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Ported from last thread because I thought more about it.I don't mind the IlClan-era but I wish it had more a plot. Say what you will about the Dark Age, but at least it had a plot that moved forward.The plot was, broadly, HPG Blackout, splinter factions rise up, RotS burns down around the Exarch's head, Fortress Wall goes up, Republic Remnant rises, Remnant begins to collapse, Remnant reabsorbed into RotS as the Clans drive towards Terra, Stone lets Clans in for final battle, three months of total war ravage Terra, Republic falls.The Ilclan-era, however, seems to be going no where, with no plotline that moves forward. It's a ton of setting, laying the groundwork and establishing the foundation, but nothing is progressing and there doesn't seem to be a story to follow right now. And CGLs choice to barely move the timeline forward a year after so long isn't helping.So my question, anons, is what sort of story do they need to focus on? What should be the major focus of this era? The building/expansion of the Star League? The Hinterlands? The restoration of the Federated Suns and defeated of House Kurita? The slow but undeniable splintering of the Lyran Commonwealth?
>>98237096>Friend suggests playing clan era mechs>Slap him hard for suggesting to playing non-canon shitNot racist, just dont like anything past the year 3049
Nothing fancy, but the 3d terrain is done. I think it will make the games feel a lot better. I like it.
>>98237136Skip to the year 3165 and focus on the 2nd Reunification War. Star League/Clans dominating and slaughtering everyone else until they kneel before the First Lord
HONOR THE DRAGON!
>>98237136reunification war 2.0
>Friend suggests playing SuccWar era mechs>Slap him hard for suggesting to playing boring shitNot racist, just dont like anything before the year 3049
My Frankenmech ran away to victory in a scrapyard fight hosted at the Steiner arena earlier today. One of my opponents engined the other opponent out and then blew up his own ICE engine from the heat. Victory!
What exactly constitutes "fasanomics"?
>>98237404Shady accounting
>>98237136As mentioned in last thread, that's because the past 5 years have been basically entirely setup with only a splash of story because we've at most only gone 1 year forwards in time over that entirety.We've gotten some rumblings of a major focus in Alaric being stuck in a rut from a mix of "now what?", Devlin Stone's deathbed psy-op of "everything you've done is going exactly according to my plan", and the failure to implement clan society in former Republic territory - before breaking out of it due to the Capellans launching an attack towards Terra, leading him to resolve to become a proper lord.Meanwhile, over in the Free Worlds League, we've got the betrayed-by-Alaric Wolf's Dragoons getting the Free Worlds League to realize how dangerous Alaric and the Wolf Empire are going to be and getting them to gear up for focused assaults while the Dragoons are buying time by going pirate on the Wolf Empire. Similarly, the ripples of the Third Star League declaration sent Clan Ghost Bear into Civil War.The big thing seems to be the formation of Star League with some remnants of the Dark Ages and earlier being resolved (Hinterlands and whatever is going on with the Pleiades Cluster), but we've just seen basically zero momentum get built because of how slow the timeline is advancing.>>98237166We reached the Clan Invasion in 1989/90, anon...
>>98237396Yeah, that picture accurately depicts your retardation alright.
>>98237456>We reached the Clan Invasion in 1989/90, anon...When it stopped being Battletech and became WAACtech
>>98237404Stuff like "oops, we made the number of jump ships way too low at 2000 for the level of commerce the Inner Sphere needs during 3025, multiply that number by at least 10" and other instances where they gave numbers way too low to sustain what they declared existed.
>>98237166But so many clan mechs were invented before 3049.
>>98237477My favorite is the claim that dress uniforms are out of reach of all but the most affluent of mercenaries when getting surplus uniforms and changing out the rank and affiliation markings for an entire unit would cost less than replacing a few tons of armor.
The 48 hours have expired, and our prospective mechs are in. We have 5 contenders to see which will enter production with the Draconis Combine. You should choose the mech best suited to fulfill the requested requirements of “a well armored and durable mech, as effective on the defense as it is on the attack.” falling in the 60-75 ton weight range and costing around 5.5 million C-bills or less. The options are ->>98226907VK-B1 Warden>>98228004SCB-10 Stone Crab>>98229809DZL-1 Dazzler>>98233664MRT-1N Martin>>98235959??? FakkyuVote now on which mech should enter the Combines ranks, and why it deserves the honor over the others.
>>98237690As a completely unbiased party I cast my vote for the VK-B1 Warden, whose creators are most certainly not five guys in a shed who rented a workshop for the inspection.
>>98237690Warden, easily
Post mechsSnow Raven assault star I’ve been working on for a bit. The Dire Wolf is a sculpt I only recently got my hands on.
Continuing from last thread:the 70 ton mech with a 4/6/0 base movement is an omnimech homebrew I've been toying with as a way to get familiar with designing mechs,current stats are:70 tonsstandard engineendo steel10 tons of ferro-fibrous33 tons of pod spacedark age eraadvanced rulescurrently don't have a prime config and am rattling my brain for ideas, thinking a line unit so Brawler role
>>98237690...Wasn't there a Quad?
>>98237855There was, but his posts were deleted. I was sad because I liked his quad and couldn't put it in the roster.
What mech is this? Aren't battletechs normally integrated weapons?
>>98237873This Quad?
>>98237166I don't know which I believe less, you having a friend, you having a game, or you having the balls to throw hands.
>>98237883That's a Space Type Leo from Gundam Wing, from the recent Gundam miniatures game. You could probably spin it as a Panther or something though.
>>98237884Yes, that is it.
>>98237690Warden seems OK, personally don't like cramped cockpit but I don't play with quirks so I can ignore that.
>>98237466I too like vanilla ice cream.But haven't it all day long gets boring.
I like green ice cream. Specifically mint chocolate chip and pistachio. Not sure what that means.
>>98237753I really need to get back to painting, I've just had no umption to tackle my immense pile of gray.
>>98237415Pretty sure that's CGLnomics.
>>98238097No, that's just bald-faced graft
>>98237753Looking good. Love that Omen and will proont one soon. Still debating on how to justify acquiring one outside of the Snow Ravens.
>>98238045>I like green ice cream. Specifically mint chocolate chip and pistachio. Not sure what that means.More in reference that enjoying 3025 era is like enjoying Vanilla.Its a decent taste but gets boring after a while.
>>98238306Clan era and above is eating ice-cream only to discover its 95% palm oil>Food analogy
So it wasn't that their Leopard is actually TARDIS then
>>98238379Or they could have just let their Leopard fetish go and give the players a Union.
>>98238388If I remember right, Unions were even still as available if not more available than Leopards during the late succession wars. The Danais being in general production also would have ensured that the drive systems would be available with some modification. I don't know why PGI thinks that the Union was some kind of lostech Dropship.
>>98238409They like having it swoop in and hover, but that's not even something Leopards can do anyway. The most likely explanation is "we already have the model for it and players recognize it" rather than an actual deep attachment to it or aversion to alternatives.
>>98238425Yeah, I was about to say the Leopard couldn't even do the things it does in the game. That's probably part of the reason why the Union is more common than the Leopard. The Leopard needs a runway to land and the Union is under 100,000,000 CBills more expensive while giving you more space, tonnage, and landing zone variability.
>>98238388They shouldn't have given a player a dropship to begin with if they were going to do fuck all with it. They wanted to do this hub world where you interact with characters and places but then gave up during development.
>>98238388>>98238409May be less the Union being a lostech Dropship and more that Mechwarrior 5 is old enough to have shipped on the PS4, and they would have to have at least in part considered the OG PS4 for everything rather than the Pro version. While there are some effects that could have been sacrificed, a Union is still about twice the size of a Leopard and that could have caused problems running on that system. May be a hell of a lot more room now, but that's the sorta legacy problem you get dealing with games that have been running that long.
>>98237404It's when you make napkin calculations trying to figure out the logistics and economics of keeping Kurita war machines painted red.
>>98238534Not every Kuritan machine is red.
I can’t be the only one who thinks this box isn’t really suited for newfags, right? I think my retarded 10th grade brain would’ve shut down trying to learn with these mechs, the universal grogtech mechs from AGoAC were way more straightforward.
>>98238658Ffs forgot picrel kill me
>>98238663Instant gratification: the boxNewfags will learn all the rules for all the best tech toys, all at once, and be crippled in any era not IlClan
>>98238658>>98238663I have made this complaint myself. Introtech exists for a reason. Try jumping in and trying to explain hardened armor, stealth or VSP without nailing down the basics first.
>>98237753Damn sexy! What blueish-green did you use anon?
>>98238658>>98238663>>98238703>>98238704It gets worse, look at the beginner box, it's got two advanced IlClan era mechs, a Hammerhead and a Kontiro. Apparently they have special variants in the box that drop the fancy gear for regular stuff but even so.I think the worst part, aside from bewildering new players with hyper advanced tech and spoiling them on thus stuff from the outset, is that none of these mechs are backwards compatible. Say what you will about the traditional choices, but samey as they are the old sets mechs could be used from the Amaris War through to the IlKhan era with no issues. These new boxes basically hard lock players into 3045 and on. Sure, thee are a couple of Civil War chassis in there, but that's still not the same.
