A place for discussion of pre-WotC D&D, OSR retroclones, and OSR-adjacent games, with the exception of ACKS. ACKS is offtopic and should be discussed elsewhere.>Is this a general?No, just a place to discuss OSR and related content (that isn't ACKS)>Isn't there an OSR thread already?No, current regulars of /osrg/ have made it clear they only want to see a specific subset of OSR games in the thread.This means the name /osrg/ is somewhat misleading, but that's their problem.Please report and ignore any trolling.Thread question>Are there any OSR approved vidya? AKA Wizardry 1 etc.
Wait, why is ACKS offtopic? What is ACKS anyway? And haven't there been exactly identical threads, making it a general?I'm confused.Sorry, new here.
>>98066369This is a troll thread by a literal autist who's developed an autistic fixation about trying to take over /osrg/ for years, and who has a hard-on against ACKS (the RPG) and The Night Land (the book). The real /osrg/ is here: >>98041565This thread is only used by nogames, it's not a good place to discuss anything.
>>98066369A group of anons obsessed with ACKS astroturfed a "consensus" last year to heavily narrow the overton window of whats allowed on /osrg/. These threads are a place to discuss OSR as a whole without dealing with any contested personal definitions being enforced.
>>98066369Anons from /osrg/ spam/flood any threads they dont like with ACKS. Also ACKSfags have been banned from almost all other websites due to their rampant shilling, and were sick of them too.
>>98066369Flooding issues from bad faith trolls who spammed a few threads with it. If you want to talk about it for some reason, you can just go to the /osrg/ thread. But, be warned that's where the bad faith trolls hang out.
>>98066347We keep alternating between this OP and the "Open OSR" OP. I recommend we stick to the latter, I've preferred those threads.
>>98066347>Are there any OSR approved vidya? Baldur's Gate 2 is one of the greatest games of all time for a reason.While the first dungeon is pretty linear (and there's custom patches made just to skip it), the rest of the game really opens up and has tons of great dungeons to crawl through. The sewers and castle come to mind.There's so much stuff to get inspired by too. Lots of items and monsters given a lot of love, taken right from AD&D. It might not be the dankiest and dungeoniest game, but it's basically a must-play.
>>98066454Stop lying
>>98066483I am the one who started the open OSR threads. The last one is still active, I'll make a replacement tomorrow as it gets closer to the bottom
>>98066512My controversial opinion is that is Icewind Dale is better than either of the Baldur's Gates. My ideal D&D vidya looks pretty close to the combat and dungeoncrawling focus of Icewind Dale, but with the openness of the first Baldur's Gate (and turn based of course)
>>98066454>completely invented trololol horseshit/osrg/ has had the same scope for over a decade, you nonce.
>>98066369>And haven't there been exactly identical threads, making it a general?That's right, you're absolutely correct. The autist making these thinks that declaring things makes them true, though (or possibly he thinks nobody can see through his genius ruse), so he believes that just claiming that it isn't a general will somehow prevent everyone from noticing that it's a rival OSR general.He's a very stupid person. It's not you.
>>98066512Nothing about BG2 is OSR in either play style or system.
>>98066347>ACKS is offtopic and should be discussed elsewhere.The funny part is they don't talk about it at all in /osrg/ anymore.
>>98066369>haven't there been exactly identical threads, making it a general?OP went to the mods on IRC to whine that his troll threads called /osrg/ but with modified OPs were being deleted en masse for weeks. The mods explicitly told OP to stop doing that:https://i.4cdn.org/tg/1779049619021084.pngSo his genius idea is to post these troll threads WITHOUT calling them a "general" explicitly./osrg/ regulars have been retaliating by mocking OP, insulting him, and shitposting on and off here.
>>98066576holy shit what the actual fuck is wrong with this guy
>>98066347Jannies, how much longer is it going to take for you to realize that these threads are completely fucking disingenuous and drop them? You'd think it would be enough that he's effectively calling you imbeciles by pretending his general isn't one.
>>98066574We don't really care that much about ACKS over at /osrg/, it's more that fishfag gets so ass-raving mad about it that it's become a matter of principle to talk about it.
>>98066579The issue is the osrg thing everyone who does not agree with Thier strange definition of OSR is this guy. Posting style and timezones be damned.
>>98066592Personally I don't like ACKS, but I don't get why someone would seethe so much. Is it really just the AI art?
>>98066596It's mostly because the osrg guys use it to troll every thread they want shut down.
>>98066579When we say he's a literal, clinical autist we mean it. He's obviously developed a fixation about fucking /osrg/ over. It's pretty obvious he's never actually played a game in his life.
>>98066596He hates the author because of /pol/ bullshit, he's said as much explicitly a bunch of times. He thinks he's a Nazi (he isn't).
>>98066579Here's proof of what Anon is saying:>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/osrg/deleted/deleted/You can see that he tried it again and again and again and again in the beginning of the year, then got told to lay off by the mods so he had to knock it off, then he tried it out of sheer inability to resist his Tourette's itch one last time in mid-April, and then a couple weeks after that got BTFO, these threads started showing up. It's all the same ass pirate just trying new ways to start shit and derail /osrg/ in his frustration over being denied.
>Are there any OSR approved vidya? AKA Wizardry 1 etc.Etrian Odyssey scratches a lot of my itches. It's an incredibly refined take on dungeon crawling, with lots of sharp difficulty spikes but everything feels so well designed nothing seems unfair. You gotta draw your own maps (though it makes it really easy to do), and the story is so bare-bones practically-nonexistent that years later after it became so popular they went back and released a version with something of an actual story.It's also got a really catchy IOSYS song. https://youtu.be/dB_PVPyn6n8?si=y6Y_g1msV7daP4XMIt's all about resource management and also turn management, with turn management being particularly interesting because there's really nasty enemies that wander about and can even join into battles, including against bosses. Most Atlus dungeon crawlers are pretty great and refined, but Etrian Odyssey is so beautifully pure.>>98066512>skipping the first dungeonBlasphemy.
>>98066574Why would we talk about it in /osrg/ when we have a perfectly good ACKS General here? I mean it's not like anyone ever disusses any other games in these threads.
>>98066593>Thier
Reminder: just ignore the posts that either complain about 2e or promote ACKS. They're being made in bad faith.Do not engage with the trolls. They know they're lying and just making stuff up, we know they're full of shit, there's no point in interacting with them.
>>98066609>(The OP has been changed to make the general more inclusive and friendly by my own personal consensus, and there is no rules against doing so. There will be no more "welcome to the /osrg/" opening blurb as every other thread does not have one, nor is it needed! As a reminder, talk about the game, not users!)this is the most autistic thing i've ever read
>>98066596No, the AI art is just a feeble excuse. See, he doesn't really understand other people and how they think, so he believes that if he posts "incriminating" "proof" we will get BTFO somehow and have to stop liking the game rules. A very strange belief, yes. But that's life in the tism bin.As for why he actually hates it, I have no idea. Some anons think it's /pol/tardery, I suspect it's just a random autistic fixation, something about it put him off and so now it's the irredeemable worst ever and even seeing others like it galls him. See, he does the same thing with The Night Land and that has no possible political valence whatsoever, it's a hundred-year-old fantasy book about life on Earth in the far future.
