row then that could easily be the start of a Plague in the area or some shit and suddenly your PCs have to get off their asses and investigate.Even beyond this, success or failure also invites changes in the world, say you roll really well a few months in a row and your town blows up. If you have a liege they might suddenly be a bit nervous about that since you're doing too well, cue political drama and shenanigansAlso notice how right at the bottom it says "If you don't want to bother with this, skip it."
>>98032068If you self-report your own post normally the jannies delete it pretty promptly IIRC, not sure if it applies to a thread OP though.
>>98032164It produces a random variance that is nevertheless centered around 0, which means that normally a given settlement will not grow or shrink meaningfully in size unless the player takes action to improve it, but a series of outlier rolls can nevertheless cause it to shift (especially given the exploding dice as illustrated in the example). It's nice because it means that if you don't want to bother with the rolling for the domain you can just not and get the average outcome (as the screencap itself states): equilibrium is the default, but variation is possible. It's an optional more granular simulation.(Fishfag believes that two rolls averaging zero are necessarily "a useless die roll for retards the result is zero lmaaaooo why even roll", or at least that's the impression his screeching gives, who knows what's going on internally there)
>>98032178I get banned for other people's posts enough. Im not gunna risk reporting my own
>>98032196Shit man I didn't even think of the exploding dice point, you suddenly have 20-30 families turn up all at once and you're going to ask some questions about where they came from.One of /tg/s oldest tales was entirely predicated on exploding dice resulting in whacky shit; Castus Grendel.
>>98032216Wait so were you AzteCKS DM as well or what?Did you write a 200 page campaign log just for trolling purposes?
>>98032177I meant specifically the 2d10 dice rolls>>98032196OK that makes sense
>>98032216>>fishfag pretender making shit up to keep the troll party goinglollmao
>>98031449Four.
>>98032216No! I am fishfag!
>>98032427Today, we are ALL fishfag
>>98031517To be honest, the dopamine hit from arguing, often gets me pulled into stupid arguments with dumbasses I should walk away from.>>98031873I went to bed you dumbass, it was 2 am.>>98031963Hell, I can't do that shit on computer much less on a fucking phone. Still 60 seconds to go all that, on a phone of all things seems impossible >>98032304Yeah, he does this along. Hell make lists of "fishfag" and it'll always be 2 or more people
>>98032585I used to compulsively argue with people on the internet. I still do sometimes, but you cant take it too seriously, but the dopamine is crazy. Social sadomasochism
>>98032608I used to argue with creationists and flat earthers. I didn't seek em out, but they liked to show up on forums I used to go to and "correct" peoples comments. It's why I see a pattern with a set group of posters.I think the trolls think they are "making him angry" and it just doesn't work like that with me.
>>98032627I felt compelled to do the same, but me and some friends found "concave earthers" and then would troll flat farther by being like "you guys are basically just globetards to us. We see the full truth" and that was pretty fun. We'd also piss of globies to maintain the facade, but it was also really fun.
>>98032636It's truly insane how deep the conspiracy mindset is. With Artemis II recently they have been out in force trying to prop up Thier delusions. It's been wild. Also the Artemis II images are amazing
>>98032652Oh yea. Be careful with mentioning that stuff so openly. Time vampires are lookin to pounce
>>98032049yeah he likely exists but the faggots clearly are overjoyed at having their own poopdickschizo they can sperg about all day
>>98032835That's kinda exactly what the faggots want you to think. They lie so hard and so far from the truth that they hope they can nudge people's perception to somewhere in between. It's often a big mistake to assume both "sides" are lying equally and the truth exists in the middle.
>>98032652>Thierfef
The spamming has reached a point that I would like all of /osrg/ banned
>>98032887I think its the osrg who wants the spam to stop.Its a real mess
>>98032887Maybe /osr/ can get its own board.Making new boards seems to solve all our problems.
>>98032887/osrg/ are the ones who want this bullshit to stop, if you give this retard the idea that he can get anything he doesn't like banned just by causing shit, expect to get more shit caused.When the fuck did the Dane ever go away after someone paid the Danegeld?
>>98032982The osrg trolls are the ones causing it by trolling every thread they dislike. Which means those threads are abandoned and new ones are made
>>98031457You forgot the one where he was calling everyone a creep for recognizing him.
>>98032988>/osrg/ are the ones who want this bullshit to stopWouldn't it stop if you didn't try to flood the threads? It would just mean you have your /osrg/,, and everyone else would just have one thread instead of having to constantly remake it because of your flooding.>When the fuck did the Dane ever go away after someone paid the Danegeld?Exactly. No one is gonna just say "oh geez, these shits flooded that last thread, I guess that means we need to submit to them."
Is paranoia infectious?
>>98032988Not sure that this is the right solution either. I think that a lot of the fish haters are making outlandish troll claims to piss off their target, but bystanders respond and then get called fishfag and then accidentally end up on one side of this. This almost happened to me but I figured that id make this thread to get some clarity and I think I did.Unfortunately, we now have a self perpetuating system of sperg vs trolls thats sucking in random people and the fishfaggers are happy to drink their tears. Its tough to make a rigidly rules based call as a moderator because you cant officially tell whats a part of the maelstrom and whats not, and toxicity doesnt break the rules.
>>98033043AbsolutelyIts also a drug you can get addicted to
>>98033032>Shit he made a point, better pretend to be the victim rather than her person starting shit by constantly spamming threads outhttps://youtu.be/Cdr22S7DOms?t=166
>>98032887This is the falseflag plan. Basically fish is spamming garbage to try and make all of it unpalatable. They've never liked osr games.
>>98033048You've got it inverted though. The "sperg" is the guy who lashed out at everyone in an effort to create his "fishfag", and his guaranteed effort in trying to force that made it easy for other trolls to latch onto it.
