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Battletech would have more widespread popular appeal among women, transsexuals and normies if there was less focus on the mechs and more on the society, culture and politics of the noble families of the Inner Sphere
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>>98174390I would like to learn more of that too achsually. But like its based when I do it because I want to show a qt lyran noblewomen my axman.
>Doom Courser>Balius>Thunder StallionAny other CHH iconic mechs?
*flies past*
>>98174494For what it's worth, the Clan Hell's Horses unique Battle Armor are the Gnome and Buraq.
>>98174494The Epona is a Horse omni-vee.
Are any of the minis from Gundam Assemble looking like they'd be good stand-ins for anything here? I tried using the old Macross minis from a few years back, but they were not made well enough for play.
>>98174592I picked up this box, and the Zaku figures are about the same size of CGL assault mechs. However, the dynamic posing kills a lot of them if you want to get them to fit most of them on standard Battletech bases. Of the three seen on the box, only the idle pose standing one would fit on them, and even then, its feet reach the edge.There may be some others that fit, but the number of poses Bandai is going with that have them crouching, running, or otherwise having their legs splayed out (much less the weapons/wings/etc that spill over) will limit how many can fit on standard Battletech bases.Might be able to fit some on Superheavy bases, though. I don't have any for comparrison, but I seem to recall those are bigger than the standard 1.25". Not sure if they get big enough to account for the Gundam Assemble 2" bases, though, as I don't have any Superheavies to compare properly.
>>98174651So close and yet so far. I'll bet that was planned.
>>98174651Eh, they'll look good enough as oversized Horned Owls
>>98174722They'll look like shit alongside everything else, shame on you
>>98174390I would not mind them writing about "The guerilla campaign for defensive city architecture in the Taurian Concordate during the Territorial State period", "Examples of adaption of interstellar representative architecture by Davion New Families" or learn more about "The economics of balancing Star League Lighter-than-Air habitas and terraforming strategies."
Was the largest mobile ground unit still the Rattler by ilClan?
>>98174390I wish opium/heroin were more popular with studio execs. My uncle in Australia has a poppy farm on his ranch and I’d dump so much of that shit over at the hbo offices to get them to produce a battletech political thriller series
>>98174817At least Blick made a BT spy novel series featuring phat Capellan ass and cyborg gorillas raping a woman.
>>98174390This was your reminder that mechs are the only important thing in this game.
>>98174795Combat or non combat and do you include naval?Cause Rattler is extinct by ilclan anyway and there are 30k+ ton freighters around if you factor in non combat.>>98173940So just playing Mechwarrior using Periphery 2nd edition as a reference guide then?
>>98174390Does anyone actually enjoy the thought of being some asslicking Davion nobleman with a hereditary battlemech and peasants to oppress? Other than Jane Austen reading foids
>>98174876This. Pilots and politicians come and go, but the machine endures. There are still 'mechs in use in 3152 that rolled off an assembly line in 2515.
I lile the Kit Fox V
>>98174914The main way Davion noblemen protect themselves from their subject's complaints is through public apologies.They aren't going to change the policies that cause the complaint, mind. They gave the plebs face and their superiors saw that they did and that's all that matters.
>>98174914Hanse was based tbf
>>98174393The dragon is gay
>>98174390I wouldn't strictly say the 'Mechs need to go away. They just need to be shifted from the center show to a tool for the MC or PoV to use, akin to a loyal knight or for social bragging/dominance in the case of BattleMechs, or to construct locations or indicate the economy they can influence in the case of IndustrialMechs.A spice for distinct flavor rather while the main show is Feudalism transplanted into space, effectively.
>>98174390>widespread popular appeal among women, transsexuals and normiesWhy would youbwant that?
>>98175019Maybe someone wants another porch?
>>98174390Fakk u
>>98175018What we need are Mechs as spirit animal companions, just like in my YA fiction.There comes a time for every boy and girl to go on a vision quest into an ancient, underground automated SL factory in order to find its mech companion.
>>98175130I could unironically see a Periphiary world doing that shit. Just throw in Pirates or a Merc company wanting to loot the whole place in its entirety and the newest person going down and pulling out something particularly special in some way.
>>98174919And they work just as well as modern mechs. Which begs the question of why even bother making new designs at all.
>>98174390What attracts women to fiction media, is complex social relationships and how they make them feel. Its hard for them to build the same kind of interest in inanimate machines like mechs, the same way that its largely men who like cars, trains, construction tools, military vehicles and so forth.For trannies its easier since most of them are male-brained. You just need a healthy dose of autogynephilia to hook them. So just have sexy women in tight outfits piloting the mechs
>>98175156That's mostly a case of infrastructure being blown up repeatedly for a several hundred year period, and it still being viable is a side effect of true Battlemechs being kinda rare compared to Militiamechs.Though we are probably reaching a point where Tech Level G fusing Clan and Inner Sphere tech for a new standard should come into play. Clans have been on F for a hell of a long time and even the Inner Sphere has been on that for about 100 years at this point.
>Tfw no B-movie sexploitation flick about a dashing FedCom noble & Mechwarrior being taken as a bondsman by a beautiful clanner warrioress, and trying to find a way to escape while also resisting her attempts to seduce him into embracing clan culture each time she forces him to share her bed.Make it happen Canopans.
>>98174963The First Prince would also very publicly purge a noble house every so often to remind them whose boss and to give the peasants some hope for the process.
>>98174445Careful Anon, if she likes it too much you might get promoted to a general.
>>98175366>her attempts to seduce himIt's more like a romance novel, where she and her sibko mates tenderly caress him until his body starts rejecting his former Chalcas ways.
>>98174393Don't worry anon. All those Dracs that were so excited to go deep into Davion territory have been honored in shallow graves. They will be remembered as the failures and losers that over extended and couldn't make any actual gains. How sad, for you.
Battletech needs more cute girls in mechs performing crazy stunts while playing the equivalent of band-maid from their cockpits. I know Katrina Steiner fits the bill but we need more damnit!
>>98175628Girls und mech?
>>98174363The toyama is such a cool mech I wish I wasn't immediately killed for having one these days
>>98174390Literally read the old great house books. They are some of the most in depth tabletop books I've ever read
>>98175879They should re-imagine the somerset strikers as a girls-und-battlemechs anime and the clan invasion is the big cliffhanger of season 1
>>98175948We should honestly just do that ourselves.
>>98175947Aren't these like the TRO's in that they are written from the point of view of an in-universe character?
>>98174372Yeah but, I just got here!
>>98174372I don't like it compared to the old box flea
>>98174913Combat ground units. Other than that, is the next contender the Ares?
If I'm trying to lure normies away from DnD into Blake's Blessed Light. If people tell me their favourite DnD classes, how would you translate that into Mech choices to give them to start?i.e. Rogue = Any Backstabber mech. Warrior = a tough brawler or juggernaut. Berserker = anything with a Hatchet I guess.The hard part is when you get to the more esoteric support classes.
>>98176154Only thing I can think of off the top of my head is the Devastator II superheavy tank which is 160 tons. They use this pic in the record sheets.
