Blanche Edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>98149552>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread question:If you could a whole new weapon option to an existing unit, what would you pick?
>tqblood warriors with spears
>>98160355Hobgrots with man-catchers for anti-cav or lashes for anti-chaff
>TQStabbas with oversized mallets
>>98160383I love this sculpt so much
>TQ Brute leadbelchersNo, I will not drop this
>>98160410orruks kinda strike me as pre black powder, but i could get behind a ranged unit for ironjawzmaybe something like the old trollbloods impalers who just have massive throwing spears, or a crossbow unit with ropes attached to the bolt so they can reel the target in
>>98160447>>98160450Fuck, new thread.
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>>98160461I need to go to sleep, have a lot of shit on tomorrow.Will post more tomorrow, just let me know what you want to see fellow Morathichads
>>98160452Oh sweet thanks anon, appreciate it
>>98160355Swords on Vanari Wardens or Riverblades with either all twin spears or all swords.
>>98160355>If you could a whole new weapon option to an existing unit, what would you pick?Cryptguard getting shoddy muskets that's fire one shot a game and then are a slightly weaker than halberd weapon.>>98160466YOU KNOW WHAT WAS REQUESTED OF YOU ANON.
Any more rumours on ogors? Kinda tempted to just recast a bunch of picrel and make a thematic army that'll hold up despite a refresh Sculpt some sleaves to permit arm posing and use existing ogor heads/hands so they're about as diverse as a the existing ones
>TQJavelins/short spears for either daughters of khaine/lumineth/kurnoth/malerion if he ever comes back. It’s honestly so disappointing that the only unit to get it has been something as so random as marauders and darkoath.
>>98160697I will say, it is funny than the older type of hand cannon was given to cities but I do like the idea of ghoul kingdoms having more outdated equipment.Actually shit a cool ghoul unit... A cloaked ghoul with a "medicine" cart that's tossing out more ghoul blood. Not like a chariot but more of a support unit, tosses blood to enemy and they get buffs but maybe when in combat with your ghouls they bring models back when they kill people (maybe the concept is more people giving into the madness and reinforcing your guys) >>98160707Nothin' new unfortunately, no new leaks floating around atm.
>>98160707>Any more rumours on ogors?no
>>98160707Nothing new. Lots of current ogre models are "sold out online" and we've been getting some obvious rumour engines, so the release must be imminent>>98160708Idoneth even have a javelin unit in underworlds, should've been an alt build for the thralls
You guys think next edition they might make Nagash an actually viable pick? Right now he feels like absolute god awful shit to bring outside of like the 3 cases where you want him (reinforced morghasts, reinforced blood knights, reinforced morbhegs)He's a 9 cast +1 wizard but his spell is hot shit (d3's D3'S) his melee profile is FINE. 4 fucking attacks and it does basically nothing, hand of dust is funny but there's not many cases Nagash will survive too long if you run him into melee. What the fuck is GW wanting to do with him, he has no shooting profile but he costs nearly 1k points and basically just does the 1 thing. Other god models can even self resurrect but somehow the guy who's done it like 6 times in lore can't do it but Morathi and Alarielle can.How can we save Nagash (I'm gonna give a challenge and say, other than making him severely reduced in points cost or making the resurrect an entire unit thing more than once per game) to make him an interesting big impactful unit to bring.
>>98160771Make him a manifestation
>>98160355Last thread was pretty good. Fun and interesting discussion with minimal shitstirring. Good job guys.>>98160771I'll be honest I have 0 idea how you'd balance a 700 point unit like nagash and co. Isn't alarielle really powerful atm? Do something like that, maybe scaled back a bit.
>>98160783Holy fuck.... I...I actually wouldn't mind that... an expensive manifestation like the krondspine... Make it hard to cast... I actually like that.>>98160787He costs 230 points more than Alarielle and does exponentially less. Alarielle can resurect a unit once per round INCLUDING herself if she dies, she self heals as well and has a fantastic melee profile. But I wouldn't mind if Nagash got maybe a bit more scary attacks, or maybe just his own spell lore so him being a like... 9 cast wizard actually meant something instead of just "you can pass out d3 damage or healing"
>>98160783>Make him a manifestationwe are not too far
>>98160800D3 mortals on something like nagash really is a joke.Though hand of dust is pretty flavourful and fun at least.
>>98160771>>98160783If they don't have him come back properly he could end up with two models, one as a ethereal grim reaper that gets summoned whenever nighthaunts spook enough people, and one as an ossiarch statue that animates only occasionally when nagash's spirit gathers enough strength to inhabit that vessel
>>98160840not just d3 mortals, d3 mortals ONCE per unit. You can't even just spam cast it on the same unit.
Never gonna get over the spiderfang being shadowbanned out of gitz and the shitass wolves getting to stay
>>98160355Updated knight questor should've been a multikit with weapon options for great weapons, dual weapons, spears, herlbards, crossbows etc. to make it a customizable /yourdudes/ guy
>>98160355>TQGive Infernal Cohort access to fireglaives
>>98160855Apparently they're garbage in tow too. Kevin rountree must be arachnapobic.>>98160861Isn't the new knight questor an etb model locked to skaventide anyway? If you look him up on the webstore they just give you the (kino) silver tower questor instead.That being said the warcry soulsworn are basically what you're looking for. Hell, at 44€ they're barely more expensive than the shit gw dares to charge you for single character minis nowadays, and you get 6 of them. The new celestant is 37€ ffs.
>>98160845If that's what it would take to make him fucking viable in a general list i'd take it, I just want Nagash to be good. Dude costs nearly half an army and barely does anything.
>>98160800Alarielle can only resurrect herself (check the new faq), and only once per battle not per round. The new alarielle can't resurrect herself, core rule 24.2.
Is it me or did they forget to post the CoS art evolution article today lol?
>>98161040Huh, neato. Still pretty fuckin' good. Also wait, is the new core rule saying she can't resurrect herself at all as in some weird specific wording?
>>98161048Its on her warscroll, i assumed you need this unit to be alive to be able to use its command, so if Alarielle wants to use it, she has to be alive
>>98160941yeah i primarily play warcry so it wouldn't matter THAT much that they're shit but also the base is so fuckhuge it doesn't really work in warcry even if there are stats for it. just feel like goblins controlling and riding spiders is such a fun concept and more interesting than what they do with them most of the time. who was asking for the wolves?
>>98161074Not necessarily no, Alarielle has had this gimmick since the index where even if she's dead she can specifically resurrect herself.
>>98161083Damn the spider is in warcry? I know there's some surprisingly big monsters in there like the dankhold, but the spider is on a huge base>who asked for wolvesI think people liked the warband and the 5 man cav unit but I don't think anyone was really expecting or craving a massive expansion to that wing of the army no. I mean they're cool and all, but really don't gel well with the rest of the range visually, not to mention the insane pricing. But I'm retreading old ground here.
>>98161110pricing aside i'd rather have the wolves than the spiders
>>98161110I like the basic and elite cav, the rest would be better as nigh gobbo units
>>98161110"in warcry" in that there are rules for its play. think you'd have to really build the terrain and missions around it though considering it's on a 160mm base otherwise it's gonna be capping three objectives without even moving
>>98160819>using the ribcage as the legwhy did you not use the kruelboyz foot manifestation?
>>98160355I genuinely hope we get some Blanche inspired stormcast now.
>>98160378Deal but it’s actually just halberds that lean more into the axe territory even still.
Idk if someone can help me, I remember seeing way back in 1st (maybe 2nd) edition there was a Warscroll for the Fimir Balefiend, even though they never released. I know for a fact this was an official Warscroll but I cannot find it anywhere online. There was even a thing that said Fimir Warriors were battleline if the Balefiend was general (later changed to the Noble), does anyone know where I could find this warscroll? I'm also *fairly* sure there was a battalion for Fimir but I'm less certain of that than I am the existence of the Balefiend warscroll.
>>98160941>Apparently they're garbage in tow too.Yeah, it's inexplicably like 300+ points despite being worse than much cheaper mounts. It's so bad that events that usually disallow stacking points onto big monsters have an explicit exception for Arachnaroks.
>>98161292and I remember alarielle, the handmaiden, the sisters of the thorn, and the sisters of avelorn, all being a microfaction of their own at the very beginning.but it seems we're both wrong here.