>>98032985Still seething questfag
>>98033073>he made a pointFor the other team.
>>98033077At this point that one guy isn't the issue. The osrg trolls are the issue. If that guy makes a thread, you can ignore it. The issue is people actually are having conversations there, it does not matter who started it.Then the osrg trolls come with their jihad, and this has the effect of scattering folks. Some make new threads, not all those are your holy enemy, but y'all treat all OSR targets the same way. Which just is always going to repeat the cycle.Just go back to the osrg and ignore those threads.
>>98033048Not to discourage you but fish has been doing this to /osrg/ for years. The culture war, indi games and osr got tangled up a while ago and its been permafucked since. https://archive.is/0Nv3cThis article is a decent insight into the indi/osr scene and how the spurned nerd fights on the internet. Its been this cycle of cannibalism for years.
>>98032887To be clear, this is because /osrg/ can’t help themselves in feeding this sperg and have become part of the problem. If you ignore him the threads will slide, but you can’t help but bump his shit. So you can all eat shit and die, go make a forum somewhere and quarantine yourselves so I don’t have to deal with any of your stupid bullshit. You’re all faggots(TM).
>>98033048Unstoppable troll vs immovable autist
>>98033112Oh, it's this guy.You've been trying to push that dumb propaganda piece on this board for quite a while now.https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/https%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2F0Nv3c/Even had it deleted a buncha times.
>>98033111Nah, fish makes intentionally inflammatory threads. Its persistent trolling. They have no goal other than to fuck things up. They'll compare >X isn't really what this thread is about, its best discussed elsewhere with >Everyone at Y is a poophead so I'm making my own thread! and think its the same because he's doing it. They're incapable of perceiving other human's as having perspective different than his own. It makes the DAVRO stuff he pulls very identifiable.. The most telling really though, is that they have no actual gameplay to discuss. They never have. If they did, they could just do that and it would make a functional thread.
>>98033137Oh its this guy. You've been trying to deflect from this piece since it came out. Notice is hasn't been deleted in some time.
>>98033087Nah, you're the one actively intruding upon a pre-existing general and shitting up the board in the process. Suck a cock.>>98033115>If you ignore him the threads will slideMan, you wish, he bumps them with inane questions every 6-12 hours to keep them alive.Feel free to go check the archives then come back here and admit that you're sorry for being a little bit retarded.At the end of the day the facts of the situation are, mods told him to stop being a shithead, this is his tantrum, no one else is responsible for it or his actions before, during or after being told to fuck off.Look, we can't force him to stop being a shithead or spamming threads and he's clearly committed on some deep, spiritual level to both.
>>98033083Youre either in the cycle or out of it. If you want it to stop, the pedantic blame game needs to stop.>>98033112Dont worry. I believe in the fishfag. Its actually really sad to learn about it. If a whole hobby is weak enough that a single faggot can ruin it for everyone, anyone in the hobby needs to reassess how they're interacting with it.A Toxic culture takes more than one person to sustain and it takes maturity to overcome.
>>98033149it was deleted the second to last time you posted it.
>>98033111>Just go back to the osrg and ignore those threads.No. Jihad to the knife.>>98033139This.
>>98033139If the /osrg/ can't help but fall for the bait of this one very dedicated autist, and they flail around and shit up any thread where he spouts his autism, then you shouldn't be surprised if some posters around here start hating the people that post there.
>>98033154But the toxicity is taking over the board. I respect wanting to tell some guy to shut the fuck up, but it is getting out of hand
>>98033115Yeah, this sort of shit. You can't actually understand other humans. >Everyone keeps asking me to stop but if they all stopped it would be better! and you'll never really get over that.
>>98033055It's funny, but that's probably way more profound an insight than I was expecting to find in this thread.
>>98033182This is fish.
>>98031773You sound like you spend time you could learning about 4chan stealing men's buttholes.
They don't even play 2nd ed, which is perhaps the most absurd part. They're the specific sort of mamma's boy who becomes incensed for years that a possibility of an idea they liked isn't wholeheartedly accepted by everyone.
I am a GURPSfag with no horse in this race. What was the original story about players selling fish?
>>98033174>If the /osrg/ can't help but fall for the bait of this one very dedicated autist, and they flail around and shit up any thread where he spouts his autism, then you shouldn't be surprised if some posters around here start hating the people that post there.Yes, but we're not responsible for the feelings of retards are we?>What, you can't call them-Anyone who sees someone trying to warn them of a burning pile of shit and blames the person pointing it out rather than the person that lit the shit on fire is a retard. Welcome to reality, feel free to put on your special, padded, propeller-helmet if you disagree.
>>98033207Originally posted in response to a whole bit he was doing about "No one ever really finds a use for such material anyway, it's all just busywork, lmao."For full context check the archives.
>>98033111>If that guy makes a thread, you can ignore it.That makes sense if it's just one guy.But, if it's not, the /osrg/ guys can't ignore it.
>>98033212The issue is that, in this metaphor, they're drawing attention to the pile of shit by throwing turds at it.
>>98033154NTA, but so what if he bumps his thread?
>>98033231Those last two sentences there are hilariously accurate, the same guy subsequently posted his 200+-page full campaign report and Fishfag declared the entire thing fake and confected just to fuck with him.
>>98033207>anon types up part of their campaign >fishfag hates game system campaign uses >claims its made up>eventually fishing anon posts entire campaign write up and sends fishfag into full meltdown for months
>>98033244Then there will be a fake OSR general constantly hanging around on the board confusing newfags and others who don't know any better. At least this way it's obvious that his spergy trollposts are trash.