>>98238790>>98238704>>98238703>>98238663>>98238658>T-there's no RetroTech grog shit designs T_T how am I meant to play forever 3025 shit?! T_TCope, seethe and hang, grogs.
>>98238794It's not about "muh grogs", it's about introducing new players to what is a comparatively complex rule set by modern standards without burning them out, and giving them minis they can use in any era without proxying. I actually like the Kontiro and Hammerhead, but I don't think they belong in a box aimed at brand new players.
Would the 3rd Star League's SLDF soldiers have access to Clan Mechs or would they only use IS designs?
>>98238807>and giving them minis they can use in any era without proxying>Muh grog shitTongue kiss a noose.
>>98238816The Republic produced some Clan mechs so I assume those would be available. However the 3rd SL lost supply lines to at the very least any factories corewards like Sudeten and IDK if the Wolf Empire is in a position to supply them. Who knows how long they need to restart terran factories and if they can make them manufacture additional clantech.
>>98238794>>98238830I see Herb is posting again.
>>98238848Only because he's too chickenshit to suck-start a shotgun barrel
>98238830Alas, it's retarded
>>98238878>Refuses to quote someone to avoid providing (Yous) as he is a (P)Redditer and believes (You)s are the same as UpDootsBack to (P)Reddit with you.
>>98238867Where is Davionman when you need him?
>>98238923Stand in front of a mirror at midnight and shout: "Help me, Davion Man!" three times and you'll hear him knocking on Herb's front door.
I'm sick of every major event being decided by some Mary Sue protagonist like Victor Steiner Davion, Kai Allard Liao, Phelan Kell, Vlad Ward, Aiden Pryde, Adam Steiner, Devlin Stone and Alaric Ward
I wonder why Kontio is so hard to pronounce/spell for so many. I heard someone calling it Konitio in a youtube video but Kontiro is a new low.
The lack of any coherent visual identity is why no one gives a shit about Battletech while WH40K receives tons of fanart
>>98237185Nice, it looks cool! Here is a repost of one of my TUF terrain layouts.
>>98238784>>98238786I like her artwork a lot
>her
>>98239072What makes you say that?
>>98239006Trvth Nvke
>>98238755It’s about a 2:1 mix of AP Deep Azure and AP Scarab Green for the base layer. Then I mix slightly higher ratios of AP Hydra Turquoise into the base color to sponge on the upper edges for the highlights. I use a tiny bit of pure Hydra Turquoise for the last highlight, then hit the thing with a wash of Citadel Coelia Greenshade.
>>98239075Oh I just assumed Gambargin was a lady rather than an Australian man of Javanese descent
>>98238790I'll have to see the rulesdoc of the product proper before I'm willing to make full judgement on it. I could very easily see a three levels of learning the game ruleset of the basic simplified sheets of the existing boxes, one variant designed around the Introductory tech level, and a third built around Standard with all the bells and whistles.And it only locks you into 3045 or later if someone is being anal about WYSIWYG. If the Introductory does it as a "Treat <X> as <Y> that kinda looks like it" so people being brought in are more chill about it, that'd be a good thing for them to be introduced to. Or even if they just put in the cardboad standees for the Introtech ones, that'd be a fine thing as well.Accurate stuff is nice to have, of course, but you really only need the individual stuff to look distinct so you know what sheet is where.
>>98239054Simple, but effective. Yours look to also be more versatile than mine.I have 4 sets in total that cover the mapsheets of Barren Lands #1, Grasslands #2, Grasslands #3, and Rolling Hills #2. The 3d terrain is nice, but as annoying as painting minis can be, the terrain is even more boring. Simpler, but way less interesting. Also, way more expensive than any given mini. Makes sense, but you could get like 20 mechs for the price of one set of terrain. But I also own nearly 200 mechs at this point, so it seemed pointless to get more mechs when I could get some terrain instead.
>>98237887He knew that anon. He's just baiting because he doesn't like Battletech and just wants to talk about Gundam. Again.
>>98238784>>98238786>Measuring.So they're playing Alpha Strike then. AS is played by Clanners and rats. The pure Inner Sphere person is trying to be polite and humor them and they're being assholes. Not a good look for AS players.
>>98239301It says "playing alpha strike" in the corner you stupid cunt
>>98239333So I was right. Not the own you think it is. Just making you AS players look even worse.
>>98239345Did you read the OTHER one, moron? The one that says "Battletech Classic" in the corner?This is why the other wargames make fun of us, you know. Because of you illiterate retards.
>>98239345The same clanner and fedrat are playing cbt as well you blind fuck
>>98238784>>98238786>draw a possum>call it a rat
>>98239362And they're being assholes in that too. Not a good look for you AS fuckboys.
>>98237894>Yes, that is it.Want me to paste the blurb they wrote up from Desu?>>98238658>>98238704>Introtech exists for a reason.>>98238790Yep, it's actually one of the more ingenious facets of the BattleTech rules system; Bespoking off of a simplified core allows you to dial up the complexity of the rules you are comfortable with.
>>98239371Possums aren't rodents. That thing has rodent teeth.
>>98239371I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be a Skaven from Warhammer.
>>98239396Yeah and it's got a possum-shaped head, not a rat-shaped one.>>98239429This would make sense.
>>98239128Decent amount of work, but worth it! They look great anon :)
Drew a Dervish based on the standees produced by a pixiv user called capitan_06. It doesn't reflect any legal variants but I think it could be achieved with a head mounted ML with the Directional Torso Mount quirk as in the Tempest.
>>98239748It's cute, but it really needs another head design.
>>98237477>>98237679When/where are these stated?
>>98238704>>98238790>>98239378I can confirm from personal experience that starting off on IlClan era is a bad idea for beginners. I met two new players that did this and basically opted out of several of the technologies during their play to avoid info overload as they learned. In contrast, I learned with introtech and have been working my way up to Clans just recently.When I finally played with them, it instantly became clear to me that they had been affected by info overload anyway, as they misunderstood core components of the rules. They thought that any hit to internal armor waa a guaranteed critical hit, for example. They weren't aware you had to roll separately for that.
>>98238794>want newfags to start in Dark Age/IlClanFaggots like you are why we can’t retain any decent new players, you don’t throw a new driver in a koeniggsegg, you put him in the $500 toyota camry that’s been running since 1989
>>98240166ilClan needs an retrotech version for beginners.
>>98240182It’s called the Clan Invasion, was what I played for the longest time until I made the switch to Dark Age/IlClan. Great for getting a taste of more complex rules with the choice being already there in some mechs without it being overbearing.
>>98240254I think CGL wants to keep things contained in ilClan so they can have people get attached to the era, though. It wouldn't be too much of a problem to do if they stuck with lower-tier forces that get stuck with surplus hardware. They'd just have to stick with tech that doesn't have special rules or extra mechanics.
Rook!
Dragon status? Honored.
>>98238784need ratwarrior gf
>>98240371How is the Akuma? I've never had much success with it but I want to like it. I wish there was a variant with jump jets and c3
What are your favorite C3 mech variants?
>>98240511The hatamotochi with a C3M has always performed well for me despite shs. The c3s komodo is also pretty fun
>>98240487It's the Temu Atlas (literally, it's designed in-universe to be the cheaper, almost as good alternative to Atlas). It's a solid 90-tonner. Standard engine so it doesn't die to losing a side torso, and I appreciate anything with an LBX-10 after playing against someone who loved spamming VTOLs. The MRM is bad, but at least it doesn't take a lot of weight so it's not like you could have fit anything all that impactful in its place. It's not flashy, but it gets its job done.
>>98239058cringe
>>98240511Sagittaire with the C3Mmoreso because it's got twin lb10 and it's neither tarcomp'd nor a pulse boat
>>98240548Didn't they fix MRMs?
What's this talk about C3 that's not introtech how DARE you
do you guys ever play with prototype tech?like the weird Raven in retrotech that has an electronic warfare suite. or the one with sabotaged triple strength myomer
what's the nastiest tracked/wheeled/hover vehicle you can take that won't get you expunged from your local battletech group?There's an old grog in my local group who likes using tanks and I want to enable that with my 3D printer and more PLA than I know what to do with
>>98241032Von Luckner
>>98238663>>98238658No. New players aren't stupid and the rules for most of that stuff are not actually complicated at all. The biggest difficulty with advanced tech rules is finding where the rules for it are, which is exacerbated by the existence of multiple rules levels.
>>98241131>New players aren't stupidLolLmao even
>>98241276>is that a weapon with rules text attached? aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh, save me porchman!
>>98241131It's this. New players learn to play games way more complex and fucked up games than Battletech all the damn time. Most of this extra stuff in the core set just amounts to a situational modifier here and there. It's not like suddenly the game is becoming Challenger 2000 because oh shit, sometimes a number might need tweaking or they get to choose an ammo type. New players are stupid tactically, not because they can't process more than basic mechanics. Hell, make sure they're introduced to flechs sheets & mekbay to get over the gigantic fucking hurdle of how to create a force (especially one with a theme) and there's even less chance they'll bounce off.
