Previous: >>98258182Mr Jank Edition>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.png>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Do you have a deck based around jank-ass combos?
TQCurrently none, but I sometimes think how to make mech titan work in a non janky way
>Early bake just to leave out the gay bolas linksOP is fragile.
>>98285309Making a new thread at image limit is the norm and I think you are fully aware of that.
I think it's finally time to rebuild it.
>>98285291>TQyes. please do not steal.
>>98285339I know you said not to but I wanna
>>98285323Give it a rest you low-functioning retard.You spammed pics until the limit was reached, and deleted posts to have an ongoing thread deleted just to bake without some links nobody except (you) care about.>inb4 "gaybolasanon gaybolasanon"No. This is the same shit you pulled back during the proxy warring bullshit, when (you) wouldn't shut up about how much you wanted to fuck a squirrel token.You would do well to keep in mind that any oN tOpIC spamming bullshit you want to pull anyone in this thread can also do.
>>98285359I started a new thread because we were at the image limit, that's literally it. I don't care about thread wars or any of that retarded shit, I just wanted to post my giant kaalia.
>>98285374...And you didn't make that the OP question somehow?
>>98285388No I made it an actual question, why would the tq be an image?I don't understand what you are asking here
>>98285397>somehowI'm not even accusing you of anything at this point since I'm willing to admit I was wrong since the fag did just show up and was probably about to spam but saw people complaining and stopped after one card lol. I'm just genuinely curious why not just cut the pretense. Something like "do you have any oversized/special printings of your commanders" or the like .
>>98285405I don't know, I was just looking through images I had saved for something suitable for an op and that caught my eye.I didn't want to just make it teysa with big bazongas again
>>98285420Shame, because combofaggotry is faggoty.
Same fucking episode every time and I'm sick of it. Put the hybrid mana one on. I'm sick of the OP wars episode.
>>98285449Hybrid mana change did nothing wrong and gavin shouldnt have capitulated
>>98285435Yeah i hate playing cards that work together
>schizojannietroll deleted the other thread just so he could bake his ownTiring. Get an actual job nogames faggot.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98285467Unga bunga is pEakDH
>>98285504>green is peak edhLol
>>98285508Sounds like Mardu is for you.
>>98285508Literally and unironically yes, this has been a green-centric Timmy format for 15+ years.
>>98285449I'm of the opinion that color identity needs to be drastically relaxed.>Hybrid manaShould be allowed as "or" in the 99. I don't care if you can see the broccoli. Suck it up.>Twobrid/colorless hybridShould also be allowed. The theme of colorless is that it can do anything at a worse rate and a 2:1 ratio is worse than most real colorless cards.>Phyrexian manaWho cares? Genuinely. There's 36 cards total that would be impacted by this (all color pips are phyrexian) and there will explicitly never be any cards like this ever again. This one's actually poor design but at the same time whoop de doo every deck can run Dismember and Birthing Pod.>Sideboards/WishboardsShould be allowed and not respect color identity. Tutors are already legal in the format so may as well allow wishes which are more interesting than tutors. As a bonus you can make it so that companions take up a slot here (no more companion exception for EDH), and a sideboard also takes the place of a sticker/attraction deck (no more of that retarded incentive to run one at all times just in case someone is running Sticker Goblin).
>>98285543>this has been a green-centric Timmy format for 15+ years.>this is why primetime is banned and rhystic study will be legal foreverKek
>>98285563>but at the same time whoop de doo every deck can run Dismember and Birthing Pod.And Probe. I don't want to see a probe/birthing pod at every table either.>and a sideboard also takes the place of a sticker/attraction deckHow does that work based retard? If I open an attraction, would that just let me cast a spell for free? That's so stupid. Leave stickers and attractions alone sice nobody plays them except people that explicitly want them for some reason.
>>98285640If you run an attraction deck, you can't also use a sideboard>I don't want to see Git Probe in every deckYou already don't see Git Probe and Street Wraith in every deck that can run them.
>>98285291>TQIn my toughness matters deck I can deck myself out and lose pretty quickly if I want too
How do I run Eldrazi without making myself Archenemy of the Table from turn zero
>>98285656Faggot I don't want to have every mono-red deck going "Hmmm yes anon can I see your hand I want to know if you have mindbreak trap before I Breach + Pod oh on that note storm count 1 teehee!"
>>98285691How often do you play against Magda? If the answer is "never", you will not see this.
>>98285698>If the answer is "never"I wish it was.
>>98285691This "combo" doesn't even make sense. In what universe is storm count and pod relevant to the same line even in 5c, let alone monoR with hybrid? cEDH Magda doesn't even run Breach.