>>98066620>this is the most autistic thing i've ever readI'm glad to hear you've never visited /r9k/! Keep it up!But yeah, jokes aside it's even worse and more autismal than you think. The OP text of /osrg/ was clarified awhile back; there was and is a strong thread consensus for the change, with this guy the only, very assmangled dissenter. He tried claiming that it was lots of people, but he just got laughed at since everyone knows that's not the case; by the time he made that thread the strong agreement on the whole thing was so obvious he could no longer even lie about it, and so that's what his OP is referencing: his own, personal one-man counter-"consensus". You can almost smell his rage-tears through the screen.Incidentally he's now back to claiming there were millions of them disagreeing, I don't know how that works really, if he just forgot admitting it or decided that maybe the entire population of /tg/ had been replaced by now so he could try again on people with no memory of events, or what.
>>98066554Icewind Dale is fine, but it can feel a bit repetitive. I think why BG2 gets so much love is how much variety there is to everything.
>>98066347A friend recommended Darkest Dungeon as having an "OSR feel".I hope that's not what he actually thinks OSR is like.
>>98066347See if you can find any of the old SSI games. Find Ravenloft: Stone prophet and you too can wander aimlessly around the Har'Akir desert and get lost in tombstone while undead attack you and you have no fucking idea where to go or what you are doing Truly the real OSR experience
>>98066701BG2 gets love because it has love.BG2 is a glorified dating sim, which is also why BG3 was so popular. Icewind Dale made the mistake of not including any way to have romance options.This is also the secret behind why FF7 gets so much adoration within the FF series. Even though the romance is just a tiny part and doesn't impact the story much if at all, it's important for the main character to have a minimum of 3 potential things he can stick his dick into.
>>98066787>3
>>98066787Yep. The fanbase for BG2 and 3 is millennial women who turn off all the gameplay challenges and play in "story mode" so they can have gay romances with a vampire. It has very little to do with any supposed OSR vibe.
>>98066846>gayfag tries to tell people about vibesNigga you gay.
>>98066846Wait, you mean to tell me there hasn't been romance options in your games?Are you telling me you've been hiring MALE hirelings?
>>98066900If that's not gay, I don't know what is.
>>98066609>actual proofyou dont think a screenshot of talking to the mods is proof?
>>98066610>lots of sharp difficulty spikes but everything feels so well designed nothing seems unfair.No, it definitely feels unfair. It definitely has some mandatory grinding to get past certain walls.
>>98066454This part is true, though.The guy who made ACKS and his fanboys attempted to implement his shitty NSR game into the thread, writing his name even next to Gygax. This could have been solved if he just bought an ad on 4chan
>>98066909OSR - Otokonoko Sexual Roleplaying
>>98067153Just imagine the class options. Twink has to be a class right?
>>98066555Yes, and then you changed it
>>98066347I would urge you to stop trolling the osrg-retards with your OP.The previous OP we had was neutral and professional and served the purpose of identifying what the thread is about.And you didn't even use the pic I asked, baka
>>98058068Taking up the ACKS II class overview from last thread. Next up is the Zaharan Ruinguard. This is a hybrid fighter/magic-user, with a slowed down Arcane spell progression, and able to reach the 9th caster level at the 12th level of class experience. The Zaharan Ruinguard is meant to be a substitute for the Drow in the Auran Empire: An evil race with strong fighting and arcane magic capabilities. Among its powers are the ability to "arcane strike", sacrificing spell slots for extra damage on a melee hit, and "death healing", the ability to spend spell slots to heal self after felling an opponent. Formidable.But the truly unique thing about this class is the ability to eventually transform into an undead while keeping the full class powers: Despite the class being limited to 12th level while fully alive, its maximum level increases to 14th with undeath.Very cool class, if a bit edgy. I'm not sure I'd want to play it in most campaigns, but perhaps with the right party...
>>98067722>first decadeHow long's a decade, fishfag?
>>98066347>Are there any OSR approved vidya? AKA Wizardry 1 etc. It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
>>98067738OP doesn't want to talk about games, he wants to be a faggot. That's why he's spent half the thread bullshitting and seething.
>>98067911>misses "encourages"osrgtard doesn't know how to read episode 9456OP was about TSR-era D&D (that's not a decade by the way) for years consistently up to 2024you are trying to rewrite history and everyone knows it
>>98067908great more obvious AI art for my collection that will make it hard for Macris to make a scapegoat out of the artist and claim innocence>I.. I.. didn't know!..lol no, he did
>>98068044How many years does "encourages" add to a decade?
Favourite ACKS monster? Mine's the Wivern
>>98068063But the Venous Sentinel is pretty good too
>>98068047>AI artDoesn't look like AI to me. But even if it is, who cares? What matters is the game. Not that you would know the difference, since you have never played a game in your life and are too stupid to even create your own B/X character sheet
>>98067722>Picks two posts out of literally 800 "first decade" ones.You're fucking retarded, fishfag.
>>98068087>Reminder: just ignore the posts that either complain about 2e or promote ACKS. They're being made in bad faith.lolThe only bad faith posts are fishfag's ones, for example all the lies about /osrg/.
>>98066787Alright, so how do I incorporate dating sim elements into my game?
>>98068087>If somebody proves you wrong, stick your fingers in your ears and yell "Lalala I can't hear what you're saying you're a troll!!!"
>>98068087Reminder: This is thread for nevergame retards who talk about dating sims and the real OSR is here:>>98041565>>98041565>>98041565
>>98068114Thank you for this very organic and insightful discussion that totally proves that this thread is alive and having real conversations.
>>98068063>>98068066Anons tend to like the more powerful or scary monsters, but I for one think that the Tokay Gull is adorable.
>>98068087Come on, what's "bad faith" about discussing ACKS classes and monsters? Don't be ridiculous and tell us what your favourite one is.Picrel: Thrassian, Macris's "super-lizardman".
>>98068087Anon, can you please stop provoking them? What's the point?
>>98068197I was wondering as well.
>>98068199It's either flamebaiting or outright false flagging.
>>98068205False flagging? That seems a bit of a stretch.
>>98068209Either way it's a bad faith post. A provocation posing as a "don't feed the trolls" comment.
Just wanna point out this thread is still active >>98056103And it's not made to antagonize or feed an endless war like this one is
>>98068225And the trolls flooded that thread too.>>98068197You're not following the action/reaction correctly.They flood, and a reminder is posted.
>>98068225>it's not made to antagonize or feed an endless war like this one isAnd yet in that single thread you've made FOUR copypastas unfairly accusing everybody who criticises 2e or talks about ACKS of being a troll:>>98063334>>98064416>>98065263>>98066166You're a hypocrite.
>>98068243>They flood, and a reminder is posted.Nobody was flooding anything, you're just desperately assmangled whenever ACKS is mentioned, despite it being an OSR game, perfectly on topic, and the discussion around it being organic, unlike the bullshit you've been posting about dating sims.Not to mention the lies you've been making up about /osrg/ changing topic.
>>98068244>>98068251Anon, stop biting their bait and talk about games.
>>98068244Not me dude. None of those are mine
>>98068261So the anons who were saying it's flamebaiting / false flagging are on to something?
