balding grey fatass editionPrevious Heresy: >>98140265 >HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/qdYzem>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread Question: new unit just dropped: Razorback or Solar Aux proto-dread, you can only pick one CHOOSE
lobotomized repost30chuds I'm repainting my Raven Guard Recon Company (2.0) and I'm trying to figure out a scheme to keep things cohesive. I wasn't pleased with my original scheme of mid grey w/ camo shoulderpad. let me know if below sounds cool:Tacs+Vets: Charcoal grey w/camo net scrim on pads or power pack and appropriate markings for the unitSeekers: Camo body with head and right pad in whiteRecon: Full camo body and ghillie cloaksVehicles: various combinations of aboveCamo will be like a field applied spray scheme like Badab alternate plates or that Pioneer White Scar in Book 9. I'm thinking dark olive with red brown secondary color maybe a grey blue green too>pic related current scheme
>>98161089>TQCan we have a transport, other than Spartan, that can move more troops, not less?
A whole bunch of Blood Angels questions from a lazybones to any kind soul:1. Were the Sanguinary Guard a thing during the Heresy, or was that founded after Sanguinius died? 2. If yes to the above, did they wear the "death masks" that 40K SG are known for, or just regular power armour helmets?3. What mark of power armor did they use? Or was it not tied to any particular armor mark, just jump pack elites?
>>98161089>>Thread QuestionSA proto-dread. Always have wanted to see human piloted dreadnoughts, they're mentioned in some cool older lore.Originally Jagathai rode on top of a razorback when he went to re-capture the space port during the Siege of Terra, so even those could be excused
why do iron hands have such black hebrew israelite vibes, post-istvaan?
>>98161111Marines already got plenty of very fitting large transports:>Storm eagle>Thunderhawk>Kharybdis drop pod>Mastodon>StormbirdYou just meant in plastic, right?
>>98161126remind me which moon the black hebrew israelites dropped on who?
>>981611151.Yes2.Both, like in 40k, but the regular helmets are more common in the art3.Going by BL art: artificer Mk4 very similar to the old 40k kit. But the latest GW online media had mk6 Assault marines with the BA resin upgrades (gotta sell those)
>>98161153dropped dat boat on dey eaters fr
>>98161177more
>>981611151. The Sanguinary guard started as the personal bodyguard of Sanguinius. They very much were a big thing, even long before the HH started2. They did wear death masks, fashioned from the likeness of fallen brothers, to honour the dead and strike fear into their enemies. 3. Sanguinary guard wear such elaborate artificer armour that it can be hard to tell which pattern of power armour it originally was, and there aren't any details about it in the lore as far as I know. But during the HH, Mk IV would be the most likely.
>>98161189another
>>98161210And the more recent kitbash featured in GW media
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>>98161089Ill take a razorback. It sounds like it would be a very good unit in 3e "transporthammer" and the general IFV vs APC dichotomy probably still applies generally.
>>98161126To give this a more serious answer than it deserves: because the underlying psychological problems are somewhat the same. The black israelite thing is a shame response, its inventing yourself a new history because the one you "normally have" makes you embarassed. The Iron Hands post ferrus getting destroyed by a twink were similarly "broken", they had no underlying cultural point to take pride in because the pillars of their identity were shattered.
>>98161133Three of those are superheavies that would basically never see a game and the other 2 are lame flyers
>>98161287Oh, so you're just a dumb retard with wrong opinions.
>>98161111Why? Give me a good case for it.The regular rhino has a capacity of 12, thats more than enough for every normal size squad. If you want to move a 20 man deathstar, you have the spartan for it. A big and expensive transport for units of an exceptional size. If you want even more transport capacity, you have various superheavies. So whats the requirement? "I want a big transport capacity transport but cheap"? Why on earth should marines have that. Theyre not a swarm faction, this isnt orks or militia.
>>98161303Meanwhile...
>>98161329Yea, thats like 12 dudes there in the image. Its just an open topped rhino.If you want THAT? >Rhino, either -1AV on front sides or the old "open-topped" rule where blasts and templates hit the guys inside. Assault vehicle.
>>98161340>you can clearly count 16 visible marines>with enough space for a few more>"that's like 12"Is this called a Techmarine's Dozen?
>>98161360Its so packed theyre literally spilling out of the top and theres still only around a dozen marines visible in the vehicle.
>>98161329not happening
>>98161389One day...
I have thought about working on my own edition of HH rules that combines the best aspects of all 3 editions. Would any of you even be interested in something like that? Or is it best to just have the 3 editions and people just play their flavor? I think all editions do some things right but all are far from perfect. Thoughts?
Predator battle tank or predator support tank?
When buying 2nd hand, how much of a discount is worth it?
>>98161447depends on which main gun you wantsupport weapons seem more interesting to me
>>98161227looks like shit
>>98161479yes
>>98161486Thats the fun thing, im not entirely certain. The plasma (and obviously C beamer) seem really solid, but the vibe of the predator autocannon does somewhat appeal to me. And I kind of like the idea of a pair of predators are little wingmen to my big kratos (has to be two or its not symmetrical). So whatever the loadout ends up being ill probably end up running two. Maybe melta since thats what the kratos has?
>>98161488On a paintjob level its really good. Its darker than 40k SG but its keeping with the more weathered/"realistic" look of FW/HH stuff. But yes, sanguinary guard look kinda "wrong" without their more ornate armor. Or at least the winged jump packs. Maybe they were just "golden armor marines" in the heresy or whatever, but their aesthetic is so strongly tied to their 40k counterparts that you might just have to swallong the anachronism.
>>98161089Proto-dread. I'm surprised militia and SA never got one in the 10+ years of this game but I guess you could use sentinel rules as a count as for militia at least.
>>98161504>I kind of like the idea of a pair of predators are little wingmen to my big kratossameI think I'll definitely build one with conversion beamer and for the second I'm thinking about full volkite loadout because it would make sense as an escort tank for my anti-armor kratos
>>98161652>different loadoutsI couldnt, my autism wouldnt allow me to have them mismatched like that.
they're a little short, but maybe you could run karaphron breachers/destroyers as militia sentinels?just fluff some of the other guns as a lascannon etc
>>98161303>If you want to move a 20 man deathstar, you have the spartan for itOh no!>So whats the requirement? "I want a big transport capacity transport but cheap"? Why on earth should marines have that.It is my sincere belief that transports for Troop-class squads should not cost more than the squad itselfLR-class heavy transports are viable tanks on their own, and can conceivably work even without a cargo capacity (e.g.: LR Achilles). They are more than a transport.But for carrying 20 despoilers we don't want a powerful vehicle that can also fight other tanks. All we want is a delicious long Rhino.And it WILL look ugly. Like, I hate it already.
>>98161661I'm not even sure kataphrons are a thing in 30k fluff.
>>98161656it's overthen go for melta with las sponsons and dozer blade, so they can zip around and frag tanks while kratos acts as DISTRACTION CARNIFEX
>>98161662A 20 man deathstar is not "troop class"
>>98161670I don't think they are mentioned, but we know gun servitors are a staple of Mars' armies.Unless you go by the black books, where no skitarii is to be found, they are right beyond the horizon, you just missed them
Whats even the point of plasma executioner predators vs the C beamer ones? for when youre within 15"? But even then you have a 10" move and can just drive back and shoot. Breaching 4+ is worse than flat Ap3, surely.
