Kislev Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwh (embed)WM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgeba (embed)WFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6 (embed)Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H (embed)>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL (embed)>Previous Thread:>>98046723>Thread QuestionYou get to pick one Legacy faction to bring into Core OR one new army into the game fresh. What's your pick?
>>98059688they look stinky
>>98059688>TQFimir.
>>98059688>TQBring in da Moot! I'm OK with it being a limited range that's bolted on to Empire as long as I can go mostly unique Halfling units and fill in the gap with Empire units that can be converted to be more Halfingish.
>>98059688TQThere is no good reason all the legacy factions shouldnt be core.The only reason they are not is because GW is retarded and doesnt want AoS faggots to cry that there Seraphon(tm) can be played the way they were originally as Lizardmen
Is it just me being retard or is there no major insectoid type race in WHFB? Like not even to the level of documented semi-obscurity of fimir?
>>98059706Ever since I lost my fimir I'm always glad to see someone else keeping it going.
>>98059736There technically is, living deeper underground than even the shaven and the rats are scared of them, but not much of a player in world events.
>>98059688Stop trying to promote your disgusting sameface tranny art in this general. You can't draw worth a damn, every piece you make is a boring dyke making the same ":/" facial expression, fuck off and find a nice tall bridge or something. Fucking obnoxious faggot.>>98059706They're so similar to Ogres you can just 1:1 proxy them. Find a way to account for Ambush house rules with point costs if you want.
>>98059736Silent People soon, fellow Sigmarite.
>>98059736Soon
I found the limited edition of the old MMO in a used book shop. It's got the artbook, the comic, and the exclusive Orc boss mini! A dwarf would've been cooler, but still
>>98059800sick find
>>98059530I'm surprised they even put up that video on their own channel
>>98059800Making this gaem is one of the most pathetic things GW ever did. Seemed very halfassed too.
>>98059800Now that's a flex.
>>98059736Tregara exists, but yeah, it's not a trope that really exists in WF
>>98059820free advertising
>>98059830for models they don't make?
>>98059736There are lots of obscure races existing in small numbers in deep dark places. Like the Grey Men in Mousillon's swamps. Or Doppelgangers in Reikland's sewers.
>>98059834small chance is still a chance. It costs them nothing.
>>98059837>Or DoppelgangersAre those insectoid?
>>98059834...no, for another Warhammer product. GW gets money from the Total Warhammer games too.
>>98059800Nice find. I've still got mine too. I use the art book for reference sometimes.
>>98059736You have Cathay
>>98059736insect people entered the gestalt concept of generic fantasy quite late, so gw didn't grab them up when it first made its setting, and they're arguably more of a sci-fi trope, they would go better in 40k, but even then they're severely underused aside from vespids, and that's probably because the nids hog the arthropod spot even when they're debatably not insectoid enough to count for some.technically there's mention of insect things around the great maw, which is probably a non-committal bone thrown at the fan theory that the maw is a crashed tyranid ship that is psychically influencing the ogres, but not enough is said about them to think they are a "people".if I had to throw insect people into Warhammer fantasy I'd put them on the mars equivalent of the solar system, because I would make the whole thing a blatant copy of barsoom for that pulpy old type of fantasy that warhammer abandoned past the first editions.
>>98059800Sick, I still have mine too, but I lost the warboss :(>>98059824It's just Dark Age of Camelot with a Warhammer skin. And the problem was EA not Mythic or GW. It's a really fun game I still play from time to time today (Return of Reckoning).In case anyone is interested https://www.returnofreckoning.com/ . It's an MMO where you level through PVP, both open world battles/sieges and battlegrounds/scenarios.
>>98059931Fuck that looks sweet.Absolutely heroic looking knight ready to ride into battle to save a damsal
>>98059688>TQLegacy: Vampire counts but focused on Necrarchs.New: Fimir as a fully fleshed out army.
>>98060211Cheers, I got 6 more to go. I hope the overall look of the unit will turn out okay.
>>98059706>>98060304OK, what's the actual hook of Fimir?
Beastmen anons may enjoy this.
What ways can Second Sight/Witchsight manifest?
>>98060577Cool rapist bog monsters.
>>98059736>Image piled on top of image, each more chaotic and confused than the last: cave-coffered insect cities; towering black basalt pyramids; slave armies - hairy, heavy browed troglodyte humans, digging and building and cleaning up after their chitinous masters; earthquakes; slave rebellions; cave-ins; assassinations; an insect emperor making a pact with entities more ancient even than itself, a pact that gives it new powers, brings it victories, treasure, godhood; then come jealousies; betrayals; invasion by pale overdwellers; battles; defeats; hiding itself in the temple where once the others had come to worship it; the overdwellers locking it in with spells and wards; waiting, growing, waiting...From Orcslayer
>>98059756I really really doubt that the Korean artist who seems to not speak English is posting threads on a dead board of a dead website for publicity
>>98060640We are never getting Fimir back because you eternal mental 14 year olds won't stop snickering about rapeYOU'RE BLOWING IT
>>98059736In a Gotrek & Felix novel, there's a flashback to humanity before the old ones came and they're all enslaved by a species of intelligent giant ants.
>>98060681know enough English to read Helboy comics going by the Mignola-inspired art
>>98060684We got beastmen back and guess what they do.
>>98060615
>>98060705Kek which novel is that from?
>>98060860Orcslayer, I should've refreshed the thread before answering, as another anon literally posted the excerpt >>98060663
>>98060729Well yeah but that's to get the lucrative furry audience. Hence why they're being added to Cathay as well.
Were demigryphs a mistake? Another new "wow" unit to push the sales and to keep the power creep going? Or was it really filling in a niche the Empire needed filling?
>>98061042I don’t hate them but I also don’t love them
What's everyone doing hobby-wise this weekend?I'm finally getting around to tackling the leaders for /mydudes/ in the narrative campaign I'm doing with some buddies. I've mainly been focused on banging out ungor and gor blocks since they look nicer on the table, so this is long overdue. It'll be nice to get some characters up and running, but I think I might miss some of the stand-ins I was using.>Tfw no more paper cutout of Shub-Niggurath for my great bray-shaman
>>98059824EA bought out the devs an kicked it out the door when it was 1/3rd of the way finished. It was intended to have 5 zones+2 capital cities for each of the three faction pairings. (Empire V Chaos, Orks v Dwarves, Elves V Elves) But after EA bought them they scrapped the other two and just launched with Chaos/Empire.So you're not wrong, but it's more of EA being EA.
>>98060681Then stop posting his miserable fucking slop for him.
>>98061106>1/3-assedYeah, that's EA for you. Fuckin' Ubisoft has higher standards, at least they made For Honor and AC1+2.
>>98061144>don't post art I don't like!
>>98061102kys furfag
>>98060663Sounds like the Kalphite Queen from RuneScape except with neanderthal slavery. Neat.
>>980611025 sets of acetone strippin' paint then straightening halberds to failure. Bretonnian metals are absolutely beautiful models, proud to own them.
>>98061153Yes.