>>98241032I'm more interested in what vehicles you think qualify you to get the boot from your local BT group
>>98241560An entire company of Savannah Masters is ground for a lynching in my parts
>>98241457I'd be careful recommending flechs sheets to a newbie because it turns out automating away so much can obscure how basic rules actually workI played with someone that didn't understand how a simple fall worked because Flechs did everything for him>>98241572This is easily solved by agreeing upon a unit limit before a match. I don't see the problem in bringing Savannah Masters that wayI would walk out if someone insisted I play a match against 50 Locusts or something too because that would be very unfun and take forever
>>98241457>Most of this extra stuff in the core set just amounts to a situational modifier here and there.What damage does your Medium Laser do?
Why do they hate him?
>>98241583>I played with someone that didn't understand how a simple fall worked because Flechs did everything for himOh yeah I specifically mean for getting record sheets and force creation, which are consistent stumbling blocks for noobs, doubly so for anyone used to other systems with more structure. >>98241598In a real game the medium laser isn't in a vacuum, it's gotta be a type of medium laser being shot at something defined under certain circumstances which will be obvious by what's on the table and the record sheets in front of the players. >>98241620ROM agents told them to.
>>98241655>how much damage is my ML>okay new guy so what's the weather like in the AO. what kind of shoes are you wearing. what's your opponent's favorite food. you plug all that into this equation i expect you to memorize today and you'll get your damage
>>98241684Wait, that's a HEAVY Medium Laser, then my Crit EXPLODES it!
>>98240919C3 in 3025 would rock. The CRB-C is basically an introtech crab sans medlas isn't it?
>>98241703That info is at least relevant and on the record sheet, unlike anon's random bullshit that he thinks is somehow proving a point. Because you don't have to memorise most of this stuff, it's just there in front of people, on the record sheets, on the quick reference tables, and in the one (not spread across multiple, thank fuck) rulebook that they'll be looking at.
>>98241781>That info is at least relevant and on the record sheetWhat record sheets do you have that the rules for Heavy Lasers are on them?!
>>98241795The ones CGL won't provide
>Solaris gladiator who uses C3, TAG, and an Active Probe just to style on opponents how much tonnage he can waste and still beat them
>>98241861>NARCs his opponent>only has lasers and an autocannonWhat did he mean by this.
>>98238816
>>98241795You never noticed the little codes they started putting after the weapon damage type (or in their own column in the charts in the back of Total Warfare) to make it clear what a thing is for the purpose of resolving its interactions with other rules? DB for Direct Ballistic, DE for Direct Energy, P for Pulse and so on? If there's an X there is for eXplosive, item explodes when damaged.Try reading your damn rules ones in a while instead of half remembering what your learned forever ago.
>>98241865Giving the vets in the arena PTSD
>>98241865It broadcasts loud music on all channels to disorient them
>>98241943IIRC there's a Highlander that does it, with Elvis
>>98241943Thats a different kind of iNarc ammo pod.
>>98241833And that's a good thing. Fucking learn the rules and get good, or get out. If you have to have everything written down for you at all times your parents and teachers failed you and you should suck start a shotgun. Assuming you don't need instructions for how to pull the trigger engraved on the stock.
>>98241457>>98241131Imma disagree. There's a lot to learn in Battletech from movement to heat to psr's and falling. Introducing a new player and then throwing on a bunch of extra stuff such as "this armour negates some damage" "this one halves it but makes your psr's worse", "this one only works against lasers and this one has a chance to explode when hit but neuter missiles", "this laser gets a -2 to hit, this one has variable modifiers and damage depending on range, this has a -1 and ignores armour effects", "this ammo type lets you roll to score criticals when there's armour left but at a penalty and it doesn't work vs these armour types, it just does full damage instead, this missile does heat instead of damage".....Introtech is called introtech for a reason. I have no idea why CGL is do determined to push IlKhan to the point they are actively excluding new players.
>>98242097Trying Too Hard
>>98242182wanting to have their cake and eat it toothey:>updated the core rules>want to have a product that appeals to newer players>want to have a product that appeals to old playersi can see where they're coming from because if they just did Yet Another AGOAC reprint, every existing player would roll their eyes and not care. if they did New Shit For Pros that would leave newbies buying AGOAC and getting hit with "oh that rulebook you have has these details wrong actually". the compromise is beginner IlClan era stuff because then all groups are being marketed to and no one is being "left behind"
>Highlander>Black Knightwhat would be THE SLDF/Black Watch light and medium then?
>>98242431Crab for medium, definitely.I'm not certain there's really a definitive light because they used a pretty wide variety, most of which aren't even great.
>>98242431>>98242463Light has gotta be Royal Phoenix Hawk no?
>>98240371Aspiring Kurita Command Lance user here: any tips/variant suggestions for running Akuma, Shiro, and Rokurokubi?
why do these faggots think they’re so special?
>>98242680You're not doing enough to refute them. Drop more Helepolises on them.
what's a mech you wish got a IIC version? How would you build this hypothetical version?
>>98242704For being an Unseen, the Valkyrie is really short on Clan Invasion era variants. Bumping it up to 40t also lets it cover how lean choices in that weight are for the Clans' second line forces.
>>98242704StalkerGoliath
>>98242485Phoenix Hawk is a medium, friendo.
I am very literally sitting at my desk with a bussy full of fresh cum and shaking legs and a brand new Battletech starter box from Origins. What faction would I best fit? I used to be an Eldar player before 40k for retarded and my LGS became Battletech territory.
>>98243271That is gross. Please die. Thank you.
>>98243271Free worlds league t. Fwl player
>>98243025I shaved off some tons from it in my memory it seems
>>98243335hellokindly fuck off and kill yourselfsincerely, a Free Worlds League player
>design the coolest battle armor ever>make it exclusive to backwater niggers of the Fronc Reacheswhy did Catalyst do this?
>>98243359Don't hate on me just because I'm right
>>98243363At least the Dragoon's common to mercs. It's not cowboy themed, but the name is basically horse riding infantry and it's quick to don and doff. I wish it had a modular mount, though.
>>98242431Hussar and Hermes would be up there as light of choice for the original SLDF with Royals being used by Black Watch. Mongoose as well.
how come they don't sell Clan Invasion box on the CGL websiteis it just out of print now
Anyone know when we're getting the nect major sourcebook/what it's focused on? Ilkhan's Eyes Only released over a year ago :/
Do you think a light-only lance might stand a chance against a more varied lance that includes an Assault mech? Assuming BV is roughly equalI'm envisioning something like 2 panthers and 2 jenners versus a lance with an Awesome and other stuff
>>98243534The best Kuritan brick lances are those that have a commander. This is usually a group of 5 that has similar range profiles. Like 4 panthers and a warhammer is a classic 5k 3025 Kuritan brick force. You also need hole-punchers. Bumping piloting and gunnery on just lights to match heavier stuff will just get you steamrolled in armor, the same way a clan force will when forced to engage close with cheap IS armor. That's just BV2. It favors whomever brings more weight and armor.
>>98243494Out of print, the minis are being phased into forcepacks>>98243496You're getting new rules first, kiddo, prepare your anus>>98243534Kurita makes a mockery of heavy Lyran formations with fast swarms, so yes?
>>98243569what do you mean by Brick Lance?also 4 panthers + warhammer is 4375 BV
>>98243580Now bump that Warhammer to a proper 3/4 commander.Bricks are lances of same chassis.
>>98243592>Bricks are lances of same chassis.i see>Now bump that Warhammer to a proper 3/4 commander.that's still 4791i guess you can make a panther a 3/5 and get to 4945will have to try sometime
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>>98243608Jenners that flock together warcrime together!
>>98243496New Sourcebook focus is the Periphery, according to rumours and leaks.
What do you anons think is the best 'mech to represent for a design for each layer of the Survivability Onion? (ex. "Don't be There" could be a Sniper 'Mech, while ZombieMechs are "Don't be Killed")
>>98243721>New Sourcebook focus is the PeripheryBased kino
>>98243762An Atlas in every layer is the only correct answer.
>>98243570>Out of printWhat about Mercenaries box? Any info on when that's gonna go out of print too? Or Essentials?CGL gives me anxiety in what I need to be buying now before it's gone forever. Was able to snag Clan Invasion just in time from Amazon. Am considering getting the Deserts and Grasslands paper mappacks on CGL's website before they remove those too...What's more urgent in your opinion?
>>98243883In the ancient history of the game, everything is only printed once. That's sourcebooks and boxsets. That we ever got multiple runs of anything recently is only an abberance.
>>98243883The Mercenaries Box is currently sold out on their online store, with only some limited copies of the Kickstarter version seeming to still be around. That one may be an "available until we are completely out of stock", at least as a standalone, though it could just be standard low stock that will build back up again. Essentials may be in a similar position, but could also end up lasting longer like the Beginner did after it got released.However it happens, the unique models will probably be moved over to a Lance box. I remember they already confirmed that for the Beginner Box ones, and since that is likely for the "molds are expensive, keep doing stuff with the old ones" reasons, I wouldn't see the mechs in them going away permanently.Looks like Essentials is on sale right now if you are really stressed about the possibility of them being retired.
