Archives & Other Resources: https://rentry.co/cyoagAllsync: https://cyoa.allsync.com/s/owWor64yLTngDk3Previous thread: >>98198274
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Ok so the contest is on!Deadline July 14thTheme is "Death and Immortality"Go wild anons and don't feel bad if you lose to me
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Elden Ring CYOA opinion poll:Should I stick to in game and related assets only (A), be willing to bend the rules for on theme assets (B), or radical verisimiltudinal anarchy and just use whatever I like/feel conveys the correct mind image (C).I'm feeling that B is a good middle ground, but C would save me image lookup time. If the thread demands I play dress up in elden ring or find the demented people who actually like doing that, then A is there too.
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>>98203396C because radical versimiltudinal anarchy is a funny phrase
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>>98203396From the examples you gave A looks hideous so I'd recommend C or a form of B that does not include any A assets. I personally like C the most though, Chaika is cute.
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>>98203396B is good, it fits and it expresses the characterC is decent, It expresses the charactr but not the worldA is bad. Something this bland is little better then a physical descriptionB>>C>>>>>>A
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>>98203396I want to say A bit this image is pretty bad.I think ingame photos for places, boss's and items is a solid choice.Maybe if the ingame screenshots of the character was them doing an emote in a location and not just a front shots of them standing still?IdkIf you go with C I would urge you not to use art of established or well K own characters. Just because it pulls me out of the immersion. A greedy and self centred request to be sure. But is what it is.
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>>98203314So it begins...
>>98203396I like A, but it doesn't really matter to me - I'm mostly posting this because everyone is ragging on it and I think it's a good option. I figure in a CYOA based on an existing game you might as well use the existing assets for consistency and ease of recognition. As a silver lining it might help you reacquaint yourself with certain parts of the lore in playing. A, B, or C will be perfectly fine. I don't know about the majority here but I only care about CYOA images in roughly 1% of cases where they are particularly well chosen. I'm not a stickler for the ACI - still, a high score is often correlated with a good piece of OC
>>98203396B > A > Darth Icky > C
>>98203411>>98203420>>98203424>>98203447>>98203480>>98203556Alright, since there's no overwhelming consensus, I'll just used my best judgement on a case by case basis, though I'll be mainly sticking to B, then A, and only going to C in emergencies.Thank you for your attention in this matter.
>>98203396B pretty please
>>98203396B is going to win and isn't the worst compromise, but I am going to throw in a pity vote for A anyway on the basis that in an ideal world the Elden Ring CYOA would be illustrated just like Elden Ring instead of needing to compromise with a fan artist's style.
>>98203396B, the weirdly low contrast yet high vibrancy of A is unpleasant to look at. When it's not being animated.C is simply irrelevant. After all, if an choice is not in the games to the point that you can't find an example. Then why should it be included?
>>98203396B but with no anime faces, semi-realistic only. That's what I'm doing with Ranni's cyoa.
>>98203396I'm not going to play this cyoa regardless but if this general votes for C it proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that you're all talentless tasteless brainless prancing lala homofaggots
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Does anyone have the original, with the princess?
>>98203874I never finished my build for this since it started feeling too much like a chore.
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>>98203914I just skipped the mission assignment parts. Too much effort.
>>98203911https://imgchest.com/p/ljyqkxagky2Fun fact the only images saved on the 4plebs archive with the filename scheming princess are that cyoa. I would have thought that at least one other image would have been posted with that filename, but nope.https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/filename/scheming%20princess/
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>>98203911Thanks for posting this. I completely forgot about this CYOA.
>>98203950Fascinating look into the history of cyoag
Is it better to have a powerful wife/knowledgeable husband combo or vice versa
>>98204015Knowledgeable wife, powerful husband
>>98204015Better to be independent.
>>98203911>The KingdomThe Highlands>DisorderSadism>TraitsStoic, Quick Mind, Big >SkillsHistory, Unarmed Combat>JobGeneral
>>98204079No it isn't.
>>98203453>>98203398Prometheus and Figure in the Mirror are the most OP abilities. You can unlock every spell in existence with these two and a couple of supporting rites.
cyoa for this feel?
>>98204149Apathetic boredom? Some random shitty one-pager waifupicker/pillslop.
I love waifus
>>98204129>Prometheus and Figure in the Mirror are the most OP abilities. You can unlock every spell in existence with these two and a couple of supporting rites.How are you planning to do that? (You) have to trade a spell to Prometheus to get one, so at best it lets (you) adapt (your) spell arsenal to new challenges.Figure in the Mirror just creates a new personality/mind, which - at best - knows everything (you) know. And both spells require flashy human sacrifices, which are likely to get (you) noticed by hostiles.
I haven't checked /cyoag/ for two years. I return to a new thread... And it's mostly just reposts of 3_tankista stuff from 5 years ago.Have there been no good CYOAs made since then ?
>>98203911I didn't even know someone made a male version of the princess one.
>>98204435Honestly, no.
>>98204475ambrosia semen is always the correct choice btw
>>98204435Entropist
>>98204435Radiant
>>98203282Quiet home girl is the master race
Rolled 3, 4 = 7 (2d6)>>98203282I'll combine these and hope I don't get a butterfly
>>98204647Congrats, you got the butterfly. Enjoy the cheating slut that is probably more successful than you.
>>98204647Serves you right for greedily sartreing
>>98203282Butterfly for me.
need cyoas with knightess waifus
>>98204713entropist
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>>98204713spirit conscript
>>98204249With mental integration (a second sin usurpation spell)>You Start in Australia because there you will be protected from anyone trying to stop you.>You can then go some outback town and capture a dozen people.>You will then cast Figure in the mirror to create a blank personality free mind with all your knowlage. >Trade away all your spells for others with prometheus>And then cast mental integration to merge your mind with the blank slate to get all your old spells back >repeat until you have every blood and convent spell in existence.>Steal the "dejs vu" effect from the girl stuck in australia with me from the sweet dreams mission.>Use the loop to ascend to godhood as the first sinner>Use organic order to try and stay sane as the first sinner.>Go to an empty plane of existence>Create 50 Million copies of yourself by using Timestep >Destroy the convention and take over the omiverseIm probably gonna go mad from this process from knowing too many void spells but fuck it.
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>>98204820I wish we got some more info on the wider setting.
>>98204885It's really disgusting how much the assignments and side-quests try to force you to bring things back to the status quo.
>>98204885The last and his deathseeds are still entropist fodder.
>>98204967Yes, thats what stopping villains tends to mean
>>98204977He steals powers from this setting's equivalent of Sons. Entropists are his fodder.
>>98204977wrong way round, he keeps sons in his (possibly literal) rape dungeon
>>98204779You can pretty much do the same thing with only one spell by just using perfect simulation and casting even more perfect simulations within your perfect simulation. Then just manually learn all the other spells. You pretty much have infinite time.Its a much better idea than trying to fuck around with demons.
https://poal.me/u9e1gmhttps://poal.me/78cg4lThat's right that's my brother at the top of the first one the best Ultimate God in the universe!