How does this sound as a beginner list? I made it of the stuff I collected back in the day, all because it looked cool. Warriors of Chaos [2000 pts]Warhammer: The Old World, Warriors of Chaos, Open WarSorcerer Lord, Heavy armour, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Tzeentch], Wizard [Level 4 Wizard], Manticore [Venomous tail], Battle Magic - 370Chaos Lord, Full plate armour, Shield, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Tzeentch], General, Manticore [Venomous tail], Burning Blade - 34710 Chaos Warriors, Heavy armour, Shields, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Tzeentch], Full Command - 17810 Chaos Warriors, Heavy armour, Shields, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Tzeentch], Full Command - 17810 Chaos Knights, Shields, Heavy armour, Barding, Mark of Chaos [Mark of Tzeentch], Full Command - 308Chaos Chariot, Halberds, Mark of Chaos Undivided, Mark of Tzeentch - 120Chaos Chariot, Halberds, Mark of Chaos Undivided, Mark of Tzeentch - 12010 Ungor Herd, Shortbows, Full Command - 6710 Ungor Herd, Shortbows, Full Command - 67Ghorgon, Cleaver-limbs, Light armour (calloused hide) - 245
>>98061102Gaze longingly at my hobby desk as I (still having a great time) play with my kids
>>98059756>They're so similar to Ogres you can just 1:1 proxy them.wtf are you talking about? They're barely like ogres at all."Uhhhh, but dey kinda big doh."
>>98061284From a gameplay perspective, yeah, they're big elite 40x40 bastards who are small in number but tough as fuck, would definitely have impact hits on the charge and cause fear, etc. A melee-only Ogre army is how Fimir would play, maybe with a Balefiend/Meargh/Noble character or two, also easily proxied as Ogre characters. Calm down sperg.
>>98061042Do female Demigryphs lay eggs or give birth to live young ?
>>98061247>I think now, looking back, we did not fight-fight the enemy>we fight-kill ourselves. And the enemy was us. >The war is over for me now, but it will always be me-war>the rest of my days as I'm sure Ikit will be, fighting with Queek for what Thanquol called possession of my soul-soul. I'd be tempted to put the Sorcerer Lord on foot and use the manticore points for either a fuckoff big unit of warriors to put him in or two 20 man ungor herds so they're more than speed bumps but I'm bias towards big blocks at least in part because they look cooler.
>>98061353They lay eggs. Which in turn are the main ingredient of the famous Marienburger Waffles.
>>98061329Oh, yeah, you know these grizzled cold-blooded survivalists known for hiding and trying to preserve their numbers, like a third of the weight of an ogre? Yeah, fuck it, just have them be charging ogre bulls down Route 1.
>>98061374>like a third of the weight of an ogreThey're fuckin' yuge in Warhammer Quest, bigger than Orcs.
>>98061247Re-read the rules for allies. You aren't allowed to do what you're doing right now.From personal experience, chariots are completely worthless. If you already have them painted then you may as well play with them, but they'll never accomplish anything of note. Chaos warriors are already awful, don't make them worse by bringing multiple small units of them. Bring one big unit of warriors and they still won't be good, but they'll at least be able to not die immediately.Separate your knights in to two units of 5.Manticores are awful, but if the only characters you've got are riding them then it's fine. The burning blade is useless on your chaos lord, the mark of Tzeentch already gives him flaming attacks.Finally, the mark of Tzeentch is bad. Yes, MR(-1) is nice, but it's still not good and taking it on everything is not smart.
>>98061102I have to do some serious dusting tomorrow and then hopefully I can get back to painting my clanrats.
>>98061389>bigger than OrcsWell, yes. Have you seen an ogre bull next to an orc boy?
>>98061042I don't dislike the idea, and was fine with it back when the only example was that Forgeworld character from the border princes. My issue comes with their addition as a unit to the Empire, a faction that was already known for its knightly orders with distinct looks and identity. Overnight not only are all these orders displaced by chicken knights that apparently always existed, but their creation took the place of what could have been a much needed Empire Knights refresh.Maybe I'm just boring, but between the two, I think a knight on horseback makes for a much better picture.
The one time I tried to pitch mordheim to my small tow scene they equated the game with critical role and I genuinely couldn’t refute them
>>98061424Ogre bulls don't have giant ankylosaurus club tails thoughbeit
>Age of Sigmar found success in 2nd edition>Since then its stripped more and more of its unique world building out to be a worse version of WHFB>New Cities of Sigmar "the melting pot of cultures" dropped>Elves and Dwarves are out and its just humans with some shitty ogres as workbeasts>Has just devolved to become Empire but worse>When TOW exists now and we have actual Empire to play as in a current GW gameWhat is the thinking here? like if it leads to more TOW armies coming back from WHFB then good i guess but it feels like every edition of AoS they turn it more into a shitty copy of WHFB with a worse version of 40k's rules. Whats the endgame here?
>>98061728Lorelet the empire is very cosmopolitan and diverse unironically. Dwarfs and elves are common in bigger cities, working as merchants, traders, craftsmen, mercenaries etc. There’s no hyper racist culture that only allows for humans. You’re confusing the Imperium of 40k for the Empire of Fantasy. And you’re confusing the CoS being turned into the Empire when in fact they are being turned into a Fantasy Imperium à la 40k.Also the end goal is money. 40k sells, so they think if they turn AoS into 40k fantasy it will sell more.
>>98061739Friend you havent seen the new battletome have you? thats all squatted. The lore reason is "the dwarves are returning to grungnis side and morathi made humans racist against elves so they are fleeing to the woods".
>>98061728Because the AoS setting is too weird for video games so they're turning it into high fantasy fucked up Warhammer Fantasy.That way Total Warhammer 4 can be set in it.
>>98061744Idk sounds like you should take this to the Aos general not here you tranny.
>>98061744Reread what I wrote, you misunderstood me.
>>98061806Reread the general, you misunderstand the thread you’re in. Tranny.
>>98061826Am I not allowed to shit on AoS here?
Something strange is happening behind the scenes, might just be SKU refreshes but a bunch of the battalions are sold out online.
>>980618661.5 edition relaunch with new Battalion boxes retooled as 500pt legal Battlemarch armies, is my guess.
>>98061844No, this is the Warhammer Fantasy thread, not the Warhammer Age of Sigmar thread.
>>98061888So they’re making boxes worse for something literally no one will play?
>>98061900Battle March is a great way to get new people into Fantasy. It's much easier to pitch " buy one box and finish it and start playing " vs building a full 2000-2500 point list.
>>98061939If I wanted to play a skirmish game with low model counts I would literally play anything but tow or a majority of rank and flanks in general. I don’t care for the “pitch”, the game is genuinely unfun and feels unproductive outside of anything below 1500 points.
>>98060577Second time GW ripped the Broo from Runequest
>>98060721Hellboy is translated into tons of languages and has had followings in random countries. The Yugioh creator was a fan.
>>98061946>If I wanted to play a skirmish game with low model countsIt's not meant for people like me or you. As I said, it's a great way to get new people into Fantasy. It isn't about the optimal way to play, it's the fact that it's much easier to sell someone on buying a box and playing to see if they like it vs dropping big bucks and spending months getting a normal sized army together before they even know if they like the game or not.
>>98061967>As I said, it's a great way to get new people into Fantasy. So then why the fuck should I care or be involved with it? They would inevitably lower the value of battalions boxes for a mode of play that I would never engage with and make boxes worse from a savings and entry barrier of costs. Also, you read like a suit. “Great way to introduce someone to fantasy” fuck off, if someone wants to get into fantasy they’ll get into fantasy, battlemarch and escalation matches are a waste of time. Especially with the lack of a fucking narrative mode for the old world, THATS something you should be asking for and not some retarded shit that would make a corp fucking erect. But I can’t blame you because most people can’t help but larp about pretending to care for tows “narrative plot expansions”.
