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>>98099235I miss schizo cyoas like this
>>98099198New update
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>>98099285Who is the author?
>>98099328The real author is the friends we made along the way.
https://stopeatingbugs.neocities.org/cueball/Korean Homestuck cyoa. Thoughts?
>>98099328Friendlydrop I guess
>>98099344Incomprehensible, and not because of the language.
>>98099344I can't read chinese
>>98099285Uh oh, don't let tok see those letterboxed images
>>98099344How did Homestuck develop a Korean fandom?
>>98099344I thought the age of homestuck had long past. I would rather it was something in the past.
https://imgchest.com/p/5xy2m5wqn7lBirdwood https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98057049/#98062545Orion Hegemony https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98057049/#98060431Dragon Empire https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98063161/#98067032Primal Forest https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98077384/#98077636Lethedon Empire https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98084154/#98086306The Hive https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98084154/#98086554
Speaking of homestuck, ultimate god when?
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Genuinely was is homestuck even about? I hear it referenced so many times yet I still have no clue about what it is
>>98099302savestate is such an enigmatic author. He/She makes some of the most creative and elaborate powers and settings, yet its always missing that "something" that makes it feel incomplete.
>>98099419Genuinely Don't tell meI have seen homestuck mentioned so many times and made an intentional point of not learning any more about it then I need to
>>98099419I don't remember, I just remember that I looked into it at the time, found it uninteresting and/or unpleasant, and the fanbase was quite annoying. I think the fans referenced time travel a lot though. It was however well known for having annoying pushy fans.
>>98099419It's a forum game where the audience comes up with suggestions on what the characters should do next.The author was known for some wacky earlier games, where the character's dialogue is described, rather than written outright, random video-gamey mechanics are introduced all the time, and half the fun is trolling the players.The story is about kids that are stuck at home and play a videogame that transports them to a gameworld while their own world is destroyed. Even before the game is started, the universe follows videogame rules like inventory slots and levels and you don't question it because it's a genre convention, but then the game keeps introducing new creative game mechanics, like SIMS editing each other's houses to create towers to ascend on, and using household items to give shapes and abilities to the NPCs.It breaks the tradition of earlier forum games by giving the characters actual dialogue. They have these long chatlogs with naturalistic dialogue that actually make it a kinda character-driven story. It attracted shippers and the popularity skyrocketed as a result.
>>98099419A bunch of kids play a video game that affects the real world. Shenanigans ensue.
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>>98099302>cyoa no images>>98099432>another cyoa with no images> yet its always missing that "something" that makes it feel incomplete.What is this nebulous "something"? Alas, we may never know. It is a mystery.
>>98099643I like my reading with big colorful pictures too
My OC. I gave it as good a go as I can but Gimp feels weird to me.
>>98099682yey
>>98099682it bores me
OC. i was planning more but I just ran out of steam so I won't add to this I don't think.
>>98099682Nice.I haven't seen something like this in a whileBuild:Companions:RawlinsHalen>The two I am most likely to actually have fun with>Women are irrelevant when you are canonically marriedSelf:Peacemaker>Fits me the bestWhat's happening:Sewer horde>They are malnourished, meaning a regular man could go even with their more verocious and a fighting man will look herculean>We are going to be smashing skulls and stealing liquor until the sun rises and the freaks scurry back into the dark of their hovels
>>98099833>Pine>Cat
>>98099833Oak and Goat. I have no doubt I can maintain eternal perseverance in attaining omnipotence. Sleeping doesn't count as a break because I will plan while lucid dreaming.
>>98099833Elder, Bat. I am now a shaman.
>>98099882She wants to be corrected
>>98099506Direct audience-driven suggestions were only present for a very very small sliver of early Homestuck. Definitely less than 5% of the total runtime. Maybe even less than 1%The fandom did indirectly affect various things after this cutoff (perhaps most recently and significantly, June Egbert) but it stopped being a "forum game" long, long ago.
>>98099833>Ash, OctopusI will find other anons to study (peacefully).
>>98099833Why do people make this boring ass shit?
>>98099973Be quiet little gay faggot slave
>>98099833PineCrowI will become a wise old man, very, very slowlyThe total days in these years add up to 364Is there a special day or is this not modelling earth?
>>98099833>Holly>GoatTime to snowball my way into crushing all that gets in my goals (A future without worries mostly)
>>98099973Back to the faggot dungeon with you, slave.
Whats the best image editing software for making CYOAs? Im using Gimp rn.
>>98100008best is photoshop, but only if you have any artistic talent
>>98100028Im not paying 50€ a month bro
>>98100008The best editing software is free and easy to use, so MS Paint!
>>98100066Just pirate it, bro
>>98099643I have rawdogged most pdf cyoas including the entirety of Traveller's Tale (old and new versions). You think I give a shit about some pretty pictures? This is a reading hobby. Readlet niggers are not allowed.
>>98100079Where?
>>98099682Art Style 1: Splash image, Intro, Rawlings, Uncle Cafferty, Rachel, Little Lesley, Halen, Rose, Pilgrim, Peacemaker, Patriot, Small Blessings, Sewer Horde, The Dead Rise, Buzzkill AngelArtistic cohesion index is calculated by dividing the percentage using the most common style by the amount of art styles used, rounded down. The highest possible score is 100. The second highest is 49. Your CYOA used one art style for thirteen pictures, the most common one having 13. Its ACI is 100.
>>98099833Art Style 1: Pine, Birch, Rowan, Alder, Willow, Howthorn, Ash, Oak, Holly, Hazel, Apple, Elder, Yew, Fox, Deer, Wolf, Cat, Crow, Monkey, Hawk, Bear, Snake, Frog, Goat, Octopus, Bat Artistic cohesion index is calculated by dividing the percentage using the most common style by the amount of art styles used, rounded down. The highest possible score is 100. The second highest is 49. Your CYOA used one art style for twenty six pictures, the most common one having 26. Its ACI is 100.
>>98100096>perfect scoretokek could never
>>98099682>AI slopa artTrash>>98099833>RYOA with the lamest powersTrash
>>98100128>real life has one art style
>>98099410Homestuck has a few of those.
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>jean piss fartre mentioned in OPwe need a Yukio Mishima CYOA, fuck that nihilistic extinctionist jew piss fartre and his fucked up oogle eyes.
Someone post some actually good oc now?
>>98100216What's your beef with our resident Meta Frog Man?
>>98100227I can't post Spirit Conscript anymore...
>>98100228his philosophy equated to being approving of the situation that plays out in Camp of the Saints for one. For two his beliefs are soul and mind poison. For three he has an unfortunate and UGLY physiognomy which invalidates anything he's ever stated. For four, Yukio Mishima won thoughalbeit.
>>98100241I said oc you stupid fuck
>>98100241https://imgchest.com/p/na7konjjwy8For you, my king.
>>98100243>he has an unfortunate and UGLY physiognomy which invalidates anything he's ever statedtruly one of us
>>98100251speak for yourself I'm a fakecel. I just get involved here because I'm bored.
>>98100243>doesn't mention the pedophilia I guess that wouldn't be a problematic *matter*... for a *jeet*.
>>98100267that was point two, sir. It's good to know the resident thread Filipino cannot read english properly.
>>98100256Lets be honest physicsbro, you are a basement dwelling autistic boomer leaf who probably hasn't seen the light of the sun in months. You likely do not pain a faltering picture yourself.
I'm gonna sleep now, I better wake up to oc
>>98100227Gimme 12-16 hours anon.
>>98100286Good night, anon
>>98100248At a quick glance I think that giving an ACI for this would be a very long winded way of counting to zero. Every third pick seems to add a new style.
>>98100285shut up, jean piss fartre.