>>98204435Dungeon delver was good, Tankista has done alot of stuffBeri posted a pokemon cyoa, it was good,Pokemon world [Beri]{7 pages}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/97900777/Thu 16 Apr 2026 23:57:09danmachi was updated and the rat didn't make a build, Danmachi[53413760]{6 pages}{Update}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/97596573/#97599706Sun 22 Feb 2026 15:19:38Scottish anon posted a new oc about a low-fantasy hikeThe Trail [Scottish Anon]{3 pages}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/97475036/#97477770Sat 31 Jan 2026 20:12:12Hyenanon made a starwars franchise thingStar Wars Warlord: Coven's Nightmare [Hyenanon]{4 pages}https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/97967622/#97972194Thu 30 Apr 2026 21:32:04There have been polls that list all of the new oc since the start of the year, so You may check them if you want a summaryPolls:Jan- https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/97496786/#97498256Febuary poll:https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/97655023/#97655178March poll: https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/97891788/#97895064April-https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/97992388/#97992477May- https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98148835/#98150019
I was outside for some time, but >>98167804 , the week is over, is there a fairy oc?
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>>98205324The anon found their voice.
>>98205324>Only Mind Gods and Dark Sovereign got someone else to vote for them The strongest...Or the only ones with charisma
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>>98205557Softie...
>>98205384NTA but dang, I was kind of looking forward to that one. I felt proud of coming up with the name Éclair
>>98204519>>98204820>RadiantWould be a good CYOA if the Oaths weren't so mean spirited, punishing, and self-righteous. They're not what I'd picture at all for a good guy CYOA. It's better to work with /cyoag/ anons and help them stay on the path of good, rather then work against them by wrangling them with heavy iron chains.
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>>98205598new authors can't even finish they cyoas
I really like the "radiant is mean-spirited" shitposts
Surely if you have a problem with an oath you could just not take that oath
https://imgchest.com/p/9p4nwpnr54nhttps://pastebin.com/6sTRC1GhLight of Hope https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98131206/#98132885Myriad Self As One Immutable Dao Heart https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98131206/#98132442Butcher of Argus https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98131206/#98132619Alrahvartin: Mad God of Time https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98157881/#98162150Voidsoul https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98131206/#98132981The Wall https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98148835/#98149080Bhuni https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98131206/#98133416Drang, He of Inevitability https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98131206/#98133485Void Prince https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98168707/#98173360Wyrdsmith https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98179720/#98181547Shub-Ishni-Gol https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98131206/#98135772Ell-Est-Douaan, He Who Sees https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98148835/#98153883Pathfinder https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98131206/#98136417The Crafters https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98143559/#98143587The Golden Overlord https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98137719/#98139810Dark Flame Master https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98137719/#98142501Ardkorus, The Heart of The World https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98148835/#98153978The Merciful Being https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98148835/#98154946Amika, the Golden Chain that Binds the Ephemeral in Stasis https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98162912/#98165626The Datu of Dimensions https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98162912/#98167716The Great Sovereign https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98198274/#98199229Shahar - Dawn Bringer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98168707/#98173261Persea Rhodes https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98173625/#98176659Shell, the Least https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98184982/#98189218Ereban - The Red https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98184982/#98189478
>>98205694El - The Sound of Life https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98184982/#98189613https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98184982/#98190991Eruin, the Wandering Creator https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98192303/#98194484Red God & Grey God https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98192303/#98197034The Doldrums https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98198274/#98198735https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98198274/#98199628
>>98205683The CYOA is balanced around having a very large point pool from the Oaths.
>>98205722Okay? So dont take the oaths you have a problem with?
>>98205629Radiant only makes sense when you understand the the author doesn't see oaths as a particularly big deal, and you are intended to view them as lenient principles instead of hard rulesThis disrupts alot of the target audience of a paladin cyoa, who would die before turning back on their word (Or their ideal self would)(And this also makes the cyoa comically easy but that doesn't really matter)
>>98205629>the Oaths weren't so mean spirited, punishing, and self-righteous.
>>98205741>and you are intended to view them as lenient principles instead of hard rulesmaybe the CYOA should say that thentrying to wiggle out of the wording of the oaths doesn't seem like it would work
>>98205629you probably aren't fit to be a paladin desu
>>98205781Yes, that's the issueThat honor enjoyers wouldn't try to wiggle the wording but the author expected you to do so
>>98205837you certainly aren't meant to try to rules lawyer the oaths. The point is that you're meant to give them your best shot.
>>98205885You are supposed to interpret that "Always be working to actively do good" has provisions to allow you to fuck whores instead of helping the planet
>>98205379>>98205598Ersatzanon here. I'm back from the 7 days vacation from 4chan.When I went on the vacation, A Fairy Evaluates Your Cooking felt 70% complete. I worked on it a lot while away, and now it's 50% complete since the scope kept expanding. Visuals, companions, a 400 word "You decline" ending.I'll fiddle with it a few more days, and then I'll try to complete it in 24 hours, and if I fail I'll take another 7 days vacation.>>98205647My first cyoa on cyoag was in 2019 IIRC.
>>98205892Yeah, in the sense that you don't have to spend 24 hours a day, 364 days a year working.
>>98205916cont: Basically treat it like a job. You aren't working all the time but you can't just decide 'nah I don't feel like it today'.
>>98203270Elden Ring Devlog 6-14-2026Have not made the progress I'd hoped, Limgrave is not finished, only 2/8 areas made and the boss has been made for weeks, so if I can do one or two areas per day, it will be done by the end of the week. Upside is that the two most complicated ones were first, since they are there to teach the player A) about companions and allies, and B) that there are non-linear quests. Just saying that I needed to get X page done by the end of the week was too macro of a task to get behind, so I am measuring progress in areas - which as micro tasks I can sit down and get it done in an hour. Since /CYOAG/ seems fine with me pulling appropriate non-game images for character and such, that frees me to go for some more esoteric options for my pictures, which will be useful later on.
>>98205916Yes, the author thinks that "Always" means "Alot of the time"He's just not a very serious sort
>>98205922Hmmm Very nice
I've realized that 6 proper pages is the minimum for a satisfying build. Any less than that and the CYOA doesn't go from fleeting whim into actual fantasy that stays with you.
>>98205909yay you are back i was about to ask
>>98205916>>98205919Is a paladin ever not working? I thought it's a lifestyle rather than just a job.
>>98205922Brother dont ever go for C type images or i will hunt you down. B > A always. Oher than that, your cyoa will probably force me to stay away from cyoag while figuring out how to save ranni lmao.Keep it up.