>>98176336This isn't DnD.You get indirect dps, long range dps, AoE dps, punchy Boi, backstabber, flex, and scout.Most of the classes fall apart when applied to mechs because this setting doesn't have buffs/debuffs.You might be able to sell people on some of the support stuff like command consoles getting access to satellites, ecm, tag, active probes, etc but nobody is pulling off a fastball special or casting timestop.
What is the best king crab in the year of our blake 3151?
>>98176548The 010 is reasonably cheap and has good damage when it gets in and PPCs for the approach, the 001 has two Gauss, 008 if you're running C3I like the indoctrinated Blakist you are, 005r for standard C3. Gun to my head I'd pick the 001, two gauss is two gauss and anything past it is getting pretty expensive in BV.
>>98176154Found some moreDestrier Siege Vehicle and Gulltoppr, 200 and 190 tons respectfully.
>>98176008They're written like a school textbook or popular history book, with an introduction from the fictional editor.Incredibly well done series.
>>98176752Okay, but that makes them subject to in-universe propaganda, human error, bias to one's own faction and prejudice against other factions.So their contents are definitively circumstantial regarding accuracy.in-universe subjectivity is a consistent trend I've noticed in the games fluff books.This is a flaw (and a strength) in that any player can arbitrarily contradict anything in them with their own MyDudes fluff.But it also makes the "canon" very weak.
>>98176781They're all written from the Comstar PoV because that's the one faction that's been taking notes on everyone for hundreds of years, has the best spy network known to man and is the biggest book publisher in human space. Also, the Novels are the hardest truest canon, and very little is contradicted in the original housebooks which are the foundation of all Battletech lore. Wish I still had the famous pic of the Fanpro Line Dev pulling out a file drawer full of Housebooks when talking about references for writing Jihad stuff.Now, you might have a point in things like more modern SB's written by propaganda faggots like the Stoners.
>>98176847Modern writers can't separate real world politics from fiction.It'd be laughable if they weren't actively fucking settings left right and center. Now it's just sad.
>>98176336Probably don't try to convince people to play something that isn't D&D by describing it as if its analogous to D&D. I convinced my friend to switch his campaign from 5e to GURPS by showing him weapon stat blocks that are actually substantively different from each other and (he was a marine) sending him a PDF of Tactical Shooting. Appeal to the specific interests of the people you are talking to instead of being patronizing and treating them as if the only thing they know exists is D&D, if your friends are build autists, show them the TechManual.
>>98176008They're framed as Com* text books for Com* use.
>>98176061>>98174372RTVRN
>>98176336I'd be very careful with trying to apply the Battletech terms for roles to a DnD setting mainly because the Battletech terms are confusing as fuck to people who haven't read campaign ops. For example the Centurion and Warhammer are both considered brawlers, neither of which are designs that should be anywhere up close unless something has gone considerably wrong.Otherwise what >>98176958 said
>>98176847>>98176973I will agree only insofar as the specific events will be hard canon, such and such battle happened, the clan invasion leads into the FCCW, etc... the specific details of those events are more solid than most other things, but all human works are subject to human error, and just because any given individual is a member of comstar doesn't mean they won't have personal biases for and against the other main factions, comstar is not a nation, no one is born a citizen of comstar.As I said, this is a good thing, it means whatever any player wants to do with their own story is valid and it is an incredible argument against any That Guy who tries to be a dictatorial purest about any given detail.
>>98176983Cute
>MONDAY>MONDAY>MONDAY>Come see the greatest spectacle the Inner Sphere has to offer! Saurian cybernetic monstrosities are loose in the arenas of Solaris VII, and it's up to a plucky band of gladiators to put them down. Get ready for>DINO THUNDER!Running a game tonight with players facing off against hordes of custom Abominations
>>98177048Here's the rules I'm usinghttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13eMARy4kR9wwuluQKZ7rAi5pljfPTgQg0LtqN1rIjwY/edit?usp=sharing
>>98175530You just gave me an idea: Quintessential Quintuplets but they’re clanner girls>MC is taken as bondsman by cute clanner girl, she initially plans to use him as her boy-toy/sparring partner>Her Star is a whole sibko of women, all gene-sisters>Clan geneologists figure out MC has direct descent from some big name SLDF officer-turned-merc, making him eligible for a previously-extinct bloodhouse>The clan leadership wants the Sibko to get MC to assimilate into Clan culture and become a warrior so they can reap the glory of resurrecting his bloodhouse>As an Inner Sphere freebirth, he will naturally be resistant to the idea, so the girls have to wine-and-dine him and make him warm up to the clans>They make it a competition: whichever girl succeeds in getting him to convert gets to make a new sibko with his bloodline>Harem rom-com antics ensue as the girls engage in harebrained seduction schemes while also actually falling in love with MC (who is still looking for any opportunity to escape back to the IS).Not sure what clan they should be though.
>>98177134Sounds like Diamond Shark to me.
Why are so many sphere wide problems directly or indirectly caused by Steiners?
>>98177134>clan people have to interact with a normal human person and get him to like weird clan thingsNobody working for CGL could write this.
>>98177178Even if you change the name, they're still Habsburgs
>>98177178Such as?
>>98177213Focht was a Steiner.Victor was a Steiner.Katherine was a Steiner.Devlin Stone was a Steiner.Alaric guess what a Steiner.
>>98177213Try reading the lore for examples.
>>98177234>Saved the IS from the Clans>Saved the IS from the Clans and Blakist Madness>Fair enough >Unconfirmed, and ended Blakist Madness>More Clanner than Steiner. Marik hands typed this post.
>>98177329>Blakist madnessThe Word of Blake did nothing wrong!
>>98177329The blakist madness was 100% on Focht's hands, and Katherine was 100% on Victor's hands.
>>98177363>Katherine was 100% on Victor's hands.But not literally, because that would have solved the problem. She never experienced the princess buster and seethed about it to her dying breath.
Canopus shore leave, what are you doing?
>>98177412Killing Canopans.
>>98177412Never been much for gambling or scantily clad women, but I bet Canopus' tourist industry extends to having some good museums.
>>98177412The real question is how the fuck did the Jade Falcons get there?
>>98174390I honestly find it stupid how bland the military structures are. Look at the militaries of the 14th-19th centuries that the organization of IS militaries are based on. France for example had before the revolution had just among its guard units>Bodyguards (four companies including the Scots Guard)>Hundred Swiss>Swiss Guard (different from the Hundred Swiss)>Musketeers of the Guard (two companies)>Ordonnance Gendarmes>Horse Grenadiers>Gendarmes of the Guard>Guards Light Cavalry
>>98177363Victor was off dealing with the Clans, was he supposed to shoot his sister because she was a bit sus? Especially when she made an effort to look squeaky clean in public. You could kind of blame Focht for Blakism, but if he didn't kill Waterly you would have had the Jihad in 3052 when the IS couldn't afford it. And some blame is on the Mariks for harboring them and eventually leading them
>>98177444>You could kind of blame Focht for Blakism, but if he didn't kill Waterly you would have had the Jihad in 3052 when the IS couldn't afford it.The issue was not shooting Waterly but failing to shoot Demona Aziz. The First Circuit was literally waiting for the shot.