>>98285723Nobody is pigeonholing to Magda, and you're assuming that people wouldn't brew degeneracy after a hypothetical permission for Birthing Pod in nongreen.
>>98285704Then you should know Magda has better things to be doing than trying to set up a Pod line when she can just cheat Portal to Phyrexia into play if she's left alone for a single rotation.
>>98285740The hypothetical ability for someone to brew a deck is completely independent of whether that deck is any good, let alone the best thing they can be doing. Your stated fear is monored getting access to Pod lines, which implies that it is the new best line, however for that to be true, it would have to be stronger (i.e. more consistent) than the existing best monoR lines, which is currently Magda.
>>98285291>key to the cityAn odd choice.>TQNothing that jank. Best I have is my Mareth deck has a few 3+ card infinites, same with my landfall deck.
>>98285563>I don't want to play edh
>>98285809Good argument.
>>98285640>Leave stickers and attractions alone sice nobody plays them except people that explicitly want them for some reason.The funniest part about attractions is there is ZERO reason you shouldn't have an attractions side deck you use for all of your decks. There is a chance no matter how small you will be prompted to make one. My friend has Mr. House deck that runs a few cards that make them and it's always funny to watch theftfags or reanimationfags grab his shit then have no attractions deck of their own to draw from. It's very funny to watch people who've spent an ungodly amount of money on their deck realize in real time it's not optimal because they don't have a deck full of weird unset cards to use.
>>98285771That wasn't my point, and I don't get yours. If a deck is being brewed that would be stronger than Magda, what Magda IS doing right now isn't that relevant after a certain point. That's like arguing Prime Time should be unbanned because Cabbage Merchant wouldn't care about it.
>>98285812>I don't want to follow one of the pillars that makes the format what it is
>>98285819But primetime should be unbanned because it'll be a GC and not only will it not affect b2 pods b3+ pods have stronger cards to worry about
>>98285832At that point just make everything on the banlist that isn't ante a GC.>inb4 "this but unironically"
>cats got in my room and knocked over my half dozen unfinished decksI'm about to feed these faggots to a nigbull on God
>>98285822>muh pillarsYou mean you cant have multiple basics?You mean tuck?You mean city of brass shouldnt give red and green to senn triplets?
>>98285860>practically unplayable, needed to be changed very early on>Changed to make the game more understandable and not completepy lock out decks>I don't even understand this oneThose aren't pillars regardless. This are small insignificant rules that do not trult change the flavor of the format, or needed to change for the format to function.
>>98285860>You mean you cant have multiple basics?Source that this was ever a rule.
>>98285847Correct
>>98285291Oh... oh no. Mairsil's about to be the town bicycle.
>>98285893>only the rules i care about are significant because i said so
>>98285893>if senn triplets can produce brocolli mana it's ok>but if i see brocolli in my cardboard it will trigger my autism
>>98285911>having a legendary general in a separate zone to can be recast if it's eliminated>that commander dictates the color identity of its deck>you can only have one copy of each card>it's a multiplayer formatThat's it, the four pillars of what makes edh, edh. The rest of the little rules I might disagree or get pussy with, but the format remains the format as long as those four stay in place.
>>98285916>any colorvs>specific colorYes. But also, I don't honestly agree with this rule. Any color should mean all colors and only belong in 5-color decks.
>>98285893>I don't even understand this oneAnon's saying you shouldn't be able to produce off-color mana, which actually would affect a Sen Triplets deck.It's not really a good point since the way it works now is more intuitive to what's printed on the cards, and since the old ruling converted it to colorless mana any off-color generation outside of those edge cases serves the same gameolay purpose.
>>98285909Oh. 3 card 1 permanent infinite. Nice.
I hate how good this would be in my multi color angel deck when it is the biggest OC Doughnut Steel I think I've ever seen on a card>vampire angel>deathtouch >duskbringer as a last name>brings back a 4 mana thing at the very worst, might bring back even more if you have other angelsLike Jesus he's really good as a mechanical card I just hate his aesthetic so much
>>98285963You can only make 1 golem per turn off her so it's not that crazy
Found a jank as fuck but in-browser edh player https://preview.phase-rs.dev/
>>98286005Just paint him as white and sleeve it anon
>>98286017That helps but it doesn't stop mr duskfuckingbringer from being half angel half vampire anon
>saw a bunch of Unstable Molecule Suits for $3CAD (2.10USD) at 401games>bought a stack>they arrived today>price is already up to $10CAD ($7USD) and already made my money back with a couple of resales todayIt's to not feel like a retard sometimes.