>>98205814>you probably aren't fit to be a paladin desuI'm actually one of the best Paladin's of this universe. No one knows evil better than I do. The less you know about evil, the more complacent you become towards it. Pure souls that are too empathetic ironically make for the worst Paladins, they get completely crushed under the overwhelming weight of evil, they never experienced it before, they don't know how to process it. But if you don't have enough empathy you become evil. Therefore BALANCE must be struck.
>>98205722The starting points already make you very powerful, and there is a very large number of oaths to pick from if you want more power. The only time you would be taking the oaths you dont like is when going for the dawn wish.
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>>98205945>figuring out how to save ranni lmao.Not possible, literally, Ranni in frenzied fag's cyoa was betrayed by her own consort, she will never accept a new one
>>98205950No you're fucking notPurity is orthogonal to ignorance, Pigs and sheep cannot be pureYou, in allowing yourself to drift are a lesser man for it
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>>98205939Taking it hyper literally (which is where the issues arise)? Yes. A paladin isnt working when they asleep for example. Taken to the most braindead extreme something like "you must always be trying to do good" would require you to be in constant motion, maximising good however possible with each action.>You stepped sideways to avoid a puddle? That wasnt doing good in the world! Fall! Eating a sandwich? Thats not doing good! Double fall!See? Thats dumb right?
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>>98205922Very, very much looking forward to this.>>98205965Dawg he already confirmed that you can save her. Besides, in that cyoa the Tarnished was a woman, so you just have to show Ranni what good dick feels like.
>>98205837>>98205781>>98205741Its not an issue for "honorable people" as much as it is an issue for people who are going to view it like a faustian bargain to exploit (generally of the less than honorable disposition). Those are however a very large portion of cyoag, since the place generally encourages extreme rules lawyering and therefore extremely strict rules
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>>98205629bro i remember how the prereq for magic forcing you into a world you don't want completely wrecked this cyoa for me in its entirety, it was so bad
>>98205972I mean more in the sense you can't stop being a priest, a cop or a doctor even when you are off duty, there's a 'level of action' that is required by the lifestyle, but that doesn't mean you need to be 'on action' all the time, or as much as you should expect from a fallible mortal.
>>98206043Well, yea.
>>98205178You cant cast perfect simulation inside of your own perfect simulation. It also sounds like you are likely to lose your mind in all that time. It is one of if not the most OP singular spell though
>>98205567I think you mean Wodanpeak
>>98206031you probably aren't fit to be a janitor of light desu
>>98205922Class image format looks good. Are you sticking with the base game starting classes or will there be anything more unique/esoteric?
>>98206061noooo I forgot pic my catposter intimation joke is ruined
>>98206061stop being an incompetent troll anon, that's the line you use for someone whining about vows, not worlds
>>98204435This one, trust me
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>>98205932Arigato, Anon-kun.>>98205945I believe in you.>>98205982>you just have to show Ranni what good dick feels like.I am glad someone understands the point of making the Frenzied Flame Tarnished a woman>>98206062Arigato Class-SanI am considering making some as quest rewards, for alternate starts if you want to go back through again. I know someone had mentioned wanting to be a Cleanrot or a Cucco knight.
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>>98205892You are supposed to interpret in good faith, rather than as a literal RAW contract in which you are supposed to find exceptions and loopholes
>>98205909From one way-too-large-in-scope fairy CYOA author to another, I wish you the best of luck
>>98206175Yes, and in good faith always means always. Resting is a part of acting, but anything that isn't actively doing good isn't actively doing goodWhat you are arguing is not that the rules have a different interpretation but that they suck unbelievable ass and therefore cannot be interpreted as writtenI agree with this statement, but I don't enjoy the idea of being a paladin with nebulous or meaningless vows
>>98206151>Cleanrot or a Cucco knight.Both quite cool. I think Perfumer would also be a fun starting class.
>>98206175It's not even bad faith, the problem is that 99% of cyoag is autistic and will genuinely interpret stuff in the most painfully literal way possible.
I went through a gigacringe furry phase in my early 20s. No one knows cringe like I do.
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>>98206229I wonder if there are people here who are religious and if they are, how they deal with all the interpretations that come with it. Things like fish on fridays and eruvs wuld make anons bust a vessel.
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>>98206201>Yes, and in good faith always means always.That is literally not what it means in good faith. When your friend tells you "yea, I always try my hardest" it does not mean he slams the door as strongly as possible whenever he closes it. >but I don't enjoy the idea of being a paladin with nebulous or meaningless vowsTheyre not meaningless, theyre simply not a fucking demon-contract you can try and rules lawyer. "sorry god, but technically I didnt break it because XYZ, so you cant fall me"
>>98202383 Since you didnt believe I go to the gym I took a pic. Sadly I didnt have a pen or anything to write on so I just spelled Wod for Wodan out of a couple of tissues.
>>98206249This nigga drinkin coke zero
>>98206242This is being written without any malice or /pol/fagging, but the way anons approach the vows in radiant is extremely jewish. Judaism has a very strong "raw" bent to it (which makes sense if youre them I guess, they think they have the infallible word of god, which means theres no loopholes/all loopholes are intentional and therefore valid, but I digress) in that religion is a thing to be "solved", you have this divine contract and you need to figure out the exact terms of how to fulfill it and the exact limitations of its scope. Anon paladins would write their own version of the talmud
>>98206255Niggas be hating on anything nowerdays
>>98206255Coke Zero >>> Regular Coke. Prove me wrong (you can't).
>>98203314Any cyoas with this theme already?
>>98206278Coke zero is piss though. >>98206281Pepsi max > regular coke > pepsi > coke zero > diet coke
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>>98206284>>98206281Coke zero tastes identical and doesnt make you obese
>>98206302Cute cat.
>>98206302This cat's drinking Dr Pepper! Grok is this real?
>>98206281Just drink water, retard.
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>>98206176>>98205909From one fairy enjoyer anon to two authors, i am on a feast.
>>98206245You are repeatedly claiming that I am trying to "Rules lawyer" whilst ignoring the heart of my arguementAre you uncomfortable with the fact that you are the person trying to bend the rules to your convenience? And slinking into a framing device that you wish was true?>When your friend tells you "yea, I always try my hardest" it does not mean he slams the door as strongly as possible whenever he closes it. Yes, because that would be retarded anon, that isn't related to either the spirit of the contract or the meaning of "Try your hardest">Theyre not meaningless, theyre simply not a fucking demon-contract you can try and rules lawyer. "sorry god, but technically I didnt break it because XYZ, so you cant fall me"Anon, you retard, it's not about the meaning to god, or the other paladins, or any other random fucker.It's Meaningless *TO ME*If I stop following the oathes where they are stupid I stop following them in every way that mattersI do not want to go on your shitty half assed adventureYou really seem confused by the idea that I have personal moral holdings about keeping my word
>>98204828Can i not pick destined death?
