>>98156284
Playing Ventrue so I'll just do a little D&C. Easy peasy.

>>98156284
I feel like half of them will defeat themselves. Call it judging the book by the cover.

>>98156284
There's a version of this pic I've seen with a guy who's eating a whole head of lettuce while reading a book on the myth of the female orgasm

>>98156664
All but the top left guy are almost certainly mages, so yeah. Paradox is a bitch

>>98157114
>All but the top left guy are almost certainly mages
Im not the most familiar with Mage but i would assume top right would be Celestial Chorus, bottom left would be Virtual Adept, center bottom would be Sons of Ether. center top would have Life as his main shpere and the bottom right would have Entropy as his main sphere.

>>98157271
>bottom right: Euthanatoi
>top left: Euthanatoi (Jhor edition)
>center top: Akashic Brother

I miss hedgefag ;(

>>98157318
He literally posted last thread and you were too dense to notice.

>>98157271
Left to right, top to bottom:
>either a tzimisce vampire or a nephandi
>cult of ecstasy mage
>celestial chorister
>virtual adept
>order of hermes mage
>hollow one

>>98157390
For top left i was thinking Bone Gnawer inbetween homid and crinos form

>>98157412
Too evil looking to be a BG in glabro, maybe a black spiral dancer

>>98156284
Top right: Lancea Daeva
Botton Right: Circle of the crone mekhet

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Am I misunderstanding how Zulo Form works? I'm slowly adding different alterations such as pincers, spikes, venom, stinger, etc. with the STV Viscissitude Expanded supplement (every modification has an XP cost) but I was wondering if they really have to be permanent modifications to the base humanoid shape, or if they could be modifications to the Zulo Shape that "pop out" when the form is assumed in order to have a "fighting and hanging out with metamorphosists" mode and a "pass for kine" mode. Will the other fiends laugh at me for not walking around all night in full Zulo and operating under silly things like "The Masquerade" and "not wanting to be targeted by hunters on sight"?

>>98154914 (me)
Thanks for the answers!
So what’s the best ways for home brewing vampires then? Like guidelines for it being done right where WoD and hellsing did it right and maybe even twilight as all those ips gained big followings.
I’m not sure if WoD influenced them all but looking back I think only one source of inspiration was cited for world of darkness’s sources of inspiration for making vamps as they are perceived today and not the original Dracula ones.

>>98157917
I thought Zulo form was primarily for combat. Like you have your day to day form and learning Zulo is important to attaining 'perfection' but its not something you normally bust out all night every night

>>98157917
>en the form is assumed in order to have a "fighting and hanging out with metamorphosists" mode and a "pass for kine" mode. Will the other fiends laugh at me for not walking around all night in full Zulo and operating under silly things like "The Masquerade" and "not wanting to be targeted by hunters on sight"?
even the most hardcore metamorphosists 4th gen yorak had a human form to meet guests in so if someone gives you shit about it then it's just because they want to give you shit

>Am I misunderstanding how Zulo Form works? I'm slowly adding different alterations such as pincers, spikes, venom, stinger, etc. with the STV Viscissitude Expanded supplement (every modification has an XP cost) but I was wondering if they really have to be permanent modifications to the base humanoid shape
not sure how the stv book does it but in canon there is no such thing as a permanent Viscissitude alteration that you can't do away yourself however you would have to manually redo all the extra changes to your form after taking the zulo form so that might take a while

again i don't have STV Viscissitude Expanded but normally you would probably have a prefered "normal" form
a full on zulo custom form
a "fuck i got suprised and i have to fight" just zulo form in case you get attacked in your human form
and maybe a "all changes beside zulo form" form for formal sabbat and tzimisce events or something

>>98156284
We got four magical girls, a shoggoth larping as a magical girl, some guy moving water with his mind, a pooka kinain with an 80mm mortar, and a mage from Mengele's knockoff Technocracy. Yeah, we'd win.

Anyway, all the talk of Tremere making glasses out of people and Brujah being ragebaited by shittalking Carthage has me thinking. What kind of music would you guys use to torture a Toreador? I think Minecraft Won't Add Inches to Your Cock might be a fun one.

