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>>98259157To go along with this anons question, do you need to have line of site from your models in terrain to models off of terrain?
>>98259162>When was the last time you were excited about something 40k-related?I actually got excited by the Red Corsairs, only to realize its just a single box of five dudes and some characters.
Hey, it's me again. I'm back, with your daily reminder that heavy intercessors are 15 T6 wounds for only 100 points.It gets better though. They also hit on 3's with heavy bolters (but not actually heavy bolters, they're 30" instead of 36", that would be overpowered haha), since they can count as stationary.You know what the real kicker is though? These are not an elite, they're a troop. Meaning they have OC2 and you can take 6 squads. Isn't that crazy?Now here's something that really surprised me. This one threw me for a loop when I first saw it. Did you know that there is actually an even cheaper way to get these guys? That's right, they made a version of them that is 3 models instead of 5, so it's only 9 T6 wounds, but it's only 70 points! Incredible. And this version actually do have real heavy bolters instead of the 30" version. So they're actually better in a way, instead of just also being cheaper. Because why not! Oh? What's that? When these guys hold a heavy bolter, it suddenly gains Blast1 as well? wow! No other heavy bolters in the game do that! Only these guys that are 9 T6 wounds for 70 points know how to also give their heavy bolters, that they all have, Blast1 as well! That's crazy, that these guys are basically only 24 points per model.Did you know that for the same points cost, other armies pay more, for less stuff? It's true! Comparing these guys to the multitude of other Battleline infantry in the game really starts to make you feel like a fucking moron for not playing marines! Purchasing a Retritbutor squad makes me feel like an idiot! A special rule where Retributors get to spend faith points for more accurate shooting? Ha! Just read the Oath of Moment ability dumbass!So anyway, you should buy some Eradicators, Heavy Intercessors, and Eradicators with bolters. They're what we in Games Workshop like to call a "money maker". Happy gaming everyone!
>>98259180>I actually got excited by the Red Corsairs, only to realize its just a single box of five dudes and some characters.Literally same
Re-iterating my question from last thread:>Raider Crusader, 3x units of Multimelta Devastators, Firestorm Assault Force synergy +1str inside 12"+transport strategemsPeople are nay saying devastators being axed. I am inclined to agree but that means legends units which I'm fine with.Any hot takes on this before I drop it?>not my model
Reminder that everyone in these generals is a massive fucking faggot consoomer that doesn't represent the real fans of 40K, most of which are gone, and are nu-fan fucking loser leftoid retards that will do nothing but circle-jerk about idiotic lore bs no one cares about or ramble on about muh stats and muh tournament scene like WH was ever some balanced, competitive game.These generals are embarrassing and you won't get any quality engagement or help with anything, so it's best to just move on and realize that nu-GW is dead.
>>98259190Many are saying this
>>98259190>this triggers the meta posterMeta posting isn't allowed, newfren.
>>98259187The poorly place decal reminded me of my old Land Raider I made when I was a kid.
>>98259162>TQThe Arks of Omen stuff was neat, Boarding actions were fun.
>>98259198I just saw that. That poor dude.
>>98259190So you're leaving, uh?
>>98259190Bro what I love discussing lore its the most interesting part of 40k to me?There are tons of wargames out there, some of which are probably better from a mechanical/balance perspectivethe lore and aesthetic is what specifically draw me to 40k
>>98259208Why would anyone leave when they can doompost about a game they never played?
>>98259190>yfw you realize that there bitter doomers like this faggot actually, unironically exist and waste their precious time in a place they hate
>>98259180I really don't understand why they only come in fives in the box. So odd.
>>98259190It is pretty clear when you chat in these threads for awhile that about 80% of posters started in 10th edition and the rest mostly started in 8th at the earliest. Very rare you come across someone who actually played even as far back as 7th, let alone 5th, let alone 3rd or 2nd. This tells me the churn meme is actually real - most people do not stick around these days, even since 8th. GWs entire business model is to con retards into starting out, they buy a whole army, paint, etc, play a few games, never finish their grey tide, get fed up and quit and them GW targets another wave of newcomers with the next edition release or video game marketing tie in. They've driven away almost all the old fans, like industrial farming erodes a topsoil until you get the dust bowl.
I'm building a a 1k list for this saturday, what detachment should I take if I've got the armageddon box + 5 deathwing knights?
I hate the chubby marshmallow primaris jump packs like you wouldn't fucking believe
>>98259219anything with fall back and charge, since you can be prone to making range mistakes and want the charge next turn
>Making my dudes, wanted some homebrew chaotic abhumans/mutants for my CSM>Came up with Bloody Mammoths, I'm not sold on their name>Khornate abhumans/beastmen with elephant heads because big fuck off tusks are cool>Wear heavy armour and use polearm type weapons>Look for some inspiration online and its a 1 to 1 from some enemy from Dark Souls 2fuck.....FUCK
>>98259190>>98259217This says more about you than anything else.
>>982592178th edition released like a decade ago its not that weird that people grow and do other shit with their lives over time
>>98259222YOU WERE SAYING BROTHER?
>>98259228It was not normal for people to just quit the hobby within 10 years back in the early days. You do not realize how much worse things are now because you weren't around to see the difference.
>>98259217Excellent post full of truth.>>98259208>>98259210>>98259214>>98259226Here's all of the faggots I was talking about. This general is useless and embarrassing, and doesn't even have 11ED stuff up yet lmao.
>>98259190
>>98259229These are much better but still not quite as cool as the classic ones.
>>98259216Perhaps GW intended them to be RC equivalent of Chosen but advertised it rather poorly.
>>98259217>RAAAGGHHH WHY ARE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE EDITION 100% OF LGSES AND TOURNAMENTS PLAY INSTEAD OF MY HOMEBREWED 1.5.3 EDITION THAT I CREATED IN 1989 THAT MASSIVELY BUFFS MY ARMY AND NERFS DERRICK'S SQUATS ARMY FUCK YOU DERRICK
>>98259233“The early days” was like 30 years ago when computers sucked dickWe have so many more options for how to entertain ourselves now
>>98259234>Excellent post full of truth.I mean it's you samefagging so of course you'd agree with it. Also, post a single painted pre-8th model you own or you're a larping faggot
>>98259217When considering the average age cohort of this website combined with the general explosion of 40k's popularity over the past decade isn't it entirely expected that most people you talk to here weren't around for 7th and earlier?I don't think you can really extrapolate the "churn" out of that.
>>98259242stop responding to yourself for attention>your mannerisms are ritual, like the image ritual posters
>>98259235Retarded reply given that I don't think he used even a single one of those words in that entire post.
>>98259234What 11e stuff is missing?lol you’re just whining to try to get some pdfs that arent out yet
>>98259217dying website
>>98259243Even just 20 years ago there was a major difference, zoomer. And our video games were mostly a lot better back then.
>>98259162>TQI've been pretty excited about the 11th edition box ever since I saw that Orks were going to be the little. Brother army. Especially once I saw the models.I don't care how bad the rules get. The models are fun to build and paint and I've been excited to build and paint the Orks.Also, post models and discuss models, gentlemen.I've got the main part to the wartrakk done, bar a few touchups. Working on the gunner now.
Something I just thought of. Is HIDDEN a "Benefit of Cover"? If you remove the "benefit of cover" do things get unhidden?
>>98259181It's not powercreep, its the new standard.
>>98259224>Bloody Mammoths, I'm not sold on their name>Phanagoroloxodon is a genus of extinct elephant. It is known from one species, Phanagoroloxodon mammontoides, which is described from a partial skull from Russia, of probable Late Pliocene-Early Pleistocene age>Phanagoroloxodon>PhanagorPhanagoria was a greek city in the black sea named after its founder, you can have your abhumans called like that because it might be the name of their planet
>>98259254thats great but video games 20 years ago werent algorithmically hyper-optimized to steal your attention to generate ad-revenueI get what you’re saying but if you just want to play 4e with boomers like hit up your LGS I see them all the time
>>98259246These generals used to be really fucking fast during 7th edition and all of those posters are seemingly gone now. You don't find that telling of how modern editions and lore changes suck so bad they've driven away even people who stuck around through the imbalanced hell that was 7th?
>>98259190? post models
>>98259251>what 11e stuff is missing?uh ALL OF IT?! fucking retard, and you faggots aren't even talking about the new edition that literally dropped less than a week ago
>>98259266You know that's a fair point.
>>98259234>do you disagree with me or point flaws in my statements?>you must be exactly the kind of person I was talking about then!delusional
>>98259267It could also just be these threads and this site sucking dick in generalPeople here spent like a solid 2 years aggressively flame-warring with a particular egregious shitposter here
>>98259269the eternal off-topic spam to cope with being called out as a faggot retard tourist
>>98259176If a model is behind a terrain footprint it cannot be seen past it, nor can it see through it. Like here the fire prism and wraithlord cannot see the defiler until it either moves into the open or puts a millimeter of its base on the terrain footprint. Once a model is on the terrain footprint it can shoot normally and recieves a -1 to incoming hit rolls, though a vehicle or monster must have any sliver of the model obscured to recieve the bonus.A model that is at least 3" up in terrain recieves a +1 to hit rolls.