>>98033237Yeah, they have called at lest 4 people fishfag. I made two and I got jumped as "fishfag". They also troll harder if any thread has conversation
>>98033271IMO the osrg is the "fake" as I can't talk about OSR games there. And you admitted you troll it out of fear it will kill your echo chamber
>>98033207YO I'VE NEVER HEARD ABOUT THIS AND I DON'T CARE AT ALL BUT PLEASE SOMEONE DROP THE SCREENSHOTS AND THE PASTAS AND THE GOOGLE DOCKS NOW
>>9803327First of all, this board is in slow decline, we're barely getting newfags. Second, if newfags get confused on something, they should do what they've always been told to do: lurk moar
>>98033241NTAYou're working on the assumption that fishfag will just go away somehow. They do not. They have an actual mental illness of some sort mixed with culturewar stuff.
>>98033287Hi fish.
>>98033271OSR is retarded trash though
>>98033271Just delete it with your mod powers and shut your tranny mouth
>>98033244>so what if he bumps his thread?Well main issue is he starts every thread with "Those mean ol' chuds over in /osrg/ aren't the true /osr/ thread, I'm the true /osr/ thread!"People have made various threads over the past 2 years that are basically offshoots of /osrg/, /todd/, /nusrg/, /2eg/ (2e isn't osr but it was intended to be a place to talk about it instead).Every one of them had the support of /osrg/ and a "Be well brother" before Fishfag came in and shit the place up to kill it.https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97969950/#97978104https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98013356/#98014585Proof found here, both of people on /osrg/ being cordial over it and of him shitting them up intentionally.If he stopped starting every thread with 'The cultist cunts over in /osrg/ and their BrOSR radical communist nigger gangster god have sent Bill the King after me with Air Looms for daring to speak THA TOOF' people would leave him to wallow, as it is it's a flagrant attempt to start his own general with blackjack and hookers.And no other general on this board would put up with that, so why would /osrg/?Also, pic related, mods outright telling him to stop trying to get them to force us to let him hang out in the tree house and instead being told to stop being a tattle tale.
>>98033307I have no such assumption, I just think what he does doesn't actually affect you as long as he doesn't post in your thread. If two retards keep throwing shit at eachother across the board, then people's response isn't going to be "Hmmm, I better waste my time figuring out which turd thrower is in the right here", they're going to respond by either ignoring the retards or telling both of them to fuck off.
>>98033314Once more, wrong guy son. I am just someone who saw the osrg and made the mistake of thing it was a general OSR chat. It's not.I got no issue with you having your echo chamber, I simply don't go there. The issue is y'all troll anyone who tries to have OSR chat outside of your restricted echo chamber
>>98033287>IMO the osrg is the "fake"Nobody gives a shit about your opinion, FIshfag.>as I can't talk about OSR games thereYes you can, you can talk about all OSR games in the /osrg/.>out of fear it will kill your echo chamberWrong.
>>98033350This is false, I have seen y'all troll both Todd and the 2e threads. Fuck off with that bullshit
>>98033350dude nobody cares about your imaginary friend. stop with your mentally ill spam.
>>98033392Once more, not that guy son. Y'all have a very, very narrow definition of OSR which does not align with the general OSR community. So no, I can not talk about OSR games in osrg, you only allow a small subgroups of OSR games. Do you want me to come to your thread and talk about OSR games you think don't count?No, you don't want that. So I need to make my own OSR thread or use one already up because you have made it clear you don't allow OSR talk in the osrg
>Here's actual proof of how he causes problems for not just /osrg/ posters but anyone who attempts to create an /osrg/ branch off that isn't his personal Jelquing lounge>Immediate and instant babyrageThe proof of the pudding is in the posting.
>>98033350ABLOOBLOOO WE'RE SO NOBLE AND KIND WE JUST HAVE TO FLOOD THE BOARD WITH OUR RETARDED SHIT BECAUSE WE'RE NOGAMESPLEASEEEE TELL US WE'RE BASED FOR ACTING LIKE FAGGOTS OR I'LL SAY YOU'RE FISHFAG
>>98033432>Immediate and instant babyrageyeah the standard reaction of the OSRtroons
>>98033428>Y'all have a very, very narrow definition of OSR which does not align with the general OSR community.Incorrect.>So no, I can not talk about OSR games in osrgYes you can. You can talk about all OSR games in /osrg/ and if you want to talk about non.OSR games you can simply make their own threads for that. All you have to do is not falsely call them OSR, I guarantee you'll be left alone.
>>98033436lmao, mad
>>98033460>Honor in the name of House OSR dictates I take the bait over and over again.
>>98033484If you don't like it, use your mod powers to ban this yeehaw yokel. He freely admits to being an annoying newfag who refuses to adopt board culture so it should hardly be an issue.
>>98033460So if ai want to talk about 2e or say shadowdark, which are accepted as OSR elsewhere, you are cool with it?Or are you gonna rage and gash teeth about it not being OSR?
>>98033460show me the board rule saying that or shut up
>>98033460Wrong, you can make a thread about anything and call it osr.
>>98033271>Then there will be a fake OSR general constantly hanging around on the board confusing newfags and others who don't know any better. Yeah, like one that tries to lie and say 2e isn't OSR for some reason. We really need to protect newfags from the kind of weird groomers who want to get them inducted in their "The /osrg/ doesn't have to follow any definition of OSR except our own wrong one" cult.
>>98033504>board cultureSad is the day when a few of the faggiest trolls try to claim they're the ones who decide what board culture is.
>Just stop taking the baitEh, I think by this point he'll emulate it if he doesn't get it naturally.Everything Fishfag does is to a single end, removing what he sees as a bastion of chuddery.To that end he'll do anything except behave himself.