>>98161292Weird styff anon, checked the repository for the original fimirach free downloads and it only had nobles and warriors. But then I stumbled on an old TGA thread discussing fimir warriors becoming battleline for ga destruction if under a fimir noble, where somebody pointed out that "previously it was the unreleased balefiend that made them battleline".Maybe there existed battle profiles but no actual warscroll? The lexicanum links to the old fimir downloads but the links are dead now.
>>98161292You sure it was for AoS? I know that there were rules for the Balefiend in Fantasy.
>>98161292I did some more digging and found an old forgeworld Facebook post talking about fimir. In one of the comments someone talks about the fimir balefiend warscroll being missing, while the points and role are mentioned in the matched play pdf. That's going to be your best shot, I think it's entirely possible there wasn't a warscroll. You say you remember them making fimir battleline right? That wouldn't be on the warscroll itself but in the battle profile.Maybe check the 2016 ghb? Could be those profiles were in there I don't remember. If you can't find it online somewhere we can ask collectionanon, I think he has it too.
wanting to get into FEC but seems like most of the models are old? are we expecting a refresh at any point or if not is there a specific box that's best to go for?
>>98161722>most of the models are oldTo my knowledge it's just the terrorgheist/zombie dragon, horror, and basic ghoul kits that are old. Thing is those all build a fuckton of warscrolls. But it's perfectly possible to build an army out of only new stuff. If you can find it, the older spearhead (with the morbheg knights) is great for this.As for new releases we have no idea but I wouldn't expect either the basic ghouls or the horrors to stay around for too long. The terrorgheist/dragon is kind of up in the air though.
>>98161722>is there a specific box that's best to go forGOOD NEWS I'm one of like... 2 FEC anons here. And here's some fantastic advice for you anon: starting FEC it depends on where you wanna go, first things first I'd recommend Ushoran and the priest (Ushoran isn't a MUST HAVE but he's really fucking cool and does a lot for the faction.) and the priest because he's cool and just an all around useful model.Next up boxes: I think if you can find the 3e refresh box for a decent price it's a good deal, 20 cryptguard, a foot hero, and some morbhegs (also the vargheist but lets not get into him rn) 2 of those and you'll be off to the races. If you can find the old start collecting 2 of those aren't bad since you'll get 2 terrorgheists, a foot hero ghoul king (or ghoul king on terrorgheist) and 40 crypt ghouls alongside some crypt horrors/flayers. (Very good units even if the old models are a bit clunky.)The army isn't necessarily the best with mixed forces so you'll probably at least wanna pick a lane: lots of monsters (terrorgheists) which is in vogue right now (though very vulnerable to gun spam), lots of knights (morbhegs and horrors) which are tanky and punch really well, or spamming 10 million little shitters with ghouls and cryptguard. I've done knights and monster mash and those are quite fun.For extra shit: they kinda gimped Goremayne the funny judge with the wig of intestines, he's very boring now and basically just there to hand out strike last, there's the new hero we just got Felgryn who is basically just a mediocre foot hero who removes ward saves, both are eh and really only get them if you really really like the models.. ->
>>98161788Continued because I'm autstic ->The faction is a bit weird, you kinda really REALLY depend on being able to get into combat right away, ranged attacks are your worst fucking enemy since most of your guys are naked retards that can't take a hit to save their lives. Anything that has rend or anti-ward basically means you'll just be eating damage, your guys are disposable and unfortunately a lot of the resurrection stuff got nerfed in the most recent book.I'm coping rn that we'll get them in the next launch box, it's almost guaranteed crypts and horrors will be refreshed at some point, BUT if you want you can save some cash by just buying Ogor Gorgers, paint em green and you've got a much better horror kit and a guy with more spikey shit to be made the courtier. I enjoy the faction big time, coolest fucking lore around though I've been kinda floundering as them recently when I play but that's less to do with the ghouls and more my dice and my matchups. I DUNNO MAN, get the ghouls they're very cool and I imagine you'll enjoy your time with them.
>>98161762yeah really wanted this but seems to be out of stock everywhere. i really dislike basically...everything in the Charnel Watch box. The Hounds and Crypt Horrors/Flayers just look super stiff and awkward. Why do the Hounds look like petrified Mandrills?
>>98161802>Why do the Hounds look like petrified MandrillsThey're technically actually ghouls just ones who were heavily afflicted by the madness and mutated by ghurrish magics. The Offal hounds are still people but they're basically so devolved everyone in ghoulish society sees them as hunting dogs.
>>98161802Yeah while this box is technically good value it's not very appetizing. Just the gorewarden, a recycled warcry warband, and two sets of the ancient horror kits.I just checked near me an the old (better) spearhead is indeed hard to find, though I did find a couple in the US and canada if that's where you are.
>>98161788>>98161801Thanks for all the info. I'm primarily doing skirmish shit right now with a friend. Underworlds and Warcry stuff. Might eventually move up to Spearheads. I actually really dig that Ogor warband and when I first saw it I wondered if I could somehow fold it into a FEC warband somehow.>>98161849Yeah am in the US but fuck even ebay doesn't seem to have it. Was weighing the Charnelgrand Jury vs. the Scarlet Jury + a box of Morbheg Knights
>>98161903The OG warband for them is so fucking good, I love Duke Crackmarrow, even though I don't believe ghoul courtiers exist anymore. (here's hoping next edition we get a skaventide style refresh, holy fuck that'd be sick)But again if you can find the 3e box I'd say it's a killer deal and very good spot to start with.
>>98161925is the 3e box worth the $200~ i see it going for seconhand?
>>98161802just use gorgers like >>98161801suggests for horrors. they fit the aesthetic of naked ragged ghouls adorned in bones perfectly plus they're cheaper (you get 5 in a box vs 3 for about the same price)
>>98161944I think it's a solid deal, especially if you can find guys who take offers, then you keep lowballing them until they bite. Could probably swing as low as like 180 and nab it.
>>98161802>that time GW randomly went on a baboon sculpting kick
>>98161788what's with the vargheist
>>98161984he's just kinda mediocre, not too much else going on with him
>>98161903I used some random third party app to find stores that still have em and found "linebreakers" and "lazarus games" in the us. Might be worth checking out and seeing if they ship to you. Also a place called "alpha omega hobby" but looks a bit weird.
>>98161925Yeah I've only got the Skinnerkin right now which I really like. >>98161958 Actually gives me an idea for my Warcry warband I can build out from the Skinnerkin. I'm a lore autist and I adding the Gorgers as Horrors that the Skinnerkin overfed until they were fat monsters could be some fun flavor.
>>98162008Go for it, I think you could also literally just slap lady skinnerkin onto a larger base and call her a ghoul king.But do your thang man, I'll be glad to see anyone else joining in for ghoul stuff. (Now I need to actually win some fucking games with mine) I was doing so good before the book hit and then we lost noble deed points...
>>98161788>>98161762damn never realized these were basically the exact same box. And this was before Spearhead was even Spearhead. Basically no reason to get it over the 3e box.
>>98161981>mfw no destruction ape army with a big fat orangutan king wearing a banana crown
>>98161981warcry armies are too sick to all be OOP
I wish IDK had more models.
>>98162169give me stingray surfers with polearms.
I wish IDK had models with hair on them.
>>98162033That's what I'm sayin, also the 3e box comes with a cooler hero. (Not that I don't like the archregent, I MEAN STAT WISE I DON'T LIKE HIM, what the fuck GW why'd you make him a god damn 1 cast.)
>>98162179Wooly crab any day now
>>98161981gnarlwood is so hyper specific it's genuinely baffling like how does anyone think these fit in their respective armies? Oh, just give SBGL Japanese samurai vampires How about some bamboo jungle dwellers for maggotkin? you'd think UW would be the goofy game
>>98160728One of my unfinished project is a box of namarti reavers, is there a good stl or javelin model to swap their flimsy bows?The dynamic poses look awkward with bows, they're leaping and charging while wielding bows. I know they're elves but they look silly, at least with javelins you could argue they're getting a running start before throwing
>>98162238the kruleboyz ones fit because the whole army is just full of weird swamp animals and shit
>>98160771Fuck God models and fuck you
>>98162260This. Gods should not be a unit that can die in one turn because of bad combat
>>98162238Think Ghur just sucks. All the other Warcry warbands being interesting offshoots have been cool like the Corvus or Tarantulos being unique chaos warbands that follow their own gods or even the cannibal ogors people were talking about up above.