>>98206393>Yes, because that would be retarded anonSo "always" isnt actually "always" then? Cool. Its almost like you can use your head and see its simply a word used to convey a general sentiment, rather than a literal descriptor. >It's Meaningless *TO ME*>its not hyper-literal so its personally meaninglessYoure either autistic to a degree that warrants medication or incapable of not rules lawyering.
>>98206426You are arguing on the behalf of bending and selectively interpreting rules to ones own benefitDo you or do you not accept that this is the case?
>>98206397Yeah author said you don't have to take ithttps://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97276593/#q97277447
>>98206443Sweet.
why wouldnt you be? its just free right?
>>98206442No, I am arguing against interpreting rules in a purposefully obtuse and hyper-literal way. RAI vs RAW.
>>98206475It is free and useful but having a destined death is a bit stressing for me.
>>98206509No I mean "why wouldnt you be able to not buy it", its not like youre forced to take every power you can afford.
>>98206514I mean i assume i don't have to but maybe you are supposed to take it. Just wanted to make sure.
>>98206505>Purposefully obtuse>Hyper literalAnon you have been intentionally ignoring my points and making semantic critisisms for the past hourGod it's been an hour of this shitI have things I could be doing....
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>>98206281>>98206284Fat fuck soda aficionado coming through>SDiet/Zero Vanilla CokeDiet/Zero Mtn Dew Baja Blast + Voltage + Code Red>ADiet CokeDiet/Zero Cherry Coke + Vanilla Cherry MixDiet Dr. Pepper, Dr. Pepper ZeroDiet Pepsi, Pepsi ZeroDiet/Zero Pepsi Flavored with Vanilla and/or CherryDiet & Zero Mtn Dew>CCoke ZeroCaffeine Free Diet CokeDiet/Zero Dr. Pepper Cherry + Cream VariantsDiet Dr. ThunderPepsi MaxDiet Root Beer Brands>DReal Sugar SodaCream Soda BrandsSprites and 7-Up Brands>FAll Corn Syrup Slop SodaFruity Brands (Orange, Grape, Strawberry, etc)
>>98206558true, thin people drink coke zero
>>98206547Obligatory disclaimer:These drinks have wildly different composition in different countries/regions. Two people from different countries arguing about the taste of the drink with the same name may well be arguing about very different drinks.
>>98206563I'm more of a tea guy
I have returned with a new CYOA.This time quite wordy (but still nothing like some). Have fun. Share builds
>>98206563>Sprite>Mnt dewI am going to grind the fuck out of my stats
>>98206567I'm American of course. No way a fancy thin European would make that kind of post.
>>98206532Your point is that the good faith reading is hyper-literal because the only way you arent being autistically RAW is if you want to bend the rules via interpretation to your own benefit. It is stupid.
>>98206600No, it isn'tThat isn't even an autistically literal version of what I have saidI worry that you might not be being retarded on purpose
>>98206590Health, Power, Any ContactBecome an immortal body god.
>>98206590CognitionSoulsAny Contact
Just hit on a huge flow state working on my cyoa, This has got to be the best loking one I've made yet
>>98206590>Health>Ownership>Modifier - any contactI take charge of all AI companies and destroy AI. No need to thank me. All your money is thanks enough.
>>98206625nta but I think your point is that if you ignore the rules when they're inconvenient, they're not really rules, and that relying upon nebulous, vaguely defined intent doesn't work as a moral system.
>>98206590>SkillsI don't even need to steal it so i can just copy them. Hell trading skills might be on the table.>PowerWell i also want to be strong. I can probably trade someone gains in exchange for something they might wanna learn like playing the piano or whatever.>Any contactEasier to not break contact this way. I assume contact is broken on jumping if the ground is the contact point. I can just tie a rope to someone and that should count.
>>98206590Nowdays you are supposed to write: OC OC OC OC so that people skimming the thread to avoid arguements can see the postBuild:PowerSoulsAny contact5m is pretty far, and I don't have a time limit, so I am going to visit a prison or some other place where bastards are likely to be and take everything I canBodyswap stuff sounds fun. I can get henchmen and have them take over politiciansAnd also sex stuff
>>98206637Yes, basically, but more in the line that is isn't fun
>>98206629A fun use of the Power mishap I realized is that you can make contact to establish a transfer of all the being's power and willingly mishap it, leaving him with no juice with nothing but a slap.>>98206631Daniel J. D'Arby playstyle.>>98206636Getting stuff just to have them crash and burn is not something I had in mind. Pretty brilliant.>>98206655Keep in mind that power works on all beings. Including animals. That might be easier to get.>>98206666Thanks for the tip. I'll keep that in mind.And yes to the sex stuff.
>>98206590>PowersCognitionSouls>ModifiersAny ContactMind control and body hopping immortality. Preventing mishaps should be easy with 2 second mind control, just tell them to stay put.
>>98206636that's not enough, what about all the ai people use at home?
>>98206798Local AI is more soulful and uses no water and about the same energy as a gaming session, though
>>98206798People at home can't pretrain AI, you need huge data centers for that. And your huge data centers put you on my radar, and suddenly it was always mine.>>98206822The water cost is a bluesky meme. The real reasons are elsewhere.
>>98204820So I think what breaks anon is the interpretation of the wording of the oaths. Take Oath of doing good for example, and always moving in motion to perform good deeds.Taking it literally means they cannot do things like eat or sleep, because those are selfish and not doing good.Taking it as it was intended means it does not rule out things as eating or sleeping, because those are chores of health that has no moral bearing.Basically hard filtering autists. As they can only think in terms of the literal.
>>98206893I know, it's exaggerated everywhere. With local AI specifically, though, you can plainly say that the water cost is actually exactly zero.There are plenty of valid reasons to be anti-AI, but water use isn't really one of them (and local AI negates most of the other reasons too)
>>98206893>Can't pretrain AIYou can, though. Admittedly not with the speed, scale, or resources of the big players, but training at home is absolutely something that people can do
>*Trains AI at home*>Eureka! AI without water expense!>*Meanwhile, in a power plant some kilometers away*Exception if you're from a country with mostly solar/eolic grid (and during the day).
>>98206979A top-of-the-line computer setup with the latest and greatest Nvidia GPU is still only going to draw as much as the PC's power supply can provide, which is usually only something like 750-1000w. It's only ever going to be equivalent to running an AAA game on high settings.You could push it higher if we were talking about full server racks of non-consumer 5-figure GPUs from home, but that's a bit detached from what people would normally consider local AI
>>98206893>People at home can't pretrain AIretardo-kun please stop speaking
>>98207022For how long are we talking actually (I don't know much about local AI)? Sure if it's like 8 hours, it's pretty much the same as a intense gaming session, but if you go to sleep and let the fans whirling then it's RIP anon's power bill?
>>98206694>Keep in mind that power works on all beings. Including animals. That might be easier to get.On that case i can just go to a slaughter house and get the power of hundreds of cows that are going to get butchered anyways... The hard part would be to figure out a reliable connection.