>>98033512>So if ai want to talk about 2e or say shadowdark, which are accepted as OSR elsewhere, you are cool with it?No. Those aren't accepted as OSR anywhere but plebbit, where they take a tranny attitude to the OSR: anything which says it is, is. That's obvious horseshit though.
>>98033528Yes you can, and then others can flood it to death. What's your point? Anon is explaining to you the conditions for not getting your troll shit flooded.
>>98033531Okay, so you're back to admitting that your troll "not a general" is in fact meant to derail /osrg/, cool. Then I don't see why anybody should give a shit if your threads get destroyed either.
>>98033644You made my point troll. You only allow a very narrow set of OSR games.So i don't go to your echo chamber
>>98033654Son, they tried that with the stupid named Todd and with a 2e thread. The osrg did not leave them alone.
>Fishfag is doing his Cletus the Slackjawed Yokel impression againMay I bring to your attention, posters of /tg/, that this bucktoothed hillbilly stereotype who assures us he's been posting on /tg/ so long that he's totes part of the landscape has never once posted his two famous catchphrases of y'all and son together before the 23/04/2026 apparently;https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/Y%27all%20Son/page/2/Isn't that just the whackiest of coincidences?Fishfag inventing a new persona to try and defend himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YKAiQ6ozgQ
>>98033549I'm much more concerned about the guys that feel the need to defend the idea of a bastion of chuddery.Here's what we've basically got. This is an extreme oversimplification though, because within these groups there's varying degrees of where on the spectrum they lie.>one group believes OSR is only X (Closed)>another group believes OSR is more than X (Open)This ordinarily is resolved everywhere else just by OSR being left open to whatever someone thinks it is, which means the more strict group can focus on X, while everyone else discusses the larger picture. That's essentially the most peaceful outcome.But, that also means that the closed group is treated as being wrong, with the place essentially adopting the more open perspective. The strict belief is pretty fragile, which is largely why even in the that group there's splintering levels of strictness and what the strictness should even be about. In the face of the open philosophy, the closed one really is fighting a battle with the odds heavily skewed against them. On an open, level field, it doesn't stand a chance.The hypothetical "chuddery bastion" is one way to try and give the closed philosophy a chance, but to create that takes quite a lot of effort and likely some pretty messed up tactics. Replacing an open OSR forum with a closed would first need a lot of effort in making anyone who disagrees into the "outsiders", and stamping down on even peaceful solutions unless they are a form of total submission and help reinforce the bastion's philosophy. And then we get stuff like "We've always been a closed forum" revisionism followed by "this is how it always was, so this is how it always should be."
>>98033154Then let him bump his SINGLE THREAD every 6-12 hours and STOP REPLYING so he has an excuse to keep making more threads. The less IP’s involved in this shitfest the better. YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
>>98033782You do not understand that I only use son with you dumbasses. You already got caught calling 4 different folks fishfag in this thread alone
>>98033815The real issue is that, the OSR threads are just not one guy. Sure they may start as him trolling but the osrg does not allow all OSR talk, just very limited OSR talk.So started by a troll or not, these threads have conversations. Which the osrg trolls can not allow
>>98033807>He believes it to be true therefore it's concerning that you keep telling him to fuck off.Nah. And you can fuck off with the "Just be more open" shit as well. People don't go into the World of Darkness general and bitch about how they don't allow Call of Cthulhu (They're both modern horror guiez!) without being told to fuck off.Why would /osrg/ be any different in that regard, retard? Pic very much related.
>>98033815I kinda enjoy the mental gymnastics they go through, where they have to figure out how to justify flooding the threads while also pretending that they're only concerned about one guy.It's clearly a "want to have cake and eat it too" situation, where they need to flood the threads in order to stop people from having discussions, but they also need to keep saying only one person ever disagreed with them because that's their entire casus belli.
>>98033838If you can find me 100 examples of different people including Call of Cthulu in WoD, your analogy might make some sense. But, I think even finding one example would be a challenge.But, on the other side of things, the OSR didn't just start out as being open, it actually became even more open over time, and finding 1000 examples of people contradicting your personal definition is as easy as stepping outside of your echo chamber.
>>98033838>People don't go into the World of Darkness general and bitch about how they don't allow Call of Cthulhu (They're both modern horror guiez!) without being told to fuck off.Because there is not a rational basis to include "Call of Cthulhu" in "World of Darkness", whereas there is for including AD&D 2e and a number of prior D&D products outside your monomaniacal focus on the dungeon-crawling gameplay loop on account of there remaining highly significant rules transparency no matter how many complaints about "missing" fiddly quasi-automation or failing to enshrine as default you make.
>>98033838That doesn't actually happen though. It also shows how trying to enforce a narrow definition on an anonymous and open format like 4chan is always going to be an uphill battle. This place doesn't have the gatekeeping necessary to make something like that viable in the long term.
>>98032988>/osrg/ are the ones who want this bullshit to stopthen why don't you leave the alternative osr threads alone?you do realize you can just hide threads you don't like?
>>98033139>Nah, fish makes intentionally inflammatory threads.so you are a baby that can't walk past bait? hide the thread
>>98033271>>98033350so all this >we are so sick of him is following us around and trolling us non-stop a dedicated schizo fuckeris all just smoke-screen?the real reason is that "he" just disagrees with you?
>>98034184NTA, but yes. The folks currently "owning" the osrg have a very, very strict idea of what OSR is. The rest of the world does not share that definition and they can't allow the more common definition to be allowed to be used here
>>98034091You first.