>>98259234>laments about nu-gw and consumers>angry about not having the latest product lol
>>982592173rd Edition vet here. Actually started painting models in 2nd Ed, got a bunch of 2nd ed codexes, but had my first real army game at 3rd.I don't feel old.
>>98259273reddit is that way, take your sorry faggot ass back there where you belong
>>98259270Homie there is a grand total of one pdf for 11th edition lolThe 10e stuff is currently compatibleYoure a fucking idiot and youre trying to bitch to get pdfs that arent out yet
>>98259265Rare quality post
>>98259282So what about that pre-8th model anon? Surely you're not just a larping shitposter, right?
>>98259266I have no idea what's worst, younger generation not actually knowing how shit their things are or being alive to see your good stuff turn into slop.Specially when when both generations have retards that go out of their way to make things even worst for everyone.
>>98259271Based reasonable-anon
>>98259281Ok thank god I'm not the last one.What's your take on the newest edition?
>>98259217I certainly picked an interesting week to come back to /tg/Played a game of 5th yesterday with a friend because they wanted me to try out the Dark Eldar codex from that edition since I only played CSM and CWE during that era. Started in 5th. Played a bunch of 6th, 7th, 8th. Skipped 9th cuz it was mid, 10th was trash and I only played one game of it. 11th is looking to be equally shit. Luckily the lgs in the small town I'm currently in aren't addicted to slurping up whatever slop GW is serving so you can just ask to play older editions or other games
>>98259259no
>>98259274>People here spent like a solid 2 years aggressively flame-warring with a particular egregious shitposter hereThis might be the reason actually: whenever there is an egregious shitposter or lolcow there's always at least one poster that becomes himself a shitposter in opposition to him, and so when that first shitposter disappears the second is primed and trained and habituated for rampant shitposting and ends up lashing out against anything or nothing, like >>98259190
>>98259265>Phanagoroloxodon>LoxodonWell now I know why D&D and MTG call their elepant people Loxodons now
>tq11th actually seems like a lot of fun.It felt like 10th was them rebuilding the game after stripping it down and we're now getting the refinement of that edition in the best way. The way the missions are working now along with terrain being the objectives, I have the feeling that a lot of the tournament catering will disappear in favor of a game that narrative and competitive players enjoy.
>>98259256Only the base left to do on this thing, hopefully I can do it later today.
>>98259277can fortifications get cover? if i get an Aegis Wall, can i deploy it toeing into a terrain piece?
>>98259299it's a name used in many elephant species
>>98259180bro same. I was so excited to pick it up to make them [spoiler[marines malevolent with feral guard[/spoiler] but then I realized the box came with legionnaires, and that combined with the chaos terminators, I decided to hold off until they were sold separately, then it was revealed they were sold in 5s and I decided I didn’t like them that much after all.>>98259216I think it was to test if customers would baulk at seeing semi-elite troops sold in 5s instead of 10s, so if they were a success it would be the new normal.
>>98259305>That model has the INFANTRY/BEASTS/SWARM keyword and is within a terrain area.no
>>98259293It's funny, by the time 9th ended and everyone had their codexes I actually like it better than 8th. But yeah in general the modern editions (post Primaris) do not hold a candle to the middlehammer ones.
Ork Boyz are a lot smaller than I thought they’d be, though maybe Primaris Marines are just big, Firstborn are comparable in size to Boyz.
>>98259292NTA, but I also started with 3rd. For a lack of a better word newer editions lack SOVL.For example 11th terrain rules are very similar to 4th rules and some how manage to make them more complicated for no reason. Why are they insisting with True Line of Sight when it has been an issue since 5th. At least 5th had the excuse with the laser pointer they sold during that time. Keeping it after that? is just insane.
>>98259289Younger kids get to see it turned to shit. Oldheads were still babies and didnt know how good they had it. That's the human condition. Suffering Is.
>>98259267This board in general has been on the decline for years now, it's the same for every general. Even compared to last year we're down like a third of the activity. I expect the same is somewhat true of most other boards.
>>9825930011th seems like a step forward from 10th in every way, but not enough to make me actually interested. 10th just stripped away too much.
>>98259304Looking sick as usual, tsanon. How long did that one take you? What's the plan for your next project?
>>98259333Grim. Dark, even.
>>98259334They will take that with you treasure and then sell it back to you. Piecemeal.
>check out my Thousand Sons army! It's made of Sekhetar robots, defilers, vehicles, tzaangors, oh and an allied chaos knight!>does it have any Thousand Sons?>any what now?
>>98259325Agreed on all points. I don't even know how the current hacks working at GW manage to make a game that feels oversimplified to play, but writes the rules so that they feel overcomplicated to read.
>>98259350This is the tzaangor shitposter again isn't it
>>98259267>>98259339/aosg/ and /wfg/ are down to like a fifth of their speed of what they were in 2019 or so, and whfb was straight up dead as a system back then. It's got nothing to do with the game.
>>98259333All traffic is down here, lots left after the leak that Epstein started /pol/ and this site had a direct link to US law enforcement if someone fed posts. Powers that ben may not want the site to live and IP range ban people until everyone gets fed up and stops posting and gets funneled into discord or something. I dunno I like seeing the discussion of 40k stuff here, its better than elsewhere imo
>>98259292I play guard, very infantry heavy. Fuck the points, I'm going Ogryns and Hydras until they fix shit.
>>98259299Loxodon is the African elephant genus. Mammoths, Asian/Indian elephants are from the other lineage w the high foreheads and smaller ears.
>>98259308I thought Vehicles can get cover too? i guess it's not a vehicle but i thought everything does.
>>98259365Yeah idk if any of that shit matters outside of pol or x anon
>>98259365actually, remember the time 4chan went down for DAYS? Entire boards died. /vt/ migrated to our own board that most of us are still on
>>98259319That might be true but the big turnoffs for me in order were how objective scoring was moved to top of turn, the nonsense about not going first if you charged, and lastly the continued ridiculous increases to space marines RoF. Like, 9E space marine melta guns shoot like 24" and can shoot twice so you can hose a tank and then decide if you want to shoot it again or the boys inside. Shit man, if I wanted to play movie marines I'd play that garbage custom stuff people make where space marines have 30wounds 15 attacks and bolt guns are ap-4 assault 20. Fucking GW rewriting the rules to reflect their bolter porn novels.
>>98259162>TQThe Kroot refresh.And we all know how that went.
>>98259337Thanks! He took way longer than I initially wanted because of some irl stuff. It was actually supposed to be my entry for May collage but it ended up taking almost 2 months. I usually finish a model of this size in 2-3 weeks. I think I'm going to be painting some Tomb Kings next
>>98259387I hope you stay there and never return here.
>>98259365>>98259383I've seen worst stuff posted in reddit, twitter, instagram, facebook, bluesky, discord. Than in 4chan.The only big difference between chans and other social media is that it does not have an ID and authorities might actually have to work a bit in order to silence people. Because if they really cared about protecting the public their first target should be the pedo and grooming central that is bluesky and discord.
>>98259358Nah, I assume you're referring to me from a thread or two ago. I just posted the coven+combat patrol in the previous thread at the end, I'm wondering if me memeing about tsons is making other people post about it.>>98259350With the warpfire infusion detachment, a list that's all vehicles with sorcerer babysitters is really fucking strong. You get so many rerolls every shooting phase it's not even funny.
Where do find 11th ed mission deck so i can play games? Terrain and board set ups etc
>>98259181God I hate Primaris so fucking much
>>98259277That is so fucking stupid. they are just leaning full-tilt into the most gamified tournament bullshit they possibly can and really getting into the weeds with these rules.
I like orks :D>>98259162>TQ:I suppose 11th edition announcement in general seeing as how it has such a large ork focus.
>>98259246Tbf, I think GW has in general gotten better at writing missions since 8e vs middlehammer, and its normal for tables to actually obey the 25% of the table is terrain guideline that existed since at least 5e (I've been rereading my BRB for a homebrew retroclone that's not Prohammer or as abstract and simplistic as OPR).
>>98259390I remember when Space Marine Terminators were T4 W1 Sv3+. on 2D6
>>98259277Isn't this basically 4e area terrain? What are people butthurt about?
>>98259278not angry at all as I don't give a fuck about 11ED. I'm going to pirate it to damage GW as a company for their insane price-gouging and anti-consumer practices, and I'm also calling out nu-board culture of you faggots that can't even get pdf's of new shit up because you're all slopping the juice off of GW's corporate ballsack and/or too stupid to even know how to scan and pirate books. You don't even belong here, you only think you do. Reddit is exactly where you should be posting alongside the trannies with their pink genderfluid marines.
>>98259416This will be forgotten quickly.. remember how long 10th focused on Tyranids? Yeah, me neither.
>>98259353Another strange thing is that weapons options are the same. As in the way they are presented.Why GW has not made the options a bullet point or something less wordy is a mystery. Like the places they could actually improve they simply refuse and add complexion for no real benefit
New WD shows the designated Warzones for 11th are;>Armageddon (Orks and Marines)>Nachmund (Chaos and Marines)>Cadia (Chaos and Marines)>The Nephilim Anomaly (Formerly the Pariah Nexus) (Necrons and Marines)>Bastior (Tyranids and Marines)>Chalnath (Tau, GSC, and Sisters)>Ultramar (Marines and anybody)>The Maelstrom (Red Corsairs and Corsairs, concluded in 10th)>Orgvayr (Votann, CSM, and Marines)Are you looking forward to more Space Marine battles, anons?