>>98177442He won a trial of position against a ticket holder.
>>98177443Well that's all infantry, a branch of the armed forces that doesn't matter in BT.
>>98177348Main thing that bugs me about the Word of Blake is that they made all this tech and new mechs just to say "oops it's taboo, all of it went extinct" which makes the whole Jihad the most pointless thing. It would be like if after the Wars of Reaving the Inner Sphere clans all decided to stop using clan tech as penitence for being abjured from the homeworlds. It renders all the new tech as though it might have never existed.Anyway that's why I have no problems using Word of Blake mechs in my post-Jihad army. Fuck the retarded bits of canon, the Combine has committed enough war crimes they wouldn't turn down good tech because Blakists killed some civvies.
>>98177442Long term recon mission travelling around the IS powers. He was sent to check out their Elemental equivalents, following up rumours of 'mighty amazon women' in case the IS are starting up their own programs. >>98177412There's probably some really neat arcades there to check out at least.
>>98177567Yeah, the fact that they deleted all of the fun Blakist stuff, only to keep the actual cancer of iJJ's and partial wings around is bullshit.
>>98177567It'll probably creep back in over time, especially since the Republic isn't around any more to yell at people.
>>98177567A lot of Battletech factions have favourite rides: the main issue is that the Blakist mechs are really linked to the faction (and in the case of the Celestials and the like, to a subfaction) to the point of being iconic for them. They kinda wrote themselves into a corner there, who knows if/when they release the Forcepacks we'll get some insanity like the Aurigans having a spare Archangel factory lying somewhere.
>>98176061>>98174372Kinda like the boxy PGI design better
What's the magic tonnage number for the sword again?
>>98176061>>98176983Boxy flea is just too blatantly an AT-ST
>>9817766755. That gets you a 6 damage sword, which lets you have a 12 damage TSM sword, and you can go 5/8/5 easily.
I've realized this weekend I'm really bad at playing any mech or lance that requires any sort of finesse and my preferred style of play is to simple move mechs aggressively forward and hit stuff. What mechs fit this strategy?
>>98177697Hundred tonners.
Since Hell's Horses are the clan tank guns, shouldn't they have a superheavy tank for their tankwarriors?
>>98177697Kodiak, its just a brick shithouse that kills you.
>>98177713Anon, that's sensible. Clanners aren't sensible
>>98177717That's a good one, that 4/6 movement and UAC20 doesn't fuck around.
>>98177697King Crab, Stalker, Atlas. All the big slow assaults really. Or a Banshee if you're feeling daring
>>98177697Hunchback and Hunchback IIC. You got a big gun and a need to kill
>>98177725It also has enough guns that it doesn't run out of firepower even when missing limbs.
>>98177604Even if you got rid of all of the Celestials (which I don't think you need to, mercs can use faction mechs and plenty worked for the Word of Blake) there's still plenty of variants of other mechs made by WoB and literally anything with C3i
>>98177719>>98177713They have the Eurus as their sensible omi MBT but there definitely should be something bigger like a modern version of the Mars or Athena.
>>98177697Reminds me of a concept I had, making a Society star using all advanced assault mechs but with absolutely dogshit pilots who've never piloted a mech.
>>9817776390 tons XL engine, armored motive system and a HAG, what are other horse things?
>>98177697Flashman is my go to, at least for suck wars. Good armor, no ammo, short range meaning that paying for gunnery is optional, relatively cheap for what you get. You march him up the center, blast away, and let your less durable lancemates work behind him. The Grasshopper and Stiener Thud are also good at this, but they do have ammo, so watch out. Be careful with Assaults. Not only are they very expensive (meaning worse mechs as lancemates usually) but they are also very slow, have to constantly run to get anywhere (meaning you're not going to be landing many hits on the way in), and are giant pulsing bullseyes for a gun line. They can slow down a formation to the point where it actually becomes a detriment to your forcecomp.
>>98177163But the girls should be pretty, not Jews.
>>98177412Transitioning. No better place in the inner sphere to become a real woman.
We know a Clan is Annihilated in the Ilclan-era. I feel like it'll be the Hell's Horses sadly :( they've been pissy about about the whole Ilclan thing since the day the 3rd Star League was born.
>>98177444>was he supposed to shoot his sister because she was a bit susYESThat's what you DO to women who don't know their place
What would have actually happened if some mercs appeared with SLDF mechs with lostechs all over in 3025? Comstar killteam dispatched?
>>98178291Probably nothing. The issue isn't people getting a handful of SLDF mechs, it's people mass producing at Star League Levels that's the problem. In a few years, all those shiny mechs will be beat to shit and without spare parts, they'll have to get downgraded to 3025 standards. No harm, no foul. Now, if someone has lostech blueprints, then you scramble the kill team and take that shit.
>>98177104Can you post the campaign/mission setup as well?
>>98178170Blake willing, it will be Ghost Bears.
>>98178291Comstar aren't the mechanicus or whatever, they don't care about high tech stuff because it's high tech, they care because it could ruin their plans by tipping the balance of power. Unless one of those mechs has a ground-mobile HPG or they came out of a hitherto unknown black box factory, Comstar won't care beyond making a cursory check that it is a one-time thing.
>>98177444>>98177477Myndo Waterly was a moron, her doing a Jihad in 3052 would have been a hilarious failure. Focht literally just needed to do nothing and let her self destruct.And if he was going to kill her he needed a better plan for the followup than "Eh, they're mad now, but I'm sure they'll chill out in the FWL".
>>98178291Everyone and their mothers would have been after them. It wouldn't have been a case of a Comstar killteam but more a rival mercs would have gone "hey I can salvage that gauss rifle and get a whole new mech from a Great House!" kind of affair. That is why those who had it kept it under wraps and didn't actively use them.Then again this has been sort of soft reconned where mechs with minimal lostech are still around even by the late Succession Wars though best you are seeing is typically FF and C.A.S.E.
>>98178334They stalked the Dragoons for 25 years trying to find their stash of SL 'mechs. They cared.
>>98178170Can't be Wolves since they're needed for the plot.Jade Falcons and Smoke Jags were just salvaged to be 3rd Star League, weird to go through that much trouble to use them then annihilate them, unless this refers to the JF remnants.Similarly they went through way too much convoluted trouble to make the Clan Protectorate a thing to get rid of it.Ghost Bears and Sea Foxes are way too much creator-pets for that to ever happen. So its would be Horses or Ravens. Might be Ravens as an excuse to get rid of Warships again, but I feel there's more Raven fans than Horse fans.
>>98178307There isn't really one, I'm just gonna eyeball running a "horde mode" type game with the dinosaurs against the mechs. I'm aiming it at newer players who are still learning to control mechs and veterans who want a beer and pretzels game
>>98178291This did happen, they called themselves Wolf's Dragoons.
>>98178410They brought pristine new mechs but all introtech downgraded though
>>98178170>We know a Clan is Annihilated in the Ilclan-era.What? Source?
>>98178375NTA, but that's a bit like Apples to Oranges. A known merc company who stumbles across a lance or even a company of old SLDF mechs is one thing. A bunch of totally unknowns waltzing out of the periphery with 5 regiments of factory new mechs is something else.