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>>98243883I personally consider everything CGL currently sells as being temporary. Its a matter of time until they stop being able to pay for manufacturing or otherwise lose acess to it.
Where revenant in plastic
>Play the Kestral lancers DLC>Realise that the Capellans were the good guys all alongI will make a Capellan lance my next project
But what if I put a neurohelmet on a horse?
>>98244743With a dual cockpit setup, you'll get a quad mech that will kill itself.
>>98244743https://youtu.be/VpZlvbrk08I?si=D1q6GNUG5pYen6_D
>>98241920They saw what we've been doing here and have copied us. They know we love rolling up random mechs so they created their own table for doing that. Don't ever let anyone tell you that CGL isn't watching what we do here.
Quad mech only quirk: battlemech saddle
>>98244812*sounds of Fronc Reach formations assaulting the Hell Horses holdings*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NuX79Ud8zI&list=RD-NuX79Ud8zI&start_radio=1
>>98242182>I have no idea why CGL is do determined to push IlKhan to the point they are actively excluding new players.It feels like they're doing what Disney did with Star Wars. Except Disney at least had monetary reasons in that they were greedy bastards and wanted all the royalties that would come from sales of their new OCs and didn't want to share the profits(HA!) with George Lucas. So they ended up with all of nothing instead of a piece of some.As far as I know, CGL doesn't have any such situation. They don't make any more money from you buying an illclan mech than they do from you buying an introtech mech.>>98242363>"oh that rulebook you have has these details wrong actuallyThen update the rulebook as updates happen and put new versions of it inside new printings of the AGOAC box. Yeah, some that are already on the shelves will have outdated rules. So what? They player will still have learned most of it.Really though, they need to be very careful with any and all rules changes. Not even so much about what they change, but how often they change. The rules and editions changes may be commonplace to the Warhammer fans, and point balancing sounded nice when I played Star Wars Armada, X-Wing, and Legion, but it also led to situations of showing up for a game and finding out that something has had a point shift or there's been a big rule change and it just kept happening so much that it got real old, real fast.
>>98243335>>98243359You can tell they both belong to the FWL by how they immediately want to go to war with eachother.
>>98244857They do have financial incentive of getting people to buy new TROs and forcepacks. There's only so many times you can release new reprints of TRO3025 and variant sculpts of the same introtech mechs.
>>98243608https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q34Qxl5HINg
Biggest carrot ever?
>>98243883Anon, you're letting them FOMO you. Get a grip now or you'll forever be a slave.
>>98244880>the same introtech mechs.Nobody is making them do this. They're doing it to themselves. Not my fault they still have only made the Commando available in a single box.
>>98244857>It feels like they're doing what Disney did with Star Wars.Make the 50 Shades of Grey to their Twilight?
>>98244901Same with Battlemaster. I'd want to get another Beemer but I'm not going to buy another started box for it.
>>98244841If I was more creative I'd try to make a BT filk version of this song. Unfortunately, it would require more thought than that one BT filk song I did make where I could just substitute some words in an old Star Wars song.
>>98244880There's still at least five or six more force packs worth of introtech and star league stuff they haven't done in plastic. At least two or three packs worth that don't even have new art. The Striker is on one of the most recent ilclan RATs and this is still the main representative art for it.
>>98244916That's a good one too. And we all know that the Battlemaster is just a Commando that has finished growing up. So just what is CGL's problem with the guy?You know, I feel like we should have a list of what mechs CGL has printed and how many times they've appeared in separate boxes. Would be interesting to see.
>>98244943Sarna has a list of everything and what boxes they're in under the "miniatures - Catalyst Game Labs" page. You just need to put them in a spreadsheet. And ignore the older plastics since they're not really the same product line.
>>98243921>Mercenaries Box>with only some limited copies of the Kickstarter versionthis is funny to me because it implies people took a look at the Kickstarter-exclusive version and went "why would I want this if the only difference is I don't get the cool cover art"
I hope they make a new vindicator or griffin
>>98244987They made the special version bland and cost more.
>>98244999What? A single appearance in the Beginner's Box isn't enough for you? So entitled.
>>98245009far as i'm aware they both cost 75, no upcharge on the bland cover art version
>>98244987I picked the generic box over the limited one in my KS loot. What's the point of it other than a faggy signifier of youe place in line to buy merchandise?When they first announced it it was like LIMITED EDITION CARBON FIBER BOX DESIGN which made it sound like it might be a hard box instead of cardboard, and i wanted it then... but they eventually clarified that it was just cardboard in an uglier design
>>98244987>do you want cool picture or no picture?
>>98244901>>98244916I just wait until I catch a sale. I got a Clan Invasion box for $5+shipping with the $20 off voucher from the CGL store when it went out of print. I picked up an open copy of AGOAC for like $37 at my LGS recently. Now they have a copy of the Mercs box with a broken armed Devastator and two Chameleons instead of a Quickdraw for $44 that I'm considering. I don't need any more mechs at this point, but it's a deal. I figure I could always trade/sell mechs I don't use.
>>98244841>Not:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnVCI1PhENQ>>98244923>If I was more creative I'd try to make a BT filk version of this song.Has Goat done it yet?
>>98245055No Quickdraw? Forget about it!
>>98245055I got a really sweet deal recently where I got the>IS Security Lance>IS Assault Lance>IS Heavy Recon Lance>Legendary MechWarriors III>Big (100mm) Mad Catfor 132 USD (this would've normally cost 195 USD plus shipping). Bought it off someone's private collectionI even sold off the Goliath, Scorpion, and Jagermech to someone because I didn't plan on using them, making the total cost even cheaper
I should put together a lance of kuritansI mean two lancesI mean a company
Quick survey:Do you use your game boxes for a purpose different from the original? Or do you tend to leave them intact with everything in the box it came in?Example: I use my AGOAC box to put everything I carry to a game night (rulebook, maps, dice, minis/standees, aids). I leave everything that isn't directly necessary for a game (like novels, unit cards, etc) in the Beginner Box at home.
>>98245071That is legitimately holding me back. What am I supposed to do with 2 Chameleons? A training mech that was at some point used in actual combat?Quickdraws are at least cool and kinda shitty mooks that could show up anywhere.
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>>98245117I could think of some cool scenarios. Kinda like the start of the HBS Battletech vidya where you're in a training run and suddenly shit hits the fan and you gotta fight for real alongside your instructor against bad dudes.
>>98245117Proxy them for anything else, what do you think Chameleons are for?
>>98245117I wasn't kidding. I think the Quickdraw is the star mech of the mercenary box.>>98245114I have 1 AGOAC box, 2 Beginner Boxes(1 of each), a Clan Invasion box, and an Alpha Strike box.I don't have a lot of clan mechs, so I keep them all in the CI box. Seems fitting. Easy enough to remember.The AS Box contains all the various rulebooks and inserts that came with them.1 BB has all the mapsheets.Another is filled with odds & ends.And the other is>Example: I use my AGOAC box to put everything I carry to a game nightused just like yours.
>>98245114I use one to store the rules booklets and random rules inserts from other boxes. One's got all the fluff stuff. One has everything related to Alpha Strike on the off chance I ever end up playing it (unlikely). One of them has all the standees and cardboard terrain pieces. And finally, one has a whole lot of old metal models and bits that I got from ebay and haven't gotten around to sorting yet.
They retconned YLW scheme for good it seems
>>98245324is that red guy a centurion?
>>98245134I like this idea. I'll paint 3 Chameleons and something a little heavier for the instructor as a training cadre lance and try using it as an intro game or something.
>>98245333It's the Wang Hung Lo, with backwards colors for whatever reason. My guess is a fourth generation, 3/4ths white Chinese-American who has never been to Asia was offended by the rising sun and complained about it to someone who wasn't interested in dealing with twitter screeching so inverted it.
What are some good wobbie BA? I've already got Tornados and am looking at Phalanxes. These aren't meant to be MD, just regular WoB Militia.
>>98245393Bonus points if at some point the instructor dies a heroic death holding off waves of mooks while the rookies run to a dropship to escapehttps://youtu.be/tXlLSNPAZs8?si=_zPpqW_6_2WKkHPY
>>98245114I take everything I actually use out of them. The reference cards and maps go on my gaming bookcase, and the models have their own bookcase. Both bookcases have doors to keep the dust out and cats away. The boxes themselves I just throw on my pile of board games. I can't bring myself to throw them away. I carry everything to game night in a Battlefoam bag.
Is HBS Battletech worth $13?
>>98245519Yes, unless it's huge amount of money for you
>>98245430I normally use Purifier Battle Armor Terra with medium recoiless rifles. They jump, 3 do 3 damage, and have 10 armor points. Simple. Basically Elementals without SRMs and cheap enough to run a proper squad of 6. Bonus for being a Word of Blake excusive design.
>>98245519It's really good yeah. I don't recommend the big huge mods because performance can already be iffy, so when people add tons of shit it just gets too slow. But applied in moderation you get a very nice vidya.
>>98245539Bigger Drops is definitely worth it.
