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This day in Military History:1216 – First Barons' War: Prince Louis of France takes the city of Winchester, abandoned by John, King of England, and soon conquers over half of the kingdom.1645 – English Civil War: Battle of Naseby: Twelve thousand Royalist forces are beaten by fifteen thousand Parliamentarian soldiers.1775 – American Revolutionary War: the Continental Army is established by the Continental Congress, marking the birth of the United States Armed Forces.1800 – The French Army of First Consul Napoleon Bonaparte defeats the Austrians at the Battle of Marengo in Northern Italy and re-conquers Italy.1940 – World War II: The German occupation of Paris begins.1982 – Falklands War: Argentine forces in the capital Stanley conditionally surrender to British forces ending the war.
Cheers for the thread, anon!
Gotta love free-hand!
>>98204761>even got the highlight grey on top of the base blackfreaking sweet.
Is it knight time? I played some Greathelm yesterday, a simple bar brawl to teach the other person the game.
>>98204895I've considered Greathelm, though I need another knight for two teams.
knighty night!
>>98204747>>98204761Kino my guy
A few months ago I've seen some new Napoleonic-era box of mixed irregulars(?) which people were gushing about as a great source for various skirmish games. Anyone know which box was that?
>>98205298Probably this one, Perry's skirmish in a box
Where do I find more maps at this scale? Large field, armies clashing, each block is a full complement of soldiers, etc. What scale would this be?
>>98205256Nice anon!>>98205298The Spanish guerillas.
>>98205540Right you are, anon! Thanks! I thought it was >>98205630 because I remembered the Spaniards, but I kept thinking it was a mixed-nationality box, turns out I remembered right.
I'm reading Les miserables now. How accurate is the description of the battle of Waterloo in the novel?
I once again come before you to ask if anyone knows of a skirmish game that I can use Early Imperial Romans in that isn't Saga or Pillage.A game that's 1:1, a game where one miniature represents one man, so no Hail Caesar or Infamy, Infamy.Surely someone has something? The only game that comes to mind for me is Clash of Spears' Rise of Eagles expansion. Surely the vaunted vaults of /hwg/ can find something...?
>>98205963OnePageRules: Age of FantasyUse the community historical army books
>>98206070I had a look at both Fantasy and Fantasy Skirmish, it's pretty dreadful stuff, but I appreciate your input anon, every game suggested must surely bring me closer to what I seek. Again, thank you.
>>98205963No luck with Nordic Weasel's games?
How do I into basing my 2mm Napoleonics? I think 2x2 is the ruleset for me (not 100% sure yet). I've got a shit tonne of square bases but idk how many strips per base. Is it just a matter of taste? If so i'd rather spread them as thin and get the most bang for my buck.One topic I do not care for is Military Organisational Structure so any talk of companies, brigade etc causes me to want to take a bite from a chocolate gun.
>>98206994Not as yet, but I don't think I've been through his entire catalogue. Many and varied though it may be, it seems to lean towards modern-to-future wargames with a dash of medieval. I did come across a copy of Five Leagues From the Borderlands 3rd edition which, according to some, allows for some custom character creation that might do what I'm looking for, but I'm not convinced as of yet.
>>98206994Oh snap I might have found something, it's not from Nordic Weasel Games, it's from Brethren Wargame. It's a Skirmish game, that apparently plays fast and casually but has some depth to its modifiers and positioning of units. The rulebook (https://www.wargamevault.com/en/product/491837/brethren-the-historical-rulebook?src=newest_recent) is 49 pages, lovely and light.There's a specific expansion that caters to the ancient world (https://www.wargamevault.com/en/product/491852/brethren-armies-of-the-ancients?src=newest_recent)And they have a free quickstart document (https://www.wargamevault.com/en/product/502871/brethren-the-quick-start-guide?src=newest_recent) that is free of charge.They have a video on their youtube channel that runs you through the game. It's just after midnight in my neck of the woods, so tomorrow I shall look into all this goodness and see what's up. But things are looking good!
>get the highest throne>it starts at Mohac Dammit, I wanted to do Varna. Guess that's more of a Hail Caesar game than a Pike and Shotte game. On the plus side, these lists are better than the one in the main book and the Rus infantry I thought I could run as Variags of Khand but was foiled by their wide stances will have a new home as Voynuks.
>>98205540>>98205639I just finished painting this box up yesterday and I have to say, Perry really is the gold standard for wargaming miniature companies. Their company truly is a passion project and you can really tell. That box is one of the highest quality wargaming purchases I have ever made, the amount of variety and customization in the box is insane and it's stuffed full of pamphlets filled with uniform guides, information, flags to use, etc.
>>98207061>Is it just a matter of taste? If so i'd rather spread them as thinIt's 2mm, just spread them like butter.>>98208360The only thing I worry about it is that buying Napoleonics means officially accepting I'm old
>>98208424I just turned 30 and went all in on Napoleonics. Unironically I'm hooking, no interest in anything else anymore
>>98208424>tfw 30 and already going greyLife's a bitch ain't it?
>>98208360>Their company truly is a passion project and you can really tell.Do I remember correctly that one of them got his hand mangled in an reenactment cannon incident, then went on to make a classic mini to relearn sculpting the moment it healed?I wouldn't be surprised if the company continued via spirit mediums when they die.
>>98208499Yeah it was a reenactment of the Battle of Crécy. He still sculpts and paints with his non dominant hand now
>>98208424I am thinking I aim for two strips per base for inf, 1 for skirmishers and then double strips for heavy cav
I was wondering about Ancient wargaming and randomly checked Hail Caesar (because Warlord slop is nowadays the starting point of retard-proof wargaming) and by the Gods it's so dry and lifeless, and devoid of character. What's the go-to Ancient ruleset nowadays that has some variety, depth and charm without being obtuse?
>>98209018British are all cleaned up, took me a moment to figure out how to clean the flash on such tiny models but I worked it out. Inf are primed and i'll probably get around to painting them either Friday or next week.>>98209409I'm a retard and I bounce off big budget systems
I can't find a 3mm battle map anywhere, does no one make 'em? Not even an MS Paint doodle.
>>98209916Just use inkarnate to slap a grass texture on a background and call it a day?
>>98209537Forgive my ignorance, but what am I looking at?
>>982101102mm Napoleonics. They'll look better painted and from table distance. Also my photowork is bad and scrubbed all the detail, of which there is a surprising amount. The shinier ones at the back are Sci-fi 2mm infantry I am going to use to bulk out my units and they are basically pawns with little rifles.
>>98209916For TTS? Get a grass texture and a few hills and scale down some trees, fields & buildings.
>>98210405Whoa, that looks sick
>>98210452My board will be phoned in. Need to scratch build some fields, roads and rivers. I can't be bothered with loose flocking treelines.
>>98207061>I dpn't care for OoBIsn't Lasalle just for you?>>98207136Never seen this one, great find.
>>98211050It didn't interest me
>>98211050>great find.It's looking real good from what I've seen thus far, I didn't have much time to look into it today and the day's almost over.It is VERY similar to MESBG, which I'm fine with, that's a great game. But it is heavily reliant on Morale Tests. This is perhaps my least favourite element. It encourages you to remove enemy models by making them fail Morale Tests, but this could be circumvented by spreading out your forces, keeping heroes separate from the chaff. Doing this leaves you without access to group activations and group charges etc however.It has definitely caught my attention, and it can be played as low as 250pts on a 3"x2" area. So it's checking a lot of boxes.