>>98207037It depends on what you're trying to do. Leaving it on overnight or longer could be something you might do for training.Let's assume a 1000W PC power supply (higher than most, but it makes calculations easier). That's 1KW. Energy is priced by KW/h. Average energy cost in the US is 17.65¢/kWh, meaning that if you ran your computer at absolute maximum draw (unrealistic) for one hour, it would cost 17.65 cents.x24 hours, and a whole day of rigorous local training costs you $4.24.Let's do a big project, leaving it running a whole month. x30 days = $127.08. That's a big chunk of your monthly power bill, but it's probably not breaking the bank, especially if you could afford such a high-end PC to begin with. Most local users won't go that hard, but you could take that as a rough maximum for how much a non-insane single user setup could use.
>>98206590>soulseasy, bodyhopping is the same as agelessness and shapeshifting>skillssouls means health is a bit redundant, power seems alright but I don't see being superman being more useful for daily life than being batman>mod: no mishap5 meter rang is decent but this lets me be more ballsy with my payload transfers without risking losing everything.the 15 minutes for soul transfer is a pain but considering that skills can leave others unable to move in just 2 minutes I can somewhat cheese it. Also the transfer is not obvious so 2 minutes of contant is not that unrealistic
>>98207022>>98207085What does someone even need that much AI for? Surely just a basic hour a day can get more porn than someone would ever need. Seems like a waste of time when the hardware could be mining crypto instead.
>>98207129Some people want to train their own models or have more ambitious projects in mind than just generating titties. Also, you generally need specific hardware to mine crypto "efficiently"; you won't get very far just chucking any normal setup at it, even a very good one
>>98206590>Souls>OwnershipFind girl and then transfer soul and all ownership of everything I own to my new body
>>98206590this is the kind of CYOA I generally will not make a build for because any of these powers would probably corrupt me very quickly. Even if you started out keeping it completely consensual, it would be a slippery slope compared to a lot of magic, superpowers, and so on. cool ideas though!
>>98206151>I am glad someone understands the point of making the Frenzied Flame Tarnished a womanShe's still used goods conceptually.
>>98207327No dick entering vagina, no sex. Who cares if they've been exchanging sweet nothings. You can't beat the cock.
Okay. Assuming you got transported/isekai'd to another world, let's say a cyoa, or any fictional setting, etc, HOW would you justify the implications? Is it a dream? An alien? An alien device? What sent you there? Do you assume that your memories of making choices (in the case it's a cyoa) are erased and forgotten to avoid breaking the fourth wall? Or do you assume you have prophetic knowledge of the world and situation in advance?
>>98207373Unless it says otherwise I assume I remember making my choices yea
>>98207373Ignorance is bliss to most anons, mine Anon. Just look at how people react to the 'Matterjeet' when they start hypothesizing.
>>98207373Why would I care about the reason?
>>98207408You just want to go with the flow? You don't want to question things? You can do both.
>>98207373I don't really play CYOAs by self-inserting, but if I was suddenly isekai'd I would assume it was a dream and I think it would suit that situation to remember the choices and what I had read about the setting. To me it's a lot cooler to lose most or all of that memory though, or possibly have it reinterpreted through an in-setting lens that made it less disjointed.
>>98207373If I woke up tommorrow in another land I would assume that magic was real and that there were powers inherent to conciousness I had not previously graspedI would then be searching for some time, for what this means and what it doesThe questions provoked would likely take a lifetime or multiple to answerIf I had answered a cyoa, then I would be more willing to believe the specific magics of the setting and of beings far beyond my comprehension having some interest in life
>>98207411It's just as unfathomable as "Why was I existing in Earth". Something fun to think before sleeping, but ultimately irrelevant to what I do/
>>98207415>I don't really play CYOAs by self-insertingYoure doing it wrongChoose YOUR Own Adventure
>>98207415>I don't really play CYOAs by self-insertingautists, not even once
>>98207422I interpreted this image more as a wail of genuine anguish
>>98207420>I would assume that magic was real and that there were powers inherent to conciousness I had not previously graspedIf you didn't find your previous world (the 21st century) to be a magical one you're kind of a piece of shit. Isekai settings frequently find amazement in the capabilities and possibilities of where the isekai'd hero comes from. It's a common gag/joke aspect. "You can do WHAT with wheels??". What is magic is relative to persons and what is most familiar to them.>>98207421Not really. You were actually born on Earth. That's more so immersive. In this case you're actually being sent somewhere wholesale.Please think harder.
>>98207373It depends on the world.If an established fictional world or an over the top strange world (hyper nsfw, anime-tier wackiness, etc), then I would be highly suspicious that I'm being messed with by some kind of being.For normal worlds I would be confused and think on it a lot, like maybe I got reincarnated with memories, or I was simply transported to a different world due to Earth not being compatible with me or something.
>>98207435>What is magic is relative to persons and what is most familiar to them.>>98207436>then I would be highly suspicious that I'm being messed with by some kind of being.This is matterjeeta. Notice how they always go back to magical relativity and aliens being behind everything.
>>98207373Depends, if I remember making the choices I would assume that I am a metaphysical copy of the original created by some multiverse fuckery where imagination or possibility spawns stuff somewhere.If I didn't, I would probably try to find out how I got in there in the first place.In anyway I think I would give up at some point and just accept what it is (assuming I don't find out how I got there).
>>98207435>You were actually born on EarthMeh. For all I know I'm actually some schuck from a fantasy setting who got reincarnated here after a heroic sacrifice. Or a bad guy sent here depowered for his penance.It's not interesting for my adventure/life. Think of your own answer I won't care about.
>>98207446You're not a very smart guy. For me.
>>98207426Notnoface but depending on the setup, I find more immersive to think of myself as a different person or mindset rather than my own, otherwise I would find hard to actually justify acts of extreme heroism or villainy.
>>98207446That's still... being born to an experience rather than being taken to a new one. Exposure logic, anon.>>98207449Cyoag anons aren't very intelligent in-general, sadly.
>>98207446"Terrible villain living out penance for crimes she doesn't remember" dominates so many of my musings on the purpose of my life and this world
>>98207449Sure, why not.
>>98207446>>98207452Edgelord alert. Or, alternatively, self-hating individuals who deserve pity (and meds, lots of depression meds).
>>98207441>This is matterjeetaI'm not a Materialist. I'm a Spiritualist.
>>98207452>sheAnon?
>>98207452It's possible that you were a completely mundane piece of shit in another life too, anon. You weren't necessarily awesome in any way shape or form.
>>98207454You could at least try to defend your position.
>>98207457That you think the spiritual isn't material is cute. You're not a very smart guy. For me.