>>98034184It seems like someone was actually engaged in a bit of well poisoning which is very stupid. Trying to hijack a general is extremely gay and annoying. Now I think enough of the osrg regulars have reached a tipping point and are brigading pretty hard. Hopefully it will stop soon. Seems like people need to let off some steam.I wish those threads weren't being posted either. They are defensively worded and not super substantial and do kinda belong in generals. Someone has to stop what theyre doing and not posting a thread seems easier than ignoring a thread, but both are extremely easy. That being said; this is 4chan. Youre going to get some toxicity. Either deal with it, or leave. There is nothing keeping anyone here
>>98033654>then others can flood it to deathisn't that actually against the rules though?
>>98033807>I'm much more concerned with tone policing 4chan to be in line with current year progressiveness This is why you're the shittiest part of the problem. You can't let any part of the internet be different than all the other hugbozxes you've colonized and destroyed.
>>98034207Who cares if they have an overly narrow definition other than this fishfag character? Its actually not a big deal at all for anyone if guys on 4chan havent broadened their definition of OSR. Use a different word or term. Talk about the games themselves without getting caught up in a pedantic name game. Who cares?
>>98034241This man is correctIf your shit isnt wanted somewhere, leave. This isnt a social justice issue. This is a niche hobby and the people there like it that way.
>>98034241>picrel is literally osrgtards and other osr threadsLOL ironic
>>98034239Did you report them to the mods?
>>98034249on the other hand who cares if someone else has a broader definition?It's actually not a big deal if guys on 4chan use a broader and widely accepted definition of OSR.Just use a different word or term Talk about the games themselves without getting caught up in a pedantic name game. Who cares?
>>98034249I have no issue if they stayed in Thier echo chamber. But they troll any thread that mentions 2e or OSR, which is the issue. You can't talk about OSR in the osrg, cool whatever.But they don't want it talked about in the at all. And that is causing the issue
>>98034282The osrg trolls care. They troll you for doing this
>>98034262damn son, you only got 3 int.
>>98034284They do not, fishfag. As has been repeatedly shown, the only person trolling threads like /2eg and /todd has been yourself, which you always conveniently forget to mention. osrg is very happy to leave those threads alone, and they in turn repeatedly tell you to fuck off just like /osrg did. You're not wanted anywhere, not even in the echo chamber spam threads you set up.
>>98034291do they should have a monopoly on OSR discussion on /tg/?anons who disagree with them literally stopped posting in osrg, no one is actually bothering them
>>98034282The osrg does. Its their space. There are many spaces on the internet, and the world in general. If you go into a place saying something, and they dont like it, they might react negatively. Its on you to take the hint or fight a battle. If you have made any of these threads getting brigaded, I recommend getting outside, Going to the gym, or better yet, Playing whatever tabletop it is you like to play. Thats the thing about 4chan. Nothing really matters here
>>98034249This.Just call the thread something else, focus on nuSR or osr-adjacent games, and talk about games.There were already /todd/ threads free of any shitflinging.
>>98034305No, y'all were trolling it so hard I made the original throwdown threat to get rid of you conversation killing assholes>>98034307I have repeatedly stated they cZn fuck off to Thier echo chamber. I don't give a rats ass what the fuckers do in there.But they are trolling everyone else, calling every poster who disagrees with them fishfag
>>98030591>>98030583>socially-maladjusted autist creates a reputation for being opinionated or attention whoring>can't help but endlessly stir the pot every time they get upset>muddies the waters when people become aware of themThis exact phenomenon has occurred on other boards, and the playbook is so similar that I suspect at least a few of these instances might be the same person. There's a certain type of autist who experiences literally no social interaction except on 4chan, is desperately addicted to (you)s, and seemingly sees no difference between positive interactions and negative ones
>>98034282You care enough to try and force /osrg/ to be like everywhere else, which you instigated. This is typical >pretend its not important ironic distancing for ulterior motive shit we've all see for ages at this point. We all know you're a liar.
>>98034249Exactly. The part he always skips is that making alternate threads with a different name has been done several dozen times at this point, and all without any /osrg trolling. He knows for a fact that there's already a method that has happened multiple times without drama: hell, he trolled all those threads too, because they didn't fit his "vision" of how osr threads should be. He just refuses to use it for the same reason that he spent 2+ years trying to topic-shift /osrg from the inside before being thrown out: he wants to own the whole concept for himself.It's pretty rich now that after years of trolling every even-remotely osr related thread non-stop he's all "abloo bloo bloo, those /osrg guys are so mean to me".
>>98034345https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97971224/#q97971224This is the most recent /todd/ thread. Please point to the trolls that killed the conversation
>>98029930>At this point fishfag seems to be a disruptive meta entity /osrg/ blames for all the issues it currently has.Yet another poopdickschizo, you say? I love these image board egregores.
So let me get this straight, dude spergs out that osrg doesn't include 2e as osr, goes to the mods and they agree with osrg that it's off topic in the thread. So now he spergs out even more and continues to churn out rip off osrg threads to let everyone know that um akshully 2e is osr. This then causes a never ending war over what is osr? Is it all just trolling to lower the quality of this board even more or is it just pure autistic obsession?
>>98034350Every accusation is a confession with you.
>>98034345>ThierRootin' tootin' new guy with his same capitalization in the middle of a sentence + spelling errors and all the same opinions as totally different guy fishfagYou trolled the alt-threads, and you were told to fuck off from them too just like the /osrg, and now your tantrum-spamming the board because everyone rejected you. You can pretend to be Foghorn Leghorn all you want, but no one is fooled.
>>98034373>Is it all just trolling to lower the quality of this board even more or is it just pure autistic obsession?Yes. He doesn't even play 2nd edition.
>>98034373You're talking about a guy with a years-long trolling campaign across multiple threads, so yes, autistic obsession x 100. The guys at /nsrg finally figured out that it was one guy, but he's been trolling some 4-6 different threads including /osrg, all its offshoots, 3eg, and anything ACKS, Night Lands, and Dying Earth related.>>98031081He's an absolute schizo with an endless appetite for samefagging.