>>98161681It is literally a troop option, anon
>>98161683There are skitarii mentioned in the belicosa potentis omnissiah in iirc the third black book. They were going to be released in the martian civil war black book eventually and that became a rather shit 2.0 book. Also in 30k they usually use automata rather than servitors in combat.
>>98161695So are terror squads/grey stalkers. So were veterans and terminators with pride of the legion.A 20 man despoiler squad with options starts pushing 300pts. It is not "troop class" in terms of weight class, the average tactical squad is like 100.
>>98161419Play 3rd with adapted 1st edition legion traits (except for dark angels and raven guard, they get 3rd edition traits because fuck that retarded multiple trait shit), done.
>>98161686>kid named assault squad or jetbikes
>>98161758If theyre ending up that close theyre probably charging and killing your tank anyways. If theyre not in charge range, you can move back and shoot the medium profile. Getting 15" range on a m12 tank doesent seem super hard.
>>98161686If you're getting 40" sight lines across the board you need to stop playing on American tables, not shit the conversion beamer will be better if you completely remove the main hinderance, especially in 3rd
>>98161786You get Ap3 d2 at 15". And while im sure you definetly play on boards where all lines of sight are actually a maximum of 8", in the real world 15+ is a very reasonable thing to get.
>>98161708Eh, Grey Stalkers are the SW's troops considering how divergent th-TERROR SQUADS ARE TROOPS?! What the hell, they used to be Elites! Five of them costed 115 pts, which made them be more than double the cost of Tacticals.And now 10 of them cost mere 15 pts more than 10 of Despoilers, but they get Hatred and Fear?10 of them cost mere 5 pts more than Inductii?! This is outrageous! It's unfair!! They should be Elites or Fast Attack or something else
>>98161882>Five of them costed 115 pts,Still do! And theyre still WS4 W1!>And now 10 of them cost mere 15 pts more than 10 of Despoilers, but they get Hatred and Fear?No, 5 of them cost more than 10 despoilers. Theyre 18ppm. 23ppm with their chainglaives. And they lost infiltrate.
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>>98161896>>98161890Aah I got scared for a moment. Oof +18 per model ouch! RIP their Infiltrate. Infiltration got nerfed, maybe they could afford to keep it?But it still feels weird to have them as troops
>>98161907And it doesent for grey stalkers that have the same stats and get all power weapons for +5ppm AND theyre cheaper?
>>98161911I have issue with the entire pack being able to get power weapons. That was wrong then, it's still wrong now imo.Though the price of +5 pts actually seems right. It's the full squad access what I'd object to.
>>98161933>Though the price of +5 pts actually seems right
>>98161989Indeed. They are not swapping chainswords of S(User). It is Fenrisian Axes of S+1 and conditional A+1
>>98162000Thats like saying WE should have 5ppm power weapons because they swap chainaxes for them.
>>98162004Chainaxes are equivalent to chainswords everywhere I look.
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>>98162091KEK
>>98161686this is a really trivial probability problem and I'm not even slightly shocked you can't do it yourself
almost finished with proonting the parts for a cerastus acheron, looks like its all been turning out well so farwill end up with a questoris crusader (avenger/thermal cannon), castigator, and this in the way of a knight trio and my LoW lust will surely be sated
>>98161089hello i am indian
>>98162526Are you under the water?
>>98162526did dian consent
>>98161389
>>98161662so, you want a marine gorgon?
>>98162803>m'gorgon
>>98162091It's an old meme, but it checks out
>>98161395>Human centipede but Rhinos
Are command tanks a thing in Horus Heresy? I’m trying to map out a plan for a heavy armor siege force and sort of want to go around 50% tanks/dreads in my army if possible.
>>98163201Yes. Theres the command sparta, command dracosan, armored command russ, and the command rhino.
>>98161514Yes the paintjob is fine, but they need their nipples abs ornate armor to shine
Any salamander bros here, what green do you use?
>>98163317Caliban green, they are simply better and more relevant than us.
>>98163598too dark
>>98163487>not using the old long snouted beakieNGMI
would a kind anon be willing to share scans of mailed fist tactica?posting model as payment
>>98163317mix of vallejo angel green and army painter guardian green
>>98163317goblin
>>98163668>>98163690thanks frends
Do Space Marines have a unit that can serve as a Tar Pit? Like can I drive a few Rhinos up the board and have squads of dudes hop out to bog down the enemy and then die?
>>9816406720 despoilers in a spartan
>>98163213Neat. It definitely makes this a much more long term project since I’m basically starting from nothing.
Do Inductii have any other markers beyond being in Beakie armor most of the time?
>>98163201Other than the ones in 3.0 in 1.0 most tanks that can be squadroned and superheavies can be turned into command tanks.
>>981641472.0 has some schemes specific to them in siege of cthonia which iirc boiled down to "has a x colored stripe on their head" "use vet markings despite being inductii" and 1.0's "they use minimal legion iconography/colors because they haven't earned them yet".
>>98164147Would you like them to have? I pretend they have armour of lesser quality, such as using leather gloves instead of articulated gauntlets
>>98164349I figure they may be more stripped down in terms of Legion decoration than regular Legion members. I really like the idea behind the Inductii, I just can’t figure what their role is on the table versus a regular tactical squad. Unless the cheaper points cost and less war gear options is the role and I’m just overthinking it.
>>98164450>tacts/tss/despoilers/etc with some special rules and less optionsDepends on the legion but that's pretty much it. You might be overthinking it.
Disregarding rules and only focusing on style, would it be appropriate to stick Mechanicum bits on Iron Hands to further reinforce just how close their ties are? Thinking about the new Hastarii.
>>98164077LC will rekt them, surely cataphractii are better tarpit >>98164067
>>98164147Their got their own marking to show they are poverty, what legion do you play?
>>98164546Which parts? The hands are tiny on astartes
Anybody ever used tamiya mark fit (standard) for applying decals?I’ve asked in other spots and figured I’d ask here.Local shop sells them and I’m pretty sure Ak gloss acrylic varnish is enough to protect the acrylic painted layers so I will avoid the strong variant.Need advice lads. The local hobby shop only sells tamiya protects like their cement and paints in the scale model section.No wargaming side.>>98161089>tqSolar auxilia proto dread.I’d go with marine stuff but the hipster in me would make it so I would use thunder warrior stls instead of actual marines.I’m not sure what my stl options really are.Especially when most stls are overly greeble messes.
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>>98164876I am suprised that during such a gigantic war the legions had not only the time to repaint the reused armour, but also add signs to them. Besides maybe something like splashing white/yellow/blue on the helmet, so that your own units know those aren't to be trusted. Like in real war.
>>98164852Cogs, Kataphron heads. Bionics, servo claws. Belts with cables etc.
>>98164895They're superhumans who need very little sleep and can't coom in their spare time.
>>98164895do you have any real war pictures of this?
>>98164919I wish there was a version of space marine helmet that my ancestors wore. But this is a british game, so we are going to see a Burgundian inspired thing around when the Sun expires.
>>98164925duck tape, splash of paint or duck tape around the helmets.
>>98164147nothing really standardized. depends on the legion, and even within legions it might vary by chapter or company. they provided some examples of what inductii might look like, but feel free to make up your own inductii markings
>>98164933That makes sense, you know what I now remember cadian conscripts from the black crusade book in 40k, they just had a white stripe on their helmet to mark them.
What are anons views on this look for Templar Brether inspired force? Too un HH or kosher enough to play games?