>>98286036>It's *nice to not feel like a retard sometimes.God I'm such a retard
>>98286035Doesn't matter, he's white now.
>>98286035Rename him Rudolf Cheerbringer, put him in an ugly christmas sweater and fake deer antlers, and put ornaments all over the wings. Bam, problem solved.
>>98286006Fuck, missed that. That's a shame. Still, though, good value.
>>98285819My argument is that no such deck will exist. Especially in monored. The bar for degeneracy that's legal in the format is extremely high.
>>98285931>i dont like brocolli but if you say "can produce any vegetable" the wording doesnt affect my fee fees
>>98286104If you're that sure, then why would you want to use p-mana cards?
>>98286134>my fee feesI literally said I disagree with it but understand the difference. I do wish they restricted "any color" to 5 color.
thoughts on t-challa in the 99? worth for the front side alone? I really like flash
Based thread.>>98285309lol you're so mad no one likes your forced maymay
>>98286159Because color identity as a rule has notoriously damaged design space and given bias to printing more pie bends/breaks to accommodate it while additionally appending unnecessary colors and abilities to cards for it. Phyrexian mana is ultimately something I don't feel as strongly on as hybrid mana, but I don't think it would be as catastrophic as predicted if it were implemented.
Why the fuck do we have 3 edh threads up you retarded negroids
This is the thread >TQ I have 2 infinite combos involving morph in my deck, but I wouldn't say that it's based on them, I try not to set them up unless I'm playing against shitters
>>98286286Because I started posting
>>98286286Some schizofag wants to turn /edh/ into their own personal poltard fiefdom and they're also a jannie/friends of a jannie so the beatings will continue until morale improves.
>>982862864, actually. There's a wird flame war, but I have no clue why having so many threads is an extension of that.
>TQYes, all of them
>Was enjoying the hybrid mana episode>Randonly changes back to threadwar episodeI hate this. Yeah sure more fucking performative virtue signaling about how shitting up the thread will totally save the aryan race from destruction. That's why I come to /tg/. To listen to more /pol/shit.
>>98286340What are you talking about?
God dammit, I wanted to talk about Magic
IP viewer extension is really funny because it really helps remind you how there's 2 posters in the thread that have 100% of the nogames takes.
Started building Baron Zemo and I think I suck ass at making black decks.
>>98286369Am I one? I haven't played in person in 4 months or so due to illness, but Inplayed a couple times online.
thoughts on t'challa in the 99? worth for the front side alone even without heavy synergy? I really like flash
>>98286381Baron Zemo looks like a cool build but I want to avoid Marvelslop if possible.
>>98286367Post your deck and I'll tell you how cute it is
>>98286067I will now play your card
>>98286390https://moxfield.com/decks/4MBEwm4M-EKmTWV75pq7pQCards in sideboard I still need to buy, also need to find slots for the cards in considering but can never make cuts on my own
>>98286369That's not real and you know it
>>98286369>IP Viewer extensionLol
>>98286390https://moxfield.com/decks/B1q0ZQdJc0em4yE4xTygKA
How fake are these /edhg/
>>98286404Cute! (I love evil women too)>>98286427Cute! (I admit I was confused as hell for several seconds wondering why your krenko deck had no goblins until I saw Tin Street).
>cat girl>goodstuff commander>that guy color comboI just know this precon made billions
>>98286455How would I be able to tell that?
>>98286455As fake as the people you try to sell them to will tell you
>>98286484Because of the pixels
>>98286500Then I suck at identifying fake mtg cards...
What the hell do you do when playing against shitters, I mean new players? Sure I can build decks that are Bracket 2, but these retards call their downgraded precons Bracket 2 while refusing to use anything other than basic lands.
>>98286455I wonder though, would anyone immediately pay 1500 for that if you bring them to players in any lgs? Like, I one bought a 140$ Buster Sword that to this day Idk if it's legit or not...I still play it 100% time.
>>98286525I once bought*This was from a guy that came in and just spreaded his 3 binders on a table
https://moxfield.com/decks/UEC9o1kv8EupMJXTxx1OGQWhat should I take out for the 'sideboard' cards
>>98286483there isn't that much from precon that you'd want to retain if you want to drill it to tops of b4 and she's faily cheap as a card due to her surge being a big hit>>98286519sandbag, explain things and slowly start taking off the sandbags till they learn or quit. Faster if they have an attitude. Having a pure precon on hand to play with is also decent thing to do.
