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I sure do hope we get some nice NUmk4 soon.

>>98140265
>You guys believe 5 pts over a bolt pistol should net you double the shots, S+1 and Deflagrate (Volkite Serpenta).
I believe 5pts should net me two such serpenta.

>>98140265
I... I'M GONNA.... CHOOOOOOOOOM!!!!

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>>98140170
>With rhino rush it might as well be teleporting into melee
Why can't we have mesurated, restrained rules? No; it's gotta be the extremes of the pendulum. Either OP or useless, no in between!
Losing the distinction of Combat Speed and Cruising Speed has been a disaster for imperialkind

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>>98140338
Shorter games and shorter possible charge distances means you need to be faster on the get-go.

>>98140359
On the whole I dont think the rhino rush is "OP". Its very strong, it warps whats possible, giving units like suzerains and vet breachers an alternative transport beyond land raiders to their advantage.

But its not impossible to deal with (rhinos are very much mortal) and it can be mostly mitigated with reposition reactions, since once a unit is out it basically gets no more benefit from the transport and transports arent free.

Its a powerful tool that gives non-jump melee infantry a means of actually getting to combat in the now much faster 4 turn game format, but its pricy enough (70pts for the usual rhino loadout) and its not invincible or sure-fire.

10 Iron Hands Inductii with phosphex bombs in a rhino as a phosphex delivery system, is it retarded?

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>>98140388
Then don't make games shorter? All short games achieved was pushing for extremes - "Can't be in melee by turn 2? Useless!"
Of course you would end up with Rhino teleportations with that design. Simplification and optimization :(
But that does away with options "that shouldn't have been options in the first place", and removes depth from the game.
And this is how we are now with a pale imitation of what Tank Shock had been, no Ramming at all, and vehicle guns are now a Y/N boolean of them having moved, instead of a sliding scale of how fast they have done so.

>>98140470
Current tank shock is fine, its not a special thing where you play chicken with a unit, you simply drive over them and they take damage from you doint it, because you drove over them with a tank.

>>98140338
bring back acceleration and deceleration rates and turning circles and pop-up attacks

>>98140294
I don't want it soon, I want third edition to be such an abject failure over the next two years that they never let those hacks touch it again

>>98140772
wish granted, 3rd edition is canceled
Welcome the first edition of The Scouring!

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Are any of the new Custodes miniatures good?

>>98140772
Oh it's already too late for that. Those SN events sell out constantly, and they're expensive as fuck to attend.

>>98140831
From what ive read here and other places, fuck no.

Speaking of custodes, I bought one of those sagittarum (or however its spelled) custodes upgrade sets just on a whim, which box do they go with? Preferably which OLD box?

>>98140887
>fuck no
How so?

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Which Legion would use Power Hammers as their two-handed weapon of choice? Iron Warriors?

>>98141006
Iron Warriors, Iron Hands and Salamanders

>>98140852
40 of the same players attending an annual tournament does not a success make

>>98141006
marines pretty much never wield power hammers two handed, and if they do it's usually when in assault configuration. The only recent example I can think of is the sword brethren kit.

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>>98141006
Dark Angels.

>>98141136
Nta but DAs had legion bonuses if you modelled your melee weapons as swords in 1.0. Even thunder hammers.

>>98141144
Yea, and thats gay as fuck.

>>98141144
Still had it in 2.0

Though I have never seen a big enough faggot that actually tried to exploit it

>>98141006
Thunder hammers? Everyone uses them.

>>98141059
This is the most delusional cope I've seen in a while, kek

>>98141166
>Though I have never seen a big enough faggot that actually tried to exploit it
I definitely saw faggots try to it with dreadnoughts though

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>>98141175
true a niche event for the ultra invested somehow meaning the success of a product which has bombed since launch is a crazy cope.

>>98141175
NTA but no, a niche event being successful is not representative. The SN guys are clearly diehards, the people playing their events are diehards who have likely been playing the game for ages. They have professionally painted armies, massive collections, and fly to fucking gibraltar to play at an event.

That does not mean "this edition is generally successful". Anecdotally, the edition has been successful in my area, its kind of exploded since 3rd over here, but "the sn guys sell out events" is even less proof than that.

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>>98141179
In 2e they had +1 to hit with power swords, calibanite swords, chainswords, and close combat weapons (the weapon - the S U Ap- one) modeled like swords. Not "any weapon that looks like a sword".

>>98141193
If there wasn't a healthy, sizable player base, there wouldn't be enough rich ultra invested people to fill out such events. It's a well known fact in market research. Certain free to play games base their entire monetisation around it, they draw in hordes of people with low entry cost then earn millions from the few rich whales that follow them.

>>98140908
helmets are ugly, you are stuck with half male half female squads, they use stormcast legs and some of the monoposes can't be built without capes (some legs lack details on the back because of it)

>>98141238
This. In 1.0 you could model non-sword weapons as swords and get the bonus, which was my point. DA love swords so they would use two-handed swords instead of hammers.

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>>98140265
anyone got an overview of which loadout options were included in the old cataphractii box? i can get a decent deal on a primed squad of ten with combi bolters, but three of them have got chain fists while the rest has power fists. ideally i would like all to have power fists. i can also snag a new box or two of the same old models in case that would be better. also, what is /hhg/'s take on buying painted models for the purpose of re-painting them?