>>98245519Get the DLC too if you can, if not you can pirate the GOG version and play it through that. You can play the three big mods without it as far as I know, but the extra maps from Urban Warfare and Unseen from Heavy Metal are worth it. Flashpoint, you basically get it for free with the others and it's a couple more BattleMechs. Don't bother with the Shadow Hawk pack just because it's a skin for a mediocre chassis and you have to buy it seperately.
>>98245539Also the OST is just killerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUb5RsIGJDAAnd you can use debug mode to get free cam shots like this
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>>98245587Ok I'm done
>>98245580The first time an LRM Carrier announces it presence from beyond your visual range is butt puckering. I love the way the missiles come swarming out of the darkness.
>>98245399>>98245324Already asked that question at Origins. Color scheme was considered too difficult to paint. The new one can be done with contrasts in about 20 minutes. CGL says that the number one thing that keeps people from playing miniatures games is the need to paint and assemble things so they're always trying to find ways to minimize those requirements, especially for hero/high profile units (like on cover art) that serve as examples to new players.
>>98245724Smells like a lie to cover for getting rid of the Rising Sun.
>>98244892I'm sorry anon... I got both boxes I was missing... I failed you...
>>98245740It's in line with their explanations for prepainted minis, and why they deliberately sculpted the new minis to make painting with speed paints easier. I think you might just want to be mad.
>>98245519You might get your money's worth out of it.
>>98245769what mods do you run
>>98245399More likely they fear CCP would get their knickers in a twist and confiscate their box sets again. Remember, they forced CGL to scrap the original printing run of Leviathans boxes because the rulebook had a time-period accurate map (the game takes place in an alternate WW1) that had Taiwan controlled by the Empire of Japan, as it was at the time in the real world.
>>98245519for me its mekhq
>>98245756You didn't fail me anon. You failed yourself. Now you'll just go through life, always obsessing over FOMO, until one day it overwhelms you. You'll realize that missing out is inevitable, so instead of trying to not miss out, you'll just say fuck it and ignore everything. It is simply how it works with FOMO.It is unavoidable. It is your destiny.
>>98245773Currently I'm just using BTA3062 again, but I've tried a bunch of different stuff over the years.Initially started with the base game and got all the DLCs as they came out. (Minus the gold ShadowHawk one. That's retarded.) I recommend you start here. It has enough variety to keep you interested and ease you into the game. Give the campaign a single playthrough so you can see just how awful the story and characters all are, then just enjoy the sandbox that is career mode.After that, I started with a lot of basic mods. Most were performance based, but this biggest one was just one that lets you drop more mechs. The thing that will get old the quickest in the basegame, is that you're limited to deploying a single lance every time.Once I got sick of that, I personally went for the BEX mod; Battletech Extended Commander's Edition. It expands on a lot of the game while still being tied to the base game.When you get sick of that, or if you can't find it, check out BTA. The BTA mod adds so much to the game. More Argo upgrades. More missions. Way more mechs. More factions. More weapons. More deployment slots. You can deploy vehicles. The entire Inner Sphere is available to you! It'll probably scratch your itch for a long time.But now we need to talk about RogueTech; the elephant mod in the room. RT does everything BTA does, and more. The territories on the map even change control as you do missions for your faction, so you can help your faction grow in game. Every little thing that wasn't added in BTA, is in RT. It has the entire Inner Sphere, and you can even visit the Clan Homeworlds if you want. It's really big. Now on to all the bad stuff.First off, RT wants you to be online, so that it can update the inner sphere map. The mod makers would also like you join the Discord and participate in the chatting and planning of the factions! Yay! DON'T! That place is a fucking cancer.[1/2]
>>98245773>>98245858Everyone in the Discord takes the game way too seriously. The mods are also biased assholes who will let the players of their favored factions be actual assholes and do nothing, until someone starts to talk back to the assholes. Then the mods are there to silence you for daring to talk back to their asshole friend. The online and "social" aspect of the game is a cancer.Then there's the gameplay. How massive it is sounds great on the surface. Until you realize that you can't even find a fucking Medium Laser if you want one! You'll be eternally poor as every item you keep adds to your monthly upkeep bill. So no saving on to cool weapons for later use. No saving mech parts in the hopes of one day building your favorite mech. You just have to deal with whatever shit you get dealt, forever.The difficulty is also insane. Starting off, you just can't hit anything. It requires so much luck and persistence to just push through. A 30% chance to hit is actually amazing in the early game. Your mech will also probably get hit once by a single machine gun round, then blow up completely and cost too much to repair and you'll have to scrap it entirely.The game also has artillery, which completely breaks the difficulty of the game, in both directions. If the enemy has it, you're going to lose. So the optimal strategy is for you to use it. Then you always win! Yay! How exciting! You just throw down artillery circles every fucking mission because if you don't, you'll lose. I hope you weren't expecting to have some actual mech battles in the late game. It sucks. But hey, the modders expect you to play the game forever, as evidenced by them making it so that your Mechwarriors will only get a mech proficiency bonus after 150 missions in the same mech!The worst thing of all though, is that RT is trying to murder your computer at all times. If you are playing the game, it is using up every resource your computer has. It wants to kill your computer.Fuck RT.[2/2]
>>98245858>>98245917thank you for the big writeup anon. yeah RT sounds terrible but the other shit sounds great
>>98245940You should have fair warning though, that a) most mods make missions take much much longer, especially if you're deploying multiple lances, b) most mods disable in-mission saving because loading those games doesn't always load the mod data properly and can corrupt your save so they're disabled for safety, and c) most big mods have a tendency to crash occasionally at the end of the mission.So there is a very real chance that you can lose 40+ minutes of work when it crashes.
>>98245940The thing about RT, is that at some point, you'll probably still want to try it for yourself. I've even felt like giving it another try again recently. It was about 5 years ago when I played RT. If I do ever play it again, I'm ignoring the Discord entirely. The thought of being dealt a Rotunda, a Battle Armor, and a Proto Mech to start is just not appealing to me.
Thinking about creating a home brew clan called the "Harmonious gold fish" who are constantly starting trials with other clans over stolennmech designs
>>98245767And the other explanation is in line with them employing brian young and greenlighting the things he writes.
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>>98245724Wasn't the rising sun on the Yen Lo Wang completely wrong anyway?
>>98246123Only if you consider the novels canon. The Cenotaph Stables paint scheme was something different in the novels, and then it got changed in the Solaris VII boxed set to the Rising Sun logo, but they didn't go back and retcon the logo in the Warrior trilogy. Now they've changed the cover art back to what's a actually correct in the novels. Yen Lo Wang didn't ever have the Rising Sun scheme during that novel trilogy.
>>98245399I can't find a Wang Hung Lo, is it related to the Yen-Lo-Wang? Found that
>>98246191Nevermind saw YLW initials and other comments too late
>>98245724I dunno, white diagonal stripes don't look that easy either>and much moonrune freehands
Post your WIPs.
>>98246230god this art kicks ass. love the damage on the left arm
>>98245724>keeps people from playing miniatures games is the need to paint and assemble thingsThe best part of wargames is whats keeping thrm out, wut lmao
>>98246286If you are going to participate in these threads you need to be able to notice when someone is relaying paranoid fantasies and not real information.
>>98246286Good thing that painting and assembling miniatures is an entirely optional part of Battletech.
>>98246316Oh.>>98246325Yeah thats a fair, i remember telling people at my club they can use cut outs and they thought i was joiking
>Build a dedicated melee unit>Melee weapons suck in BT for some reason
>>98246339you can use anything. a little rock or a fallen leaf can be a mech as long as all players know what it's representing and can tell which way is "front".you don't actually need to buy anything to play battletech other than having a pair of d6 dice, some paper with hexes and terrain drawn on them, and printing some record sheets from the internet (that last part is just for convenience)the main reason people buy things at all is because they look pretty but it's all entirely optional
>>98246364So house rule it. I bet most players will be willing to go along with it if it's reasonable.
>>98246379I mean in a general sense, anon.
One of my biggest complaints with BT fluff is that most factions millitaries are just "Faction name-armed forces" its a bit dull even if is realistic. Like the DCMS and KungsArmé is so cool. I think it cound be like>Grand Celestial Joint Command>United forces of the Free worlds Leauge >Lyran Gemeinsamwehr-Kräfte>Federal and Royal Armed Forces
Is it just me or does the Raven suck in its intended role? TAG+NARC feels like a waste of tonnage and designs like the Hitman seems to perform its job a lot better?
>>98246364I would say "every day until it wins me games" but this little slapper was part of what dragged my Snow Rats to a win in the AI tourney.Hatchets are only bad in the hands of cowards.
>>98246456Snow Rats is your unit's name? I like it
>>98246456This is just stupid>You hired the mercs because you couldn't handle the rogue Kodiak raping you yourself>the mercs defeated the Kodiak>and you decide to screw over the mercs who unfucked you from the Kodiak you couldn't handle yourself AND who you can't handleI mean there's nothing stopping Katie from rampaging if she decide to here
>>98246529And then they call her a pirate and hire someone to deal with her.Best thing she can do is broadcast their fuckery far and wide so they can't hire good help in the future, at least without paying up front.
>>98246529Isn't this literally why the MRB exists?