>>98061988>So then why the fuck should I care or be involved with it?Are you trying to act thick intentionally? I have told you twice now, and I tell you for the third time. IT IS NOT MEANT FOR YOU. Find a better translation tool because the one you're using to understand my messages in your language isn't working.
>>98061997Well then I don’t fucking want it. I don’t want new players, not if it means it’s going to place a burden on me in the long run and cause the system to fall to enshitffication. The term “appeal to new players” within gws atmosphere is nuclear fucking waste. The mainline games are proof of that.
>>98062005Are you the type of guy who gets irrationally angry when there's a new release for an army you don't play? Because this is essentially what you're doing. Also none of this is confirmed it's just people spitballing reasons for the battalions to be taken off the webstore you spaz.
>>98062012I would prefer to keep my start collecting before they turn into shitty combat patrols is all.
>>98061042I mostly like the idea, though introducing a new creature purely for the sake of the Empire is questionable.Humans on Earth utilized cows, horses, donkeys, goats, pigs, dogs, cats, even kept lions and cheetahs as pets and captured and tamed elephants one at a time to use them for war and labour.So I think it's very "realistic" or moreso "internally consistent" that Warhammer humans make use of magic/fantasy creatures. I also think it's internally consistent that over thousands of years humans would start to domesticate monsters, if possible.It would be a big change, but also internally consistent, if a human nation realised the power of a particular fantasy creature and then made their whole culture around using that creature in the same way Mongols etc were all about horses. So in a way it seems odd that humans don't make use of the giant wolves goblins have, or the giant pigs orcs use- if tameable.
>>98062014I think we will be fine with whatever comes next. Assuming it isn't just reformulated battalions. Look at HH combat forces. They are priced like Combat Patrols but have way way more shit in them. Being specialist games we will always get a better deal than the mainline games.
>>98061042I don’t like how such a new unit aged so fucking poorly. Even fagalents look better.
>>98062005Yeah NTA but you are a massive insufferable faggot and reek of no models.
>>98062019In what way did they age poorly? I'm not the biggest fan of the general idea of the mounts (maybe AoS ruined them for me), but the kit itself is still great, if not outstanding.
>>98062066customization options and just the general proportions of the riders and mounts. Idk they just feel like a 7th or maybe even a 6th edition kit without any of the benefits while still being wholly experimental. I've also genuinely have never seen them kit-bashed to be anything remotely cool. Which is a shame, because I do like the chickens, I even want to try and justify buying some of those aos chicken hounds to run them in a empire list (alas I have found the empire to be too fuggin lackluster for homebrews) but the knights themselves are just too darn stiff, for the lack of a better word, to center an army around them.
Wow, why did the thread get so aggressive on such a beautiful Sunday morning, take it easy guys (◠‿◠)>>98061102Very cool stuff anon, can't wait to see them all converted. What's the lore with guy 1 though, since he's clearly supposed to be a mutant, not a beastman. Some sort of Chaos sorcerer or? As for me, I have 3 warhounds I need to get started on, strip a shaman and goblin command i got secondhand in acetone and get some more work done on the spider riders and a few goblins that have been floating in my WIP drawer for a year. If I can sustain this pace I might actually be able to clear my entire WIP drawer this month, hopefully. >>98062016100% share this take. I will never say no to new creature features, but it always feels kind of dumb and arcadey when they're locked to one army only, or even worse, one unit only.
>no newsWe dead now
>>98061042>Were demigryphs a mistake?no, they're cool, but gw did a poor job at worldbuilding them
Anybody have any suggestions for pirate models in classic GW 28mm scale? Preferably metal
>>98061042Imagine looking at that art and thinking "yeah that's lame actually"
>>98061728They're not so much going for aos empire but rather aos imperial guard. At least when it comes to models. They wanted a basic human faction to become a secondary "protagonist faction", like what the guard is to space marines.
>>98060921is the incel rape audience not lucrative?
>>98062320Griffs aside, mossacannibalis is a weird artist
Anyone know where I can find 28mm zombie animals? I particularly want a zombie bull/ox to pull a nurgle cart
>>98062236look no further than freebooter's fate and black scorpion miniatures
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>>98062420He certainly got a distinct style that other artists are starting to ape, but it's funny how the mere mention of him makes certain sites go ballistic
>>98062484
What an oddly wholesome piece of lore
>>98062488is that a compound crossbow on a fantasy orc?
>>98062538the one on the back is but the one he's holding seems to be a slurbow, maybe I think it's meant to be one of Rugland armoured orcs since he covered in random dwarf gubbins
>>98062016The lore is very specific that they don't domesticate them, it's an inner circle knights test to go and tame one. No one breeds them, it explicitly states attempted breeding programs met a 'grisly end.'So it's basically every knightly order is sending like half of their most experienced dudes to go die in the forest to try to tame these things.
>>98061042They made the boring empire roster a bit more interesting
>>98061042On one hand it's nice to see more fantasy in fantasy. But the Empire was all about the common man standing next to the occasional steam tank and fantasy elements belonged to super rich nobles and wizards. Some people wanted for the Empire to have more melee can openers but instead of making up new monster that kind of thematically invalidated the now "lesser" knights they should've went with Imperial Ogres or something. Already present in lore and not steeping on existing toes.>>98061204Noted, have some more.
>>98061725Right, indeed. Are tail attacks impact attacks made my charging wildly into the enemy, or kinda the polar opposite of that?
>>98062671>Wide hips>Flat assThis does NOT honor Sigmar and his blessed Empire.
>>98061888See, this is a proper bum, blessed by Sigmar with trips. She serves the Empire well.
>>98061900How does including a character make the box worse?
>>98062782not as good a deal since a character kit costs £32.50(GW online store price in the UK), so if the Battalion box stays at the same price of £115.00, but they remove one of the standard kits like the Steamtank for Empire or the Gyro's for Dwarfs the discount from the box is far smaller
>>98062800What if it's a mounted character?
>>98062816New TOW Charecters kits come with a mounted and foot character so you would get two characters, but it's still a worse deal compared to what the current Battalion provides in discount
>>98062825It's only a worse deal if you don't want the character but did want everything in the current battalion. And, since you are already a TOW fan, you could buy the Battalion now and then buy the theoretical Battle March box when it comes out, and save the most money of all.
I wish you could order stuff by the sprue. I have 20 archers from the Brett box and I'd like a few more but I'm not buying a box of 36.
>>98062959Obviously that would be great value for their customers, so GW would never.
>>98059688>TQTough question.As for an army that's officially and currently absent, I'd personally would pick Dogs of War; though I'd rename them as "Southern Realms" and focus more on Estalia, as much as Tilea was the focus.
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>>98063028The very high medieval shape of these eschuetons actually reminds me, have the southern realms already gone through the redpox epidemic and subsequent renaissance period by the time TOW is set in? Because otherwise canonicaly speaking, Estalia and Tilea should still be basically just the poor man's Bretonnia with less knights and magic and more crossbows and billhooks. Oh who am I kidding, they brought back the goblin hewer, TOW is just WHFB 2.0 with the tiniest of fig leaves anyways.
Last bit of news were in february...