>>98141249
>there wouldn't be enough rich ultra invested people to fill out such events
100% not true. Youre conflating the whale dynamic with the fact that there are diehard fans of stuff.

There were events that sold out for warhammer fantasy during its long "death" between 2015 and whenever TOW actually launched. This did not mean warhammer fantasy was a thriving success, it meant that some people (like me) kept playing warhammer fantasy because we were more dedicated than most, and that this was a large enough minority to allow us to run (admittedly small, but this it was the ass end of nowhere) events.

>>98141264
>In 1.0 you could model non-sword weapons as swords and get the bonus
Mega gay.

>>98141277
10 combi-bolters, 10 power fists, 10 chanfists, 10 pairs of lightning claws, 2 power sword, 2 grenade harness, 2 heavy flamer. Other options are available via recasters of the old Cataphractii upgrade sets.

>>98141277
Each set of five catapractii came with:
>five pairs of lightning claws
>five chainfists
>five powerfists
>a power swords
>a grenade harness
>a heavy flamers
Not sure if the latest old cata box came with ten or five of them.

>>98141295
Book 9 and what came after are things that I would rather forget and ignore.

>>98141277
per 5 cataphractii they came with 1 power sword, 1 heavy flamer, 5 combi bolters, 5 pairs of claws, 5 chain fist and 5 fist

>>98141309
the latest box was 2 of each sprue

>>98141317
More like book seven and everything that came after.
>Tourists in battle of propero
>Most outrageous power creep yet
>Retarded retcons

>>98141343
I really should have gotten another one before it was taken off the shelves, just in case.

>>98141351
Inferno at least had its alright bits and malevolence had the daemon list. This doesn't put them even near Betrayal or Massacre or Extermination but I would still call them black books. The lowest points of the series but still black books. There is not a single redeeming thing about crusade and both FW and GW know that.

>>98141136
Still one of the best GW kits ever made.

>>98141249
even entertaining the notion you are right, ultimately its a discussion of whether the rules 'sell' the game, especially with the heresy where there will always be a huge collectors market for people who just want to build that army or to get the old resin kits in plastic, and again an annual tournament doesn't prove the rules are popular. The TOW tournament is an order of magnitude greater than HH currently and it's still by no means a big game.

>>98141351
Try book 5, because that's when they starting acknowledging the bullshit from BL and made Calth barely even a pyrhhic victory for the word bearers, and near total tactical failure for them

Is using a 40k chaplain for a chaplain consul kosher?
what about that new primaris lemartes?

Bait used to be believable.

>>98141678
The primaries chaplains look like ass, except for lemartes. But he comes with the atrocious primaries jump pack and pistol. So you'd have to swap half the model, making him a very expensive conversion base. I'd get something cooler tbuh.

>>98141808
Body + head would cost me around $7.

But im open to other suggestions, just not sure what would be a better base. I considered the old UM chaplain dude, but hes all "one part" more or less.

>>98141808
Lemartes looks like ass too and is an insult to his two older models.

>>98141826
I dont mind old lemartes. How does he scale up size-wise?

Although I probably want my chaplain on foot. Thats where the shitters are.

>>98141678
depends, the ones covered in purity seals and scripts are probably OK for WB or maybe for IF, but they look out of place for IH or something unless you've got a strong visual theme that brings them in naturally

no
you'd have to trim the rims from his kneepads, lose the tassets, replace the forearms at a minimum but keep them in scale, weapons need at least a different pistole; the crozius isn't really too much and he doesn't have Primaris ears, and ironically he isn't covered in purity seals like a lot of middlehammer chaplains

he's also surprisingly modular - you could probably do worse than fudging scale a little and finding two below-knee mkII assault squad legs to replace his shins, with the big mkII jump pack he wouldn't look out of place, especially if you can marry the shoulder tubes from mkII assault to his torso

>>98141823
>but hes all "one part" more or less
did they ever make an on foot firstborn modular chaplain? i think your best option it would be the current overseer or the old calth one as base.

>>98141846
The 3rd ed one is shorter than basic humans, the 5th ed one should be the same size as 1st ed 30k marines but both have a mk7 armour.

>>98140887
Pls respond? Which custodes box goes with the sagittarum guard upgrade set?

>>98141973
The old one, obviously.

>>98141977
name of box set please? I missed the first wave of custodes, so I dont know what its called.

>>98141985
"adeptus custodes custodian wardens" or something. The box they had for basic infantry before the current one.

>>98141985
Either of the 40k sets, guard or wardens. You could probably make the new ones work without much effort.

>>98142023
Im just trying to figure out which is the new ones vs the old. Dont want any femmestode nonsense in my squad.

>>98142066
Are you trolling or are you geninely retarded, its not fucking rocket science to figure this shit out. Theres two boxes and one launched very recently, do the maths for which is the old one.

>>98142070
He's probably polish from his ESL writing so...

>>98142070
There's no end to the depths of human stupidity.

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Wanted to make a mechanicum list with as many big robots as I could.
Is something like this playable, even if not competitive?

>>98140535
Booo! Old tank shock caused fall backs, which forced units back better than doing a handful of hits did. I'll miss that.
That is, I'll miss you guys doing that. Beer + pretzels hosuerules are so liberating

>>98142200
This list would in fact be improved if you had more robots anon. I assume you're just starting out and that's why you have the skitarri and thallax, but it'd be a good idea to replace those with some battle maniples as soon as possible.

>>98140709
I think 40k 10th edition did have that? Turning around costed vehicles 2" of their maximum move.
What's a pop up attack?

