▶Previous edition: >>98099765▶What is /gwsg/?A thread to talk about Games Workshop's specialist and spin-off games which fall between the cracks.Battlefleet Gothic, Blood Bowl, Epic, K*ll Team, Man-o-War, Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game, Mordheim,Necromunda, Shadow War: Armageddon, Titanicus, Underworlds, Warcry, Warhammer Quest, Warmaster......and any other GW system and board game are welcome.▶Helpful resources (feel free to suggest additions!):https://pastebin.com/qq9N8V0V▶TQ: Favourite Blood Bowl Summer Games Team?
>>98165095>>98120506 And found this fanart.
>>98165115Didnt knew that the first Edition had little paper tokens for starplayers.
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>>98165152Kinda cool. One box, many teams! I guess the first edition was more like a manager game were you recruited not based on factions or races?
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>>98162436nobody fucking takes defensive. it only shows up on Amazon big girls and dorf/owa long beards. It's a 40k double for players with guard access and elves aren't going to take it because they don't want to sit there and get hit and they have better shit to take. the only players who might take it are like Big 'uns on the Orc team because they already start with mighty blow but idk, dodge is only like 10k more and is better and stand firm and break tackle are both cheaperthe rogre does help with the one turns and they are trying to force it on you by getting rid of 2 gutters
Anyone recognize this collection and know who the creator is?
current new edition blackbox win rates. MASSIVE caveat that TV based matchmaking isn't league and teams like humans over preform because they are really TV efficient and this doesn't take into account things like coach ability. like half of all dwarf games were from one retard who sucks. It's crazy that "new player" teams like Orcs, Humans and Undead are so high. you would think they would be even better without all the new players playing as them
>Amazons have a thrower>literally no one carries on the thrower, she's only used for 1-3 turns and as a leader caddy>Berts have a thrower>I assume people carry on the blitzer or a catcher because 7ma and dodge access>pact has a thrower>everyone carries on the dark elf and uses the thrower as a leader caddy>Dark elves have a runner>runner is used as a leader caddy>Dorfs use their runners>Do people carry on the pro elf throwers? why wouldn't you carry on a catcher?>high elves semi have to carry on the thrower because my ball, lol >humans have a thrower>most people carry on the catchers now and use the thrower like a skaven thrower for 1 and 2 turns>Imps, I got no clue, they have a thrower>norse carry on the valks>OWA has a thrower, but carries on the catcher>Orcs used to carry on the blizers but now have to carry on the thrower due to lack of blitzers>Rats have a thrower but carry on the gutter runners>khemri use their thrower>I think underworld carry on the gutter and not the thrower>vamps have throwers but carry on the runners>wood elves have a thrower but carry on the war dancers So block, dodge and high movement always beat sure hands, pass and good PA stats
>>98168549Google says>M3Studios - Aeternum FabricaKickstarter from 2021
What do we think about the Aeronautica animation while there is no game?
>>98170871>weask the gerbil in your ass
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>>98170897He says that they make these cartoons to sell the big kits.
Looking for good 6mm epic stls.Something like pic related in detail.No idea who the creator is of this model.I think the best 6mm stuff tends to get the hammer by gw so good stls intended to be 6mm are rare on public places.
>>98170871Another slop animations from GW. Shits are both retarded and predictable it's boring, fuck even the character designs are exactly how you'd expected.
Space Hulk
Blood BowlUnderworld DenizensNot sure what to give my newly level 2 gutter runnerThinking about>big hand, to steal balls when the opposing team fails to pick up... but he already does it on a 3+>two heads, to be pseudo-stunty... but there are few situations where 9MA needs dodge into tackle zones>sidestep, because I use him to pressure the ball carrier and this can help get a stab without blitzing... but he's just as likely to be knocked down and die>wrestle, to be boring>block, to be even more boringShadowing and diving tackle would make him a targetSaboteur would be great if he wasn't an expensive positionalFoul Appearance sort of is what I want but also not because he's not a front liner and it feels like a waste if he isn't regularly being punched
>>98170871It'd be nice to even have some sort of WD article with some fun gimmick missions...
>>98173735>>two heads, to be pseudo-stunty... but there are few situations where 9MA needs dodge into tackle zonesI don't play as underworld, but two heads is the second most common underworld gutter runner skill on fumbbl after block. Two heads was the most common skill on a UD gutter in super league and that NAF tournament on fumbbl right now and it was twice as common as block or sidestep>but there are few situations where 9MA needs dodge into tackle zones>>sidestep,Do you not one turn? do you play as UD and you don't do one turns? Two heads and to a lesser extent side step both make one turn touch downs more consistent. I thought the whole reason people play underworld is because they have a really good one turn because you can use the snots to fill the squares for the normal gutter runner one turn and they have to set up weird because they need to respect the throw teammate one turn
Can some one help me out with a copy of the necromunda rulebook? Plz & Thnx
>>98174983https://www.necroraw.com.ru/
>>98173655The animation is fine, but i agree that it is a basic effort production. >>98173834You mean a revitalisation? But Epic or Aeronautica?
>>98173666Based! Funny they never cared to give us more options like Space Marines, Imperials, Chaos or Eldar.It would be a good thing to fill pages in the White Dwarf and give people the imcentive to buy minis from other WH40k factions.
>>98175567Kinda like Space Crusade did.
>>98175567Ever since GW went full corporate during 8th with money money money and created the side games division with only intern/employee (aka complete noobs) as game designers all creativity are pretty much dead. No more one off box game. Actually there were box games for extreme limited release in EU and US, but it wasn't a new game, it's based on Gorechosen, a game made before the rapture, by a freelancer.
I've purchased a Vampire team.Can you guys please recommend a nice color scheme for the team?I'm a pretty bad painter too.
>>98173472That's by Varus Miniatures, he has a patreon. He released them in 15mm and 6mm but no idea if you can still buy them. Here's the STL from your picture, but otherwise learn to telegram or try and paypig from the source.go/d/2Xw596
>>98175567Between White Dwarf and Citadel Journal, Space Hulk had many of those things. Daily reminder that old good, new bad, and who cares what modern GW does?
>>98174376>one turnI've now looked at the fumbbl guides for it and the world feels a lot less fun now, sort of like when you and your friends first discover Blodge and no-one picks even the useful alternative skillsI like underworld because I get the best parts of skaven and goblins, and mutation accessI can't imagine what you do on a one turn touchdown team build after the first turn of the game, or against Strength 4, or against a lineup with Guard, or when losing the coinflip, or a Shadowing dwarf, or...