>>98162260Ey fuck you Nagash is straight out of fantasy. Same as any other Vampire counts named character.
>>98162169End of edition :)
>>98162060you can paint ghouls as baboons
Nagash is a joke
>>98162457Ye, a pretty funny one
>>98162457it's LORD Nagash, and you're a damn joke.
Nagash was weak.
>>98160800>takes up almost half of your list budget >can cast 9 spells, in an edition where offensive magic sucks and most armies can get by with 2 casts>has a dedicated spell to give out 5+ ward, despite being part of GA that already has baked in 6+ ward and has ways to bump it up >the alternative use for said spell is to return a few models, something that could be achieved with rally>has a 1st ed leftover ability to insta kill a singular hero with roughly a 50/50, that rarely goes off because nobody will throw expensive hero units at himWhy wasn't this dumbass legend out of death books?I guess they could make an army of renown for each that involves summoning him, but that's all
>>98162592That's what I'm saying, I feel like at some point he must have been too good and this is his penance nerf (like all of GSG as a faction deals with) he's literally just the guy that brings morghasts back.
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>>98162613Have gsg ever been good? They've been dogshit all the time I've known them but tbf I did skip most of 3rd and early 4th edition.I don't think nagash has ever been particularly busted either.
>>98161762>it's perfectly reasonable to build an army out of only terrorgheist/zombie dragonsftfy
>>98162646They might not be as bad as they seem but they’re for sure swingy.I got absolutely DEMOLISHED by GSG last month running Squig hoppers and troggs. Dude was a good player, but it felt like he was tapping into the strongest available synergies in the book even if it doesn’t feel like there is any.
Need new ghouls.
SERAPHON BATTLETOME WHEN
>>981626463E was the strongest GSG has ever been, so you missed it, pretty much.
>>98162769While gsg suffers from keyboard bingo at the end of the day big tanky hard-to-remove objective holders pair well with fast moving hard hitting cavalry. But yeah gits are swingy
>>98162830I got lowdiffed 80-5. Dude was running circles around me. Doom divers are nasty too. He had it in a castle of troggs flanked by the hoppers. The way he was playing was making the keyword bingo feel less like restrictions and more like a way to curate your list and playstyle.
>>98161588>>98161431Sorry the battleline thing was on a seperate thing, 100% there was a warscroll download at one point, the more I think about it I think it might have been mid-late first edition that I saw it.
>>98162800Need new yhetees.
>>98162906please don't post slop here
About what size cork should I get to use as a painting handle? I currently don't have a very good way of holding heads I'm painting separately.Alternatively is there something else I could use to mount a head on?
>>98162913It's oil on cradled board but sure I promise to steer clear from sharing bot pics ITT.
>>98162913Gonna cry? Gonna piss your pants?
>>98161048No core rule 24.2 means that once she's resurrected herself, her ability doesn't reset to let the new alarielle resurrect herself if she dies ie you don't get unlimited resurrects. It's important because other once per battle abilites on a unit's warscroll do reset if you resurrect a unit.
>>98162922it's very clearly slop lil bro
>>98162824and it was really only like 2 units in the whole army, maybe 3.i actually thought their 2nd edition incarnation had the most play back when you could take a 60 man grot squad with a max unit discount and conga line single file grots off it. play it like a fucking octopus with tentacles of grots stretching out onto like 4 objectives and 2 fights at once, removing casualties from elsewhere as you go with netters at the end of each linegod i miss that edition
Just getting into Warhammer and can’t decide if I want to commit to GSG or FEC. Sell me one way or another Sigmarbros
>>98162969Buy the mushroom.
>>98162969skip both, get IDK
>>98162949I don't know what to tell you except that Chris Rahn probably did not have access to a time machine in the late 2010s that he could use to travel forward in time to after the launch of commercial TTI models and generate a physical oil painting depicting a yeti and bring it back to the past.
>>98162969What draws you to both?
>>98162969FEC are better on the table and play more consistently if you care about winning. they are kind of a glass cannon though with no real way to mitigate that, its just the nature of the army, and their selection of unit types is very narrow, its pretty much either naked melee guy or big monster, and thats about it. they're fast and they can hit really fucking hard though, and they have some very cool and thematic army rulesGSG have more playstyle variety and unit types, but the army has sort of always been on the struggle bus as far as rules go and its army rules in particular feel like they are actively fighting against you. also they have like 12 wizards but somehow still suck at casting. but the army is capable of swamping the board with floods of cheap idiots, slamming into the opponent with extremely high damage cavalry that evaporates on contact, duking it out in a mid table fistfight with troggoths that just wont die, or throwing people in wolf jail with ultra fast cheap pinning wolf units. and the spiders are there too....but you can ignore them.
>>98162969>FECEasy to paint, highly thematic and solidly strong rules, decently modern range.>GSGFun to paint, awkward/janky rules unless you lean into Oops All Troggoths, eclectic mix of modern and ancient sculpts. For a beginner, I'd lean FEC, but if you're a hobby enthusiast GSG is very rewarding.,
>>98162891Yeah idk anon I just checked both 2015 and 2020 versions of the monstrous arcanum which had the forgeworld rules at the time and I can't find the balefiend. The basic warriors are in the 2015 version, and they're joined in 2020 by the noble. But no sign of our white whale in either.Only thing I can come up with is that it was some white dwarf warscroll maybe? Also very possible you confused it with the fimir noble warscroll in your memory over time? This would've been like a decade ago after all.>>98162969Gsg have more variety as of right now. If it's all the same to you personally I would pick gsg just for that reason.
>>98162969also if it effects your decision at all, GSG are about twice as expensive $$$ to collect and take about twice to 3x as long to paint.its mostly a horde army very few big expensive point fillers, so you'll need to just buy a ton of boxes, and paint literal hundreds of guys. so if that doesnt sound like something you're ready for, start with FEC instead. GSG is a really fun army, but not for the faint of heart. it must be a labor of love, key word there being labor.
>>98163106To be fair trolls don't take too many models to paint and field, some squigs too.
>>98160355>tqSteelhelms with 2-handed polearmsCavaliers with lancesReplace the helsmith swords and give them axes insteadnuProsecutors two handed grandhammer/axes like the old ones used to haveShielded stormvermin
>>98163296I’d change the spears for smiths into halberds before the swords
>>98162969FEC Positives>Really cool lore>very thematic rules for their army>Has strong meta presence in competitive tournaments>Has some really good models like the barrister and high falconer>Ushoran is the best model in AoS full stopFEC Negatives>Meta lists are spam lists, relying on shared units with other factions and more thematic lists aren't as strong>There's very little reason not to play Ushoran so you'll feel pressured to get the centerpiece model if you want to play 2k games>A lot of the models are just shitty old zombie sculpts and most of the range isn't nearly as good a the best models>not a ton of variety in units visually, the faction is 90% flesh eating ghoulsGSG Positives>really big range, you can build a varied list or something that leans heavily into the 4-5 different subsections>supposedly has one of the better black library AOS books, Bad Loon Rising>popular faction so they get pretty regular support>fun to paint models that are easy for a beginnerGSG Negatives>GSG has been shit for almost their entire run in AoS, you will likely struggle competing with them>If your running anything but Trogs, you'll need to paint a lot of models to fill out your list>outside of snagging an entire GSG lot on ebay, it'll be more expensive to get this army>Rules for the badmoon are always ass, and promote just focusing on one army subsection, not having a varied list>squigsI honestly wouldn't recommend either faction to a new person. If your interested in playing standard 2k competitive games, I would suggest FEC and if your interested in hobbying and narrative play, I'd suggest Gits.
>>98163296>Steelhelms with 2-handed polearms
>>98160355>TQI'd love a melee version of Grundstock Thunderers that just have aether powered hammers. It's weird to me that KO is missing an elite melee infantry unit when that's the kind of unit that could benefit from their transports the most.
>>98163387forgot my picture
I’m morbidly curious as to what a chariot for khadrons would look like.