Thinking about adding Daemons to my Word Bearers and I'm having a hard time figuring out why I would bring an Esoterist95 points he lets me bring a daemon brute detachment & he can then use a power to automatically bring them in from reserves.Vs. just bringing an ally Daemon detachment - I can take a Harbringer for 135 points who can bring them in automatically AND let them charge on the same turn.As well as having an insane stat line w/ Paragon of Battle.What am I missing.
>>98165028If you're asking for permission to use Pr*maris models the answer is "No" and "We don't want your kind here".
>>98165033Not much really. Esoterist is a cheap way to get fear 1 and an archeotech pistol, not much else.
>>98165050Based.
>>98165050I asking about the colour scheme and helmets. Not the exact 1 to 1 model.
>>98165028>>98165072trench crusade should absolutely be held in mind if one is wanting to take their marines in a gnarlier direction than is standard, yes
>>98165079what is trench crusade? some sort of special "trench warfare" version of Horus Heresy, like crusade for w40k?
>>98164926To be fair there's not really a Britbong legion either. Maybe the Dark Angle's could count as both? Burgundian's are just confused German's though.
>>98165090it's some dumb skrimish-scale wargame that dabbles a little more upfrontly in depicting thing in seriously fucking grave sorts of lights, especially in the way of finished miniatures as faggot fortress prescribes it
>>98165096Burgundians were a noble stock of suo ipso people. Their tragedy was that the French and the Germans were driven by jealousy, and destroyed the greatest culture ever created in history of Europe. I wish there was a legion to represent them. Gilded gold and royal purples, flamboyant Burgonets, a flair for the quality things in life. the perfect knights, jousting masters and blade masters.
>>98165096>there's not really a Britbong legion eitheryour death guard?
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>>98165205those look great. I didn't know GW made helms like that. I will ask at my store, if they can order those for me. At least for a squad of veterans.
>>98165141>>98165096Didn't IH also recruit from Albion?DA definitely, Arthurian and King Arthur is very british.
>>98165236>I didn't know GW made helms like that.They don't, it's a third party STL
>>98165280Ah. Well good for others then. Mighty fine helmets though.
>>98161662And it is my sincere belief that if you want to get a 20-man Despoiler squad to move faster you should give them jump packs>>98161793So you don't actually need your c-beam to fight termies?>>98164067Breachers/Assault squad, lots of warm bodies and invuln saves>>98164831I feel like the 220 for the LR you need to get the Catas anywhere disqualifies them from being a tarpitLike srsly it's 370pts for a unit you expect to literally do nothing but die >>98165140So you want to play Emperor's Children?
>>98165287Amen. Wish there was a full armor set
>>98165296>So you don't actually need your c-beam to fight termies?Termies are likely to be in a big armored transport anyways, and I dont know how good predator plasma even is for that anyways. Both of the guns seem best suited to splatting big squads of MEQ/VEQ, HSS, tacticals, vets that arent in cover. That sort of thing. The C beamers big profile is mostly overkill, although its nice vs custodes I guess where it does kill one banana unsaved wound.
Hey folks. Did we get a scan of the Custards Liber?
>>98165813Yes.
>>98161419Want to write one myself lmao>>98165724>c-beamMy point exactly, by the time you actually get a chance to shoot the terminators they're within 30" of your c-beam and you can't actually get AP2>executionerThe executioner has D2 and AP2 on 4s to wound when using maximal fire (no one gives a shit about sustained fire) so it's definitely a decent anti-TEQ weaponIt's just that the castraferrum dread is a much better way of taking plasma
>>98161227This reeks of shit.
>>98166015>It's just that the castraferrum dread is a much better way of taking plasmaPraise upon the venerable ancient ones. No joke, for some reason the plasma contemptors I've seen never get as many breaching hits as the castraferrum dreads sometimes do.
>>98165813don't read it you might troon out
>>98166059Kino gramps
>>98164895you know what? I'm glad russia is deadit had that weird smell
>>98164852makes it look bigger
>>98164895You have to remember than everyone in 40k is a vain moron. Do you think all the gilded armor and medieval ostentation is there for a practical purpose? Or because everyone involved has the emotional maturity of a 13yo on 20kg of sugar and just wants to look cool? The imperium will gladly sacrifice trillions of lives if it means the marines can look cool.
>>98164895But also: The horus heresy is not like "real wars" as you are thinking about. It is not one continuous deployment.When looked at on the micro scale? Im sure most marines werent actually busy getting their color schemes and heraldry in order, that on any given warzone after a prolonged attritional clash both sides are going to be down to borderline unpainted ceramite using whatever basic elements to distinguish themselves they can. But the horus heresy isnt endless war, as much as it is a series of intense conflicts followed by the inherent respite of void travel. And when theyre on their ships, when theyre getting infuctii or resupplying? They have legions of slaves to repaint, repair and replace.
>>98166237>"They have legions of slaves to repaint, repair and replace...."Unless youre the Word Bearers. Fucking hell, every god damned story was them sacrificing serfs and legion slaves by the void ship load. At some point youd think they would just be down to the servitors left....
>>98166249Human life is literally the lowest denomination of currency in the imperium. And it wasnt any different back in 30k.
>>98166253The story "shadowsword" showed just how fucking stupid that part of "grim dark" can be. Whole thing opens up with a planetary governess telling the administratum that they LITERALLY ARE ALL OUT of men for the tithe, and the nigga straight up says "make your children work then".Yeah, because then after making all the kids work in the factory, which leads to everything in the factory turning into complete dogshit as well as causing factory accidents to go up exponentially wouldnt cause even MORE problems. Im sorry, but there are some parts of it that just get so stupid they go out of the realm of "silly and grim-dark" right into the realm of "absolutely retarded".
>>98166276>because then after making all the kids work in the factory, which leads to everything in the factory turning into complete dogshit as well as causing factory accidents to go up exponentially wouldnt cause even MORE problems.This is literally just "totalitarianism" for you. It doesent matter what the 2nd order effects are, you fulfill your quota or you get shot. When the supreme leader tells you "we need 2000 tanks" and your factory only makes 1000? You drop standards and make 2000, it doesent matter if the result is garbage, only that you fulfilled the quota. If the order comes down that you need to send 10,000 men off for whatever reason? You find 10,000 men, even if you have to pull them from sick-beds and out of prams. You are thinking of these sorts of regimes as "everyone acting with an ideological altruism where they consider what would be best within a framework of reason", when that isnt how such systems work. Its about following orders as exactly as possible, no matter what those orders are. You dont question them - thats how you get shot - you just do as you're told no matter what your reason might tell you. If the order comes down that the village has to supply X grain and they only have X grain? Theyre going to starve, but you will make sure they deliver X grain, even if it means they will all be dead and not produce any more grain.Authoritarian regimes are built on obedience, not logic and efficiency.
>>98166311>You are thinking of these sorts of regimes as "everyone acting with an ideological altruism where they consider what would be best within a framework of reason"Actually, nah, im not. Im thinking of "they literally RAN OUT OF men, and short of them doing tech-heresy/actual heresy, they couldnt just magically make another 50,000 appear out of thin air. Its stupid because you have other worlds like Krieg who MIGHT be just doing some form of baby farm cloning shenanigans, but they get a pass just because. And I know, it actually all just comes down to the fact that the wh30/40k extended universe is a fucking mess with WAY too many cooks in the kitchen barely, if at all, cross communicating with each other and with BARELY a "lore bible" to work with (more of a falling apart kept together with squig spit "lore outline").