>>98068243Yeah, they will troll the fuck out of any OSR thread no matter who starts it. They think every positive post in these threads are made by one person cresting fake conversation.You can't reason with that level of delusional thinking. I am just pointing out this thread is made to fight the endless war
>>98068265>Reminder: just ignore the posts that either complain about 2e or promote ACKS. They're being made in bad faith.lolThe only bad faith posts are fishfag's ones, for example all the lies about /osrg/
>>98068265>If somebody proves you wrong, stick your fingers in your ears and yell "Lalala I can't hear what you're saying you're a troll!!!"
>>98068071>If any use of AI is not disclosed properly _during the submission process_, the project may be suspended. Attempts to skirt our guidelines or intentionally misrepresent a project will result in restrictions from submitting a Kickstarter project in the future.Well apparently KS caresNow that I think about it since you keep returning to the thread with ACKS-spamming, it seems like a good discussion topicI'll start a dedicated thread and we'll see what other anons have to say about thatmaybe some leftist who has a grudge against macris will see the thread and repost the pics all other the internet, organize a campaign of other leftists to spam KS with complaintsmaybe notwho knows? that's the thrill of itit's like rolling for a random encounter
>>98068265Reminder: This is thread for nevergame retards who talk about dating sims and the real OSR is here:>>98041565>>98041565>>98041565
>>98068267No clue at this point, but there is a ton to this guts posts. He could be one guy or a few fucking with the rabid trolls who attack anything they hate. It would not shock me at this point if it's not a couple of dudes fucking with em as they are unreasonable as all fuck.This is 4 chan, trolling to fuck with folks is a hobby here. But it's clear by timezones it's not one guy
>>98068072see >>98068044, you fucking brain-dead retard>TSR-era D&D prior to 2024-01-01>719 results
>>98066347>TQThe most OSR style game I can think of would have to be Daggerfall. Enormous open world sandbox, massive dungeons, randomly generated everything, several dozen different factions to join, attacks have “to hit” dice checks. Main story is just kinda there in the back ground leaving you to run around and make your own. Only problem it’s very clearly a randomly generated game from the 1990s and has not aged well. But as far as getting the “what would an old school DnD feel like in Vidya” Daggerfall is the peak imo
>>98068265Come on, what's "bad faith" about discussing ACKS classes and monsters? Don't be ridiculous and tell us what your favourite one is.Picrel: Gorgon, Macris's "super-medusa".
Reminder that the trolls will do their best to bait responses, and will lie shamelessly.>>98066454This posts explained the problem, the same problem that occurred in the last thread, the ten before that, and the same problem that's occurring in this thread. The irony of these trolls trying to lie about what they did while they're still doing it is on a completely unique level that most experts call "absolute retardation."
>>98068280>This posts explained the problemNo, (You) lied about it, troll.
>>98068278>Only problem it’s very clearly a randomly generated game from the 1990s and has not aged well.It really feels like there was so much that could be built upon and improved. Just a little more polish in a few spots, a few QoL updates.I think they actually overcooked it with Morrowind. It lost a lot of Daggerfall's charm.
>>98068290moar leik dis
>>98067908It's an interesting vaiant of the Elf! I can see how it's best used for NPCs, though.
>>98068044You're the only one who's ever believed that these sophisms were at alll credible, Fishfag. That'a why you got laughed out of /osrg/ every time you tried to use them.
>>98066592Nah, there used to be actual discussion of gameplay instead of this larp >>98066611I understand the historical animosity but its just both of you being really faggy now and not in the fantasy adventure game way.
>>98068372>both of you being really faggy now...so does fishfag exist, after all?
>>98066607>2e-fag is also a SJWWow, "modern audiences" fags really are today's satanic panic crowd. I wonder how restless Jack Chick is in his grave, knowing whom his legacy's banner is now hoisted by.
>>98068279This one's a cutie, I wonder why anyone would hate it, people who hate doggos are subhuman.
>>98068378You have a hard time distinguishing when different anons are posting huh.
>>98068177>>98068189>>98068063>>98068066>>98068443ACKS Is offtopic.
>>98068596How can ACKS be offtopic in the ACKS General? See >>98066611
>>98068072Which only start in March 2019, hardly "original":>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/osrg/text/first%20decade/type/op/order/asc/4plebs archives 495 /osrg/s prior to that one going back to 2015:>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/osrg/type/op/end/2019-03-08/The oldest of which have the 3rd-edition based Castles & Crusades linked in the OP, which the "best list of retroclones that (they) know of" provides For Gold & Glory and Hackmaster as 2nd edition retroclones.Matter of fact, that "Useful Links" pastebin from September 2015 is still available:>https://pastebin.com/JtFH682q
>>98068834>he's still spegulating about being wrong, trying to invent his own alternate history of both OSR and the /osrg/ where he's secretly rightIt'd be a sad spectacle if it wasn't so funny.
>>98068920I think at this point he's spent cumulative weeks scouring the archive for individual posts that are ambiguously enough he thinks he can use them in support of his schizo theories.All for a game he's never played.Autism's a bitch.
>>98068951*ambiguous t. phonefag
>>98068834>Matter of fact, that "Useful Links" pastebin from September 2015 is still available:>>https://pastebin.com/JtFH682q>Star Frontiers>TalislantaAh, yes, very OSR indeed.
>>98068273Every time these ACKS guys accuse the people here of being redditors, I don't think they really appreciate how lucky they are they're just dealing with people from 4chan.Hell, they're lucky the game got banned there before people actually had a chance to look inside the ACKS2 books.
>>98069187>a redditor trying to threaten 4chan with the ferocity of redditorsLMAO
>>98069197>threaten 4chanlol, the acks fags think they're a part of 4chan.
>>98069236>t. A Self-Admitted Redditor
IS AD&D 2e A DEAD EDITION?>ForumsThere's many forums dedicated mostly or exclusively to OD&D and/or AD&D 1e (Dragonsfoot, K&KA, odd74), but literally ZERO dedicated to AD&D 2e. AD&D 2e only gets some discussion because it's lumped together with AD&D 1e on some forums, and because Dragonsfoot created a separate subforum for it as containment.>Retroclones and derivative gamesFar too many extremely popular retroclones derivatives of B/X, OD&D, and AD&D to list them all. OSE, Labyrinth Lord, OSRIC, Swords & Wizardry, LotFP, Dragonslayer....There's only one AD&2e retroclone, For Gold and Glory, and it is only a Gold Bestseller on DTRPG. Even ACKS, a niche derivative of B/X, is an Adamantine Bestseller: Three steps above on the badge system!Adamantine > Mythral > Platinum > GoldSo even ACKS has sold at least 10 times as many copies as For Gold and Glory.>Dungeons and modulesThe situation here is even more grim. Tons of modules for B/X, OD&D, AD&D, and their retroclones: Khosura, Xyntillan, Barrowmaze, Archaia, Highfell, Dwarrowdeep, Arden Vul, Carcosa, Gunderholfen, Rappan Athuk, Stonehell, Ynn, Stygian Library, Dwimmermount, a dozen Necrotic Gnome ones, Illmire, Veins of the Earth, Anomalous Subsurface Environment...But there's practically NOTING published for AD&D 2e or For Gold & Glory. >ConclusionAD&D 2e is a dead edition. Little to no discussions about it, only one very poorly selling retroclone, virtually no adventures and modules. This is a hard, undeniable fact.>But why?There is only one possible explanation: No reason to play AD&D 2e since 3e came out. OD&D, B/X, and AD&D all have enthusiastic fanbases because they enable a style of play that is impossible to do with later editions. AD&D 2e, on the other hand focuses on the exact same style as WotC editions story arc / story goals / railroading, but it is extremely poorly designed, so people who want to play that way have all switched to 3e, 5e, or PF.