>>98211050LaSalle 2 is an elite game, but surely 2mm fags would be better off playing Blücher.
>2mmI am genuinely asking this in good faith, why even play with miniatures at this point? Why not just use colored rectangles?
>>98211727>miniatures They aren't playing with miniatures, they actually are playing with rectangles that are covered in braille
>>98211636I'm sad I can't name 1 (ONE) wargame making the target unit test for morale when charged. A charge is a shock attack: you're drilled and willing enough to stand it or your formation collapse and retreat before contact.
>>98211838NTA, doesn't Hail Caesar have something like that? If a unit falls back under missile attack or from melee, they can cause the ranks around them to break and cause the formation to collapse. I'm like, 70% sure that's a thing.
>>98211939You might be right but it's not what I'm talking of. I'm talking about you having to test for morale if an opponent declares a charge on your troops to see if they stand their ground before contact is even made. Sorry of I was unclear.
>>98208499does anyone know what the classic mini is/was?
>>98211983That's a rule in Pike and Shotte for certain units that make the enemy make a rout test if the unit charges them.
>>98216025Thanks, I'll give the rulebook a quick read then. Pretty sure it I remember it having a bad reputation but there's only one way to know.
>>98216003The Green Knight for WHFB Bretonnia, IIRC. A very well-received sculpt.
>>98211838... I want to say that I'm sure some of the REALLY old WRG rules I've seen the equally REALLY old boys at the club dust off every now and then do, but in the spirit of honesty I could be remembering wrong.
>>98216854Geez it tells a lot about me lads. I might be on my way out sooner than expected. Guess it's only Napoleonic for me from now on.
>>98216998You're not alone bro, I've been hearing the call of fife and drum myself lately, though it's been more the WSS or 7YW...Mutual age despair aside, one advantage of being a greybeard is you see a lot of cycles and pendulum swings. Complicated to simple to complicated to simple to... A "receive charge" test is something I can very easily imagine as being handwaved as a combat result outcome ("so i roll a 6 before mods and you've got a ... 1? Wow, guess your lads just aren't feeling it today, eh?"), as I'm sure a lot of the time I've seen it, it was only units below x% of starting strength or with a morale failure already that usually had to worry about it, or even do it, so why not skip a usually unnecessary part of the sequence?I've actually got a copy of 1688-1845 in the garage, I'll try to dig it out tomorrow, and I have a feeling that FoG does it too; of course that has a strong WRG pedigree too.
>>98217088More often than not I recommend Neil Thomas nowaday. The barebone-ness means you can add houserules the like of "roll for morale before receiving a charge if the charging troop is heavier" without breaking much if anything.
>>98218675I'll have to look them up, if/when I am seduced by the Lace Side of the Force(s).Incidentally the 1685-1845 rules do require a test to receive and also to both start a charge and actually see it through to contact (in the latter case, if I'm reading this right a failure means you 'bounce off' about an inch or so without actually fighting as such, but do drop a morale level, which is going to go well when you're within reach of the enemy).Also found some other rules I'd forgotten about entirely. Guess that's my afternoon sorted out.
After I finish painting my Quar, I think I'm going to make a move into DBA. Thinking Graeco-Bactrians and either Parthians or Hindus to go with it. Eyeing Xyston Miniaatures and Forged in Battle, Essex has ranges but they don't look as cool on photos, any other manufacturers I should account for?
>>98218846Museum Miniatures are a name I hear a lot but have no direct experience with.Peter Pig have Parthians - AK47 and WW2 I've had from them has been nice enough, but again no direct experience of their Ancients.
>>98211983I think having that as separate from the damage inflicted in combat is a bit redundant desuSplitting the dice roll for "does the enemy break" into 2 rolls adds nothing but flabbiness
>>98218846I have some (medieval) Essex on the painting table starting tomorrow and they're cute enough.>>98219406Yes and no. If you want to simulate a battle without too much hassle it's better for me to abstract a formation breaking before contact and your own formation breaking up in pursue like it happened a bunch of times in History, than rolling for heavy spear damage against linen armor defense. To each his own though and I'm not going to argue over this. Maybe your favorite system doesn't have that type of roll either and it's fine too.That being said a charge is a chock tactic so troops could break before contact. Abstracting that in the damage roll gives most players a bad representation of how it unfolded. Made me curious to know which systems bothered with that and how they handled it. One could really easily make the Morale test prior to contact and decide once you pass it you won't have to roll again this turn, only next one after casualty removal. Since your troop accepted this fight there's not much point testing again since it takes a bit of time to realize who's winning this mess when you're right in the middle of it.Next logical step being, now that we can represent a preventive rout and its resulting pursue, how do we even represent a feigned retreat in a tabletop wargame? Because it happened IRL more often than not and if you have a pursue mechanism you want to take the full advantage of it.Sorry for spilling my spaghettos.
Has anybody seen this one yet? Their promo's saying they got serious historical consultants for it and the seljuks don't look like complete ospreyslop but they're also using valrak to stir it up so I dunno if it'll be that good
>>98220441>OspreyslopPlease don't.
>>98205597seen similar maps in old DBA Online using DBA 1ed iirc, now it's lost, you might dig it in archive org
>>98219113Museum Miniatures are great. Their Z-sculpt stuff in particular - I don't think I've seen as high casting quality anywhere else yet.
>>98220441It's crap. Tabards didn't start being a thing until around the third crusade. Neither was mail edged with leather.
>>98204099Hope it's just my browser playing up, but I think the mediafire troves of files have been whacked lads.
How should I base my 28mm Imperial Romans in order for them to be usable for as many games as possible?
>>98224132Idk, individually? I go 6 figures on a 60x60 because it looks cooler.
>>98224163I was thinking of putting them on 20mm squares and then I can put em in formations as I needAny good EIR models other than Victrix?
>>98224273It's true on paper but in practice I fail to see a game moment where you want them to be less than 4 men wide.
Does anyone have On Bloody Ground?
Ordered my Heiho box yesterday. I'll paint it with my pal when he comes for holidays. I'll just make sure to clip them off their sprues myself as the yari ashigaru tend to snap by their spears if not carefully done in a specific way.Anyone has anything to say about the ruleset? It's tranny made but the sonae base unit sounds documented and thoughtful.
Does anyone here like 3rd edition for Bolt Action?
>>98226184I don't even know what differentiates it from 2nd
>>98226179Cool anon, I was also looking at it a bit. 950 figures is very very daunting but they do look amazing. Really great box. Keep us updated!
>>98226179The figures themselves are the one reason I skipped this box as those ashigaru pikes are just daft.Good luck clipping them out.
>>98226370I was in those same boots for a very long time but after further investigation it looks like you can avoid any damage by clipping the junction joining the pike to the sprue first and foremost. This way all the remaining tensions go somewhere else.>>98226236Cheers. My pal isn't landing before mid-July so there's nearly a whole month to read the rules, clip the minis, sort them on popsicle sticks and batch prime them myself. I just know he'll go for an odd color scheme from pink to purple but hey, if he can stick to it and paint half the box I'll be a merry man.
>>98224273Plastics? No.
>>98226370I blame all the faggots who bitch about heroic proportions on miniatures constantly. The weapons/hands/heads were big for a reason. So they'd look good at tabletop distance and be able to survive being handled and transported.
>>98230942I think they learned that lesson, and the other small scale boxes do not suffer as much from it.
>>98230942It's more WGA thinks it's a good idea to put the runners on the thinnest part of the plastic. They did it with their halflings too, which is why about half of my Halfling archers are missing the arrows they're supposed to be pulling back to loose into the target.