>>98141823
>the old UM chaplain dude

the plastic Cassius? from the Deathwatch kit?

I think for him I'd probably just do a head swap (because it's weird to have him be identical to a guy who won't be born for 10 millennia), maybe replace the backpack because I don't like the reliquary on it (tho I'd keep the crest for the new pack), swap off the DW pauldron and leave off the titty tassels piece

other than that he has a UM symbol on the crozius that's trivial to fill with paint, like an animal, a Deathwatch I on his book that's trivial to trim off or convert to a numeral I for your DA chaplain, and one purity seal

if you mean the metal guys yeah fuck em it'd be easier to convert the current BT castellan than those dudes

>>98142337
It was also a lame rule that basically no one ever used ever, and its a lot less intuitive and satisfying than simply running someone over.

>>98141673
Aye, legions are right(ish) when released in batches of 3-4, instead of 2.
But now that legions are released all at once, there won't be power creep when they are all from the same release... hopefully

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>>98142391
This guy was metal/resin.

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>>98142339
The Secutarii are needed to go with the Titan. I could build a Mechanicum list and take the Titan as an ally, but I could only afford to take it at BS3 for 750 points. By taking the Legio Titanicus as the main faction, I can get BS5 on the Warhound but need the Secutarii as list-filler to afford the and it's fluffy to have them as the guardians of the Titan's legs since Warhounds tend to have little protection in melee.

And I kinda wanted the Thallax there to be a deep-striking unit with the jump packs (also I bought the box that had the Thanatar, Castellaxes and Thallaxes). But dropping them I can get another Domitar and more Voraxes.

>>98142476
>Secutarii as list-filler to afford the and it's fluffy
Whoops, Meant to say "to afford that many Mechanicum allies, and it's fluffy..."

>>98142200
not legal for Titan Ordinal in non-Engine Kill missions, legal in Engine Kill missions

not legal for non-Titan Ordinal because LoW is more than 25% of the points total

in the very specific case of being able to play Engine Kill, yeah, probably, either you're going to meet players who know how to bully titans or you're going to meet players who panic

strictly speaking, the way Dynamic Uplink is worded, you don't have the firepower to score except on Macro Emplacement, because your blastgun can't penetrate AV14 without Power Hungry coming into effect (and even then, it's a 6 to do 7 Damage) and your turbo laser can reliably penetrate AV15 but only does 6 damage and has 1 shot, and each time you roll a new Strategic Objective it's instanced, with all-new HP

I'm not sure if this is intentional - it would certainly be trivial for 3k of Warlord to fuck shit up turn afterr turn - or whether your single Warhound is being unintentionally penalised

>>98142541
That's reminding me why I had also wanted the Thallax, for more AP2 guns (the multi-meltas) and their melta bombs.

>>98142350
pop-up attacks were a thing where skimmers could stay stationary and be considered 12" above their actual position on the table for the purposes of shooting - you'd put it on a plastic cup in the movement phase and in your shooting phase, make a shooting attack as if you were high up above the cover you were hiding behind

the problems with it were that the only way to shoot back was Overwatch (which cost the squad doing it their movement and shooting in their previous turn) and you had to add 12" to the range of the Overwatch unit's attack to represent the target being up in the air, and the only skimmers that existed were loaded with heavy weapons - picture shooting bolters back at a Harlequin jetbike unit, in an edition where even jetbikes were really hard to reliably damage with heavy weapons, while they're shooting you with howling bullshit ammo or whatever it was called, and you're at -1 to Hit anyway because they're emerging from cover, and they have some insane invulnerable save from holo-fields

it was total bullshit and the only redemption it had if you weren't Eldar or the owner of numerous belligerent Land Speeders was that your Overwatch happened in the Movement phase, before the pop-up unit got a chance to shoot - so if you'd decided to simply take your devastators out of action for a turn, you could probably kill some jetbikes

>>98140709
Thats nonsense, but it could be a funny way to have the sicaran not be bad. Its "hard factors" are weak but its got super good handling and the like.

>>98142461
I mean, you could argue theres been some powercreep (phraetus), but honestly I dont know if they even count. Theyre strong, but theyre still pretty niche.

Anybody have scans of the missions from the Tallarn journal?

>>98140831
Sentinel and Custodian Guard are very monopose.
Their filigree is very annoying to pick out and highlight seperately (I'm doing nmm, if you just do metallics + wash it doesn't matter).
The tanks are more annoying than the resin ones were.
The venetari are solid, and can swap arms, legs, and torso between poses.
The dreadnoughts are good and quite poseable. Not as nice as like a Tau commander, but good.

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Some shots from Heresy Prom 2026 event here in aus this weekend

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>>98140468
I have been running 2x IH Phosphex Inductii in rhinos for a while now, its fkn great fun.

>>98143250
cool looking army anon

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>>98143236
Teams were doubles with 1750pts each and LOW budget shared between them. I ran Traitor Skittarii Pilgrims with allied Heretic Magos so he could buff and repair the Brass Scorpion.

The Brass scorp was a total menace and I have dubbed him Mr Pinchy, The Magos with Heterodox attached to some Echidnax for battlesmith buffing is fucken rude and I love it.

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>>98140831
very monopose and difficult to swap bits around between kits, basically the opposite of the old ones. sucks when building but they're fun to paint

>>98143250
Nice, I’ll be building some soon. I love that Mastodon, anon.