>>98177098you don't start the game with a one turn touch down. skaven are one of the only races that regularly choose to receive if they win the toss. the only thing you do, that's kind of gay, is you don't use any rerolls on defense and some skaven/elf/underworld coaches will just completely run away and not try to play defense at all. either way you just play your defense as normal, then when the half ends you score a 1 turn touch down and go into the 2nd half 1-1, meaning all of the other guy's work was worthless and then you try to score on turn 8 of the second half to win 2-1. Same thing if you start on offense, you score turn 8. they do their drive and then you score on turn 8 of the second half and win 2-1.>after the first turn of the game, or against Strength 4, or against a lineup with Guard, or when losing the coinflip, or a Shadowing dwarf, or.you can still do it vs STR 4 and guard, you might need to uphill. Skaven usually take a juggernaut rat ogre and you sometimes see grab on a tree or troll to help with the OWA, wood elf and underworld one turns (underworld can take a juggernaught roger instead of a troll too.) usually people don't have more than 1 shadowing guy so you just pow him. Worst case you play like necro or pro elves and have to deal with multiple stand firm/side step. that's why skaven take juggernaut and stand firm more often than other races. If you have a troll you probably just throw teammate. If you don't think you can one turn as elves, rats or underworld you use your defensive rerolls to dive into the cage and try to turn the guy over. if you look at >>98169267 most of the top races are top races outside of like amazons and undead because they have good one turns. You can do a 1 turn with amazons, but they usually stop a defense or turn them overUW has 2 one turn threats, humans have 2 one turn threats, orcs have the goblin throw one turn, high elves have a 1 turn, snots have ttm, rats have a good 1 turn. owa has 2 1 turners
>>98177098>>98177674I do think one turners are gay, by the way, but it is how a lot of top tier teams turn 1-1 ties into 2-1 wins and 1-0 losses into 1-1 ties
>>98176660Sorry, i was thinking about the modern GW. For the first edition they at least did a Deathwing box.
>>98175595Kinda sad. But when it doesnt make that enough money, understandable.Do you mean Space Marine Adventures?
While searching for a pic of >>98177989 i fo7nd a Blitz Bowl boardgame.
>>98177989>maximusThe most ultramarine name ever conceived
Are there any scans of this? I want to study it for board game design.
>>98178694to learn how not to make a game?
>>98178771If it's bad then yeah I wanna know why and what I should do to make my own better.
>yuropoor bowl>porland>literally fucking poverty bowl where no one can afford their toyswhat did they mean by this? I can check some other ones but like humans and orcs are just slightly too poor to afford good shit. Like if necro wants to do the 1 wolf 13 mens build they either have to only have block on the wolf or they need a naked ghoul I just made an OWA team and in order to fit the budget I had>2 rerolls>apo>assistant coach>tree>guard slayer>guard dorf blitzer>2 dorf long beards>Mb human thrower>side step catcher>leader thrower >3 human linos>and 1 fling for a 12th player
>>98178787i played it once, there are missions that are literally impossible if you play rules as written. too many mechanics that are about adding things in later or only /unlocking/ heroes for later play throughs. Odd choices, feels like video game design in the worst way. dicce to move is the worst system in the fuckin world Lessons to keep, really nice minis, bound book that lays flat for maps. first time ive seen it not ringed and still staying flat. impressive book. I love maps in a book, makes life so much easier for adventure board games
AG3+ player>I can't dodge at all for any reasonElf/Rat enjoyer>Is that a 4+? yabba dabba dooit's funny how much of a difference break tackle makes for orc players when it's 1 +1 on 1 dodge
>>98177989Oh yeah that certainly jog my memory. These basement adventure games are an amalgamation of spacehulk and blackstone fortress, there're also other board game like Bladeborn, Stormvault, Lost relic, Dark tide (surprisingly this one is not region limited, but nevertheless an extremely slop product with recut of existing kits that look nothing like the characters from the game) And yeah those are also diet or just reskin version of other existing games.> Space Marine Adventures?I was talking about Combat Arena, unlike other games, the Combat Arena games have unusual high value for the price, mainly the first one with the Blackstone fortress escalation characters, and lair of the beast with the Ambull and all Blackstone fortress characters. And before you guess it, yes scalpers gobble these up and resell at "GW price". And yes this is the "ackshually warhammer is cheaper than the competition you see" type of reply you'll get from retards and it really annoys the shit out of me.>Blitz BowlThis is a warhammer underworld + blood bowls. Instead of playing ball, you can score points by beating the shit out of the opponents, or doing objectives which give you card to perform vodoo magics. players die fast but also respawn, at the cost of your actions.
>>98179178Thanks for the reply this is why I want to read the rules. I agree dice movement sucks.
>>98173735>>two heads, to be pseudo-stunty... but there are few situations where 9MA needs dodge into tackle zonesDo you not cage dive? Do you play underworld and not cage dive? I play orcs and I dodge into tackle zones if it means I can put the ball on the ground.
>>98180409You can buy the game components online, for the rulebooks there're one up on scribd.The problem with the game is the exact problem with other board game made by GW: it got boring, real quick. And Dark Water specifically is not a co-op game, because some characters and team compositions are just complete ass, the game has losing condition and time limit so it's more of a puzzle that best be played solo. The progression is also terrible, You gain random universal "reward card" as a form of progression, there're 0 excitement or any form of brainstorming for a character build in this game. In dark water, you get even less characters (both heroes and villains) than cursed city, for a higher price. Not to mention some of the heroes look like ass compared to the one they made in Cursed City.There're 1 set item (consist of 3 reward cards) for each hero, and 1 universal set (which is really just a set item for some priest that didn't make it into the game). You can still use these items with any heroes, you just don't get the bonus for having the full set on wrong heroes. This just add to the point of this being a solo game, and some heroes are just too ass to even get items, so instead you just give it to another hero.Also you move D6 (or 6 if you spent extra energy) in this game, unless you're the dwarf (always 3) or the centaur(D3+3), the dwarf also ignored trap when he spent the extra energy (and 1 enemy with his trait), while the centaur can push any heroes 1 hex. And in this game there're "time limit" scenario where you had to kill the boss within 3 turns while he hid behind legion of goons and traps. Now you get the idea : puzzle and solo game.And last, there're "alternative character card" for the 4 starting heroes (dwarf, knight, knight lady, water bottle bitch) : these are....eh? Well certainly these won't resuscitate me from my coma after playing this game.
>>98179932>Combat ArenaLooks like they took the videogame bossbattle idea and put it in a small game. I can see why scalpers buy it for the minis. And since the boardgame is more like a travel game, i can see that GW planned it that way.
Do people use magnets to keep their metal BFG ships attached to a flying stand? The pegs i recall always used to break. Im looking to rebuild my bfg fleets.
>>98178894>BANNED>Bomber DribblesnotImagine seething at a goblin.
>>98185471I think all of the bombers were considered OP
I’m almost ready to risk it all throwing my ball carrying gobbo over the pile-up, only to have him eaten and causing turn over.Most likely I’ll just slap pro on the troll and have him vomit every turn.
>>98188369I like that black orcs exist because it let them completely shit up the lizards and just be like>well if you don't like it play black orcsexcept black orcs actually have weaknesses unlike old lizardmen. the only real counter lizardmen had were clawpomb killstacks and stripball cagedivers. black orcs are still weak to cagedives, but they are way slower than those ridiculously fast lizards.
>>98188438>those fucking lizard people!Okay tinfoil, I think your hat is on too tight.
>>98189042Lizardmen are real and their shills used to be such fags>nah they aren't that goodone of the top win rates>they have worse AG than black orcsas though that fucking mattered and that anyone ever dodged with black orcs, they still had MA6 so they could go where ever and if you based them they were going to beat the shit out of you with free 2 die blocks>muh blitz a skinkyou beat lizards and vamps by getting rid of the big lizards and vamps. the other "good" thing is the numeta is just very elf based so a lot of the traditional hard core bashteams struggle with elves so a lot of those shitty weak bash teams like OWA and humans are doing well because they can fight elves and aren't running into as many true bash teams other than orcs and nurgle and nuOrcs are less traditional hardcore bash than old orcs
>>98189111Back to /pol/
>there are posters ITT that don't know how to one turn I also don't know how to one turn but I have done it before with Roxanne Darknail
>>98184116I just re-glued them. And moved the battleship very carefully. Because that snapping only happens with battlesgips.