>>98166311I have not read shadowsword, so I dont know the full context, but you also have to remember that in the same way everyone isnt this perfectly rational agent seeking to maximize benefit to the imperium as much as possible, they also dont know all things and cannot trust everyone perfectly. Would the administratum know the planetary governor is telling the truth? Or would they simply think that its someone making excuses to lessen their own burden? Are they simply trying to get out of unwelcome obligations? Are they trying to evade paying their share for nefarious reasons? The bread and butter of systems like the imperium is paranoia and obedience. Anyone acting out of line is an inherent threat precisely because of how little anyone else actually knows. When a planet reorganizes its systems of production and storage to be more efficient it might seem to them like they are going to be more productive for the imperium. It might seem to someone else like theyre trying to hide something to fuel their personal ambitions, maybe secession even. Everyone is scared of everyone and everyone is out to get everyone else before they get them. This is true both on the personal level (you will watch your neighbours and report on those neighbours if they do something weird, and they will likewise do that for you) and on the institutional level, where entire factions within the system are in endless cold war against each other out of fear that the other guys are secretly harboring evil thoughts (or more basic conflicts over power and influence).
>>98166338>Actually, nah, im not. Im thinking of "they literally RAN OUT OF men, and short of them doing tech-heresy/actual heresy, they couldnt just magically make another 50,000 appear out of thin air"And? So what? Do you think your circumstances exempt you from paying your dues? What would happen to the state if everyone complained about their personal circumstances and avoided providing what they should?"Once again think of the "the poor farmers only have enough grain to feed themselves for the winter" thing. That may well be true, but it does not matter, they pay their quota of grain no matter what, if they starve they starve. You can find any number of reasons for why the officer collecting wont care. Maybe he thinks theyre lying, maybe he will be shot if he fails to do his job, maybe he thinks their suffering or possible death is worth it for the greater project. Maybe he just doesn't care about any of it and simply wants to do his job. The "grimderp" of the imperium is simply the normal issues of the sorts of regimes its often inspired by scaled up to the galactic. So instead of "the government took all the food and theres a famine in a village" you have "the government took all the food and a planet starves". Instead of "someone said the old man was talking foreign so the secret police came and took him to be tortured to death" its "someone said the old man was doing heresy so the city/city block got purged". Its NK or the USSR or whatever else in space, and those sorts of states are more concerned with ensuring obedience and order at all costs than making sure things run as efficiently as possible long term. I
>>98165028This does not read as HH marines, no. It could work for a militia force, but marines in horus heresy have a pretty clean aesthetic for the most part. If you just mean the color scheme? Go for it. But the helmet is probably a step too far.
My LGS has a free Immolator that is mine if I want it.My only dilemma is what could it be in HH? It's outrageously ornate, has a hull-mounted bolter, and a tank turret, do I proxy it as a miltia Russ?
>>98161750>Play the shittest edition, but with the most broken Legion traits to really drive home that you're sucking on a big stinky log of turdThis is your brain on drugs.
>>98161750Neither DA nor RG had multiple traits in 1e, you fucking tourist.
>>98166567Get it and you can probably make that a Word Bearer's command tank.
>>98166839NTA, but yes they did you retard, Dark Angels had the Hexagrammaton and the 6 rites of war and Raven Guard had two different traits depending on if you were Terminators/Jump Infantry or otherwise
>>98166839>Neither DA nor RG had multiple traits in 1e, you fucking tourist.Absolutely bizarre claim to make.>>98166943I thought RG had 3? Falcons, Hawks, and Raptors?
>>98161089death guard and iron boys vs dark angels and mechanicum
>>98165296Not everyone's a blood angel. We don't all want to fly
>>98166970>I thought RG had 3? Falcons, Hawks, and Raptors?Thats in 2e (or at least: "thats their 2e trait, their 1e trait might have been different")
>>98161750>Play 3rd with adapted 1st edition legion traitsRetarded. 3e traits are the best theyve been with the possible exception of WB (who are just really boring and their shattered legion rule is much more interesting). Theyre balanced, elegant and yet thematic/evocative of the legion theyre meant to represent. Besides the aforementioned WB the only issue is salamanders having two for no fucking reason. So just drop one of those (your pick) and its perfect.
>>98167100I’m the anon that proposed the idea of combing all edition rules into a singular fun ruleset. I appreciate your opinion on the legion traits. What are things you dislike about 3rd edition and things you appreciated from 1st and 2nd? I’m actually inclined to take this on.
>>98166970No, in 1.0 it was all units got infiltrate, except for units in terminator armor or with jump packs which got furious charge and I think hit and run? That last one might have been a rite of war or corax rule.
>>98167172The biggest issue with 3rd is definetly "lack of options". Theres some balance issues (thunder hammers still generally ideal weapons in marine vs marine, power weapons not worth it most of the time, the "power weapon upgrade" tier weapons generally not being worth it compared to hammers/claws/fists/max tier weapons and so on) but those are kind of "eternal" and compared to previous editions the balance is the best its been. The trade-off is that theres fewer options than before. And while im generally a defender of it ("why no thunder hammer chaplains!" is a stupid complaint and the generally more fixed loadouts are for the most part/for a large part a good thing) it goes to absurd places in some cases (the champion ONLY has a combi melta or serpenta, command squads EITHER have a bolter upgrade or a melee weapon, cant have a combat shield and a bolter upgrade....). Four turn games also lead to extremely aggressive play, its not necessarily "bad" (in that its a valid style of play/game) but it does force lists into a certain format and makes things very "high impact" and punishes things with slower payoffs. Deep strike in 3rd is decent, but its not perfect. No charge from DS is good, no matter what 2e apologists will tell you, but the fact that its hard capped to one unit per turn is a killer for build variety, youre punished for going DS heavy (to the extent thats even possible) in a really "un-thematic way" (no mass drop/termite assault, no mass jump assaults, theres a NL apex where three units get deep strike as the benefit, but you only ever want to DS one of them...).A less precise (d6" scatter?) deep strike, with the ability to drop in multiple units in one turn (or some other solution, because "unlimited precise DS is also going to be too much probably) would probably be a welcome change. It still allows DS to function how it should (a way to get units into precise positions quickly) but wont make it the "drop in suicide ranged unit" option.
>>98165090Skirmish wargame set in fantasy WW1. Rules by the guy who did mordheim.
>>98167376>Deep strike in 3rd is decentIdk, it seems hosed. The Master of Descent made things a little better, but you should still be able to do a real drop pod assault
>>98167657Yes, its MUCH weaker than in 2e, but 2e deep strike was a cancer. Mass DS in 2e was so powerful that you needed the insane interceptor reaction spam to have any chance of dealing with it. That interceptor reaction spam made anything less than "mass deep strike" a liability in most cases. It was a bad system because charging from deep strike is bad. >>98167657>but you should still be able to do a real drop pod assaultI dont know if "all DS" is good design (try balancing a list built around "your opponent doesent get a first turn") but yea, the option to deep strike in more than one unit is lacking. A solution I saw floated around was essentially "deep strike detachments", where all units with DS from a single detachment (aux/apex/whatever) can DS in the same turn.
Eviscerator chainswords/heavy chainswords as the special NL chain weapons. Thoughts?