>got dominion zephon + some dawnbreakers and assault marines as an ally contingent
>zephon has officer of the line 2
>unique in a prime slot so only gets logistical benefit
What do you even fill this with? You could run a ton of dreadnoughts but blood angels don't really even benefit them much.

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>>98143552
Cheers anons, may your dice roll well

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>>98140831
>Infantry
The Custodian and Sentinel Guard Sodalities are quite restrictive with posing, even the helmets surprisingly are with the plumes getting in the fucking way. Ironically they're probably the worst thing in the release wave and there are WAY too many goddamned head options padding it out, and then the Guardian Spear sprue adds another six more - all without extra plumes.
The Shield-Captain is pretty like much any other monopose leader from Citadel. But knowing the MkII Centurion's cape, it could be far, far worse. There are also more parts involved with the bare female head than the helmeted one.
While the Venatari get repetitive with tactical rocks (granted you don't have to deal with flight stems) and perhaps lance poses if you're going heavy on them, you get some leniency if you don't mind the pistol and arm being one piece, plus you get a lot of extra parts.
>Tanks
Caladius felt tedious to build, and since it's basically two Dickbikes strapped onto the hull. you might need do some gap filler depending. The turret attaches with a twist and turn like Imperial Knight arms, which I believe the Fellblade does too?
Can't speak for the Coronus, but I imagine it's pretty much the same only bigger.
>Dreadnoughts
Rock solid. There are some pegs on a fair few pieces and alternate feet for casuals to get two set poses, but you can just chop the former off and there are clearly extra parts for the Achillus to hold the dreadspear with two hands if you know what you're doing. Only complaint is boring out the square holes on the adrathic wrist weapons.

I would think that a future plastic Telemon and vehicle kits will probably be fine apart from Citadel chopping everything into a million goddamn pieces, Dickbikes and Aquilons I wouldn't be so sure about, and any potential Sagittari or alternate spear refresh if they bother (still stuck with two HQs + Valdor because fuck you) will probably recycle the new bodies, because the weapons are all on their own sprues.

>>98143578
MilitaCHAD spotted

Any fun rumours brewing up or we can expect silence until end of summer? I would like to see what they are cooking up.

>>98143727
Brother they aren't cooking up shit all you're getting is a journal cooked up by 2 people in a week as marketing fluff for whatever 2 units they decide to release from the wheel of refreshes (they then roll the dice of quality. There are 4 1s, 1 3, and 1 6 on it)

>>98143236
goddamn dude what is this resolution

>>98143727
Maybe the next sets of announcements will give you a Journal Tactica with like two new units cobbled from other models or some shit. 40k 11th is just starting, so that's GW's fixation in the meantime. If Ligma is prone to the three-year cycle despite being way more niche, then maybe it'll get something?

>>98143727
ain't no way we're getting anything significant this close to Armageddon. they gotta funnel all the paypigs into the appropriate pen

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Why do these bolters not come with hands?

>>98144160
Because if you choose to put them on marines you can just cut off the grips with pliers and if you didn't (like when doing casualities for a diorama) you had a complete bolter rather than having to kitbash one. The old 1.0 marines being pretty modular also had hands without weapons so you could easily put resin or plastic bolters or special or heavy weapons on them.

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>>98144178
Do these guys come with a right hand? Doesn't look like it

>>98144185
These are an updated version of the kit after GW started making plastic MKIV, which had one hand on the weapon and had started to update all weapons to fit with the new system.

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>>98144185
Gotta go further back, before plastic HH marines.

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>>98144242

Why can't regular breachers use melee?

>>98144406
What do you mean by "use melee"?

>>98144406
They would compete too hard with bolter breachers or despoilers. At least one of the 3 units would be useless unless you'd bloat the game with meta rules like 40gay, oh wait...

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>>98141678
I'd use a CSM model as the base. Especially Red Corsairs are almost completely dechaosified anyway AND they lack primaris designs. Also their best model is a chappy. That said, BA might be a legion where I'd go for third party, as they have a decent supply and the RC models might be a little too bland.

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is there a lore reason why female custodes can't fly?

>>98144581
Of course, we can't use this one since he's in mKVII armour.

>>98144672
I wanna buy a box of these and stick one of those jump packs on one of my Blood Angels, that would look sick

>>98144672
Anon it's already a safety hazard to let women behind the wheel of a car

>>98144682
That's a what bunch are doing, Venatari ended up making 40k BA players especially butthurt considering their Primaris Sanguinary Guard got tiny-ass chibi wings.

>>98144672
Tits too heavy

>>98144688
The downgrade sanguinary guard got in 40k was criminal, somebody at GW must actively despise BA

>>98144697
And then the Death Company models were basically the second-worst thing by hardly being any different to the stock kit. I suppose I can't blame them when everyone else divergent was finally getting more drip back into their armies.