>>98163397A big flying boat being pulled by two smaller flying boats.
>>98163397Something like this probably. I would love a podracer style machine with one cockpit and a mounted gun being pulled by two huge propeller endrins
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>>98162944I mean yeah that's fine, It'd be a bit fucked if she could resurrect herself forever. Even at 2 cp you could just use her as a 600 point scud missle
>>98163361>>Meta lists are spam lists, relying on shared units with other factions and more thematic lists aren't as strongGod it sucks, also the constant need to bring heroes. If you're in monster spam it's easy because you can just bring a fucking ghoul king on terrorgheist, BUT THEN god forbid you have to bring foot ghouls. The foot heroes are so mediocre, 5+ 6++ with a few attacks that moves 6 inches. Watch as it gets removed the board the second it's out there. Also ye Ush is hard not to want to bring because he's also a monster that beats the living shit out of anything in his range, also the spell where you can make an enemy hit another enemy is the funniest shit ever when you can pull it off. I would enjoy if we got more encouragement to have like a mixed roster. HOLY SHIT ACTUALLY, you know what would be fucking sick. Imagine if the need to bring foot heroes and other units were more placed into the game. You could have several rolls in a court that you can fill with heroes or units: "Royal Vanguard", "Assistant to the king", "Master of Feasts" shit like that wherein instead of the delusion system we are allowed to have certain heroes get buffs for being in certain rolls.
>>98162985IDK are interesting but fuck elves>>98163000The lore/themeing of FEC (also love vampires) and the fun and uniqueness/variety of the models for the GSG. I’m also a contrarian so GSG being the underdogs both thematically and because they’re competitively shit is appealing.>>98163010>>98163069>>98163079>>98163106>>98163361Appreciate all the info to think about. I’m also primarily interested in Spearhead and maybe Warcry if that affects anything. I think my issue right now is that conceptually I prefer the FEC but the Gitz seem to have the better models to put on the table and the hobby painting is a big part of the draw to me. Love that there’s a handful of different kinds of trolls but also big spiders and wolves and contraptions. FEC to me shines when they’re really playing up the Brettonian element and we’re getting things like the Scarlet Jury, the Falconer, the Archbishop, the Skinnerkin. But so much of the focus seems to be on fuckhuge monsters.
>>98163814>FEC to me shines when they’re really playing up the Brettonian elementHere's hoping for a wave 2 with more shit that is themed towards new FEC, and the focus on fuckhuge monsters is basically only Ushorann and the terrorgheist/zd (which are mostly there as leftovers from Fantasy)
>>98163489sovl
I kinda hope fec can get the old nightmare design someway somehow. Not the horse one, the fucked up pseudo dinosaurs.
>>98163845Weird thing, i like it.But is this big spike/spine thing on the head goes straight under the crotch? Is the vampire lord get kicked in the balls every time the nightmare looks down?
Does anyone have the PDFs for the 3rd edition of Soulblight Gravelords and Flesh Eater Court?
Struggling to understand the OBR 3d3 mortal wounds plan, is this in addition to or instead of the death wedge ability with the Liege Kavalos?
>>98163845How tall is that thing, that looks like a 40mm base
Need some help from people who are more into the lore.Can a stormcast who suffers from a heavy case of reforging alzheimers be a questor?Its for a Soulbound campaign, and main concept is that amongst other things, my character is a Questor, to whom his quest appears in his dreams as it would normally, but his mind is so deteriorated that he struggles to remember it after he wakes up
>>98164211I honestly dont know. I dont think the damn thing even had any art for it back in fatnasy battle. I wouldnt mind if they potentially made it bigger, maybe when the terrorgheist kit gets remade the nightmare can be included in it as a build option in a dual kit.
>>98164284From the latest battletome. I'd say you're good as long as he only needs to remember his mission.
werent we supposed to get new rumors after 11th edition dropped?
>>98164304Did it drop already?
>>98164284>>98164296Wouldn't Stormcast brand of brain damage make him forget everything EXCEPT his quest? Like he loses all purpose other than that one thing, but he would be laser focused on the task
>>98164284Godsbane features a Questor whose quest is vague that leads to him having to interpret it and acting quite deranged. He only knows that one person is important.
>>98163391
Is there any difference between the Kruleboyz models sold as box sets and the ones packed in Dominion/Stormbringer/Spearhead? The sets are all dirty cheap on ebay but I'm not sure if they're the same kit or a simplified version.Also FUCK Boltboyz, in what fucking world is a single sprue of 3 monopose models worth £35.50?
>>98164625Blending gold with steel is a choice that I really like
>>98164629Dominion ones only come with spears
>>98162913>>98162949retard
>>98164629ETB kits with no options, musicians, banners, etc. Dominion Gutrippaz have thin spears that'll probably bend eventually but boltboyz are fine. Spearhead is the full Gutrippaz kit.
I think I’m starting to realize Cities of Sigmar is the coolest faction. What do I do now
>>98164679kneel before your poojet and black overlords, and drink several litres of onions milk. Also spend 600-800 dollars on garbage like a good paypiggy.
>>98164707>garbageThey have the best range in the game
>>98164629Box set bolt boyz don't have the banner guy
>>98164304Supposedly slaanesh will be anmounced for preorder tomorro, and the GHB a couple weeks after that. We'll be getting a bunch of faction focus hype building articles.
>>98160410>>98160427I used to play a shitty fighting game where the orc character had a fucking beartrap he could just throw at opponents, yanking them closer so he could beat them up at close quarters.Kind of like hrothgorn now that I think about it. Well in theory, I don't think hrothgorn actually does anything to pull them closer.Anyway, always thought that'd be a fun idea for ranged ironjawz without totally stepping on the toes of their lore.
>>98164284the lizardmen novel has a stormcast whose reforging mental issues become so bad that he just walks away from the stormhost on a personal quest and the other stormcasts let him do that.
>>98164019
>>98163845>>98164019>>98164932I think in 1.0 AoS, these things were called "Abyssal Terrors" since there's rules for a Vampire Count on Abyssal Terror that's decidedly not a monster. It's also got an attack profile for "Abyssal Terror's Claws and Tusks" so...yeah, that's what they're called in AoS (and probably WHFB at some point)'I'd definitely want 'em back. They're weird and cool.
>>98165045>that's decidedly not a monsterhow dare you slander it so?I'll let you know it was the healthy size of a griffon at the time
>>98164707>he hasn't taken the zonnpill yetngmi>>98164304There's a guy posting on TGA about how Khul is coming to hammerhal. I think it's a new guy though so idk how credible he is.
>>98165120>>he hasn't taken the zonnpill yetI heard the shit he sells around campus make you piss in seven languages for a week
>>98164733Yes, good paypiggy, just consume product and get excited for the next product :^)))
>>98165161how does your opinion on the army changes the moment there aren't women and browns, everyone has one of the cool helmets, and you get the army for cheap?
>>98165137>This shit will make you more lucid than you've ever been my friend, only two vials just for you, yes?>>98165161Well what army do you like anon?
>>98164820Use a squig for it, but such a mechanic would be really really funny so I think it should happen purely because of that
>>98160410>>98160427just bring back bonesplitterz and give them slingers
Who else here excited for Khazalid Holds?
Is Seraphon playable with minimal magic? I really don't want to spend 500pts or more on magic frogs Skink Wizards only would be preferable to field more saurus
>>98165506ironically the frog actually nets you more saurus in the long run with his ressurection than if you just left him out to buy more saurus
>>98162985IDK need a range update either more sea creatures or add fish men to the range.
>>98165503I've never been much of a dwarf guy but I'm happy they're af least trying something with fyreslayers instead of them going the way of the squat. Kind of interested on what they'll look like and how they will end up differentiating them from regular old dwarfs. Also gw you better give the inevitable female sculpts braids. Braids are as essential on femdorfs as beards are for male dorfs.
>>98165120Zonn is cool but I hate that they wrote his backstory like someones OC donut steel overpowered dnd character>>98165503The most exciting part about khazalid holds is that people will stop playing oops all naked dwarves
>>98165918>The most exciting part about khazalid holds is that people will stop playing oops all naked dwarvesI mean it's not like they're overflowing right now either
>>98165937my point is that most people playing fyreslayers would play any standard dwarves if given the option, and once they're added the fyreslayer die hards will drop to almost zero.