>>98167704eviscerators as BA Prime Advantage for any model with a heavy chainsword/heavy chainaxe/chainfist and it replaces the profile with a more brutal one, but they come with Hatred (Everything) and a forced Gambit that hurts you if you lose a round in the Challenge and a forced Aftermath option that hurts you if you lose the Combat, but the Gambit and Aftermath don't double punish youheavy thunder hammers for NL because a) what why what the fuck is happening and b) gangland punishment dahoy
>>98167918Im not talking about rules, I mean the models (as a counts as).
>>98166943>Hexagrammaton and the 6 rites of warThose weren't part of the DA legion trait. Hexagrammaton were upgrades that cost points (way too expensive so nobody took them) And if we're counting rites of war as separate traits then every legion had multiple traits by that definition.
>>98167927oh i guess yeah, a glaive is really a polearm tho
WE Despoiler sarge loadout? Just twin claws or something more interesting?
Has anyone done a kitbash like picrel with the numk2 & numk3? Mk3 chest on a mk2 everything else?
>>98168129Consider a master sergeant prime armed with a barb hook lash to dish out some phage (S) at initiative +1. A single unsaved wound from the lash gimps the entire target unit -1 strength for the remainder of the battle. It gives you some interesting opportunities to degrade expensive enemy units or tarpit them.
>lascannon deredeo>lascannon land raider>breachers with 2 lascutters in a rhino>contemptor achillusIs this a reasonable amount of anti tank for 3k? Casual game v NL so I am not too worried about something ridiculous like double kratos.
>impulse buy cerastus knight because it's looks cool>spend way too much time trying to make a list with it in new recruit>actually read the rules for allies>can't ally knights in legiones astartes list (for now)anyways, are any knight house allied with Iron Warriors in the lore?
>>98168467>lord of war detachments can be any faction (core rulebook pages 281 and 284)>a single armiger talon may be selected alongside an army that contains a model with the freeblade faction trait in a lord of war or questoris familia primary detachmemt, questoris medicant, without requiring any associated prime advantage (liber questoris page 18)>each unit selected as part of a lord of war detachment with the questoris medicant trait may take a prime advantage (liber questoris page 18)>when the scion aspirant household rank prime advantage is selected, one additional armiger talon may be selected (liber questoris page 21)You can take an imperial knight so long as it meets cost limits. You can then also take 4 armigers without scion aspirant, 8 with, so long as knights don't become half or more of your points cost. The knight allying rules are incredibly flexible, to the point you can bring a knight as an ally to Custodes, and then take Solar Aux as well (Custodes specifically forbid the default ally detachment.)
XVIIth are my fav legion
>>98168396Sounds like plenty of AT. Personally I don't consider land raiders AT, their damage sucks if they moved, and if they aren't moving they aren't doing their main job delivering a melee rape squad into the enemy's lines
>>98168467So you didn't actually read all the relevant rules for allies, particularly concerning knights. Try again.Illiteracy is a plague.
>>98167012He didn't fly so good.
>>98168317no because nu marks are shit and the old marks are kino
>>98167008is that abbadon?
>>98167172Everything losing Heavy/Ordnance (X) as soon as they move is a problem imoKills the viability of basically all of your non-outrider cav and makes basically all of your non-HSS lascannon platforms pointlessTransports and AV14 are also problems that need fixingThere shouldn't be a world where the premier anti-superheavy solution is veteran breachers in a rhino>>98166567Salamanders pred with a decurion I guess?>>98167678>DS in generalI was thinking about locking this behind characters and to specific detachmentsSo yes you can DS an entire detachment but you have to take Sanguinius and it only works on the BA-specific detachment so you can't just drop 3 jetbike command squads on your opponentOn the flip side if your opponent sees a BA list with Sanguinius and doesn't prepare for DS he deserves what he gets anyway>suicide ranged unithas always been a thing as it's the natural consequence of not being able to charge from DSIt's just that it's much easier to use now because there's no scatter on DS so you can drop 10 meltas with pinpoint precision behind a superheavy and literally nuke its ass
>>98168952>Everything losing Heavy/Ordnance (X) as soon as they move is a problem imo>Kills the viability of basically all of your non-outrider cav and makes basically all of your non-HSS lascannon platforms pointlessI dont know if I agree. Heavy weapons are a fun dichotomy (and no longer snapshoot, so the nerf HAS to be pretty significant), if you cant line up a shot with your 48" lascannons without needing to move either you played badly and should be punished or your opponent played well and should be rewarded. >transports and Av14also fine, transports are powerful and the iconic transport of the marine line (the rhino) is useful for multiple units and purposes. Av14 is hard to deal with and the vehicles that have it feel tanky - as they should - rather than having lascannons (one of the most common heavy weapons in the game) solve anti tank for everyone. Instead everyone now has a reason to use all the various "super big" guns the armies have. >There shouldn't be a world where the premier anti-superheavy solution is veteran breachers in a rhinoAnd they arent (because for all the power the rhino rush gives them, your opponent having his superheavy within 20~ inches (unscreened) of your vet breachers is not some guaranteed thing, while laser destroyers and other such guns have a much more effective threat range and cant be stopped by the strategy of "putting a squad of tacticals in the way". But they are A solution, because breachers have always had the "big killing" guns (meltas and lascutters) and vet breachers have more of those guns. The squad with four lascutters SHOULD be a big threat to vehicles. >I was thinking about locking this behind characters and to specific detachmentsI dont know if thats necessary, but it might require testing. I think something as simple as "shock assault - when a unit arrves via deep strike reserve, you may bring on any other units from the same detachment that have passed their reserve roll via DS"
>wanting to add the Spartan Promtheus Command Tank to my army when it comes out>it takes up a high command slot>for a unit to ride in it it also needs to have the command key word on model if I’m reading rightLmao would it be strange for what’s obviously a Praetor to ride in the tank as a Centurion or another “count as this” command model?
>>98169027The tank crew outranks the praetor, obvs
>>98169049Presumably yes, since the implication is that the commander of the tank is himself a high ranking officer (same for the command rhino). Its a command and control vehicle that houses high ranking dudes as essentially a mobile bunker for them to direct the battle from.
>>98169027>>98169049Perturabo has his own super heavy tank so I don't see why not
>>98169027>Spartan Promtheus Command Tankdoes it do anything interesting or is it just "Tank and +1 to deep strike rolls"
Do you guys usually put the vexilla on your Tactical Squads? I keep reading that it’s fine to leave off unless you’re planning on making them into melee units, but would like more opinions.