>>98100281"belief" implies his philosophy and literary corpus. His taste for underaged flesh is an entirely different can of worms and deserves to be mentioned separately. And no, I will not be reading your weebslop jap fanfiction.
>>98100138Look up Glenn Fabry
muh OC
>>98099682>Little LeslieA promise made is a promise kept>RoseA feminine figure (armed) to help with the kid, and maybe have some fun>PatriotAnything that taps me into the world spirit wins out>Buzzkill AngelFuck this guy, I'll be doing myself and The City a favorAwesome CYOA all around. I enjoyed Preacher (this art especially) but you did a great job adapting it to your purposes here, and you did it in a way that still takes advantage of the cobbled together superstition/sci-fi/western/90's vibe the comic had. I especially like your text boxes. Thanks a lot for OC! You are a good writer and I look forward to your next work
>>98100308belief is related to philosophy and his buddy Foucault literally tried doing pilpul and egalitarian nitpicking to explain how pedophilia would be legalized or normalized eventually by law or by rule of consensus. Please stop with your midwittery, it's embarrassing when a nophilosophy tries pretending to understand the topic.
can someone post a pokemon cyoa?
>>98100654This one was pretty good
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>>98100596I'm going after the Guinea Honey for the speed first. Then the Chimparakeet to cover more ground. And finally Penguale to spur the nation into glorious revolution!
>>98100660It was so good that he didn't even bother to post all of it.
>>98100882Wow I'm in the photo six times!
>>98099833>Hawthorn>Bearanother excellent OC. Unfortunately my autism prevents me from choosing a tree/animal combination in which the two are unrelated in the real world, so I have picked this one. Were I unafflicted I would probably pick Ash and Hawk. I love these but I wish people would get more in depth with them, like stick to one specific biome or region and dredge up some unusual animals/plants.
has the mythic lands guy released anything
>>9810089 Are u an author? I keep seeing your name.Furthermore I consider tok must be destroyed
>>98100088literally the most common options like piratebay for example? if you do pirate it, take care to install it carefully according to the instructions, photoshop is one of the rare programs that kind of fights back against piracy in semi-effectual ways but only if you fuck up the install
>>98100950yes, mythic lands
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>>98100008Heard that Photopea is a better alternative then GIMP, but it's online only.
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>>98100950Yes? He made quite a few things. The latest one was the danmachi update I think.
Page 1 complete.The combat explanation takes up a third of the page, but I didn't want to give players choices before they knew how to play the game.Next up, all the classes go on a page, then weapons, spells, ashes, etc get their own page.
>>98101590Will there be boss music?
>>98099833>13 year calendar>13 month calendarWhat does that mean?Am I retarded for not knowing? or is it the CYOAs fault for not explaining where this is coming from?
>>98100882I'm not represented here because I don't do anything.
>>98101637I am still on the fence with that. There's definitely music that I prefer for certain bosses, but my tastes are shit, as youtube can attest.
>>98101431>The latest one was the danmachi update
>>98101670Nta, but I appreciate both your hard work and your hesitancy in introducing audio.
>>98099833Ash and CrowI just think they're neat
>>98101689It would be a mix of anime and video game soundtracks. And not good anime or video games. The lightning boss girl would get that one song from Kill la Kill.
>>98100138>Retard has never read preacher>>98099682Nice, I like Garth Ennis, too.
>>98100243This image is made by someone who's never read the Ice and Fire series and it shows
>>98101645Anon you have autism
>>98101645>The calendar follow[s] a 13-year cycle associated with the sacred trees. The cycle goes in the following order form start to finish before repeating...> A year contains 13 months, all of which are 28 days long, so four weeks with seven days each. The 13 months are named and associated with different sacred animals, ordered as follows...
>>98101645What are you looking for? It's worldbuilding. There's no special meaning, other than to imply everyone has these powers and we live in a pagan world of astrology.
>>98101704I recant my statement and urge you to reconsider your hesitancy, your excellency.
>>98101796>What are you looking for?Where are the guilds?
>>98101896fugitivewealth and enchantmentdragongolemgroundhog's stopwatchdungeon dungeonmagic lockdungeoneering (arrow trap, pit trap, shadows)alien technology
>>98099285>StartLunacy IBond INightwake>PerksLunacy IITracking IEmpathy IInvigorated IRegeneration IInvigorated IIChasingInvigorated IIISprintHybrid FormRageThick Hide>HostSelf-Denying Basket Case>DevelopmentsMiracle CureWorldly SuccessWeb of Lies Talk Yourself out of ItForm PackStart an Occult Religion>True BecomingMorphing BeastFluid FormTall IIngenuity IDarwin's therapist says I am a persona he calls upon when life gets to difficult for him.She couldn't be more wrong. I come out whenever I please. I merely need to affect his state of mind, which is second nature to me, and we swap.She has finally indulged me, and let me call forth her own shadow self. I doubt she believes any of it, she has some fondness for the boy I reckon, and believes this exercise could help him.If that's the vector for her new induction into my family, that's fine.
do any of you guys compost? What do you think about it? This is CYOA related I vow
>>98101744yeah my favorite part was when blobular boomer mick dedicated two pages to describing his female mulatto empowered knight shitting from dysentery. Or the multiple pages of schadenfreudic suffering and revenge porn.
>>98102057There's a compost bin at my parents house but I've since moved outI would use it a fair amount because I like fruitI can't think of many ways this would be related to cyoa's, other then zombie/island survival
>>98102065You're proving my point for me. You're vomiting out what other retards have told you the story is about.
>>98101590holy italics slop I'm not reading all that shit
>>98102130You are being ragebaited my man
>>98102162Yeah yeah, he's only pretending to be retardedI like that you can tell when the cyoa was made because of the description on Targaryen Blood. Because at present there's atleast 3 people with Targaryen blood
>>98101590>"oh im glad the pc from Demon souls also gets to be in, thats cu-">"wait is that fucking Wolf?"
>>98101590The HYPE! is real!Can't wait!>>98100243Anyone got the cyoa from /tv/?>>98102162Birth: Kingdom of the ValeProfession: The Blade & The QuillGifts: Animal Companion & Touched by MagicCompanions: Tarrina Gargalen & Corton PenroseMinor Lord turned mercenary after refusing to join the Order of Maesters despite his love for knowledge and learning. It was actually this love that lead him away from home to ever see what was over the next horizon.My chances, bros?
>>98102457Very side-character energyYou don't need to refuse to join the maesters, they generally understand that nobles don't actually want to join an order of glorified teachers (plus, it's less chance of getting someone who could uncover their secrets and they gotta get rid of you)You'd sail to Essos and join up with a merc company, most likely the Golden Company because it's got the most westerosi in there. The quill will not help you here unless you can impress one of the wealthy in essos with your knowledge of logistics, medicine etc.(unlikely, because they have guys whove been doing it longer and better.)If you picked Master of Coin I could see you becoming a cool ass sea captain noble, and make your house rich as hell from your contacts in Essos. You still probably could with this build, but to a lesser degree.
>>98102497>>98102457If you wanna focus on "touched by magic", you could forge a valyrian steel ring with the resident Magic Expert of the maesters and go with him on a journey to Essos to learn more about it- making you the second foremost expert on magic in Westeros.
>>98101590>Massive images than unneccessarily extend the page number>Ugly wall of text. bro, we are playing cyoas not reading fucking cyoa books>Not graphically consistent>Frenzied flame fagNot lookin good boss
>>98101590I think most of it looks fine, although that much text will probably be a hurdlePerhaps you should split the rules into a few pieces and then give some basic choices relating to said rules, both breaking up the wall of text and making comprehension a little easier (Because it includes some amount of application in seeing an example)
>>98102497higher education, coin and ruling family could see you being a big money dude. That gives you big kingmaker powers.