>>98158316
> What kind of music would you guys use to torture a Toreador? I think Minecraft Won't Add Inches to Your Cock might be a fun one

a mix that switches genres and soundbites fast so that if the toreador catches something beautiful that would hit the clan weakness it's already gone and replaced with something completely different

>>98158316
>What kind of music would you guys use to torture a Toreador?
Merzbrow but I'd recommend a sensory deprivation tank or a white room instead.

>>98158316
japanoise

>>98158368
Very good. That might be more effective than what I had considered of just finding the average soundcloud rapper.

>>98158378
Why not both? Deprive them of all stimulation except a 24/7 loop of horrid music for months while staked.

>>98158386
Understandable.

>>98158316
>What kind of music would you guys use to torture a Toreador?
Prolly something like this https://youtu.be/4Ms7NeWzRK0?si=C1n0riA8X3x_o3Av

>>98158466
Dear God... It's perfect anon.

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Gonna take a gamble and hope none of my players read this. Hidden markers on the Siege of Kouri I have them doing. Yes, that is a wrecked UFO belonging to Jewish aliens. Yes, it radiates 32 yards of violent schizophrenia, and yes, he Malkavians did move into it.

>>98158720
Hey Kyle. Don't fucking worry I'm definitely going to use this to my advantage.

>>98158781
Nice one. That said, the only shit they haven't seen are the UFO and Romuald's Encampment. If they wanna fuck with those without preparation, they'll probably just die.

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>>98157983
>>98158243
After investigating it seems yes, Zulo is meant for combat, experimentation, and MAYBE metamorphosists hangouts.

Following Yorak's example, the character will keep the human shape for utilitarian purposes while pursuing Metamorphosis.
>you would have to manually redo all the extra changes to your form after taking the zulo form
After having checked codebooks, clanbooks etc., I've found nothing related to this, and because redoing it every single time sounds boring and in-game time I've decided it should work like this:
Doing an alteration for the first time on the Zulo shape should take hours of work as described in the STV book.

After the alterations are finished and some meditation on the new shape is done, the user may change into the modified Zulo form after 3 turns (taking a page off the Lasombra Tenebrous Form).
If surprised, only the benefits of the regular Zulo form apply after 1 turn.
An augmented human form may also be acquired for royal Sabbat events/ceremonies, following the same rules (which is what Andrei wears any time we see him in Bloodlines).

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Tools and similar bonuses are difficulty adjustments in oWoD instead of dice like nWoD, right?

Under what circumstances could a mortal have a dicepool over 10?

I'm feeling an sudden urge to see how comically large of an Attribute + Ability roll a hunter (or maybe a sorcerer, but just a human mortal and not a Mage or Imbued) can possibly get.

How does one tell what a created Fetish could do?

I'm seeing sample Fetishes in W20, I'm seeing the Rite of the Fetish for creating one, but nothing for the determining the outcome, rough limits on what a custom one can do, or even if the number of successes in the Wits + Rituals rolls determines the level/gnosis of the fetish or not.

I don't know if I'm blind and missing the obvious, misreading or misunderstanding something, if the rules are elsewhere, if they just don't exist and you're supposed to rely on vibes, or what.

I was thinking about homebrew covenants and came up with an idea about an off-shoot of the lancea except jewish. Their blood magic had something to do with Kabbalah and they called non kindred goy. Then I realized I'd probably sound like a nut case telling this to anyone, but I'll do it anyway.

>>98159548
Vibes. The crunchier WoD systems get, the worse they become. Fetishes are whatever the ST wants them to be and however many dots the ST wants them to be.

>>98159308
Personally, i always saw Zulo in sort of the same way I see a werewolf's homid and crinos form. Using Andrei as an example, he has his 'normal' form that we see for most of the game but when we fight him he shifts into his zulo form. When he shifts back he will look like how we normally see him. I think with the zulo form, the tzimisce would need to spend the time to augment it to their liking in much the same way they had to spend time changing from their newly embraced form.

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The TechnocRAT instinctively fears the EtherBVLL

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>>98159670
>like how we normally see him.
Yeah, the skill issue in my character's setup is Andrei is an Elder who doesn't give a fuck about passing for Human. I feel like not looking like that, not making the changes in your base form, means you shouldn't be anywhere near Azhi Dahaka and therefore an Idiotic Lummox of the path of Metamorphosis

>setites are just satanists
I feel dumb that I only realized this recently.