>>98165918>oops all naked dwarvesThe only issue with that is that they only got 2 multipart kits, they should've atleast break down the ranged guys to give them a different look from the heartguard, and made heartguard more different from the berzerkers, and make them into a super elite army of Gotrek-lite heroes with only some infantry
Fyreslayers just needed something more. Like idk maybe the more runes they’ve inlaid in their skin the more warped their physiology becomes until you’ve got some dwarves that are just basically fire elemental. It’s fine if you want them to all be gingers but you can’t have them just be straight up identical
>>98165918>The most exciting part about khazalid holds is that people will stop playing oops all naked dwarvesIf Khazilid Holds is popular, the total number of people playing Fyreslayers will only go up, though. Guess you'll have to cope.
>>98166178>If Khazilid Holds is popularThey won't be because gw won't give them cannons and guns.
>>98166173They should've had some magmadroth hybrid dwarves. Or at the absolute very least some larpers like the warcry drothblood.I mean look at this shit bro
>>98166277only the most shaved head, bearded, mouth gaping redditor could see this and get excited. it's quite literally just XD naked dwarves
>>98166297I don't think fyreslayer players enjoyed this spearhead very much anonNow the start collecting... that was a box.
>>98166326>13 citadel miniatures>magmadroth>extra guy you get from the magmadroth on foot>...11 vulkites?Am I going crazy or is there an extra vulkite in this box somehow?
>>98166398>Am I going crazy or is there an extra vulkite in this box somehow?The Droth kit lets you build two extra foot heroes, not just one.
>>98166398rune,son
>>98166413>>98166420Damn this dude is indistinguishable from the vulkites from a distance
>>98160355Soon
>>98166444If it's any consolation he's Indistinguishable from vulkites close up too
what's the best faction that is less focused on big main character hero types but still has unique sculpts. guess im trying to figure out which ones are good for /yourdudes/ while also not just looking like Infantry A, Infantry B. Like Seraphon or Fyreslayers feel like they're all just variations on each other.
>>98166173In Soulslayer, there was a runefather covered from top to bottom in runes, so much so, that he looked like he was wearing armor from a distance
>>98166580Maleneth peered closer at the figure on the throne. He was horribly emaciated and his dragon helm was slumped to one side as his head lolled onto his beard, but the strangest thing about him was his skin. There was barely an inch of him that was free of metal. Dozens of golden runes had been hammered into his muscles, far more than Maleneth had seen in even the most zealous Fyreslayer berserker. He almost looked like one of the metal statues that lined the hall. There were runes sunk into his chest, limbs and even his throat. It was as though he had been hammered to death by a runesmith.
I still don't get how you're meant to put a metal rune inside a muscle, does gw know that those are meant to flex and stretch?
>>98166326That was such an amazing box. I remember buying three of them and being in Dwarf heaven.
>>98166566Is your issue specifically with named characters or just centerpieces in general?Fyreslayers and ogres both don't even have named characters, though obviously both will undergo some big changes in the next few months. Seraphon also only have 1 in kroak, but you said you don't like em. Bit surprised actually I find seraphon to be a very diverse looking faction with all the different sizes and mounts and monsters etc.Idoneth are also a decent choice since their named characters aren't that overwhelming, though if there's ever a faction that suffers from samey looking lists it's them.
>>98166683i guess a little of both. sorry i know that's not helpful. this might also sound like complete nonsense but in picrel for example the Seraphon and Fyreslayers just all feel like the same character in different poses where the CoS and FEC still read like individuals to me that you could name and at a glance recognize
>>98166683>>98166803Even old models like these Stabbas feel like they’re giving off distinct personalities despite being generic rank and file
Soooooooonnnnnn
>>98166272Why wouldn't they?>fyreslayers don't have gunsthey do have ranged weapons and old fantasy battle dwarves had plenty of cannons and warmachines>they can't have cannons because KO have cannonsthe difference being KO has transports with shitty cannons attached to them and the new dwarves could have slow artillery with much better firepower.
>>98166803>FEC still read like individuals to meall the ghouls look the same to me but to each their own. CoS and STD are both great picks for /yourdudes/ since you have a lot of options to customize the knights and it still thematically makes sense why they wouldn't be all in the same uniform. Also, despite having a ton of named characters, SBG has a good number of generic hero options to pick from, including one of the monster heroes so they have good options for a more custom feel if you want.
>>98166272Why wouldn't khazalid have guns or cannons lol
>>98166816These look like potato shit Rank and file stuff has to go
>>98167081Fuck of stabbas are greatOnly improvement would be their weapon poses
>>98166420You KNOW the sculpt is fucked when GW assembled it wrong. That piece of orange hair sticking out of the raised arm axe is supposed to connect to the mohawk of the helmet.
>>98167103That's what rank and file shit means, but no the majority is one piece and it shows. They need more dynamic gestures all around, more creative bits, and ears protruding from hoods Every UW warband mogs them
>>98167138kek
>>98167141Ironically, one piece ones from SKull pass look better
>>98167141>>98167081>new models are better than old modelsi mean no shit? the original point was that ancient models like the stabbas still have a lot of personality
>>98167170these look good, but idk man. i painted 120 stabbas already, and making them any more detailed would probably make that task a real son of a bitch
>>98167156these look exactly the same as the multipart
>>98167141Eh I mean yeah the underworlds guys are pretty much direct upgrades but the difference isn't so dramatic I would say the old stabbas are shit or that they NEED a refresh. Only real issue to me is again the way they hold their weapons, not too much of a problem on stabbas but on shootas it really sucks. Which yeah is a problem causes by being rank n flank dual kit. I do have to disagree with "more bits" too I mean a mushroom cap here and there sure but at the end of the day these are chaff units you're going to have to paint like 40 off at absolute minimum. I feel like their current basic design of two piece cloak/hood, little string and face showing is absolutely perfect. I wouldn't want them to deviate too much from this concept and cover them in little pouches and bottles and what have you, detail for details sake. That stuff is fine on a 5 man cavalry unit but on 20 man chaff no thank you.
>>98167186i do also think with the gitz being such a huge horde army you probably prefer simple models with expressive faces. sure the stabbas could be less stiff but if you're playing real 2k warhammer idk that I want the gitz going the route of the Skaven and having to paint 50 rats with hyperspecific detailing or just resort to lazy army washing. stabbas design is quick to paint but still stands out and is easy to make look good
>>98167185Nope, Multipart ones are all stick A-posing
>>98167211they're not though. their arms are on flat joints, you can rotate them
>>98167209Yeah stabbas are great. Probably the best plastic unit gw produced during the whfb days, except for maybe some characters and the humble carnosaur. Not without its flaws (again, shoota poses leave something to be desired) but still absolutely stellar.
>>98167020that's fair. i definitely think FEC are a tier below CoS but i find that because their models just kinda get to be sloppy ugly monsters even the chaff can have little details that pop. i would say my issue with the seraphon is just that they're lizards and so it's more difficult to make them expressive and varied but that still comes back to what the fuck is the excuse for the fyreslayers. but idk even like the Hunters of Huanchi. Warcry models are specifically made to be a bunch of dudes who stand out and yet these guys look a series of snapshots of one chameleon on an adventure. to me seraphon models look really good on a table and have some really stand out individual big guys but on a unit by unit basis im less invested. i want to take advantage of interesting factions in a fantasy world but fuck maybe im just a cities of sigmar player.
>>98167219Their arms are literally flat joins, you can rotate them on one axist only
>>98167263thats one more axis than the skulls pass goblins have
>>98167270Yeah, but Skullpass one actually hold their spears differently, some lean on them, others flail them around, close to the body, far from the body etc.
>>98167282you are really making mountains out of molehills, those poses are barely different, and not at all adjustable.
>>98167336>>98167282also if you've ever actually worked with the stabbas kit you'd know that they lean in different directions and make different expressions too
>>98166816only ever see the stabbas painted black on black. i wanna see someone go full Seven Dwarves with them and everyone gets unique robe and hood colors
>>98167373again thats one of those things, like the more detailed and diverse models in the underworlds bands, that sounds great on paper, and then the reality of doing it across 120+ models is something completely different.
