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>>98299995
>TQ

Xenos Rampant.

18 knights per box, apparently there'll be a separate command sprue. This and the other knight sprue shows less customisation than frostgrave/stargrave boxes, but I like that they are chunkier than the Perry Agincourt knights.

>>98300053
gofile
.io
/d/vijU0u

>>98299932
That their recent kits are better, arab horse archers are very recent.
Arabs might be their worst range though.
>>98300054
They look just like me fr fr.

>>98300193
They're a bit too broad in scope.

Is Baron's War fun? I thought about getting the retinue box they dropped today just as a small project, I figured I could use the stuff for a couple of games either way. But you only get a few mounted knights in it.

>>98300054
>I like that they are chunkier
same, I just like the chunky heroic style minis more

Also, anyone got No Stars in Sight, Clash on The Fringe or Elf Knyghte Pyke Sworde pdf? I don't like buying stuff blind

>>98299995
damn id battle all those monsters just to get to stick my dih in that puhh

>>98300215
It's alright, nothing exceptional. My theory is that it's only as "popular" as it is because it has its own starter set, which most medieval skirmish games don't

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Redpill me on Sword Weirdos. The artstyle and general language used in the rulebook feel extremely obnoxious and give me tumblresque boutique vibes. What does it do better than OPR as a low model count skirmish game?

>>98300666
> The artstyle and general language used in the rulebook feel extremely obnoxious and give me tumblresque boutique vibes.
There is a single piece of art in the whole "book" and that is the cover. I guess you could call it tumblresque, but honestly I couldn't care less about the cover if the game is good. The language is simple straight matter of fact explanation. What are you even talking about? Are we looking at the same thing?
>What does it do better than OPR as a low model count skirmish game?
Fast, simple, makes it easy for you to just grab a thematic group of minis and play with them. Very easy to homebrew stuff for it. The dice system is great. I actually don't know shit about OPR skirmish scale, only played the larger scale Grimdark version twice and it was enough.

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>>98299995
>What is your most played alternative wargame?
Fallout Wasteland Warfare, by a long long margin.

>>98300666
It's a good fun game, but Planet 28 does the exact same thing and feels a lot better to me.

Is this where we can discuss Quar?

>>98301590
Yes lots of Quar here >>98300905

>>98299995
>What is your most played alternative wargame?
All time, Malifaux.
Recently, W!R

>>98300215
I've got it and after playing two games I have to say I don't love it. It feels about 20% more detailed than it should be.

Of course, the models are usable in any medieval game and most fantasy games, so the rules aren't a reason to hold back. I use them for my Oathmark army

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What's /awg/'s opinion on Open Combat? Game has been around for ages, has a custom profile builder baked in, obviously is mini agnostic and requires only 24"x24" of play area. Is there any reason why I don't see it being recommended here?

>>98302468
I've recommended it. Fantastical elements are pure fluff: use an orc mini and say his "crossbow" is a magic missile. It does seem to balance "one super strong guy vs many weak guys" better than most games, though I haven't stress tested it.
Ultra simple dude building makes it good for, "grab some minis and stat them out in two minutes".

>>98302468
>Is there any reason why I don't see it being recommended here?
No idea, but I like it. Although only tried it once.

>>98300666
We've been getting raided by tumblrinas lately, don't rile them up

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>>98301590
Yes quite the place. There was a experiment to do a Quar general but it didn't have enough traction to justify a third thread.

On that note got my new phone so I'm back to being able to post photos. Got my Quar order, only took about 3.5 weeks. Problem was they sold out of the rulebook and needed another run. WGA got their restock right away but Mr. Q had a long delay getting his shipment. Kind of bummed due to how busy I am currently so it's probably going to be a couple months till I have time to do anything with it.

does anyone know of a light scifi skirmish game that has a solo/coop 'doomed last stand against unending horde' kind of game? Ideally with a little more strategy/objective than turtle up and shoot.