>>98063092We'll get something new next week
>>98063092OMG no new PRODUCTS??!? Now you might actually have to paint what you already own NOOOOOOOO
>>98062754It's alarming how nigger culture has subconsciously influenced so many men
Anyone got Bloodstorm audiobook?
New reveal happening next week at some point (I think) about a book covering Norsca/Chaos Wastes and the wars that happen there. Has a sort of pan-Chaos AoI in it with rules that you basically want to keep your Beastmen/WoC units equal otherwise they start doing their own things (rules similar to stupidity). There's also rules in the book for making your own aetheric units that you can take if you have a wizard with the relevant lore; you choose whether it's an Undead, Daemon, or Elemental creature and then if you have a wizard with the relevant lore you can take it as a mercenary. Conflicting reports on if Fimir are in the list or not, reading between the lines I'd say they were planned to be in it but dropped for whatever reason.
>>98062481This thing is real fucked up. It might look better painted but as a grey render it's a little too flesh blobby.
>>98063190Oh no, we've gotten new products in that time. The individual Cathay peasant kits weren't too long ago. There's just been literally no Warcom support since Feb. Not even painting or lore articles
>>98063194Fun fact, the idea of skinny (by modern standards) being the ideal is a 20th century invention. You can trace it back to the flapper fashions of the 1920s, which downplayed feminine curves in favor of a straight, narrow silhouette and short, practical haircuts. But it didn't really become the standard until the 1960s. This was embodied by the supermodel Twiggy, who, as her name implies, was all about being very skinny. And this was extremely noteworthy at the time! The modern international fashion industry had emerged from the destruction of WW2 and was now able to define what a fashionable woman looked like, and TV had firmly supplanted radio as the dominant disseminator of culture, so those images were beamed into everyone's homes.The average Imperial citizen, when asked to picture "a beautiful woman" would picture a woman that we would call downright doughy. Ironically, as a racist, you should be upset that a bunch of gay Europeans and Hollywood Jew denied you your birthright of being into big soft butts.
>>98062166>What's the lore with guy 1He's supposed to be an ungor whose bulk and appetite have gained him the attention and blessings of Slaanesh. He initially gained favour by drunkenly stumbling around the Tilean countryside raiding vineyards, wineries, and Cathayan merchants, gorging himself on their stores. He even had a penchant for wandering into the festivals of isolated villages when they were at their height, driving the villagers to greater and greater levels of consumption - if his appetite didn't get the better of him first. >he's clearly supposed to be a mutant, not a beastmen.Yeah, I get how you'd see that. I got the Lord of Gluttony kit super cheap second hand, so I just pulled him from that (going to be using the rest of it as a chaos warshrine later). He needs more hair on him, and his head needs touching up to give him more of that traditional ungor look.If worse comes to worst, if I finish making the changes and he still doesn't look ungor enough, I can always just pop off his head and straight up replace it with an ungor head. Once these three are done, I'll probably start working on the ungor unit this fatty is supposed to be embedded into. Basically, I'm going to be sculpting a bunch of fat onto all of them
>>98063320Erm, my feminist school teachers told me that real humans always worshipped lardbuckets until a century ago! The fatter the better! No, don't pay any attention to the vast history of European paintings, writing and clothing we have showing the exact opposite. Corsets were prominent for three and a half thousand years because uuhhh women always wanted to uhhh not be attractive because ummm girlboss...
>>98063337Corsets were just the predecessor to the bra, distributing weight all along the form rather than just at a point on the back
>>98063379>It's just holding her tits up, while still leaving her with the beautiful rolls of a natural Afrikan mamma!
>>98063337>Corsets were prominent for three and a half thousand yearsNo, anon. They weren't. Like, nowhere near that long. >>98063401Yeah there's like, a couple thousand years between those ancient sculptures and the development of stays, which were the precursors to corsets. There's absolutely zero continuity between that Minoan fashion and European corsets.
>>98063076>have the southern realms already gone through the redpox epidemic and subsequent renaissance period by the time TOW is set in? I believe so a few centuries after the main epidemic, but also the TOW timeframe happens a couple of decades before the last Duke of Mousillon is killed off by a lesser Red Pox epidemic.>Because otherwise canonicaly speaking, Estalia and Tilea should still be basically just the poor man's Bretonnia with less knights and magic and more crossbows and billhooks. They likely should, but GW won't give much thought when. Now GW has made a half-attempt to give less advance technologies, like giving more emphasis with the Empire's War Wagons; yet they still seem to undermine it by also shoving Steam Tanks at people.
>>98063482Why do all the new designs look like warcraft rejects?
>>98063535They look really clean compared to other Warhammer factions
>>98063535Because theyre too clean and pretty. A big part of warhammers aesthetic was the "gubbins", the little gothic details that made the world feel macabre and lived in. Not all factions had it (high elves), but it was a general aesthetic choice. The tigermen dont have that, theyre just "badass tiger people with fancy ornate gear". Theyre not wearing scavenged cathayan armor or shoddy chainmail or whatever, no, thjey have custom jeweled blades and armor. Theyre not weird or scary, theyre well proportioned, like something a furry would draw. Theyre too clean and "perfect" and that makes them feel out of place.
>>98063580Take the same general design, but give the tigermen elongated limbs (have you seen cats? they have really long paws) so they look a bit ganglier. Theyre beastmen so obviously their equipment shouldnt be as fancy and shiny, probably either tribal hand me downs or stuff their cathayan "allies" give them and which isnt really designed for them (or at least "not perfectly suited for them) so you have ill fitting pieces there or places where its incomplete. They should carry tribal trophies, skills and scalps and teeth and other macabre reminders that theyre savage animal people at the end of the day. And they should use more normal weapons, no fancy gold trim, crude iron.
>>98063602pic is a better Warhammer Tigermen than the TWW ones imo
>>98063612that looks like shit
>>98063612it's better, but it looks like he has a 4 feet long neck
>>98063612Better. Not really in love with it (imo still too bulky and "handsome", also weirdly long neck?) but it has a vibe of "animal wearing human clothing" that works quite well. That sort of armor would have been good for the tigermen.
>>98063621>>98063647>also weirdly long neck?I think the artist photobashed a tiger head on top of some humanoid body and tried to make it fit
>>98063668I could see it.
>>98063612nah
>>98063602>macabre reminders that theyre savage animal people at the end of the dayI think this is actually my biggest criticism of their design. These are aren't tigermen, these are men who happen to be tigers. Probably somewhat controversial for around here, but I'm actually fine with beastmen, or beast-like races, having fancy equipment and armour. However, with that being said, my acceptance of them having markers of higher culture is predicated on them being nothing more than a thin vineer of civilization pulled over something foreign and primal.As you said, their bodies should be more bestial and distinctly inhuman. They should have crude or gruesome charms or trophies that contrast heavily against their refined armour or clothing. They need to move and act like predators forced to play pretend.
>>98063602then they wouldn't fit in the clean cathay
>>98063789They shouldnt, they're weird bestial auxilia.
>>98063482This is genuinely embarrassing
>>98062840People in this thread sound like the biggest fucking shills I swear, you people are unreal.
>>98063482>man I'm glad aos exist, without it whfb would've gotten the warcraft treatm-ACK
>>98063535I honestly don't really dislike the tigers, but they truly have nothing interesting to their design other than the beards, which is probably why the final look ends up reminiscing wow as that too is just visual noise of various increments slapped onto a silhouette.