>>98165503Can't wait for their EPIC lore like> Khazid Empires are back, and they will hold their HOLDS.... FOREVER!!!> Next release: the Last WorldLmao
while we're on the subject of gitz, i wanted to try building them recently but they're a kind of frustrating army to collect. feel like there's no one or two boxes to really get you there. just a bunch of smaller ones that all add up.
>>98167462pretty much. they had some good themed boxes a while back, but those long since sold out since gitz are a pretty popular army. my recommendation is if you can find the old spearhead with the troggs and squigs for a fair price start with that. otherwise if you have to piecemeal everything, start with boxes of boingrot bounders and rockgut troggoths, and 2 boxes of stabbas. 40 stabbas is enough to get started and they arent crazy expensive. boingrot bounders are fielded in 5s but the box comes with 10 since hoppers are fielded in 10s, so bounders get you some good value per box, and rockgut troggoths are a lot of points, so that will also help you fill up a list. as far as characters go, start with the gobapalooza, because you can also run the models in that box as 5 separate shamans or loonbosses instead of as the gobapalooza (not officially, but a lot of people do this) so that will give you a lot of heroes for the price of one. and once you have some shamans, some squigs, some stabbas and some troggs, thats everything you need to start playing, and you can tailor and specialize your army more as you play and find out what you like and dont like. gitz is a very flexible army in terms of what your list might look likea good starting list of 1k would be like fungoid cave shaman-40 stabbas (alternatively 2x20)-10 boingrot boundersdankhold trogg boss-3 rockgut troggothsthat gives you some grot horde, some squig speed, some trogg muscle, and a bit of spellcasting. a good sample platter to get started.
>>98167513Good info. Was already mirin Gobbapalooza because they seemed like a good fit for a Warcry warband too. The other issue I'm facing is the Gitz just have so many damn cool models. I want the spider even though it's shit. I want the Dankhold Rampage even though it's expensive and has no gobbos because all the troll models are sick. Hell I even want the fucking "Sneaky Snufflers"
>>98167644i mean for sure definitely get all that, i was just making a recommendation as to what would get you up on your feet playing games the fastest and could be expanded in pretty much any directioni'd say definitely save snufflers for later. as much fun as the models are, they are a niche utility unit of dubious worth even at the best of times. i would also hold off on most of the wolf shit (its fun but expensive cash wise and kinda techy to use. doomdiver is pretty easy point and shoot though) and the spiders (they are typically not very good even for gits, plus their models are dated) although a spare arachnarok isnt a bad pick up as a one off, it has some use as a teleporty monster, but its massive pie plate base makes it difficult to move on the table with terrain and other models. skewing more into trolls is definitely something people do and have won with, though 100% trolls lists tend to lean on krangos for his speed buff, otherwise they just get boxed in to their deployment zone and lose on points instantly. the best gits armies in my opinion are those with a healthy mix of themes rather than going all in on a single element. they are more adaptable to different opponents and missions, and more edition proof as far as buff/nerf balance patches go as well.
>>98167785>>98167644and fanatics. fantatics i could write a whole book about, sometimes they are the utter linchpin of the entire gloomspite gits army, and other times they are completely ignored. their rules seem to be rewritten from scratch every edition and behave differently, and they are also an insanely expensive unit as far as cash is concerned, like $50 for 5 single health goblin missiles. some people swear by them, many of the top gitz players use them often throughout the editions. im not sure if i would recommend getting them early or not, but if your budget is a concern i would save them for later, they are more useful and less niche than the snufflers, but i dont know if i'd call them a core buy
>>98167811I think the original plastic fanatics were fine There was no reason to update them just like Stabbas don't need updated tbhon
>>98167864yeah these are fine, the new ones are definitely better though. if the price per model were comparable i'd probably just get the new ones
>>98167186>the difference isn't so dramatic
>>98167864I think the uw fanatic is the best one out of the bunch. But yeah the 7th edition ones are cool too.>>98167901Idk what to tell you anon, I really don't think so. In fact looking at this pic I think I even like the older face more, though the rest is an upgrade.
>>98167901The difference is so NOT dramatic that I am a random anon passing by who misread your post for a moment and thought that with that picture you were making fun of an anon arguing there was a drastic difference between the two.
Alright /aosg/ some autists in /40kg/ are having a slapfight about this so it's come down to >(you) to settle things:oldcast or nucast?
>>98167901>>98167956WFB models were just more boxy in general but there are far more egregious examples. Look at the Skaven. The refresh is so different you can barely use old models alongside new ones without it being distracting. The only real difference in your pic is that the face protrudes more and there's additional folds on the clothing but as a silhouette these two could easily be in the same army. It's a case of "I wouldn't say no to a refresh but it's perfectly serviceable right now"
>>98168045Both have their appeal tbqh. Fatcast generally feel more heroic with their exaggerated proportions and clean death masks. Slimcast are obviously much better for kitbashing femcast.
>>98168045Oldcasts>Better weapons>Better shields>Better helmets>More heraldryNucasts>Better dragons, not talking about Dracoths, Stardrakes were garbage>More 'realistic' proportions, which is hardly a positive unless you are an autist who fell for the "True scale" marketing buzzword
>>98167901That's 90% paintjob
>>98168045Nucast beat Oldcast most of the time on basic shit, but something was definitely lost when they got rid of the sacrosanct chamber
>>98168100>Oldcast most of the time on basic shitUnlike Nucasts they had some actual bits and bobs, from halos, icons, lighning face masks of paladins, to greaves and gauntless, Nucasts are essentially featureless "Guys in armor", remove the face mask and you wouldnt be able to tell that its a stormcast
>>98168100I found sacrosanct the ugliest stormcast iteration by far honestly. Only this guy was cool.Concept was kind of cool I guess but execution was horrible to me.
>>98168045old were fat and rightfully mocked
>>98168128Slender proportions make for objectively worse miniatures
>>98168045i feel like there's a revisionist history "old good, new bad, shit on anything GW does" attitude about the Stormcasts now because the old models got shit on constantly and the new models were pretty well received when the redesign came down but now suddenly everyone wants to pretend they always liked the originals
>>98168181You are comparing opinions of secondarie redditors, who are only here when theres hype for new release (You quite literally cannot critic any new GW design on Reddit, without everyone ganking up on ya), vs people who actually had and liked those models
>>98168131Noyou shouldn't throw around the term objectively like that, especially when you're wrong
>>98168045oldcast are actually really badly made if you own the models. Chunkiest details, laziest mould designs, etc. Genuinely baffling.Wave 1 is pure shite.
>>98168215>Look worse when on the table or shelf>Harder to paint>Bring literally nothing in return besides bringing redditors who only ever see miniatures on GW promo pictures into an awe
>>98168045Fatcasts got killed for good reasons.
>>98168196You're suggesting that redditors came here to praise nucast... because they couldn't criticise them on reddit.
>>98168228>>Look worse when on the table or shelfwrong >>Harder to paintwrong>>Bring literally nothing in returnwrong, they bring good models
>>98168045I like oldcast more, but think nucast are better sculpts overall. The only exception with liberators who are just awful in their redesign. It took a few editions for me to warm up to fatcasts though, but now I love the judicators (remind me of the silver archers from Dark Souls) and the old liberators. Even the retributors, who are just visual vomit, are appealing to me for whatever reason. Sacrosanct was peak design that said, due to the robe meshing well with the fat armor design.
>>98162613> I feel like at some point he must have been too good and this is his penance nerfI heard he was good in 1st and 2nd ed, where summoning of extra units for free was common and frustrating to deal with.The guy, who torched his dark elf army in protest of AOS, mentioned that in very early 1st ed, where unit costs was non existant you could just bring him and summon the rest of the army easily
>>98168286>I heard he was good in 1st and 2nd ed, where summoning of extra units for free was common and frustrating to deal withMan lizards were so fucking bullshit back then for this reason, it's funny that they're known as a very fair army nowadays.
>>98168045Nu-cast win easily.Although, I hate helmet designs in both, besides a few skull helms.Replacing everyone's heads with stereotypical crusader/paladin helmets can be a major glowup
>>98168312Do you have that comic edit of a slan turning an unbound spell into a saurus guard unit?