>>98285339I've already done that with Stiltzkin
>>98286005The amount of total flavor fails in recent years has been pretty impressive.That's definitely someone's obnoxious pet card, but even so I don't think I would mind it so much if it was a cute girl. Male angels has always been a gigantic mistake.At least you can cover up the name and art.
>>98286519I pick some precon that can do as many different things and I try to do as much as possible without advancing the game or dealing damage. A lot of people learn by watching others do stuff. They can flip and complain a lot about "muh long turns" but they will still learn about things you can do that they had never thought about. Both Edge of Eternities precons were great for this, and they became the boogeyman for my friends for so long.
>>98286568Literally just paint him white
>>98286519use bracket 1 decks and beat them with that
>>98286574He'd still be a dork.
>>98286607me on the left
>no gay bolas>nice thread>spammed to image limit>new thread, gay bolas>shit thread>no spamLike clockwork
>>98286410>>98286424Look up "IDs on all boards" extension for 4chanX. /edhg/ has about 20 posters total.
>>98286281>color identity as a rule has notoriously damaged design space and given bias to printing more pie bends/breaks to accommodate itThat's a problem with WotC making everything retard-proof for people that don't understand why the pie exists.
thoughts on king t'challa in the 99? is he worth for the front side alone even without heavy synergy? I really like flash
>>98286597But at least he'll be likeable
>>98286625LARP post given (You) are the spammer and did it last thread too.
>>98286538Tribute to hirobi (gives you one token, not three), baffling end, lightning greaves, sol ring, helping hand, tempt with bunnies (see: hirobi), reanimate, thalia, claim jumper, wernog (see: hirobi), slaughter specialist (see: hirobi), marching duodrone (see: hirobi), loyal warhound, knight of the white orchid, gravecrawler
>>98286626Bullshit.
>>98286626I think you hallucinated an extensionCan you link to it please?
Where's Loot in the story? I want more Loot!
>>98286574This and give him normal hair instead of vile dreadlocks.
>>98286652>has dreadsMother of God, I didn't notice that blemish
>>98286626>20 posters totalJannies are actively trying to kill this general cause they hate edh so it checks out
>>98286649He was abandonned, like the story around him, wierdly right around the time UB sets hit, hm.Valgavoth being castrated by forced stupidity still makes me angry.
>>98286627This argument only holds true when decks are meaningfully forced to limit the number of colors they can play which wasn't even true back in 2011 when the power disparity between colors was even larger. Red wasn't played at all and the only deck that ran any green was Rofellos specifically because those colors scaled so poorly into multiplayer. The two most popular decks were Zur and Sharuum because esper and especially blue were just miles above every other color in the format for a decade and colorfixing wasn't an issue.
>>98286604Why is this worded like this? Surely someone on the design team ableast considered making it "choose one or both."
Mods/jannies, im begging you to deal with this guy spamming
>>982866722001 was a different time.
>>98286680They don't care given that this is still up >>98282014
>>98286680Literally nothing will be done about it, two niggas fighting with each other caused everyone else to suffer
>>98286693
thoughts on king t'challa not as a commander but in the 99? is he worth it for the front side alone even without heavy synergy? I really like flash
>>98286663Thank GOD we have Capybara as a creature type. We NEEDED that!
>>98286723I would help you if I knew anon.
>>98286519Run mechanics that suck like day night or fateful hour, try to win with memes like Near Death Experience, just have fun anon
>>98286670Even back in the days of Zur people were running Azami as a commander, and the number of tools that monocolor has gotten has let a lot of builds compete, even without the bends.
>>98286680Don't bother anon the jannies don't care, this place is unusable until this autist has a heart attack or his unemployment money runs out.
98286735I will try to run this shit on my Cloud commander deck, might be funny
>>98286730I guess it's not that sought after then huh. seems pretty good as a secondary faerie mastermind for non-cedh to me tho
>>98286739Literally the very first EDH set added Chaos Warp to the format because the powergap between colors was so blatantly obvious that red contributed absolutely nothing to a deck. It's an issue R&D is STILL trying to solve. Saying one color was extremely dominant for 20 years reinforces the notion of CID being flawed.
Master of Waves in Orvar if I don't want to just clone thoracle or make infinite mana into ops draw million?
this is just thinly veiled dakka posting
>>98286750Mad as shit chimeras are a perpetually useless and underused type in magic, they're cool. The legendary Jeskai one is just depressing to look at.
I put in my bootleg order, shout out to the anon that told me to get 1996 world champion
>>98286763>It's an issue R&D is STILL trying to solveRed has gotten enough that it can stop whining.