Anyone have the pdf of the bastion of law book
>munda group imploding because of two (2) new players with MTG backgrounds It was fun while it lasted.
>>98192932What happened? Why is MTG so important that is broke the group?
Sad news everyone! French friend from university days just got cut from cyanide. They are fitting almost everyone who is not working on their fucking sorts games that support the hardware sales for their controller business. Buddy was working on a stealth action game but shared stuff about the BB project. Nacon didn't pay the contractor who was supposed to shop the rules update, and now they only have one dude half-time just making sure the servers work at all. Game is getting axed next march when the licence obligation from the company towards gw runs out. Nacon keeps the narrative that the update is coming because that means sales and microtransactions from the people who are still around. Time to find a league around me or figure out how fumbbl works.
>>98193797I personally like fumbbl better because it's easier and clearer to read and I own BB1, 2 and 3. The only thing that kind of sucks is that you can't reuse team names and it's annoying to tag players with a bunch of skills because you can only tag like 7 letters. If you like muh high tv stuff they basically killed that outside of leagues with the seasons stuff and bbt. the other upside is black box is a lot nicer than cyanide match making because the meta event pushes most players into playing more elfy teams as opposed to killstacks like people used to play
>>98193072>>98192932MtG players have relatively broken minds, and they likely have very negative social demands.
>>98194370just the ones who have played in the last decade.Before it was a queer/dei shitfest, it was a good game.
>>98192689https://litter.catbox.moe/sdgy3f2296yrd47r.pdf
Hi, I haven't been here for a few years and noticed that the LOTR SBG has been combined with GW's other smaller gaming systems. Is there a link depository / MEGA of all the previous and current SBG / Middle-earth books? I remember there was one years ago. Thanks!
>>98194707check out the share thread >>98193120you will need to go back through the archive but you will get what you need eventually
I was playing with the yurobowl rostermaker sight because I saw someone suggest that a bunch of tournaments are going to use yurobowl rules and I swear to god the assholes who made the rules made it so you are always like 10k short or 1 skill short or some other version of just being a tiny bit off of being able to make a fucking roster
>>98192932The typical Necromunda to Kill team pipeline.
>>98193797>Sad news everyone! French friend from university days just got cut from cyanide.It's OK, they'll find another way to commit suicide.
What's the best thing to mount my zone mortalis tiles to to keep them flat?(Mine arrived a little warped so I plan to mount them).The last thing I want is to build all this elaborate terrain only to have annoying warping also in the base layer underneath I am looking for options other than mdf - as I have tested this already and it just warped the other way
>>98195471Gatorfoam boards or Sintra PVC boards, both similar to regular foam core but with a rigid wood or plastic veneer (gator) or a rigid pvc core (sintra), both available in quite thin sheets. Downside, they are both way more expensive than MDF or regular foam core, but very dimensionally stable. Needs power tools or ordering in the correct size pre-cut. Source, I get offcuts from work.
>>98195471sheet metal sourced from old pc case panels or whitegoods or just use thicker mdf or plywood. i'm not sure how the super thin mdf panels got memed into being a good hobby material, the warping would be unreal if you're using them for terrain basing which i assume is their primary function.
>>98194370>>98194389Looking at the MtG scene, there was always an autistic and body hygene problem. But thats a problem with any fandom.
>>98195330In general or just certain teams? If every rooster is like this than thats a good sign that you can maximize to,full extend and have to compromise.
Whats your opinion that specialist games tend to have different designs or conflicting lore/units? I mean Squats from Epic differ from League of Votann.
>>98195951Many units evolve, but many dont exist or suddenly are replaced.
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>>98195951Adeptus Titanicus had tons of example for this and it's either retarded and/or understandable. One of the most retarded rule is of the Questoris Avenger Gatling, instead of following the rule of using range of that weapon in 40k and divided by 3, Rule writer in his brilliancy gave the gatling cannon range of 20", which is the equivalent of artillery weapons, but then nerfed its power to 3, making it borderline useless. Even though it had same strength as vulcan mega bolter in 40k. There are other retarded but understandable rule like Inferno gun being extremely fucking strong, while in 40k it's completely useless against titan plate or even knights. Knights in general also don't belong in AT (except for the most basic questoris support with no rocket pod), because they had so many guns, so to fix this problem they added several restriction to knights as support units and a huge restriction on Knight army. There also a huge strength scaling problem to the game as most weapons are cramped between S4 to S8, making shit like the tiny melta gun and thermal spear having same strength as the giant thermal cannon and turbo laser destructor. And Turbo laser destructor is league above thermal cannon in power.
>>98195951>Whats your opinion that specialist games tend to have different designs or conflicting lore/units?Yes.
>>98196039Indeed that is something that really bothers me too. Sometimes the purpose of the weapons change with the scale of the minis and sometimes get a new weapon that technically already exists.>>98196075You opened my eyes. Never thought that way.
>>98195951>I mean Squats from Epic differ from League of Votann.That’s not really a specialist games thing, the Squats of Epic were much the same as the squats of 40k. The Leagues are a bit different, not primarily because it's a different game system but because a lot of time has passed since the squat days and because GW decided to re-invent them.
>>98195940>>98194389>>98194370>>98193072I imagine that it's because Magic is built around aggressively exploiting combos and min/maxing, with a wide acceptance that you'll spend a large amount of money building a version of someone else's decks. Instead of seeing games as a way for you to build cool models and fuck around with friends in the basement.
>>98196331Re-invent them is ok, some units gets re-designed or vanish because they were bad. But sometimes they have similar vehicles but different names or their weapons change their charistics.
>>98196639I stopped playing when deckbuilding ceased to be about making a fun theme first and working toward viability second.
>>98178002saw that at my local bookstore a while back in krautland, and almost bought it, but held off because at the time I wasn't sure of how different or whatever it was to the actual game
>>98197321>managed to remainLRB6 forever, end of story.
>>98196639Thats the difference to tabletop. You can see and play for story with minis. While cards are about winning, having all the cards in your hands.Thats why tournaments are so toxic, less people want to show of their cool models or army backstory. It is mostly about winning.
>>98197213At least it sounds that this is for limiting overpowered builds for everyone. It sounds based that every player has to decide which route you “max out“.
>>98193072Necromunda is easily exploitable ane broken. It requires goodwill between both players, and a certain understanding of how to handle rule uncertainties. These guys had a compulsive obsession with breaking the game and were always trying to rule in their own favor, even when it didn't make any sense
>>98192932>not just kicking the MTG fags and rolling back their meddlingYour group is weak, I hope you learn your lesson.
> A necromunda campaign is announced in my city> Guess ill check it out fuck it> Look at the lists> 2 van Saarr, one of which is plasmagun+cannon + lasgun spam> 2 ironheads, both with a claim jumper> Delaque with webgun, grav gun and ghould with claws> CGC with 2 initiate flamers, spam of boning swords and butcher with paired heavy cleavers> Goliath with a missle launcher and 3W leader (not t5)There are like 3 other normal gangs which are alright, just a lot of skill and loadout repeats. One based Esher player is taking 2 cats which i likeWhy are people like this?