>>98226179I would love to wargame samurai but I really dont care for wargames Atlantics quality. There anyone else who makes reasonabley priced plastic ashigaru?
>>98230942Some onions retard shifting blame for a company's fuckups onto other hobbyists is the sort of faggotry I'd expect in a GW threadExcept somehow it seems even more embarrassing for you to be simping WGA
>>98231689Is wga so bad? I have some of their guards and villagers sprues from Guards of Traitor's Toll and I love them. It's 28mm fantasy so not the most grognard shit ever but mold quality seems fine to me.
>>98231689Lol no, in 10mm plastic you have no other options and in 1/55 aka 28mm you're basically stuck with fireforge since Warlord's WGF kits are mediocre at best.
>>98231007>They did it with their halflings too, which is why about half of my Halfling archers are missing the arrows they're supposed to be pulling back to loose into the target.That is rather a problem of your clumsy hands.
>>98233594With plastics in 10mm, and 2 manufacturers in 28mm, plastic samurai is actually a very spoiled period. Fireforges stuff is not perfect, but its pretty solid, and the new monks are actually awesome.>>98233586Its totally fine. Not every sprue they do is a 10/10 masterpiece of course. Its just that some people develop unreasonable hatred for popular companies.
>>98233606Warlord was smart enough to not have the delicate long pikes connected to the frames in their shitty epic scale.
>>98233614I'm pretty sure the dislike of WGA comes from them being founded by a shady individual and their years long delays with their Damned Gamefound campaign. I'm stuck in limbo myself until they release their warring states.
>>98233586>>98233629WGAs biggest problem, aside from being owned and ran by a liar and conman, is that they produce so much different shit that the quality is all over the place. Some of their stuff is 'good,' (they have never really produced a 'great' product) but a large portion of it is straight dogshit low quality slop. WGAs business model is to just fling as much random shit at the wall as possible in the hopes that some of it sticks. It's an interesting business model, not one I really support; but consumers are by and large very retarded and it seems to be working for WGA. I will still avoid their products unless they really produce something exceptional that I can't get elsewhere
>>98233615>10mm pikes are shit>so are their 28mm halfling archers>nobody else ever mentions it, so it must be rather you>b-b-but warlord does not do 10mm pikesReally, thats your response to a statement that the 28mm archers are fine?
>>98233639Well, what choice do you have for plastic French resistance or Aztecs? Some of this shit is so niche you don't have options.
>>98233642That's literally one of the #1 complaints people have for the ashigaru. And the Persian archers too now that I think of it.
>>98233639The mentioned Guards and Villager sets are great, Quar is awesome, The Damned are great, the skeletons are awesome. The Civilian Survivors/Protestors and the Agents sets are great. For me, they have released must have set after must have set for a while now.
>>98233650It is. Nobody disputed it. But saying that 10mm pikes are related to 28mm arrows is retarded, especially since nobody ever mentioned it anywhere.
>>98233645>plastic That really is the limiting factor isn't it. For some reason a lot of people just HAVE to have plastic. This seems to be a symptom of people who started gaming with nuhammer >>98233654The Guards/Villagers are good. Quar are impossible to fuck up since they are bulbous cartoons, the damned are average 40k knockoff shit, the skeletons are literally the worst plastic skeleton kit on the market and I am a huge skeleton enthusiast. I play a ton of ultra modern gaming and the agents and civilians will never have a use on my table because they proportions are ridiculous and heroic compared to well done moderns like Empress Miniatures and other Paul Hicks sculpts.
>>98233675>Quar are impossible to fuck up since they are bulbous cartoons,Thats not really true. Sculpting-wise you are right, but they still could fuck up either details of the models, or the plastic molds could be bad quality with tons of mold lines and flash, but WGA generally does not have those technical issues. >the skeletons are literally the worst plastic skeleton kit on the market and I am a huge skeleton enthusiast.And here your opinion becomes irrelevant, because you seem to ignore WGF/Warlord skeletons and the overdesigned GW stuff just to make a point.
>>98233675Show some Paul Hicks sculpts with Mp5k.
>>98233675> the skeletons are literally the worst plastic skeleton kit on the market and I am a huge skeleton enthusiast. Not really /hwg/ territory but I'll hear you out. What are the problems with the sprues and more importantly, which alternative would you recommend?
>>98233682>WGF/Warlord skeletonsThe worst part about them is the hero figure stuck on the army box. Otherwise there's no reason to burden yourself with what has to be a cruel and unusual punishment of a model kit.
Lessons learned:Warlord only knows how to make arcade games with the thinnest coat of history possible, even on their side games. Age of sail is waaaaay more interesting pre 1700 than post 1700.British designers and companies will stick to the periods were Britain had a position of strength even if you throw them boiling water.
>>98233682The WGF skeletons are hell to assemble but visually are far superior to the WGA ones. GW 2008 skeletons are excellent, some of the best ever produced, but you're correct the Age of Sigmar shit is disgusting, and I don't even include them in the comparison.
Any rulebook recs for pitting knights vs samuraiGrabbing some warlord samurai soon and a buddy suggested he pick up some medieval knights and have them fightWould prefer a rulebook with a bit of flavor so that it doesnt just define us both as heavy infantry and be done with it
>>98233868Sadly, Pike and Shotte with supplements.
>>98233873thanks for the cold truth
>>98233645>French resistanceProbably their first big miss. Only four different bodies, all standing. A real life guerilla fighter would spend a lot of time crouching/prone. Weird selection of weapons too. But overall I like them as a company. Kinda cool to have someone trying to fill gaps.>>98233868If you're fine with skirmish/warband instead of rank-and-flank, look at Clash of Spears/Clash of Katanas. You're managing how tired your troops are so it's one of the few games that shows how elite heavy troops could get bogged down and overwhelmed(each the Romans at Hurtgen Forest). And they give you the formula for how they calculate the cost of troops so you can make your own units.
>>98233752>still malding over Thomas CochraneHwg is/sourgrapes//pointlessautism//ahistoricalbait/First, learn what a game is.
Why are wargames about England when England only ruled half the world peacefully and successfully and defeated despotic regimes and librated slaves and developed and stabilised countries with its sensible governance? It's only like most history is written in English and moreso military history because the English made it and because wargames companies are typically Englishmen in England. Why can't they be fat and stupid like me and make a board game where you kiss your cousin? Why am I upset that this tiny ferocious island was mandated by God for centuries to spread civilisation, the most masculine virtue? The inheritors of Athens, truly for centuries, and now makers of the most raw amateur porn featuring chip shop slags and carpark bukkake dinner ladies. Kneel when you speak of her. Kneel before Britannia, somehow poor and tiny but rich and influential like Val Kilmer in Top Gun. The blonde chadlite who keeps you on your toes.Americans wish they were social enough to have the network of clubs the UK has. The UK is wargaming. Wargaming is the UK. Eat shit forever.T. Colonial
>>98233639The only good stuff they make is for other companies such as the quar and Napoleonic French. Their own stuff suffers from mediocre to plain bad sculptors. I will NEVER touch the dogshit plastics they made for the barons war.
>pros and cons of British self fellatio.It's a valid concern on many fields but they are allowed to. Let's make it more interesting though:What's you favorite non-UK historical conflict fa/tg/rogs? Have you been longing for a ruleset or have you been blessed already?
>>98234752Holy cuckoldry
>>98234752Masterful bait.