Name a more soulful cycle
>>98286763I think Red is in a weird place where it's inherently weaker in EDH (40 life, aggro hate, ec.) , but consistently is raping standard.If Red was made strong enough to do well in EDH, standard would burn.
>>98286973Could they not just print commander only cards for red
>>98286925Shadowmoor "god" cycleBut these guys are hella cool too
>>98286625>solid week of nice threads with gb in them, no spam, no trolling, no rushed bakes>jannieschizotroll shows up after an extended absence>threads immediately go to shit, spam everywhere, rushed bakes, good threads made in a timely manner getting deleted for jannieschizotroll threads
>>98286973Don't make them standard-legal then, or just design them so they are only good in edh, like picrel, but just revealing the top like chaos warp instead of this shitty polymorph effect. Make it cost 4 too, I don't care.
>>98286992What? This is the best /edhg/ thread in like months though
>>98286925is it just me or do their effects feel a bit off for their colours? Yore should have green instead of blueWitch-Maw should have red instead of black The rest are fine I guess
>>98286999WOTC has never been able to define 4C and never will
>We'll talk with you again likely this summer in May or JuneWhen
>>98286984Took a second to find them based on your description. Very nice.
When are we going to see a new mana symbol imo and what will it be
>>98287002It cannot be that hard, just take the wedges and add something for the extra colour. i.e. Yore is Mardu that draws/cares about instants and sorceries, Witch is Esper but with ramp/land synergies and so on
>>98286999Their name and appearance are defined by their absense of color, not their colors, and their effects seem based on those names and appearances.
>>98287025>Describes monoU>Describes monoG
>>98287026but yore is missing green, and yet it reanimateswitch is missing red, and yet it cares about spellslinging and gets trample
>>98286005retard question: If I want to Stifle the third ability, when do I stifle?>beginning of end>trigger on the stack(stifle here)>pay 1 b/w>"When you do" (or stifle here?)
>>98287043sorry, I didn't explain myself properly. I meant as in "it has the core mechanics of X and additionally does Y"
he cute
>>98286925We have truly lost our way as a society.
>>98287073I don't understand
>>98287055The former. Once they've paid the cost you don't have priority before the intervening 'if you do' resolves.
>>98287073>WUBR but tranny>RGWU but gay>GWUB but gay AND tranny
>>98287048Read what I wrote again.It's yore-tiller, ripping up the ground.It's witch-maw, eating spells.
I think I may have optimized the fun out of my Ashling The Limitless deck.I won a game on turn 4 taking out everyone at once by having two cost reducers out and looping Graveshifter to create an infinite number of hasty token copies of itself for free and then swinging out.I know it's a 4 card combo and was basically magical christmas land to get it all out by turn 4, and everyone took the loss with grace but it was a feels bad kind of win, and I could tell that everyone else was put out by the game being over so fast even though it was a quick one for the end of thee night.Would you guys recommend removing the graveyard recursion in the deck to make it less likely to explode a non-telegraphed win from hand, or to remove the cost reducers so that even though Ashling is cheating Elementals into play it's not reduced quite so much to the point of being free?I don't run any gamechangers in the deck, and the only tutor I have is Flamekin Harbinger. (Which I used to get out a mana dork because I only had 2 lands in hand at the start of the game.)
>>98287099Also green isn't a reanimate color, black is, and red sacrifices/exiles creatures at end of turn.And red isn't the "whenever you cast a spell, do thing" color, white is, and it'a pumping a creature with trample, which is green.But yes, they could have been more not-[color], avoiding all of that colors mechanics entirely, but I like the names and designs, and that the effects are based on those.
>>98285291You could do some funny stuff with this if it didn't exile.
>>98287073The gayfags are the only thing wrong with the bottom row the rest of those designs are fine. The real pain in the ass here is the RC/wotc's staunch refusal to errata the fucking Nephilim to legends so you don't have to do the gay rule 0 dance every time you want to play one of them.
>>98287009I'm still upset that my colors got a guy who was so completely and directly outclassed by another card in the same set. Nobilis of War really didn't need to be so nearly objectively worse than Balefire Liege.Only good thing about that situation is that Balefire Liege is awesome.
>>98287150Eventide cycle is pretty sick, yeah.
>Got the Dr Doom precon for $70Don't know whether to feel happy with that find or horrified that I'm excited about that.