I have a question for esteemed anons here, me and some friends started playing HH as "get away from W&K" thing. I decided to build 20000pts Siege Force.
I need help with somehow squeezing what I have in to those detachments. Here is my lists

Command
1x Cataphractii Praetor : Cataphractii, Combi-melta, Chainfist.
1x Cataphractii Siege Breaker: Cataphractii, Combi-bolter, Thunder hammer, Cognis-signum, Augury scanner

Elites
5xInner Circle Knights Cenobium : Slayers of Kings


2xSeeker Squad : Frag grenades, Krak grenades
1x Seeker Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Kraken bolter
4x Seeker : Bolt pistol, Kraken bolter

Troops

3xBreacher Squad [180 Point(s)]: Boarding shield, Frag grenades, Krak grenades
1x Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Bolter
1x Legionary : Bolt pistol, Graviton gun
2x Legionary : Bolt pistol, Lascutter
6x Legionary : Bolt pistol, Bolter
Transport
Rhino : Pintle Mounted bolter, Pintle Mounted Bolter, Dozer blad (had 5pts left)
Rhino : Pintle Mounted bolter, Pintle Mounted Bolter
Rhino : Pintle Mounted bolter, Pintle Mounted Bolter

Heavy Assault
Cataphractii Terminator Squad :
1x Cataphractii Terminator Sergeant : Pair of lightning claws , Grenade harness
4x Cataphractii Terminator : Pair of lightning claws

Armour
Vindicator Siege Tank : Demolisher cannon, Hull Mounted Combi-bolter, Dozer blade
Vindicator Siege Tank : Demolisher cannon, Hull Mounted Combi-bolter, Dozer blade


>>98144693
no such thing exists.

>>98140294
it will be dogshit like all nu marks

>>98140831
still no triggers on the spears btw

>>98143281
It is ma'n

>>98144185
>>98144160
Newfag

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>>98145127
It will look like this if the book is anything to go by

>>98145159
Nu-cata artwork also looked acceptable, yet the actual models are so trash even /hhg/ unanimously agreed they're garbage.

>>98145139
Uh, ya of course?

>>98145159
the head will be tiny

>>98145181
welcome aboard the heresy train

>>98145171
The travesty that is nu-cata reminds me to ask, what is the consensus on using 40k terminators as Indomitus termies or Gorgons? The main issue I see is that they’re huge comparitively.

>>98145221
indomitus has been mentioned in lore since 1.0, its fine JUST shave off the cruxes

>>98145221
Yeah the scale is all wrong, too large to use in HH. Seems to be a deliberate move by GW, the plastic EC and Red Corsair models are also in a much too large scale.

>>98145228
Yeah, I have to agree. No reason to make the EC guys and what would be perfect Blackshield stand-ins with RC so huge other than to try and limit cross-compatibility. Greedy cunts.

>>98145221
If you have older terminator models then they work fine, it's just the newest models that have acalencreeped a bit.

Do remember that characters and officers don't use the stuff though. It's considered bottom tier trash like Mk V armor and Casteferum dreads.

>>98145253
I don’t have any of the old or new. I’ll probably just grab up a couple boxes of Tartaros before it gets done like Cataphractii did.

>>98145225
Why. There are cruxes on HH era time models both in terminator and power armour, from decades ago.

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>>98145253
My shattered legions guys are happy, when they don't have to use chains or metal cords to keep their armour parts together. And officers wear what they like. There is a slowly degrading/mutating warmonger in my army whose has his hands replaces with dreadnought chain fist blades wears the bottom half of a cataphract armour and is naked belly up, because his muscles and bone growth don't fit in to any armour.

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Decided to pop the old MkIII heads on my tactical squad, now I need more. I have enough to cover a 20 man tactical squad and a vet breacher squad, but then I’m left with 30 more MkIII bodies with no heads. Anyone have any experience with Tortuga’s? They seem like the most reliable place to get some.

>>98145281
Post proof

>>98145439
I like tortuga, I bought mkIII breacher heads from them

>>98145482
Nice. I’m looking at their site and I’m considering making a big order from them. I like their classic MkII helmets and their (not) Medusan Immortals. Bionic MkIII heads look cool for IH breachers too.

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>>98145477
here you go unbeliver. a nice unbroken red sword, and black armour. 40+ year old art. making me go through old files of porn and outside drives ;/

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>>98145521
Is there something indicating that that's from the heresy? That was their paint scheme until around M38 or M39, so while cool, I don't think that it proves much without further context.

>>98143570
Angels tears. Ophanim.

>>98144581
I play NL, im just pilfering everyone elses models because why not.

>red corsairs
Now thats an idea. Might be a tad too modern in places, but I like the cut of that guys jib, even if he has a headsmans axe rather than a crozius.

>>98144672
Their boobs serve as ballast and keep them anchored to the ground. Its clearly canon that female custodes have the equivalent of a maxed out 7b slider under that armor.

>>98145221
Indomitus IS 40k terminator armor (minus crux). Gorgons are apparently modified indomitus.

>>98145206
t-thanks

>>98145521
there's a lot of rogue trader influence on 30k, but that doesn't mean rogue trader art is inherently 30k appropriate, let alone indicative of canon.

>>98145521
Anon there are absolute limits to pulling out older art to prove a point. The details of the heresy have changed since the earliest mentions of it in the lore, the very earliest examples of RT are not gospel, theyre simply a cool source of inspiration.

The crux terminatus is very explicitly a symbol terminators only gained in recognition for their service during the boarding of the vengeful spirit or however that sotry goes, apocryphally(?) imbued with fragments of the emperors armor and all that shit. This isnt some newfangled thing they pulled out of their ass, its been 40k lore since before HH was a game.

Findign art of a terminator with one in what is supposed to be the pre-hh means either you found art from before that lore was written, or you found an example of an artist making a goof.