>>98178439The 3250 flash-forward-back intros for the era TROs refer to "The Last Annihilation" as one of the events in the ilClan era, but give no further details. They're written by a Loremaster with the bloodname Roshak, which implies the Jade Falcons are still around in some form.
>>98178439Read the lore, nigga.
>>98178375That's because they had multiple regiments of pristine mechs, (some of which were thought to only exist on paper or not even known about at all prior to suddenly showing up in bulk) with an apparently bottomless supply of replacements and a penchant for starting up new production. The goons didn't even show anything particularly high tech at first.
>Second, the vast gulf between the Inner Sphere and Clan technology bases was particularly jarring, especially to today’s readers for whom such distinctions have become basically meaningless.So when the timeline advances there will be no difference between Clan and Inner Sphere tech?
>>98178505Back when they were considering a time jump to 3250, I believe there was consideration of a whole new tech base, "Gen 3", which would have been leagues ahead of Clan Tech, but had similar mechanics to current tech, with the justification that Gen 3 weapons and Gen 3 armor have both advanced in tandem so that a Gen 3 medium laser still does 5 damage to Gen 3 standard armor. This would've required rules for handling how pre-Gen 3 equipment would interact with it, but would've saved having to cram more dots into the record sheets and inflate damage numbers.This plan seems to have been abandoned as CGL doesn't look like they're doing a timeskip, probably because they figured out that's part of what pissed people off about MWDA.
>>98178505>>98178470Friendly reminder, the Republic may yet endure in some form as of 3250, as this same loremaster is in contact with an Exarch.
>>98178542You'd just have to make it BAR 11. BAR 10 already has special rules above and beyond what the actual base rules for BAR actually are. Namely that it doesn't get penned instantly by anything doing more than 10 damage. They can just add an extra line after that saying that BAR 11 armor halves damage from all weapons that aren't in the generation 3 tech base and call it a day.
>>98178505There's very little distinction currently with all the Mixed Tech stuff running around for over 100 years by this point of the timeline starting with Clan Invasion salvage and noticeable parts of the Inner Sphere have gone from the Star League Technology Rating of E that they reached in 3050 to the Clan's Technology Rating F for infrastructure and production in 3065, just shy of 90 years before the start of IlClan.It's not something yet being rolled out as the above anon mentioned they aren't doing the timeskip, but it is probably something that's going to be coming into play eventually.>>98178542>This would've required rules for handling how pre-Gen 3 equipment would interact with itEasiest way I could see is to take the Tech Base of the Tech Manual used for determining what options a Mech can have, and then adding a rule that applies to the tabletop. Something like an Inner Sphere/Clan/Mixed Inner Sphere/Mixed Clan loses 25% of their damage (rounded, can't reduce below 1) when attacking a "Gen 3" Tech Base mech, while the reverse with a Gen 3 attacking one of those deals 33% more (3/4 is 25% and the reverse of 4/3 is 133%)Thus, a 5 damage medium laser fired by a Clan tech base mech would deal 4 damage to a Gen 3 (3.75 rounded) while a Gen 4 would deal 7 damage to a Clan mech (6.67 rounded). Lower end everything is pretty small and missiles are barely affected (though their ammo could very easily just be called as being stocked with Gen 3 standard), but when you hit PPCs you are seeing a 10 damage go to 8 and 13, and the 15 Gauss rifle goes 11 and 20.They could go 50%/200% if they wanted, but this 75%/133% would probably be enough on its own while still letting older mechs do something while the new stuff still maintains an advantage.
>>98178470>>98178505Pretty sure CGL will retcon it, IMO. At least they said they're not going to timeskip when asked about 3250
>>98178542I don't even think they need to change the tech base like that, just have the better tech replace the worse tech and modify some rules for IS specific tech so heavy fibroferrous is lighter but bulkier than regular so it's worth taking and the same thing with stuff like heavy and light gauss rifles and PPCs and stuff.So a heavy PPC might do 20 damage but be heavier, hotter, and have worse range than a (formerly clan specific) PPC.
>>98178474>The goons didn't even show anything particularly high tech at first.Except for that fully functional Star League mobile DropShip factory that somehow got a pass from ROM sabateurs?
Replacing tech remains an exceedingly stupid idea and for once I'm going to explain comprehensively why.Consider the status quo. Not counting primitive and prototype versions there are two kinds of a variety of weapons and equipment; the Clan and Inner Sphere equivalents. Some of these are "upgrades" that operate slightly differently and fully replace the would-be clan equivalent, such as ER Lasers, but others are simply the "same" equipment with different stats. Many of the stats differ according to individual cut outs and tweaks rather than some hard fast rule, so specific Clan Weapons are big standouts, while others are just more efficient.Clan and Mixtech designs generally employ these Clan-spec weapons because of their higher strength, ignoring the increased BV (as BV is an out-of-universe balancing metric; manufacturers only employ lower BV designs based on other goals, such as logistical challenges or cost cutting). While a number of Inner Sphere specialty weapons exist as sidegrades or alternates, Clan weapons remain very competitive in their niches.So why not introduce a newer more modern tech base? We'll call these hypothetical designs 3SL (3rd Star League) for brevity. What does a 3SL Medium Laser need to do to be a meaningful addition to the game?It needs to deal more damage, or be smaller, or produce less heat, or have more range, or any combination of the above compared to the Clan counterpart. If that's the case, the only reason one wouldn't want to use that design is cost or availability. In universe, that would mean that these 3SL weapon designs will just be Clan weapons to Clan weapons... and just deepen the existing design problem. Similarly if they were designed to beat a new generation of armor, they are once again digging the hole deeper and adding a barrier of complexity to new designs and play without meaningfully adding any interest to design and play.
SEX WITH WATERLY!
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>>98178830Pretty sure its against the law to fuck the retarded.
>>98178170They have clumsily attempted to set up horses as a antagonists, so them being annihilated as the result of a deliberate campaign against them seems possible, but the jade falcon touman was 98% destroyed already wnf they're broken up into a bunch of bullshit succesdors so them getting annihilated by somebody seems very plausible as well.It honestly seems like a really dumb line thrown in to be dramatic without thought about what really should happen in the setting. I still don't really think they have a clue about what they want to write about.
>>98178768The reason you replace technology is not so that you can have it interact with older technology (remember, the context for this decision was a hundred year time skip - all the older generation mechs are in museums/the ground by now.) You do it to reset the technology curve, which has been utterly fucked since Jihad onwards. Things like Improved Jump Jets, partial wings, different armor types, etc. etc. break much of the balance that emerges out of the construction rules, and make the game much more complicated than it has to be. A 3rd Gen tech base allows the team to advance the plot while sifting out the bad technology from the good. So you can keep your MML's and ECM's, and you can handwave iJJ's and the like away by saying "oh, the new technology is so much better we didn't need them anymore, stop asking questions." So now you can carry on the meta narrative of BT without the need for a reboot, and a medium laser does 5 points of damage to armor while generating 3 heat to be sunk. The reason this was not done is likely due to (somewhat well founded) fears that tampering this much with the rules of the game would end up doing more harm than good, and break decades of precedent of not fucking around with the games base rules. Not to mention causing fans to freak out about Battletech dying right after CGL had got the game somewhat back in the main stream.