>>98201453Because they are building their lists while using the internet, like how we get people even ITT all the time asking how to build a gang of X faction and they ALWAYS steer toward optimum choices, no one just opens the rulebook and uses their own fucking impression of what is and isn't cool to build a list and just take it straight to the game table to sink or swim.
>>98197308Kinda weird, but you could argue that some factions would be overpowered when you follow the lore.
>>98201453They're MTG players
>>98201453Looks pretty average, are we complaining about plasma cannon and grav gun now? holy shit. Goliath with a missile launcher and 3W and T4 leader is waac now too? They can have 3W and T6.This is why the game is fucked, on one side we had people who made extremely annoying list, on other we had people who complaint about every thing.
>>98201453So glad my group aren't cunts and actually build fun lists without power gaming
>>98193797NTA I also saw a discussion about nacon not paying davo purple chest and others their money after the bb3 worldcup
>>98202747I mean, it is not the grade A bullshit that it could have been but don't tell me that seeing a van saar list with 2 plasmas and a spam of lasgun juves, with names such as "juve1, juve2, juve3", wouldnt make you die inside a little. All generally most of the gangs there are full of clones with the same loadouts, while the campaign was advertised as somewhat noob friendly.
>>98204782You're saying you're so shit at the game that you can only score if your opponent has no involvement in the process.
>>98204356>noob friendlyWhat you described is exactly what noobs would do.Juves spam is economic but they don't have access to special weapons and cloaks like Tek Hunter, or shield like ganger. But I agreed Juves have access to lasgun is questionable retarded decision from writer.Either way I didn't see anything too annoying with those lists. Yes you are likely to be blown off the board by Van Saar, they're top tier. You don't expect noob players to run a meme van saar list with rad gun, shock stave and an Arachni rig.
>>98204782>don't have a fling so I need to do the catcher oneNobody wants to hear about your gay sex life.
>>98204866>the only way to score in your opponent's half is on a one turnNo, it isn't. Not ever. Throw some blocks and get gud.
>>98204925That's a curiously specific projection.
>>98205031>no one ever scores on youA) that's the opposite of what I am assertineg and B) if you're butthurt about anything other than an X-0 game in your favour, then you need to GTFO.
>>98205096I am not at all surprised that the notion of correct English repulses you.
>>98205112>projectionKek.
Just fuck already, you bickering queens.
>>98204542The worst thing about that podcast is the host
>>98205547>lowercase EKek. Nice try though.
So whats the story with all the streamers at the moment?>PurplechestSupposedly become a bitter fellow and unemployed from this thread>JimmyI think he didn't work either but is he still kicking?>AndydavoHas a family, im amazed he can sustain it while playing BB.
>>98205700Considering how often Purple streamed, I am not surprised if things were rough.I was never a fan of Jimmy, found him a bit of a cunt but that is horrible to hear. I thought he was situated in the UK though? >inb4 3rd worldOk but still. If he had HIV/AIDS, you'd expect that to be pucked up easy.
>>98205726Well that is shit. Honestly I assumed it was just depression and typical shut in/unemployed diet but if its real, my sympathies. Any inkling of the name?
>>98205743I can get behind tournaments and being too competitive. Happened to me too and took a rain check. Granted I am overdue a trip to Warhammer World.
>>98205829Weird state of the meta. Granted I prefer that over the stupid Griffflings, Ogreflings or Morgflem Snots. I hate Elf BS as much as the next person but I'd still rather them than the star meta picks you saw in tournaments. Shame about that, I am thinking of bringing Goblins to BB2026 considering how long its been since I played them and I've taken enough of a break I feel to be able to have fun again. Maybe. If not to WHW, then to the tabletop.Its been almost a year since I posted in /gwsg/ but its fun to see some conversation again of BB rather than the shitstorm of CRP arguments again and again.
>>98206612What was the matchup?
>>98206713Ouch. Well I always try to expect at most a knockdown and any AV break is a bonus. Human vs Dorfs is a weird matchup though. How are you finding Humans in BB2025? According to FUMBBL, they're doing shockingly well.
>>98206788Funny Orcs are still good too having also lost 4 positionals. Then again, apparently in LRB4, they did fine with 2 x 2 Blorcs and Blitzers anyway.
>>98206850The only reason I never got into Orcs is cause it seemed they were high tier all the time. But maybe I should take the dive.
>>98208698kill his rating to stack wins against noobs?
>>98208727>he's got 125k tvA team is 1k-2k TV, 3k on the extreme end.125k is impossible, not even an entire league can total up to 125000 TV
>>98209911No, GOLD is the blood bowl currency.K when used a symbol in these numeric contexts means "000" you write the singular K instead of writing 000 to shorten the fucking number, you mouth-breathing piece of shit.
>>98210038TV is not1:1 equal to Gold Coins.TV is Points, which are distinct from gold coins by a factor of 10.1000 TV is 1000000 Gold Coins.1K TV is 1000 TV is 1000000 Gold Coins.
>>98210163FUMBBL isn't the rules, just because an entity is prominent does not preclude it from error.
>>98210313>what the site sayssee >>98210293
>even after 3 years, there is still autistic shitpost arguing about BBAlso that yhetee star got stealth buffed. Got block instead of juggs. So ridiculous
>>98211685I will argue until GW abandons the game again and you all fuck off because it's "not supported"
>>98211747>fumbbl saysFUMBBL doesn't write the rules.
>>98211747If you think calling someone autistic here is supposed to be an insult then you need to go back.
>>98212481It is. But i would say it lost the insult intensity.
>Want to make a retro "Human Armies of Sauron" big force for MESBG>Cannot find Far Harad and Khand anywhere>Prices online are ridiculous for old metal minis>My stl sources have nothing for scansFuck my life, I guess I'll go 3rd party. Any suggestions?
>>98214027>Far HaradConverted Perry Zulus>KhandNo idea
So is Elf Union fucked in this edition? I loved them in older editions, even did well in a 2020 tourney with them. But people are saying they got fucked hard. I kniw the changes but yet to use them.
>>98215363Not sure if reassuring or not. With the advent of High Elves, has the dynamic of Elf Union being flipped on its head? Some on the team discord feel they're deader than dead which I find discouraging as I fucking loved elves.For context im likely to use em in NAF or matchmaker/exhibition.
Thread would be So Much Better if all the Blood Bowl posters Up and Died.I cannot believe you 2-to-4, maximum, retards type and argue so much about a fucking basically-solved game. Just change all of your posts to a list of links to the top BB youtubers' guides and it would be more valuable to anyone who has to see them.
>>98170871The game peaked my interest recently but found out it got discontinued. Why didn't they keep it around mesbg style? Is there a specific story behind it or is it just because it didn't sell for shit?
>>98215633cry more esl tranny
Redpill me on sneaky stabbas
>>98170871>>98216385It didn't sell well and the rules were written by someone who definitely never played the original. Still hoping it comes back with a new edition at some point, so many great xenos flyer models that are just abandonware.
Looking at a second hand MESBGlot, what do you reckon that thing/things are in the bottom with the wings?