>>98207452Same, but considering how worse life could be, I'm not sure if this would be actual punishment. Being in mental anguish is still probably better than being in an asylum or facing constant abuse and torture.Maybe it's like a type of prison and we dream of a mundane, bad existence because anything else would wake you up.
>>98207452Is that why Destruction is your favorite aspect, Aro?
>>98207456Mostly the latter in my case, but after seeing what depression meds have done to my peers, I'll take my chances with the depression>>98207458Yes?>>98207460But why would such an elaborate torture be constructed for someone so mundane?
>>98207472>But why would such an elaborate torture be constructed for someone so mundane?Have you taken one look at India?
>>98207435>If you didn't find your previous world (the 21st century) to be a magical one you're kind of a piece of shitAnd what exactly do you think "Magic" is?Because I clearly stated "Powers of conciousness", which have not been widely observedDo you need me to use smaller words?Fuck you
>>98207463For what? Proving myself to Anonymous and wasting my time while I could continue reading and post CYOAs passively?
Matterheroine...
>>98207485https://imgchest.com/p/5xy22anpnyl
>>98207481Anyone who isn't totally devoid of wonder and the ecstatic feeling of mystery still thinks magic exists, you willy-willy anon. The Jeets are wise. Existence is a magician.
>>98207373>Okay. Assuming you got transported/isekai'd to another world, let's say a cyoaOkay.>HOW would you justify the implications? Is it a dream? An alien? An alien device? What sent you there?Depends on how real it would feel. If it feels real then there is no point in assuming it is not, even if it later turn out not to been real.>Do you assume that your memories of making choices (in the case it's a cyoa) are erased and forgotten to avoid breaking the fourth wall?Unless I picked an option that made me forget or the cyoa implicitly state that I forget I will naturally remember everything.>Or do you assume you have prophetic knowledge of the world and situation in advance?Whatever the cyoa told me. If it tells me the world is a known popular fictional setting and I know the plot then I know still it when I get there.
My favorite matterjeeta moment is when they complained about their physics professor getting angry at them for calling nature magical and he accused the professor's amygdala of "freaking out" when it "confronts a force of beauty" and I lol'd at thatMust be a truly angsty fellow who despises atheism or something
>>98207422>>98207426This is well-trod ground. I'll just say that there are a host of reasons why a strict self-insert doesn't make sense. I'd rather a kernel of myself live on in a life I designed than be thrown into some kind of cosmic nightmare where I'm constantly worried I'm in the Matrix or a torture dimension or coma. None of it is real anyway, however, so I am choosing my adventure for roleplay purposes
>>98207510Which is funny when the mentally handicapped here accuse him of being Atheist when he's defending science. Or a Theist when he's defending religion. Black and white anons cannot stand with someone so grey.
>>98207485Anons told me it ruined cyoag
>>98207527Probably because matterjeet is so consistent in her retardation that he is hated by both sides equally
It's a SHE you FUCKS
>>98207527>heNice try
>>98207533I'm being straight honest here. He's not stupid. Anons here are simply underage/uneducated. He should not be in a place that practically depends on low iq people to survive. He is insufferable because he is misplaced. I don't know why he comes here.
>>98207539>>98207540She wont fuck you bro
>>98207435Magic is something supernatural. Everything in our world is natural.Now, if you go to a fantasy world with magic, where the author has already established that it is real magic then it will still be magic when you get there. There will be nothing relative about it. It will not be nanobots or some other tech too advanced for the locals to understand. It will be honest real magic, even if you cannot understand how that is possible.
UWOOHHHBRATTY MATTERJEETANEEDS BWC CORRECTION
>>98207558>Magic is something supernatural. Everything in our world is natural.If you actually believe this, it's a red flag that you are mentally incapable of constructing the necessary nuance to see something holistically for what it is.You are not a very smart guy. For me.
MatterDEITY is never wrong
>>98207564The words have definitions you dimwit. If an author use the word "magic" then that is what it mean. What you want seem to be sci-fi.
>>98207373Ever since I read about it over 20 years ago in high school, I have lived my life in accordance with the concept of nietzschean eternal recurrence. That I am for doomed to repeat my actions and my life again and again forever more. Life is inherently absurd, and so the correct action is to dance in accordance to my spiritual needs. I would not suspect any specific cause for the isekai, unless I was given reason to. If they were clues, I would pursue them to try to get back, for I have left behind a wife and daughter. If return ends up being impossible, I know I leave them with a million-dollar life insurance and family that would support them. I would enjoy the delights of that world in accordance with my principals, and I would pursue the virtue of a good life, regardless of the circumstances I find myself in. I have naval gazed long enough over why I exist at all, if I wake up tomorrow to find myself in a dying dream for a matrix or a true planar hop, I will appreciate the life that I have and the time that I have.
>>98207574>Magic is what I say it is.Deciding what is/isn't magic is just basic fucking psychology, my guy/dude.
>>98207564It is in the nature of Capital to incorporate all understandable things into itself. If there is Magic and I can make money off the magic it is - in principle - a material thing. If magic is not understandable in such a way that it is impossible to make money off of it, only then what I deem it Supernatural. Though the correct discovery can transfer it from the latter to the former.
>>98207613>quotes some random Internet reviewer of Tolkien for his definition of magic.You have access to both dictionaries and AI. Look up the definition of the word properly. The definition is not up to your personal interpretation. That is not me deciding what the definition is. It is general consensus.
If you want to be Isekai'd you have to listen to this song first The trees of the earth Drink the water And I drink the blood of man And I drink the blood of man High in the roots Rise the water And I drink the blood of man Now I drink the blood of man The leaves unfurl with the water And I drink the blood of man Now I drink the blood of man In the air and the sky is the water On this ride, you must die It's the plan
>>98207643All of that was written by Tolkein except for the part in red, and it's just basic Clarkean ("sufficiently advanced-anything is magic") logic. Magic in fiction is never not sufficiently sophisticated or convenient for the sake of the narrative. Sufficiently understood magic is also indistinguishable from science. It's all just a matter of subjective perception, and the air of wonder and mystery that permeates. This is why the eye within the triangle/pyramid is the most apt symbol for magic, bar none. Magic IS an angle of perception. The capital-w Wizard might not even see themselves as such. Their bar for magic is higher than yours. Your idea of magic is petty/pathetic to them.
>>98207665>665You can't change a single digit to hide yourself, Satan. Go away.