>>98246542"we don't have the resources to pay you now but we have resources to put bounty on your head"
>>98246567Yes. "Minister" sounds like a government title to me. They can get you listed as a pirate and offer a low pay, all-the-salvage-you-can-eat bounty for it. Plus other worlds will blacklist known pirates from basically all services.
>>98246552When it exists, sure.
>>98246579That matters only if the mercs care + if the minister survives the rampage
>>98245565I want to like the urban maps, but the scale just feels off. I think they made everything smaller than it should be to show off the mechs.
It only just occurred to me that I can use the lid from my Battletech box as a dice tray. I just need to cover the inside with felt or something. Oh my god why did I never think of that.
>>98246644You can only be declared a pirate in so many nations before it catches up to you.
>>98246413You really want tag and narc on an unkillable armour superbrick that can soak up rounds and rounds of fire without caring, not on a fragile speedster that always wants to never ever be targeted and be running away from an actual fight.
>>98246413ok but have you considered that it's very cute
>>98246664It's a dumb trope with a long history, ultimately imported from noir fiction that involves private detectives without the means to sue for non-payment. In a battletech context it's totally insane to smugly direct a mercenary band to read the fine print when you have just demonstrated the central authorities don't care when you get attacked.
>>98245024Somehow my local friendly plastic crack dealer ended up with one of those kickstarter boxes and I got it for €10,- less than the one With cover art so I guess most people had the same idea.
Two questions about clan breeding programs.1) How often do clans use older bloodlines? Like is the original Nicky K regularly used as a sire or do they generally operate under the assumption that later bloodnamed warriors are genetically superior due to the breeding program?2. Are "incestuous" sibkos ever made? After all two "Kerensky" bloodnamed warriors could have numerous generations of genetic separation in practice despite all being Kerenskies.
>>98246780The second question is irrelevant; Clan scientists cook up the pairing entirely; so they wouldn't combine genetic material that would result in inbreeding.It is likely however that their genetic stock is broad enough over centuries of breeding that genetically diverse matching can be done within the envelope of a "single" bloodname. Some of the more neurotic characters in Clan history might be the product of, shall we say, cutting it a little close; though how much of it is nature is hard to say when the nurture is so batshit insane.
>>98246937Clan scientists are able to pick and choose exact gene expression and use that ability to remove recessive genetic problems if they ever show up. And if you believe the official story, that is all they ever use that ability to do. Everything else is completely normal eugenics allowed to take its course with no direct intervention. Yep, all natural gene expression, all the time. For sure. No space gorilla splicing or deliberate over strenghtening of in-vitro growth genes involved at any point. No sir.
how do you personally introduce new players to force building?i want to ask a friend to pick a lance based on a a certain date and BV, but i know that megamek would confuse them even at just the install stage. masterunitlistinfo (to my knowledge) is friendlier but doesn't even list weapons a variant has so they'd have to go look up each individual one in mordel or something. i could suggest they sign up for mordel and use their force builder but i dont know how noob friendly it might be.
>>98247050i should clarify this wouldn't be their first or even second game. i have previously given them pre-made lances to learn with
>>98247050Mekbay. You can set date, rule level filters and a BV limit.
>>98247065looks sweet, thanks. somehow missed it in the op
>>98247050In my case, I've never had a completely blank start, all of the new players I've helped either came in with some kind of idea already or had a handful of models they got because they liked the look of them. Jumping off of that into showing them how I'd make a sensible force with those options has always been easy, and then explaining why their random mishmash does or doesn't work well and what specifically they could change is an easy follow on.
>>98247050>>98247065Mekbay even has a Force Generator if you're not sure they can pick mechs on their own, and you can give it parameters like any of the filters for era, faction, specific tech level or even individual equipment, movement profiles, armor percentage... They have filters for everything and then you just have to plug in a BV range and a unit count and you can roll up a force in seconds.
>Set all my Mekbay filters just right>Finishing touch: set Quirks to "Bad Reputation">Form a lance of the most looked down upon mechs of the eraMeme lance time. Reject squad.
did northwind highlanders have access to the royal highlander in 3028? because i have an opponent that insists they did, but according to MUL the only availability for those in that era is "HW Clan General".
>>98247413link here https://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1516/highlander-hgn-732b
>>98247413I'd say it's fair game by 3050 because it's such an easy refit but 3028 is way too early, and anyway the point of setting a game then is to not have any double heat sinks etc. Your opponent was being a bad sport and you should seriously consider not playing with him.
>>98247413No, because there was no recovered tech then. Since the Royal HGH uses recovered tech, by definition, they didn't have one. They certainly had Highlanders, and there were enough that Davis McCall is canonically able to buy one with 10 year salary (an Elite pilot makes 3,200 CB/month, meaning that a Highlander in fighting condition in 3035 cannot cost more than 384,000CB, no matter what else anyone claims), but the only Highlanders available prior to 3050 are introtech versions, not Star League equivalents.>obviously, literally anything could be found as a 1-off in a Star League cache. As long as the Highlanders have fewer than 5 of something, it doesn't count toward the MUL, since <5 is the definition of "extinct".
>>98247413I don't see why not. My 3025 Death Commandos have an assault company with 4x Royal Highlanders, 4x Rampage, and 4x Dire Wolves, so if I can have them the Highlanders probably can too.
>>98247490kek
>>98247413It's possible they had one in mothballs, or as a totalled wreck. Definitely not in-use though.
>>98247490I was laughing and then remembered the Wolf's Dragoons exist and now I'm mad.
>>98247540t. Waco Rangers MechWarrior
Here's another weird edge case I found:Sentinel STN-3KB. It's available to the Lyrans from Early Succession War (2781 - 2900) to Late Succession War - LosTech (2901 - 3019). Then there's a gap, and by Clan Invasion it appears to be extinct.What about the intervening years of 3020-3049? Anyone's guess?
>>98247602It's a refit, so they probably just took it out of their approved refit catalogue. There's a fair bit of lore that the Lyrans were cleaning house around that time, they pulled all Scorpions from their forces, and were even trading out privately owned ones. We know this because there was a guy who had one who quit the military so he could keep his historical family Scorpion rather than get whatever they would have given him for it.
>>98247613I also looked up the variant it was refitting (STN-3K) and it lacks the same info. Hmm.The info you share is interesting though, I'll have to look into that
>>98247618 (Me)What I'm interpreting looking at MUL and Sarna is that the Sentinel was just...taken off service completely by the Lyrans after 3019? They had the downgraded SW-era Sentinel up until then, then decided they didn't want it. Comstar kept STN-3L in service. The Draconis Combine came up with the STN-3M in 3035. Lyrans had the 3L return to service by Clan Invasion era
>>98247661They stopped making it in the 30teens because they just didn't care to continue making it. Most likely they went the same way the Scorpions did, if it's state owned, it's gone, if it's private, trade it in for something newer or get ye gone from state service.
>>98237399Kewl.
>>98247677Oh right, I neglected to read this part>(...) with Defiance first losing the ability to manufacture its advanced weapon systems before discontinuing production entirely in 3014 due to lack of both parts and interest. Rather than disappear from the battlefield, the Sentinel began to appear in increasing numbers again thanks to ComStar and its massive stockpile of SLDF matériel, both providing the design to the Draconis Combine prior to the War of 3039 and using it to help outfit its Com GuardsStill makes me wonder why you wouldn't have it be a Very Rare sight after being sold off to some Mercenary unit. I guess literally no one wanted it when repair parts were scarce to nonexistent
>>98246241Shiny.
>>98246241Still working on my Steiner Uber Alles mech. Sidelined temporarily to finish a Vapor Eagle for a campaign game tomorrow (this week we're fighting as Ghost Bears attempting to intercept and destroy retreating DCMS on Soverzene during Operation Revival.)
>>98247726They probably just didn't sell them. They could have been mothballed on some dead desert world or left in the back of a DI warehouse just in case they get some bright ideas or the succession wars kick back into gear. Or they just got scrapped for parts. Individual examples kicking around random mercenary companies or local militia don't always rate a MUL presence, especially if they're not being supplied with replacement parts anymore.
>>98247745I've learned a lot through this little goosechase. Thanks anon. Sad to learn that one of my own Lyran lists was using something it wasn't supposed to be using lol
>>98247763There's a large difference between using an introtech sentinel "out of era" and the guy upthread who was trying to smuggle in a royal highlander.
>>98246241Working on my first BT paintjob, it's a Locust that's gonna be part of the 7th Pesht Regulars.It's definitely been a learning experience, most notably learning to figure out what fucking white paint I'm using before I start, and also that I need to be thinning my paints WAY more than I had been.As it is I'm gonna try to cover up some of the worst non-white splotches on this guy and then get a couple decals on him, because I want him ready for a game I have lined up for saturday.I'm still happy to have gotten a mech painted, next time I just need to do it faster and better.
I'm insterested in starting out, and since the game has a low model count I want to convince my local board game scene to play it with me.Should I buy the A game of armored combat box or the beginner box? I'm doubtful since I still want a few bit of minis but I have a 3d printer so it's not a big issue.My only exposure to the IP is the Mechwarrior series of games
>>98247883AGoAC, although they're about to replace it with a new very imaginatively named Core Box. The AGoAC mechs are more broadly useable than what's coming anyway. The Beginner Box is like a sampler and has simplified rules that could teach bad habits. But it also comes with a $20 voucher for the online store, so it's not the worst value.