>>98216385>mesbg Billions dollar franchise that GW got exclusive right to, and they probably got those pretty good contract back when IP holders weren't just greedy bitches looking for maximum profit with harsh profit quota to meet.>Is there a specific story behind itNiche theme, bad game, rule writer didn't care (literally failed google search, 0 fuck given about basic aviations knowledge), the guy who made the kits didn't care, GW didn't care, and so does the consumers. game's gone. The "animations" is just "eeey i just saw top gun maverick", "Look! the Eldar is doing the cobra!!!!". Like how's boring and cliche can you be to write these?1st edition of Aeronautica Imperialis is vastly superior complete game, written by 40k nerds who don't need google to get their 40k fact corrected and they have basic aviation knowledge. It's still a fairly barebone game with lacks of customizations.Even the one off "Stormcloud attack" game that GW made to sell their aircraft kits has more effort putting into it than 2nd ed Aeronautica Imperialis. It came with 23 profiles for the plastic kits GW was selling at the time, each one had a unique set of maneuvers.
>>98218171looks like a bat swarm (oop)
Question for MESBG players. If a mumakil moves towards a Grima, does the stomping effect take place? I don't know if it cannot be targeted through this or not. Same for other types of non-charge attacks.
>>98218986Can confirm>>98219196I would say yes since technically he's not being targeted by a charge, just as a side effect of a normal movement.
Well I got round to using elf union for BB2025 and they're fine.Team can still do bullshit and mint passing. Yet to use Fumblerooskie but rest is fine. Started with 2 RR. Blitzers are still the ultimate bullshitters.Beat Nurgle, Khemri, Brets and Old World Alliance.
>>98222082Try and do it with a human roster that is actually a human roster.
>>98222052I go for the 2 catcher, 2 blitzer, 1 thr9wer buikd, hence 2 rerolls. It's not ideal but it gives me options. They still die horribly but I appreciate still having the chance to blast the ball up field or feint a commitment up one side of the pitch to go another way. I looked at the Helf roster though and I can't believe their Blitzers got MA8. And they're cheaper than Union Blitzers!
>>98222204No I mean a real human roster where dwarves and halflings aren't an option, because the faction is HUMANS.
>>98222293>woosh
>>98222318
>order a 16 player Imperial nobles team from a 3rd party>get 20 players (2 extra blitzers and 2 extra linemen), Karla, and stun&prone markers for the ogre
>>98221811>NurgleFumblerooskie can be used to bypass disturbing presence in a tight spot.
>>98222490DEI bullshit.
>>98222407I spy Puggy with my little eye.
>>98222744140k for 1 match vs 30k to roster TTM
>>98223670The Sage is back? Good I guess but his personal life, like most hardcore BBers went to shit. Glad Jimmy got his shit rocked, he is an utter cunt.I think the only big BBer I know of who hasn't lost himself is Andy.
>>98223726Supposedly Sage had an affair with his wife, in that the marriage went to hell and her new boyfriend and her booted him from his house. Might have been a case of Chinese whispers but at a minimum he had a mental breakdown and went offline for a good while.
/gwsg/ - niche eceleb rumors and gay sex
I don't really want to see BFG got brought back as an overpriced 30k game with barely any fleet variety
>>98225224Don't want them to make any new fucking games when we're looking at 6+ months for a new releases.
>>98225928That was Sage and ya I just flubbed that, not even ESL sadly. The cuckshed thing was Sage, just hope it wasn't as bad as people say.
>>98225224Why would they do that? The videogame showed us that current 40k setting is the thing to go. And you already got the rules, theoretical thats all you need.
>>98223028Rules don't have an expiration date.
>>98225928Everyone in this story deserves to die, but nearly as much as you two faggots do for posting about it here.
>>98226814Im not surprised that an eceleb cultist faggot is also unable to play anything but gw's latest product.
>>98226922Relying on fumbbl is just an indirect way of saying that you have no friends and no one wants to play with you.
>>98226980I live in the country, nearest population center is a village of about 200, I manage fine, what's your excuse for not having friends?
>>98227510
>>98227610kekdoes anybody have links or wants to share pdf of the kill team core rulebook? the share thread is having some trouble keeping troves up and things are kind of a mess, and I don't want to pay crack-smoking GW greed-maxxing Jew gangsters $64 fucking dollars for a fucking book that should be $20thanks in advance bros
>>98227665Filename, dingus.
>>98227665samefaggot as who? what the fuck are you even fucking talking about you drooling fucking retard? I just asked for a pdf..
>>98226767I don't see why you're so angry about anons posting about BB players. If you have an issue, talk about something else instead of arguing.
>>98227999get banned, bye faggot
>>98222490no wonder they fumble catching ball
>>98227230Depends on the comp. Skavens still feel decent enough as a team and OWA is dead in EB at least.
>>98228133This is the THIRD fucking time I will ask--does anyone know where I can find the kill team rulebook pdf or have a link to share? No clue what you retarded fucking morons are even on about in your little bitch fight calling me samefag or whatever the actual fuck you're even on about derailing the thread. You are literally embarrassing; anons can't even come in and ask a simple question without this bullshit.
>>98229730Check the Kill Team general
>>98229730Getting pissy about how no one is giving you free shit will really help you.
>>98229730https://wahapedia.ru/kill-team3/the-rules/core-rules/Also pretty much the basic how-to and teams are free from GW.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/kill-team/
I fucking hate the current blood bowl troll. Is there any good alternative, GW or not, or some conversion? I have arms and heads from the AOS stone trolls
>>98231163The foot weilding BB troll off the top of my head. Otherwise, Ripper Bolgrot
Please someone, share scans of the Nemesis Operatives cards, if you have them.
Hey folks, is there any Necromunda list builder that includes things like Armour Saves in their creators?
>>98236645I know Munda Manager is looking at trying to implement it
Final list of the gangs in the campaign. Matchups coming today
>>98238636Pretty good, would be perfect if one of the Faganites was Cawdor instead. No Venators is a tremendous W.
>>98241347Pretty sure all of the palatines are new players so it is acceptable. One of the esher could change to cawdor but oh well. On the side notes Spyrers arent a participator, its an arbitrator gang
What are the pros and cons of Epic 40k vs Epic Armageddon? Epic 40k has the chit pull initiative which seems neat, but EA has a straightforward AA.
>>98176566>13 days agoI couldn’t get link working.Thought it was a me link but if it is I somehow failed to make it work.Sorry.Do you know /3dpg/ encryption to explain the best epic scale stl makers of each army? Maybe a link to a channel? I want to just grab all the best like a curated stl list for the epic armies.
>TQKara Temple Harpies for fetish reasonsQuestion about Kill Team, is it like Necromunda where you need a couple boxes of guys because your list gets bigger over time or is it just one box and you're good to go? Because I plan to pick up a box of Mandrakes because I love the models and have for years Kheradruakh when but I don't know if I can just grab a box and be set
>>98243747Necromunda is an immersive, skirmish adventure. While Killteam PVP is more like Warhammer chess. All teams are one and done, Mandrake only need 1 box. The team is 9 man, so you got 1 spare body.The latest nemesis operative supplement add a custom super strong unit to any team, for both pvp and pve, so technically you can either use the extra spare body or use some other characters for that. But no one will take this seriously and just stick to classic format for pvp.
>>98243747Guide showing which teams are 1-box.
>>98243186Do your own research slowbro. And for future reference /d/hash links are just gofile folders.
Pretty big weekend for us. What do you expect to see?Rumors floating about a new Necromunda edition with new Goliath and Escher sculpts. As for Blood Bowl I have no idea. Brand new team?
>>98244831Can't wait to add obese and troons to my Escher gang.