>>98259298>be faggot>get mad that real anons call you a faggot>this is your fault!go back
>>98259353>but writes the rulesit seems like they got AI to write a lot of it this time
>>98259426Youre talking about pirating yet youre simultaneously mad that nobody here purchased and scanned books for you lol
>>98259415I hate toeing into shit so, so goddamned much. Stupid fucking american handegg measurements making it so games are decided by laser thin margins when every other asshole I know believes 6.2" is still 6". Most fuckers can't measure a foot by eye if their life depended on it but they'll argue a millimeter makes all the difference while, again, being incapable of measuring their models movement properly. Don't even get me started on the footprint lumps This isn't a mechanically sound game and they're desperate to make folks believe it is.
>>98259418That's great anon. What's your favorite edition? Do you have a favorite nostalgia list/unit?
>>98259444>in order to pirate something, you have to buy it firstngmi
>>98259444Letting Claude write the rules might be sn improvement desu
>>98259447and every tournament turns into two fat guys standing over their models measuring millimeters for five hours before throwing 50 D6 to see who wins. it's more exciting watching some workers install flooring.
>>98259447Even better, all the 11e rules that currently exist are freely available on the GW website, and the page you can download them from is linked in the OP, but our righteous anon never figured that out so he is currently begging others to pirate these free downloads for him.
>>98259437not what happened, but I'm not surprised you need to see it that way to justify your behaviour
I would like to say once gain that I absolutely hate modern GW poses and tactical rocks.They are lazy. They convey little to no personality, are often so bland and simple they might as well be reused, and I don't like paying for the extra plastic or work extra to have my miniature soldier look like a miniature soldier and not a wanna be american video game cover.That is all for now.
>>98259466I told him that earlier and he’s still crying lol
>>98259437the “faggot” in this situation left though. now you’re becoming a faggot by randomly going on schizo rants about nothing.
>>98259466kek who tf are you even responding to you fucking moron? where are the mission and other card packs of shit that should've been in the core rules but have now been yanked out and sold as a necessary add-ons in the finest video game day-one DLC tradition?
>>98259333Its weird how this board/thread has constant business meetings about how it is simultaneously dying and also infested with too many newfags.
>>98259476I have them if you want them anon
>>98259467>n-no!>justify your behavior!you post like a faggot reddit karengo back there and stay, fucking pedophile
>>98259476>>98259481High-cortisol anon
>>98259481Doubling down on projections and delusions won't amount to much, anon.Maybe try an image reply next time.
>>982594483.5-4th golden age I'd say. Stopped at 5th, just came back 8th a bit and 10th.I miss the IG Vet Squad. Ultra customization is so anti-nuGW these days (also loved Nid mutation rules). Kasrkin suck as an alt. So do "Scions". They're STORMTROOPERS dammit. And Agents should have Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. They're not Arbites.
>>98259277>>982594474th was not perfect, but it was very similar to how 11th works.
>>98259481>buzzword buzzword buzzwordpost models
>>98259491Yeah, lot of 3.5 fans. Hard to beat the 3e chaos book or guard book. The rest were solid too and 4-5e have similar core rules.I like that they briefly brought back Exarch powers in 8th.
>>98259216They’re not battleline, they’re infiltrators. They work really well in 5 mans too, you can infiltrate them forward to screen out your opponents scouts then use Sargosa’s Fleet Commander ability to redeploy them into cover/objectives.
>>98259496whatever happened to difficult terrain? I think we need that back. Either D6 movement, -2" or -3", or half movement (round up). For Infantry. Would make Cavalry/Beasts/Swarms be a bit different.
>>982595224th rulesbook and 3rd army rules is how I still play.Being adding changes from other editions like DE codex or the less retarded damage tables.When I was younger, never liked that you could not split fire. Now I understand why it was there, it kept the game moving and forced you to bring a more well rounded army.
>>98259487>continued passive-aggressive reddit karen screechingbro I only have so much bait, please stop taking it I mean how embarrassed do you want to get?
>>98259491>anti-nuGW these daysBlame the fallout on their legal department effectively losing the Chapter House case
>>98259476>whiney cry voice>GIMMMMEEEEEEUHHHH>g-*hic*-freaking just GIMME ALREADYYYYYYUHHHH>*hic* *sob*>jumps up and down stamping feet while flailing arms like an undersocialized child>GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMMMMMEEEEEEUHHHHHHHH>wails intensify>screams at top of lungs>collapses into a pathetic whimpering pile of snot and tears>g-gimmeeeheheeeheeeheee~~
>>98259479hey this anon's alrightrest of you still fags though
>>98259539t. GW paypiggiemeaningless coming from you, droneI bet you wish you had the $500 you spent on one book, some cards, and one starter set back when your mom asks you to start paying basement rent again
>>982595223.5 IG plus the new stuff from Codex Eye of Terror (both Cadian and LatD) is goat. For Nids, I prefer 4E I think, codified the Elite Carnifexes. I used to run 6 back when they were the biggest thing we had. Now my 6 Fexes look so small in a world of Exocrines, Tyrannofexes, and now the Norns.
>>98259543post models
>>98259534>>98259487
>>98259532Split fire made Long Fangs special
>>98259543Im killing it financially brother lol
>>98259540All you have to do is post a timestamped webm of you prostrating yourself before the camera begging “please sir, please sir im a good little faggot cuck sir please” and deepthroating whatever large phallic objects you happen to have on handI have to actually see the back of your throat deform while you choke and gag on it, tears streaming down your faceIf your display of submission is pathetic enough I’ll consider posting them
>>98259407How does anyone play Admech knowing they believe that their technology runs on ghosts or something, doesn't it just make you feel stupid even being near the concept?
>>98259532We were gonna play 3.5 but I'm pretty sure Dark Eldar peaked in 5th at the same time as their huge refresh so we did that instead. Will probably go back to 3.5 if nobody is playing DE.
What new faction would be a deal-breaker on the setting for you?
>>98259560>technology runs on ghosts or somethinghaven't touch admech fluff since 7th. Did reddit started to write leir fluff or something?
Which chaos god has the least gay followers
>>98259560What faction do you play?
>>98259564this is a bad place to ask, this general hates everything. every new faction is a deal breaker, they have all ruined the game according to the joyless troglodytes that frequent this cesspit of a forum
>>98259568Nurgle, but not by much.Chaos as a whole is gay coded.
>>98259564Squats, Custodes and Knights being their own thing is up there. Same with Deathwatch and Grey Knights. Being support was fine like it was during 3rd, them being their own army was just dumb.
>>98259570Tsons, and yes Magnus may have made some errors, and Ahriman may have made some errors, but mydudes didn't have anything to do with that, they're victims of circumstance
>>98259568I was gonna say Khorne but then I remembered lesbians have the highest rates of domestic violence among couples.Vashtorr when he gets godhood? I've still to meet a gay in IT.
>>982595635eb was pretty good except for what, Newcrons, GK, and Guard leafblowers being overturned iirc. Some of that could be mitigated with modern scoring rules.
>>98259579If the deal-breaker faction already exists and you're still here then it cannot be much of a deal-breaker now, can it?
>>98259567ntaI dislike the reverse steampunk shit they made the admech into. Imagine chaos admech flapping their arms to fly and using their dicks to be a tripod.Shits fucking stupid looking. Just look at the stuff the admech makes for other armies and see the shit they "do to their own bodies". They could have 40ft tentacle monsters that looks better than necron shit. But noooo, they need to be italian themed and artist picasso themed shit.
>>98259580How do you play thousand sons knowing they believe that their sorcery runs on demons or something, doesn't it just make you feel stupid even being near the concept?
>>98259564deal-breaker? I think if 40k skaven was ever made I'd be very crestfallen about it. Like GW is really just scrapping the bottom of the barrel to make money. in fantasy they're great, in 40k they just dont fit imo. And 40k is all about making EVERYTHING you want fit in it. But space skaven would be too much for me
>>98259586I'm playing 4th. I'm here to see models and maybe some silly conversion that could work my models.
>>98259298>built for (internet flame) war to combat a massive threat >threat leaves and the creation doesn’t know what to do other than keep the (internet flame) war going>now combats anything around it in order to fulfill its original purposevery orky.
>>98259564Primaris marines.
>>98259602unless theyre female which would be super based
>>98259574I remember everyone being quite pleased with the new nid models reveals
>>98259587I think they got the message on the davinky shit, they haven’t made any more of it, and they didn’t give them a favorable points reduction like the chicken walkers to encourage people to play them more.
>>98259604Primaris marines are basically trans marines anyway.
>>98259564The moment gw digs up one of the lost legions I know there's nothing left in this for me and nothing good left for them to do.