What's the current list of active authors?
>>98101590Will there be Nightreign content? I'm not familiar with the lore of the games, but the aesthetic was cool, and if I understood correctly it's an alternative timeline.
anyone remembers the name of that one CYOA where you had to bind yourself to magical weapons (girls) in the service of some space princess?
>>98102554I agree!
>>98101590>Sneak Peek of Elden Ring CYOAGood, I hate WIPs, but sneak peeks are fine>Mixed artDisappointing, but not unexpected since the class images were the in-game 3D models, and I did not expect the entire CYOA to be made out of 3D art.>Terrible image-to-text rationThis is a real punch to the balls, VERY disappointing>"The combat explanation takes up a third of the page, but I didn't want to give players choices before they knew how to play the game."Combat is combat, what is there to explain?! No, wait, you are going for a gameified combat experience that is more faithful to the game play mechanics rather than a realistic combat approach. Big mistake, take it from me, the reason Magic: The Awakening was so disliked was because I did that exact thing. I'm telling you, anon, don't do it. Don't do it. I like Elden Ring, and I don't want your CYOA to flop.
>>98099682>FriendsUncle CaffertyLittle Leslie>What kind of man are you?Patriot>What the hell is happening tonight?Buzzkill AngelDue to my patriotic sense of duty, I let Buzzkill Angel destroy every last bar in the city. The city needs some less drinking and more temperance.Meanwhile, I hang around with Uncle Cafferty so he won't evict me, and Little Leslie because apparently I promised her dad that I'd take care of her, what kind of man would I be to go back on a promise?
Aromage, plz, I just to play want Ultimate God again...it's been years....
Rolled 13, 4 = 17 (2d13)>>98099833Is it supposed to be a fantasy setting, or an alternate calendar for the real life (You) which retroactively aligns to whatever time you were born?
>>98102162Kingdom of the Reach (Ruling House)The Coin (Higher Education) + The QuillGrace and BeautyChainsI'll put my money where my mouth is. Grow up as the banker prince of the big breadbasket to ensure my family gets properly paid for their wares. Get kidnapped by (insert circumstance here) and sold to Essos, where I start out as a lowly battle slave. However, my education lets me do a lot of things the other men can't and I end up becoming a storemaster for the unit. This allows me to catch a wealthy slaveowner's eye and I become his a house slave and get his house finances in order.. Eventually I manage to maneuver myself into being sent back to Westeros where I make contact with House Tyrell forces who immediately recover me (of course since the old dude treated me pretty decently, he doesn't get chopped up).
>>98102557How active is active?
>>98101590Is this going to be playable / enjoyable for someone who doesn't know anything about elden scrolls 6: the rings of power?
>>98102557Tok is our only truly active author who graces us with his eternal prescence routinely, we truly do not deserve him
>>98102591>>98102591That's a pretty cool story.It's difficult for your ass to get kidnapped because you live in the most populated region and are a major noble, but I can see some rivals trying to dispose of you.I notice you didn't take any companions, maybe they can help you get your revenge or spring you faster.Here's hoping the fat fuck you catch the eye of doesn't just chop your balls off and make you a very expensive slave.Hell, you've got grace and beauty, if you can do a good job convincing him you could land trade contracts with him with your house.
>>98101590My only experience with soulsloppa is the first half of Dark Souls 1. How much difficulty will I face trying to understand this CYOA?
>>98102585I'll go with the fantasy setting interpretation.>Year of the YewI can get saved by miraculous luck once per year.>Month of the CatStealth.This obviously points me towards being a THIEF, a burglar of the mansions of the rich.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgsEnRBx0w
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>>98102620Accidental Magical Girl (the pdf version) put all the lore info as a huge block of text at the very end. IMO that worked really well. It makes sense - you make choices, and making these choices invests you in the world, so by the time you're done making choices you're inclined to read more about the world. I wonder why it isn't done more often.
>>98102620I thought the one on the right was a satirical for a moment
>>98102631ngl I skipped those pages
>>98102591>I start out as a lowly battle slave>is a very important noble>has Grace and BeautyOh my sweet summer child. It's far more likely that you would be a different kind of slave.
>>98099915That's the sort of detail you leave out of a surface-level explanation. It still pretends to be a forum game, with fake player commands.
>>98102557I'd so sick of this "author" business.EVERYONE is an author. Don't believe me? Try making something. You'll find that you succeed.
>>98102744I think his cyoa will be dogshit, and I won't play it.
Rolled 44, 50, 10, 34, 16 = 154 (5d70)>>98102162(<die 1> %% 10) + 1 = kingdom(<die 2> %% 7) + 1 = profession(<die 3> %% 7) + 1 = gift(<die 4> %% 7) + 1 = companion(<die 5> %% 7) + 1 = curseI'll distribute the blessings manually after the rolls.
>>98101590I really dont think I'l enjoy this cyoa, an ER cyoa set in the events of the frenzied flame? I just can't see myself enjoying that. I think I would have been more excited if this was just an ER alternate universe CYOA set at the beginning of ER but with choices to be characters from past games, or completely different games altogether
>>98102744>Try making something. You'll find that you succeed.And yet, most anons who tried to make a CYOA failed even to complete it. Hell, we even have enough WIPs like Holdfast, Tomefu, Entropist's Conquest CYOA, and the like to make a massive graveyard of unfinished CYOA.
>>98102760I like the sound of that, bringing in my character from armored core to pave the path to the stars for my beloved doll wife Ranni. Yeah, that's all I want
>>98102002hmm, I would choose to be some kind of wizard to assault your dungeon. Stay far away from the dragons and just grab whatever I can dispel before slipping away each time.
>>98102765Infinity Blade anon... You were so joyful... I really thought you of all authors would have made it
>>98102757>kingdom5 - iron islands>profession2 - the hammerBLESSING: extra profession - the bladeBLESSING: higher education (the blade)>gift4 - animal companionBLESSING: extra gift: giant's bloodBLESSING: extra gift: valar morghulis>companion7 - tarrina gargalen (female Dornish mercenary)>curse3 - chainsI'm born as a minor (yet formidably bodied) noble on Iron Islands where I'm taught to do killing, and to forge weapons to do killing.While growing up, I tell each person I know a different password by which they can recognize me. They are not to tell this password to anyone else.I get kidnapped to Slavers' Bay and enslaved at age 7. With my skills and huge body, it should go ok.When the opportunity to escape comes, I use up the Faceless Men's favors to escape safely.My animal companion is a sea snake with a poison I can extract and use, and perhaps gift/sell/exchange to murderers-to-be for favors. There aren't many useful marine/amphibious animals, but a snake might give me poison.When I return to Iron Islands, I am much older, but by knowing the passwords I can be easily recognized as the noble I was.When I reach adulthood, I turn to killing and slaving myself.
>>98102838As much as I hate the iron islandersYou would def be kingsmoot material
>>98102620>Finally... a choice.And it's a pokemon tier "Are you a boy or a girl" choice
>>98102744EVERYONE is a catfag. Don't believe me? Try posting a kot. You'll find that you posted a kot.