>>98244831Star players and death bowl-esque additional rules bundle.
>>98244462>content doesn’t existThis is divine punishment for my retardation.Thank you.
>>98244831BLOOD BOWL SPIDERS TEAM!!! I BELIEVE!!!
>>98245966>>98246008Yeah, but them and the last two teams had no Star Players released for them. In fact we've had no new Star Players since the new edition arrived. I'd imagine from the teaser that we're getting Ram Tut and/or Prince Morannian at the least.
>>98243796>>98244155Thank you both
>>98244831I'm anticipating Cathay Blood Bowl teamI WILL be buying it, doubly so if leans into a dumb wuxia gagI will be there day 1 if there's a taopaipai gag of a guy riding the ball like a flying sword
>>98246282Actually would love a forest goblin team, I might play them
>>98241978>What are the pros and cons of Epic 40k vs Epic Armageddon?mechanically, Epic 40k is more abstract and stat lite, which allows it to scale better to very large battle sizes without massively padding out the time commitment. EA goes for more of a balance between that kind of abstraction and the crunchiness of 2nd ed. Initiative chits are a neat include but I don't think they really add a ton.practically, the big difference is that EA has enjoyed continuous popularity for the last two and a half decades, tons of fan expansion and balancing, and you can still find active communities for it in a lot of places. E40k by contrast was long reviled as the edition that "killed epic" and has only recently enjoyed being reevaluated and having its rules cleaned up by some enthusiastic boosters. It has little in the way of extra lists or content, and the only community you can expect is the one you build yourself.
>>98247149I mean, it wouldn't be the absolute dumbest thing to reskin the Slaan team into I suppose?
>>98248404Squiqs will take the slann leap theme. Cathay will be an another "humans but blanket skill" team.
>>98248593Honestly, I still wish they instead used the Slaan team lineup to make Slaanesh instead. I want a Chaos team that isn't just "The Chaos Team but with worse linemen and a special big guy."Of course, if I'm going to be wishlisting I guess I'd also like them to make the Tzeentch team based on the Robots from Dreadballs gimmick where they can transform to different positionals. A thing which I think the Secret League gave their big guy? Albeit it just allows him to choose between Troll, Minotaur or Ogre before the match which is... honestly kind of shit as those three are pretty minor in differences.
I've been forced to enter into a Devil's Bargain which brings me here with a question - the area I've moved to recently has basically no other grumpy old grog gamers it's all horrifying talking foetuses that think Primaris are normal etc, and in my desperation to get a Mordheim campaign going I had to agree to participate in games of Kill Team with some of said disgusting young people: is KT pirateable at all? I really don't want to have to spend a bunch of money on a game that I'm fairly certain will make me want to claw out my own eyeballs, but it seems like getting the rules is quite dependent on buying the boxes?
>>98249231See >>>98229877
>>98249273Thanks for the spoonfeed. Can confirm that my eyeballs are now in serious danger - jesus fuck I hate modern GW rules verbiage. This isn't as bad as HH3.0 but it's still painful.
>>98244831Lets say the rumors about a new edition of Necromunda are true, what would you liked to see changed?I think melee needs some more interest. I had an idea that a combat could inch around the battlefield, and you could do more things like try and toss someone over a railing or something. Also imo the game needs a better introductory campaign. Something closer to the small points gang raid scenarios, but that can be strung together into a micro campaign for onboarding new players, or for if you want to run a shorter campaign. Campaigns are where the game shines, but they can be daunting if you don’t have a somewhat experienced arby.
>>98244831>no mesbgRIP
>>98249881i would like a lowering of the general power level, get back to underhive gangers instead of all these stories about the the top of the hive and haeranot happening, given the set up from the end of the last books but stillmechanically, i'd really like to see group activation back and forth. something like frostgrave would fit really well into the gang feel of the game
>>98244831Most exciting rumors are Scavvies returning for Munda and Legion of the Damned Kill Team, for me.
>>98256271if we get legion of the damned ill be mad or absolutely set. been prepping converting a deathwatch squad in them
If Battlefleet Gothic came back but in Armada scale, would you play it?
>>98257458Not if it was HH only, but sure. There's very extensive fan rules for BFG already though, basically BFG + BFG Armada + other stuff that's been added over the years. Rogue Trader fleets are very fun. If you just want to play it, use them, it's just the same stuff people were playing in the lifespan of the actual game but a bit more.If GW brings back BFG even as just HH you will for sure find they differentiate factions more than things like "Imperial ships have good prow saves, lots of torpedoes and nova cannons" vs. "Chaos ships have less durable prows but have tons of weapon batteries". That could be a good or bad thing depending on your point of view.
>>98257458BFG never went away.The current iteration of BFG is far more developed than anything GW can or will reproduce. There are only 3 angles that a new BFG would have;> plastic models> more popular for the ~6 months it holds people's attention> the possibility that the new rules would be better lmaoIn every other sense, you already have a better BFG and its presumably still not enough for you/most people to actually play it, because your actual interest in playing it is outweighed by the trivial difficulties in sourcing models or finding like-minded players.
>>98257458based on GWs history there's only about a 1% chance that a new edition would be better than the current edition, so probably not.
I know it's unlikely, but what I'd really like is for the next Kill Team box to be Exodites vs whoever, with Maiden World terrain. I'm tired of Imperial terrain
>>98257458Whats Armada scale?
>>98256271Is there an actual concrete rumor floating around for Scavvies? Because that would be cash to have them back.
>>98258550you and me both brother. i might actually splurge and buy that box
>>98249231stop being a pussy about a scale change
>>98261112don't make excuses for primaris
>>98261361it's literally not a big deal, the lore sucks a bit but that's the extent of it
>>98261112NTA, the scale is one thing, it’s the tacticool aesthetic that I can’t endure.
>>98258170Yup. People who want to GW to bring back classic games are deranged. Look at Necromunda; fucked up the fluff, three or four iterations of the rules inside a few years all of which required rebuying books and then an endless sloptide of more books with rules with less thought or playtesting than any fan addition to classic Necromunda I've ever seen, Flanderized faction aesthetics, and now apparently they're resetting it back to zero so they can fleece you all over again.NCE was good 20 years ago and it's still good today. Nothing ever stopped you from playing it except your own laziness, and having GW do the work of generating a new community for you is a devil's bargain that comes at the expense of what made these classic games special and enduring in the first place.I sometimes have literal actual nightmares about what GW are inevitably going to do to Mordheim one day.
>>98261112>>98262209If you're going to troll, get better bait. If you really are this retarded, get a gun and eat a bullet.
>>98262792It is my genuine opinion, the armour change is negligible, the helmet change is exceptionally easy to solve, the lore sucks and the scale is better. It's legitimately not a calamitous event anon
>>98262787>I sometimes have literal actual nightmares about what GW are inevitably going to do to Mordheim one day.Same but for Man'o'War and Warmaster. Dreadfleed being another thing that flopped was the best that could happen to MoW.
>>98258550I don't like Kill Team but like Exodites. Should I just buy them...
>>98258170I agree, you dont really need official “Support“ by GW. The only reason you want it is to get plastic and official kits. Overal attention and visibility to create an active and bigger fandom. I dont think there is anything in the rules that need changing. Thr Armada book tried to collect all the Erratta from the first edition.The only thing it could do is make better fleet rules and more ships that can many can agree on.The BFG videogame already helped that some picked it up again.