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>>98145756
it's not even art stated to be about 30k or anything, it's just art from the back of the rtb9 terminator box

>>98145806
Well there we go, its even less proof of anything.
Taking inspiration from that to paint a sick orange and red checker pattern chainfist on your DG terminator? Cool.
Using it to defend not convering your 40k models to fit in better? Kinda lame.

Also I have to say the assault cannon really gained some weight over the years, look at how slim it used to be!

Jesus fucking christ people, just do what you want/think is cool with your figs. If theres lore saying indom exists, then fucking use it after scraping the crux off. Quit coming in here and shitting up threads bitching at each other about whose lore is correct and whose isnt, its fucking gay.

>>98145617
Litteraly in Book of Astronomicon the description is Pre-Deathwing DA terminator.

>>98145701
the red books have everything with them. Double headed eagle chest plates, crux terminators. Indominatus terminators. Purity seals/Oaths of Moment. Etc. In modern days you can have officials GW material say that, unit X wears Horus Heresy era armour and uses HH era weapons. Yet the rivit counter go ape shit. Heck you can have a new metal model from 6-7th ed that has in its description MK [heresy era exist type armour] and you will be told that no "masters of the chapter" are no kosher for HH.

>>98145756
As a person my age, I follow the rule explained to me by my Ancient Middle East professor. "Older source is always better" and the fresher the source the more wrong it is. If it was good enough for RT and 2ed , it is good enough now.

For christ sake there are dead dudes in red books in mk 7 power armour. Emperors children If I remember correctly. Anyway I have lectures till 18:30 today, and in this heat my tolerance on explaining the obvious is low.

>>98145886
>Litteraly in Book of Astronomicon the description is Pre-Deathwing DA terminator
Yes, we see it's a pre-bone white deathwing terminator, but that doesn't do much in terms of proving it's from the Horus Heresy. They swapped paint schemes after fending off a broodlord around "a thousand years ago," so there's around an 8000-9000 year time span when they used that color scheme.

Yes, they used that color scheme during the heresy, but there's nothing showing that that terminator was, itself, from the heresy.

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>>98145159
>picrel
Obviously based on the old resin mk4, look at the feet
There's another pic which looks more modern but it's just an updated fw mk4 which means one of two things
>1) GW is retarded enough to redesign every mark of armor, except one
or
>2) GW is retarded enough to make updated artworks mixed with old artworks where neither are accurate to the actual updated design

I think there's a strong case to be made that Mk4 was the only mark which wasn't redesigned as part of their 3 year plan and thus is gonna get a shit/barely different design.

I still hope Numk4 will be in line with little horus aximand, but if not then I'm willing to spend big money to make it into an STL

On a side note, I'm still puzzled as to why Numk2 has the side clamps for extra armor that not even numk3 uses. Picrel are the clamps used with extra armor

>>98140772
Third edition is the only edition of a GW game I've played where other people I play with who started playing this edition want to play the previous edition instead. Occasionally people will want to try a much, much older version of something for novelty reasons, but not straight up play the last one.

>>98145842
no one is saying you can't use indomitus terminators though? they have rules, and are officially supported in the game

>>98145842
>then fucking use it after scraping the crux off
Cruxes are canon via FW using the dead marines and 40k tartaros resins.

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Bashed together a Seeker Sergeant for my Sons of Horus. Rest of the squad is still WIP, but I'll try to finish those up tomorrow.

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>>98146665
Also started work on a Decurion for when my Falchion arrives. Hoping this dude works out, the tolerances are very narrow because he has to interface with the hatch.

>>98145806
there is something rather sweet about the elite of a Chapter being all like "hey look at this cool rock I found" after a battle

>>98146665
Why is he doing the "jacking off invisible penis" hand sign?

>>98146735
He’s impersonating your dad.

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>>98146357
Care to elaborate on that a bit? I'm genuinely curious.

>>98146735
Listening to Guilliman talk on enemy comms

>>98146776
At least he knows my dad...

>>98145886
>if it was good enough for rt
What kits do I need to kitbash my half eldar librarians? Also let's put on our thinking hats and consider why older sources are better for archeology purposes and how that would relate to a fictional universe.

>>98146665
>SoH weapon pack
Does the terminator hand work on nucata I wonder

>>98145886
>"Older source is always better" and the fresher the source the more wrong it is. If it was good enough for RT and 2ed , it is good enough now
I hope youre ready for the showdown between the emperor and imperial army commander horus in horus' bunker then.

>>98146937
Hand size is very different

>>98145055
You should get a land raider or two, because god knows cata terminators do not do well waddling up the board. Youre lucky to get a turn 3/4 charge with them.

Grab two land raiders and youre basically set however, since you have basically all your bases covered (some shooting of various sorts, some line scoring, mobility for said line)

>>98147009
sad, cheers

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Pardon the boxposting, but I've got this in mail toda.
I am definitely gonna work on this when I'm fone with my Fire Raptor.

>>98147212
Damn, I need to go to sleep already, I can't type for shit.

>>98147212
I want one of these or a Mastodon as a centerpiece for my Iron Hands. One day.

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>>98147212
I feel really done with infantry, all I think about making is big vehicles or walkers. I'd like a flyer but not a resin one.

>>98147326
Maybe GW is afraid of giving us plastic marine flyers in HH, because they know their capacity would not be able to keep up with the demand.

Just found a guy on ebay selling the falchion for about 160 and the spartan prometheus for 80 with free shipping, seems like a steal for each one.