>>98102863big if true
>>98102863I'm more of a dog person, cats are for le redditors with toxoplasmosis induced faggotory
>>98102905>I'm more of a dog personfurry
>>98102513>>98102497>Very side-character energyNgl, I'm pretty happy with that. Let the protags be protags. I just wanna go do my own thing.So I'll probably learn about magic with the Maesters, History and Geography. Perhaps Merc my way through Essos until I end up in Asshai by the Shadows and gaze upon the seas of Ghost Grass.Perhaps this is what Corton wants of me. Perhaps he'll be arguing against it every step of the way.But once I read of this place I have been drawn there.>>98102838Naisu BuilderuIt seems like your blessings are more to negate your rolls than to enhance them tho.>>98102591Naisu BuilderuThough I fear this anon may be correct, >>98102661
>>98102162Here's my Targaryen buildI'm probably a Targaryen birthed by a Dayne, some secret marriage taking place >House: DoneDayne. Minor enough, and while the crown suspects I'm somewhere in dorne, nobody in their right minds are gonna suffer the desert to find out.>Gifts: Targ Blood, Touched By Magic, Animal companion, Grace and BeautyThe requisite for getting a flying nuke, who could believe it would be so easy?The ancient blood magic of the Valyrians boils in my veins and I get tormented by dreams of what atrocities my ancestors committed to get the thousands of dragons that blotted out the sky back in Old Valyria.I'm a handsome fucker too, as all Daynes are (except you darkstar, nobody likes you)>Profession: Quill, BladeBlade is a kind of a requirement if I'm gonna be in the Sword House, but it doesn't really matter.>Drawbacks; Wanted, Without a houseOkay so the crown finally finds me on my 18th birthday, and burns my family castle down. I'm away flying my fully grown dragon, but I come back and show them some flames myself.Most or if not all of my house is gone,, I either go to House Martell and broker a deal where they give me the soldiers and logistics I need for an invasion after the war of the five kings, or I fly straight to Danerys and help her nurture her dragons.The Martell route gets me straight to the throne, presumably I have to marry Arianne Martell and let Dorne have it's independence (not a deal breaker), but it is a hell of a lot bloodier and I have to do a lot of work personally.The danerys route is the more easy, long term route but it leaves my House in the wind for years, has Dorne attacked by all the other kingdoms, and leaves us without a staging ground for our invasion. But, we can find and hatch any other dragon eggs we find.
>>98102952>a handsome fucker too>as all Daynes are>except you darkstar>darkstar>picrelidk, anon. I'd fuck him.Naisu Builderu btw. Don't usually care for OP snowflake builds but this is just the right amount of each with some originality thrown in.
>>98102952Oh shit forgot my companionsEither>Corton PenroseHelping me smooth over the transition back to a Targ rule with his knowledge of westerosi politics, and helping me manage my Targ magic madness. Probably came to me right after my House is destroyed and said he had a vision of me.Or>Tarrina GargalenA paramour that I picked up on my first campaign. She intrigued me because she came up to me and criticized my dragon riding to my face. A madder Targ would have had her cooked alive but I find her critique lands true. What is a dragon if not a larger, more dangerous cavalry charge? We grow close as she helps translate cavalry tactics to a single dragon, and we become lovers. Probably much to the chagrin of my wife.>Obara could teach you that!>Yes, but I find her instruction..dreary. Tarrinna is a far better tutor.
>>98102969Thank you!Darkstar is a emo bitch in the books, and I don't really like him.>I am the Darkstar, and I am of the nightThen proceeds to not be able to kill a teenage girl and flees.He could probably charm some peasant girls with his noble aura but I can garuantee if he came up to other noble guys he'd work himself up into a rage because they keep complimenting his better, superior older brother.
>>98102969I also have a Reach build but it's more wish fulfillment than anything else>Reach: Tyrell (ruling house)>Grace and beauty>Quill/Coin and Higher Blade>Ashara HewettIt's me. I'm the guy she was gonna marry. I disguise myself as a wandering knight and ask to travel with her when I find her.We travel the seven kingdoms getting into adventures and getting closer, finally marrying each other. I would place this some time before the Third Blackfyre rebellion so it's a lot more comfy and we can make a name for ourselves in the rebellions and gain more wealth and prestige.
>>98102617It was a fantasy setting, i originally had four races (no humans) planned and classes and stuff but it felt a bit stale. Although now that i think about it it's starting to inspire me again so maybe ill give it another go. The biggest problem i had was that it was impossible to find good images that represented my world. I painted some myself but they didnt fit with the realistic images i already had and i wanted to do a cyoa not spend 50 hours painting hundreds of images. Maybe I can try using AI to make images that look more like I want though.
>>98103049What do spirits and supernatural creatures do?
>>98102553I like that idea, though the diagetic explanation of 'here's a note' will have to go. Perhaps put it as an extra page to review? That's probably best.>>98102602It's franchise slop. It'll be hype for those that love the franchise, it will get others into the franchise, and it will put off others who don't care for it. I have to cut a line between reviewing old information for those in the know, and pushing new info for those not. Luckily it's in keeping with the universe to keep things... obscure. >>98102573>Combat is combat, what is there to explain?! No, wait, you are going for a gameified combat experience that is more faithful to the game play mechanics rather than a realistic combat approach. Big mistake, take it from me, the reason Magic: The Awakening was so disliked was because I did that exact thing. I'm telling you, anon, don't do it. Don't do it. I like Elden Ring, and I don't want your CYOA to flop.I am sorry, my elder. I must try. /\
>>98103104Not listening to t*k is a wise choice
>>98103096smoke weed, eat pizza, play xbox and stroke their peepee until goo shoots out
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>>98103143>smoke weedI don't partake>eat pizzararely get the opportunity to do so nowadays unfortunately>play xboxI do this>stroke their peepee until goo shoots outI do this every few days or so
I tried playing an Aro cyoa but I could feel my brain turning into mush.
>>98102620>nooooo the author created a defined world! waaaaa!thats a silly complaint. The issue with italics isnt "he writes too much lore", its that he delivers the lore without any art or finesse.
>you’re being rage baitedYou say this when you’re confronted with an individual brighter than yourself and it blinds you
>>98103309You're tired of insulting Rake, not enough engagement, so you're moving on to Aromage now. Am I right?
>>98103324>he delivers the lore without any art or finesse.This is also what I believe and the intent behind the edit, SDA incorporated the lore in the choices so you discover them naturally, Italics forces you to read a book before playing
>>98103338I am serious. It feels like AI before AI. She types like a robot. The woke feminist elements make it even worse. It’s like something straight out of California.
>>98103330Are you saying the Jeet is intelligent and we’re just coping about it?
>>98103365That's my wife you're talking about. Shut your fucking mouth.
>>98103376Unironically yes
holy samefag
Do you guys prefer powers that have tiers like Worm?
No you can’t turn into a loli without blowing up France (and good riddance)
>>98103330>you’re confronted with an individual balder than yourself and it blinds you
>>98103402stop posting this gif
“b-but in this fiction it works differently and shapeshifters are totally real there”It’s a smaller simulated existence then. Cope.
>>98103424She wishes her tits were that big.
>>98103425
Erm, what's a matterjeet?
>>98103435https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AfAGE1r4Ew
>>98103435Nothing much, you?
>>98103463
Every single fictional reality, even if real, wouldn’t be on the same tier as our own, as it is a sub creation of our own reality. Otherwise the author isn’t really even the author at all, and is really some sort of mystic channeling an entirely different reality on to paper.
>>98103517>channeling a better existence that I will never be a part ofI’d kms
>>98103517but it's possible we might be metaphysical beings like souls that are just happening to be inhabiting bodies here, and the external world/afterlife/whatever is more real. then every reality you can inhabit would be the same lower tier, both fictional and this one
>>98103562>but it's possible we might be metaphysical beings like souls that are just happening to be inhabiting bodies hereThe idea that we could all be tendrils connected to the same thing implies you are having sex with yourself and birthing yourself btw. >and the external world/afterlife/whatever is more real. then every reality you can inhabit would be the same lower tier, both fictional and this oneStill a transcendental form of fiction (real life that works) compared to any fiction (imperfect fiction that doesn’t work) we can come up with down here. All fiction we create breaks down the more you analyze it. The writing responsible for our reality’s narrative might not even be able to be fully assessed or appreciated, given that we cannot fully understand our own.