>>98063535>>98063909>>98063955>goat-men rapists: soi face>tiger-men mercenaries: angry npc faceYeah, fuck the opinions of this general forever
>>98063612this is china's most recent depiction
>>98064089The armor(?) design at least looks cool.
>>98063612This fucking sucks.>>98064089This is a lot better, but he looks like too much of a poorfag to be a renowned mercenary captain
>>98064089
>>98064075That's so hecking problematic, what is it with all these chuds and their media illiteracy in here?
>>98064089was the idea to make them closer to artistic renditions of tigers than realistic ones? because that would have worked for warhammer if not for the fact that these are meant to come from ind, so they would more logically be stylised after Indian art, but I have absolutely zero knowledge of that.
>>98064136You think tiger-men with exotic weapons are uncool, you are literally a cocksucking faggot
I can't tell if the tigermen design is meant to pander to furries or Chinese.
>>98064187Both.
>>98064186They look incredibly bland.
>>98064075>brutal angry chiselled twunk in a carefully curated aesthetic fit of distressed leather and rusting chainmail with a deep braying voice and animalistic musk burning down your village and taking you down, caring nothing for your wishes and desires other than to use you as a quick masturbation aid, choking you out, pulling on your hair and slapping you around, before throwing you off in a ditch, either with an tastefully slit throat, or barely alive, bearing a new generation of savage beastmenvs>some balding low t elder millenial software developer's tony-the-tiger/disney inspired fursona that reeks of childhood maladaptation, which you can just imagine walking around with a graphic tshirt saying something like "woofers for safe kink" and one of those "don't talk to me till i've had my coffee" mugs whose highest feat of arms in life was defending strong female characters in children's cartoons on some furry forum somewhere, the type of guy who goes to Pride to hand out fliers about "safe bdsm practices" like that's got anything to do with queer liberationYeah nah sorry anon, it's got to be the goat-men rapist for me, these fake bara tiger designs do absolutely nothing for me, in fact I find them straight up revolting, a betrayal of everything beastmen were meant to evoke. I'm going back to fantasise about my bestigors now tyvm
>>98064075Go play world of warcraft.
>>98064186>SAAR, if you don't like Ind weapons and cultur you are problematic, saar!
>>98064075Yeah, it's literally just old good new bad
Im sensing a slightly larger than child sized (but not much) disturbance in the thread.
>>98064075Yes, beastmen as the twisted and evil monsters of the dark hordes works better than "beastmen as cool and civilized allies of humanity"
>>98064321The lore says they are only just kept free of corruption. At least it opens the door for more interesting fallen Tigermen.
>>98064472Yeah I like that the lore keeps open the idea that they're not actually Old Ones creations but instead 'redeemed' Tzeentchian beastmen.
>>98064472I don’t actually want to see more of furries
>>98064472I am not talking about the lore. I am talking about their aesthetics and what they tell us. >>98064482That makes their current design infinitely worse. "the old ones made furries" - dumb but fine"some twisted spawn of chaos became normal people with clean shiny armor and pretty features" - irredeemable trash
>>98061728>Whats the endgame here?Charge more money for less product.The cogfort those retards are salivating over is $210.
>>98064482I don't think gw would have a real reason to say they were made by the old ones if there wasn't a kernel of truth to it.The idea that the tigers would claim that themselves wouldn't make much sense because even the most learned people of the world don't really know much about the old ones or where races come from.So either that's the claim to not offend real life people who might feel insulted by their culture being represented by what are officially chaos mutants, so they keep them as mutants only in "deep lore", or the dragons are amongst those few people who would know enough about the old ones for the claim to count (but how would the tigers know about them?), or none in setting actually knows that they're creations of the old ones, not even themselves, but while that's the truth they have to defend themselves from accusations of being chaos monsters because they fell to chaos in the early times of the great catastrophe instead of chaos being their creator like for true beastmen.
>>98063482The perfect excuse to use catgirls in a Cathay army. Man, catgirls are just such an evergreen concept. From contemporary times, near future, post apocalypse, space opera, even prehispanic times with Olmec werejaguars. Just, you know, paint them different.
>>98064262Go play Runequest.
The execution of the tigermen seems so horribly mismatched to the setting, look like AoS shit.
>>98064666They just look kinda boring, not retarded. Unlike AoS.
>>98064666That’s just Cathay and Kislev entirely.
Why are Beastmen more popular than O&G here?The greenskins are a far superior concept and race.
>>98064685I hate modern miniature designers so much,
>>98064737Because greenskins are THE faction for the *creatives* to take part in. You know, nose ring, colored hair, the type.
>>98064761Try as you might, you will never get me to think ill of based green guys or their players.
>>98064691Not old Kislev. The shreds of Cathay we got before sounded neat, the bits from the assault on the celestial outpost in Tamurkhan. ToW/Total War execution was super lame
>>98064737No clue. Personally I just slowly drifted over time to lotr orcs and it's hard to go back.
>>98064761O&G players are the most based players I've ever met, and I have been in this hobby sin 5th edition.The last one I met was 110kg and 8%bf, absolute unit and a pretty cool guy. I fought him with my Vampire Counts at a tournament and won, but we both had a great time.After the tournment he left with 2 real hot white women to the hotel.
>>98064564Anyone who pays $210 for that ugly piece of shit crewed by nappy-headed Africans deserves non-stop [redacted]
>>98064685Making Chaos uncool is a major accomplishment. They managed to make the most beloved and iconic faction absolutely generic, lame, and gay.
>>9806473740gay Orks have eaten up most of the O&G fans, and what remains doesn't seem too thrilled with their options in TOW. Maybe they should do more MTOs, is there demand for classic metal goblins?
>>98061728It isn't what they're thinking here, but the thought you're not thinking: that your tastes and preferences may not be universal, and so pandering to you may not be the, or even a, path to success.
>>98064858Maybe if AoS figures weren't dogshit you'd have a point.
>>98064858Damn we actually got someone from the design team here
>>98064564>>98064839The funny thing is they are acting like it’s a bargain. Saying that they expected it to be $300 lmao
Why do manlets fling so much vitriol? Is it in their nature to be angry. Are they angry because they are tiny? Or are they tiny because they are angry?
>>98064946Their hearts are closer to their assholes.
>waaa, let me consooom, wah!
>Nomodels starts yet another AoS shitfight You gonna post them yet? Its been years and still no models.
>>98065015Perrymanlet doesn’t have any models. He’s been unable to produce a timestamped model and just ignores the posts asking him to do so. He never had models, he’s just a spiteful midget man with a skinnyfat body.
>>98065015>dickriding AoSPathetic.
>>98065048You know replying to me only shows your insecurity retard. You've been here for literal years having daily meltdowns about 2 games you don't even play.Just post your models bro.
>>98065056>now he thinks I'm his boogiemanAoS truly rots people's brains.
>>98065111are you shitposting both threads at once?
>>98064737greenies have older models for orcs, beastmen have lots of bundled boxes and second hand deals from aosthere aren't many beastfags here either, most of what you see is one of the few beastfags samefagging for a laugh
>>98065111No models?
>>98063482I think I'm going to code a bot to churn out porn of her getting raped by beastmen.
Hello from /aosg/. I wish you the happy return of your dark elves. Please control your shitposter(s). That is all, thank you.
>>98065226>I will make porn of beastmen... fucking a beastwoman!Diabolical.