>>98235440Probably one of those weird interwar ones in the Balkans or West VirginiaI like FT-17 tanks
>>98207061I put them on 30x15mm bases, as many to put a line across the base width wise, and have 4 bases to a Battalion and 2 to a Squadron
>>98235440Russian Civil War big kino. You've got literal horsed lancers fighting side by side with armoured trains. Early planes and tanks, warships, fortresses. Brits in Turkmenistan, French and Greeks in Odessa, Americans in the frozen north. Japs, Mongols, Ottomans, Basmachi, Czechoslovaks. Latvians Estonians and Poles. Big back and forth too: absolutely no clear winner for most of 1918 and 1919 but at the same time it's highly mobile, not the boring stalemate on the western front. Very underrated and underserved wargaming subject I feel.
>>98235440Trouble is that the UK really has been the villain of history since the early modern, so it's hard to find wars unrelated to them unless you focus on boring 3rd world brown people shit
I wish that the Bongs cared about the Crimean and Opium wars more.
>>98236122Anon the world is a big place and I fail to see how the first empires the like of Sumer or Akkad can be dismissed as "uh brown" when they shaped the world we live in. Even if it was your absolute stance you could wish for more Greeks vs Achaemenid, Goths vs Sarmatians, Byzantine vs Sasanian, Rus vs Khazar, Iberians vs Al Andalus, Malta vs Ottomans, Conquistadores vs Azteca, USA vs Barbary...
>>98235440The crusade of Varna.You have this hot-blooded impetuous young king living under the shadow of legends trying to come into his own, a tired boomer forced to come out of retirement to deal with an oathbreaker, the doomed charge of Karaca Bay that mirrors what would happen to Wladislaw later on. It's like a soap opera of action if you take into account what led to the peace of Szeged and Murad's loss of his oldest son to an accident that made him think abdication to a child was a good idea.
>>98236311Sorry I'm just not interested in brown people or ancient warfare. The only interesting one you mentioned is USA vs Barbary... Hmm that's actually a cool idea
>>98236420Stick to ECW.
>>98236420To expand on this, I've been considering doing a 28mm ship vs ship boarding action game of British vs French sailors in the Napoleonic era, but US vs Barbers is a cooler idea. I was just waiting for my new 3d printer to arrive to print them ships
>>98236042I would throw in the absolute clusterfuck that was the same period in east Asia, particularly the Chinese Walord era.
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>>98236472Trolled? Not sure what you're talking about, I'm having a cordial discussion about wargaming
>>98233752Warlord games are essentially ways for British boomers and genXers to play around with their minis with the least engagement possible. They do lack a lot of.... "shine", if I can say.That said, managed to get a couple of Missile Threat games with one of my mates, and we ran a couple scenarios based on F4 vs Mig29, yes I know the Phantoms are a generation behind but with better pilots, better missiles and ships to sink the thing was more balanced than expected.Of course, the Migs were fucking murderous the closer we got, but it is how it is. I'm still amazed at how dynamic MT manages to be, the range/turns limitations push towards decisive play and the system flows really well.
>>98236431Hey really glad you considered a more exotic conflict instead of the same old same old. Keep us posted on your progress anon.
>>98236691OMG le heckin EXOTIC™ brown 3rd world Culture®!!! So much better than more eurotard snow monkies amirite
How come Hougoumont and La Haye Sainte are so famous at the battle of Waterloo, yet and the average person has no idea what Placenoit is, despite it was at Placenoit that the most brutal melee occured and that the french were actually routed?
>>98236765History is written by the victors, and in the English speaking world our entire perception of history has been written by the zionist bongs. In the Hundred Years War, what are the only battles you can name? Crécy and Agincourt, ie. The only battles the British actually won.
>>98236785>>98236765I am a huge supporter of having national heroes and having a certain mythos about them, but the way the Brits glaze Wellington in particular and include him amongst the greatest commanders in history is especially cringe, on the same level of delusion as Turks worshipping the bussy lover Mehmed II. Wellington is a slightly above average commander at best and his legend was completely made by the luck of being present when the right circumstances presented themselves. Wellington spent the entire peninsular campaign literally running from the french marshals and constantly losing ground until Napoleon lost in Russia and had to pull back all he troops in Spain. Whenever Wellington lost on the battlefield, such as Talavera or Quatre Bras the Brits cope. The wikipedia entry will have the battle listed as "results: mixed" or "tactical defeat but strategic victory." At Quatre Bras Wellington got absolutely buck broken by Marshal Ney but the Brits cope by saying "he actually WON because he didn't retreat until the SECOND day!!" like that means anything lmfao. Anyone who has done any actual reading on Wellingtons conduct at Waterloo can't help but chuckle when you see him listed in the top 5 greatest commanders in history
>>98236860Wait til you learn about nelson and his glorious victories at sea (he only won two significant sea battles, both of which he got lucky and found the enemy ships at anchor)((he didn't even survive the second battle))(((meanwhile the royal navy lost to some drunk danes in literal rowboats)))
>>98236860Wellington pissing and shidding himself begging the PRVSSIAN BVLLS to save him will never not be hilarious
Go seek treatment for your schizophrenia.
>>98236519>the least engagement possible. They do lack a lot of.... "shine", if I can say.This makes zero sense, because especially the boomers tend to get quite engaged with their games.
>>98235440Chechen wars, spanish civil war, reconquista, vietnam, ukraine, stone age.
The only miniatures of british I own are ww2 platoon for Chain of Command, but only because I needed some bad guys to fight, and I like their hardware a bit better than US stuff.
>>98236743So, you don't know what exotic means in this context? As a racist I'm embarrassed to count you up in my ranks.
>>98238326Its the one shizo plaguing /awg/ and /hwg/, claiming brown skin should not be shown on miniatures, ever.
>>98238282They're engaged with their models and headcanons an' stuff, not with the rules. The rules by themselves are atrociously simple and barebones: Black Seas (that the other anon tried) is legit puzzling being hyperfocused on 177o-1830 and at the same time incredibly generic, with barely any depth. I mean, GW's specialist games have more meat and fun toys and they were designed for teens, for chrissakes.
>>98236743Meds?
Was supposed to play Barons' War today and the other guy had to cancel. So i think I'll start painting these tents I printed instead.
>>98239860You know what? I didn't post anything because I didn't want to piss in your soup, but I was thinking "of all the stuff to print this one is six BBQ sticks and paper soaked in glue". Turned out better than expected with details that would have been hard to mimic. Good job anon.
>>98239219The rules are just an excuse to meet with pals, drink some beers and play with little miniatures.
>>98239860>Snow basesdiabolical
>>98239929Thanks. The thing about printing for my perspective is just that I can press a button and go study ultrasounds, then come back a couple hours later to completed thing, whereas with crafting I spend a couple hours doing it and probably get my hands all messy.
>>98240076you should use the free time to redo your bases tho
>>98241038Then I'd need a different way to smuggle cocaine.
>>98236042You made me check Empress' range. They say they love the period but only provide White Russians. Did I miss something?
>>98236451It's cool but at the end of the day it's chink versus chink, super interesting history but not the most visually appealing on the tabletop I think. Also I couldn't tell you any big battles or interesting scenarios, just the encirclement campaigns and long march. Maybe the northern expedition. Which is all very interesting to read about but I don't know how you'd wargame this stuff.Americans and Eastern Euros also cannot play anything that involves commies without getting insanely assblasted and it's hard to get people excited about Shaanxi versus Shanxi or Guangdong versus Guomindang if you get what I mean. Personally I love minor obscure factions but it's not for everybody.