>>98177797a 2ft long horse-cock dildo strapped to the front both for clanner-scum to suck off and to let the enemy know they're gonna be fucked hard when they see it
>>98178830How the fuck this idiot got to the very top?
>>98177412looking around, buying some heavy lrm carriers and their technical data to bring back to jam clan lrm launchers into it, bang a catgirl or 2, shoot Ilsa Centrella-Liao in the face, visit their museums and arcades etc...
>>98178874She literally got the job because by being so annoying and stupid that she gave her boss a stress heart attack.
>>98178874Fucked all the old men in the First Circuit, typical Drac female tactic for advancement.
>>98178170could be goliath scorpions or the spheroid clans waste the homeworld ones.wolves are a creator's petjags and falcons are barely clansghost bear would piss people offsea fox wouldn't make any sensehell's horses potentiallysnow ravens aren't likely because writer's petGoliath scorpions potentially because of their strict zellbringen adherencehome clans potentially because they raid the scorps and might branch out to poke the inner sphere and get curb stomped as a resultwild card: the survivors of clan wolverine get found and get wiped or they wipe the others
>>98178830>obvious tranny
>>98178450could also be that the bloodlineage was claimed by another clan or this specific clanner was a bondsman.
>>98178895>the survivors of clan wolverine get found and get wiped or they wipe the othersThis would be the easiest to pull off without annoying anyone.
>>98178871Okay so the distracting quirk.
should new weapons and tech be added, for example a clan version of the light ppc that has the range of the standard ppc but the damage and heat of a standard large laser while still weighing 3tons with the crit space either remaining at 2 or reduced to 1. a clan version of the light gauss rifle where the damage is 10 but has increased range and reduced weight would also be acceptable
>>98178926Honestly, I'm tired of 25 years of sidegrade city. If they want to advance, it should be to a full new tech level, while old ones become primitive level rarity. It's the only way to clean things up.
>>98178944would triple strength heat sinks count as new tech level stuff? could have the prototypes take up as much space as IS double heatsinks while only weighing 1.5t
>>98178926I'd much rather have good clan plasma weapons.
>>98178953We already have Radical Heat Sinks.
>>98178953Needs to be full broken OG clan level advancement IMO. BAR 11, Swiss-army mode lasers, no-heat TSM standard, base 30 engine sinks, I mean the entire full retard to move things up.
>>98178868There is no need to reset the technology curve. If your intention is to make a classification of weapons to obsolete all other weapons it is not functionally different from making all the weapons have the same profile and the most interesting point in time for the technology (the adoption period where the advantage of the new tech must be contended with in asymmetrical combat) cannot be utilized.There is no "bad" technology in Battletech. If you want to grind off all the interesting edges and characteristics of centuries of mech combat, just take pilot customs, omnis and mixtech hotrods with some Society and Blakist hangar-queens mixed in and play at like 20k BV or some shit. Nothing about the current tech bases is stopping you from doing so, or even insisting that this is how combat will be in the in-universe year of 3250 or 3500.Introducing a competing 3SL standard however does fuck up any further design decisions and chassis development.Lets consider "3SL Armor" like >>98178617 mentioned. BAR 11. Short of a massive timeskip that'll exist concurrently with BAR 10, how shall we calculate BV for that? How will it compare to Hardened Armor or FL? Won't we have just made another experimental option to shove in an XTRO and shove under all our other era books?
>>98178868>emember, the context for this decision was a hundred year time skip - all the older generation mechs are in museums/the ground by now.Do you remember which franchise you are talking about?There are Mechs that are SEVERAL hundred years old!
>>98179008Standard expected service life for a Battlemech is 500 years.
This is why Alpha Strike is superior, its only danger is falling into Quirk bloat trap, everything else is just numbers adjustments. No one gives a fuck if your mech has a 29th century flim-flam ER X pulse gatling laser grenade launcher equipped, it only matters that the mech deals 4-3-2 damage at respective range bracket and can Overheat 1 for good measure. Leave pedantics behind, or drown in stupid tech tables that will just get more ridiculous over time.
>>98179028Do you ever get tired of being a dipshit?
>>98179039Do you ever get tired of being treated like a child with every timeskip?
I think the Arc-Royal Defense Cordon has a lot of potential for a campaign or vidya. Wrangling local mercenaries and militias to become a strong fighting force against the green parrots.
>>98178980>how shall we calculate BV for that?Introduce the "3rd Star League" tech level alongside B.V. 3.0. All of the Inner Sphere and Clan stuff gets updated to its final values while the starting B.V. of 3rd Star League is double the B.V. of the equivalent options of Inner Sphere or Clan stuff as applicable.If you mount an Inner Sphere or Clan weapon on it via Mixed Tech option, their Final Damage values are halved (to deal with missiles having values of 1/shot, you apply this halving at the end), but also their heat values are halved. Only the damage side applies to when Inner Sphere or Clan tech base stuff shoots at 3rd Star League armor/structure. Probably won't do this because weight doesn't go down, but you can.3rd Star League tech in turn has 2x damage and 2x Heat when used via Mixed Tech on Inner Sphere or Clan Tech Base. Only the damage doubling applies to when 3rd Star League mechs shoot at Inner Sphere/Clan tech base armor/structure. Some might take some 3rd Star League stuff on mixed tech IS/Clan mechs since weight doesn't go up.All of this is because the Standard heat sinks of 3rd Star League are in-universe Double Heat Sinks. They're just represented in its tech base the same way Singles are to reset the heat curve. This lore explanation is similarly used with Endo-Steel/Ferro-Fibrous/etc in regards to the Armor and Structure for the same reason of reseting the Damage curve.3rd Star League vs 3rd Star League stuff starts out similar to IntroTech - probably with some later additions like C3 networks and the like so its still distinct from 3rd Succession Wars - and is where new stuff gets put in.
what would the point of a timeskip even be, catalyst clearly have zero ideas for the setting and are scared of making substantial changes to the rules.
>>98178980>There is no "bad" technology in BattletechObjectively wrong. iJJ's break the game as they make jumping pulse boats, which were already annoying as fuck, impossible to deal with. The armor types are needlessly complex for very little gain. >If you want to grind off all the interesting edges and characteristics of centuries of mech combat, just take pilot customs, omnis and mixtech hotrods with some Society and Blakist hangar-queens mixed in and play at like 20k BV or some shit.Firstly, I disagree with you in that going back to an older tech level means you are grinding off the edges and making Battletech boring. The tactical depth that emerges from those simple designs is vast, and you can spend years improving at it and still not be a master. Over complicating it with bad tech pushes towards a specific meta that leaves the game less interesting. Secondly, what the hell are you even talking about? The 3rd Gen idea would simplify combat, you're proposal complicates combat. >Short of a massive timeskipWhich is part of the proposal >how shall we calculate BV for that? How will it compare to Hardened Armor or FL?You calculate it the same way you calculate normal armor, because the 3rd Gen armor replaces it. You won't compare it To Hardened or Ferro-Lamellor, because they won't exist. At best, everything before the 3rd Gen techbase it would be reclassified as primitive. >>98179008This is a dramatic change in tech while trying to maintain the timeline- some hand waving would have to be required. Saying that the tech was so much better that the old stuff got blown up would have been one of the conceits of the story.