>>98259606tyranids arent a new faction
>>98259595tsons have a a good understanding of what the warp is and how psychic shit works. admech is a bunch of cavemen working with things they don't understand so they made up a god just so they can say "god makes it work"
>>98259608All marines are basically trans marines anyway.
>>98259614So like humans in general?
>>98259612my bad I misread the post as people hating everything new, not just new factions.Were the GSC well liked when remade? Guess they werent totally 'new' to 40k though
>>98259568tzeeentch assuming they don’t engage in weird wizard pederasty. everyone else is too gay.>nurgle>oh my gosh lets all gather around in love and cuddle each other in joy for our gay grand daddy submissive gay>khorne >lets all oil up and go shirtless as we get into big fights and sweat masculine gay>slaanesh…
>>98259619even though most people irl don't understand how a computer actually works, no one thinks it runs on ghosts. if you found someone praying to their computer in hopes that makes it load faster or something, that'd be embarrassing.admech is embarrassing.
I have it on good authority that the new Kill Team box is Exodites vs Nobs on Maiden World terrain
>>98259614The admech have a better understanding of tech than you give them credit for, and the thousand sons have such a poor understanding of how psychic shit works that their two major plotlines specifically involve royal fuckups because they don't know enough psychic shit. And their understanding of psychic shit nowadays is also just a god/demon that makes it work for them.You can say the thousand sons are right because demons actually exist in 40k, but you'll also find out that the admech are also right and that machines too have spirits.So, you got your question on how admech players play the admech knowing they believe in machine spirits, just like you do while you play thousand sons knowing they believe in demon gods.
I have it on good authority that i hate votann
>>98259627Are we really getting space dinosaurs? Is GW really that based?
>>98259626Every time humans have encountered something they dont understand they attribute it to gods which are essentially just personified forces of nature lol
>>98259632no you don’t.t. psychic who can see into your subconscious.
>>98259627I'll be looking at the box with interest.
>>98259639Well well well...
>>98259620Yeah people liked them. Technically speaking GSC got their rules on 3rd and never got an update till 7thFunniest thing about GSC, it really didn't get new units outside of the aberrants.
>>98259627>nob kill teambased.
>>98259633Yes, it's happening.
>>98259620>Guess they werent totally 'new' to 40k thoughby that account the last new thing gw added to 40k were the tau.
>>98259627That would be sick. Don't you be lying to me, anon
>>98259643how would he fare in 40K?
>>98259666I think he would win
thats ITif you guys dont post the FREAKIMG pdfs I wantIM LEAVINGAND IM NEVEREVERCOMINGBACK!
>>98259656Damn GW really has just lived off ideas made in 10-15 years for the last 40.
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98259677Less than that arguably.
Just checking, do your guy's LGSes give a discount on purchases compared to buying online? Mine sells stuff at the same price it's found online. It's still slightly cheaper since I dont have to pay shipping&VAT but still.
>>9825972120% discount on most things, 15% battleforce boxes.
>>98259721you should still toss a coin to the witcher and buy a little more than "online priced stuff"soon as my new army is finished I plan on buying the codex for them when I enter the FLGS for the first time
>>98259721just buy from recasters bro
1000pt metal sisters army that I want to run because I'm genuinely retarded.I wish I had some metal heavy weapon sisters or more repentia
>>98259627>kroot > :|>kroot (Eldar)> :D
>>98259755Kroots gave up on dinosor rather jes goodwin held the studio at gunpoint about not giving dinos to kroots so he could give them to elves and complete his pointy eared wet dreams from the 80s
>>98259738It's nice to get it as soon as I buy and can return in the rare case a sprue is fucked up out of the box, but having a little discount would be nice. I swear that LGSes got a discount for buying in bulk that they pass on as a small discount to buyers.>>98259739Name one? I'm scared of buying from Xiao Shing Suo Bing Xing and getting ghosted after waiting 2 months to get something that looks like ass.
>>98259755Yes
>>98259627>Nobz are the regular kit/squad>exodites is just a single dude on a big t-rexPlz plz plz plz plz
>>98259746
>>98259774Despite the recent red terror box, I don't think they would want to drop a big dinosaur yet.I'm betting on the basic unit of raptor riders, with a dual build, and the nobs are probably going to have both a normal build and a specialists build, like other kill teams they've done recently.so, 5 vs 5
>>98259421Because it's stupid? Frankensteining a bunch of older edition rules doesn't make a game good just because it's similar to fifteen years ago
>>98259256The war trak looks like a fun model for kitbashes. You can cut off the rocket launcher and put whatever you want that fits on that platform on the back.
>>98259755People like when elves deal with nature.People don't like when the hard sci-fi mecha faction has to include savage cannibal tribes in their mecha army.The Tau should be two codexes, one for proper Tau and one for the vassal races, that can ally with each other.
>>98259767>>98259771>>98259802I was quoting me, I'll be glad to see some dino elves
>>98259802>that can allygw can't do that well, if at all, for some reason
>>98259162>When was the last time you were excited about something 40k-relatedI was genuinely hype gFoe the recon squad. I was already themeing my guard army around "veteran" squads and having a couple squads i can infiltrate in with guants ghosts sounds fun.Also the models are cool and im genuinely happy its more cadians and not catachans or tanith. Special snowflake regiments can get fucked.
>>98259814The game has more of a competitive focus now than ever because that is what the most recent new crop of freshly inducted players all want and expect. They're all MtG and /v/ refugees and competitive grind is what they have come to expect.When a game is competitive, allies being even close to too good is a very dangerous road to go down.
i think Guilliman is pretty cool
i think Guilliman is pretty hot
>>98259834I think its just hard to balance and theyre already bad at balancing so
>>98259817The desert capes + woodland camo they painted that unit as gives me US Desert Storm / GWoT vibes
i wanna suck Guilliman’s yummy cock
>>98259845And there are so many combinations
>>98259836>>98259841I like girlsI like boysI like all my fancy toys
>>98259836>>98259841t. Yvraine
>>98259834That makes no sense because armies no longer have particularly narrow playstyles, and what can receive buffs from what is extremely regulated already.It cannot have to do with tourneyfaggotry or balance, it has to do some higher up imperative for sales purposes or accounting.
>Be the only Craftworld Eldar player at my Games Workshop from what I've seen so far>Think about trying AoS>Everyone suggests I should go with ElvesBut why though, I've heard more talk about Dark Eldar players at the store than Craftworld Eldar.
>>98259871I guess if you can have allies it means that you can have more combinations or armies with less units in your collectionAnd they want you to buy lots of units so
>>98259873>But why thoughThey see you liking elves, they think you'll like elves.
>>98259817I might grab one to do a 5 guy recon/commando squad and 2 sniper/spotter duos.Don't know what I'll do with the 10th guy yet.>hood under hoodKinda silly lol
>>98259888>2 sniper/spotter duos.Whats nice is you do get 2 sniper rifles in the kit
>>98259898Yup, that's my plan after looking at the bits from an unboxing video (only place I found to see the bits up close at the time)
>>98259888>Kinda silly lolOne is for sneaking, one is for keeping your head dry.
>>98259924Is that a real thing?t. clueless
>Thought Adeptus Sororitas would be played by trannies as I always hear it here>Actually see women play it>Trannies go for Night Lords from what I've seen
>>98259873for me it's Eldar and Skaven
>>98259965rentfree
>>98259965I play both and im just a normal dudeI play like alot of armies tho
>>98259873Fantasy lore is the one place where Elves aren’t shit on for existing. It’s still not the best mind you, but it’s better than how they’re treated in 40k.
>>98259217I joined back in 8th edition and even back then even someone as new as me to this general was able to clock that like 90% of posters were secondary no models. I feel like tau porn gets posted less so honestly im more inclined to believe slightly more people that post in this general today actually play the game compared to back then.People who played pre 8th also are still around its just everything back then has probably been discussed to death and they all have had their IRL gaming groups for decades to talk about and play earlier editions with.
>>98259965Obsessed.
>>98259965Real talk but the only categories that matter when judging people is>Good person>Bad person>Will do whatever to not think about it/be safeEverything else is projection or anecdotal biast..Very smart guy trust trust bro fr fr
>>98259996Nta but that's not obsession, that's just fucking bait, which is worse.
>>98259965this wasn’t funny or witty when you posted it the first time.
>>98259996>Post this twice>ObsessedWat
>>98259217more of a 4chan issue than a warhammer issue honestly
>>98260013>posts same shitty bait with same shitty reaction image twiceeither obsessed, shitposting or genuinely mentally ill
>>98259162>TQCorsairs, until I read their datasheets and saw 5+ sv and got annoyed.
I am a tranny and my favorite army is the same as your's
>>98260031I can't blame anyone for liking Dark Angels.I'm a faggot btw.
>>98260031Cool, what is your favorite named character that you can play in the game?
>>98260031>emperor’s childrenI know.
>>98260029Eldar this edition are weird. Lot of units moved to WS/BS4+ and we lost Guide and our spells.Meanwhile guard has army-wide WS/BS 2+. GW kinda lost the plot there IMO.Special IG characters I could understand but every single model in a 3000 point list? Bruh. Eldar used to be 2+ on aspect warriors. Custodes are 2+. How the hell are conscripts and random chimera 2+ while half my army is 4+?