>>98303122
Xenoforce has xcom like dudes vs aliens that have stats as mobs. Don't remember a specific reinforcements/horde setup but wouldn't be hard to make.

>>98302951
>There was a experiment to do a Quar general but it didn't
probably because the inorganic pushing of this shit is unnatural. this game was nowhere a few months ago now I see it being mentioned even in off-topic places.

Seems to me like the only thing it has going for it is the discord-reddit cutesy aesthetic to the anteater things.
All the sculpts are low quality and I have seen not one mention of it's qualities as a game, everything boils down to "painting the heckin cute anteaters is fun!"
This fad will lose steam, if it's even actually got steam rather than funding.

>>98303330
Definitely feel the same, the game has existed for 20 years and ive never heard of it, suddenly in the last few months it's everywhere (online) still never seen it in physical anywhere though.
Somebody is paying for this.

>>98303330
The rules are free and from what I have seen pretty solid. There is not much to discuss in that department. From what I remember it actually represents ww1 small scale warfare pretty well with all the suppression from being shot at and units getting stunlocked out of fear, damage and the sounds of artillery landing right next to them. Except for the napoleon guys they are all veterans.

>>98303238
Never heard of it before. Got anything to share?

>>98303454
>from what I have seen
Soo you also do not play?

>>98303454
>rules are free
Are they? since the rest of the rules are behind of a paywall. At the least the interesting part.
WGA have actually free rules for their deathfield game though

>>98303541
Yeah. I live in tabletop desert.

>>98303551
So that's another point in the "think it looks nifty" column.

>>98303330
>probably because the inorganic pushing of this shit is unnatural. this game was nowhere a few months ago now I see it being mentioned even in off-topic places.
This is the HIPS-kits magic, simple as. Fake grogs and LARPers on /tg/ act like it doesn't matter and metal is the best material ever but annual WSS survey - the biggest wargaming survey to my knowledge - shows a tremendous popularity of plastic kits among hobbyists and growing dominance of HIPS kits over other materials every year.

>>98303122
I've been working on a Helldivers 2 inspired ruleset for the last few months

>>98303681
Why not just play Halo Flashpoint with ODSTs?

>>98303665
>HIPS is the fastest rising material in popularityu
Photocure Resin, akshually.

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>>98303681
>>98303122
Have you checked out OPR horde mode?

I remember seeing someone made Helldivers themed rules for a faction in OPR too, granted, it seemed a bit nonsense, like it didnt factor in SEAF and just had like 20 helldivers and different variants of them. So I would be actually interested myself to see someone make rules where you have only 4 highly customized guys, and the rest are chaff SEAF that arent as effective, so you get the the whole aspect of a final stand because the chaff are getting hosed down while your "heroes" do the heavy lifting.

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>>98303708
Acthually, wrong. Printing files are getting popular than printing itself. People got so used to the subscription slavery system they hoard files and data with no intention to use it anytime soon. High sales of files don't equal high numbers of prints you will see in the wild.

>>98303730
Actually, buying GW HIPS boxes and stacking them like firewood against the wall behind where you sit to record youtube is very popular, but these people hoard plastic and have no intention to use it anytime (ever, not soon) high sales of kits don't equal high numbers of painted models being used by actual hobbyists.

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>>98303330
>>98303381
the game existed as a dude casting metal minis in his shed with rules being
>a Song of Blades and Heroes redesign skirmish scale
>15mm and 28mm mass battle games
Some years after a relaunch of the 15mm scale it got picked up by WGA for 28mm plastic kits(based on the softer-cuter chunky 15mm designs) while they also made a more refined new skirmish ruleset and some yutuber got lucky on the algo with
>omg new warhammer alternative :O
slop despite the game playing nothing like WH40k

I think that's how it got big, it grew over the years and didn't just pop up. And I think it's the players paying for it, otherwise I don't know how else or why there'd be new plastic kits through WGA again and again
There are two other factions waiting in the WGA release-pipeline for around a year now

>All the sculpts are low quality and I have seen not one mention of it's qualities as a game
Sounds like a you problem, I like my little guys and how fast back and forth the game is with reactions. My biggest gripe is the relatively high amount of tokens/markers.
I do admit that some of the metals and the old artstyle looked cooler, if not better.