>>98068920How exactly is the point that the anti-2e position is not reflected in the first several years of /osrg/ OPs an "alternate history", given the provided evidence?>>98068951Both searches in that post are of /osrg/ subject opening posts, not individual in the slightest. One of them is simply flipping the chronological order of the very same search used to tout eight hundred "first decade" threads to show when they started, which is again years after the oldest archived.>>98068982Yes, whoever maintained the pastbin from 4plebs' third-oldest /osrg/ thread archived does indeed appear to have a very broad definition of "OSR", as was the point of bringing it up.
IS ACKS A DEAD GAME?>ForumsIt's been banned from several forums, and even on the one's where it is allowed to be discussed it's generally treated with derision, partly because of its creator is a slimey grifter, but largely due to how grossly incompetent it is as a game. Many places don't have any discussion of it at all, not because of banning or boycott, but there's just absolutely nothing interesting to say about the game other than it's pretty bad.>Retroclones and derivative gamesAbsolutely no one wants anything to do with it, especially thanks to all the scandals that have erupted around it.Despite a campaign to shill it all over the internet that resulted it getting banned from several websites, ACKS2 is only a platinum Bestseller on DTRPG. Even AD&D 2e is an Adamantine Bestseller: Two steps above on the badge system!Adamantine (5000)> Mythral (2000)> Platinum (1000)> Gold (500)So even AD&D 2e has sold at least 5 times as many copies as ACKS2, but probably many times that number, because Adamatine is just the highest it goes to while Platinum means just 1000+ but less than 2000, an embarrassingly low number, especially for a game actively shilled to the point of it getting banned.>Dungeons and modulesThe situation here is even more grim. All the ACKS modules are trash, including several that apparently make you gay just by holding them. Several ACKS fags can attest to this, by their shrill voices and insatiable lust for cock.>ConclusionACKS is exclusively for homoesexuals. Little to no discussions about it, only one very poorly selling retroclone, virtually no adventures and modules. This is a hard, undeniable fact.>But why?There is only one possible explanation: It's not even a game, just a scam run by some grifter who probably AI generated most of the text with the prompt "make me the laziest and most uninspired b/x clone and make it only appeal to the kind of homos who have slap fights for who gets to be the bottom.
>>98069486>Platinum means just 1000+ but less than 2000There were likely more sales of AD&D 2e in just 2026 so far then there were of ACKS2 in its entire liftetime.
>>98069486>ACKS2 is only a platinum Bestseller on DTRPG. Even AD&D 2e is an Adamantine BestsellerLOLWho fucking cares about ACKS, you're only demonstrating that the other Anon is right about 2e being dead.1) You're comparing AD&D 2e, that has been on DTRG for 12 years with, ACKS II, that has been on DTRPG for only 18 months. Give it time.2) In fact, ACKS first edition is an Adamantine Best Seller just like AD&D 2e.3) You're comparing something sold by Hasbro under the D&D brand name with a self-published game by a single dude working on it in his own basement while caring for his disabled wife upstairs.The fact that you're comparing AD&D 2e with a niche game like ACKS and finding out that they have comparable sales only demonstrates that AD&D 2e is by far the least popular of the D&D editions. And dead.>There's no retroclones of ACKS!!11You're fucking retarded. If that's the comparison that you have to pull out of your ass to claim that AD&D 2e is still alive, you've got nothing. NOTHING
>>98069634>2) In fact, ACKS first edition is an Adamantine Best Seller just like AD&D 2e.5000 or so copies sold over a decade is pretty low number.>1) You're comparing AD&D 2e, that has been on DTRG for 12 yearsAnd a game that's sold on a number of other platforms, including Wizards' own shop, as well as having a considerable amount of physical wares available on the market. All in all, 2e is a monster of an RPG that has literally hundreds of thousands of copies sold, including 5k+ on DTRPG even more than two decades after it was first printed, and you wanted to declare it dead when your pet RPG struggles to get to even 2k in two years.You wanted to try and act like For Gold and Glory was representative of 2e, when 2e can stand on its own and speak for itself.
>>98069298Excellent post.>>98069486Sloppy, malding imitation post with poor logic.Once again, the real thing is instantly identifiable when compared to the cheap, feckless imitation.
>>98069486>>98069620AYRT.>You shouldn't compare AD&D 2e to OD&D, B/X, AD&D, BECMI, D&D 3e, and D&D 5e!>You should compare AD&D 2e to ACKS, that practically nobody has heard about!My point exactly. That's how dead AD&D 2e is. Thanks for agreeing.
>>98069634This. Unbelievable that A, he's so fixated on ACKS that he doesn't realize that's not the competition, and B, he thinks 2e's performance over more than a decade being in any way comparable to ACKS II which hasn't even been out for two years isn't itself a massive condemnation of 2e's popularity.And on top of all this, the only thing he can think to do when confronted with the truth is to sloppily copy the posts of his natural superiors.Hilariously failed bait.
>>98069695>5000 or so copies sold over a decade is pretty low number.Yeah, that's an embarrassingly low number for something like AD&D 2e. That's the reason why I say it's effectively dead.>2e is a monster of an RPG that has literally hundreds of thousands of copies soldAD&D 2e had hundreds of thousands of copies sold in the 1990s, before 3e was published. When 3e came out, everybody abandoned AD&D 2e, because D&D 3e did everything AD&D 2e tried to do, but better.Contrast this with OD&D, AD&D, and B/X, that are still immensely popuar, with tens of retroclones and modules published for them.>You wanted to try and act like For Gold and Glory was representative of 2eFor Gold and Glory is absolutely representative of how popular 2e is today when you compare it with Labyrinth Lord, OSE, Swords & Wizardry, LotFP, and so on. LMAO even fucking ACKS, a virtually unknown game that nobody gives a shit about, sells more than For Gold and Glory.
>>98069740>>98069743You were given enough leash to make a fool of yourself by comparing ACKS to For Gold and Glory as if FGaG was 2e, and now that 2e reveals itself to be so much bigger, you cower and go straight into goal post-shifting, crying, pleading, and bitter tear-filled trolling?lol. You probably have a long history of picking fights and regretting them. That immediate spineless response has to come from practice.
>>98069743>>98069788Another thing to note is that most likely effectively everyone who bought ACKS bought it to play, since it was blacklisted by the collector paypig community exemplified by r/OSR. On the other hand, few of those 2e purchases can have been made with actual play in mind – not only because it's unplayably bad, but because it's the prime target of nostalgiafagging.