>>98147347
Nah I don't think they'd be popular. Collectors would love them but not the players and James cares more about them

>>98147359
If they're on ebay you probably can't steal them.

>>98147326
You haven't painted any infantry, fool. Thirty centurions doesn't count.

>>98147363
You're severely under-estimate how many people are foaming at the mouth to get their hands on a fire raptor that doesn't make you wanna shoot yourself during assembly. Not to mention there already being tons of people who got the xiphon, despite it never being all that great in the game. That thing has sold so much purely on how cool it looks.

>>98147407
I specifically said collectors

What centurions are worth getting as terminators if I fucking hate land raiders? I have a normal one I can DS in with atramentar prime benefits. Maybe a warmonger to drag a unit along? Mind you the legion terminators can already do that, but maybe for siege tartaros?

>>98146735
He is actually one of Fulgrim's sons.

>>98147418
Nta but I intend to get the plastic storm eagles to play drop assault vanguard in 1.0.

I wish the kheres assault cannon was better.

rise up o' militia bros
against these marine men with their marine hearts and marine minds
>tfw eater-indentured baseliners

>>98147462
I mean deep strike melee is kinda ass so shooting units seem like the pick, yeah.

>>98147539
It's still paying penance for its crimes in 1.0. It would probably be alright if it didn't cost fucking fifteen points.

>>98147620
Just make it breaching 5+ or something. More shots with "better" ap than the autocannon, but lower S, range, and only D1.

>>98147625
That could work. Just anything that doesn't make it look worse than the bolt cannon, which is free by the way

>>98147586
I’m building Iron Hands but thinking about starting a cultist tide Word Bearers themed militia after reading about the Bitter War. Regular human goons are neat.

>>98147635
the bolt cannon being finally good is great, a weapon that sexy looking has no right being trash.

>>98147997
True. It's just a shame the kheres assault cannon is so underwhelming.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xUgFwpjMCIY

>>98148040
True.

>>98147586
Bought a bunch of WGA Grognards for /awg/ purposes, but I might start playing HH with them as Militia.

>>98148043
>shorts
Buy an ad

>>98147359
Thanks for the cheap Spartans, I needed two more of those

>>98146900
I know you are making fun of the retard but, I’ve actually thought about that recently. I reckon the (awful) mk6 resin librarian and the eldars warlock kit should have all the bits you may need. Apparently the guy had a las-pistol instead of a bolt pistol or shuriken pistol. But I can’t find the original source that backs that claim so..

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i think i prefer the classic armor i will probably use the nuMk III body as something like an Optae or some shit like that.

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>>98146780
nta, but some of the old forgeworld heresy models, like the old tartaros terminators, were originally made for 40k, and as such included 40k specific iconography like the crux terminatus, and chest aquilas/imperialis. I can't think of specific examples, but I assume some forgeworld publications, especially early ones, from before there was really a dedicated 30k model range, would have used pictures of models like this, and the marines casualties kit (which is clad in mk VII), for the backgrounds.

Do I give my IW praetor a crest helmet or not? Feels kinda gay, might go with a plain helmet instead.

>>98146357
>>98148244
those 40k tartaros were intitally made for badab war, so they are not 30k canon just because FW is sloppy in the black books.

>>98145501
Just beware the tortuga body minis are primaris size and a bit bigger than heresy nu-scale minis, the heads are the old scale tho.

They just had a sale in May, they will probably have another sale late summer again so maybe wait on that order for a 20% off.

>>98148221
classic armour best armour

>>98148404
>being insecure about helmet crests
Archetypal Iron Warrior

>>98148439
Thanks for the tip, but it’s too late lol. I bought some MkII heads, MkIII breacher heads and some of their Medusan Immortals.

>>98148460
Fair enough, have fun with your project anon.

>>98148456
Just thinking out loud, I'll go no crest and an iron skull helmet instead. Crests are gay.

>>98148544
Thanks, dude!

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Could the Horus heresy book series have really worked?
I recall being into warrior cats books as a kid and that series worked and had multiple authors and seems to still be going just fine today.
What went right with warrior cats that went wrong with the Horus heresy series?

>>98147212
Has any graphics design team leaked the process for making the box art for these kinds of pics?

I hope you have fun on your new project!

>>98148221
I've always wondered, when a mini has prominent print lines like that, does it show through a basecoat? If so, what's the best way to remove them since they cover the entire miniature?

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Looks like Flying Wheelchairs are back on the menu, boys!

https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/sella-rotalis-volans-adhara
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/sella-rotalis-volans-adh-tam

>>98149382
Kek

>>98149382
>Iron Hands after losing all their dreadnoughts at Isstvan

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>3.0 launched
>My AL praevian could no longer bring the squad of 6 vorax I had build and painted
>Fast forward to Tallarn journal
>Can now field my vorax again and give them infiltrate with the cohorts vagus rules
Fucking neat.

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>>98149382
>look at the actual link
>it's a fucking perfect sculpt
>and it's FREE
Remind me, why do we even need GW anymore?

>>98149734
Because theres no bullock pattern jetbikes on there, there should be a thousand of them and there isnt....I just want HHV styled jetbikes....

>>98149758
Be the change you want to see in the world.
I know asking you to learn 3d sculpting is a bit much, but if this guy puts this stuff out for free, surely someone can just... commission him to make it?

>>98149758
There are sculpts somewhere. I know because I saw them.
>>98149382
I avoided posting that guy here because GW is always watching but he's my favourite sculptor and I plan to print a bunch of his mk2 sculpts for a we recon company once I finish my ligma things.