We are all pieces of God poking through.
>>98103562>implying higher dimensional spirits would write such low quality fiction like the retarded three dimensional apesC’mon
>>98103517Think of it a different way, the fiction doesn't create a world, nor is the channeling a world, instead you use the fiction as a key to find a world that matches it. You can't get a perfect copy of a fictional world, but you can find a world that is a close match for what is described.
>>98103585i think you are reading too much into human semantical concepts to ascribe logic to something we can't understand. if we are all tendrils connected to the same thing like you said, then who is to say that our dreams and fantasies are any different from the dreams and fantasies of whatever created this? if person A has a dream and then somehow shows that dream to person B, and person B then has their own dream inspired by what person A showed them - is person B's dream less "real"? i don't personally think so
>>98103629> then who is to say that our dreams and fantasies are any different from the dreams and fantasies of whatever created this? The point is they are flawed. They are in flawed correspondence.
>>98103623That’s “channeling”. The odds of you just happening to write a fiction that matches up with another reality entirely. Mysticism at its core is just intuition. Some people just came to certain conclusions. Be it the chances or the feel for it.
>>98103623>the fiction doesn't create a worldDebatable, as it depends on whether or not it’s completely retarded in concept. Some fictions just couldn’t come into being naturally without some sort of mind to entertain it / the sheer retardation of it.Kind of like how 21st century infrastructure wouldn’t come into being without the emergence of humans.
>>98103668Maybe some forms of existence require intelligences to kickstart, yeah. There could be more sophisticated layers that fundamentally require intention. Maybe life, intelligent life, is pivotal to the lead up to some things. Life could be a crucial participant in the creation of realities.
>dude life and intelligence is le special Dude science
>>98103701Do you just hate yourself or something? Is it NOT special that intelligence might be the “key” to some doorways that unintelligent physics wouldn’t otherwise allow for? If physics can’t do it a thing it will make something that can, and this is just another layer of physics. “Life is the universe’s way of looking at itself”.
Life is a disease. The universe doesn’t want us.
>>98103647If there are infinite, or effectively realities, then just about anything you write will probably line up somewhat closely to some reality. It would be weird to be a perfect match, but the fiction doesn't need to have any existing connection to a world to in some way describe it. If you described a restaurant it's possible to describe one that actually exists in our world by pure chance, and if we had an infinite number of restaurants, you would have a hard time not describing something close to one of them.
>>98103742>If there are infinite, or effectively realities, then just about anything you write will probably line up somewhat closely to some realityBut as another said, some of those realities are so surreal as to require intelligence(s) to even consider them. It might be authored fundamentally.
>>98102573>>98102553 >>98102620I have redone the order of things, per recommendations. We are halfway through the second page before we hit the first rules explainer wall of text.
By definition, an infinite multiverse only contains possible outcomes, not impossible ones. Even with infinite variations, the laws of logic and physics still apply to what can actually exist. To put it in mathematical terms, just because you have an infinite sequence of numbers, it doesn't mean every number outside that sequence will magically appear. For example, in the infinite decimal expansion of pi = 3.14159, the digit 7 appears infinitely many times, but you will never find an 8 or a 9 in that specific sequence.Similarly, an infinite multiverse means you could have infinite variations of circumstances, but it doesn't mean the fundamental rules of reality are broken. Impossible things (like a physical object being both a sphere and a cube at the same time, or 2 + 2 = 5) remain impossible everywhere.
Neeeerrrrds
>>98103776I felt like you did really well capturing the graphics style of Elden ring in the armor and weapon choices, which makes it abit jarring that the rest of the cyoa isn't as graphically polished, unless youre still working on that. Personally I'd have the class selection as 2 choices side by side instead of 1 otherwise it takes up alot of space, but a choice size really depends on how important that choice iskeep up the good work
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>>98103810yes?
>>98103813Gimme your lunch money!
>>98103859I'm sorry sir, but we live in a digital cashless society, I only carry around my credit card, do you by chance have a card reader on your posession?
>>98103357>Italics forces you to read a book before playingI think that would be fine"in theory" - if you need a big block of lore to set the scene you need a big block to set the scene, sometimes a cyoa may be going for a very specific sort of tone/situation and require the player to understand a specific sort of situation or bits of lore - but that the way italics does it is poor form. It just feels so "meta" and low effort, it literally starts with "the story:"And yes, in this particular instance none of the lore presented really feels necessary to start the cyoa. You dont need to start with the origin of the world to pick your name and gender. Someting more refined like "once upon a time the vampires - powerful beings that have superpowers - appeared and brought humanity to its knees, only through the use of Spirit was humanity able to fight back and survive, now humanity is only around thanks to the vampire hunting agency, but the evil Counts want to destroy them" (to paraphrase) would give all the necessary information in a much more concise and "catchy" wayThe fact that theres an entire section explaining what a "name" is also feels like taking the piss, especially when none of the information there is "unique". This isnt RWBY or the sanderson settings or whatever where you might have specific rules for what the name is, he just felt the need to explain "vampite hunters have a name, when they get skilled enough they become famous, your nameare what people call you"Its like italics has never heard of editing. He just has a big block of random trivia and information he wants the player to know, and he just puts that big block of text in the cyoa rather than finding ways to have it appear naturally or imply it.
>>98103881Okay buddy, not reading all that slop
>>98102564Luminary, its not out yet because huspedo has bad work ethic.
>>98103811The class options have a fair bit of the mechanical crunch wrapped into them, and I'm using the general layout for the bosses you have to fight, so I wanted the player to get used to reading things like that. As for polish on the rest of it, I don't know man, I'm trying. A month and a half has been spent on this, on those rare few scraps of time I have free moments to put into it. I'm just wanting it out at this point, and I know how little I've actually gotten done.
>>98103777>, but you will never find an 8 or a 9 in that specific sequence3.14159Theres your 9.
>>98103599>God is masochist that throws pieces of himself under the bus so he can understand better/experience more things>the lower class pieces of God always get fucked over due to the out-of-touch decisions made by the higher class pieces of God that live fantastically better lives Deep.
>>98103410Is that supposed to be a drawback?
>>98104009Retard.
>>98104016Pretty much: https://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html
>>98103777>>98104009Um, ackchyually, to an engineer pi is just 3. But let’s say it’s 4 just to be safe.
Cyoas with this feel?>>98032731
cyoas with evil women? perhaps even evil women i can sex?
>>98104212Radiant.
>>mfw have to think of a bunch of consistently thematic powers for my cyoa
>>98104240Whatever you do. Don’t do shapeshifting.
>>98104212No idea, but yes, with "evil" as a moral descriptor malice and moral agency are basically prerequisites. The flies that reproduce that laying their eggs in the eyes of helpless orphan children arent evil for doing it. The wolf is not evil for eating people that get lost in the woods. "evil" as a descriptor of "causes harm/is dangerous" (a more primitive and less useful definition, but one you could use) would have those be evil, but it would also have a volcano be evil, or a tree that fell on someone, or faulty electrics.
>>98104241Why not, what else should I have?
>>98104241Do shapeshifting france needs to become a crater
>>98104218Radiant.
>>98104254Nah. From the perspective of the humans that’s evil as hell, anon. They can have a little bit of sympathy for the creatures, but at the end of the day it’s still a horrific kill and death inflicted upon children that causes maximum suffering. You may as well argue that a psychopath isn’t evil because he can’t help being an autistic person with a blue and orange morality spectrum. “He’s mentally ill!”. Yeah well those flies are biologically ill.
A serial killer isn’t evil. He just likes killing people.