>>98069774>the only thing he can think to do when confronted with the truth is to sloppily copy the posts of his natural superiorsAdditionally, as the author of the post about AD&D 2e being dead, I gave exclusively objective data and facts, except for the "but why" part at the very end, that of course is interpretation.The copycat hijacked comment about ACKS was 75% subjective opinion and 25% data that proves the opposite of his claim.AD&D 2e is dead.Y'all are makin' love to a rottin' corpse, son.
>>98069796LOL, like you gave Anon active permission to post about FG&G in the first place, I'd recognize that combo of arrogance and idiocy anywhere.FG&G is the apt comparison to ACKS because they're both retroclones of different editions – ACKS even a second-tier clone of B/X, as Anon noted in his initial comparison post, whereas FG&G is the prime and only 2e clone, so that if 2e had any life at all FG&G ought to be huge. Again, now that you've revealed 2e to be *as big as* ACKS, nobody's crying or cowering, we're just laughting at you for the massive own goal you scored for no reason.It's also funny that you had to cry about it for a day or two before you could invent even this kind of feeble, worthless rebuttal. Anon owned you completely.
>>98069796You have such an insane autistic fixation about ACKS that the moment you see it mentioned you go ass raving mad and aren't even able to follow what the original post was saying.>You were given enough leash to make a fool of yourself by comparing ACKS to For Gold and Glory.No. I compared For Gold and Glory to OSE, Labyrinth Lord, OSRIC, Swords & Wizardry, LotFP, Dragonslayer, and ACKS, and the conclusion I've found that it's less popular than ALL of those on the list.I selected ACKS precisely because it's a very small and unknown game that nobody gives a shit about, and For Gold and Glory is even worse than ACKS. MUCH worse, in fact.That's how bad For Gold and Glory is.>now that 2e reveals itself to be so much bigger [than ACKS], you cower and go straight into goal post-shiftingI was comparing AD&D 2e to OD&D, AD&D, and B/X. Read the post again:>>98069298>>98069298>>98069298You not only have failed to prove that in the last two decades AD&D 2e has comparable popularity to OD&D, AD&D, and B/X: You haven't even tried.
>>98069838Fishfag is such a literal fucking retard with an autistic fixation against ACKS and cosmic levels of assmanglement that he hasn't understood that the reason I brought up ACKS in my post is PRECISELY because it's an unknown game.
You get the feeling they need their echo chamber because they never learned how to argue? It's a lot of "you have to agree with my illogical nonsense or the rest of my argument doesn't work" business.It's the kind of mental gymnastics where everyone knows these ACKS trolls are just lying and trying to figure out how to spin what few facts are in their favor while doing their best to dismiss the mountain of evidence against them, but the trolls just keep plowing ahead like they think they can force people to keep arguing with them even when they just finished embarrassing themselves.
>>98069896>You get the feeling they need their echo chamber because they never learned how to argue? It's a lot of "you have to agree with my illogical nonsense or the rest of my argument doesn't work" business.>t. salty retard who only posts guaranteed logic-free schizo drivel
>>98069896>No counterargument.I hear ya loud and clear, bud. AD&D 2e's deader'n a doornail, and y'all are just makin' fools of yerselves messin' with the carcass.
>>98069896>gets told 40 times that "2e is dead" anon doesn't even like or care about ACKS>"these ACKS trolls"By Allah, I have seen cases of insanity caused DIRECTLY by B/X retroclones.
>>98069925Son, next time I get to hollerin' and repostin' that breakdown, I'm fixin' to tear out every last lick of mention about ACKS. That way, there ain't a snowball's chance in hell for folks to dodge the cold, hard truth that AD&D 2e is deader'n a hammer-hit hog.
>>98069939Yeehaw! Darn tootin'.
While I am not invoked in your argument, FG&G was published in 2012. It adds a little bit of organization, but nothing ground breaking. It's art is all open source and it's layout is just "okay". We are not talking about new layouts and organization like OSRIC, S&W, Ll or any of the others ones got. 2e really didn't need much What made it a thing was at the time of its publishing you could not legally get Ad&d 2e PDFs. So FG&G was the option. But that last a single year, in 2013 Wotc started once more selling PDFs and so when folks want 2e, they get actual 2e.If it had more years to grew as the others dude with the d&d PDF ban (2009-2013) we may have seen more 2e clones. Keep in mind 2012l3 was also the year the 2nd higher production 2e neoclone Myth&Magic came out. Only for it to be one of those mid 2000s Kickstarter cash outs.2e clones just missed the window.
>>98069973>T-the reason there's no AD&D 2e retroclones and derivatives is that they are not needed.Disingenuous cope. You completely ignored most of the original post:>>Forums>>There's many forums dedicated mostly or exclusively to OD&D and/or AD&D 1e (Dragonsfoot, K&KA, odd74), but literally ZERO dedicated to AD&D 2e. AD&D 2e only gets some discussion because it's lumped together with AD&D 1e on some forums, and because Dragonsfoot created a separate subforum for it as containment.>>Dungeons and modules>>The situation here is even more grim. Tons of modules for B/X, OD&D, AD&D, and their retroclones: Khosura, Xyntillan, Barrowmaze, Archaia, Highfell, Dwarrowdeep, Arden Vul, Carcosa, Gunderholfen, Rappan Athuk, Stonehell, Ynn, Stygian Library, Dwimmermount, a dozen Necrotic Gnome ones, Illmire, Veins of the Earth, Anomalous Subsurface Environment...>>But there's practically NOTING published for AD&D 2e or For Gold & Glory.
>>98069999Dude not arguing with over this. You can keep carrying on your jihad. I just added clear context to things. You don't have to like those facts, but they are facts.
>>98069973>But that last a single year, in 2013 Wotc started once more selling PDFs and so when folks want 2e, they get actual 2e.Not just PDFs, but a physical release as well, which sold out almost instantly.
>>98070007He's still going for his "Dragonsfoot's dedicated 2e board is for containment" coping. Guy can see a fact like Dragonsfoot having a 2e subforum that's even got more posts than their OD&D/B/X/Etc subforum, and still try to figure out how to spin it to try and preserve his ego.
>>98070007>You don't have to like those facts, but they are facts.Your opinion that AD&D 2e doesn't need retroclones, modules, and discussion forums isn't a fact, it's an opinion. One that I agree with, by the way: It doesn't need them because it's dead.
>>98070048>Dragonsfoot having a 2e subforum that's even got more posts than their OD&D/B/X/Etc subforumThat's simply because fans of OD&D and Classic D&D don't post on Dragonsfoot, they have their dedicated spaces, like odd74 and the Vaults of Pandius. Vaults of Pandius in particular has TONS of fan-made material for classic D&D.There's nothing that comes close to it for AD&D 2e. No fan-made content, no fan-made discussion. All 2e fans have are wikis, because all 2e fans do is read the setting books as if they were novels, rather than play.And no play = dead edition.