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>>98149780

>>98149789
That's... fine, but not quite my tempo.

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Does anybody know where pic related is from?
A fan work?
I’m hoping it is fan made so I can hope harder that instructions were added to making pics like pic related.

>>98149879
Book 1: Betrayal, pg. 266. The MkIV in the background is also on pg. 126.

>>98149966
Thanks.
I hope some autists will make a pdf compilation of all those kinds of model images.
With sources too.
And hopefully a tard proof guide for people to make their own.
I’m too dumb to know where to properly start.

>>98149984
I have always wanted something like this but for the hh color plates and formations. Imagine something like lexicanum but actually good that lists obscure details like a handful of the ships that fought at /your favourite/ battle. Which units were mentioned in the fluff/plates/background images.

10 man flamer squad in a drill, yay or nay?

>>98150302
Can be effective at scaring line units off an objective, and will do a ton of Str 4 hits if you place the models right. But don't expect any miracles from it.

>>98150413
Its 130pts for the squad + 80(?) for the drill, so its not exactly like I need miracles from it. Just thinking it might be fun to pop up and melt some dudes.

RIP john blanche.

>>98150449
That is very reasonable of you, anon. Something I didn't expect to see in this forsaken place.

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>>98150506
>looks real
God fucking dammit. Rest your soul you wonderful man.

May John Blanche rest in peace. Creator of the Warhammer vibe for both 40k, HH and Fantasy.

>>98150506
>>98150547
RIP

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>>98150506
>>98150547
We lost a legend. Rest in piece.

>>98149984
I tried to do something like that once in highschool, almost 20 years ago. I reckon it’s basically intense photoshop work. >take pictures of the models and the background
>overlay everything to make your composition
>remove the bases and other immersion breaking things
>add special effects like muzzle blasts
>add filters and fx on top
>?????
>profit
If you have photoshop you can probably attempt it. Even gimp may be able to do that kind of job (and it’s free). I don’t think it’s difficult beyond having some artistic eye. Just laborious.

>>98150302
I wanna do something similar with a drop pod and either breachers or some melta weaponry.

>>98150763
Thats another idea. 10 man melta squad up the ass, for when I want to remove a baneblade or whatever.

>>98150763
>>98150766
There's a local player doing that with a multi-melta HSS. Having seen it an action multiple times convinced me to also start building a melta squad to put in a drop pod.

>>98150775
>pay extra for multi meltas, weapon whos main advantage over meltaguns is longer range
>deep strike 1" behind ass of enemy tank

>>98150782
The 2" longer melta range can matter when people see the melta drop pod and try to keep their tank's tender booty hole un-violated.

>>98148221
>shield
Sauce? Especially if no emblem

>>98150506
Rest in peace. His art is wonderful.

>>98149984
https://files.catbox.moe/1lac0u.pdf
It's possible

>>98150506
RIP. Loved his Middle Earth art.

>>98149300
you mean like the torso? the only part that would need cleaning/sanding is the crotch plate since it is the only place that i can feel the "texture" of the print line, the rest should disappear after the basecoat and painting.

>>98150848
PF Fafnir Rann, it includes a blank version

>>98150848
you know what anon? i am in a really good mood today https://gofile.io/d/EhpPAa

>>98144703
The primaris Death Company models aren’t even separate models, they’re just regular ass primaris models with the new BA upgrade kit optionally tacked on.

Dunno how every other special SM faction got fleshed out. Even Ultramarines got new great looking stuff, somehow BA ended up the odd one out with the laziest redesigns possible.

>>98144688
Any examples of these kitbashes? Haven’t seen any myself, but the custodes jump pack seems like it’d be a bit too large for regular space marines.

>>98151548
i know it is not that much since they are still primaris but the space wolves release which was just after the BA one was much better in term of uniqueness

>>98151518
>https://gofile.io/d/EhpPAa
King.

>>98145623
What are Ofanim even good for, anyways? Seems like they’re entirely outclassed by regular command squads. Even veteran assault squads have better damage output.

>>98151582
Veteran assault squads have essentially the same damage output as command squads, the difference is that you can pay some more for 2+ armor.

Ophanim have their genuinely rather nasty swords that let them duel characters pretty reasonably.

Thoughts on using rewards of treachery kakophoni as "generic experiemntal weapons"? Im thinking of a small allied AL detachment, and that sounds like a fun inclusion.

The idea would be that theyre a small borderline blackshields force (using Al rules), a small renegade company using all manner of dirty tactics and cutting edge stuff as they sell their services to whoever can provide for their needs.

>>98151518
Who sculpted this? It's quite nice.

>>98151582
they're 2+/5++/5+++ in Challenges, and they can all do Challenges so there's no benefit to trying to snipe one out

the turn they charge they're hitting at S7 so half their hits on your Satties are AP2 and half of those are D2; they also don't run away or get Cursed as often as Praetorians

>>98151677
Phillyflash, the guy did a lot of nice near 1:1 proxies until some drama or james nuked his discord and end up deleting most of his stuff from cults/instagram. He said he retired as a sculptor, but rumors say he still makes stuff more privately now since there is a proont guy that sell physical stuff that was never released on his old discord.

>>98151751
>some drama or james nuked his discord
He nuked his own stuff because he was a faggot who, ironically, was mad people kept giving his stuff out for free on telegram