>>98168320>Replacing everyone's heads with stereotypical crusader/paladin helmets can be a major glowupLiterally every single conversion like that looks like utter garbage, unless you are exclusively using sallets, or its on the guys who are covered in cloth. Medieval european helmets do not mesh with the pec and abs armor like at all
>>98168312Tzeentch battalion, revolving around summoning extra LoC was somewhat infamous for this too.
>>98168320>Replacing everyone's heads with stereotypical crusader/paladin helmets can be a major glowupTo each their own but I always thought these conversions looked really bad. Especially the greathelm ones.
>>98168333>salletsYeah, that's the word I've been looking for.
>>98168045we spent years criticising fatcasts and asking for what slimcast delivered, if you're autistic enough and go back the generals for years you'll see various discussions that end making mock ups that aren't far off to the slimcast
>>98168045Fuck 40gay
>>98168344>>98168333Today I will remind them
>>98168370The old stormvermin kit is so weird.Im not the biggest fan of the new base Skaven mesh, but what were the Stormvermin actually a part of visually? They look nothink like the metal moneky skaven, they look nothing like the 2008-2009 wave or anything that came after
>>98168366Isn't 40kg in a honeymoon phase with 11th ed ?
>>98168221This, oldcast were 90% trash. The poses were also awful, most of the old liberators were doing the "taking a shit" squat, which is not exactly a selling point.
>>98168404>This, oldcast were 90% trash. The poses were also awfulIt's weird because a lot of them have these awful poses where it feels like the sculptors aren't entirely sure what to do noe that they have the freedom of not being beholden to ranknflank, and then on the other hand you have absolutely 10/10 kino poses like the liberator prime or the knight questor.
>>98168426Its monopose ones vs multipart ones.Early 2010s GW multipart kits had that issue alot, look at the Slayers
>>98168045The nucast are objectively better since they're not oddly bow legged but the more ornate helmets of the oldcast look cooler
>>98160378>>98161253halberds are cool too but i find that spears symbolize war itself more.Like it's probably the oldest weapon of war we have aside from bones and clubs and shit. Also make sense to wield one with a shield more than a halberd or poleaxe. Knowing GW if we ever did get blood warriors with halberds they would give them a dumbass shield like they did with chaos warriors
>>98168426>10/10 pose>bog standard tactical rock one arm with weapon up, other arm down poseliterally the same as the fucking vindicators they put in those paint set boxes. You're just blinded by an exceptionally good paint job on this specific picture
>>98162238>bamboo jungle dwellers for NurgleUhm ackshually they're chemists, healers, scientists and physicians that had to start their own tribes in the swamps when they were exiled for their experiments. Similar to Festus or Maester Qyburn from Asoiaf who went too far in their experiments.I think it's cool to see other cultures develop around the same god. Not every Nurglite has to be covered in rusted armor with pocked weapons and single eye-slit helmetsBut yeah I get it Rotmire creed aren't for everyone
>>98161802>>98161788>>98161722Don't forget about their old dawnbringers box.Might not be easy to find but it's out there and if you can nab it you can get some models that aren't included in many of the other value boxes. They also got a regiments of renown box that comes with 2 characters and cryptguard.Just get the old spearhead with the bats and army box and you'll be in a great spot. you'll have 30 cryptguard which may or may not be too much idk I don't play FeC.>army box>Old spearhead>dawnbringers box (if you can find it for a decent price)>regiment of renown The Scarlet Jury
>>98168045>>98168450>>98168281The big ass warhammers on both of them still look like toys.Seriously, you don't need a massive NERF or Nothin' lookin-ass mallet to crush people.You're already super strong as a stormcast. A smaller point on your mace means better force concentration and armor piercing. Vindicators look much better. Vigilors are cool too but I would have preferred to see them in chainmail or something other than full plate armor.
>>98169005was looking at some old Dawnbringers boxes today and feel like they kind of all shit on the other boxes that have been released for armies. Like look how good the Gitz one is. Shame they're all like 200+ if you can even find them
>>98169028>Seriously, you don't need a massive NERF or Nothin' lookin-ass mallet to crush people.It helps when those people are 20 feet tall and powered by eldritch horrors though
>>98169042yeah, it sucks. During the dawnbringers era we were getting a lot of neat boxes along with most vanguards being good compared to the crap 40k had to deal with for most of their armies.Now it seems spearhead boxes this edition have become stock dumps for warcry. The new nurgle spearhead is just offensive and insulting to the consumer. 40k space marine combat patrol-tier bad.
>>98169028I still prefer old liberators, but Vindicators do look fantastic.
I’m chaos curious but are there any good sources of lore that sell the factions beyond edgelord shit
>>98168045Definitely newcast, the poses are better, they look less chunky and I’m a big fan of adding more robes for the paladin aesthetic.
>>98169081Abraxia, Spear of the Everchosen is supposed to be a good book and there’s one about a Chaos Chosen trying to live his life as the “high-up enough to survive in Chaos, low enough to be blamed when things go wrong” position.
with the launch of 40k 11th the focus from aos is now moving to 40k. how would you rate 4th and the two years of gw going ham on aos?
>>98160355It's a shame that Blanche couldn't save AoS from being the boring, soulless "standard fantasy but changed just enough to be copyrightable" slop GW wanted it to be
>>98162913It's the AoSlop thread, it's where it belongsSigmar did soulless bland slop before it was cool
>>98166173There was never anything more to Fyreslayers than "dwarves who are on fire so we can copyright them".
>>98169193A waste of time.
>>98168045Nucast and it ain't close.. Oldcast had some good external details that do win out over nucast, but overall armor design and silhouette get turbomogged by nucast. The people who only came out of the woodwork to defend oldcast so vehemently are contrarians who thrive on liking the "old thing" despite not owning or even really caring about them. Kudos to the people who actually did collect oldcast and had an appreciation for them, though.
>>98169198>>98169198>>98169213>It's a shame that Blanche couldn't save AoS from being the boring, soulless "standard fantasy but changed just enough to be copyrightable" slop GW wanted it to beImpossible to save it from being WHFB, since that's what it is. But at least he made it that much cooler than its prequel (to anyone who isn't a /vg/ tourist so mad that he triple-posts)
>>98169198Isn’t that exactly what people want? People shit on things for being Not-Tolkien but the entire reason people choose Fantasy over 40K is for elves dwarves and Tolkien shit with a slight twist
>>98169292I choose AOS over 40k purely for the models. If I want a cool fantasy setting I go to Fantasy.
>>98169292I genuinely think 40k rules are dogshit and got tired of "NUH UH I can do x, y, and z so you're now wounding on 7s and I do 47 attacks on 2+ with Sus 1, Lethal, and Devs." Basically fuck Marine armies. I'd rather keep fighting Nighthaunt than them.
>>98168045The only stormcast I own is the old knight-questor and I think it's the pinnacle of their designs
>>98167864I really don't like that the new fanatics don't have counterweights.
>>98169292it's fine. As much as we all shit on AoS it's because we like the game and want it to succeed.if we all truly hated the game we'd not even be posting on this thread unless we're a bored troll.and because it's a "new" game we have more freedom and GW doesn't try to play it safe like they do with 40k. does AoS even have a primaris-lieutenant meme like 40k? or "NPC factions"?personally what drives me away from 40k is the amount of secondaries and autists. 40k has so much tiktok and short and AI lore video slop mixed with Gw incompetence that it's kind of a bloated diluted mess. too big for its own good. The prices are absolutely absurd too.>>98169351I agree that melee clashes and brawls with spells and summoned entities are much cooler than having your guys being deleted from across the board. AoS might be TOO simple, but at least you get a fun timmy-esque clash in the center.
>>98169399>does AoS even have a primaris-lieutenant meme like 40k?Vampire Lords.
>>98169399We sort of had that with BoK, no?>2 Slaughterpriest kits>4-ish DeathbringersI can't really think of much model overlap like that.
Does anyone know if the helsmith gunner extra arm bits can fit on cohort bodies?
So is taars forgehost any good? I know that they do not get access to Daemonic power points and that is Taar's thing, to swap power points.. But the special rules look good.