MtAs 20th edition question: can a single PC theoretically have as many Practices as they want, within reason so long as the whole Focus stays internally consistent? M20 core book rules says that there's a hard max 3 Practices limit, but Book of Secrets and other books detail premade PC and NPC builds with up to 4 Practices.

>>98159504
Use the Demon Translation Guide table and you should be fine.

>>98158316
Probably Mourning Glory by Ween. Or start with that and cycle through all their brown songs.

>>98160387
To be fair no one really cares about them.

>>98160001
>I feel like not looking like that
Didnt say you had to. It was just an example. The point is if you used Vicissitude to alter your 'homid' form then those changes would be locked in. It could be something as simple as changing your hair color and a rhinoplasty but the alterations you made would still be there when you shift out of your Zulo form.

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>>98161162
>if you used Vicissitude to alter your 'homid' form then those changes would be locked in
Fair enough, that makes sense. Under the same logic, changes to the zulo form would also be locked in.
I will go with "yes, it is allowed" and stick to 2 forms total rather than 4 to simplify. Then one just need to carefully modify each base form once for the changes to stick as the new default.

>>98160553
As long as it makes sense and creates an interesting character with a cool approach to magic, I don't think your ST will give a shit. It only becomes a problem if you give your character every single Practice and Instrument so that he can do magic using almost anything.

>>98161738
Yeah that’s what I meant by "within reason". And having all Instruments is pointless anyway since Instruments are meant to be progressively discarded.

>>98160387
Elaborate?
Not that anyone gives a shite about some snake LARPers, but still

How do you use Presence in your games?

>>98162452
No, Dominate is more important.

>>98162452
No, Vicissitude is more important.

>>98162452
No, my dick is more important.

>>98162452
No, Dementation is more important.

>>98162452
No, Thaumaturgy is more important

>>98162452
No, obeah is more important

>>98162452
No, Auspex is more important.

>>98162452
as the first thing to communicate to new players the difference between in character and out of character knowledge given that the player obviously must know that presence was used on them but that the character is unaware of it

>>98162670
C-c-c-combo breaker!

Damn the general is really slow today...

>>98156284
Shark here. No game last week and this week too. But ST gave us 12 exp, and spared our teenage tzimisce prostitute the wrath of her sire by skipping her mini-arc to start the next big one. We’re about to enter a journey to Egypt to find a vampire who stole someone else’s body!

Yeah, we’re finally moving forward with resurrecting Anubis. The 5th (4th?) gen Cappadocian/Setite Methusalah with the body of a White Howler Legend. Specifically the tribe’s founder and namesake.

So like before I’m investing my exp on Koldunism. The Kraina of Enoch to be exact. With the exp I’m about to get my fourth dot.

>Wrath of the Tempest
>All those within the radius must succeed on a Willpower roll (difficulty 8) each turn or gain a derangement and enter a strange fugue state (described on Derangements) called a “Harrowing” as the storm warps memories, trapping those within in an internal labyrinth of regret, depression, and hopelessness for the rest of the scene.

What I’m curious is, for Wraiths being in a Harrowing send them to the black labyrinth where they have to resolve their issues. If they fail they are sent to oblivion. Would kindreds be subject to that thanks to this power? And if yes, and if they fail, would their souls be sent to oblivion or only their minds? I’m hoping for the latter so I could diablerise them.

>>98157917
Any link to the book? I’m trying without success to find it in the mega

>>98163319
Not every harrowing ends in the wraith's destruction. That's a specific type called a Destruction Harrowing. A more standard Targeted Harrowing happens when a wraith's fetter is destroyed or their passions start waning too much, with the end result being that the wraith gets ejected to a fetter.
It's also possible to have a group harrowing of any of the above types where multiple wraiths have to work together to escape.
Basically? I'd have this spell cause a Targeted (or group if there's multiple targets failing) Harrowing. Save or die would be too much. Especially since the spell only says 'for the rest of the scene'.

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The link in OP
https://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ
STV drop rebrandly link
OwOd>V20
And at the very bottom

If anyone else knows of other hidden gems in there do let us know. The Quick Combat book is a blessing in my opinion, Combination Discipline Compilation and I recall Clanbook Gargoyle being fun too.

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Chronicles of Fagness

>>98163528
Meant for
>>98163390

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>>98163528
>we are never getting a copy of milano by night

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Since the general's slow, here's a character concept for every major clan. I've either played them or thought that's what I'd pick if I did. Rate/post yours.