>>98065237>>98065226...her?
>>98063180Tomoko would never fight for Noble Brittonia, she's a NEET
>>98065173Speaking of, are we sure Ogres are the best "baseline" for Fimir? Wouldn't beastmen work better? Especially with more contemporary figures at a more human scale. But theb that'd get too expensive.
>>98065251Yes the name Cathay tiger character is a female.
New player here with a potentially stupid question. I am looking at Old World Builder and if I understand correctly, can I make an Orc and Goblin army that is just blocks of Shortbow Orcs, Night Goblins and Shortbow armed goblins, dumping massed ranged fire into my enemy? With accompanying Doom Diver and Bolt Throwers, of course
>>98065297Of course you can. It'll be complete dogshit but you can have fun.
>>98065228Ours?We thought it was yours.
>>98065304Right on! The idea of an Orc Warboss who took an exceedingly terrible head wound and decided to make a ranged focused army under what he perceives as divine command, sounds so fun.
>>98065309its teh shaerk poster, he has been a plague upon this board for years. hell, he is melting down in discords and plebbit as we speak.
>>98065297Do you want to though? Because 5he sculpts are limited now that savage orcs were wokescolded into non-existence by people seeing stereotypical cavemen and shouting "these are black!".
>>98065320Just remember shooting doesn't work like 40k. Volley fire allows you fire in an extra rank. Or standing on hills, or large target etc.
>>98065328Look I know you're getting absolutely shat on in another general but can you not start having a melty here.
>>98065328I can buy stuff off of Ebay or get prints if need be. I just have a soft spot for Night Goblins. I can also get a bunch of Mantic Goblins and Orcs for free.>>98065332Awesome, thank you Anon. I have already started thinking of kitbashes and writing some silly fluff for my Warboss.
Just a heads up, they're probably squatting the old slaanesh mortal riders soon. If you want them get them soon. I get the feeling they're gonna be savage orced and blight kinged.
>>98065351I think the blight kings are coming back desuI have 20 of them anyways :^)
>>98065347Orc sniffs have models now?
>>98064517You know that "followers of Chaos became normal people with clean shiny armour and pretty features" is quite literally what the non-Chaos humans of Warhammer are, right? Canonically the Empire, Kislev and Bretonnia descend from nomadic Chaos tribes who settled the Old World. You're getting mad about things ruining the setting when they're sticking to the guidelines of things that have happened already in the setting.
>>98065355I genuinely do not believe that to be the case. We will have to see what direction the chaos revamped chaos warriors for supposedly BOTH fantasy settings to gauge where chaos is going for both the settings.
>>98065309It seems it was a vtard all alongSorry for doubting the pure intentions of the fine denizens of this here thread
>>98065237I was going to say that the kinky part would be that a prey animal is fucking the predator, but a quick search tells me there's already a fair amount of furry porn about goat-furries fucking panther-furries, for some reason, not to mention a movie.Nothing is profane anymore.
>>98065377No one's buying it furry.
>>98065379Warriors have been revamped already for AoS i doubt they are going to do it again>but the return rumoursI have no idea why anyone would believe that.
>>98065394I don't want to believe it either because I already have chaos fatigue. GW doesnt even know what chaos undivided means anymore, I think the audience doesnt either.
>>98065377>Canonically the Empire, Kislev and Bretonnia descend from nomadic Chaos tribes who settled the Old World.No, they literally dont. The kislevite tribes literally migrated to their current home to flee the spreading shadow of chaos. The axebiters were never a chaos tribe, neither were the jutes or unberogen and so on.There were chaos tribes (or rather, chaos worshippers) in the place that is now the old world, before the vortex was created. They were the empires of Belakor and the other demon princes. But there is no civilizational link there, and the current men of the old world are descended from peope who were functionally cavemen at that point in time.
>>98065377Liar. There were tribes.Some worshipped big titty Myrmydia and developed the wheel, streets, bricks, irrigation, and civilization.Some worshipped some angry blood guy and live in mudhuts and their greatest fest of engineering is boats to get the fuck away and steal food from places that figured what production is.
>>98065471>and their greatest fest of engineering is boatschances are norscans got those from norse dwarfs
>>98065394AoS Maurauders were a year old when we got new marauders. Also it’s credible rumormongers pushing it so that’s why to believe it. You’d have to be dumb to not believe it after the new marauders.
>>98065226Should be with Zhao.
>>98065580Warpstone's a hell of a drug.
>>98060577In seriousness, I like that they're a fully original GW creation, not ripped from another setting, they have a super unique appearance, and I like that they are sort of this forgotten ancient precursor to humans/norscans as chaos' favored race.
>>98065573Aos marauders and tow marauders diverged quite a bit, chaos warriors are far too iconic for them to mess with the silhouette too muchTo be clear I do think the new chaos stuff is coming (too many rumourmongerd talking about), but it's apples and oranges
>>98064737Greenie player here, I played them solidly up until 1.5 and then I just got bored of them, neither of the AoIs really interest me and they haven't received anything else to change up how I want to play them, so I moved onto other armies.
>>98065573I was saying they wouldn't do another warrior kit for AoS.
>>98065601>chaos warriors are far too iconic for them to mess with the silhouette too muchAnon GW doesn't care, they want to push product.
>>98065618Right, which is why they wouldn't mess with the chaod warrior silhouette
>>98065629turning them into engrims would be messing with it a bit.
>>98065602This. Also, Greenskins being interesting is carried heavily by their characters, and they don't have ANY of those right now. I wonder whether TOW will stick to the Age of Three Emperors/Affair of the False Grail/Great War timeline or just say fuck it and bring Franz back at this point, they literally haven't released a single compelling new character yet.
>>98063320You almost made me reply, but then I remembered how futile is it to argue with low IQ niggers online
>>98061102That's what I got for the weekend.ToDos for the week:-base them-prime themand depending on how far I come with those two after work and dinner maybe even start to paint them before the next weekend.I'm glad that the plastic character was easy to convert. I really hate his spear and ugly face. But I am annoyed that you can't seem to get him off that stupid base easily without him being wonky. I can work that stone into the basing I want to do for the army, but I hate the modern trend of having models standing on some stupid shit out of the box.Also, I got some Chaos Knights coming. Got them new in box for about half the price on ebay. Neato.Now I need to find some recaster to get some great weapons and halberds for the Chaos Warriors.Also, I need to think how I want to represent a BSB on mount eventually.