For sephara should I cram as many 1-2cmc fliers as possible even if they only have [flying] on them or is balanced curve still fine? i know that elkfag has deck with her but not sure if his playpatterns are what i want to replicate and i like to stuff my decks with some legends to serve as alternate but not totally defunct alternate commanders
>>98287199Elkfag's list is awful, sometimes a commander is as straightforward as can be and there's no point in reinventing it>jam as many 1 drop fliers + ornithopter to get sephara out by t3-t4, put protection spells, slap a few double strike effects, go to town
>>98287172I remember back when someone playing a liege was a gamewarping threat.Same with the titans. It's sad what powercreep does.
>>98287189I went to my lgs and the clerk there told me they have excess of MSH stock, I don't think is going to get higher than that
>>98287189Like what you want to like momo, its a game.
>>98287257Secondhand market is already reaching triple digits at points because of Molecule Man
>>98287307I guess it depends on the area you're at, here in Florida I guess the sets were not that alluring
This was the reason for the recent bannings.
>>98287377I dont get it
>>98287377Frog is kind of gay for playing blue though
i want to build aerith gainsborough, but I feel like I should just build trelasarra and it would simply be a better deck with the inclusion of green. I could make the deck legendaries matter, but I fear that would make me look like a homo. what do you guys think
What is the best mono blue commander to play High Tide and cast all my high cost blue bullshit like Omniscience and Enter the Infinite?
>>98287381Typical green player.
>>98287424She's on my Cloud commander dock, fun to have her
>>98286668They abandoned him but decided to bring back the Jacestice League and make a whole new set about them.
>>98287424gw aerith is kinda nice for a niche lifegain-animator if you can resist temptation of adding black for TDC betor. Aerith in mono w is just clearly not meant to be at the helm unless you run some repeatable reanimation like Smile at Death/seminar (altho thats 7 mana so might wait till few recasts)>>98287426Eluge or Orvar. Fish just makes it cheaper but you have to bs your way through to not have it removed if ops know their shit and orvar you don't exactly want omniscience but he clones infinite islands very easily nowadays with all the non-legendary clone supports
>>98287446>gw aerith is kinda nice for a niche lifegain-animatorthe problem is, I already have Celestine the Living Saint as a mono white lifegain-animator deck. I feel like mono white can quickly become a threat and actually makes good use of the soul sisters compared to the gw one.
>>98287452You could also go for a cleric theme with cards like Minwu and Mikaeus. Teshar might be a good support card to include. Some equipment that care about life like excalibur II and aettir and priwen would be fun to close out games. Ultimately you'll have to decide if it's worth gimping yourself to build around a character card you like.
>>98287424If you're trying to build a life=counters deck Lathiel is still the king.
>>98287527yeah I'm thinking I may go for a legendary subtheme and force some cleric stuff even with the old cleric lords. My concern with the selesnya aerith is that similar to celestine, the goal is simply to overcome a level of lifegain each turn, meanwhile the monowhite Aerith is more like a tempo-y value spread that will care more about incremental life gain rather than specifically gaining as MUCH life as possible, which is why I'm avoiding >>98287529Lathiel. I'd rather get a different mouthfeel of life gain, in caring about multiple instances of it.
Is the spammer gone? Is it safe to come back?
>>98287118I really would appreciate some advice on this if anyone can have a glance.
>>98287606There's a reason why brackets fundamentally ask the question "when is the appropriate turn to combo off"Protip: bracket 2 is best played when combos pop off when everyone's had a turn 8
>>98287620I'm aware of that. However any time I was goldfishing the deck my earliest wins were on turn 6. Which in theory would make it a bracket 3 deck, which is what my group plays.Just because it CAN theoretically win on turn 4 with the perfect confluence of events and people not interacting with my board to remove any of the 4 cards needed to do that loop does that still place it at bracket 4?
>>98287646The strength of a deck isnt just whether it can go infinite/present an alternate wincon early in theory, but whether it can do so consistently, picrelB3 is best played when everyone's had a turn 6 (keeping in line with gavin too, this isnt something i say just for the sake of it), it's either you sandbag that combo until your t7 or you swap out some cards for more resilency and valud
>>98287663I was going to be dead on turn 5 had I not won on turn 4 so I guess none of us were playing bracket 3 decks, or at least the Lightning player wasn't.
>>98287670People just agree with whatever bracket one of the players says they'll play and still don't change their decks to reflect it, 99% of players don't care.