>>98244839I should get Mao's little red book and other history books about China's history. Mao and Chiang are both so utterly fascinating. The Ming and Tang are also of interest to me.
>>98244839Dynasty Warriors is pure Chinese vs Chinese civil war and it's a series that's pretty popular in the west.
>>98244839NTA but the time and place is criminally underused: the two opium wars, followed by the first sino-japanese war, followed by the boxer rebellion, followed by the russo-japanese war, followed by the 1911 revolution, followed by the warlords era, followed by the second sino-japanese war. It's a whole century of international conflicts with Honghuzi mounted bandits raiding trains on the side.
I was thinking of adding special rules to janissaries to fit the figures available, like the guys with halberds and swords Warlord sells, but considering how they're already 3+ save with stubborn this feels fucking gratuitous as is.
Finished another bannerman, generic third crusade banner but the heraldry belongs to Guillaume de Châtellerault, died at the siege of Acre, aged 26.
there are 72 unprimed vikings in my closet...
>>98245794>>98245800Dude this is sick, nice one.>>98246418Let them out, lest they never reach Valhalla
>>98246418And what are you doing with them, except for bringing shame to your ancestors with your laziness?
>>98233752The eternal anglo didn't put a gun to your head and force you to play normshit from an era you're not interested inChances are if you end up collecting some pre-1700 minatures you'll get them from a brit because there's only a handful of eurocucks at any one time that cease your embarrassing public cuck fetish over a post-relevance shithole long enough to create something
I'm reading blog posts on the Russo-Japanese war and it's highly unoriginal to read that yet again a (((banker))) in the Perfidious Albion backed the opposing side for maximum damage and white genocide. But reading post like the one above mine makes it all worth it in the long run. Prime unaltered seething.
>>98246418sounds kinda gay bro
>>98248244That's a nice coincidence I was also reading up on it, particularly on the siege of Port Arthur. Thinking about doing a campaign on it and building a board. You have any reading recommendations?
>>98235440Northern crusades are pretty litAlthough I guess Henry of Bolingbroke did go there to participate for funsies so not entirely unrelated
>>98248244>But reading post like the one above mine makes it all worth it in the long run. Prime unaltered seething.Lmao what a copeIf I was wrong you'd be replying to me directly with how instead of this indirect faggotryThe only eurosooks that have made any serious contribution to historical wargaming are a handful of meds and slavs
>>98248271Currently going through this blog, from bottom to top articles:https://1870to1918.wordpress.com/category/russian-history/page/2/The blog belongs to an aspie woman from Smoky Mountains that disappeared during a hike at the same spot she chose for setting in her murder mystery novel.Also check Wikipedia's page about Count Nogi, the Nippon general that took Port Arthur but wanted to commit seppuku because of his high casualties number. The guy definitely took a toll from the mass slaughter and spent his personal treasury to build hospitals for soldiers and petitioned the Japanese government toward the end of his life to build a Russian style memorial to the Russian soldiers at Port Arthur. Decent human being overall.From there you can browse the Boshin war, the Republic of Edo, the Saga rebellion and the Satsuma rebellion for a bit of archipelago funsies.
>>98245069Carried by characters and waifus not exciting strategy or rich history.
>>98249158Don't be a disingenuous faggot. He said it's pretty popular and it is. Full stop.
Outremer anon here, while my mounted lord is Conrad of Montferrat (haven't bought the dismounted mini yet) I have decided to paint of of the Barons War knights as an alternative lord on foot. I present my choice for the next lord, Conrad's nemesis; Guy of Lusignan...Going to be a bitch to paint.
>>98250384Well now that's some petty rivalry.
>>98235440I'm more interested in rules than eras and it's practical that way. I've got friends that are hipsters wanting to do things like eastern front WWI and while there are rules they're not as polished as the eras and conflicts that see more attention.That said I trust Sam Mustafa so I'd like to do Aurelian some day, and I reckon a board wargame or co-op campaign based on Anabasis would be fantastic.
>>98251788You can never go wrong with Sam Mustafa, Philip Sabin and Nick Dorrell.
>>98248244The perfidious bongs have been the villains of history since Cromwell reversed the Edict of Expulsion. I'm not even being facetious or trite, any serious and objective study of history will lead you to this conclusion.
Anyone plays Bolt Action? It seems it's pretty beer&pretzel game from what posts I read here, but still, it's accessible and there's a community ehre that's not modern 40k centric.Just wondering if that's the case here too.
>>98251331>Non-French does not understand honour
>>98253100Any other recommendations from this publisher?>>98253248People here endorse Chain of Command over Bolt Action but if there's a scene near you it beats never ever playing a better game.
>>98251331Wrong Montferrat, Conrad was from Montferrat in Piedmont, Italy.
>>98251331Anon they were both kings of Jerusalem. Lot of squabbling and intrigue between them around 1190, which also harmed the 3rd crusade. All happened in Outremer not in France.
>>98253248You should check it out. We have a pretty active group that's a great way to meet other aging Millennial gamers. We do themed events, eg picrel for D-Day. BA obviously isn't amazing but we have fun and do occasionally work in other games. One thing I've learned in adulthood is to not let perfect be the enemy of good. I'm into horror RPGs have a pretty solid pool of people willing to do CoC one-shots and mini-campaigns with me. That's a lot more than many gamers get, so I'm not going to get mad about not being able to do multi-year campaigns or the lack of interest in some of the niche RPGs I've kickstarted like Sleepy Hollow, Old Gods of Appalachia, and Solemn Vale.
>>98254369I don't know on which sub-Reddit you got this picture anon but it's a master bait. Good job! Is the boomer with his niglet grand daughter photoshopped? I think the Jojo is. I can tell by the pixels.
Small pre-weekend bump
What is your preferred ruleset for skirmish level modern and Ultra-modern stuff? I was looking at Spectre and Asymmetric Warfare.
>>98236042My friend and I are looking at different rulesets for Interwar things right now. I have a copy of Triumph of the Will by lardies that I'm reading through, and last time we did Freikorps stuff we did a skirmish using The Chicago Way. It's one of my favorite historical periods and has so many different conflicts to play out.
>>98253248Bolt action is 40k with historical miniatures, I recommend battlegroup or chain of command instead.
>>98259710>Bolt action is 40k with historical miniaturesDude, stop with this bullshit. Its not true for at least 15 years. Bolt Action plays nothing like 40k.
>>98253248It's definitely not the most historically flavored wargame ruleset and is geared more towards being a balanced game with a tournament scene and all that jazz, but it is fun to play. My club is doing a big Stalingrad campaign later this year that I'm excited to play in. I've only ever played one or two games of BA but it is enjoyable. You're also likely to find players at pretty much every LGS as it's become very popular.
>>98244839The chink had a lot of specop/bandits/bandit suppression where they went at each other with all sorts of stocked machine pistols, swords and knives and pistols with bayonets. Fairbane's Shanghai experience was somewhat universal for the period, making it rather excellent for skirmish scenario games, really.
>>98259770>a big Stalingrad campaign later this year that I'm excited to play inWhat troops will you bring?
>>98259669I wish I could give a try to Ultracombat: Modern. It's from the guy behind Skirmish Sangin.
>>98253248My wife just got me a starter set for Father’s Day so I’ll be playing in 2 months lol
>>98259813I'm playing Germans. I have the Veterans box from Warlord that I got from eBay on a good deal. The guy running the campaign put together a chart of campaign-appropriate units and equipment for both sides. I printed up some terrain for him us to use as well. Should be some good looking tables, if nothing else
>>98259946Good to hear, what army did she get you?>>98260410I got earlywar BEF and early/mid war German. I like the early years, everyone brought out their rigidy machines and ideas from the 20s and 30s and threw them in the melee to see what works and what got destroyed.