>>98169172It’s also cool
>>98169184Lots of things are cool
>>98168998>HeavyOK, so what's the point of taking a tri-las predator instead of sitting a HSS in terrain? Like I'm not saying preds should get to move a whole foot and still get full firepower or something, having combat/cruising speed back would be nice, would even give sabres a niche>transports and AV14The lascutter as gun doesn't do anything to superheavies, the lascutter as melee weapon doesIt didn't use to be a problem because a. veteran breachers weren't a thing so you only got 2 lascuttersb. you couldn't charge out of a rhino and a LR doubled the cost of the unitc. you could only disembark if the rhino moved 6" so you didn't have a 2' threat radius (rhino moves 12", breachers move 7", then charge)>>98168998I think that's too liberalLike look at the NL apex detachment, do you really want to let all of the termies DS in one go?Same goes for BA and EC, whole 4-unit detachment where everyone can DS
>>98169329assuming for the sake of argument laspred vs laspred and lasHSS vs lasHSSlascannon (any) is 1/1.8~ to kill lasHSS legionary; with 4 shots that's a reasonable chance (a fucky 1/6) of killing 3 in one round which will make even a full unit take a Morale check - unless as part of Return Fire, in which case it'll still punish them in a way they can't punish tanks; even for a 5-man squad survival is possible, but unlikely in a way that leaves them a meaningful threatin cover with 6++ that drops to ~1/2 and a shitty 1/3 (1/2.7 but don't tell anybody) with a 5++ which is still extremely likely either waylascannon (any) is ~1/5 to take 1 or 2 HP from Predator (Front) or 1/3 (Side) or 2/3 (Rear) (it can't Glance and so cannot reduce the shooting effectiveness of the Predator except by destroying it; realistically it is almost never going to get ass-lascannoned)the 130 point lasPredator can take an HK and a havoc for another 10 points and ultra-fuck another lasHSS lad with the HK, then force a Cool Check at Cl6 in this weirdly asymmetric and artificial fight; and it's still 35 points cheaper than just the 5-man with only lascannons, and it can be sitting right next to another 140 point lasPred which, even if the 10-man annihilates it, can't be affected by any leftover hits because vehicle squadrons are imaginaryand that's why Vehicles cannot score and HSS have Support Unit (1)
>>98168562>XVII legion>painfully cringe memeChecks out
>militia infantry squad vs. anti-infantry castra ferrumbro that does the astartes animations knows what's going down frpoor, poor baseliners
If I replace the staff head and backpack (and arguably head) would it work for the Word Bearers?
>>98169715keep the backpack and helmet, the only thing spoiling the staff is the fist embelishment
>>98169715Hard to believe that this box was made by modern GW
>>98169715Well no, since he's in MkVII armour - see the three cables on his midsection?
>>98169728artificer plate ;^3
So let me get this straight. chaos primaris are somehow okey, but regular primaris, even those who are told to wear armour from heresy times are not? What kind of interpretation and implementation of social rules is this. What is next using 1ksons and DG from w40k in HH ?
>>98169774I'm sorry but how in the actual fuck would primaris be able to wear normal marine armour? Last time I checked ceramite doesn't stretch to 150% of its size.
>>98169774Using cleaned up death guard fits better in 30k than numk3. Hell, that's what gave birth to tortuga bay, selling recasted clean death guard as upscaled mk3
>>98169807Dark Angels were always taller and larger then other marines, being the first and superior to other legions.
>>98169728
>>98169850Source?
>>98169886they are the best. This means they clearly have to be taller. Plus any blond person is always a head taller, then a non blond person.
>>98169888You got a source for that?
>>98169928they have 1 in their legion number. that makes them the first and the best. And as the ancient proverb says"Second is another name for losers".
>>98169728Artificer mk6 m8
>>98169715the backpack and head is fine, you could pretty much field it for WB with a fresh paintjob
>>98170038uhm akctualy the AL stole mk7 blueprints so they have it early
>>98169813yeah I love tortugabay
>>98169774chaos primaris isn't a thing and primaris doesn't exist in 30k, go back to 40k general
>>98170069Cawl was litteraly unfreezing and fieldtesting primaris as far as the scouring, testing their gear, ships too.
I like the mk3 redesign except for the helmets. They're not bad helmets but they just don't fit the up-armored shtick that mk3 is supposed to have.
>>98170076[citation needed]
>>98170076No.
>>98170084>>98170108 Lords of the Storm (Novella) chapter 2. Talks about how the Fulminators Chapter. An Ultramarine successor chapter was created and tested during the Scourging. The Fulminators are named after the electrical storms that rage on Mars and their first generations of Aspirants came from the best recruits heading into the Terran Guard, they were rised on Mars. And they were just one of chapters like that. Another such chapter was the Void Tridents, another Ultramarine succesor. Their officers and battlebrothers would be periodicaly woken up to take part in space ship fights and void actions, boarding etc.
>>98169774Chaos primaris are 100% canon from 40k codexes even if they don't have models and rules.The HH with primaris shit is not canon, and cannot be. There's 10,000 years between both.>even those who are told to wear armour from heresy times are not? Never happened. That's just retards like you with no reading comprehension and parroting fake memelore
>>98170132I don't give a fuck desu, BL slop isn't canon.
>>98169172It can take two tank detachments. It's like officer of the line but for tanks, as a high command. And can be used as the target for a nuncio vox, despite being a tank.
>>98170135>even if they don't have models and rulesThe new Emperor's Children feature the primaris backpack disc and are significantly larger than regular CSM.Ultimately this does no matter in any way, as soon as primaris were announced it was an inevitability that CSM kits would take design cues and upgrade the scale, regardless of lore.
>>98169774>even those who are told to wear armour from heresy times are notLmfao, polish anons are still referencing that made up translation. That shit is like the US crack epidemic in the 80s.
>>98170246It's hilarious they still cling to that, despite the fact anons posted the actual passages from the official publications in English that make zero mention of it.
>>98170202The scale has always been a mess, even FW was never consistent. Kakophoni models are much bigger than the resin and plastic mk4.
>>98170517>insert obvious Tortuga joke here
>>98170530what's the joke?
>>98170535Can't say the joke. One of the jannies that keeps an eye on /hhg/ gets personally offended when you make jokes about tortuga.
>>98170550Just say it, it's not like you will get banned for that
>>98170561That is exactly what happens.
>>98170571wtf man
Does anyone by any chance have a size comparison between the old terminator resin power axes and the plastic ones from the melee upgrades?
>According to Byzantine apocalyptic tradition (as per Pseudo-Methodius), when the empire reached its absolute darkest hour and was on the brink of total destruction by its enemies (historically framed as the "sons of Ishmael" or the Turks), a miraculous event would occur: A legendary, divinely chosen Roman Emperor (often described as sleeping, dead, or in hiding) would be awakened or sent by God. This emperor would rise up, utterly crush the enemies of Christianity, and liberate Jerusalem. He would establish a golden age of peace (Pax Christiana) and rule over all of mankind for a thousand years from his seat of power in Constantinople. Under his reign, all nations would convert to Christianity, fulfilling the idea of a universal Roman empire, before the coming of the Antichrist and the end times.
>>98169715goat head on the backpack might be a bit much for other legions, but should be fine for word bearers. other than the fist on the staff icon, he makes a fine word bearer as is. I'd personally replace the shoulder pads to make him look more 30k
>>98170791>Plz join my gang>why?>becuz we're so gonna win even if you think we're so gonna lose, cuz at the worst moment possible we'll get saved and then everything will be perfectI think every abrahamic religion has this shit, and since 40k is inspired by christian imagery it's not too surprising you could draw parallels
>>98170877Well there's also the parallel of big E literally being Anatolian. I wouldn't be surprised if that legend was the actual inspiration.
>>98170896Guaranteed is. Early GW writers stole tons of stuff- I mean were inspired a lot by tons of historical events, myths, and religions.
>>98170938>were inspired a lot by tons of historical events, myths, and religionsAnd also frank Herbert.