>>98207615
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfB7y7M6P4c
>>98207687He just wanted to do business. ;_;It didn't matter to him if you were a human or a tentacle faced pirate lich ;_;He truly treated you as an equal ;_;
>>98207665> and it's just basic Clarkean ("sufficiently advanced-anything is magic") logic>fantasy is just disguised sci-fiNot if the author says it is not.Learn to respect authors.
reddit oc but I think this is is kind of neat
>>98207700Fantasy and science-fiction are the same thing anon. It’s all just surface coating. — “I think that for science fiction, fantasy, and even horror to some extent, the differences are skin-deep. I know there are elements in the field, particularly in science fiction, who feel that the differences are very profound, but I do not agree with that analysis. I think for me it is a matter of the furnishings. An elf or an alien may in some ways fulfill the same function, as a literary trope. It’s almost a matter of flavor. The ice cream can be chocolate or it can be strawberry, but it’s still ice cream. The real difference, to my mind, is between romantic fiction, which all these genres are a part of, and mimetic fiction, or naturalistic fiction.”- GRRM
>>98207700An author is allowed to be wrong lol. This is par for the course. If an author tries to make a fiction without, say, quantification, it’s a downright impossibility. All fiction is by default a fictional form of physics since things are happening (fictionally of course). Stories will never be able to avoid causality. Ever ever ever. Even if a butthurt author writes/insists otherwise. That’s a prime trademark of surrealist fiction, in fact! It’s absurd on purpose.
>>98207720Dude. If an author calls something magic and then later reveal that in his universe magic is just advanced sci-fi then that is called a plot twist.It does not mean that the plot twist suddenly apply to all written fantasy stories that has used the word "magic". So unless stated otherwise you can safely assume that when an author use the word "magic" then it is not sci-fi unless implicitly stated otherwise. It is magic as defined in the dictionary.You would have to be autistically stupid to believe otherwise.
There's three hundred or so posts in the thread/Little more than ten images that can be posted/Some anons are arguing about the nature of magic in fiction/It's a cool sunday night, and the thread's dying/What a terrible day to love CYOAs
>>98207467Just bad enough to keep me alert, sane, and naively hopeful, while still being abjectly terrible.>>98207470I'm not Aro>>98207474Not often, no
>>98207748Anon, if some fictional higher dimensional alien crossed over into the author’s fiction and analyzed it (the “magic”) comprehensively, it probably won’t be magic to them. Magic has always been “magic”. Magic is constructed as much as it is an essence. Since magic to one isn’t necessarily magic to another, you can only call this psychological concept “magic”. Or that sensation of wonder/mystery. It seems you just want magic to remain unknowable, when unknowability is entirely relative. Your Magic might just be “magic” to the godlike alien being. In fact, “magic” could be considered more magic than Magic once you realize that magic is precisely at the edges of the known. The more alien, the more “magical”. Even highly strict and rigid magic systems will have nebulous aspects to it. Magic can’t be a specific thing or substance either. What happens when something else shows up that does even more than it? Do you suddenly not call it magic because it’s been trademarked?
>>98207810>It seems you just want magic to remain unknowable, when unknowability is entirely relative.I think there's a high chance that embracing the concept of "everything is relative" might have made you more stupid.If the author says something is yellow I also do not start a philosophical debate about how color is just relative and it could be green to aliens. If the author says it is magic then it is magic. AKA the opposite of science.>>98207820"... So if superman entered Tolkiens universe he would show them that flying is not magical because superman is not magical.. amirite? Yeah"Oh ffs.
I wonder how other people outside of this general view us. A place that argues about those little choose your own adventure picture books. God I love this general.
>>98207841Flying would not be magical to Superman, yes. Kind of like how the elemental benders in Avatar don’t consider elemental bending to be magical. Only the more esoteric aspects of bending are considered magic. It’s almost like magic depends on what is considered nebulous… Yeah the guy you’re responding to isn’t wrong at all buddy.
>>98207841>I think there's a high chance that embracing the concept of "everything is relative" might have made you more stupid.How to say you hate physics without saying you hate physics. Everything is relative anon. “When in Rome”. Space and time can be bent. Perceptions will never align completely.
>>98207841>If the author says it is magic then it is magic. AKA the opposite of science.Does magic work? Do wizard do spells and rituals and make potions and use tools like wands and staves and crystal balls?That’s science. You’re sadly retarded. The only reason why you’re arguing at all is because you don’t want to admit you’re retarded and wrong.
>le rules I invented to describe reality... describe reality????>INCONCEIVABLE!What would your husband think about this?
>>98207861Anons who think magic is opposite to science think magic has no rules or something. If something has rules/laws it’s automatically a science.
Jeet breaking your brains as usual Sucks its on constant repeat tho
>>98207866What if it doesn't have rules or laws?
>>98207866>if something has rules/laws it's automatically a science...If something has rules/laws it automatically can become a science. There's a difference that you don't seem to understand here, much like how you don't understand the difference between reality and fiction.
>>98207849Did Marvel's multiverse concept rot your brain into thinking that all fictional universes are somehow connected?>>98207855I don't hate physics but you need to be smart enough to put that physic quotes into the right context. Einstein wasn't talking about fictional magic.>>98207860>If the author says it is magic then it is magic.>Does magic work? That’s science. You’re sadly retarded.You are possible the biggest dimwits of them all.
>>98207875Then it’s an attempt at omnipotence, which is in itself a flawed concept. Do you not remember that time Gil had a huge argument about this? Starting to think Gil is hated for the same reason the Jeet is hated. For not being stupid. >>98207876Lol. It isn’t a matter of “can” buddy. Science is eternal and ambient for all fucking time. It predates your flat ass. If anything exists at all, there will be fundamental rules and maths to it, otherwise it takes no shape at all.
>>98207881>Did Marvel's multiverse concept rot your brain into thinking that all fictional universes are somehow connectedMost low iq zoomers today are addicted to crossover omniverse slop. It works. You’re also basically wanting magic to be something forever impossible to grasp. Ok. That’s fair. You want it to be like God. But does God not understand Himself?You don’t think hard enough it seems. You are only arguing back to me because I’m being a dick. And you don’t want to be wrong. :^)>You are possible the biggest dimwits of them allCute how you can only argue with insults while I can argue with both insults and logic.
>>98207881Um. That isn’t a quote. It’s just a downright fact about things being relative, either literally/physically(physics), or subjectively(psychologically), and even then the psychological realm is built upon objective physicality, which is relative. Sorry anon. You’re not winning this.
>>98207895 (me)That isn’t a quote about Einstein*But “when in Rome” certainly is. It’s a jab at subjective psychology/culture.
>>98207895What do you mean the psychological realm is based on objective physicality? The brain?
>>98207902certainly is a quote* (not about Einstein)
>have two really good ideas for choices>need more ideas but can't think of any>do something unrelated three days later>another idea comes to me out of nowhereNow I just need this to happen again.
>>98207908Yep. The consciousness is built. Unless you’re some anti-determinist who thinks free will is somehow separate. See >>>/sci/16958190 for more.
>>98207890>You’re also basically wanting magic to be something forever impossible to grasp.I want magic to be what the author says it is. Apparently that is a massively hard concept to grasp around these parts.>>98207895The quote is not telling you that magic is relative!>Sorry anon. You’re not winning this.I won this before we even started. The only question is how much time I want to waste replying.