>>98034291And they get baited in return. The cycle continues, and everyone else in the board grows to hate anything related to the OSR and anyone involved with this internecine slapfight.
>>98034408This is the real casualty here
>>98034408Pretty much. The mods could stop it at any moment, but choose not to.
>>98034408>and everyone else in the board grows to hate anything related to the OSRThis has been fish's goal for years. They don't even like osr.
>>98034474That's the baffling thing, really. What's the point of having moderators if they don't moderate? How can anyone think is improving the board? Make a decision one way or the other and stick with it.I can't imagine why they'd choose a schizo, considering the number of reports he must generate, but if it was ended one way or the other things could settle back to some semblance of normal.
>>98034318The osrg keeps acting as if their thread is a members only club where they have any real degree of control over what people post in their thread, nevermind the rest of the board. They don't. If they want to plant their flag on contested conceptual territory, they're free to, and Fishfag is free to make competing threads that push about against their contested definition, and they're free to push back against Fishfag's threads. Most generals don't really bother with this and just are maximally encompassing because it's not really worth the effort, there's not a strongly contested definition present at the core of their community, and they don't really want to piss off the rest of the board.4chan is just not a good place to try to heavily push a contested definition like this because there's no real way of establishing "legitimacy" here. The osrg are free to try, but they really shouldn't be surprised when there's an excessively dedicated autist or two that's going to push back against their attempts to do so.
>>98034373Nope.>little crew of tards hole up in the /osrg/ and declare it their private chatroom for their super-serious-zero-fun gameplay style only>they invent a character and say everyone who doesn't agree with them is that character>make it such a shitty place that most people leave, thread slows down to less than a quarter its old post rate>some of the people who left try different things to make a place for themselves>tard-crew declares that they own the OSR trademark when they don't even know what OSR meansIt's not even really a 2e thing. The reason 2e matters at all to the tards is because it's AD&D but with less rigid rules and presenting variant options, and that goes against the concept that the tards believe in (where the game has to be strict/rigid and the whole OSR is supposed to be just an effort to emulate a single playstyle [that they can't all 100% agree on what that playstyle is]), and they want most of the discussion to be arguments about little specific rules because that's the kind of thing they like to fuss over and hate when people just say "just do what you want, it's up to you."It's understandable that they want a single point of reference to use as a foundation for focused discussion, but the problem is that's not what the OSR was ever about, and the whole "I believe my interpretation of the prophet Gygax is supreme" talk really just boils down to appeals to (misunderstood) tradition, appeals to (empty) authority, and other questionable methods of debate.
>>98034509Forgot to add a few >y'allsthis time.
At the moment, in order to not be fishfag, you have to play B/x, 1e AD&D, or ACKs. I think house rules are allowed right now but that can change (there were times in the past where talking about AD&D 1e’s problems and asking for advice made you a 2etard which was the previous version of the fishfag meme). Basically it’s just because osrg (and every other osr thread) got taken over by hipsters who don’t really play. It’s like a political social thing for them, they can’t perform their identity unless they have infidels to scold, which is why they can’t just make a 1e/basic thread or an ACKs thread.
>>98034522I always like how he "calculates" the post rate, leaving out the part where his "peak" is the point at which he infested the general and was non-stop shitposting and having most of the general yell at him to fuck off in return for dozens of threads in a row. Golly, sure is weird the post count dropped as soon as the long-term troll who used to fill up to half a thread just with arguments about himself finally fucked off.
>>98034533They tried making an ACKS thread recently. It went alright, and even got to thread limit, but it was extremely apparent how insecure they felt about their game of choice.
>>98034533Nah, BECM is fine, there's a guy who regularly posts BFRPG play reports, Lamentations is fine, OD&D is fine, Hyperborea is fine, OSE is fine, Labyrinth Lord is fine, OSRIC is fine, weird-ass obscure clones like Crypts & Things or Gillespie's Dragonwhatever is fine. All of them might get you yelled at for one thing or another ("BFRPG sucks for not having gold for XP", "Lamentations is for try-hard edgelords", etc), just like being a Clan fan in /btg might get you yelled at or posting a suboptimal build in /pgg or choosing the "wrong" faction in 40kg might, etc etc, but that's just your everyday narcissism of small differences that /tg is full of: basic tribalism.fishfag likes to pretend that /osrg is more restrictive than it is because it suits his narrative of them being unreasonable, but the truth of the OSR is that there's about 2000 games and maybe 500 players: everyone has their own engine, and maybe 10 of them are played. Most just don't get talked about.
>>98034539I like how you're making a completely empty conjecture while not knowing what period of post rates were even used. You have a habit of taking any opportunity you can to try and lie. And, if we're talking about your throwing shitfit periods over people disagreeing with you, the /osrg/ is less than 1/10th as fast as when you were throwing your tantrums, going through 400+ posts in less than half a day when it now takes over a week to hit the bump limit.
>>98034509Im in the osrg rn and people are being nice and genuinely helpful about OSEMaybe its a you thing?