Random ideas various autists can argue about for the popularity contest bit. 1 minute of youtube searching actual plays for both >2nd edition dnd and >ACKS got a 2nd ed Greyhawk campaign running The Night Below https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ3WfnWCU_Q&list=PL1dc382O8j8SxwviJX13GTe2kaXKa3O_gand The Grey Brotherhood which is ACKS II, I didn't see an ACKS I which might be a better comparison timeframe wise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4eiS9Ee87U&list=PL3rfKxF3VFAa6wncdPj6tuAfG4Fzl6qNbThere's some mixed factors that make comparison messier like I have no idea who any of these people are or how much clout they bring as viewers or anything like that. I had to remember what actual plays were called because I do not watch or listen to them, but they are an interesting note about popularity. Run time won't be simultaneous either so its not a clean comparison but whatever, none of the belligerents here are interested in a clean fight anyway. So the 2nd ed one started with 67K views, ran for a 136 sessions ending with 993 views. Then they started doing it again with other systems or something insane. The ACKS II game started with 12K viewsand went for 36 episodes (didn't list by sessions and I'm not watching these to find out) and ended with 1K views. Hot takes:>2nd ed has way more views. >ACKS II might still be going though, running things in 2nd ed looks like an adverting novelty. >they all look like the same boomer in the videos
>>98070019Yeah, I really should have got a set of those. They are high now. Like 80 bucks each or something.>>98070048Yeah the 2e section is very active. The thing folks like him fail to understand is, 2e just mixes with 1e. It's found any place you find 1e or OSR stuff
>>98070092>Again comparing AD&D 2e with ACKS rather than with the other D&D editions.Your astronomical levels of assmanglement about ACKS are showing again, fishfag. Comparing the popularity of an official D&D edition with that of ACKS is a ridiculously low bar.You're further proving that AD&D 2e is the least popular of all D&D editions.
>>98070060That is a strawman as that was nothing I said at all.
>>98070095>It's found any place you find 1e or OSR stuffBut no dedicated space for it.Basically ZERO of any OSR stuff is for 2e. It's dead: Only one extremely unpopular retroclone (less popular than even fucking ACKS!), no published modules of note, no dedicated websites or forums.Deader than dead.
>>98070092That's really an unfair contest.The only reason to even compare 2e's popularity to ACKS's is if some ACKSfag declares 2e dead while failing to appreciate that if 2e is dead, ACKS is deader-than-dead and he's been sucking some sort of completely rotted corpse dick.
>>98069999Quads for truth
>>98070095>The thing folks like him fail to understand is, 2e just parasitizes off 1e. It tries to worm itself into any place you find 1e or OSR stuff.No, we knew that already.Good of you to admit that 2e is distinct from OSR stuff, though.
>>98070131Funny enough 2e is pretty active for an rpg
>>98070131>some ACKSfag declares 2e dead>>98069925
>>98070163>Funny enough 2e is pretty active for an rpg>if I just make a completely baseless statement that will make it trueSee >>98069298 for facts and statistics contradicting your ridiculous claim.
>>98070131>That's really an unfair contest.¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ that's clearly not a thing fish or team acks care about at all but fuck it, maybe shadowdark is more apt to compare to ACKS I suppose. The 1st to 2nd comparison is likely closer if you want. I think the two points that >2nd can use all the 1st it wants vs>there is very little 2nd content or discussion highlight an interesting tension all the way back to if 2nd is osr or not. The other option is the popularity contest argument wasn't an argument at all, just flinging shit to make fish mad. Retrospectivly that seems the most likely. >>98070113lolmad
>>98070163It was actually kind of entertaining to see how the troll started with his "2e is dead" declaration and what kind of dipshit lunacy he'd come up with to try and support it. The 2e=FG&G is probably the dumbest and most desperate move I've ever seen someone try, but self-immolating by putting ACKS on the pyre unbidden is like watching someone try to duel with his pistol pointing backwards.
>>98070199Yeah, he didn't like when I pointed out the timeline. Fg&G is a very bare bones project. It's kinda good as a search reference, but folks just use the easy to get 2e books. I think he is the same guy that gets really annoyed when you point out 1e and 2e are the same basic system and can be used interchangeablely
>>98070229>I think he is the same guy that gets really annoyed when you point out 1e and 2e are the same basic system and can be used interchangeablelyIt's just more of that "declaration, followed by insanity to try and piece together an argument that he thinks looks plausible as long as you know absolutely nothing." He starts with "2e is not OSR", and in order to reach that conclusion, he actually has to go out of his way to redefine OSR as "not 2e" and then exaggerate all the differences between 1e and 2e in order to do so. The irony is that most of the major changes between 1e and 2e actually make 2e more stylistically akin to B/X, so he's got to really nitpick about the littlest things and then act like they're what the secret-OSR cult was silently raging over for over a decade before they decided to emerge into the open.And, when they emerged into the open, they'd first announce that old school meant pre-3e, but secretly be using a pre-2e definition for more than another decade without telling anyone, before finally revealing that "Ha Ha, the OSR had actually been pre-2e all along!", as long as you just ignored all the evidence and statements and basic logic that clearly contradict that. 1e and 2e (and b/x and so on) being so closely compatible is something well understood to just about everyone in the OSR community, but the fact that they're not absolutely identical is apparently enough room for a worm like him to wriggle about.
>>98070178>fish>fishI'm curious, why call him just "fish" instead of fishfag?
>>98070409>He starts with "2e is not OSR"You didn't even read the post: It doesn't say anything about whether 2e is OSR or not. In fact, the word "OSR" doesn't appear in the post at all.>>98069298
>>98070439There's no real point to engaging, you know he's a hopeless schizo. Just look how he's trying to pretend that the OSR must have been a secret cult in hiding for a decade to be 1e-focused. Just a plain absurdity, but it's the best he can think of to defend his crackpot Redditism.
>>98070424Probably a bit of keepign it clear both sides are retarded and some variety by mood and how obnoxious he's been recently. Sometimes fishfag or fishnigger works. Like when he's calling people worms or creeps or lolcows like >>98070409its more of a fishfag moment. When there's 3 short acks posts in a row its them being acksniggers but I suspect fish's pol leaning prevent him from typing nigger much.
>>98070127Why make content for a game when TSR already made all the content you could for it back in the 90s? On top of the fact you can still run the game in any third party module compatible with 1e (which is basically every OSR module)
>>98070561I think it's incredibly weird he's asking for 2e-specific modules, as if something like that would exist when any OSR module that could be run in 2e could also be run in 1e, making it not 2e-specific by default.
>>98070584NTA, but I think this is the same guy who claimed 2e is not mechanically comparable with 1e. Which is an insane take
>>98070595There's really not that many of the trolls, and he already posted one of his "it's definitely me" images.
>>98070596There are between 4 and 6 based off timezones and posting patterns and styles. With the time being what is is, pretty sure he is who I numbered 3
>>98070584>>98070561eeeh I can see where they're coming from with this part. There wasn't technically any need to make much 1st ed osr modules either but there's a lot of them. Some of that will be because there's a lot of 1st ed material and its compatible enough, some of that will be because of timing the retroclone releases but some of it is also the style of modules and boxes made for 2nd ed (and a good amount of 1st too) are much more railroad story focused as is most of the conversation I see about 2nd ed games when talking with people. We can get into optional rules and if its osr or not or whatever, but there is a notable difference between things like B2 and DS1 in terms of design goals that are more than just time and practice. They were trying to do fairly different things.