>>98262787Thats the problem. Fans need a “leader“ thing for the community and maybe easier to get minis. Not everyone has a 3D printer or mastered it to use it to full happyness.And the problem is GW is a company that needs constant income for the employees and (sadly) investors. So they will produce it cheap, and try to sell you new stuff over and over.
>>98261112>>98262209>>98262893It started out>that's not happeningAnd then>actually it is happening and it's no big dealand now>not only did it happen but it should have happened long before and it's the best thing to ever happenGW doesn't even sell any virtue signaling tranny products for you to consume yet you suckle their corporate dick happily anyway.
>>98263969>that's not happening>And then>actually it is happening and it's no big deal>and now>not only did it happen but it should have happened long before and it's the best thing to ever happenI know people who say such shit. I do my best to remove them from my life.
>>98262944I will cuck out and buy dinosaur riding space elves
whay about a Fimir Blood bowl team?
Exodite on the right?
>no troll sculpt updatethe rat ogre looks great, not a fan of the minotaur. Morg looking fine
>>98265296I was going to say>I guess they did that to show off swappable mini partscause the mino plays for 3 races, there are 3 Morgs and the Rogre plays for 3 races, but the Ogre and Troll now play for 3 races including pact like the mino and Rogre
>new edition of Necromunda>'buy 3 books before you can play'come on man
Lady Goliath
>New Escher and Goliath are kill team trash.>Repackage old gangs in expensive combat patrols when entire game appeal is low starting cost.>Flat single-level terrain instead of towers and walkways.>Shrimplified rules.They fucking killed Necromunda. Oh my god. They killed it dead.
>>98265859>when entire game appeal is low starting cost.we were clearly playing a different game
>>98265859The reason people don't play necromunda more is the astronomically high cost of being able to play it at all because of the terrain requirements.
>>98265884You CAN go crazy, but really you can start Necromunda with a 50 dollar gangbox and a rules printout. The only game that's as potentially low cost is kitchen table Underworlds.
>>98265984>Can't glue cardboard together.
>>98265805It's a marginal improvement in that there are multiple gangs per book and presumably you don't need to buy an additional book for wyrd powers and an additional book for vehicles and an additional book for one piece of wargear that got added and an additional book for the campaign youre playing and an additional book for the dramatis personae you want to use.
>>98266034I have a 3d printer I can do what I want. We aren't talking about me, we are talking about people who don't play necromunda.
I use the free website that has all the rules https://www.necroraw.com.ru/docs/intro
New Goliath sculpts are nice, got too much guns, too few melee weapons and another fucking flamer again. Finally Rivet gun in a shooting pose.New Eschers are ...eeh. Dual auto pistols are nice, the new whip are better than the old trash one that took up 15% of the sprue. Weapons options are trash. Yay! more weapons that people already got a shit tons! The posed are okay except for 1 that is about to fell off. Also those fucking heads, more troon, hag and bitch faces.4.5/10 another wave of "find the fucking weapons elsewhere" kits.
>>98265984Its mostly the rules that are the barrier to entry desu. People hear 30 books and run back to the mainline games or KT.
well the new edition gives me a chance to reboot the campaign that died in the first round
>There is a new Core Rulebook, which updates the game to be quicker, more streamlined, and more balancedThe kiss of death, fucking yikes.
>we got new Goliath and Escher gangers before Corpse Grinders got a plastic upgrade sprueGrim. Dark, even.
>>98266207>streamlined >Balanced Yeah, exactly what 'munda players care about, right?
>>98266220Yep that's exactly what they're after in the chaos generator. Maybe the netlist playing people at my LGS will appreciate this.
>>98266136literally me
They making this shit killteam, I don’t want to play chess
Necromundabros, see you all in the trash. We are dying. They are 8th ed 40king us.
>>98266270Yeah, this was probably the worst thing they could announce
>>98266270But just think of all the exposure you could have with Necromunda tournaments and GW-approved layouts!
>>98266270Aren’t you ready for the simplified not simple edition????
Suprised templates are still a thing
>>98266389Guess I won't be playing the new edition
I think I’m gonna get a boat, this hobby ain’t for me anymore and winters are warm now since I moved
Where's this dude come from?
Why did they have to update Goyliath and Escher trannies when they could have just made a new gang that is simple? The "old" sculpts still look great.
>>98266453It's basically the Van Saar "experts" from Secundus. The old gangers are still there
>>98266453>Let's pump and dump new teams like Warcry and Killteam!Ehhh, no.
>>98266473Has that been confirmed?
>>98266539How about reading the article before posting?
>>98266539Yeah, they're still selling the old gangers + specialists in a combined "Crew" box
>>98266563I would rather just rant you guys without any facts or details
If I wanted competive I would play siege or rocket league
>>98266539Yeah, this is the echer box, and these is the older models
>>98266438From Negromunda.
Need some bbl asians or columbians or something >>98266600
>>98266473Sad, considering every special weapon on the "experts" sprue was absolute fucking trash and everyone just used them as alternate bodies.
>>98266622Unless they fired all onions, troon, fat and Slaanesh agents from GW an attractive female characters will never happen.
>>98266389what does this meanspent 15 minutes glazing ogres and then 10 seconds to go "oh yeah, new necromunda rules. anyways, heres 40k."I do think necro needed some cleaning but...
>>98266677It means all your books now belong to the museum, or the trashcan (wait you actually bought it? ) And the guy who ran the rule site gonna have to add new edition to his site.
>>98266389>more flexibility to playersI dread to know what this means in reality
>>98266709Kill team style locked gear lists…
>>98266814Put the Clippers Away 2.0
>Blood Bowl>just Morg and two updated Big Guys>”and we’ve got Sevens in a new issue of Spike!”>no Death Zone>no pitch re-productions>no new team teasers>no Ramtut>no Sinneadbad>no Moranion coming out of retirement>no Squigs, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, or Cathay teamsCould GW at least give us a teaser for what’s to come? It’s not that difficult.
>>98266389Even the name is milquetoast. "Skirmish". Why not call it Necromunda: Kerkufle. Necromunda: Catfight. Shit just got Warcry'd.
>>98267021Should have asked AI for a name.
>>98265296Agreed. I love the new rat ogre but I would have liked to see what an Underworld or Snotling variant of the troll would look like.
The mino looks retarded.
>>98266213>making the house gangs more appealing in a game about gang warfareBased DESU. So sick of the local campaigns being all squats, corpsegrinders, venators, and nomads. Same shit in Mordheim too. Whole campaigns without a single Empire/mercenaries player. It's like the equivalent of DnD campaigns where everyone is a tiefling or other freakshit.
>>98267193Nigga the house gangs are fucking freaks. Only way to feel like a low-life criminal is to play Outcasts
>>98266998>new minotaur and rat ogreRenegade box EoY.
>>98266998it's even worse when you consider Morg is on the >don't allow this star player because he's too good list
>load up the ol' fumbbl>get a match against one of those degenerates that has over 4k matches and twice as many wins as losses>it's nurgle so no one is going to have any fun>kill one of his nurgle warriors turn 2 no regen>he insta concedes>mfw I guess it saves me from having to play vs nurgle. who the fuck thought that team was a good idea with all of the foul appearance, strength, pick me up and stand firm?