>>98104254I’m 100% okay describing a world ending meteor as an evil son of a bitch since all morality is in essence a projection and I’m mad that I never got to have sex
>>98104254People have been calling nature a cunt since time immemorial anon.
Cancer is fucking evil.
Read a fucking book:> It is fascinating how we instinctively use the word "evil" to make sense of things that cause deep harm, even when they lack consciousness or intent. > Psychologically, viewing "evil" as a projection often stems from our need to externalize and understand suffering. When we project malice onto abstract concepts or unthinking biological processes like cancer, it gives a tangible face to a chaotic, threatening reality. It is much easier to fight a conceptual "enemy" than to accept that the universe sometimes involves random, senseless pain.> Biologically speaking, cancer is a compelling example of this projection. While it feels deeply destructive and "evil" to the person experiencing it, cancer cells are simply cells that have lost their regulatory mechanisms and are behaving according to their most primitive biological drive: survival and replication. There is no malice or consciousness in their growth; it is a tragic biological error rather than an act of malevolence.> By projecting ill intent onto un-aware things, we turn chaotic threats into something we can conceptualize, fear, and ultimately try to combat. It satisfies our psychological drive to find meaning and agency, even when none exists.
>>98104276>You may as well argue that a psychopath isn’t evil because he can’t help being an autistic person with a blue and orange morality spectrum. “He’s mentally ill!”.You easily could, though, since if evil is a moral descriptor, rather than a measure of harm, he could easily be said to not meet that qualification (depending on the nature of his dysfunction). >He’s mentally ill!”. Yeah well those flies are biologically ill.Hes "mentally ill" in the sense that the freak is not properly functional (because he is incapable of proper moral thought and thus incompatible with society). A creature that reproduces and survives perfectly fine is clearly not "biologically ill", especially since "biological illness" is just normal illness. You could say those creatures are horrific, that they should be wiped out (like we are doing with the guinea worm), but calling them evil (under a moral framework of evil) would be inaccurate. Wolves arent evil for killing sheep or people, we still kill wolves. You dont need to have a thing be evil to have it be a problem that needs to go away. >>98104302Yes, its why I specifically mentioned it as a possible way to classify "what is evil". Its just one that is less useful because of how broad it is. But yes, once again, you can just say "evil is whatever causes harm to me/my people" and call it a day, and then consider sickness, earthquakes, asteroids and that bear that ate your cousin george when he was hunting "evil".
>what happens when all the cyoas are boring slop that can't capture anyone's attentionbe better authors
>>98104233doesent radiant work on Dnd tier "evil is a literal measurable cosmic force" mechanics? Theres a "detect evil" power iirc and you work for the big Objective Good deity that represents all objective moral goodness
>>98104340>but calling them evil (under a moral framework of evil) would be inaccurateNot really. You’re free to project. Just as you’re projecting when you call a serial killer an evil son of a bitch. Nah he’s just displacing matter. Is matter evil? Evil is just projection.
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>>98104240Whatever you do. Include some passive body/mental enhancement powers. Those are my favorite.
>>98104382I've never told an author "thank you" because they've never made a good cyoa
>>98104375A serial killer fits the moral framework of evil, so no. It isnt at all similar.
midwit hours
>>98104340>Hes "mentally ill" in the sense that the freak is not properly functional (because he is incapable of proper moral thought and thus incompatible with society). Irrelevant. You don’t (necessarily) need to be functional in society to thrive as a person. >A creature that reproduces and survives perfectly fine is clearly not "biologically ill", especially since "biological illness" is just normal illness. Some serial killers function perfectly fine and started families and led successful lives.>You could say those creatures are horrificRelative to the person. The Xenomorphs from Alien aren’t evil, by your reasoning, but their biology was still hardwired to kill, eat, mutilate, and assimilate human dna.>but calling them evil (under a moral framework of evil) would be inaccurateIt’s about as in accurate as calling a serial killer evil, then. It’s evil because it impacts human lives for the worse. It’s irrelevant if it has an actual intent or motive.
>>98104391Nope. A serial killer isn’t evil. He doesn’t feel one way or the other about your feelings when he murders. He enjoys killing. That’s it. He doesn’t enjoy suffering. He just likes dissecting live bodies.
The morally bankrupt realist would push a fat guy onto the train tracks if it had a chance of saving the several dozen on board. They aren’t evil they’re just analytical.
>>98104400>Some serial killers function perfectly fine and started families and led successful lives.Irrelevant. Anything not neurotypical is "mentall illness", its a classification of deviation, a "functional" mentally ill person is still mentally ill. >The Xenomorphs from Alien aren’t evil, by your reasoning, but their biology was still hardwired to kill, eat, mutilate, and assimilate human dna.Yes?Although they can assimilate all DNA, not just that of humans.Xenomorphs arent evil, Predators are, even if Predators are far less destructive than Xenomorphs. Xenomorphs are not moral agents; they are creatures fulfilling basic biological imperatives. Predators ARE moral agents, and act as they do regardless.
>>98103942Is there going to be a fully flowered Millicent? Please, i have to save her at least.
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>>98104406>A serial killer isn’t evilThey meet the moral criteria for evil, and therefore are.
evil isn't real, sweaty :)
>>98104416A guy fat enough to stop a train wouldnt be able to be pushed
>>98104421But morality is an entirely human created construct that doesn't exist in nature. I don't mean that in an edgy nihilistic way, but it is something unique to us as a social species, though you could certainly say other social species might share some similar frameworks. An alien creature might have completely alien morality and therefore not be evil
>>98103534So THAT'S where my urges come from.
>>98104439What if he was a normal guy and you pushed him onto the tracks and then fed him 50 million cheeseburgers
>>98104441Yes, morality is not "real" insofar that you can never squeeze out an ounce of good or evil, you could comb through every atom of matter in the universe and never find a shred of "morality"Aliens would probably have their own frameworks for morality/their cultural equivalent, although if theyre similar to us it could easily be similar to our own. But judging aliens by THEIR version of morality is weird, because we arent them, we have our own version of morality.
>>98104421>Anything not neurotypical is "mentall illness", its a classification of deviation, a "functional" mentally ill person is still mentally ill. Einstein was mentally ill, then. I don’t even disagree entirely. Neurodivergence isn’t necessarily the norm. Same as how blue eyes weren’t always a normal. It’s also possible that modern day humans are complete retards compared to ancient humans. >Although they can assimilate all DNA, not just that of humans.Don’t be pedantic. It does, but the original intent (that particular cache the Prometheus found, not the biotechnology itself; presumably the Engineers could do whatever with it). It’s why Xenomorphs are so aggressive to life. Bio weapons in the most classic sense (create monster, unleash monster). >Xenomorphs arent evilThey are, from the perspective of humans. They’re absolutely “demonic”. If you argue moral evil, then they were definitely engineered by the Engineers with genocidal intent. It’s baked into them. You don’t actually need conscious intent or motive for something to be evil if it’s truly aberrant to your normal. Most things wouldn’t be evil by that standard. Stalin didn’t see himself as evil when he signed the papers to executed hundreds. >Predators areThey’re cruel. Unfair. Some are more so honourable. Their idea of unfair or cruelty is simply nature being unfair, though. Do you complain when you run up against a grizzly bear? Some animals are better equipped. They see themselves as that.
Paging the hot mamacitas in threadGot a steaming hot new OC coming out soon and just letting you know that I'm expecting to pipe you after you've read it and swooned over my amazing writing
>>98104421Xenomorphs are cruel. They’re evil. They are not stupid animals. Even dolphins and otters are bastards who commit rape and murder.