>>98287670Voltron/combat damage is exempted as it is a bad primary strat in cedh and it only works in the lower more casually-oriented brackets, they're ultimately killing one guy at a time and they are so telegraphed>the lightnjng was killing you first because you're using ashling, you're not exactly tricking anyone on what you're gonna do, smol beaning/secret commander is a legit strat
>>98287099oh I get it now. That's actually really cool, but now I'm confused by the giant eye. How's card draw and discard absence of white? And what's with the eye anyway
>>98287681I've played the deck with them plenty of times and they're under no false pretenses about what it's about, this is just the fastest it's ever won and I was just wondering just because the deck can in theory win on turn 4 with no interaction and the perfect set of cards does that make it a bracket 4 deck.Which it seems to according to what you've been saying.I'll probably just remove the evoke discounters from the deck and add back in some of the WUBRG generators so Ashling actually gets to use the second part of her text to keep the token Elementals around and that should push my ability to win on such an early turn at least a few turns back.
>>98287700>the tidus precon can go infinite on t3 therefore it's cedh tierYou get it now?
>>98287546I have a monowhite +1/+1/ lifegain deck with 11 commanders in the deck that can be swapped in interchangeably, and I choose them randomly every game to keep the deck fresh. One of those commanders is Aerith.
Do I buy The One Ring now? Do we think it is getting a reprint? I'm in fear that it won't get a reprint and then spike. I need one or two for my bracket 4 slop
If I wanted to make a strong bracket 4 deck, that didn't use combos, but was fast, how fast does it need to be?>converted mana cost?>total mana cost?>wins by turn?What are those stats in your meta?
>>98287743B4 is so indistinguishable from B5 that the only practical rule to differentiate the two beyond gentleman's agreements is "everyone must have a turn 4 in B4 before comboing off/thoracle"
>>98287118Take out all changlings if all I can suggest.Otherwise, feelsbad game endings happen. Just because you can win with a christmas hand by turn 4 doesn't make your deck a bracket 4 or even 3. There's a reason they list 2-card combos in the brackets, not +3-card ones.
>>98287741That ring shit is expensive, which if you have the money buy it not as I don't think The Hobbit set includes a reprinting of it afaik
>>98287743I have a pretty nice B4 Mayael deck. It's consistent and doesn't combo off. You just gamble for a big beater every turn. It runs slower than other decks, but it flies under the radar of a lot of common higher power interaction due to Mayael not casting the stuff she gets off the top of your deck. If you draw right, you can probably win by turn 4
>>98287748Abusing 3+ combos to pop off asap is very easy, the question has always been about what turn to combo and not how many parts your combo has
If you have a waifu commander, does gooning to rule34 of your commander help you play the deck better?
>>98287705Honestly no. Are you saying that my Ashling deck is fine as it is in bracket 3 even though it happened to win on turn 4? I think I'm misunderstanding you.>>98287748Yeah that's probably a good shout. Though there's still Grave Sifter which is still an Elemental but at least it gives my opponents creatures back of their choice from their graveyards. (Not that it would matter if I was infinitely looping it with 100% mana discounts though.)I think Graveshifter might be the only changeling in the deck. I removed anything that wasn't Elementals apart from it and the treefolk with Vivid.
>>98287751>That ring shit is expensivewtf it has already climbed to $120? fuck this gay earth. is it ever going to catch a reprint??
>>98287781Isn't it in the Hobbit set?
>>98287781>reprintUnless it comes in The Hobbit set, no, and like those Final Fantasy cards the price will just keep rising.
>>98287772It's fine for b3 if you can handle being targeted as you're using ashling, just sandbag or better yet swap out the cards that enable early turn wins for resiliency and value while maintaining the ability to combo off t7+, this way you are not a glass cannon while still able to combo off "at the appropriate time"
Should I rebuild him, chat?>pirate themed>ocean themed>sea monsters>greed, treasures, sparkly stuff>bracket 1I'm tempted.
>>98287794If I swap out cards like Heatless Summoning and Semblance Anvil for Herald's Horn and Gathering stone that would hopefully have the intended delay.I would have to assemble far more combo pieces to get my discounts up higher, and spend more mana while doing so.
>>98287807>Prieto in name>is actually prieto in artBased
>>98287692Glint-eye I guess is an aversion to white? I don't know about this one, honestly. The glint is white and it gets in its eye? The draw effect is analagous to ophidian eye, though. Not sure about the psychatog effect, that feels misplaced, but I guess it's within color.
>>98287807True bracket 1 games are hard to come by, but if you have a group, and you are really going to go hard on the heavy pirate themes, not just put good cards in it, sure.
>>98287870I'm 100% of the opinion that if every card isn't just a random ass one-off (that's pretty much only included due to the art) then it's going to be b2 at the least. Bracket 1 is next to impossible to intentionally build, it's literally the kids-table difficulty. Even just having consistent card draw will make it bracket 2 by default
Dance of the Elephants
>>98287870>>98287903I'll try to slowly bring it to bracket 2, but I need at least one bracket 1 to bring out with others and have fun at the end of the night, especially after a bunch of beers, you know what I am saying?