>>98034574>B/x, 1e AD&D, or ACKs>Nah..>OD&D is fine>B/X its retarded cousin and their retroclones are fine>AD&D 1e and retroclones are fineyeah you are really not making a strong point here anon
>>98034574>Most just don't get talked about.Hence why there's little reason to restrict them, but, if they were more popular, you'd definitely see someone going mad about BFRPG and declaring it's not true OSR and eventually that someone changing the OP to reflect that.The lines drawn by the cult in the /osrg/ aren't really based in logic, they're an awkward mix of exaggerating (and even inventing in some cases) the differences between 1e and 2e and just hating on games that have proven oddly successful (like MorkBorg and Shadowrun). The wild thing is that there's people like Matt Finch, who helped make OSRIC after leaving TLG because C&C was not a pure 1e clone, and you'd think that someone like him would have laid down the same Anti-2e principles in his primer on what made an old school game old school. https://friendorfoe.com/d/Old%20School%20Primer.pdfBut, even a man who loves 1e more than anyone probably should, starts out his primer with>This booklet is an introduction to “old school” gaming, designed especially for anyone who started playing fantasy role-playing games after, say, the year 2000to establish what he considers the separation between "Old" and "New", and none of his primer does anything even close to excluding 2e, and in many ways can be argued to have been worded in order to include it. Meanwhile, he specifically calls out 3e as being the "style" that "Old School' is meant to be contrasted with, even mentioning it by name in the combat section and using examples of 3e style play as the "modern" style.If the OSR really was a pre-2e movement, you'd think Matt Finch would have at least alluded to it.
>>98034539/osrg/ was best at about 30-40 posters. It hadn't been that for years when they removed the poster count, G+ explosion was the shark jump of it being popular enough there were a lot of great ideas and posters but also opened it enough to the grift. Its actually doing a lot better since he left, slower which is fine, actual discussion 75% of the time. Not being able to post pdfs has been brutal for the whole board in terms of content.
>>98034841Yes, I suppose if you deliberately leave out everything else mentioned that they are then left out. Good job, I guess.>>98034861>Hence why there's little reason to restrict them,As mentioned, they're not restricted at all. This is just your very weird persecution complex. Old-school games are open for discussion. You're just salty that 2e was never considered one.Finch's primer is specifically aimed at a 3e audience, and so of course talks about 3e. You don't open a talk aimed at a new audience with all the fine details of a schism that they're not going to care about and isn't immediately relevant to them. But it's no coincidence that Finch chose to start OSRIC, a 1e clone, rather than something like FG&G, which someone only got around to years after the OSR had already started. If the OSR was really the big tent kumbaya thing you claim it is (it wasn't), why wasn't his premiere retroclone full of 2eisms, rather than having every last one of those ignored?
>>98034861>you'd definitely see someone going mad about BFRPGosrg actually has a dedicated BFRPG hater, yes it's also the anti-2e anon
>>98034879Yeah, the board in general is dying, but /osrg has enough posters to survive, and that's fine. PDFs missing definitely hurts: a lot of good material used to be shared that way. I have a mountain of /osrg stuff posted over the years.
>>98034891Because just because someone prefers 1e doesn't mean they don't also consider 2e under the "Old School" umbrella, which Finch obviously does otherwise he wouldn't repeatedly use the year 2000 as his cutoff.
>>98034666>thinks speed running to autosage is the measure of greatnessThis does explain your frantic shitposting.
>>98034894Yes, he was pretty silly. Fortunately he seems to have moved on. Last thread just had a BFRPG session report, with no drama, like the last few times he's posted his reports.>>97985570People do think that the game makes a variety of bad choices and are happy to tell you about them, but the guy who explodes over its existence seems to no longer be about.
>>98034913I think natural and unforced discussion between people with no greater agenda than just enjoying the discussion for its own sake is the ideal we all should be striving for, and if done right that will tend to be quite active and let the thread move at quite a decent clip, especially as it attracts people to engage in the discussion. Not even just a few years ago the /osrg/ was that and more, though it should be noted it definitely had its arguments, shitposting, and plenty of dumb posts throughout its history.But, I think the key thing to understand is that more people make threads go faster; less people make threads slower. If you personally prefer a slower thread with less people, that's you, but it's definitely a strong signal of people leaving.
>>98034891>Finch's primer is specifically aimed at a 3e audience, and so of course talks about 3e.anon that's just cope and mental gymnasticsFinch clearly explicitly talks about pre 2000 D&D as old school D&D
>>98034915>Fortunately he seems to have moved onhe was probably asked to stop by the others who understand their thread can't loose one of the last anons who actually plays games
>>98034891>Finch's primer is specifically aimed at a 3e audience, and so of course talks about 3e. You don't open a talk aimed at a new audience with all the fine details of a schism that they're not going to care about and isn't immediately relevant to them. But it's no coincidence that Finch chose to start OSRIC, a 1e clone, rather than something like FG&G, which someone only got around to years after the OSR had already started. If the OSR was really the big tent kumbaya thing you claim it is (it wasn't), why wasn't his premiere retroclone full of 2eisms, rather than having every last one of those ignored?And, why would a primer about Old School gaming be specifically aimed at the 3e audience and make absolutely no mention or even inference that what "Old School" actually meant was pre-2e? The man laid down four main principles of old school gaming, and 2e adheres to all four, which is more than can be said for some other OSR games.If it actually was a whole pre-2e thing, you'd think that would have been important to clarify, especially to a 3e audience if that's who the primer was aimed at. Does that make sense?>If the OSR was really the big tent kumbaya thing you claim it is (it wasn't), why wasn't his premiere retroclone full of 2eisms, rather than having every last one of those ignored?Easy. He personally liked 1e. And, if someone else thought 2e, which was still pretty cheap and easy to obtain in physical form, actually needed a retro-clone reprint, they could go ahead and do it just like Finch encouraged Labyrinth Lord, a B/X clone, to be made. It's kind of hard to lay the claim that the OSR was aiming for a single specific type of play when even the narrow version of the early OSR that you personally recognize was active in proliferating its directions and scope right from the start.
>>98034894I'm actually surprised to see what game he was trying to shill in the same posts.That's pretty damning.
>>98035125The falseflag ACKS stuff is pretty blatantly fishfag good call.