>>98104470>hot mamacitasYour cyoa is 100% gonna be "steaming hot" shit
>>98104475You could call God evil too then because he put us here where all this suffering occurs. Even if you discount "free will" and creatures choosing to hurt each other, reality is still evil because natural disasters, cancer, etc still occur.
>>98104458It’s not weird. You’re missing the point of morality. As another said, it’s a form of projection.
>>98104212Outer Reincarnation Elder gods
It's going to be another one of those threads I see
>>98104478I love a woman who's spicy, can't wait to tame you
>>98104481God is absolutely evil. For Him to work, it would require Him to be an Asshole. God has always been the bigger Dick than Satan.
There’s conscious evil and reactive evil. The latter doesn’t require the former.
>>98104465>Einstein was mentally ill, thenI am unaware of him suffering from any particular mental illness, but sure maybe he just managed to be undiagnosed or whatever. >but the original intentThe original intent was that it was some random monster they found. All that Prometheus nonsense came much later. But even then it repeadly shows itself to be more than fine hunting other forms of life (and even robots), not just humans.>If you argue moral evil, then they were definitely engineered by the Engineers with genocidal intentThat would make the engineers evil, not the aliens. >You don’t actually need conscious intent or motive for something to be evil You do if evil is a moral classification, rather than a label for "thing that causes harm".>They’re cruel. Unfair.Both less relevant than "predators are sentient and conscious moral agents". The issue isnt them being fair or unfair, its that theyre a sentient species that goes out of its way to hunt other sentient species for fun (which fits the moral standard of evil). >a grizzly bearIs, like a xenomorph, not a moral agent.
>>98104506>I am unaware of him suffering from any particular mental illnessHe had major ADHD and couldn’t sit still in class. Possibly had Asperger’s. He had frequent memory lapses; would get on a train and forget his destination. Blew the minds of people on board.
>>98104512Then sure, if that's true, he was by definition mentally ill.
>>98104506>not a moral agentIt doesn’t really matter. Animals frequently torture. Humans aren’t the only ones capable of unnecessary cruelty. You should see how orcas and dolphins and apes act in the wild. Orangutans have raped human females (they go for white blondes) and chimpanzees lead cannibal rape raids on rival “tribes”.
>>98104520>It doesn’t really matterSure it does, you need to be a moral agent to display moral characteristics like good or evil.
>>98104519Or he was just neurodivergent and could not stop processing and thinking about physics to the detriment of other basic things. He even said his philosophy was “why bother remembering things that are already written down?”. He’d only remember his train destination if he had his ticket on him. Otherwise he was lost.
>>98104524Nope. It’s not necessarily two sided. Morality is one sided.
>>98104506>That would make the engineers evil, not the aliens. You can bake into an organism the instinct to do murder. Cuckoo birds for instance just know how to commit murder from birth. You may not call that evil, but murder is murder.
Man, OC well's pretty dry today
>>98104506>You do if evil is a moral classification, rather than a label for "thing that causes harm".Did the Nazis see themselves as immoral?
>>98104506>The issue isnt them being fair or unfair, it’s that theyre a sentient species that goes out of its way to hunt other sentient species for fun (which fits the moral standard of evil). “But they can’t help it! They HAVE to have fun torturing babies by skinning them alive! Or else they will die from a lack of sustenance!”Anon this is getting silly
>>98104551Doesn't matter, moral classification does not mean moral self classification.
Aliens aren’t evil. They just think humans are stupid.
>>98104563The issue is that this isnt true. You could pull this argument about some hypothetic species that DOES get its sustenance that way, but the yautja/predators dont, they just do it for cultural reasons. Hence evil.
>>98104551Now thats a fairly strange question as the nazis were made up of individuals who probably understood their ideology differently.Im sure their were nazis who thought mengale stitching twins together for SCIENCE was probably a little cringe.
>>98104565The demons in Frieren should know better then. You can be a sick fuck and still know right from wrong. You can be a pedophile and still choose to not molest a kid. Sorry. That’s just how it is. You are arguing it something is incapable of not doing a bad. Is a serial killer capable of not killing someone? Of course.
>>98104544>You may not call that evilCorrect. For the same reason I dont call the falcon evil for eating other birds. Animals are not moral agents, and even if they were (which they arent) they are acting based on necessary biological imperatives.
>>98104571The issue is that you’re arguing instincts override the intellectual ability to know right from wrong. It doesn’t. Just because you have an urge to rape doesn’t mean you aren’t evil if you commit the rape.
>>98104582Then I refer you to >>98104589You’re arguing an inability to know right from wrong. If most dolphins are smart enough to know not to rape, but still rape, then most dolphins are evil rapists.
>>98104581The demons in frieren are very complex mimics evolved to feed on humans. Its questionable if they are even truly sentient (or simply mimicking sentience to more effectively hunt), and even if they were sentient their evolution and natural imperative is "to feed on humans". You may as well argue wolves are evil for eating sheep.
>>98104604You’re basically arguing that they’re stupid, anon. They’re not stupid. They’re absolutely sapient. Even a non aware AI will understand this.
>>98104599>If most dolphins are smart enough to know not to rapeVery load bearing "if" there. But sure, in this hypothetical world where dolphins are a conscious and sentient race that is sufficiently advanced to "know better" but continue to rape? Theyre bad people. The issue is of course that dolphins arent that advanced, and are simply "smart for animals" rather than true moral agents. Theyre not people, not even the most advanced apes are there yet.
>>98104604There are inventors among the demons. They are sapient and conscious and quite ingenious. I would call that sentient.
>Survival mechanism is to pretend to be human so you're not killed by humans>kill humans and make them want to kill you backThey're literally retarded
>>98104617Dolphins know exactly what they’re doing anon. Chimps know exactly what they’re doing anon.
>>98104589Your biological imperative, the base needs of your function, are what define "right and wrong". If a falcon were smart enough to be a moral agent they would know that it is morally right for them to kill and eat other animals, because that is what they need to do to survive. >>98104628Its not so humans dont kill them, its so humans have their guard down so they can eat humans—theyre mimics. Imagine a wolf learns to cry for help in a child's voice, and notices that this allows it to hunt more effectively. It's like that, but on a much more significant level (because they're magical monsters).
>>98104641The orangutan knows its chances of survival are lower if it’s pent up stress isn’t released. Therefore he must fuck the blonde white tourist. Now replace orangutan with human.
okay can we start posting and talking about cyoa now? Anyone made a pragmata cyoa yet?
>>98104641They’re intelligent enough to mimic concepts that other animals cannot. They can outright mimic human culture. Form their own. They’re not non-sentient. Could a wolf mimic a human’s ability to do math? No. A demon is intelligent enough to do math.
>>98104648Rape isnt a necessary biological function. Orangutangs aren't moral agents, they're dumb animals (even if theyre pretty smart for a dumb animal).
>>98104656>Rape isnt a necessary biological function. 99.99% of procreation in the wild is rape. There are species of crabs that steal underaged crabs. Holding them until they sexually mature.
You guys belong in prison...Autism Prison that is
>>98104654>They’re intelligent enough to mimic concepts that other animals cannotYes, but the series repeatedly states that that's all it is, mimicking (aesthetic mimicry at that a lot of the time). They simply "act like humans" on a surperficial level because that helps them hunt humans, they dont actually understand the things humans do or why they do it, they simply know "this is what humans do, if I do the same thing humans will think im like them and I can eat them"They're advanced for a monster, but at the end of the day all they are are monsters that learned to pretend to not be monsters, precisely because it fools other people and has them put their guard down. The moment you think theyre moral agents that can be reasoned with or "know better" is the moment youve lost and they can eat you.