>>98178868>and a ER medium laser does 7 points of damage to armor while generating 5 heat to be sunk.Fixed that for you.
>>98179086Wouldn't it be simpler to just make a 3SL tech base out of existing IS and Clan gear and quietly bullshit away the more obnoxious mechanics?
>>98179186That wouldn't reset the damage/heat curves, nor would it simplify down all the various sidegrades. That would only really leave us where we currently are with Mixed Tech.
What are some cool 30 tons VTOLs available by the Civil War? Looking for something like Onuris but in that time frame, expensive and heavily armed.
>>98179349>30 tons or heavier*
>>98179086>>98179107Am I having a fucking stroke; or did two people fail to read my posts in polar opposite fashions and somehow come to the same immensely stupid conclusions?Like was I fucking unclear somewhere? Establishing a third techbase is doing exactly what it sounds like; what you're actually proposing is gutting the rules under the guise of an update. If you make it so there is just one kind of weapon type and it's the only type of weapon, it's the same as making all weapons Clan or rolling them all into single statlines.It fixes none of the issues either of you claim that it addresses and grossly over-complicates future designs.I've entertained this longer than I should have.
>>98179406It would actually be a fourth tech base.
You're all retarded, forever 3025 is the answer to every Battletech problem.
If you want to re-balance the entire game, just re-write the entire ruleset, there's enough shit that could use a touch up it would be worth doing anyway. Obviously people would riot and also CGL would fuck it up completely though.
>>98179418I like the First Succession War. Absolute total war, getting to fight through the destruction of civilization.
>>98179418Can we make SHS not take up crits? The ammo bombs in my Crusader don't go off consistently enough.
>>98179424>CGL would fuck it upthey ARE fucking it up.
>>98179328Hyah! What do you think you're doing!? Get in here little doogie! You know you shouldn't be out there in the wild!
>>98179418Vgh...zased
>>98179503He's been out there so long he doesn't even know what the best light mech is.
>>98179418True, but it does kind of suck that you can't interact with a progressing story in the lore.
Assuming a series of events where the helm core is never recovered, and the outbound light didn't stumble into clanspace, what would have happened? Would ComStar League be prepared for a delayed clan invasion?
>>98179525No, because they'd be balls deep in the 5th Succession War or suffering in its aftermath.
>>98179427>I love /myguys/! All their 'mechs have named pilots! All my pilots named their 'mechs!>get nuked on their first engagement
>>98179523I don't mind because the progressing story sucks
>>98179564Why would they get nuked? You'd be running a campaign so you could easily have them not get nuked.
>>98179564>Not just having faceless dudes who are part of a wider unitYou gotta earn a name.
>>98179418You're correct, but FASA lacked the foresight when they intro'd Clantech as better than SLtech from Helm Core. If they'd had it, they could have established that what gave Clantech its edge was a specific material or mineral only existing in the Clan homeworlds, and only then scantily, making the handful of world possessing it great prizes between the Clans and vied for constantly. Fast forward to the IS invasion, Tukayyid truce, then Bulldog, where this dire piece of logistics is discovered. Badabing badaboom, backpack nukes later and suddenly Clantech becomes subject to diminishing returns, as no more magic mineral means downgrades to repair damaged units. Clantech becomes rare instead of commonplace, the top of the line stuff for everyone is as far as what Helm provided, you get a roughly 3065 IS tech level parity. Regression back, not progression from. Then you have a balanced game.
Rolled 6, 1, 6, 5 = 18 (4d6)>>98179586I miss rolling up pilots. It was always fun.
>>98179627Dang. That would have been a solid 3/4 pilot.
>>98179564Vgh...zased
Rolled 1, 2, 4, 4 = 11 (4d6)>>98179627I'll give it a go, give me a nice HBK pilot.
Rolled 5, 2, 3, 4 = 14 (4d6)>>98179627
>>98179641>4/6The perfect Hunchback pilot, disposable in every way. Blake provides.
The Sixth of June would be 6/7.
Rolled 3, 5, 6, 4 = 18 (4d6)>>98179627Let's see
>>98179641HBK getting piloted? Certainly not by Kevin Nash back in the summer of 92 in a dark back alley.
Rolled 5, 5, 5, 1 = 16 (4d6)>>98179627For the Dragon
Rolled 1, 3, 6, 1 = 11 (4d6)>>98179627For the Chancellor!
>>98179670>>98179696Pottery
How much are you guys willing to pay per mini?
>>98179890For old rare stuff? $7.50 apiece. For modern plastic? $5 apiece unpainted or $3 painted. For prints? $30 a liter and $7 a model stl but I have to want multiples. For super rare holes in the collection? $15 apiece. Just got a load of old Mekton stuff today, complete and never painted for $13 apiece.
>>98179890About $7
>>98179890about $0.25 to $1 per mini depending on size.
>>98179940>I never pay for STL's>okay.hpg
>>98179944Not never, but very close to it.
>>98179945I also get a ton free, and I can model myself, but I'd say I pay for like 1/8, especially for the more modern DA+ stuff.
>>981798906-7 dollars.
>>98179948I want to pay for more, but the prices are just outrageous, I recently did buy a few that were $2 each which was a very satisfying price. Inferior sculpts for the same type of miniature were ranging from $10-$20 each, all of which were over-stylized into a narrow thematic niche, or over-detailed to the point of fragility or printing issues, where the $2 sculpts were clearly designed by someone who understood the realities of both printing and painting his creations.It stood out because it is so rare to find someone whose digital sculpts show that understanding and I don't think I've ever before found that with a satisfying price.
>>98179974>someone who understood the realities of both printing and painting his creations.This is something I used to have to argue a lot with the digital artists when I did some work for IWM/CGL. They don't understand scale and cartoonification a bunch of the time. Now that they've kinda figure out that part, the art made from the minis looks too cartoony. Ehhh...
>>98174873You mean Manei Domini or actual gorillas with machine dicks?
>>98179890The least I've ever paid was $0.03, most for a BT mini was $80, but the most ever was somewhere north of $200 for a biiiiiig fantasy monster.
>>98177363>The blakist madness was 100% on Focht's handsHow is it his fault that half of the retards at Comstar forgot that they're JUST A PHONE COMPANY?
Rolled 2, 2, 2, 6 = 12 (4d6)>>98179627
Is there any chance that the pilot survives if this shit's RT takes a crit?
>>98180241It's CASEd, you'll be down to the Plasma Rifle though. Just run the King Crab 010 instead, it's less of a deathtrap and dual gauss is about as good as dual RAC.
>>98180241Not impossible. If you take one crit, destroys the right torso, and doesn't generate a second crit, you'll survive with two pilot hits. I wouldn't like my chances, but definitely survivable.
>>98178944They should just wipe the entire setting and reboot it with better and more balanced mechanics and without retarded fluff.