>>98063928>t. poorfag
>>98065409>History of Kislev, Realm of the Ice Queen, pg 16>The Dolgans were already a people in decline, and their ways were looked down upon by most other tribes as being unclean—possibly because the Gods they worshipped bore a striking resemblance those of the Chaos Wastes.(this tribe shared Kislev with the Ungols, making up an even split)Also worth noting the Gospodars fled the expansion of the Chaos Wastes, not necesarily the powers of Chaos itself. Andy Law who wrote the Kislev book has been pretty explicit in saying they were maruaders drawn in and converted by Mother Kislev. >Tome of Salvation, Of the First Times, Pg 8>(On the Belthani humans in the Reik Basin, who the Great Tribes conquered and absorbed) They also appear to have understood the cycles of the passing seasons and celestial bodies, as many of their stone circles were aligned to mark them. Therefore, it seems likely they celebrated the same equinoxes that we do today. However, two of the slabs also hint at darker rituals, possibly involving Human sacrifice, nature spirits, and, some antiquarians claim, the slaves of the Dark Gods themselves: Daemons.(in-world history, but a source showing that post-Belakor Reik Basin humans saw parley with chaos as part of religious practice)>History of the Empire, Sigmar's Heirs, pg 11>Scholars have noted that many of the tribes listed bear names very similar to those that founded the Empire: Hünberokin, Tutoknin, Merokin, and Jutonik among them. Unlike the peaceful agriculturalist tribes that came to the Old World before them (see above), the newcomers were aggressive and had a culture based on raiding each other for cattle and women.(Raiding culture from the east sounds a lot like every Chaos tribe we know. Of course, this is a stretch on my part, but I honestly can't find where I thought I got that from after a lot of reading)
>tfw wake up to find out my expertly crafted shitpost is still sitting on 0 repliesMy peerless menhera senses are telling me it might actually really be just one guy chain replying to himself like a lobotomite to try and fill up the the thread with the most inane buzzword filled slop. What a sad existence! Oh well, my fault for trying in the first place really :p
>>98061102After almost two weeks I've found some time and painted the shields. Now I'm basecoating the knights.
>>98065660TOW has had exactly one dog shit BL book, so it's not exactly surprising that there's a drought of characters. It's honestly pretty depressing considering that the time period, in theory, is interesting.Mind you, I don't exactly have faith in the ability of modern GW writers to competently tackle the politics inherent to a succession crisis, let alone give enough of a shit about the less serviced factions to bother to write a single book focused on them and their perspective.
>>98065685Always good to see someone actually doing some hobby shit in these threads.You painting them the traditional black, or are you doing something different?>>98065712Nice work on the shields. I like the texture on the banner as well.
>>98065700NTA, but it always seemed pretty clear to me that the Belthani & the Old Faith were very clearly riffing on Marija Gimbuta's Old Europe theories + Irish/Celtic mythology and druidism + folk horror stuff like the Wicker Man and Midsommar. Like they were definitely doing fucked up shit like child sacrifices to ensure a good harvest for that year, but it's all in a very different register from Chaos worship, it's meant to evoke that feeling of appeassing/emulating the harsh amorality of nature, not worshipping dark gods, more Kurnous than Khorne. Also the Belthani druids literally maintained the the ogham stones network that kept magic under control and kept Chaos at bay, you literally can't reconcile that with them also somehow being chaos worshippers. >>98065712Lovely skins you got there
>>98065712Oh neat, another WoCer. Looking great. Hope we get to see the rest of the knights soon. :D>>98065760I was thinking about painting the armor in the standard black. It's just an iconic look for them. But I did plan to paint the cloaks (and banners) purple. Symbols and the glow from within their helmets a bright yellow.Weapons idk yet. Maybe red with a yellow shine too?Maybe I get another idea I love more before I start painting them, we'll see.
How come Elves and Humans and even Dwarfs(barely) get multiple factions but all of green skins get lumped into one book despite there being so many different kinds.
>>98065700>Also worth noting the Gospodars fled the expansion of the Chaos Wastes, not necesarily the powers of Chaos itself.Those are the same thing anon. As the chaos wastes grew and spread the shadow of chaos, the tribes living in the steppes fell under their sway and lost their native animism to outright chaos worship. We saw it with the kuirgan(?), there used to be a story on the FW website about the first chaos mammoths. >Raiding culture from the east sounds a lot like every Chaos tribe we know.Sure, but thats also just "every primitive human culture" in the setting. Primitive humans were savage and warlike and closer to the chaos tribes of "current times" than their modern counterparts, but not because they were chaos worshippers, but rather because chaos worship is largely culturally regressive and therefore the cultures that adopted it did not advance and grow like their counterparts.
>>98065823>anotherNTA but I demand you post your doods
>>98065878Trolls really should be their own thing, otherwise if you want goblin-only or (black) orc-only armies you can do that easily.
>>98065887I did here >>98065685 They are not painted yet, just bought the box of Chaos Warriors and the plastic character (he will serve as a BSB) this friday and build them over the weekend.The models aren't complex or anything, but I had bad luck and had to get rid of a bunch of flash on them.
>>98065881They absolutely are not the same thing. Cultists in Bogenhafen can worship the ruinous powers without wanting Chaos to consume the land they live in. In fact, that storyline it's arugably amongs the oldest and most famous plot points in the setting. Worshippers of Chaos, like the modern Norse, do not necessarily want Chaos to destroy everything, but rather worship out of practical need to placate the gods, or a desire for power which they grant. The Norse don't want their homes turned into writhing insanity, they just want to live. If Norsca were to fall under the Chaos Wastes, many would move south to safer lands and maybe convert away from their worship, just as the Gospodars did.
>>98065892Uh Troll Horde?
>>98065881>Primitive humans were savage and warlike and closer to the chaos tribes of "current times" than their modern counterpartsNot true for the earliest known human culture, the Belthani, though. They're explicitly pacifists pastoralists modelled on old anthropological theories that the early European farmers of the Danubian bassin were a peaceful matrilineal society (the so called longhouse). They then all get murdered by the ̶I̶n̶d̶o̶e̶u̶r̶o̶p̶e̶a̶n̶s̶ Unberogens & al. Notably the Belthani are one of the few Old World human cultures to have apparently spread from the south rather than the north-east.
>>98065921>They absolutely are not the same thing.They are in the sense that "the spread of the shadow of chaos is the spread of the power of chaos". The influence chaos exerts upon the world and the size of the chaos wastes are entirely correlated.
Are Ogres "officially" supported by TOW? Always wanted to play them back in the day, but there was only 40k played locally. Looking to dip my toes into Fantasy as a game.
>>98065878Hobgobelins Khanate army book one day hopefully.
>>98066088No, still AoS.
>>98066042But as demonstrated in my post, Chaos followers can flee from the expansion of Chaos Wastes and see it as undesirable. I'm not really sure what the argument is here, Norscans have moved south to the Empire for this exact reason, and people fall to Chaos corruption regularly for reasons which have nothing to do with the expansion of the Wastes. Your argument is that someone cannot flee from the undesirable effects of the spread of Chaos whilst themselves being worshippers of Chaos? Once again, I refer you to Shadows Over Bogenhafen, where the main cultist had no desire for any of the negative effects of Chaos, or Norscans living in Marienburg and Nordland because they wanted a normal life.
>>98066088They have rules and if you have the models there's no reason you can't play them.
>>98066088Not officially. They have Legacy rules/renegade rules though. Keep in mind in TOW being legacy does not mean the same thing as in 40k. In 40k being legacy means no tournament support at all. Whereas in TOW, every single tournament outside Warhammer World allows for Legacy armies and many of them allow for the renegade pack rules
>>98059688The RPGs can be at times unnecessarily inconsistent with other sources, not just with main GW books.Here's an example, as this is Kislev's edition: RotIQ states Katarin took the throne at 2517IC, after her father Boris perished, yet (as far as I recall) almost all sources point her to be Tzarina long before - as far back as 2505 according to the Gotrek & Felix novels. btw fuck Andy Law, since had a hand in the book
Why do we never see Ice Mages in the Empire?I think they'd be a neat unit, especially in TOW where the 8 Colleges hadn't yet been founded by Teclis.
>>98065703Maybe you just aren't that good at it
>>98066113Who ruled Kislev during the Great War?