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“The chimp doesn’t know any better when it rapes and murders”- the human“The human doesn’t know any better when it rapes and murders”- the alien
>>98104680Humans are parrots anon. We’re literally no different from the demons. We parrot and copy each other all the time. This is how babies are raised. This is why babies born in the wild without humans end up being fucked for life. It’s just pretentious to claim that the demons aren’t sentient or sapient. It’s like you think it’s a lot more profound when it’s just not.
>>98104680By your logic the Chinese aren’t human because all they can do is mimic and copy. Looool.
>>98104715This anon gets it, I always thought it was weird that the demons were demonised but Humans lie and manipulate each other all the time, they're just better at it.
>>98104680Well, one of the demons quite literally described ‘crying for mommy’ as one of the most powerful spells of humanity. She interpreted it as a very sophisticated way of surviving. She didn’t comprehend it as something related around attachment. It is ironic when attachment IS a survival mechanism. This implies they are sentient/sapient if they frame it that way. They shouldn’t be able to have conversations with humans at all if you think they’re just animals like wolves. That takes a high intelligence, which is what denotes sentience (even a non aware AI could be argued as a sentient if it’s sophisticated enough to be its own person or have its own agency).
>>98104739Being able to communicate isn't a human only thing, you never heard birds singing in your back yard?
Demons are sentient. They are conscious of their surroundings.
>>98104739>She didn’t comprehend it as something related around attachmentExactly, she didnt actually "understand it", she just knew "this is what humans do and it works"
>>98104750>consciouscan you define that?
>>98104747The difference is birds aren’t intelligent enough to parse human language. They parse it the same way dogs do. Some highly intelligent species of bird, like the grey parrot, could have very basic conversations with their owners, however. Like toddlers. Gorillas could communicate using sign language. The threshold for sapience is rare even among the most intelligence animals. When you’re intelligent enough, you’re more or less sapient, though. Otherwise you’re arguing they’re not intelligent. Not enough to interact. Which is weird.
>>98104766Well, she outright described it as a spell. Sophisticated. That implies she understands sophistication and can appreciate application. To her it was an impressive thing. A wolf won’t congratulate another wolf on their hunting or survival tactic.
>>98104767They are self aware. They understand what words mean. If they weren’t intelligent enough to understand the things they’re mimicking, and how they piece together in social matters, then they wouldn’t be able to mimic, or fit in, at all.
>Gil is a Frieren fagNow I really have to punish him…
>>98104783>They understand what words meanBehold, a "conscious" doghttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/CS3kviWGkH0?feature=share
>>98104779Anon, spells are not sophisticated for demons. Thats one of the things that separates them from other races. For elves and humans spells are skills, things you learn and can study and get better at, a sign of sophistication.For demons spells/magic are an innate thing theyre basically born with, they can just "do it" in the same way some animals have venom or horns. Thats why demons cant "advance" their magic like humans can, its why they cant understand hiding ones mana. Its just an instinct to them, a basic and primitive thing.
>>98104800Okay. Now show me a dog who can understand an intellectual or magical lecture. A demon absolutely would.
>>98104783>If they weren’t intelligent enough to understand the things they’re mimicking, and how they piece together in social matters, then they wouldn’t be able to mimicDo mimics understand what chests are and how they are used? Are mimics intelligent and sentient beings that understand the complexities of human civilization and storage? Or are they just animals that have through (magical) evolution learned that "this shape works if I hide in X place"?>>98104806A demon in frieren would understand nothing about a magical lecture. Birds fly, that doesent mean a bird would understand a lecture about why aircraft works. Magic for demons is an Xman superpower, not a thing of study and learning.
>>98104801You’re still being as pedantic as you are pretentious. Demons do invent sophisticated spells. Which humans can draw upon. Demon magic forms the basis of human magic. https://frieren.fandom.com/wiki/Qual
>>98104819>A demon in frieren would understand nothing about a magical lectureYes. He would. Human magic has at times come from demon magic. Demons would be fantastic lecturers.
>>98104819Anon. Are demons intelligent or not? If they can hold a conversation with you, they are intelligent/sapient. It’s that simple. Their machinations are not animalistic.
>>98104801>Thats why demons cant "advance" their magic like humans canI don’t think you read or watched Frieren
>>98104841>Demons would be fantastic lecturers.Not just 'would be', the demon in the golden city WAS a teacher to the monocle old man wizard.
>>98104829Yes, humans and elves can learn from the magic of demons, that does not mean demons do magic the same way as elves and humans. This is repeatedly shown in the series. Magic for demons is simply a "thing they have", in the same way wolves have teeth and snakes have venom. Its not a skill or school of study, its a superpower some have and some dont, a thing used on instinct. >>98104841Demons in the series repeatedly show that they dont "understand" magic, its just an innate ability that they have (like flight is for birds). Thats literally the reason why humans have managed to advance so much compared to demons, because for demons its just an arbitrary ability (sometimes very powerful at that) rather than a technique that can be learned or iterated upon. Humans create poisons, demons have venom.
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>>98104870Yeah I don’t know what that anon is arguing about. Demons are hyper specialized wizards who push the limits of a specific type of magic. They’re absolutely sophisticated geniuses. Humans end elves have to improvise and learn other magics. Depth vs breadth.
>>98104873>that does not mean demons do magic the same way as elves and humansThey don’t learn or use magic the same way. Demons are specialized while non demons are generalized. But the magic of Qual is indeed used by humans. They studied it and used it. But magic is magic.
>>98104873>It’s not a skill or school of study, its a superpower some have and some dont, a thing used on instinct. I think you’re splitting hairs. It’s both. The demons do advance and refine their magic. Qual was their foremost genius or inventor. Macht was a genius at gold themed magics. It is innate to them but it is also something they wish to advance, and they can indeed lag behind humans, like Qual did. Human and elf mages took a demons magic and advanced upon it.
>>98104873This is like arguing that the elves in Lord of the Rings aren’t artists because “art to them is like breathing”. Lol.
>>98104892Yes, spells are spells. But for a human a "spell" is a thing to be learned, to be studied. For a demon a "spell" is just a thing you have, they are born being able to do it. Qual couldnt learn water magic even if he wanted to, that guy who didnt blood magic could never learn zoltrak. Theyre BNHA quirks, they can get good with the magic they have, but thats no different to working out to develop your muscles.
>>98104910an artist is "someone who does art" so that wouldnt matterbut if a race just "did" art, it was just a natural and instinctive thing for them? Then they wouldnt know any "art theory" as humans understand it because they would be acting on instinct rather than conscious knowledge.
Demons have taught humans their magic. Both are capable of using the same magic. Demons are just born with it and don’t need to expand upon it the same way. They don’t bother learning other magic rather than expanding and improving upon the one they already know. Or inventing new uses for it.
>>98104925Magic to demons has been described as a personal, “lifetime” art. They don’t do much else. It’s like being an old Japanese person obsessing over the same Bonsai tree year after year.
>>98104917>Qual couldnt learn water magic even if he wanted toHe actually could. Demons just don’t feel the need to generalize since they aren’t magicless humans who have to improvise to come out ahead. This is also their downfall since they never considered that a human could perfect their own specialization.
You can tell whoever wrote Frieren loves elves a bit too much and thinks they’re meant to be eternally little girls and that they’re meant to be the most amazing things ever and humans can’t ever equal them (unless they also look youthful like an elf tee hee they get an exception) due to effeminate elf gurl power
>>98104999actually its clear they consider elves a stagnant race of old timers to stuck in their ways to change
>>98105022And yet they are the bestest mages ever
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>>98105100>bestthey just know more spells than the average mage, most magic itself is produced by humans
>>98102581It is 99% done; she is just holding out on you specifically, anon.
>>98104487Matterjeet is literally the worst thing to ever happen to /cyoag/