>>98247894I plan to buy on Amazon so the voucher isn't of much value to me, 3rd world country n all that.
>>98247727Thanks. I can see my face in the mech, which I'm proud of. It makes for a striking force on the table. >>98247741Very cool. What galaxy is the Vapor Eagle? >>98247882Welcome to BT. Sounds like you know what you need to do. Keep at it.
>>98247882>I need to be thinning my paints WAY more than I had been.Yes you do.
>>98247908>What galaxy is the Vapor Eagle?I don't have a Ghost Bears force, so it's going to be a stand in from Scorpion Empire Seeker Galaxy, same as this Stone Rhino (which wasn't quite finished when I took this pic)
>>98247904I agree with the other anon above that AGOAC is the better option, but don't be so quick to dismiss the coupon for CGL Store. You see, I'm also a third world anon and, while Amazon is my lifeline for BT stuff, there are specific things you will NOT find there.For example: the Grasslands and Desert mappacks are not on Amazon anymore. Only in CGL Shop and (upcharged) at Ebay. You kinda have to go checking everywhere.I resent the fact that I have found zero LGS that carry BT stock. Most had never heard of it, while one perso answering the phone said "oh it was very popular in the 90's but not anymore". I found about 3 stores in different parts of the country that do carry very limited stock.
>>98247931Shipping here is almost as much as a lance box it seems, damn.
>>98247934Recent events have not helped things, to put it mildly.
>>98247931Even in the US it's pretty weird. The best store to buy BT stuff in person within about 100 miles of me is Barnes and Noble. Despite there being half a dozen "LGS." (read: we only carry 40k and mtg)
>>98247939>read: we only carry 40k and mtgthey are a Plague upon the land
>>98247939Didn't they do a deal with Target too? Not sure how common Target is
>>98247945I've wandered into a local Target just to see, and they haven't had any BT product since the first run of Essentials. I think it was just a one and done cash grab move.
Good Toyama, why is the Shrike so fucking expensive?
>>98247969TC'd 98% armored 95 tonner with 2 cERLLs that jumps 5.
>>98247908>Welcome to BT. Sounds like you know what you need to do. Keep at it.Will do. I now have some Vallejo white, which should hopefully be way better than what I was using for the base coat before.I posted here a couple weeks ago with my plan to make my mechs mostly from the 7th Pesht, which had been troubled by their apparent lights-only composition in certain eras (late succession wars mostly). I have now decided that aside from a few heavies which will compose either Lance leaders or a command Lance for my 7th, the rest of my heavier mechs will be the 8th Galedon Regulars. Or, depending on if the timeframe is after the Jihad or not, they will be a merc company that is most certainly not the 8th Galedon, having returned to Combine space after leaving with the rest of the Black Dragon Society and looking to serve the Dragon once more.
>>98247882>It's definitely been a learning experience, most notably learning to figure out what fucking white paint I'm using before I start, and also that I need to be thinning my paints WAY more than I had been.You should really check out /wip/. They have a ton of resources for gitting gud at painting.
Does anyone have old and new sculpt Purifiers to compare? From the pictures it seems like the old ones are kind of slim and the new ones are reminiscent of hulking creepypasta monsters.
do you guys ever do pre-3025 games? if so, what are some interesting breakpoints you've noticed in the earlier eras?
>>98248036>interesting breakpoints2990's is maximum Madmaxtech. People think the fusion engine will be extinct by 3050. ICE tanks are the only new battlefield weapons of the last century. Comstar is at their peak power. The Star League is still a time of myth and magic. The new millennium approaches with equal hope and horror. It's everything old 3025 pretended to be.
What galaxy is this? Didn't know CGB had orange color
The reason there aren't that many amphibious tracked/wheeled vehicles is because of hovers, right?
>>98248189I mean probably. Hovers are cooler and break the laws of physics harder than pool toy tanks.
Lolhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3QKFwZi59vQ&pp=ugUEEgJlbg%3D%3D
>>98248189It's just not very interesting. You have to assume that there are more of them, just like there are probably more than three kinds of attack helicopter in general use in 3025.
>>98247741>>98247908>>98247929Vapor Eagle drying, just needs a clear coat.
>>98248102Obviously "appropriate camouflage"
>>98246364A melee mech just won the Combine anti-clan light mech design challenge.>>98246689She is a mech that only a floof would pilot and thats okay.>>98247413I'd expect a retcon in the coming years considering the occasional SLDF mech appearing in the late succession wars under force manual mercs.>>98247545Wayne Waco proved to be justified in the long run.>>98247602I swear I saw that particular Sentinel in some RAT for 3039 but I could be mistaken? MUL isn't always the best for determining what is available and there are indeed gaps.
>>98248368Sentinels in a 3039 RAT are likely to be the rosebud fit with an ultra but no streak, rather than the -3KB, a field refit with a PPC.
>>98247413Snord's Irregulars did, but they had to wait until 3039 to reveal those
>>98248417I had a look into it further and the Sentinel STN-3K shows up in Historicals Brush Wars and 3039. MUL seems to suggest that is extinct after 3019 which evidentially it is not. I would then say it is logical to assume there are at least a handful of KA and KB's around before 3049.
>>98248368>A melee mech just won the Combine anti-clan light mech design challengeGiven Clan inability to cope with mech melee, that's hardly a surprise. It is a curiosity that Khan Natasha Kerensky failed to warn even her own touman of Spheroid affection for throwing hands. It is as though she chose to disregard her entire experience in the Inner Sphere by deliberate omission.
Wow, how can an entire Quickdraw varisanta across the ages be shit
>>98248527QKD-5K is a demon beast. The Combine produced solid variants over the years.
>>98248546too oversinked
Did the pre-Com Guards ROM have any military branch involving battlemechs?
>>98248559No such thing on an energy boat. It can shoot and shoot and jump and jump and not give a damn.
>>98248563It could drop 4 sinks and still do a jumping alpha strike every turn. This is important because it has 8 tons of armor.
>>98246681In other words, Charger is the perfect NARC platform
>>98248560Not on record, but they certainly had aerospace assets.
>>98247769I disagree. You either use what's listed ok the MUL for your faction, or you're cheating. It's really very simple. You aren't allowed to just ignore the force lists and make up your own.
>>98248596I don't believe that is your honest opinion
>>98248599Availability is a category for a reason, it is not optional, nor is it a suggestion.
Don't feed the troll.In other news I bought the Illician Lancers and 21st Centauri Lancers boxes from B&N over a month ago and am still waiting for someone to bring them over to my 3rd world shithole. A lot of CGL decisions make sense in a very very narrow band of conditions both geographic and economic that simply vanished for good or ill through the recent years. But what pains me is their null ability to adapt.
>>98248523She trained the Clanners wrong as a joke.
>>98237136I dont know a lot about the lore but me and my friends just started playing Ilclan for the first time after sticking to late sucession war for so long and we are having a lot of fun trying out all the different tech. Back to the lore stuff though, where is there a good place to start with ilclan lore?
>>98248742Most of ilclan's setting is built on a foundation of dark age lore.
>>98248368>>98248517Thanks so much for looking into that! I'll have to take a look at the source you mentioned. I guess MUL can have blind spots. Where does one even submit a change request to it?
>>98248648>But what pains me is their null ability to adapt.Their business cannot BE adapted. It depends almost entirely on selling printed rulebooks - which are obsolete and unsellable due to the existence of easily shared PDFs and is why other companies don't even charge for their rules - and on selling miniatures - which are out competed by better looking and incredibly cheaper 3D printed miniatures. Neither rulebooks or miniatures are capable of keeping a company afloat any longer, and that's all CGL has. They cannot adapt because adaption isn't possible, any more than a fish taken out of water can adapt to the frying pan. They can only coast along, dying a slow but inevitable death.
>>98248824>Where does one even submit a change request to it?You show up to Herbs house at night with a shotgun.
>>98248851Then CGL should die.And so should everyone who has ever worked for them or bought their product and enabled them.
>>98248596This is the correct opinion. The MUL isn't optional.
>>98248891no way people actually think like this
>>98245399You call yourself white but you're American and have no ties to any actual white nation, same difference. Even more embarrassing if you're one of those "I'm Scots-Irish!" Americans who ebayed a kilt and thinks St. Patrick's Day is the highest holiday or whatever
>>98248891what happens if the MUL is wrong as evidenced by a canon sourcewhat then
>>98248966Then any disagreements are settled with a gentlemens duel preferably with cannon!
>>98247882The most important lesson to learn before painting white minis is that you should never use pure white base layers. Instead, basecoat with an ivory or light grey and only use pure white for highlights or topmost layers.Even in a situation like your where you seem not to intend to do any highlights or shading, your white parts will look better if you do start grey, do a heavy sloppy pure white drybrush, and then paint the green parts.
>>98248851>Neither rulebooks or miniatures are capable of keeping a company afloat any longerHe said, limp-wristedly, shortly before Games Workshop announced another year of record revenue.