>>98169329>OK, so what's the point of taking a tri-las predatorThe fact that its a tank (and 130pts)? The equivalent 5 man HSS is both more expensive and shits itself at stray bolter fire. The point of a tank is that it is a tank, that that predator takes significant resources to kill. HSS have always been (and frankly, much like rapiers, should always be) more cost effective from a raw damage perspective, in terms of "guns/ppm" they should be nearly unbeatable. With the drawback that those weapons are attached to marine durability bodies, as opposed to a vehicle that can take damage and keep going (and doesent degrade in effectiveness, a predator on 1HP fires at full power, a lascannon squad missing 3 members fires with 2/5 shots. >The lascutter as gun doesn't do anything to superheavies,It does some damage. Less damage than in melee (around half? probably less) but that doesent matter, it also always had the alternative melee mode. >It didn't use to be a problem becauseAnd it still isnt. You are mistaking "it is a viable way to deal with a difficult to kill unit" with "it is problematic/overpowered". Lascutters are good at a job, they always were, that job is now premium. Cool. A lascannon breacher vet squad is still expensive and them getting to the target still takes time and can be played against. And superheavies ALWAYS died to melee, the average superheavy has a rear armor of 12. Whole squads used to have melta-bombs (which used to be more lethal). >rhino threat distance is higherYes, it absolutely is. But that just means the rhino isnt worthless for anyone looking to do somethong other than shuttle tacticals/tss. The rhino is currently in a very good spot, its very flexible and multiple units want to use it. It offers a viable benefit to non-bulky melee units who now no longer need to shell out the pts for a land raider and encourages power armor melee.
>>98171007The dreaded rhino rush is very powerful, but its not broken or in need of nerfs. Disordered charges are actually a fairly decent drawback in that they offer the enemy a lot of counterplay. A simple move reposition makes it AT BEST a 5" charge with no setup, the lack of volley fire/ability to negate OW means units can just get obliterated before they get there and theres various legions against which it should simply mathematically never work if your opponent doesent want it to (WS/NL). You can also simply "kill the rhino", its entirely doable, even if rhinos are no longer things that get smoked by functional small arms like nemesis bolters and volkites. Vehicles (especially in the context of the vet breacher kill team) are uniquely vulnerable to rhino rushes, but frankly "just screen them". If you have a big superheavy or a kratos and you dont want it getting molested by lascutters? Put some guys in the way, do the thing all irl militaries do with their tanks in urban warfare settings. Vet breachers are an effective specialist answer to a specific (but fairly frequent) problem, dont take big dumb AV14 tanks and their value significantly drops - they become simply "objectively worse TSS".
>>98170530Those look like ass NGL.
>>98169774>but regular primaris, even those who are told to wear armour from heresy times are not?Correcf. Primaris dont have time machines, they werent around back then. Primaris have however fallen to chaos. So chaos primaris are fine (in 40k). >tsons and dg from 40kGenerally poor form. Rubric conversions are fine, but a lot of the kits are inappropriate for how the legions would have looked even at arguably the siege of terra (by which point a lot of the chaos forces have already gone full chaos, being led by demon princes and fielding demon engines).
>>98170791yeah I mean this is just king under the mountain stuff, A571 / D1960.2if you want to read more, start with the oldest texts that have this general motif, like the Bhagavad Gita (Vishnu) or the Osiris mythgenerally the later traditions seem to be independently developed and probably for political reasons; as rallies against invasion (real or imagined), or to explain that the king was really just stepping out and would definitely be back in time for the final battle; this is particularly common with those based around fully historical figures like JFK and Napoleonno doubt there are other such myths that have gone out of remembrance (bear in mind, for example, that until the 1870s nobody had heard of Gilgamesh in almost 2000 years, if not longer; and even then, we were calling him 'Izdubar' for like 20 years by mistake; but for likely even longer than that period of being forgotten, Gilgamesh was as famous as Jesus or Ra) which may or may not have informed those that came afterpeople are fucked in the head
>>98171056some conversions are fine but it's really a case of who the fuck has time in 202X
>>98170877>>98171069Do not reply to schizos.
>>98171076Ah, the butter duty marine.
>>98171076Yea. Theres some usable material there, but you cant just plot down a lord of pestilence or whatever and say "heres my DG praetor" without being a faggot.
How do you make power armor melee work? I want a cool bodyguard unit for my champion, should I just go all the way for thunder hammer+shield command squad? Or is there a more interesting way to do it?
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/s7gr9dmd/sunday-preview-dawn-of-the-new-edition/>a huge Monday reveal for Warhammer: The Horus Heresy fans. What could it be?What do we think the Monday reveal will be?
>>98171278moving back to 40k ruleset lolololol
>>98171278Another tank and a literally who named character
>>98171278mk4 and mk5 tacticals please.
>>98171278New journal, new ligma book and more tanks.
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>>98171286I'd rather 40k uses the 30k ruleset.
>>98171278Another "huge" tank nobody asked for
>>98171404I'm asking for plastic caestus.
>>98171411And I'm asking for the old mkiii.
>>98171278Unless its a plastic Xiphon/THawk/Warhound or something equally as big, I dont give a fuck. What I WANT to know is when can I order my nigga Commissar Cain. WHERES CAIN, JAMES YOU PIECE OF SHIT.
>>98171278Finally mk7 marines
>>98171278mk.iv
>>98171487Need to mod this pic with Pepe playing with some joytoy frens.
>>98170791And the Emperor is sleeping under a secret mountain with 10k of his greatest knights/warriors. It is a well known slavic folklor. All Slavs know it, bar maybe Russians, but Poles, Czech, Slovacks, Croatians, Serbs etc do. Only difference in the legends is the mountain range they sleep under.
>>98171545We had that legend since we lived in the steps. About the great Tzar who sleeps with his warriors, watched by a golden haired angle like son of his, who will one day wake the throng up by blowing the horn and cracking the mountains. Which we did in Vth century BC acording to Herodotus.
>>98171278Cumboat Diaz model.If its a plastic fire raptor/storm eagle I will buy and eat a hat and post proof.
>>98171278HH 4.0 :^)
>>98171278A "new" tank (it's just a Land Raider with an upgrade sprue).
>>98169723why? Its overly detailed monopose miniatures, is it not?
>>98171439Would unironically be kino.A stupid thing to reveal, but kino.
>>98161089what are we thinking about using stormcast hammers and shields as proxies for terminator thunder hammers and storm shields?
>>98168774halfway de-chaosified abaddon as termie praetor with a paragon blade, went to work and slayed the fuck out of a dark angels squad and their praetor
>>98171713Only a proxy because you didn't have a proper size praetor model, I hope.
>>98171713Im sorry but hes still holding a demon-blade, how is he "de chaosified"
>>98171703I was told it is not kosher in last thread.
>>98171728i might put him on a smaller base later>>98171730that's why i said halfway, i'm not done with him
>>98167008>Way too little terrain>Unpainted models>Un-changed 40k models>Primed flying stand on the vultarax>Most boring pose possible leviathan dread>Shit drinks>Crinkled game matWhat a depressing image, holy fuck.
>>98171759You're never gonna be able to fit that oversized fuck on a proper base.
>>98171745got a link to the post?
>>98171703I think it would look weird and bad, especially the hammers. The shields could MAYBE work as combat shields for a unit like sanguinary guard. But the hammers look too plain and not like what thunder hammers look like. Theyre also actually kinda massively oversized in terms of the head size.
>>98171772>>98165028my post and the esteemed anons anwsers to it.
>>98171762That's what happens when you switch a game from resin to plastic.
>>98171869Plastic HH models were a mistake.
>>98168765Bro killed a fly with a nuke
>HUGE REVEALI'm not falling for that again
>>98171762take it easy, dude
>>98171781i see, got some reccs that would work better?