>>98259723>stop with this bullshit.Not until Bolt Action is 10 years dead and gone and nobody is left alive who played it. It's not a historical wargame, never has been, and never will be no matter how much you simp for the GW refugees who run Warlord.
>>98204099General question. Looking at getting into Napoleonic or Revolutionary War. What scale do yall recommend and can be played with the most amount of games? I already have a box for both of 28mm but debating if I should just commit to a smaller scale (likely warlords epic or 10mm if I can find some). Seems like majority of rulesets are on a Corp or Divisional level rather then more Skirmish based. >>98253248I do it is what got me into miniatures rather then just GMT tabletop games. I am looking to get into Chain of Command or other rulesets. Want more punch. >>98259770Yeah the campaigns/narrative historical play is kino. Tournie scene I find soulless and it turned me off the couple times I tried it. Just wish I could find a solid group that does those campaign events regularly. I actually got bored waiting for one so I ended up hosting a Budapest Campaign for some close friends that were interested in tabletop games. Was good but want to do a more reactive campaign rather then just jumping around to different battle scenarios.
There's a random train shop in my area. I go in sometimes to check out his terrain buckets for the odd tree and whatnot. Guy comes out with a bucket of 15mm Spanish Civil War. I don't recognise the company but the blister price of £1.35 is historical in of itself. Don't really have an interest in the era but I will probably paint them up as generic sci-fi mooks.Don't know the vehicles either, they look more like 10mm? Can anyone ID them?
>>98266862the vehicules are French, made to move stuff and tow artillery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_UE_Chenillette
>>98266977Cool, and thanks. it's definitely 15mm then since it's a tiny tankette. I thought those little domes were for modelling purposes for guns or something but they are actually real.
>>98267092Yeah the French had some strange vehicules and even weirder concepts, like those head cups and the Stroboscopic cupola on the C2 tanks
Did a spot of painting that Warlord resin is not that bad, but it's not metal that's for sure.
>>98267323We know
>>98259723Yeah sure keep telling that lie to yourself while you shoot an on table Nebelwerfer to a squad that is 10 meters away, yes 100% acurate depiction of history. The mentioned alternatives are much better games, and history games.
>>98267365>The mentioned alternatives are much better games, and history games.Ok, boomer. I'll be here playing Bolt Action with real people who actually exist, unlike the typical """historicals""" player.
>>98267464not that anon, but I've been going to my local club for like 3 years and never seen a BA game. Last weekend was the first time.In the game a StugIII G with a long 75mm came on to the board about 10m away from a Sherman Firefly, it had a perfect shot and LOS to the side of the firefly from 10m away.Somehow the shot missed or failed to inflict damage, and the firefly then turned to face the StuG and destroyed it. From what I read from first hand accounts of WW2, being closer than 500m you can't really miss in tank v tank engagements. From the calculations I have a long 75mm vs the side of a Sherman firefly won't really have an issue hitting/penetrating until you get to like 1000m+.It's an ok gateway game for getting people into historicals, but really depends on the region how popular it is. Last city I lived in I saw maybe 3 BA games in ~10 years of attending wargame clubs.There are plenty of other games to play if people get tired of the BA mechanics and poor balance. Chain of Command, Crossfire, Five men at Kursk, Battlegroup, Ostfront.
>>98267323I MOG you.
>>98267464You don't have friends to play with? The other day we did the duck pond of the new battlegroup kustrin book and I did paper balls to improvise the ducks. The spring awakening campaign was also great. We have not finished the africa books yet since we prefer the eastern front, the stalingrad book is also very good.
>>98267365Nice shift of goalposts you retard. From listbuilding, unit statlines, special rules and how they work, unit activations and lines of sight.. Bolt Action is completely different from 40k. The only thing they have in common that they are roughly the same scale (heroic 28mm and somewhat heroic 28/32mm hybrid).>The mentioned alternatives are much better games, and history games.Which was not part of the question, you autistic sperg. You just wanted to dump your meme knowledge and feel good about it, but got called out.
Sunday morning bump!
>>98267323Medieval period getting some hard love in hard plastic.
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>>98274103>>98274104>>98274108Nice, can almost hear the clinking/rattling from here. What manufacturer are they?
>>98274148Northstar. They've confirmed they're doing these Knights, Knights with Two-Handed Weapons, and then Hussites complete with War Wagons.
>>98274154Ta Anon.
>>98269072He made his point badly, methinks, the real point is: excluding the weird activation system, Bolt Action is 3rd Edition Warhammer 40k where everyone is playing Imperial Guard with some custom rules. Some words are switched around ("armour saves" are the green/veteran modifiers), but it's essentially the same engine. It ain't comparable to newer 40k editions, because new 40k is a completely schizo wargame.
>>98274342>because new 40k is a completely schizo wargame.And that is why its hillarious that people keep repeating this misleading "BA is just 40k in WW2" statement. 3rd edition 40k ended like 20 years ago? Current age 40k has literally nothing to do with Bolt Action (nor with 40k from 20 years ago).
>>98274880>3rd edition 40k ended like 20 years ago?Closer to 30.
Panzerblitz. What a fun, quick playing tactical sim. It just needs hidden counters, opfor rules, half strength reductions and a few more mapboards than just three and it is still very playable. There's something to be said for simple playing games of this period rather than the ridiculous chart reading exercises many other games turn into.
>>98267850That's exactly why we roll dice though. Sometimes shit happens. Maybe the gunner panicked and snatched his shot. A fault with the gun. A dud round. And the lad in the Sherman becomes one of those old boys with a hell of a story in the pub or anniversary TV documentary. Unlike the 99 other poor bastards.
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>>98276763Unlikely events happening to your benefit is a 100% red flag for being a Mary Sue.
>>98278323No? Just means shit happens. I had a great-uncle(? Nan's brother) who was on a ship carrying ammunition across the Atlantic, caught bang to rights by a u-boat. Two torpedos right in the cargo bays, neither detonated. If you need balance, she also had two other brothers she waved off at the railway station and never saw again.No-one talks about all the times the expected happened. When my veteran legionaries chew through some militia, or a heavy cruiser does terrible things to a destroyer squadron I've misjudged the position of. They don't enter gaming group folklore. That one time you inadvertently re-enacted Glowworm's last stand does.
What's your Summer project lads?
>>98283989For now, surviving. I'll probably paint some Vikings when I can put paint on palette without it spontaneously boiling.
>>98284014Did you try a cheap DIY wet palette? It's harsh conditions I won't deny it.
>>98283989Hopefully, the Northstar Hussite War kits. Not sure what I'd use them for, but to be honest I'd just be happy with the miniatures for display.If they're not out any time soon, then I've still got to get my /awg/ Oathmark 1e army started and finished in time to play Oathmark 2e.
>>98284111Yes, doesn't help with all the other heatwave pleasures, like the complete unwillingness to do anything non-essential.
>>98284212Wait, there's no way it's going to release so fast is it? I'm too used to WGA announcing their stuff years prior.
>>98284240I managed to prime my ancient minis since I use too much water anyway when thinning my primer. It doesn't cover as great but I go for three passes.
>>98284280>Wait, there's no way it's going to release so fast is it?They have at least two sprues done, the knights and two-handed knights. If they're showing off the sprues it's usually within a month or three of release.