>>98248990I also wonder how much of their revenue also comes from literature and vidya licenses.
>>98248995They quite literally tell you biannually.https://investor.games-workshop.com/annual-reports-and-half-year-results
We need some mechs or other units in the force creation thread over at >>98244978. It's being done with a slight variant of Campaign Operations to add some rolls to the sections that are generalized player choice ones and managed to get a bit in, but now that we're at the more freeform of "pick a unit, roll to see if it is successfully gotten", the typical curse of fuck all people doing anything freeform has hit and there's been no attempts even after a day.Also, should I have linked the MUL or Sarna to avoid this?
>>98249010Not as much as I thought it would be but still a healthy chunk.
anyone else wish the clan Small Pulse Laser had better damage?
>>98249097If you look at it year on year its incredibly swingy. Anything between 5 and 18% of revenue and they obviously have no control of it. There's a very good reason they consider their core business selling models, gaming publications and hobby products.CGL can't do anything like that because they don't make anything. The only manufacturing they have is IWM, which is frankly a joke. It's unsustainable because they have no way to sustain it, everything is totally dependent on them using outsourced foreign manufacturing on the opposite side of the planet and praying the pricing doesnt change and they never lose access to it.
>>98249190It all goes back to Jordan Weisman screwing the golden goose doesn't it?
>>98249226In this case CGL had the excuse of the model licensing split and not actually being a miniature company at all and running on kickstarter money. But now they own IWM it's an awkward situation where they have all of the rights but none of the capacity.
>>98249062You probably should have linked the Xotl RAT's. Otherwise, there's no reason you couldn't have just posted that here and not as a new thread.
>>98249324Dont worry, Loren will find an excuse, or something/someone to blame. Porchs need to be build after all!
>>98249324They should probably try and expand IWM to be able to make shit at volume by adding in some alternative material production like siocast which works very similarly to metal casting, but produces things faster and at higher volume than either metal or resin casting. However that costs money and gained a bad reputation from warlord games and other companies initially sucking at operating the machines, resulting in problems like mold slippage and excessive flash. But really they should bite the bullet and drop 50k so they have some chance of being able to actually make their own product going forward.
Any tips for painting a ’Mech purple without making it look like it belongs to the FWL?
>>98249324I was surprised to see how IWM look inside
>>98249428
>>98249428>Warehouse looks like a warehouse.Have you been around manufacturing before?
>>98249428Most metal miniatures casting places end up looking like this.It's a fucking primitive industry that runs on really, really basic tech. Spin casting on a lot of just one-button machines running at a set rpm built fuck knows how long ago out of whatever parts, ran by old men gradually dying off.
You guys think CGL would be making more money if the forcepacks were still $25 and $35 generally across the board and they invested into production? In 2022 I remember my LGS having plenty of forcepacks for sale and I would usually walk out with a new pack or salvage box every second or third game. Now most of the time local stores don’t even have stock much less anything I’d fork over $35 for. Has CGL even put money into production? Seems like stores only ever have the newest stuff.
>>98249428This is pretty normal. What's odd is that they still use natural rubber molds, which is difficult to work because you have to cut it while its hot and usually more expensive than silicone and is typically worse at capturing detail, but lasts much longer because it's really tough.
>>98249476Stores only have the newer stuff because they do limited runs for everything. They aren't continuing to produce their whole catalog all the time. They only make a small number of things at a time, and once they're gone, they're gone. It sucks, but as the other anon mentioned upthread, despite owning IWM now they still don't really have the capacity to keep making all the things people might want.That, and FOMO does actually work because people are stupid, so making limited runs for things can actually help in the short run. It just has a tendency to make certain mechs hard to get, like the Commando that hasn't been available in anything other than the first agoac box.
>>98249506>and is typically worse at capturing detailNah, it's a difference in hardness. Silicone is stretchier.
>>98249428>Mask cuckLoser.
>>98249514>fomo does actually workmaybe in your area it does, but certainly not in mine. nobody’s buying the new Kurita Boxes, which one store has 10+ of, and nobody’s playing except for a small handful of people.
We've got an anon in this very topic, right here, >>98243883 who admits to giving in to FOMO.>>98249514>FOMO does actually work because people are stupidSadly true.
>>98249613And because people are COOMsomers that can not imagine alternatives to their plastic crack...
>>98249428Better than how it used to look...
>>98248596wrongYou're either playing fine or you're playing like a faggot. You paid for the product and you're allowed to do with it what you want. If you and your opponent can agree to allow a certain mech with justification that's fine, "so you wanna play the game wrong, huh?" is a faggot mentality and you deserve to be lynched for it.
>>98249476Do I think they would be making more money if they sold products for a loss and took out loans to try to become a manufacturing operation? No, not really dude. I don't.
>>98248231>break the laws of physics harder than pool toy tanksNo they don't...>>98248851>It depends almost entirely on selling printed rulebooksThey could do trading card pack standees and you KNOW that shit would sell like hotcakes!
>>98248596Just like it's cheating to take multiple of a unique mech into an era where they are not present for.
>>98248231>he doesn't know
>>98248824>Where does one even submit a change request to it?There's a MUL errata thread on the BT forums. But first, they aren't making any changes until MUL 2.0 comes out (almost 2 years wait so far), and the forums have been down for over a month, lol.>>98248995>vidya licenses.Lol. What vidya licenses? You mean the rights they sold to M$ in perpetuity?
>>98249789i loved it when zubr 770 hovered kilometres inland to engage land forces with its weapons systems
>>98249959It's sanity, not the laws of physics preventing that from happening.
>>98249968And not having SUPER FUTURE MATERIALS to make Hover Skirts out of...
>>98249883It's actually their website that's down now; the OF finished its facelift a month or so ago
>>98248954Struck a nerve, huh? China will never accept you, you are a foreigner to them with a foreign culture they do not like. Get with the program, American.
>>98237722>>98237723>>98237923By a land slide, the Warden get the contract. Any recommendations for scenarios or mech types you'd like to see. I have a few lined up, but I want to see what the thread thinks.
The thunderbolt with MASC is very funny
>>98250046Post yourself in a kilt with your Funko Pops
>>98250074JJ/MASC mechs are very slept on, and an ERPPC and ERML's tied to a targeting computer is very good. It's got a monster BV price tho.
>>98250046They will certainly use him as an espionage vector then abandon him when he gets caught though.
>>98250067Something Clan Sea Fox could be fun and open up for mixed tech.
>>98250067QUADS!
Can 180 tons keep such a massive beast contained?
The answer, is no. As the mechs attempt to retreat, the slowest of them is caught. The Annhiliator, while normally a massive threat, is helpless within the jaws of such a massive beast.
>>98250256Quirks: No/Minimal Arms
>>98250295That's more or less a Thug?
>>98249779Which mechs are unique?
Any idea how to stiffen this dudes rotors? Viagra won't cut it
>>98250394Its regular FDM polymer? If yes, get some heat to soften the blades. Use a heat gun or something similar.
>>98250481SLA resin, It's cured, it's just way too thin and long. I think it needs a more practical solution. I am going to try some wire or paper clips underneath.
>>98250509You open up blender and you fix the model. It should take like 10 minutes max.
>>98250394Nothing in the world will fix that. Cut them off and buy some of those clear acrylic circles for representing spinning rotors.
>>98249779The Hunchback C is not an unreasonable unit to have in 3050!
>>98249789>>98249968>>98249959IRL, hover skirts shred as easily as Anime High School girl's uniforms. Meanwhile, local shipping companies in BT seem to run Zhukovs-sized hovers as overland transports in the Outback.
>>98250669Lots of things in BT are actually super high tech wonder tech. Even ICE engines, they've got in-built fuel tanks that can take any combustible sludge you care to put in them and run for 600 km. Lift hoists are able to grab anything within their weight limits and hold it fast with no chance of dropping it even at rapid speeds with tight turns. Modern cranes have to creep along for safety.
>>98250669>Meanwhile, local shipping companies in BT seem to run Zhukovs-sized hovers as overland transports in the Outback.Perk of several centuries of materials advances, BT hover skirts are likely not related to rubber or plastic as we would know them, could be as outlandish as synthetic spider silk and flex carbon nanotubes.
>>98250765By default it's the Ares since they actually produce them at scale and they don't break themselves from the strain of their own movement.
I swear, the other Blazers will be over-under.But if laser rifles work like vehicle lasers, then putting two of them on the same gun makes some sense - alternating between barrels means you can go pew-pew-pew instead of byuuu, which nobody the thing is pointed at will enjoy. That also would make a Blazer pistol carbines legit good enough to be illegal on many planets.
>>98250704Ah yes the legendary Star League... Steel Wool Armour plating.
>>98249988Hmm. I stand corrected.
>>98237753Are these 3d prints? I don't recognize them
>>98250586They fell off whilst I was inspecting it. I did try drilling some tiny holes for wire but oh well. I did consider getting one of those discs but I don't like em.I'm either going to use flat wire ties or convert it into a radar dish, r-type style.
>>98251391Yeah you can tell from the far left one's panels near the cockpit. Just like my Mackie's hips.