>>98259162>TQBuying custodes for the first time in 10th. The codex was a shit-show though. Holy fuck.
>>98259415They can't balance the game for shit so they have to force players to behave by making insipid nonsense.Having been at the Adepticon reveal I can see the trepidation I had is justified
>>98260057Besides wraiths what is 4+ on Eldar?
>>98260057Eldar are an NPC faction. Of course they will not be as strong as the protagonists.
>>98259564>diehardminisI remember my metal and oldhammer style model collecting phase.I’m feeling it again bros.Should I embrace or resist it?
What was GW thinking in 6e and 7e? It feels like they really lost the plot. NuHammer is a lot better to play.
I think grey knights are my favorite space marine. Sorry guys
Why do people paint their army like this? Why is there no variation in it? It shouldn’t be so uniform.
>>98260057The worst part is there's an easy fix: Just make it so aspect warriors get +1 to hit and ignore mods when they're attached to a phoenix lordAs to the guard thing, I have no idea. Cutting their ballistic skill wouldn't even hurt them that much since they have so many rerolls on the best detachments
>>98260102They are the coolest non-/yourdudes/ loyalist chapter. Thousand Sons are the coolest non-/yourdudes/ Chaos marines.
>>98260076Just wraigths and indirect, he's probably a WAACfag that gives us honest Eldar players a bad name
>>98260076I assumed they were including the generic -1 to hit that comes with cover in 11th. It's probably best practice to assume your opponent will have it.
>>98260076Assuming you meant stuff with lower than it used to for bs/ws?HemlockScourgeKabalitesCrimson HuntersAnd of course the Wraithlord, wraithblades, wraithguard.Just a few units going down the bs ws tree when the army broadly speaking is borderline ws/bs 2+Don't worry though, A random loser who got given their first rifle that day is totally bs 2+
>>98260117No he's right just not for that reason. I need to play a biy more but I can't seem to find the cannon part of being made of glass.
>>98260104Pretty nice army, sakura motif is fitting for Eldar.
>>98260029They turned Eldar into glass cannons then took away the cannon. I'm going to build 3 fire prisms because I can't fucking kill anything right now.
>>98259560Anon half the fun of this setting is role-playing as absolute retards with too much power for their own good. It describes nearly every faction in the game.
>>98260114It's not necessarily a balance issue. More a huge flavor fail. Psykers are basically impotent this edition but the magic of orders which was already strictly better than magic (why even use magic to buff when yelling works better?) is now even stronger and guard are more accurate than space elves and space marines - on par with custodes at that! Would have made more sense to shift psyker abilities to pure damage/debuffs or change them to having strategic passives but instead they're anemic and you rock Phoenix lords every battle now.
>>98260104Some people like uniformity in their army. You can paint a chaos faction like thousand sons green and purple, but most people like them to be the blue and gold as they're intended.
>people recommend black library to me>tell them i'm not interested because 90% of the BL is marinepiggy shit>"but anon, there's things like eisenhorn, and gaunt's ghosts, and ciaphas cain!">those titles are familiar>oh yeah they're the same books people cite when they want to pretend 40k isn't grimdark and is nice and lovely akshullypass.
>>98260159Thanks, doc.
>>98259224dark souls 2 is one of the best games ever made so, why not
>>98260159It’s fine to stick to some colors but I feel like it would be strengthend if some of his models either ditched one color entirely or had a different hue to it. When everything is painted the same way it kind of blends in together in a way that doesn’t look good.
>>98260090I'm looking at their latest kickstarter and hoping they don't reach 9k funds on it otherwise it will unlock a new unit of space frogs which mean I'll have to pay shipping and customs for another unit of space frogs.Also I found out there's another oldhammer style maker of space rats called goth rats or something.
>>98259656Sisters of Silence?
>>98260161I liked some of black librarys stuff but you dont have to read it if you dont want to
>>98259721SRP. I'm not in the US or UK.
>>98260176also satyrart is making some 40k stuff, including monkes
>>98259738>toss a coin to the redditlol
>>98260161>>oh yeah they're the same books people cite when they want to pretend 40k isn't grimdark and is nice and lovely akshullythe reddit trio of "ole reliable" for grimdark haters: gaunt's ghosts, eisenhorn and ciaphas cain. overrated rubbish
Eldar became more glass and less cannon this edition, but Dark Eldar became LESS glass and MORE cannon. Skysplinter plus a mini detachment feels fucking fantastic right now. Tried the Kabal and Cult one so far and looking forward to trying the Covens one this weekend.
>>98260161>>oh yeah they're the same books people cite when they want to pretend 40k isn't grimdark and is nice and lovely akshullyNobody ever said that. Like wtf? How are those books not grim dark?
>>98259879the argument there is that allies will encourage someone to add models from other armies to their army.
>>98260204not playing until my pirates can go in the fucking pirate ships
>>98260206they're among the first novels people usually get recommended if they're new, so as a result a lot of people who don't know jack shit about 40k because they're brand new to it read them and imagine them to not be very grimdark (because that's often a new idea for most readers, because they're usually just geeks who barely read anything to begin with and just want to get into 40k if we're being honest), and then start posting excerpts from these novels out of context to justify their "hot take" about how the setting isn't actually grimdark and how that's a good thing, etc. Ends up creating a very warped version of 40k in these people's brains (these people also just so happen to almost always be secondaries)it's mostly a twitter/reddit thing but sometimes happens on this board
>>98260130Are you fighting Scions or Kasrkin? I can't think of how my infantry sqads shoot at 2+
>>98260221This isn't discussed enough.Let the fucking pirates ride in the pirate ships GW.
>>98260161I'm not sure how they would get that;Eisenhorn is about a guy sacrificing everything he cared about to fulfill an unraveling sense of justice, and is left a bitter, damaged wreck.Gaunt's Ghosts are about a diaspora regiment from a lost culture and their slow death by attrition & assimilation while a promise to get a new start is dangled in front of them but will never be given, and they know it.Ciaphas Cain is anomalous, whatever, but it still shows that no matter what you do, the universe of 40k is going to dunk you into deep shit sooner rather than later.
>>98260161fine then read firecaste>main characters are space confederates fighting tau mercenaries and turncoats >space confederates are also hopelessly outmanned and outgunned>marines mentioned once in a throwaway line and never again>characters are frequently killed off as quickly as they are introduced >everyone is neurotic in some way because of how fucked up everything around them is>planet is a no where swamp that holds no meaning but thousands are still dying for it.peak 40K
>>98260176I think I’ll pull the trigger. Same with alternative armies and their laserburn stuff.I need to go on wargames foundry and collect some ex-citadel.Those prices will hurt a bit but it is a small indie company and it is my Canadian duty to keep the uk economy afloat.No need to thank me, bongs.I’m feeling the fake groggery wash over me.
>>98259768>Name one?do you have a shipping address in asia? all of mine come from china via middlemen on the asian version of amazon
>>98260227I genuinely dont know what youre talking about anonI think you might just be making shit up to be upset about
>want to pick up 40k again>buy a shit load of termagants for $1 a model>put together and paint a squad>haven't touched the army in 4 monthsI honestly forgot how soul draining assembling and painting 80+ infantry is, especially once you put effort into each one instead of just contrast slopping them
>>98259965>tranny reaction gif
>>98260249assembly line painting is for bugmen and you can maintain your sanity for much longer by doing one model at a time
>>98260235Idk. Big blobs of conscripts, mostly DKoK stuff, ogryn, bunch of tanks. All 2+Rough riders hit on 2+ in meleeArtillery emplacement get 2+ on shots (-1 for indirect). Tanks hit on 2+.Orders go brrrrrr.
>>98260249Have you considered an airbrush?
>>98260256you came here in 2016 didn't you
>>98260239yeah that's not what these fuckers communicate to me. it's just>here's like an entire page from this novel that says that the imperium is heckin' wholesome chungus reddit. look at how heckin' wholesome cain and gaunt are. look at how nice the galaxy is. did you know the imperium is actually peaceful and has better quality of life than modern first world countries for 99% of the population?? here's a page from this eisenhorn novel that doesn't communicate that at all. did you know that grimdark is holding this franchise back?? did you know i will never pick up and paint a mini in my entire life? did you know that I fucking despise 40k as a setting but love my hecking wholesome dan abnettrino novels???it's gay and retarded
>>98260057>>98260114>>98260157how do guard get army wide BS2+? I know Kasrkin are BS3 base and lots of other units that aren't even remotely elites moved from BS4 to BS3 base and that Kasrkin can get 3 fucking orders active at once when led by ursula creed but most of their army is still at BS4+ no?Also funny story one of the guard players at my LGS ragequit before 11th was even officially out because guard squads went from 65 to 75 points for a squad of 10 to compensate for the plasma and melta guard squads got for free all of 10th. (Guardsmen squads stayed at the exact same points they were in 9th when 10th launched despite all wargear being free)
>>98260241this sounds awesome actually. thank you for an actually decent sounding recommendation that seems to match the same vibes as the rulebooks, codices and campaign books.
>>98260267Don't airbrush setups usually cost over $500 USD? You need like, a billion other high costing things than the airbrush which already costs like 150-200 dollars, right???