>>98283989painting 15mm french WW2 vehicles + dragoons portéspainting a 15mm early war german paratrooper platoon + supportpainting a 15mm cold war swedish infantry platoonfinishing painting unit blocks for altar of freedompainting and basing 3mm bronze age egyptians and sea peoplewe'll see how much I'll get done
>>98283989Just keep working on my Barons War stuff.
>>98283989Back to working on Carthage.It's great because I can do Gauls in that army, and that's what I'm focusing on now, but I also don't want to field an army that's just large warbands.Not because I'd hate fielding or painting hundreds of Celts, but because where am I gonna store them and how am I gonna safely transport them?
>>982850983mm printed or metal?
>>98286940project wargaming 3d printed
>>98286956Nice. Do we have a trove for this?
Keeping painting my bolt action got a Fallschrimjager flamer team done, I'll possibly keep the assistant's colour scheme, bit more colurful and match more the early war colour
Released my co-op Vietnam rules chaps.Somewhere between Rangers of Shadow Deep and Metal Gear Solid, but you're a small team of special forces (or VC/NVA) in the Vietnam War. Co-op vs. Flow-chart AI enemies that also become alerted and react to things like gunfire and the sound of running.https://www.wargamevault.com/en/product/573733/infiltrate-vietnam-co-op-solo
>>98276763I don't have a problem with some randomness, the issue is more with the player decisions having an impact on the game - the German player only had 1 StuG in their force, which meant that losing it pretty much ruined their game even though they had a very nice position and irl it would be impossible to miss. In this case the player had made decisions to get the StuG to a good position, but the randomness meant flanking and position were pointless.Good games reduce the amount of randomness so the player choices are more important than the dice rolls. Randomness can interfere with plans, but it shouldn't be the entire reason a game is lost.40K had/has a similar issue where going first, having some good rolls, and/or your list writing (or the specific faction match up) are far more important than player decisions. That's probably the reason people compare BA to 40K - it's a game about lists, luck, and some mild target prioritization rather than tactics and player choices.Not sure about the meta with BA - but do certain factions fare poorly against others? that was one of the hallmarks of 40K and WHFB - some factions literally can't beat others, often regardless of the list or tactics used.
Hello everyone, I've gotten very deep into Napoleonic era in 28mm and I have made a pretty substantial french force which continues to grow. I am considering making an opposing force but I don't know what army I should do. I have some Spanish that came with the Perry Spanish/French box set, but Spanish are ass so that leaves me with a few choices. Either go the Peninsular war route and make a full Spanish force, or an allied British/Spanish force. Problem is that I find the British to be so boring and over represented in Napoleonic wargaming. Secondly, the Peninsular War is incredibly boring compared to the grand battlefields in central Europe. So because of this I'm thinking of just shelving the Spanish and going all in on Austrians or Russians. Which do you think is more interesting, and more importantly, has a better range of available models in 28mm?
>>98288380Good on you Tom. Can a player assume the role of OPFOR if he ever wanted to that or is it strictly flowchart driven?
>>98288500How confident are you about painting white? Because for Austria you'll be doing a lot of it. You also have the potential autism trigger of the switch from helmets to shako, if you want the one collection to do the whole period. Russians also historically had other opponents than France, if that is a consideration.This isn't intended as a putdown of the Austrians; I have a soft spot for them and if I still had my old gaming group I'd have taken the plunge, but they are things to consider.
>>98288500Oh fuck off, every single thread you're ranting about how boring the British are and how overrated the Peninsular and Waterloo campaigns were. Post your fucking minis or fuck off.
>>98288817Settle petal he's been really clear on his wants and needs. He's feeling like fielding some Austrians or Russians over Spanish or British and wants to know which of the former has a better range of miniatures.Anglo fatigue is a real disease and problem anon. Treat it seriously and patiently with love and care.
>>98288888He's been posting the same shit for over a year, he can go fuck himself.
>>98288442My man if I only had 1 (ONE) StuG I would never expose it like he did. Serves him well for being so daring. If I was his superior there will be Hell to pay you better believe.
>>98277064If you want to feel less old, 3rd and 4th are basically the same edition. Since 4th was mostly a compilation of the FAQ, Errata and CA.So technically 3rd was like 18 years ago.
>>98288380Wonder if there are more games about Operators doing Operator things.I'm stuck with my own wargame and need some ideas regarding activation and reaction mechanics.
Done some extremely minor touch ups but now it's on to the shield and then the base. It's Guy de Lusignan for the siege of Acre.
>>98290889>de LusignanNot a random Guy.
>>98288500Was the French and Spanish box a gift?
>>98288778All white is the easiest paint job in the world to me because after a nice white spray paint the job is 80% done. >>98288817>>98288997I've never posted about this topic in my life, I simply posted my opinion. I'm sorry it causes you so much distress that several people some times arrive at the same conclusion. >>98291098No, I bought it. Why?
>>98288706I suppose a player could play the OPFOR, but the idea is it's cooperative. In our last playtest we had 1 player running the OPFOR, but they were just managing the flow chart and rolling the dice for what happens on their random patrols.You can play as a squad of either allies or VC/NVA, so still plenty of opportunities to play as either side, just in a co-op form.Last game had a TIGER random event which appeared and immediately rushed at our M60 gunner and tried to maul him... thankfully he was able to kill the tiger before it did any damage. M60 made short work of it.
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>>98288380Well done. Great to see someone in this thread getting stuff done, like the olden days.
>>98292811Completely unrelated, thank you for Missile Threat. After managing to get some people to play, we're having a blast. The combo of requiring few models, the relative ease yet its depth is working great.Thank you again. I'm now suffering because people want F104s, and I can't understand why.
>>98288817Angloid absolutely seething when his mythology is questioned LMAO! NoThe entirely of modern and early modern British history is a revisionist fabrication to make you sheep feel good about serving the interests of the Rothschild banking system. British history is a history of severe cope. Wellington gets crushed at Talavera and Quatre Bras? No it wasn't a defeated, it was "mixed results!" British army gets absolutely mauled to death niggers with spears and cowhides? Completely ignore it, focus on the skirmish at Rorkes Drift instead!! British commanderrs are so incompetent in the Crimean War they send the light cavalry to charge down a death funnel surrounded on three side by cannons, completely unsupported? No, this isn't an incompetent blunder, just focus on the BRAVERY and COURAGE of the 600 schmucks that got sacrificed for no reason whatsoever
>>98295108It starts even before that. We endlessly have to endure special rules and presence of longbows but if wargaming was a Scottish invention it would be all about schiltron, if it was of Danish origin then the great axe would be the mary sue weapon and if it was a German creation that would be the zweihander. It's cool for the Bong they had their special thing and great victories associated with it but it's one among many in History. It's over-represented.It's part of the game so I'm okay with that but them seething when called out on a real problem is a bit much.
>>98211838The Ninth Age and Warhammer has it
>>98295364>longbow Don't get me started lmao, the English literally lost the Hundred Years War, in a complete and total victory for the French. Yet in the Angloids head they were absolutely crushing the french, with the only two battles they know of being the only two significant English victories at Agincourt and Crècy.
>>98295458They usually cope by saying they were too busy at home so they lost interest more than they lost the war while ignoring the Armagnac-Burgundian civil war that was plaguing France as well as ecorcheurs roaming its country back then. It's a script at this point, like USA and the Vietnam war.