>>98179890Nothing. I'm not willing to pay any money for minis whatever as long as the money is going to CGL. Fuck that company and fuck everybody who has ever worked for them or kept them financially afloat. I'd rather see BT dead than in their disgusting mormon hands another 10 seconds.
>>98179627so a pilot skill of 1 is good?
>>98180303I'm in the same boat, sadly.
>>98178768TLDR, kys.
>>98178596>Friendly reminder, the Republic may yet endure in some form as of 3250, as this same loremaster is in contact with an Exarch.Don't fucking edge me like that, anon!
I was only able to get one base of Elementals, but I play several different Clan forces. Is there a good “Clan-neutral” color scheme I could use so that the same Elementals can work with multiple Clans?
>>98174363Benign question but what are the required download list of steam only mord that makes MW5 mercs actually playable.
>>98180326>>98180303I wish we could go back in time and kill everyone who gave money to Fanpro and onward. Every single fan, artist, writer, demo agent. Everyone.
>>98179670>>98179696>Combine rolls a 2/5 veteran sniper who can decapitate Davions from range>Liao rolls a 4/7 greenhorn who can at least hit someone from ambush but the moment he moves its like he slips on a banana peel and can't get back up up
>>98179890Depending on the mini and how desperately I need it to round out a unit, I'll go as high as $11. Hasn't happened yet, though, I'm still in more need of entire forcepacks, not individual models.
>>98180357Basic grey
>>98179890I paid IWM prices quite a few timesSo like 16-18€?
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>>98180798I looked up the new prices and the mobile HQ with 21.95 USD wins just barely over the two DI Schmitt I bought for 21.25 USD eachI also own a union and while it is almost 50€ it was a gift
>>98180357Paint them however you want and don't worry about it. Basically every unit in the setting has (or environment specific camouflage) at the end of the color scheme description.
>>98178338>Myndo Waterly was a moron, her doing a Jihad in 3052 would have been a hilarious failure.Isn't that what happened anyway in Clan-occupied worlds, where the few ComGuard units who aligned with Waterly for this stunt challenged the Clan Occupation Clusters stationed there, only to be beaten?
>>98179999>when I did some work for IWM/CGLLolSure buddy.
>>98180357Snow camo.
>>98177234If the Davions (Anglos) represent all that is noble about Western character and civilization, then the Steiners (Germans) embody all that is reprehensible, including decadence, materialism, hubris, inflexibility, nepotism, greed, scheming and degeneracy
Hi is this correct?>To do Death from Above, the attacker must have # of jump jets equal or greater to elevation of target. ie, if the attacker is on Level 0 and the target is standing next to them on Level 3, the target's head would be at elevation 5. Thus, DFA on the target requires a minimum of 5 jump jets.Just asking because the 2nd Ed manual says "three elevation levels above" which seems a bit confusing
>>98178874It's worth pointing out everyone else in ComStar at the time was fucking idiotic as well. Like, Wavelry was an autistic cunt literally incapable of reading a room. But her boss thought it was a good idea to host the Hanse and Melissa wedding directly over the top of their secret lostech Battlemech training and maintenance facility, not even tell said Mechwarriors to stop training for a bit whilst the wedding is going on, after they invite literally all of the main characters in the setting.Then when one of their guards mysteriously dies and is found with his neck broken one morning, he essentially acts like one of the world leaders from the Hank Scorpio Simpsons episode about it.I feel like I had complete ownership over the planet earth in it's entirety, I would not hold a wedding in a spot which also contained my shifty secrets. I would simply choose one of many tropical island resorts on this planet which are nowhere near them for the scene of the wedding instead. Toyama is rotating in his grave at this idiocy so fast that you could plug a dynamo to him and generate enough power to light up the east coast.
Do you play with Design Quirks or are you no fun allowed?
>>98181334THIS IS /BTG/. no fun allowed is in full effect with the beemer fags from the of and the cgl social manager wannabes flooding it.
>>98179627If I could be guaranteed to give it the attention it deserves I would do another match.
>>98181334Technically yes, but because they aren't on most record sheets because CGL sucks shit we usually forget most of them.
>>98181346God damn CGL and forum faggots should fuck off to reddit.
>>98180307I'm guessing you're new to Battletech, but yes, a pilot skill of 1 is very good. Have a pilot skill 1 is the stuff of legendary protagonists. When you're doing a Pilot skill check, you add whatever modifiers are relevant to your pilot skill and that's the number you have to roll above to avoid falling over, landing a melee attack, etc.Example) You take 20 damage in a single round. That's a PSR at +1. Pretty standard check. If you've got a standard Mechwarrior with a piloting skill of 5, that means you need to roll a 6 or higher on 2d6. The odds are in your favor, but rolling a 5 or less isn't that out there. Now imagine your Mechwarrior has a piloting skill of 1 in the same scenario. You need to roll a 2 or higher on 2d6. It's a guaranteed pass. Lower stats can make a big difference, but also cost quite a bit more Battle Value.>>98181406Do you mean that you personally don't have the time for it or that you'd want enough support from /btg anons? Cause those were always wildly popular. I'm sure you'd have no problem getting enough volunteers for rolling up pilots and mechs.I did one of those myself a while back, though not with MegaMek. I enjoyed it and got positive feedback from those that participated. it did take a while though, so I don't think I'd want to go above an 8v8 again. I'd also want some sort of interesting story to accompany it. The 3049 Battle of Timbiqui provided an adequate story for the battle. Otherwise, I wouldn't be opposed to doing another one.Lately I've been working on 3d terrain. It makes the battlefield look nicer, but man, it's even less interesting than painting mechs.
Rolled 3, 3, 4, 5 = 15 (4d6)>>98179627For the moneyyyyy!
>>98181222>If the Davions (Anglos)Davions are Normans thoughbiet.
My favorite tank, the Hootlypootly.
>>98182049Yeah it would be cool with an actual story behind it
>>98181334I prefer not to because most of the design faults are not balanced at all to the buffs and they didn't even bother slapping a BV cost on a global +2 to initiative. They do all this insane nitty gritty shit to force you to calculate the cost of C3 in your force or individual tons of fucking semiguided missile ammo that modifies the cost per unit with tag but +2I? Nah its free.And then they just randomly slap on either useless or annoying downsides to some mechs for no reason. Like, oh wow +4cooling and the downside is my pilot is....more likely to be injured? But injuries aren't part of the game? Terrible rules design. Then you get mechs that are already penalized for having no arm actuators and they slap on another +4 mod to getting up like the game doesn't already have rules for that. Jfc whoever wrote those rules never played battletech.
>>98182049>Do you mean that you personally don't have the time for itThat. Basically I would want to have time to put effort into it to deliver something entertaining for anons but I unfortunately can't commit at the moment.
Just bought my first box of Battletech - A Game of Armoured CombatAre these 2 lances relatively balanced before I start painting them in different colours?LocustWolverineCatapultAwesomeCommandoShadow HawkThunderboltBattlemaster
>>98182494The first has better chassis overall, but you can get both within the same BV range. Feel free to have them all in the same or different color schemes though, it's not as if there's any regulations to mercenary group paint schemes.