>>98065703>menheraOnly mentally ill women get to use that word, you're a mentally ill man in drag.
>>98066160It should be Alexis Romanoff, who at some point succeeded his mother Mishenka, unless GW for whatever reason changes it.
>>98064946>>98065015>>98065046LMAO I'm on a road trip and haven't posted in days you jackass... You're truly obsessed!!! See a psychiatrist
>>98066233Yeah this isn't gonna make everyone forget the meltdown across 2 threads you just had a few hours ago.
>>98066243Wasn't me, but link it please I will feel some pleasure reading it
>>98066088probably will be once the new ogre refresh hits aos in a year or so. they have a million of those sprues lying around, i cant imagine they wont continue to sell them. that said ogres are still perfectly playable and legal in old world, they just arent part of the main roster so they dont get expansion books yet like the main factions do, but you can still get the models and play with them, they have full rules
>>98066103>>98066110>>98066112>>98066298Thank you very much, Anons. I am exhausted by the modern state of 40k and want to be able to focus on miniatures that I can actually customize with wargear and details and story. Stuff like that is what got me into Wargaming as a hobby and what attracted me to Warhammer long ago. The Legends rules being more solid compared to 40k and the rumored squatting of all the current Legends is nice.
>>98066395just a heads up, the heads, gut plates, arms, hands, and shoulder accessories are interchangable between the basic ogre foot units and all the cavalry and monster riders and even the artillery crew somewhat, so if you get 1 or 2 boxes of each at the same time, you'll have tons of bits to customize your units with when you're building them. its one of those armies that really pays off to buy $300 of kits all at once.only kits that isnt true with are the resin/metal singles. the new tyrant is also kinda monopose, but he looks good so thats hardly a problem. also gorgers just got a new 5 man plastic kit that looks incredible
>>98066463Much appreciated, Anon! That sounds perfect. The cross-compatibility between kits in a range or ranges is one of my favorite things ever. Those Gorgers do look pretty good, I have to say. Nice.
>>98066099I don't know if they warrant a whole army book, but I would love to see non-chorf hobgoblins get some models.
New cathay wave when?
Some unit fillers because my fUCkiNG dudes won't rank up properly
>>98066598Hopefully in 4 years after some other ranges get a chance at new models.
>>98066233Beautiful landscape
>>98066627Is this meant to be desert? That bone should be bleached, not blackened.
>>98066233I fancy a cheeky swimmington in that river. Cozy landscape.
>>98065256That's not what NEET means, she's still in schoolShe's just a weirdo
>>98061042>eagle + lion = gryphon>eagle + horse = hippogryph>gryphon - lion - wings = demigryphThey don't really make sense, I don't care for them. Literally just a downgrade of a much cooler monster.
>>98063194
>>98066751Classic /fit/ meme, but the statues ass is edited here. That anon was complaining that the cartoon girl has wide hips but a "flat ass," because he has become stimulated by the niggerification of women on social media where every woman tries to have a garishly protruding and gauche ass.. that statue, and every other classical statue, and all classical art portrays women with wide hips and a nice, but 'flat' by anons nigger standards, ass.
>>98066661Probably but having it a pale colour next to the light spear and earth doesn't give enough contrast
>>98064655god it's amazing how much GW just yoinks from everyone else, even their goat headed rape monsters covered in shit are stolen
>>98065351those things look so embarrassing next to the new Slaanesh cavalry
>>98066852yeah sometimes old good new bad...but sometimes not.
Recommendations for unit fillers to put in Men at Arms? I don't want to just default to terrain pieces.
>>98066973some kind of supply wagons? carried shrine plinths?
>>98066973Elisse Duchard.
>>98066973some ladies to provide moral support?
>>98067134Whores would be with the baggage train or in camp.
>>98066395Check out out https://old-world-builder.com/ for army building and list testing. You can see how you’d like to tweak and build your ogres there. If you want a broader meta analysis. Check out https://www.oldworldrankings.com/
Dwarfs are a monoculture. They all work for the collective, you don't get to exist as a layabout. They hate everyone that isn't them, and think other ways are stupid. They hold grudges for lifetimes. If you make a mistake you get sent to the slayer gulag and are unpersoned. Their main hobby seems to be alcohol. They complain all the time.Are Dwarfs just commies?
>>98067265Nah, they're far too competent. It took a devastating war with another superpower and the ground beneath them collapsing to destroy their empire, not because they're retards who built nothing but bombs and shitty cars.
>>98066973Pet pig wearing the army colors on a pig sweater.
>>98067278I concede that that alone makes them superior. Maybe Skaven are a more apt comparison, except for the technological innovation.
>>98067265Dorfs are NOT commies, if you're a loser poorfag dorf you're a loser for life, no handouts. If you strike a claim on a valuable mine as a dorf, you became a rich hot shit nobleman and found your own hold on the site. Now fuck off, loser.
>>98067265>>98067292Not commies. They have rich and poor in their society. The funny thing is being rich isn’t actually that much of a status symbol. In Grudge Bearer one of the wealthy Dwarfs bargains with the King. Saying that he is very wealthy but desires a wife and children. He knows that he can’t attract a woman just being very wealthy, so he agrees to help the King on the condition that he is made a Thane if they succeed. So that he can use the status to find a woman.
>>98067319>leverages his wealth to make an opportunity to acquire statusSeems pretty useful to me.
Goddamn, how long can they milk "here are some more Space Marines"
>>98067265There's no collective or state ownership, so no. Dwarf society also appears to have no potential for revolutionary consciousness, their family worship and oath system very effectively prevents common dwarfs from developing even class consciousness.
>>98067292You misunderstand, I am not praising commies, I am shit-talking Dwarfs. I am not salty about the fucking stunties and their armour, that's for sure.
Why are there no transports in fantasy? Surely the empire can afford some carriages.
>>98067323Nah the King didn’t want financial support. He needed him as a tracker, which is how he made his wealth in the first place.
>>98067343They're called horses.
Uh oh fake rumor monger melty. Insane how discord mods manage to sound like the biggest faggots of all time. Like middle aged women.
>>98066655OK, sounds fair. That gives me enough time to paint 120 peasants
>>98067376I don't think I have in my entire life seen a single janny that isn't like that. From wiki editors to forum mods, "free" volunteers with power are all like that.
>>98067392It's the "unruly children" part, huh?
>>98067392>>98067395He literally writes like he's a middle aged mother talking down to her kids. What an absolute fag.
>>98067325until the box goes up for pre-order
>>98065703Cute rat
>>98067376What a faggot lmao
>>98066233Very pretty, where is that?
>>98067134he's playing Bretonnians not Beastmen
Finally found a shade of grass I like.
Tigermen will be cool
>>98067768What tufts?
>>98067773https://www.heki-kittler.de/produkte_shop?store-page=Grasfaser-Waldboden-p534575185For the grass. Got it from the local model train shop.The flowers are gamers grass tiny flowers.
>>98062166Oh hey, Tarantella anon!
>>98067376I'd be much happier if you didn't bring up this faggot
Wish there was an O&G version of renegade crowns
>>98067879I wish people played something else than night goblins. They need orc & common goblin focused arcane journal. Night goblin bricks with fanatics are so tiresome.
>>98067889Night Goblins have basically got nothing from the O&G AJ that was all focused on trolls and namadic Warggh Night Goblins are just good compared to the rest of the O&G roster