Assamite - Red List Mercenary Sniper
Brujah - Archaeologist of the True Brujah secretly seeking to steal Temporis
Cappadocian - The Plague Bride, Plague Student and Collector
Gangrel - Caveman man out of time
Lasombra - Thrillseeking Gangster
Malkavian - Tarot-based Neoceltic History Major
Nosferatu - Garbage Man/Masquerade Janitor. Cleaning expert.
Ravnos - Getaway Driver
Salubri -Scholar Monk of Saulot's True Story
Setite - Fat Ugly Bastard Priest of the Black Magdalene
Toreador - Fire Dancer trying her hardest to overcome the Kindred fear of fire.
Tremere - Stressed Chantry Gunsmith, pyramid slave and maker of magical arms
Tzimisce - Porn Film Actress with Insect Fixation
Ventrue - Extremely Petty HOA President Old Lady, gif related

>>98163689
>Nosferatu - Garbage Man/Masquerade Janitor. Cleaning expert.
Wasn't someone like that supposed to appear in bloodlines 2?

>Setite - Fat Ugly Bastard Priest of the Black Magdalene
Based

>>98163689
>Gangrel - Caveman man out of time
Y'know... You ever wonder if an antediluvian ever embraced a Neanderthal?

>>98163800
Those fuckers were all embraced in the first city. Where would they even find a neandertal in the copper age Middle East?

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I don't want to be a Setite anymore.

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>>98163913
>brujah girl getting SNAKED

>>98163905
Didnt a bunch of them travel the world? Saulot and Ravnos definitely traveled throughout Asia. Lasombra traveled all the way to Kenya.

>>98163913
Were you embraced into the clan or are you a convert?

>>98163979
>Didnt a bunch of them travel the world?
After the city was destroyed. Ravnos specifically was embraced much much later, probably after the flood when Cain found a group of Romani Silent Striders.

>>98163528
>>98163565
I have no idea how to access it

>>98163319
Idle question, have you played any of the other worlds of darkness? Chronicles/Monte/Curseborne?

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>>98164053
It's the second link in the pastebin.

>>98163913
only thing i can offer is the baali or pander pill

What reasonable ways are there to get mind reading for a Human+?

Auspex 4 would be beyond most ghouls. Maybe some sorcery path, or a Kinfolk fetish or Totem Gift?

>>98164085
Psychic numina - Telepathy

>>98164085
>What reasonable ways are there to get mind reading for a Human+?
Psychics are a thing in the Sorcerer revised book but I don't remember the details beyond the fact they have lot of borderline useless powers and flaws so you can make some really low power guys.

>>98163905
well the first city was before the flood and we know montano was around when the first humans left africa and that [lasombra] already back then was a idiot and needed a while to figure out how to embrace people as he would just kill entire tribes and wonder why none of them came back as vampires so there could be gangrel who are older than that

now this is a complete outlier in terms of age given vtm's creationist new earth world building where the world is only around 14.000 years old but if you go with that then where would you get a neandertal from at all?

>>98164076
Welp, tried it again but all I get is a message saying that the server can’t be found

>>98164148
>tzitrash can't understand modern technology
Many such cases.

>>98164148
Same

>>98164148
>Anon statted 1 Int
You're not supposed to enter the text itself as-is on the pastebin. You're supposed to join it all into a rebrand.ly link. And then you add the STV text at the end.

Roll Intelligence+Computer, difficulty 7 because you have no dots in it

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>Changeling: The Dreaming

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>>98164148
>>98164182

>>98165312
Go easy on me anon, i was never tech savy and the last 10 months have been very traumatic. You know its legit when your boss tells you to take days off and he will still pay you without using your PTO.

>>98164514
I managed to find it.
Though I had to spend willpower to get a single success

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Would ninjas vs vampires be too silly?
I really really really want to run a game where the players think they’re up against the government, or fellow kindred.
Then boom. Six fucking ninja appear and start throwing shurikens.

>>98166121
I could see an order of ninja vampire hunters, it could be cool, especially with asia as underexplored as it is in the setting you can kinda do anything

>>98166121
Yes, it's silly.
But it's your fucking game. If your players like this kind of thing, embrace the silliness.
Add a hot female ninja to flirt with one of the PCs

>>98166121
too silly depends on the tone of the rest of the campaign.
also ninja isn't a faction, it's a type of combatant

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>>98166121
...
you are in WoD general, why haven't you heard of Demon Hunter X?