>>98182494Yeah, though one could make a case for splitting up the pairs of Catapult/Awesome and Thunderbolt/Battlemaster.The Catapult and Awesome are both long range mechs while the Thunderbolt and Battlemaster both tend to be brawlers. So it might make the 2 lances more evenly matched if you split up those pairings.The other thing to consider would be if you're planning to make these lances faction specific or not. If you are, then a little more consideration should be given to them for lore purposes. If you just want them to be 2 merc lances however, then you can ignore that aspect of it.
>>98182494I would switch the Battlemaster and the Awesome. Both to split up the snipers and the brawlers, as >>98182535 suggested, but also because the Wolverine and Awesome are some of the best balanced mechs in the game, so putting them on opposite teams feels right to me. You also get a better spread of SRM's that way.
>>98182522Thanks, I want to paint them matching schemes just for myself first.>>98182535>>98182629Consider the Battlemaster and Awesome swapped.I was going to paint them in whatever scheme I fancied, I was under the impression that all of these mechs are used by all Inner Sphere factions anyway?
>>98182706They're all IS, but the IS fights each other more than they fight the Clans. Just pick a scheme you like and bullshit it later.
>>98182706They are, although they also are more closely aligned with certain factions, like the Awesome is only made by the FWL and Catapults are mostly found in DC and CC space. But they're all old designs that used to be more widespread so an "off faction" example could be salvaged or even leftover from a star league posting.
>>98182176I understand the medium pulse laser turret (what if locust), but what is the autocannon for.
Anons, I've had it in the back of my mind for a while now about getting an appropriate amount of mechs for each of the 5 great houses. I've got the list of what I already have and the list of what I'm considering to fill them out properly. The aim is to keep appropriate weight ratios and stick to mainly faction appropriate mechs. Pic is what I've got as my list for remaining mechs needed. As I've been thinking about it and looking around at stuff for sale, I of course stumbled across the more recent faction lance packs for House Davion and Kurita.First off, are these faction packs accurate? If they are, I suppose it would make things simpler for me than hunting down individual mechs. As for the mechs I know though, I'll be honest, my mech attachment has primarily come from getting to use them and fight against them in the videogames.So for Kurita, Avatar, Chimera, Venom, Akuma, Shiro, Rokurokubi, and Grand Dragon don't really mean anything to me. Only the Panther does.The for Davion, it's Templar, Falconer, Thanatos, Legionnaire, Hellspawn, and Gunsmith which I don't really know about. Thunderbolt is cool, but the Enforcer I already have 2 of for the Davion force. Not sure I need a 3rd of any given mech for the factions.I guess I'm asking for you to sell me on the mechs or give me a buyer beware on them.
Phelan Kell is a freeborn bastard who has no claim to the Ward name. No claim at all
>>98182817>what if locustIs the locust in the rear arc with us right now?
>>98182858>t.
>>98178170The excessively boring and predictable thing would be Hell's Horses because they're the last hold out of IS clans operating a traditional occupation zone, and having the 3rd star league annihilate them would be the eye rollingly predictable mirror of the 2nd star league annihilating the Smoke Jaguars. It would also leave behind no ideological opposition to the hybrid states which CGL seem to love for some reason.
>>98182948I actually think Ravens have a good chance of being it, right now they've caused a big PR nightmare for the clan league by destroying a major population center and they've got the implied cNPPC of Damocles over Alaric's head and he couldn't actually do much about it if they decided to use it. Scapegoating and then Bulldogging them solves a lot of his problems and invites other nations to join the new star league for some traditional periphery stomping action.
*refuses*
>>98178170Smoke Jaguars again
>>98180295Should do an AU with a Cold War gone hot scenario where battlemechs started as a half-finished German wunderwaffeI’m not Nazi-anon I just like Cold War alt history
>>98183307That is literally just Ring of Red where the mechs were tail end of WW2 German weapons with little impact during that conflict but a lot of impact in the cold war. Namely in a quickly warming up "incident" between North and South Japan in the late 50s or early 60s.
>>98182611Reminder that this is a canon color scheme and if you think otherwise you don’t belong in battletech
>>98182948I wouldn't mind the hybrid states if they were even thr slightest bit different. The only difference between the Scorpion Empire, Raven Alliance, and Rasalhague Dominion is that the Scorpion Empire pretends slightly less that normies have real political power.
>>98183376The Scorpions are actually the most successful at integrating non-clan populations by making more flexible castes specifically to run actual government services rather than just having a warrior scream orders are merchants with a gun in his hand. The other states are much more segregated because they're scared they'll be diluted into oblivion.
>>98183340And just like that, people came to realize that the clanners were the good guys all along. The trannies are also why I haven't done a blue/pink color scheme for any of my mechs. They've ruined it.
>>98182842The faction packs suit their factions fine. One possible issue is era. Your list is entirely 3025 stuff. Most mechs you get from those packs are from later eras. That may or may not matter to you. I'm working on something similar but I just buy a pack for whatever mech(s) I want and find an appropriate home for what's left based on availability and what each unit needs.
>>98183458Did you miss the clanners are pro-woke because they disestablished the family, believe in gender equality and dont care who you have sex with (unless you commit the terrible sin of having children).
>>98183492Who is fighting the trannies in that pic? Case closed.
>>98183492Clanners are soulless flesh golems they aren't even people.
>>98182842>>98183491For the Kurita mechs, the Akuma and Avatar are solid clan invasion Kurita designs. The Akuma is a little bit of everything assault similar to the Atlas, and the Avatar is one of the first IS omnis in plastic with plenty of configurations. The Chimera is a civil war era mech available to the Combine and FedCom. The Venom is a better Spider, Grand Dragon is a better Dragon, both available in 3050. The Panther is a Panther. Shiro and Rokurokubi are both ilclan designs I'm not familiar with. The Shiro sounds like a brick with its hardened armor but anemic firepower for that era. The Rokurokubi is fast I guess. At least they look cool.
>>98180357Tiger stripe camouflage
>>98179625>Magical MineralLiteral brain dead retarded shit same with the whole technology reset. Just stick to 3025 in your corner, no one wants to talk with you.
>>98181270Pls RespondHow copy over
>>98183913Wasn't this the Clan Wolf thing?
Holy Kerensky how the hell is the Jade Phoenix A so cheap BVwise for what it does
>>98184132Blame Herb.
>>98184132Pulse lasers and UACs are both very cheap relative to their capability.
>>98184144I wonder how the BV is going to change with Core Rules? They said that Clan pulses in particular were getting a hit but UACs no longer jam now?
I think I'm going to make a model of this.
>>98184476What the hell is this
>>98184480Mamono, a 70 ton 3090s DCMS IFV
why does Drac always get the cool shiti resent them
>>98184518What's wrong with that? You get to murder Kuritans and steal their cool equipment at the same time. It's like Blakists or Clanners, the extra loot pushes jobs against them over Periphery work.
>>98182049>you're new to Battletechvery, thanks for the breakdown btw, it helped understand it
>>98184518They actually have a bunch of cool vehicles
>>98184518They've got the Panther and... ummmm, that's it really on the exclusive cool front for them.
What fun and exciting stompy robot opportunities open up for you when you make the jump from 3025 to 3028? What are the highlights of what becomes available?