>>98070619Considering just how duplicitous they are, I ultimately wouldn't be surprised if there's only 1-3 "main" trolls. They're always doing their best to appear as if there's more of them than there actually are, so just based on how much of their lives they're willing to dedicate to deceiving people, it's fair to assume there's going to be less than you might otherwise suspect.Honestly, any distinctions in their posts have always seemed largely superficial. Whether that just what being bland and stupid naturally results in or whether its a side-effect of their echo chamber, it's hard to pin any personality on them other than "retarded troll who talks like a dusty dried-up cunt when he's not trolling."
>>98070484You're overfixating on something unrelated. The post wasn't about that at all, it was about the health of the AD&D 2e scene with respect to other TSR editions.
>>98070683There are at lest three, I think it's a minimum of 4 because of the 24 hour posting and the pattern not the posts.
>>98070584Compatibility is utterly irrelevant to the discussion: The fact that all popular modules are branded for OD&D, B/X, and AD&D 1e but never for AD&D 2e (through their respective retroclones) IS a measure of popularity of AD&D 2e with respect to other TSR editions.
>>98070683>Considering just how duplicitous they are, I ultimately wouldn't be surprised if there's only 1-3 "main" trolls.This is so obviously applicable to both of your sides its not even funny.
>>98070595Again, the fact that you can use 1e modules with 2e has nothing to do with the discussion.The question is about the popularity of 2e with respect to 1e, B/X, and OD&D. If 2e were anywhere as popular as those editions, there would be a shitton of modules "branded" as being for 2e (through FG&G).The fact that practically none of the most popular post-2000s modules are branded as being for 2e is telling.Khosura, Xyntillan, Barrowmaze, Archaia, Highfell, Dwarrowdeep, Arden Vul, Carcosa, Gunderholfen, Rappan Athuk, Stonehell, Ynn, Stygian Library, Dwimmermount, a dozen Necrotic Gnome ones, Illmire, Veins of the Earth, Anomalous Subsurface Environment...
>>98070746>This is so obviously applicable to both of your sides its not even funny.You're slowly getting there. I'm positively surprised.
>>98070774You guys miss the point of 2e and the issue with clones has been pointed out.you ignore it.People who play 2e do not buy clones, there is no need. They use whatever OSR stuff they want. It's mechanically the same system as 1e. You guys don't understand the market or 2e players at all.
>>98070782No, explicitly write out your conspiracy theory or forever be vague posting about shit you know deep down is nonsense that's why you can't post it.
>>98070746You really need to stop listening to the trolls. I'm always surprised by anyone being dumb enough to do so, but maybe that comes from being able to see the other posters much clearer from this side of things.The trolls put a ton of effort into declaring all conversations in these threads are just one person samefagging, just like they put into all their other propaganda. Even knowing that they're lying but allowing your opining to be shifted by them even just a little is why they go so far in being so hyperbolic with their lies.
>>98070796>You guys don't understand the market or 2e players at all.They might. But there's probably a steep difference between what they understand and what they say.
>>98070774>>98070796This is the missing part. Basically team 2e maintains there are 2e players but there isn't much evidence of it because there doesn't need to be, they'll just keep discussing 1e and 2e interchangeably and no one will notice. Team ACKS is wanting specific evidence that such people exist and can find none. They might not be looking in the right places, or it might not be a thing, hard to say. Now, realistically those in favour of 2e should be able to find insistence of /osrg/ in the archive where anons are discussing conversions or saying they're running 2e, or other forums. This also doesn't seem to be much of the case but may be. I think its more about the clear design distinctions between what 2e players want and what most osr modules are aimed at, although realistically there, given the proliferation of shovelware and modules far from bryce's ideal model (lol) there would be lots for linear sotry path sort of gameplay to pick from in the "OSR" section of drive thru. The >mechanical AND tonal fidelity part is a distinction that hasn't really been resolved. The majority of 2e material is quite tonally distinct, the mechanical part is an argument about how optional "Optional" means and how that impacts gameplay. I notice that entire section where fish, in this case nigger, ignored the optional rules page clarifications, has been forgotten by both sides. Its a good bit.
>>98070872Man, fuck the fuck off. You're asking for evidence so easily found that it's wild that you want people to bring you what you could easily find yourself.You're basically placing yourself as a man knee-deep in water demanding proof that there's been a flood. You're doing nothing but say you're a waste of time and pure bad faith through-and-through, happily denying and twisting any evidence people will bring you.You want people to argue with you as if you're arguing in good faith? You have miles to run to convince people you're not just a retarded troll, and you're not going very far by starting off with "I've ignored all the evidence of 2e players not just existing but the game being relatively popular already posted in this thread, and declare that none can be found. Keep trying to convince me otherwise."
>>98070862Yeah, they are just trolling. Arguing just to argue
All I’m saying is, new content for, or a clone of 2e is just redundant, 2e is there, it’s books are very usable, there’s an ungodly amount of optional content for it that you can use to make 2e whatever you want. You want it to be bare bones OSR? Go a head. You want it to be proto 3e buildfaggotry? Go for it. It’s really whatever you make of it. Which makes it kind of pointless to make new content specifically for it.
>>98070903Go find it then. Bring some back for class. While you're at it, look at Barbarian Conquerors if you want to makes ACKfags mad. Its got fate points and story xp.
>>98068244ACKS fags aren't beating the accusations, anon.
>>98070940I was the one in the green but non of those linked comments were mine.
>>98070829I can guarantee it's just a troll.There's no way someone can be that stupid. Throw in the trolls being pathological liars, and there's no reason to extend the benefit of the doubt.
>>98070959Its cute you can't tell if this is 2e or acks coded, its the same posturing with no ability to explain and follow through.
>>98070929>>I’m saying is, new content for, or a clone of 2e is just redundant, 2e is there, it’s books are very usable, there’s an ungodly amount of optional content for it that you can use to make 2e whatever you want.This. There is so much 2e content and so fucking much OSR content and then the shit ton of fan made setting content. Hell I saw a poster talking about running 0e with the 2e DMG. Folks mix and match what they want
>>98070872>n-n-n-no, there are really thuper tons of 2e players, they're just... invisible! Yeah, that's it, invisible!L M A O
>>98070968There's only one group of trolls. They've even laid out that whenever they're being particularly trolly, they claim all they're doing is trolling their imaginary nemesis. The people who recognize 2e is OSR don't need to flood or otherwise troll. The most they've done is, due to a lack of coordination/organization/communication and generally only being unified by a general recognition of some pretty obvious and independantly-verifiable facts, kinda keep making too many threads, but that's also partly the trolls fault for flooding them and making the people try to get a fresher start.
>>98071053>The people who recognize 2e is OSRLel, it's literally just you, and there's nothing to "recognize"; 2e simply is not and never has been OSR. It's literally just a schizo fantasy of yours that it would be, and that's why people can recognize you consistently.
>>98071102>Lel, it's literally just you,I agree with him.
>>98071102>Hyperbolic troll declares that only one person recognizes 2e is OSR, and with Matt Finch having recognized 2e is OSR, that means the troll believes he's arguing only against Matt Finch.
>>98071102>> No it's the vast majority of the OSR community. It always has been.