Go out there and have some fun.

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To add to my point above,
>>98166218
yes, do that! Here, straight from the books if you want to use it.

>>98166365
>those kanji tattooed on her ass
kek

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>>98166365
>Shih
Very subtle, White Wolf.

>>98166212
>The only thing worse than a filthy gaijin is a gaijin bloodsucker

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>>98167273

Some time ago an anon said he didn't like some of the changes in CtL 2e but never explained what exactly
Can anyone tell me what really changed? what changelings can and can't do in each edition?

>>98167433
>>98167433
>Least subtle LostChud
Funny how this never asked about MtAw, MtR, PtC, GtSE. Why don’t you ever bring up these splats out of nowhere? Hmmm, curious.

>>98167680
>Why don’t you ever bring up these splats out of nowhere?
Because those have a lot less changed or the changes are a lot less interesting to talk about?

>>98167680
>MtR, PtC
These games have unconventional game design that tends to scare a lot of players away from investigating them further, let alone play them.
>MtAw
It is commonly agreed that the second edition stripped away all risk associated with magic and there isn't really anything of interest worth talking about.
>GtSE
I'm personally a fan, but a lot of people seem to consider the Underworld of WtO more appealing and the second edition is plagued by the whole "ghosts were never actually people" thing.

>>98167433
Contracts were a huge change, from 1-5 dot powers based on how VtR's work into discreet, specific powers sorted into Regalia, which each Seeming has one that they always get and the PC gets another they choose, and can freely learn any from those two but need a teacher for Contracts from other Regalia, and Court Contracts. Both types are divided into Common and Royal tier.

The other was a major down-tuning of what Pledgecrafting could be used for. There's a lot of disagreement about it, but in 1E it was so flexible and XP-cheap that in many cases buying contracts instead of just negotiating a Pledge for the same or better effect was always the better move.

>>98167880
>and XP-cheap that in many cases buying contracts instead of just negotiating a Pledge for the same or better effect was always the better move.
Worded this badly, but contracts were more expensive for same or lesser effects.

>>98167827
I like the underworld of geist but I've also never read anything about wraith

>>98167880
From my understanding 2e added a bunch of news stuff as base splat abilities. Were there any base powers (like Talecrafting) that weren't ported into 2e?

>>98166121
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Mage:_The_Ascension
>Go Kamisori Gama
So apparently there are magic cyber ninja wizards. I know nothing about them but that sounds fun

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>PoV: A Tzmisice just engineered a new entity to ruin everyones' lives again...

>>98168039
>V*mpires stealing mage inventions again

>>98168104
Tziggers ARE mages (in their own way)

>>98168121
Sorry, only True Magik will do. You can take your sorcery and join the sleepercattle subhumans.

>>98168039
>tzitrash created shitbulls
And you fuckers complain about the Tremere.

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What kind of poisons could reasonably kill a BSD? I am making a muder mystery where a kinfolk spikes the stash of a Sect leader leading to a civil war in the region.

>>98168533
In theory anything that can kill a normal garou should kill a BSD, but in practice it’s unlikely to work because they are one of the tribes that have access to Resist Toxin, so even supernatural poisons might not be enough

>kinfolk is trying to start a civil war among the the local BSDs
That sounds interesting, what’s the story behind it?

>>98168581
>That sounds interesting, what’s the story behind it?
It is a fairly standard succession war plot as the sons of "Warchief Wyatt" fight one another to see who gets the location of Cold War bunker Caern and a lot of stolen military gear. The Ukatena use a bane to start a rumor that the bunker contains a Broken Arrow, leading to a lot of BSDs showing up.
The idea is that one of the kinfolk girls defected out of spite, and the Gaians are just fanning the flame until it burns them too as someone activates the nuke, leading to the Apocalypse.

>>98168533
>>98168581
>>98168690
Oh yeah the idea is that the girl spiked his cocaine with talen botox forcing him to drown in dry land as his lungs became paralized.

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>>98168772
>spiking cocaine

>>98168533
This picture is making me think… And I think The Thing could conquer the planet in WoD, so long as no one kills it in the first month