Generals were a mistake.
I do enjoy how many 2e inspired rules get into /osrg/'s darlings. It's quite funny to watch.
>>98035140I more inclined to think they're genuine, particularly because one of the posts also includes that troll shilling his anti-2e "noob guide" designed to mislead newcomers. He complains about BFRPG, shills some Anti-2e propaganda, and finishes with shilling ACKS. That kind of fits this guy's general "i'm a piece of human trash" vibe.
>>98035188You're being a creep again.
>>98035199Better than being a weirdo.What the hell are you doing here?You don't belong here.
>>98035214nou
>>98035096You don't have to guess: he's said why he wrote it. It was aimed at a 3e player base who wasn't interested in the minutiae of what "old-school" meant, because to 3e players on ENWorld, the audience he primarily had in mind, everything pre-3e was "old-school". There was no intention of arguing for one specific edition, though he made clear multiple times when discussing it which one he had in mind and hoped people would ultimately try (OD&D). He felt that it was theoretically possible to run an old-school game using 2e, but it was at the bottom of his list, and not what he was arguing for when he wrote his primer.
>>98029826>>98029860This whole thing sounds boring, and off-topic. Delete your thread.
>>98035233>He felt that it was theoretically possible to run an old-school game using 2e, but it was at the bottom of his list, And he's free to feel that. But, on the bottom of his list is still on the list, and other people might place it higher. Either way, that's still OSR.I personally don't agree with even half of Finch's ideas about Old School gaming, but if even he would begrudgingly admit 2e is OSR, it should be pretty hard to deny it is when he's the guy who co-wrote the OSRIC game you idolize so much.
Are fishfag, puckee, and bumpfag the same entity?
>>98035245I don't give a fuck what you think about it you little pussified bitch. You can scream about how boring it is all you want, it doesn't matter to me one little bit. If I cared about not being bored then I'm getting endless entertainment by watching you squirm in the palm of my hand like the wretched little insect you are.
>>98035245I asked the jannies to but I didnt set a passwordDo you have better art to post or are you just gunna bump the thread?
>>98035275I believe in the many-named sperg cryptid of 4chan
>>98035275Its also the ruskie furfag on pol
>>98035233>He felt that it was theoretically possible to run an old-school game using 2eWouldn't be hard considering almost the entirety of 1e is inside of 2e as part of its "you must decide which of these four optional and mutually exclusive rules are in use for this particular aspect of the game" system.That's kind of why I don't get the hate for 2e. Yeah, it has a lot of extra stuff, but it's a toolbox system. You're meant to pick and choose which tools you want to use.
>>98035335Sage actually works when you post images, been that way for years. Thread's past bump limit anyway.>>98035284lol
>>98035140oh yeah, accusing of false-flagging another staple osrgtard-ackshill tacticcheck the dates, it went on for several yearsthe image in question was actually a reply to your "it's all a falseflag!" deflection, to prove anti-2e ackshilling poster was hating on BFRPG for years
Hey anons do you member when ACKshill tried posting an ACKS general with playreports to prove a lot of people play the gameand then it turned out those were AI-GENERATED LOLhttps://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96615790/#q96615790
>>98035402>my fishfag thread hit bump limitLmfao
>>98035478There's more than a 0% chance that the ACKShill just fails to be detectable as human.
>>98035531Or is just too close to the kind of midwit LLMs are emulating. Quite a few of the "AI detection tools" have ridiculous false positive rates, too, which the intentional malformation of "proper" English in greentexts would be especially prone to.
>>98033807>therewasanattempt.jpgYou will never gain the /osrg/, eat shit and kill yourself.
>>98033937>This place doesn't have the gatekeeping necessary to make something like that viable in the long term.>meanwhile: he is shitting himself in outrage that the jannies remove offtopic shitposts from /osrg/
>>98035568Him raging, screaming and howling at the gate really is proof it needs to be there more than anything else could be.The only requirement is "Talk about OSR games asshole" and apparently that's too much for him to handle.
>>98035245OP deleted your dick.
>>98035540>it's totally possible that several supposedly different anons>have the same style that causes AI-detectors to flag them>posted play reports back to back>for a game that sold like 10K copies worldwide>on a board that can't sustain a discussion on said game outside of one specific thread with like 5 anons that are all part of ACKS discord servercheck out the archive linkit's hilariousthey started denying it at first, and in a couple days they started saying it was all a false flag
>>98035462Again the uno card. We know, we've all seen it. You can't help but reveal your lies when you point. Its because you're actually incapable of extrapolating other human ideas outside your own.
>>98035271No need to speculate on it, Finch outright says he considers 2e part of the old school in his 2024 version of the Primer. Nothing begrudging about it.
>>98035748
>>98037012Nice find.He does throw in a bit of a caveat, but he does unequivocally say it is an old-school edition.Now I wonder what the gymnastics will be to say that old-school editions are not part of the Old School Revival.
>>98037143Simple, only the old school opinion that's more ambiguous is acceptable. If you can't use newer games, you can't use newer statements. Old only.
>>98037294So, kinda like the whole "We strictly believe in the teachings of our messiah, Gygax. Except, only our personal interpretations of what he ambiguously said decades ago, while deliberately ignoring his more recent clarifications and explanations that he posted on Dragonsfoot" thing.
Last for 2e is not OSR
Drama on this site is so forced these days
>>98038390Its that everyone knows there's no resolution to it. Its just an obsessed autist the mods won't range ban fucking up the site in their tantrum. Makes everyone want to be here less. Which is honestly probably part of their overall goal.
>>98038455The mods are incompetent retards so I doubt they know what they're doing. But the infamous poopdickschizo screenshot is proven right every fucking day, and /tg/ is the best example of it.