>>98288042Bot broke
>>98288046Fuck you ;(
>>98288045You can have fun with b2, it doesn't have to be b1 to "have fun". Just use a very basic mana base (filter/battle/reveal/check lands and the rest basics) and restrict the budget to like.. $1 at most per card. I have plenty of decks (Tajic Blade of the Legion, Grist the Hunger Tide, Yarok Attractions) where the average card price is like 30 cents or less and they're all great for b2 games
>>98288045Brackrt 2 is synergy + fun, winning with a strategy but has limitations and actively cuts out cards that are too strong.Bracket 1 is random nonsense with a theme, winning by happenstance.I don't see why drinking would make 1 more fun than 2, but I don't drink, so I wouldn't know.
>unban Jeweled Lotus>unban Rofellos>t1 play jeweled lotus, Azusa, forest, forest, forest, rofellos, concordant crossroads, oracle of mul daya, forestGreen bros...
>>98288045when did retards start thinking that bracket 2 is the not-fun category? it's literally "this is my theme and here's the fun cards I play with it". just stop being dumb and thinking that shit like the one ring/rhystic study/thoracle is what makes a deck no longer bracket 2
>>98288082>t2 untap with 8 mana at leastHell yeah!
I luv' me Bracket 2 Azula deck
I don’t think bracket one needs to be random nonsense, I think the main goal of the deck shouldn’t be to win. Building a deck with the sole purpose of flavor of pirate roleplay first makes it bracket one. But you need to be willing to cut good cards to make space for dogshit fun cards like Skeleton Ship. Or building a deck that wants to end the game in a draw or something. You could build an expensive and well tuned bracket one deck if the goal of the deck was to end the game in a draw with Divine Intervention with all layers alive. It’s all about perspective and intention during deck building.
>>98288082>reserved listrofellos will never be unbanned because wotc can't profit from doing so
When did this bracket cancer started? I don't remember such thing when Return to Ravnica released.
>>98288088>Building a deck with the sole purpose of flavor of pirate roleplay first makes it bracket one.Objectively false, and it's why I'm absolutely convinced no one on this damn board has a true/pure bracket 2 deck. >You could build an expensive and well tuned bracket one deckThe only way it'd be expensive is if you hunt down all the trash cards from like.. fucking Alpha/Revised instead of functional reprints, or include the $50 SLD arts instead of the original prints. No true bracket 1 deck is expensive OR well-tuned. The very fact that it's well-tuned makes it bracket 2 at the least, bordering on 3.
>>98288092don't change the channel we're having a good conversation here
>>98288100Continue , but answer too, please.
>>98288092After "The Happening" when Dockside Extortionist, Jeweled Lotus, Mana Crypt, and Nadu got banned. This caused a *massive* shitstorm causing investortards and tryhard sweaties to send nonstop death threats to the Rules Committee, who all decided to resign and hand over the rules-making to WotC. Then they created Brackets to try and fix the "yeah uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this deck is like a 7" talks at LGSs
>>98288096I mean, so you’re defining bracket one as literal unplayable garbage? What are we saying here? Would Ashling and 99 mountains be bracket two because it has a game plan to win?? If I built a deck that was entirely composed of bugs, like Goliath beetle, and I included cultivate, it would be bracket two because I’m trying to put any level of smoothing into the deck to make it playable? In my opinion, bracket one exists for people to play with decks that don’t prioritize winning. You can have good, expensive cards in a deck and still have the EV of the decks performance be low. I could have a dual land in a deck of vanilla creatures. Building a group hug deck that has no drawbacks and ends the game in a draw seems like the perfect example of a bracket one deck that is “optimized”. Honestly, that would make the bracket one game more fun because at least someone would be drawing you cards in your “sitting tribal” deck.
>>98288103Some correctionsThe rule committee were looking to get out of the game for a while and so they pointed to a handful of retards on Twitter and cried "dweath thweats!!!!!" as their excuse
>>98288125>In my opinionNo one cares what your opinion is. The bracket guidelines have been known for too long for dipshits like you to be like "WELL ACKSHUALLY THIS IS WHAT I THINK IT IS..................."
>>98288141This is just EDH as a whole. Before brackets we got to argue what we thought a 7 was.
>>98287781It's funny because Post Malone doesn't even use the 1/1 TOR because the card is so fucking boring. This was even before brackets. He uses it as a treasure token lmao.