>>98260190Jokaero - as in 'Jokaero digital lasers' - a laser pistol the size of a finger ring, you wear as a ring
>>98260266Forgot the 5-man squads of infantry that do d6 automatic mortals and also hit on 2+Or the veterans but you know, veterans make sense so I'm not gonna whine about elite troops.
>>98260245NTA but he's right. Though personally wouldn't say it's primarily a reddit problem, considering that it primarily originates from 1d4chan editors' influence and then spread to fester on other sites like reddit, as does much of the cancerous misinformation that pervades the 40k online space. You haven't been to enough secondary-infested spaces online. You are lucky.
I really like the new Defiler, they look great.As a Death Guard player is it likely I would ever need two?
>>98260182custodes were there, sisters of battle were there, blanche's plentyful of femme fatale artworks was there, the emperor needing the tithe of psykers was there, blanks were there, dune's fish speakers and bene gesserit were next doorso yeah, technically they were made a few short years after the tau, but do we really count them as a new thing?
>>98260287Ork and Tau elites don't get better BS or WS outside of like 1 unit in the army
>>98260161Tbf, when it comes to Marineslop, I quite liked Dead Sky, Black Sun. It's got a daemon train.
>>98260272>id you know the imperium is actually peaceful and has better quality of life than modern first world countries for 99% of the population??this has always been a super weird point when i see it made by basically anyone. like, if 99% of imperium planets are nice (it's not, we have numbers for the amount of hive worlds and they range from 30,000 to 250,000 so it's either 97% or 75%), what does that matter when the vast, vast, vast majority of people will be born, live, and die in hive world shitholes never even seeing the light of the sun? humans in 40k are treated as insects on average. it's like saying "why complain about the size of your property? there's so much wilderness on the planet!"
>>98260296it's basically an in-house chaos knight dawg you don't need more than one unless you are waacfagging
>>98260276Orders>>98260285Not really. It's like 50-80 for the airbrush, another 100-150 for the compressor, and maybe 20 for cleaning supplies. You can use thinned mini paints without needing dedicated airbrush ones.You don't need the air tank. It just makes shit quieter.
>>98260199The best and worst thing about Abnett us that he doesn't care that much about the Deep Lore, or at least he didn't at that point. I haven't read much HH.
>>98260305this. just because a small 99% white town in rural france or switzerland is paradise doesn't mean that india isn't hell. and 1/6th of the planet is in that hell and rising.
>>98260259I did that and it didn't helpotherwise I'd have 80 base coated gants instead of 10 finished ones>>98260267the airbrush is a good tool that I use frequently but I hate the look of entirely airbrushed armiespic rel
>>98260199>>98260315>says abnett isn't grimdark>meanwhile his latest (Hive) is a shit ton of suffering
>>98260323very nice, I like it
>>98260312>probably 300 dollars to start fucking airbrushing plus the necessary paintsFUCK.
>>98260287>d6 automatic mortals and also hit on 2+Its d3 mortals on roll of 3+ (2d3 if it's a vehicle) and they are bs4 base
>>98260331nta but early abnett wasn't that grimdark. modern abnett IS though
Not every single fucking thing needs to be grimdark all the time lol
>>98260350I guess but even in Eisenhorn you had pleasure slaves, body horror, mindrape non-Euclidian space etc. its just juxtaposed vs a couple decent civilized trade worlds and a wealthy ship owner etc.
>>98260355Everything must be grimdark as long as my mortal enemy, reddit, desires otherwise.
>>98260315>"muh deep lore"Nah, FUCK YOU, too. Even uttering that word "lore" makes you a fucking loser. It's fluff. FLUFF. Nah, the issue is that people cite this abnett shit and it all gets across this idea that either him or his fans don't understand the TONE and ATMOSPHERE of the fluff as presented in the actual rulebooks, codices, campaign books, supplements, etc.There will come a day when every loretuber is dragged out into the streets and fucking executed by the dozen. I hope you fucking sob that day, faggot.
>>982602712016 onwards encompasses 43% of 4chan's existencethe new cutoff point is 2020 for covid retards
can vehicles declare charges
>>98260359Eisenhorn also dealt with mostly higher class people, so of course the standards of living would be better in those situations.
>>98260368Reddit is a despair-ridden shithole populated exclusively by mentally ill individuals who have been secretly chemically castrated by xenoestrogens in the environment they arent even aware of to the point that they unknowingly advocate in favor of their own destructionAKA reddit is more grimdark than this place
>>98260370Nigga said “fluff” what next dude lol “yummygoobles”? LmaoIts lore you weird cuck
Am I supposed to cut him in half and magnetize at the waist? Because this guy won't fit into my Battlefoam bag
>>98260341I would like to revise my statement, there are kits on sale on Amazon for <200USD that would cover the compressor and airbrush parts. It seems prices have gone down since Chinese competition in the marketplace kicked in.
>>98260389Uh no you can just get a case that will fit him
>>98260370Who gives a fuck. The point is that at that point, Abnett wasn't as wed to the conventions of what 40k is and isn't, and that produced stories more interesting than a lot of other BL writers at the time.
>>98260392Those are shit thoughIm not saying they arent a workable starting point if youre on a tight budget im just clarifying that those are indeed shit
>>98260368Chris Wraight is fighting the good fight against reddit in his 40k era novels. Everything he does seems to have the goal of pissing off redditors.>says terra is the worst planet in the entire imperium and is basically hell>says all agri-worlds are so fucking horrible and hellish that even plague marines can't stand them. the squeaky clean image of agri-worlds beloved by redditors is even referenced as being in-universe propaganda to sucker in migrants as cheap slave labor>presents guilliman indirectly as more of a mussolini style dictator who participates in the same petty politicking as the high lords of terra and has dissidents murdered instead of the capeshit redditor image that guy "reddit" haley presentswe will win
>>98260341>he thinks he needs to buy specific airbrush paintsand how much have you spent on plastic thus far?
>>98260370i feel the same way about anyone who says 'tourist'. they're secondaries, and thus saying 'tourist' is a secondary quality
>>98259304Why is someone as talented as you (supposedly high quality high IQ individual) suffering through the absolute STATE of contemporary /40kg/? Do you use custom filters? Do you actually read the shitposts? Are you some kind of saint?
>>98260385You are a newfag. Lurk moar
>>98260412Yeah well you’re a fucking yummygooble dude and thats way worse
>>98260399I mean, expensive airbrushed aren't much better than cheap ones, as long as you're still going for gravity fed.We actually had this conversation at my lgs last month.150 vs 50$ airbrush is mostly irrelevant. Even a bunch of the painttubers will tell you that.So maybe compressor but fucked if I know what the difference between a good and bad compressor is. Maybe it breaks down after 10 years instead of 15? Who knows?
>>98260393The 720 with magna rack trays is already very cumbersome on its own, I'm a carcel trainpilled walkmaxxer
>>98260395>dan abnett made stories that ignored the grimdark conventions of the source material and were more interesting! grimdark is le bad and primarch marvel capeshit is more interesting, it's the franchise EVOLVING! you should read the horus here- ACK!!!
>>98260421Hey fair enough i had bad experiences with the cheap ones personally but maybe they upgraded
>>98260422Do what you gotta do anonWhatever works for you
>>98260425>a-and then everything sucked! And it was fucked up! And gross and shitty and ugly and everyone was fucking stupid and angry! And it was g-uhhh gross and disgusting and stinky and smelly and everyone killed eachother! Because they were angry! And everything sucked fucking ass!
You don't have to accept any lore that you don't like.
>>98260425The Blood Pact and their weird alien allies were cool. I don't even like Abnett's stuff that much, and would probably be bored if I had to read it again.At the time "what if the Comissar wasn't a dickhead?" "What if the Chaos forces were whatever cool shit that came to me?" were actually pretty novel. You can only ride that out so long, and I think his more recent stuff isn't that interesting.
It's not abnett, but it bothers me how often space marines are portrayed as being nice guys. They shouldn't be polite to guardsmen unless they're Lamenters or Salamanders or whatever. They're killing machines that kill until they die, the fact guardsmen retire (if they don't die) should be enough to earn their ire
>>98260460A lot of them are protagonist characters, and readers don't generally want to root for a guy that's rude to the proverbial waiter, regardless of whatever else they do.