>>98295364>them seethinglmao
>>98295529The saddest cope of all is how the British treat the American war of Independence. I've seen actual renowned British history cope by scoffing "we lost because we just didn't care, it was 20 guys fighting each other in a field" (this is an actual quote). If anything that should be even more embarrassing that the might of the British empire lost against such a "insignificant" foe
>>98295875This one I don't have to suffer when reading rulebooks so I'll give it a pass.
>>98296023I was reading Valour and Fortitude army sheets recently and noticed that the British line infantry are literally just better than the French despite costing the same amount of points. Similarly in Sharp Practice it's the exact same thing, except in SP the British soldiers are astronomically stronger than the French equivalent.I've come to the conclusion that the only way to get a fairly unbiased napoleonic ruleset is to avoid anything that comes from the UK and instead to look for ruleset made by someone from a country who wasn't involved in the conflict, such as Sam Mustafa
>>98288500As for as plastic kits go from perry you have Russians>Infantry>Uhlans(lancers)>DragoonsAustrians >Infantry >Multi purpose cavalry set (curassier, dragoon, etc.)>HussarsAnd Victrix has Austrian Infantry, grenadiers, etc. I personally prefer Russians, though. They were a lot more dogged and the French frequently commented on how stoic and unmovable their infantry were. Russians were notorious for defending their position to the last man instead of retreating. Austrians essentially served as a punching bag for Napoleon throughout the period
>>98296487Which one has a better infantry box?
>>98233868Hail Caesar has a supplement with knoghts/crusaders and ealry samurai (Heian era, gempei war)Fields of glory has two supplements so you can have knights/early crusaders/late crusaders vs later samurai (until the begining of the Sengoku Jidai)
>>98296487Except they gave Napoleon one of his biggest defeats at Aspern Essling.>>98296111Evil cannot create, only criticise the Anglo.
>>98296898Lmfao, Aspern Essling was only a "victory" for the Austrians in that delayed the French total victory by a few days. For the Austrians, a "victory" is saying "well we weren't totally destroyed by the french today, so we won!" In reality Napoleon was defeated by a rickety bridge, not the Austrians. If his makeshift bridge didn't give out he would have kept pouring troops over the Danube and ended the Archduke rightly. Even Archduke Charles himself, who I greatly admire, wrote to his brother the Emperor that night telling him essentially "we halted the french, but I'm still fucked, please come asap"
>>98296942It was one of the most decisive defeats of his military career, but then we are supposed to believe he didn't really "lose" Waterloo from second rate chancers like yourself.
>>98296954>decisive What did it decide, exactly? Because Napoleon won the war on the very next battle.
>>98296967Drove the French away from Vienna, killed 20k French, incl. Some of his best officers. As for Wagram, virtually equal casualties and the siring of a captive Austrian prince Napoleon would never see again?
>>98296942Be elegant and give back the Archduke his victory. The guy needs it.
>>98295108Here you go again with your shitposting. Same talking points, same arguments and exact same posting style. You're a fucking no-games piece of shit that should kill themselves. I'm Swedish btw.
>>98297495Hi Swedish, I'm Dad.
>>98297498Fuck you retard, post a single fucking mini you've painted. You've been asking about what minis you should get for Russians and Austrians for ages.
>>98297503I'm not the person you're arguing with, Anon. Chill for a bit.
>>98297495this, incredibly pathetic to see the lone shitposter still running the same script year after year. How big of a failure do you have to be to think it would be something worth spending time on?
>>98297495>>98297696Yeah posting my own personal opinion, which I have formulated over years of study and historical scholarship, is not shitposting. Im sorry if you can't handle someone else's opinion, but I'm not going to censor myself just because it causes your swedish faggot ass to have a panic attack.You have bigger problems to worry about, like the Islamic rape gangs in your country than getting worked up about whiteknighting for the British empires central banking system LMAO. Notice you aren't capable of refuting a single one of my claims, instead you immediately start sperging out and malding? Maybe you should log off Muhammed
>>98294251That's awesome, glad you're enjoying!Looks like a nasty little island IADS going on there... are those Harriers and A-4s in the backgrond?
>>98297813Nah, we were working with limited models so it's a bunch of F4s in different setups attacking an island chain with some Mig-21s in defense. Mid-Vietnam era. Didn't end too well for the Phantoms, horrific missile failure rates meant that for a Medium AAA they lost two, one to Migs and one to a SA-2. Great fun was had by all, however. Now people pester me for F104s and F105s and it's pain
>>98297810POST MINIS
>>98297868Your turn.
>>98298038Why are they carrying their muskets in the wrong hand?
>>98298038
>>98298038I also continously post my barons war project.
>>98298087Yeah but you're a knob>gambesongate>I'm an archeologist donchyaknow>Britain Derangement Syndrome
>>98298092You should paint more than you shitpost. Maybe then those 3d prints wouldn't look like painted rice.
>>98298098If I used 3d prints very probably (more than one person is tired of your shit)
>>98298102Oh fuck off, nobody cares about you.
>>98298038you're Shrimpyhugs on reddit and posted this image but not mirrored and cropped 2 years ago?https://www.reddit.com/r/wargaming/comments/1aky1ox/brigade_level_napoleonic_rules/
>>98298108Now you're just scattershot proving what a wildebeest's anus you are
>>98298116>redditorSo much makes sense
>>98298117Stop samefagging.
>>98298128>can't read a post countSo you ARE an academic! You paint nice but you're a fuckhead and that's a shame.
>>98298135You don't contribute to the thread, you don't matter. I'm sick and tired of shitposters ruining this general by spamming retarded topics without ever following through or posting minis, battle reports or rules. I used to participate in hosting the monthly painting exercise and regularly made new threads. But what happens these days? One or two shitposters continously attack contributing anons while spamming racism, bait and other crap. Look at the anon that painted desert war Indians, the shitposters keept attacking him until he stopped sharing. So fuck you snowflake, eat shit and kill yourself.
>>98298151As a fellow Aussie I would>defend shitpostingBut also>point out everyone else's deficiencies when the do postNow that I have a good handle on who you are, you're a retard. Why even live in this beautiful British outpost in the Pacific. YOU'RE NOT...UGH...Greek, are you?
>>98298151You literally grandstand about the various inadequacies of manufacturers and it turns out you play 6mm kek
This Melbournian gaywad did Barons War figs in University colours lol
>>98298054Because I'm a random passingby anon that hunted this image on reddit, cropped it, balanced it and mirrored it so it would be harder to track. But >>98298116 found the source anyway. Hats off to him, for he is the hacker known as 4chan!
>>98298170Still the wrong hand fuckhead>your tax dollars at work
>>98298172What?
>>98298160I'm not Australian, what are you on about?>>98298164I don't play 6mm.
>>98298176>pretends he didn't overshare for updoots Or do the mining companies get you to check "Sacred Sites" for vintage VB bottles?
>>98298181Oï mate you're a ciggie butt brain. Post minis or I tie you kangaroo down sport!
>>98298168Cool freehanding! I'm painting some Essex and I'm not so audacious at that scale.
>>98295875Part of the joy of being English is celebrating victories like Dunkirk, Lexington & Coruna,Kipling nailed it when he wrote "if you can meet with triumph and disaster, and treat those two imposters both the same"
Wow that Swedish freak is seriously deranged
>>98299194France lost, get over it.
>>98299205Not french, not my problem
>>98299215Sure? You're obsessed with Britain.
>>98299218I haven't mentioned Britain once
>>98299244Then shut the fuck up.
>>98299252Oh, it's just you Sven
New thread >>98299292