>>98172260For hammmers? Theres a million prints for it. The new catas also come with some, as does the melee weapons upgrade box, so see if you can find some specific bits for an acceptable price if you arent for printing. Could also try chinaman for the old thunder hammers. Just fyi, some prints are also pretty enormous. The thunder hammers I got are kinda wildly oversized too, proper "mauls" >>98171990Old MKIII is so sexy.
>>98172039>HUGE REVEAL>Due to lack of sales, Warhammer: The Horus Heresy will be discontinued
>>98172317>And replaced by THE SCOURING
Was Alan Bligh assassinated by a rival in GW so they could destroy everything he built?
I always thought the old mk3 looked bad. Heads too big and the knee pads make no sense.
>>98172424Old MkIII is shit.
>>98172419why wouldn't they just fire him
>>98172424I think it looks great in picrel, but I always prefered the oldschool GW mk3.I hate the trim on the numk3 but otherwise it's a great uplift.
>>98171278Daemon mortarion
What exactly are autocannon hss supposed to shoot? Getting return fired by even combi bolters termies feels like a losing exchange.
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>>98172820That combi bolter goes kinda hardThe model looks bad. I appreciate the effort that went into it, either as a shitpost or genuine model, but the end result just doesent work very well.
>>98172308right, i got a bunch of hammers and a couple of shields printed so it's covered, but would prefer to get some official bits if i could
>>98172852Shields come with the assault marine box, so if you built those you might just have a million spare.
>>98172820>Both feet sticking out over the edge of the baseIt depends on your definition of fit I suppose.
>>98172806well one shoot the termies from more than 24" away and two a full squad can completely fuck a Predator just on Statuses; rollan that 6 for a 13 Glance is 1/9, rollan the same Status is at 1/27 for the second shot and 2/27 for the third once there's two Statuses on there (and once there's 3 it's 1/9 just to hurt it some more)like if you think combi-bolters vs MEQ is rough then understand it's the exact same probability to Glance AV13 with an autocannon, so if you think you're being punished for shooting termies just imagine your opponent losing his Rhino-chassis tank to Glances in one round from 5 guys shooting it they still cost more than most Predators tho
>>98172806They have 24" range on those combi bolters, so try not getting return-fired.
>>98172820Longinus survived, I see.
>>98171278SCREENCAP THIS POSTBECAUSE YOU CAN'T STOP WHAT'S COMINGALSO DUBS
>>98172866Brother if you think that's bad you're an egregious newfag
>>98172893What I'm hearing is that the autocannon hss has an okay chance of inflicting a relevant status on a predator that costs less than the autocannons and also will effectively kill the autocannons.That seems like an argument for predators, not the autocannon squad.
>>98172806Vets, automata, walkers, terminators. You can shoot tanks but you shouldnt, fishing for 6s on an expensive 3 shot unit isnt worth it.
>>98173201A 10 man squad kills 7 of whatever VEQ have you per volley, similar number of thallax. 13 wounds to mechanicum automata/3+ 5++ (like prime thallax). Theyll also brutalize demon brutes and ogryn. Theyre also mathematically better into terminators than lascannons iirc. Autocannons are good, but theyre not 2e lascannon or volkite HSS good, theyre just good. Unless youre Tsons, in which case (with rending 5+) theyre a war crime that removes a unit per phase basically regardless of what that unit is and its a genuine war crime to bring more than like 5.
>>98173209Also: vs terminators (tartaros anyways) its still like 9 wounds dealt on average per volley. So yea, pretty solid into those too.Theyre even better if theyre IF (25% more damage, 50% more damage if snapshooting). And the damage dropoff when moving isnt as big as for some other heavy weapons (only 33%, whereas lascannons and missile launchers have theirs cut in half). Take autocannons, theyre good for you (matchup and context dependent - unless youre IF, then never leave home without at least 10 because why wouldnt you?)
>>98173119against Front they have a reasonable chance of rendering it useless with 3 Statuses in 1 round of shooting (or 1 status and multiple HP from repeat Status rolls)against Side they have the exact same chance of doing that, plus the exact same chance of wanging 2HP off for each shot; it is a 5HP vehicle, they have a minimum of 10 (15) shotsneither has an outright advantage at parity on points
>>98173044Please no
>>98173240>against Front they have a reasonable chance of rendering it useless with"useless"Snapshotting, immobilised, and unable to react. yes, thats quite a lot, but that predator is also going to be half the cost of the HSS on a good day, 1/3 on a bad day. And thats if you get lucky and dont roll multiple of the same status. The flipside of course is that the predator has several weapons very good at killing the HSS, even if snapshotting (such as the executioner plasma and C beamer), and that on the reaction you cant hurt it. (and if they have a decurion locus they will also hapilly kill you in return fire). And also, finally: Even if after 2/3 rounds of shooting you glance the predator to death (because with an average of 3.3 glances per volley on a 10 man squad thats about as many as its going to take you), thats a terrible return on investment compared to everything else you could be doing, because once again that predator maxes out at like 170pts if it has all the bells and whistles and is probably closer to 130pts. Compare that to what the HSS will do into basically any other (non vehicle) target >>98173209 >>98173235 and you see just how awful an idea that is.
I actually like the nu-cataphractii and don’t see what all the fuss is about
>>98173044i am free from GW nu hell
>>98173417>notices print linesuwu?
>shameless took the jump into HH to have a Traitor army pull a double shift in 30k and 40k too>all the 30k units I end up liking don’t have neat proxies in 40kI guess I’ll just buy two new armies anyways lmao.
>>98173368They need some more meat on their bones. I like them too, but they definitely feel like prototype Terminator armor instead of Terminator armor as it is known.
>>98173235A 10 man kills a bit over 4 on average and then loses the same amount from a 10 man tartaros. Power weapon + combi bolters cost the same per guy. You have less durability and no melee and the 'good' target trades evenly in shooting? Again, this is an argument for tartaros, not the heavy weapons squad.
>>98171278Plastic Big E
>>98173624Autocannons have a 48" range, tartaros bolters have a 24" range, one of these units should be firing at the other a lot more than the other way round. >this is the good targetIts an okay target, an even trade if you trade (which you shouldnt). But not their best target. Which - as explained - are vets and other 3+ save multi wound things (like battle automata). The reality is also that you arent running "power weapon tartaros", youre running them with hammers or fists (or even more likely a legion variant or command squad variant), which drives up the price quite a bit. Because while naked bolter terminators may do fine into power armor, theyre very vulnerable to a whole host of melee threats, and a 10 man squad of terminators isnt exactly a fast and elusive target. Basic terminators are also pretty solid and imo heavily slept on, everyone is so hung up on their command squad deathstars that theyre missing the value of more cost effective bullies
>>98173661Tartaros are arguably more mobile than autocannons since they don't lose their damage output for moving.
>>98172866>Both feet sticking out over the edge of the baseas they shouldRETVRN TO TRADITION
>>98172424>>98172442Ok newfags enjoy ur nu-slop
>>98172593The shins are so ugly on nu-mkIII
>>98174074Whatever, dude. Enjoy your uncslop.
>>98174239you pay 30 dollars for 1 marine model
>>98174244This statement is retarded any way you try to read it, because either you're a brain damaged and were buying characters straight from Forge world 60 bucks when half the resin is in the base, or you're buying recast characters for 10 bucks, or you're converting them from left over bodies and bits for basically free. All of these apply whether we're talking 2016 or 2026. Who exactly is this supposed to dunk on?