>>98260434-rapes you
>>98260241That book is great, and i will recommend another peak guard/jungle warfare novelFlesh and Iron by Henry ZhouIts about a Guard Regiment in what basically is not-vietnam, with gunboats on narrow rivers, ambushes in villages natives in the jungle who get influenced by 4 chaos marine vietcong and tons of corruption and decadence within the imperial forces. And yes, i know about the controversy of him copying some passages of that book from someone elses war memories, but i honestly dont mind it, because he copied from agood book, which results that Flesh and Iron is maybe not fully his work, but still a very good book about a guard regiment suffering and eventually overcoming all their enemies. [/spoiler]by joining the chaos faction[/spoiler] Since its the 2nd book in a series of 3, the twist is that they become the bad guys of the first book, which is kinda neat, but the first book itself wasn't that great
>>98260451There was a time when "what if a commissar wasn't an asshole" (gaunt's ghosts, ciaphas cain) or "what if space marines were heckin superheroes" (brothers of the snake) were very novel ideas within the context of 40k. There was no culture of "40k is secretly a lot more nicer than you think" on the internet. They were genuinely subversive and interesting takes on the IP. That time has passed. We are in an age where the online 40k discussion space is occupied by redditors and tertiaries who watch youtube shorts that ALL have the exact same takes, but repeated so often that it becomes law to tertiaries and secondaries. ALL commissars in the tertiary/secondary fandoms' eyes are competent good guys, marines ARE heckin superheroes (the setting even revolves around giant space marine daddies to these people), "let's look at some nicer places in the imperium" is played out to the point that there are people who genuinely get upset at the idea that most of the imperium isn't like (the upper class occupied sections of) Gudrun, these are NO LONGER INTERESTING IDEAS. The most interesting stuff being done now in the BL in relation to 40k is stuff like Fehervari's Dark Coil.
>>98260472Yeah, which I appreciate, but at least if the protagonist is nice, the others should be shitty to compensate and be confused by the idea
>>98260472Which is why books are usually best, when there are as little as possible marine characters. Some authors understand this better than others obviously.
>>98260478The Things They Carried?
>>98260460Not to undercut your point, but aren't space marines conditioned to be somewhat fine with the endless fighting and dying going on?
Any leaks for tomorrow?
>>98260488That's true, I agree, but they're also writing pulp fiction for teenage boys.
>>98260460I have no issue with space Marines being presented as cool sometimesTheyre just genetically modified humans they all have their own personalities and have their own creed and such
>>98260492House to House was the name of the book that "inspired" him.
>>98260502Besides AoSfags leaking from their butts there is nothing so we have to wait until tomorrow
>>98260505Sure, there is a place for bolter porn. But i have a feeling they kinda understand the issue, and there is less and less of it. (or maybe i do not pay as much attention to their new releases, if there is a marine on the cover)
>>98260502It's gonna be ork or marine stuff and the prepainted terrain who cares
>>98260490I mean the main BL series is nothing but marines plus the occasional side character and their new long running series is going to be the same so idk who you think in their writing department understands this.Even worse if you're not imperium. There were eldar in exactly one HH novel - Fulgrim. Wow how exciting, how about Necrons? Oh. And this is the mainline series for 40k novels.
>>98260510To be honest, I'm okay with loyalist marine wank. It's the pearl clutching about some of the older CSM characterization because it doesn't match the Horus Heresy version that annoys me. There are Redditors who find it offputting that the IWs in Storm of Iron and Dead Sky Black Sun aren't hecking choo-choo autists like HH Pertie.
>>98260524just kill hh fans problem solved
>>98260407>high IQlol, no. Anyway yeah I have a lot of filters and this place honestly ain't bad if you can ignore the shitposting. Plus I've been on 4chan way too long to leave at this point. also most of the time I stick to /wip/
>>98260460This. Not enough "purge the mutant", "kill the heretic". I don't mind marines having a personality, but imperial characters should remind you that the 41st millenium is quite different, not just in style.If your story/dialogues/characters can work if you switch the 40k setting for 21st century contemporary america, you have failed miserably.
>>98260521>I mean the main BL series is nothing but marinesThere is a main series? If you are talking about Horus Heresy, you will notice that every legion and every bigger faction has at least a handful of human characters with enormous plot armor, and some books and stories are at least 75% about humans. >There were eldar in exactly one HH novel - Fulgrim. Wow how excitingThere are Eldar characters in plenty of HH novels. >Wow how exciting, how about Necrons?They were sleeping. Besides: Would you want to listen to the outcry of them retconning Necrons into 30k? No thanks. Let them wake up 10k years later.Besides those two Xenos races, you got a lot of Non-40k xenos and factions mentioned in the 30k books, so in terms of variety, they are not that bad.
>>98260502Probably new season for Kill Team.I hope they fire the fucking fluff writers who keep doing present-tense dross.
>>98260532Yeah, Inquisitor stuff should feel more Inspector Oh or Gorky Park, immersing the reader in an alien totalitarian society.
>>98260266We don't have Conscripts any more.Kriegers are base 4+, 3+ w Take Aim. They only go to 2+ if they're below starting strength. If you're having problems wiping out a 10 man squad, that's on you. That 26 man squad costs 210 points.Artillery gets max 4+ if indirect. It's 5+ base, 4+ w heavy. 3+ best if w Take Aim.Tanks are all 4+, 3+ with Take Aim.
>>98260528Many such cases.
>>9826037343% newfag is still newfagElection tourists fuck off
idk why space marines have to be monolithic shitheads to be considered interesting here lol
>>98260502Can't you just enjoy things as they come?
>>98260554I think there's an interesting character study in there, because they theoretically have an alien mindset and perspective since they can live for centuries.
>>98260544Unfortunately we'll never get that, because1) if you're good enough to write that, why would you stick to 40k?2) GW would stop anything interesting from happening.God forbid the fanatic zealots of a death cult praising ignorance, hatred and fear start doing something that's bad 400 centuries prior. Gasp, I say, gosh, even.I also hate darktide because every character is like>Imperium evil, mkay?When one of the funniest thing in Vermintide is the elf racism.Why? Because it's ridiculous and banters opens a ton of great dialogue that expose the viewer/reader/player to two different clashing worlds/personalities.
>>98260502ravenwing land speeder kit
>>98260567>because they theoretically have an alien mindset and perspective since they can live for centuries.And that is only one thing that is different about them. Them being stronger and better than pretty much every normal human should breed a certain type of arrogance towards humans in 99% of them. And that would be the "nice" marines.
>>98260567I mean of course but also people react differently to shit and personal agency and choice and all that
>>98260574Have you played Rogue Trader yet?
>>98260560It's a reveal show, so they're not coming anytime soon. I don't like waiting for GW's little event to see advertisement. Plus fuck GW, I like when people fuck them over in ways that don't affect the rest of us.In short: Yes but not applicable.
>>98260400>>presents guilliman indirectly as more of a mussolini style dictator who participates in the same petty politicking as the high lords of terra and has dissidents murdered instead of the capeshit redditor image that guy "reddit" haley presentsI like that Big G can be both
>>98260582Im bigger and stronger than you but I dont view you in that way
>>98260496Oh I don't mean the marines should be bitter about their job, the opposite - the fact guardsmen have issues with living to die for the emprah enough that going rogue/deserting is common should make them have problems with them. Guardsmen being human would realistically make the inhuman marines annoyed by them, which would add an interesting bit of irony because the imperium is all about humans. Basically, marines would be like the kid at school who loves homework while the guardsmen are everyone else, going through the same but one person will tell the teacher if they forgot to ask for the homework
Can you liquitape the joints on a knight instead of using plastic glue to make it posable?
>>98260554>monolithicNo faggot, it's that marines shouldn't act and think like contemporary people but super soldiers.There's a thousand ways to spice up your psychotic indoctrinated hateful super soldier.
>>98260602Literally half of the space marines defected so lol
>>98260589Should I?
>>98260582Then you have the problem of audience buy-in for a protagonist being a dickhead to randos in what's fundamentally light, pulpy reading. It can work if the point is that they're having a blast being evil, but that's not the usual angle. That's part of why Palpatine is so charismatic.
>>98260400>says all agri-worlds are so fucking horrible and hellish that even plague marines can't stand them. the squeaky clean image of agri-worlds beloved by redditors is even referenced as being in-universe propaganda to sucker in migrants as cheap slave laborAre you drunk? Reddit loves that bit and reposts it all the time and wanks it as a paragon of grimdark.
>>98260533Eldar characters in HH novels.Okay I'll be generous. In the Horus Heresy novels outside of Fulgrim for obvious reasons, where would you recommend I direct an aspiring Eldar player? Funnily enough Horus rising kind of works for Orks since the reason for the triumph at ullanor was how tough the Ork Waugh was to beat and they even gave the orks some cool feats to boot!Tau/Crons/Votan ain't getting shit for obvious reasons.Non-playable races aren't relevant as the point is to give players of other factions some content at all and give character to non marines.
>>98260604The vast majority of them don’t though dudeA couple of them are cool and you hmm and haw about it like “no they have to be profoundly mentally ill! Its not grimdark enough!”
>>98260611If you like 40k vidya and interesting takes on Death Cults, then maybe its a game you might enjoy. The steam sale right now makes it a bargain actually. (get the season pass 1 for the Death Cult npc + quests)
>>98260609Yeah, this was before they psycho-indoctrinated them, and that's why they started doing it
>>98260615I mean, yeah. Nobody likes actually doing agricultural labor. You have to conquer people and force them to pick it at swordpoint. Given the option of working the rice paddies or a sweatshop, people in SEA pick assembling air-conditioner units for 12 hour shifts, they often pick the sweatshop.