>>98165100I mean it had neither the monster keyword nor the damage table.And honestly, it could make a good "Big but not monster big" mount for VCs
want to do my FEC with a pale vampiric flesh but can't decide if they'll look better with a cold blue undertone or a pinky red. argument for cold is dead. argument for warm is they're cannibals and would be consuming a lot of blood.
>>98169500If you have the paints for both, try one of each, and the remaining one can be a liaison from a neighboring barony.
Somehow got a second SlannIs there any good way to utilize two frogs in one army?
I still can’t picture what a dwarf golem would look like. A part of me wants it to be more magical focused rather than it just being another war machine.
>>98168045Oldcast had character, and while wider they had more realistic proportions. Nucast are for catering to subhuman redditniggers and discord trannies who never cared about the army to begin with, at the expense of people who liked stormcast. They also have greek statue proportions where the limbs are disproportionately long for how small the head is. But blind fags love that shit.
>>98169198There's a million critiques you can make of AoS' lore but in what universe is it "boring, standard fantasy" ??
>>98169806Something something Warcraft, something something corporate, something something not in TWW
Going through the last thread and man I love seeing concept art, even if it's 'just' fanmade. Always liked fitzgerald's siege chamber concept. I think it'd make a really cool ogre stonehorn proxy or somethingSpeaking of, didn't the rumours state beastclaw are getting some new mounts? Any ideas on what it'll be?
>>98169979>didn't the rumours state beastclaw are getting some new mounts?No, just that they'll get new Mournfangs
>>98170019I tracked it down and it could be read both ways imo:>As for the Beastclaw, they scoffed at these events, deeming the lot utterly mad. Mounted upon new Monsters, they simply pursued their grim hunts, tracking the Skaven beneath frigid gales.-boole
>>98169292>people choose Fantasy over 40KAre those people in the room with us?
>>98169198>>98169806A lot of Criticism of AOS ste from First >End Times destroying Fantasy line>1Ed beeing...rough to say the least>Being in close proximity of Primaris reveal so people Saw how Fatcasts where Fantasy Marines and DID NOT like that>1ED rules being a shitshow see pic>Art being very Pastel and WOW-likeBassicaly there is a reason people say "first impressions are everything". Shure a lot got better but still. People remember that.
>>98170245>>Being in close proximity of Primaris reveal so people Saw how Fatcasts where Fantasy Marines and DID NOT like thatPrimaris actually came out like 2 years after AoS launched.
>>98170307But still it did not help the "MAKE EVERYTHING MORE LIKE SPACE MARIENS" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-MzNpMD1K8
>>98170245Ngl that chess allegory applies to 4th ed too
>>98170245Picrel is schizophrenic presumptions that never came to pass, lies, and the price of paint? Very apt for 1e criticism 1st edition was trash but it wasn't because of pre-release unofficial rules which featured like four jokes obviously understood by anyone who wasn't autistic or an open format for a year like every other wargame.
>>98170368to be fair weren't those joke rule compendiums basically the only rules (aside from stormcast, khorne and fyreslayers) until the 2016 GHB and all that followed?I don't think AoS launched with rules for say CoS, but instead had the compendiums for empire, wood elves, high elves, etc etcI might be wrong though since this period only really lasted a year
Age of Sigmar.
Since we seem to be getting VERY close to the ogre refresh I wanted to get /aosg/'s opinion on the range as things stand. Picrel is what the range currently looks like. (kragnos is there for completion's sake, and blackpowder's buccaneers are an underworlds unit which does have a legends warscroll for use in AoS proper)As always, what would >(you) say are the BEST and WORST looking models here?I've also added some symbols to note the future of the kits going by the current rumours.Green check means the kits stays, blue wave means the kit will get refreshed, red cross means squatted, orange question mark means it's unsure. Some notes:>leadbelchers & frost sabresleadbelchers are apparently getting squatted, but they will get a de facto replacement in a new "hunter" unit which will be the new standard ranged ogres. Apparently frost sabres will be a part of this kit, like how the 40k space wolf headtakers have some wolves running around.>maneatersApparently they will be getting a refresh but this might not be part of this edition's wave. There will however be a named maneater character in this edition though.>gnoblarswill apparently be removed as "extra bits" in the normal ogre kits, but it's unclear what will happen to the standalone unit>slaughtermasterHasn't been mentioned but given that it's a resin kit I don't think it's long for this world. There's also mentions of a new named butcher character which is essentially what the slaughtermaster was, so yeah.
>>98170502>opinion on the range as a wholeIt's pretty solid I think. They're not 100% my cup of tea but I'm glad they exist as they add a nice archetype to AoS both ad an army and in the fluff. Gorkamorka is stupid, everwinter 4life>best models I like the humble gluttons, leadbelchers, the 2019 tyrant, and the mournfang a lot. Favourite has to be the firebelly though, love that guy>worst modelsAside from the firebelly the other 2005 resin character models look pretty rough. Slaughtermaster is probably the worst of the bunch. Never much liked the yhetees either, they should've been fatties too.
>>98170502I dislike the Bloodpelt so I expect the whole release will look terrible
>>98170598The only real problem with the bloodpelt is his fugly head
you guys think they'll announce slaanesh later or will it be all 40k focused?
>>98170859For the Sunday preview?It's either AoS Slaanesh and the Generals Handbook or new Rohan models and book for MESBG, if anything is being previewed that is
I hope ghoulchad is prepared for a couple of mini ghoulforts
>>98171073Isnt this implying more CoS vehicles or am I reading it wrong
>>98171099Yeah, it's implying little cog contraptions. Guess we really are Fantasy Imperial Guard.
>>98171099Yup.There's also this which feels more like conversion idea fodder but still
>>98169500>>98169563Think I’m diggin the warm fleshy look, which was my initial gut instinct
no AoS sorry>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/s7gr9dmd/sunday-preview-dawn-of-the-new-edition/
>>98171272Blighted Wilds Greenskinz conversions tbhon
>>98171099GW fears world building AoS without models so yeah
>>98171272>terrain area Huh? Is terrain in 40k now 2d? What's going on there.>>98171301Why yes, my ardboyz are from Chamon, how could you tell?
>>98171445Viiiiiiiince!
>>98171301AoS desperately needs some orks that aren’t just covered in yellow scrap metal.
>>98171492Literally just paint them anything else?
>>98171301The proportions on new orks have made worried
>>98171497It’s not the color that’s the issue it’s the inherent design. The marketing doesn’t help though.
>>98171492???
>>98169437It might be better than the default rules because you get army wide buffs for free every round instead of needing to shuffle around dick points that require your commander not be dead. The movement phase ability basically means you never lose your infantry, and the spell and prayer lore spells along with the added 6 up wards for war machines means it's really fucking hard to kill anything in the army. A guy in my local league was running Taars grand forgehost and did pretty well for himself.
>>98171272aos did just get a huge army release like 2 weeks ago and the new 40k edition is rolling out, so its no surprise to me that we'd get a few weeks off. the whole cities and cogfort press tour just wrapped like last week
Are liberators multipart or are they all etb stuff like in skaventide
>>98170125>he posted this in the AoS thread without a shred of irony
>>98171619They're the same as the skaventide box
you can call aos a lot of things but boring isnt one of them
>>98171649yes, I can
Are there any pdfs yet for the 4th edition battletomes for the sylvaneth, dok and/or cos yet?
>>98171682nope. scan anon was shot by GW 2 months ago.
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>>98171760i wonder how ardboyz would look with kruleboyz skareshields?
>tfw assembeling Cauldron of BloodAnd the wors part? I will add more to It
>>98171272We're still in the midst of the 11th edition launch but surely mawtribes will be in the next week or two
>>9817156440k/fantasy autists cant handle any orcs who's bodyshape isnt a sausagey cube
>>98171879>>98171879>>98171879
>>98171564Those a Morks, not Orcs.
>>98171773It would scale wellDefinitely a nice set up for some TOW Biguns I guess, with classic Blanche style shields
>>98171760>horns >fur cape>asymmetry it's fucking cheating, I swear to god
>>98171905Why are there so few examples of multi- Orc armies? Big Waaagh is a thing but there's almost no content about it. The idea of a Kruleboy-Ironjaw mashup is super appealing but I can't find any examples where they've actually been tied together.
>>98171996Venn diagram of people who like Ironjawz and people hwo like Kruleboyz is just 2 circles