>>98267145to be fair, only retards and chaos pact coaches (aka retards) take the mino
>>98267193i am glad to push the main houses, that is necromunda but>>98267220 is kind of right. the recent push in both lore and available tech makes the main houses more like a paramilitary force then a gang fighting for the undercity. way too much top side control and fighting. the succession was one of the gayest stories that ended with being an absolute nothing burger.
>>98266438Not an alt build from the new kit, I have no idea. Maybe a new Goliath base gang kit?
>>98267021I think "Warhammer Skirmish: Necromunda" is what its meant to be, which leads me to think they make 'Warhammer Skirmish: Mordheim' at some point down the line.
>>98267193Completely agree. I will say Scavvies need to be added, but Houses are the #1.
>male Escher>female GoliathDead Necromunda.
Retard
>>98173472I don't have the Varus models that's on your pic but I think I have some stuff. Mostly marines.I'll post it later if you still need it
I don't know my opinion on the upcoming new Necromunda as Goonhammer hasn't given it to me yet.
>>98267829Lol.I am concerned about the simplifying.But also have hope, with the tech hunter new guys for Goliath and Escher, am hoping we actually see more depth, items, skills etc.But will need to wait to see what it all means once it's released. We're just making assumptions ATM
>>98266270>>98266389I'm ironically happy because it's one more thing I get to be retardedly superior about over sheep that buy into the new edition.
>>98267021The branding is crazy bad. I already had several people in my current necromunda campaign ask me what this game is.
>>98267852Given GW's track record and all those horrible buzzwords and platitudes I think the best we can hope for is it being Kill Team. But entirely possible it will be Warcry. Either way it sounds like I will probably be sticking with N23 for the foreseeable future and only using the new models to expand my N23 collection with whatever they can work as. But like GW did with BB I fully expect them to add new and entirely unnecessary fighter just to push the new kits and ruleset. The combination of the existing basic gang kit + champ/prospect kit into the new Crew kit isn't the worst thing in the world, but I imagine it means that those two older kits will no longer be sold separately and the new combined kit will come with a price hike.
>>98267852When considering it's doing much better for upgrade kits for gangs than Heresy does for upgrades on fucking Space Marines of all things that should've been out by now, Necromunda comes off as being a pet project and so maybe they won't fuck it up too much. Hopefully.It's also funny to see the enforcers not get a combo box despite having a more fleshed-out selection than most gangs, but knowing some play groups having them everywhere it's probably for the best.
>>98268472Seems pretty clear they are tackling the House gangs stuff first before they do anything substantial with the non-House gangs. It'll be some time before there is any more Enforcer stuff. Just like I don't see anything new for Squats or Nomads happening anytime soon either.
>>98268557Yeah, and the OGs deserve some more kits anyway. Cops already have four plastic boxes before upgrades.
It feels like GW's pushing new editions for EVERYTHING. Has any of the resulted in something getting better?
>no MESBG at allI'm already huffing copium that there will be something for The Lord of the Rings: The Hunt for Gollum, starring Anya Taylor Joy™
>>98269309every once in a while a new edition is a little better than the previous one by accident. infinite monkeys, infinite keyboards and all that. generally though, no.it's important to understand that with GW, new edition does not mean "we fixed some things and reissued". it's a product launch. the point is to generate hype and boost sales. before that edition has even hit the ground, they're already planning the next one.this is why there's so much constant grumbling about sticking with old editions, or using alternate non-GW rulesets, in every single GW game community. it's also why anons who've been interested in /gwsg/ for any length of time quickly abandon the official releases in favor of the community managed "dead" games - because they're stable and they actually get better over time.
It feels like GW is in a very odd spot with its specialist games>Underworlds is dead but they wont admit it>Warcry is dead but they dont admit it>Bloodbowl is already feeling like its on a downward trend>Kill Team is turning into a "roll on the AI table" single player kitchen counter game>Necromunda turning into a terrain light beer and prezels skirmish which is exactly what Kill Team was meant to be, and in the same setting no less>Meanwhile everything else is an afterthoughtIt feels like the want to go beyond "one model per setting" to "every game has to be something different" so kill team can't be a pure skirmish, necromunda can't be a ongoing narrative, blood bowl cant lean to close to either of those and so on.Makes you wonder what the fuck happens to AoS if TOW is becoming their new "buy a small army in one box and jump in" wargame.
>>98270121>Makes you wonder what the fuck happens to AoS if TOW is becoming their new "buy a small army in one box and jump in" wargame.Nothing cause AoS has the painter appeal while tow is leftiver greas from old fries.
>>98270146>does he know?
>>98270121I'm pretty sure they make back 90% of the investment in the first couple weeks with these games, and not much after. so it's just "how long before we can reboot it again". there's not much money in supporting them in the meantime.>>98270146they treat their main game audiences worse, but those groups are also more ok with eating shit
>>98270330I dunno since 3rd edition AoS has been flatliining in some areas because people felt it was directionless and pulling shit out their ass. From the whole "era of the beast" being where they announce squatting beastmen and going "uhhh by beast we meant orks all along haha, yeah, plans within plans" theres been a sentiment the AoS team has been on the backfoot constantly trying to pivot to recapture Soul Wars -pun not intended- lightning in a bottle and it just hasn't worked.And i really, really liked AoS in the past so don't assume this is some grog still mad about burning his dark elves its just not been in a great spot for a while and comparatively TOW players are much more dedicated.Part of me wonders if its just because AoS feels a little more corporate and hasbro-ey while TOW will still go "dont have enough models to field a unit at the size you need? fuck it make some fillers out of bits" and that shit would never get mentioned for AoS that seems to be seen as a game selling toy model kits over TOW which seems more to be selling a hobbying medium if that makes sense.
>>98175595It kills me that Games Workshop used to have the rights to Fury of Dracula, but we never got an Inquisitor themed version of the game for 40k.Jesus, the amount of money I would have thrown at that is downright fucking indecent.
>>98269309Rulebook sales I would imagine.
>>98270121Underworld, Warcry, and Kill team are from Warhammer Design Studio, while Necro and Blood Bowl are from Specialist Design Studio.The Warhammer Design Studio games were all under immense price gouging from GW, with Warcry died first and became "the 3rd game you can play from a spearhead box". WU was relatively low cost to produce but the cards was just as expensive as the team. Kill team survived but for how long? They ran out of judei already with release now only has 1 team. And the latest one with 3 exodites armed with generic elder weapons didn't even make any sense for a kill team.
>>98270436>judeitypo, i meant "juice"
>>98269309Well I personally much prefer underworlds 2nd edition, but it's more like a sidegrade at best.
>>98270439kek
>>98270587It all come down to the team, whether or not they got an interesting rule and not a boring one. Removing text from fighter cards was a mistake.
>>98267220Outcast and Venator feels more like playing Necromunda than the House Gangs.Even Chaos and GSC feel more necro.I mostly blame it on >>98267545 this and the non House Gangs having a more limited selection of toys
Does anyone here own the Ambull from when it was produced in the blue-ish plastic? I would like to know if that version has any problems with the plastic, like certain runs of non-grey have had before.
>>98270121MESBG not even mentioned. Grim.
>>98269952>>98270121Blood bowl is in a better state than it was 10 years ago. the only real issue is the retarded ass sprue bowl shit ruining some teams
Since we are on bump limit>>>>98272086
>>98270121meanwhile MESBG is still kino, not that /gwsg/ would know anything about that.