>>98260634Just saying for them to 100% be disgusted by guardsmen by default for their supposed weakness would be retarded considering space marines probably have the highest rate of heresy in the entire lore lol
>>98260622>vast majority of themNo, and since you like stuff sourced from asses:>*farts in your face*>>98260632I will look into it>>98260609nta but that's why they amped up the psycho indoctrination after the heresy
>>98260649How would it be retarded? That would just highlight the dramatic irony. The amount of traitors is almost definitely massively suppressed knowledge, just like how many imperials think lorgar is a loyalistIt's like how custodes blame marines and such even though they failed to do their literal one job, which is to protect the emprah
>>98260632>season passI'm too old for this. What the fuck is this?
I liked DoW2 because each character is a slice of marines.>Tarkus: wise solid reliable codex guy>Thaddeus: start of journey, hopeful and (still) human>Avitus: We are weapons. There is war, there is death, and there is nothing else. Angy >:C>Cyrus: Grim. Dark, even. Steve Blum.>Daviant Thule: DreadnoughtStill one of the best 40k games ever and the heroes of Aurelia will be shilled for eternity.
>>98260618Angel Exterminatus has an ancient Eldar city with a big battle at the end.You got all the Salamander stories where they fight Eldar, especially the (in)famous one when Vulkan orders to kill the childrenThe Cabal appears several times, and so does Eldrad with his Prophecies. Crimson King and Old Earth have plenty of Eldrad scenes. But why would anyone interested to start 40k Xenos read about 30k Humans anyway?
>>98260341>plus the necessary paintsEither you have poor reading comprehension or you don't own paints
>>98260650I know its probably hard on you that GW periodically releases content that appeals to other people but not youMight I offer you an egg in these trying times?
Do you guys know what campaign the marked badges represent? I started to dig into old transfer sheets and many of those badges are actually associated with in-lore events, despite reddit retards claiming them being just generic symbols. The short lightning bolt in a circle is a Tempestora Campaign badge for example.
>>98260659>season passnta but it's essentially either a DLC where you have to play to unlock what you paid for (you have a limited time to do so), or it's a DLC but you don't know yet what you're gonna get, usually only part of the content is announced; like you know what you'll get for Q1 of the year, but you're paying for the whole year and will get Q2, Q3 and Q4 content as they drop.It's another shitty monetization and a terrible evolution of DLCs inbred with early access.
>>98260654But some space marines would knowSo some might behave somewhat differently with that in mind
>>98260659Essentially a bundle to buy two addons at the same time.There is season pass 1 and 2. Alternatively you can buy 4 addons indvidually, but the season passes save you a bit of money compared to individual purchases.
>>98260668>*farts on the egg*
>>98260679>le eats the poopie egg xd
>>98260671You confuse it with "Battle pass" i think, but each game devs do it differently. With Rogue Trader, you can save a few moniez by what is essentially "pre-ordering" the future DLC. Season Pass 1 gives you the Death Cult and Arbites DLC (both released for some time)Season Pass 2 gives you the Necron DLC and a unspecified Space Hulk DLC in the future, with the Necron DLC already released.All of the 3 released ones are available indvidually too, so in this case i dont see a big problem with that business model.
>>98260116>SpoilerTRVTHNVKE but they kinda go against the feel I want for an army IE mass infantry, so I'll probabaly go with EC for my chaos army. TSons are my favorite faction in the fluff joebeit, so maybe I should reconsider.
>>98260685
>>98260687To be fair I'm 50% sure some games use season pass & battle pass interchangeably
>>98260696Yea, you are probably right. There might even be some gatcha games out there with both things active at the same time.
>>98260116I kinda want to do a GK army that's bronze and with a Classical Greek hopliye theme
>>98260710Minotaurs?
>>98260714Why does this feel like a bara artist drew this piece of work
12th edition will feature the Golden Throne failing and the Imperium launching a full scale assault on Commoragh to retrieve the copy made by the deldar. Thus the box will have deldar in it.>but what about my 11th edition deldar refreshlollmao
I like hero nice marines sometimes
>>98260720never ask a woman her agenever ask a man his salarynever ask a nice marine how many eldar children he has burned alive
>>98260714mom said its my turn to play xbox
>>98260714I like the GK rules, and I want the opposite of a horde army right now.
>>98260724Killing xenos is nice and heroic
>>98260724>Burned alive? None. You see, I wouldn't count alien abominations as being "life" in the first place.
>>98260672Agreed and I don't think every space marine needs to think like this, I just think the average one should, and not every main character should be an exception, because that just makes it feel like an informed attribute
>>98260687Why are people paying for this obvious scam?
>>98260294>1d4chanit's insane how understated that website's influence is on the 40k community as a whole, considering how much almost every 40k 'influencer' (sloptent producer) just cribbed from it, or nowadays, cribs from someone else who cribbed from it
>>98259256Seeing this makes me want to build and paint my dakkarig, im the rust ork anon
TTS plug-ins for 40k getting hit by C&Ds from GW again
>>98259217You couldn't pay me to go back and play 3rd and 4th edition. Why do people like it so much? Was it considered to be balanced? My ork friend at the time would disagree
>>98260609Even funnier when you remember Horus went traitor because he had a bad dream and Fulgrim touched a funny rock.Meanwhile you have random teenage girls negating doombolts from psyker by believing hard enough.Primarch and Marines look like dumb retards more than usual with all the HH books.
>>98260669
>>98260779Fuck sake, this was going to be the only way me and my friend could play as we live 4 hours away
>>98260717Playing with proportions is fun, here's a more basic dude>>98260725kek>>98260732I meant that you could play them as GK and collect Minos.OR, you can take inspiration from them and do a funny mix of what you like from both.
>>98260714marines as walking art displays are so kino and this is no exception
>>98260785in fairness the psycho-conditioning does dull their emotional range and that's kinda a part of the equation in bullshitting through warp-fuckery
>>98260161On a side note, Hive worlds are not consider civilized worlds No, Terra is not even mentioned as an example. Mars is mention as an example for Forge worlds
>>98259190I dunno ive offered painting tips before and anons have done the same in return. Us painter bros have a comfy presence
>>98260795Based. I like my marines to be customized to their chapter.
Remember anons, theres no need to be a bitter asshole all the time, the game isn't as bad as what some of the resident doom posters make it out to be
>>98260779Get fucked secondaries. But in all seriousness, this is shitty and fuck GW.
>>98260796My favorite story about marines being dumb retards is the one where some inquisitor ask for help to take down some nobles that where thinking to go traitor.Some space marine chapter show up and proceed to blow up the entire planet and blame the population for attacking them and not preventing the nobles from going rogue. As if the random population some how could read the mind of the nobles and would understand that the marine that show up and started blasting them where their savior and not one of the many traitor marines running around.Think it was from the 3rd or 4th edition marine codex.
>>98260817It was the 3rd edition space marine codex.
>>98260813I'd rather be seen as a bitter fuck than a faggoty cunt.What you should remember is that you can dislike shit because of standards, on top of being nuanced. Unfortunately for faggots, any criticism too harsh will trigger their defensiveness and they will attack you while ignoring the point.
11th edition is fun. I like it more than anything I've played so far from GW, aside from the Cities of Death expansion from 4e, but that's mostly because I loved setting up the city boards.
>>98260832For example I do not mind the mono pose models that are suppose to be a single squad and nothing more or some characters to be use in different things like HQ or Elites.But when every fucking box that you are suppose to have multiple of, have the same mono pose (dual or tri pose in the best of case) result in shit models for a wargame.
>>98260832uh oh cranky
>>98260788>Do you guys know what campaign the marked badges represent?
>>98259391>And we all know how that went.Good?
Man, I do not want to build another 9 fucking votann bikes. This kit sucks.
>>98260847>For example I do not mind the mono pose models that are suppose to be a single squad and nothing more or some characters to be use in different things like HQ or Elites.I actually do mind those. First because I'm not the only one in the world, so if everytime someone rolls a chaplain I'll see the exact same chaplain but in a different paintjob, second because it's better to have a customisable & poseable kit, it's a higher quality product, third because I don't trust GW posing.I can tolerate commemorative models and unique characters, but I still don't like it. We've had character models that could easily be changed around.It's not hard. It's not because of whatever new moulding technique/posing. It's because it costs less for GW to forgo customization for what they're doing.Plus the regular normal retard only cares for le action pose, so why bother with anything but the bare technical minimum?>>98260849Very cranky.
>>98260866why did you get 12 bikes then
>>98260871They forego customization because of how the CH lawsuit went down. It's not primarily about costs, but IP protection
>>98260871>everytime someone rolls a chaplain I'll see the exact same chaplain but in a different paintjobI meant something like picture related. Like the old metal characters that where generic as hell so they could fit any paint scheme.
>>98260873I wanted steel jacks, and couldn't buy them from the day after the faction releases until they put them in the maelstrom boxes. So I bought 3 of those boxes for the jacks I wanted anyway, and they gave me bikes for free. And I'd already bought, built and painted 6.
>>98260871Having a good time yelling at the straw man in your head?
We're getting Ravenwing refresh tomorrow...right????
>>98260878I'm sure CH changed things, but I still think it's mostly a cost thing nowadays.Don't get me started on the way they cut the kits.>>98260886These are fine since they all try to be unique, are well done and in many cases were released alongside each other. So even if customization was harder you could at least pick a unique flavor.If modern marine kits HQs were as unique as these I'd have a lot less issue with these.