>>98207915>I want magic to be what the author says it isCool. It can totally be (“magic”). The author didn’t invent the psychological basis for magic as a concept, however. Said concept doesn’t even need the word (“magic”) to begin with. The sensation can exist without it.
>>98207918>I want magic to be what the author says it is"Uhm no, actually the author didn’t invent the psychological basis for magic as a concept..."Tell me you are stupid without telling me you are stupid.
>>98207915>The quote is not telling you that magic is relative!The quote refers to the relativity of culture, which involves relativity, which is something that magic involves, since the sensation of magic is relative; “what is magic to one is not magic to another”; and as such one concludes that magic, like religion, is quite relative. “That’s not magic, THIS is Magic!”. “That’s not a god, THIS is a God!”. Etc. Oftentimes it’s just punking. “It’s Magick, not magic” is just a variant of “It’s a miracle, not magic”. Lol.
>>98207923MAGIC IS NOT REAL. THE QUOTE IS ABOUT THE REAL WORLD. Hello? Do you get it yet?
>>98207921So you think magic has no background or basis? You think the concept came from nowhere? At this point you’re just using insults because you aren’t equipped to argue back. All magic and all religion stems from human psychology. It’s all a projection. Looking to the stars and considering them to be gods is no different from looking to some wise and knowledgeable old man and considering him a wizard or a sage.
>>98207934>So you think magic has no background or basis?It has whatever background the author says it has. Not what you say it has or what magic's background is in another setting.
>>98207932Magic isn’t real? The chemistry in the brain that perceives something to be magic isn’t real? Hm. Not so sure about that. Magic can’t even exist in fiction once you realize that it’s all just a way of looking at reality. It only exists for sure in the brain.Magic lies within the mind’s eye anon. You need to start seeing and appreciating the wonder and mystery where it lies. It’s not a bad projection. Even Christians saw nature as divine, sometimes even God itself/Himself (the whole pantheism debate).
I have learned nothing from this discussion.I have gained no deeper knowledge of myself, others, science, magic, or the environment I find myself in.I have gained nothing, from this discussion. No deeper insight can be gleamed. My life has not worsened or improved in any observable capacity.This thread, has been meaningless. Pointless.Post Black Magic.
>>98207938>Magic isn’t real?No that is why it is called magic. Otherwise we would use a different word for things happening in the real world.
>>98207937All fiction is a projection anon. All fiction, even absurd surrealist fiction, stems from logic. Fantasy is made in contrast of the real. Without the real there would be no fantasy to spite it.This isn’t a hard concept, and personally I think you’re like myself ten years ago when I was an escapist rotted autist who boxed everything into redundant little boxes; pretending that chocolate ice cream isn’t ice cream because it’s chocolate.
>>98207942Only the Blackest of Magic for thee.
>>98207943I think you missed the point magnificently! ;^)A lot of what fictions say is magic isn’t at all magic to other fictions written by other authors. This tells me magic is subjective within the realm of fiction. Authors arguing over what magic is and isn’t transcends any specific idea of magic. You eventually realize that the argument of magic is magic itself. Perceptions budding heads. Religion is like this, and magic and religion are quite indistinguishable.
>>98207720>food analogy
>>98207932Psychology isn’t real? Anon you’re falling into a trap hole here.
>>98207962How is cooking not bloody magic?All chefs are sorcerers to some shade. That's why they seek recipes for everything to unify different layers of taste. It's as if chefs believe as-sauce-so-seasoning and as-filling-so-topping. Chefs believe in heating surfaces that transcend the body like stoves and wish to become hot stuff themselves. Don't forget chefs' quest for deliciousness either…and think about their obsession with seeking patterns, their inclination to turn patterns into gastronomical representations, and their wish for dining to be fine! Chefs might as well wear tall hats and dissect animal bodies on cutting boards- no, wait, they're already doing that… Christ, they might as well sacrifice materials in rituals to serve a three-course meal with nourishing properties. Oh wait…Rural cooks = hedge magesProfessional chefs = licensed mages Restaurants = mage chapters Culinary school = the magocratic institution/guildAuguste Escoffier = the Archmage
So magic in fiction is according to whatever rules and laws the author gives it, which can change depending on the authors whims. Which by definition makes it not science, as science has set rules that cannot change?
I think anons can’t handle the hypothetical alien analyzing their preferred magic system and then saying “heh, that’s not magic”, or, god forbid, “heh, my magic system is cooler”, because it tells them that magic is a construct not a thing.
>>98207960>A lot of what fictions say is magic isn’t at all magic to other fictions written by other authors.Obviously>This tells me magic is subjective within the realm of fiction.That is because you are stupid. Magic is defined by each author, objectively. There is no connection between them unless stated so by them.>Religion is like thisReligion is not magic>>98207967Are you trying to tell me you think psychology is magic anon?
>>98207975But constructs are things
>>98207974>Which by definition makes it not science, as science has set rules that cannot changeWell, no, those would be called the rules of authority. Author authority. It’s just that true omnipotence is a flawed concept, and even an omnipotent being will have rules it is subject to. Even God will be subject to math/quantification. There will always be a background to the foreground, even if it gets baser and baser to overwhelming simplicities, ie math, causality, etc. In fact it might be irrelevant to say omnipotence logically has rules, when this is just basic common sense.
>>98207977>That is because you are stupid. Magic is defined by each author, objectively. There is no connection between them unless stated so by themYou’re not thinking deeply enough. What is fiction to you? Not fiction? All fictions cannot actually avoid the fourth wall, only the acknowledgement of it. All authors are authors anon. All magic is authored. Just considering something to be magic is a form of authorship. Ignorance is the greatest storyteller of all. The imagination was used to fill in the gaps.
>>98207982Yeah but anons seem to want magic to be some glowing blue goo all the time. What if it’s a glowing green goo instead? “No!”.
>>98207977>Religion is not magic“Looking to the stars and considering them to be gods is no different from looking to some wise and knowledgeable old man and considering him a wizard or a sage.”Miracles and magic are indistinguishable. Magic comes from wonder and the word for miracle originally meant wonder.
One of the things I love about this setting, is that you can just give the player chances to be unnecessarily cruel, and it's perfectly acceptable in world for those options to be there.Also, I had a nightmare I had finished this, but there was an issue with Gimp and everything exported into super blurry images.
> Metaphorically speaking, yes, magic is deeply rooted in our capacity for wonder. Philosophically, magic doesn't exist to defy nature literally; rather, it is the artful manipulation of perception, mystery, and emotion that awakens our curiosity and invites us to experience the impossible as we deem it to be, which is subject to change over the eons.
The comfortably ignorant really just fucking detest absolute logicians (another way of saying autistic people) eh???
>>98207999Realized those needed may clauses.
>>98207995Religion exists in the real world so it is hard to call religion itself magic. Also belief is not fact. We cannot use belief as proof for anything other than the belief itself.Overall it is a derail.