>>98070796>People who play 2e
>>98070829lolThe only bad faith posts are fishfag's ones, for example all the lies about /osrg/
>>98070829>If somebody proves you wrong, stick your fingers in your ears and yell "Lalala I can't hear what you're saying you're a troll!!!"
I am starting to agree those memes are "I lose" flags. They come out when there is no argument left
>>98070829Reminder: This is thread for nevergame retards who talk about dating sims and the real OSR is here:>>98041565>>98041565>>98041565
>>98070872>they'll just keep discussing 1e and 2e interchangeablyIf they were interchangeable, 50% of the dedicated forums would be about 2e (there's none), 50% of the retroclones would be of 2e (there's only one and it sells like shit), and 50% of the most popular modules would be for 2e (none of them are).So the're not interchangeable: Practically nobody plays 2e or publishes for it. 2e is the most unpopular of all D&D editions, by A LOT.
>>98070929>new content for, or a clone of 2e is just redundant, 2e is there,So Khosura, Xyntillan, Barrowmaze, Archaia, Highfell, Dwarrowdeep, Arden Vul, Carcosa, Gunderholfen, Rappan Athuk, Stonehell, Ynn, Stygian Library, Dwimmermount, a dozen Necrotic Gnome ones, Illmire, Veins of the Earth, Anomalous Subsurface Environment are all "redundant" because of the very excellent modules that have been published for 2e in the 1990s.LMAO you're full of shit.There's no adventures or modules for 2e since 3e was published because there's zero reasons to play 2e at this point.Get over it.
>>98070998>There is so much 2e contentAll published by TSR in the 1990s, zero published by fans since 3e came out. Because practically everybody who plays moved to 3e.2e is a rotting corpse.
>>98071144The wild thing is that they then try to claim they're not trolls, when all they seem to be able to do is troll.
>>98071053>The people who recognize 2e is OSRAgain with that question? Why are you so fixated on it? Nobody cares, it's just a matter of definitons.What matters is that 2e is dead. Nobody plays it. Nobody publishes retroclones for it. Nobody publishes adventures for it.Dead.
>>98071118>>98071126>>98071127Kek, the absolute state of assmad samefaggotry
>>98071053>>98071118Obvious samefishfag is obvious.
>>980712052e is not dead, it's pining for the fjords!ROTFL O LMAO
>>98071181I’m literally running a 2e game with some of those in there
>>98071118>I like the way Snrub thinks!>>98071144>I'm starting to agree with this schizo's insane copium! It makes a lot of sense!
>>98071195I wonder if these trolls even game. Ya know they were confused as to why someone might have 3 PHBs.
>>98071230What setting if any are you using? What are your players playing?
>>98071233They might just be poorfags.I doubt shilling pays very well, and trolling doesn't pay anything at all.
>>98071230>I’m literally running a 2e game with some of those in there
>>98071244I mean, I am poor but I would know why you would want more than one PHB. Very obvious to anyone who has actually played a in person game.
>>98071240>What setting if any are you using?The Auran Empire, by Alexander Macris. Fantastic setting, highly recommended.
>>98071257I shall pass
>>98071246LMAOEXACTLY
>>98071240Daggerdale some time after the civil war ends. There’s a fighter, fighter/thief, cleric, and mage. I put Archaia in the dagger hills
>>98071258>I shall passYou passed already, 26 years ago. You're an ex 2e player, you just don't know it yet.
>>98071230>I’m literally running a 2e gameNo you're not.
>>98071262Daggerdale is a nice spot. Always had a soft spot for the dale lands. That seems like a good party mix, lots of magic to go around.
is there a better version of appendix a you guys use for generating dungeon layouts? appendix a was fine enough for a quickie goblin lair in a hole in the ground but i feel like the starting rooms are pretty limiting and what often gets generated is long hallways circling your graph paper with a handful of rooms. perhaps i'm holding it wrong.>>98066369i'm gonna be so fr with you man i've been here since january because i started playing a caverns of thracia game and it is genuinely impossible to tell who's trolling who anymore. one thread i get recommended to try ACKS for certain things i don't have explicit rules for in the dmg, another thread i have people calling me a retarded shill when i mention using a table from there. one thread i see an antisocial sperg samefagging his balls off get called fishfag, next thread i'm called fishfag for calling him an antisocial sperg. one thread i mention into the odd or some preteniöus game and people don't mind it, another thread you might as well have alerted the horde. i post a game log and have a handful of people tell me it sounds fun in one thread, next thread it's someone calling me fishfag saying i'm astroturfing because i let one of my players invest in something. the trolling campaign has unironically worked and it is impossible to make sense of anything other than people here want you to play games and there's a handful of actual windowlickers who get really mad at you playing them.>inb4 two or three replies of someone going "well actually the REAL osr general was always...">>98066347surprised with all the baldur's gate and icewind dale that nobody mentions the ultima games. ultima 4 seems like most peoples' dream game here.
>>98071432NTAYRT>is there a better version of appendix a Are you unironically asking this on the nogames troll thread? Seriously? Real questions about playing go in the real /osrg/ thread.>i've been here since januaryThat's the thing. There's been a war for a couple of years on /tg/, since a specific autist, yes, ONE specific one, started to troll /osrg/ specifically to try to force discussion of 2e on the whole general, every single day multiple times a day.This same literal autist also started throwing insane tantrums any time ACKS was mentioned for any reason anywhere in /tg/. I'm talking within 10 minutes of ACKS being mentioned anywhere on the board.One /osrg/ put two and two together and realised it was (is) the same autist trolling /osrg/ continuously and shitting up threads with any mentions of ACKS, we started mocking him and reporting him. His trolling only intensified after getting identified, but since it was wholly ineffective because he was getting BTFO'd even by the mods and jannies when he crossed certain lines, he started trying to raise an army to throw at /osrg/, by going to all related generals and threads and making shit up.Eventually /osrg/ has started retaliating hard against this asshole.Fishfag is desperately trying to make his nickname go away, and to do that he's been resorting to all kinds of trolling and autism, from false flagging to autistically scouting years of posts in the archives to find individual posts that can be misinterpreted as confirming his theories.Of course the Anons at /osrg/ are so exasperated that occasionally they call other Anons "Fishfag". This being an anonymous website, of course there's going to be false positives. Particularly if you're native enough to gobble up fishfag's bullshit and parrot it.The war will continue until fishfag leaves the board, dies, or the mods decide to take a harder stance against him instead of tolerating him.
>>98072902>I'm talking within 10 minutes of ACKS being mentioned anywhere on the board.The implication being that he was constantly checking the archives for mentions of ACKS to go ass raving mad about. Just like recently he's been spending god knows how many hours and days in the archives looking for individual posts to justify his schizo theories.
>>98072360From the "Open OSR thread":>The open thread closed, so I remade this one. The other one exists to fuck with the osrg trolls.I assumed that the OP of the other thread was trying in good faith to get a truce with /osrg/. Clearly I was wrong, he's in favour of trolling /osrg/, and that thread is meant as an attack on /osrg/ exactly as much as this one is.Everyone draw his conclusions from this.
>>98066554yeah, if I could make my own infinity engine game, it would have larger more complex dungeons than BG1, but with the open-ended exploration that bg1 hadI loved running into other parties of adventurers, wildwest style