>>98303742
Great Wargaming Survey is not based on sales, people declare what is their preferred material for modelling.

>>98300054
>Xenos Rampant
If you were to shill the game to a fellow anon, what would you say you like about it?

>>98303707
Because Halo Flashpoint doing pit you against endless waves of mindless enemies?

>>98303782
self-reporting has no value if it doesn't gatekeep the responses to weed out anyone who can't verify that they model.
And it suffers the same fault as every other survey in existence
No one ever asked me, no one ever even told me this survey was happening. Sure on the individual level that is meaningless, but I am no snowflake here, there is no global conspiracy to keep me from polls, so this means an unknown number of hobbyists are exactly like me in this, maybe even a majority, who knows? Not the survey guys, that's for sure.
If these questions are being asked at conventions and such then it's a guarantee that HIPS will appear to be more popular than Resin or Metal, recasters and printers know that we're not welcome at corporate sponsored events.

>>98303713
>Have you checked out OPR horde mode?

didnt know it had one, is that in the 'advanced' (patreon paywall) section? I'll see if I can find a download.

>>98303810
https://onepagerules.com/games/grimdark-future
Its in this section, theres one for fantasy aswell.

>>98303796
It's getting a Firefight mode this year apparently.

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>>98303534
Haven't tried it out yet, got it from the share thread a while ago and its worked its way to the top of the 'to read' pile. Fairly specific design, which I tend to like more than generalist games but no deeper ideas yet.

>>98303784

I like how the rules are intuitive, consistent and that they address the biggest problem people have with the rampant games activation system. There's plenty of customisation for units and you can use them for all sorts of sci-fi wargaming scenarios. You could also house-rule them pretty easily.

>>98303797
>No one ever asked me, no one ever even told me this survey was happening
No one forces you to waste your life on 4chan.
>If these questions are being asked at conventions
Nope, it's a public online survey.

>>98303571
If you are interested we could try it out together on tabletop sim or something.

>>98304043
>online survey.
Oh wow, so even worse than face-to-face independent reporting, shits wide open to GW paying for bots.

>>98304136
By this logic literally no survey is valid. I'm not really sure what is your point now except for being a contrarian for the sake of contrarianism.

>>98303534
Off-brand co-op space marine spec ops missions. Big dice pools and Battletech like damage locations.
It's not really light, and assumes your dudes are actually trying to achieve something and leave, but a last stand shouldn't be hard to arrange.

>>98304168
Yes, most surveys are worthless.
Unless the ENTIRE population that the survey is relevant to participates AND the verification process is stringent, surveys are misleading at best.
Reliance on polling is a holdover of a mentality that is at least 50 years old, most people who grew up in the world of computers and internet understand on some level that that sort of thing is too easily falsified to have value.
It's readily observed by average people today that polls and similar things are a tool used by wealthy entities to provide a shred of legitimization to opinions and ideas those wealthy entities want to exist in the public memesphere.

>>98304209
The smartest homeschooled Anon btw.

>>98304224
Polling and surveying were very valuable tools before the internet, the best of an inefficient communication infrastructure, how does a guy 3000 miles away get an idea of how your community thinks, what they want? You send out questionnaires to gauge that opinion.
But now you can just open your phone and navigate directly to a place where those wants and opinions are expressed in real time 24/7/365.
Yes, that requires a bit more effort, it's a lot more information, but false reporting is going to be much less prevalent, who is going to spend thousands of dollars to fill a forum with bots in the chance that maybe someone relevant is watching that discussion on that forum at that specific time? That sort of thing is easy when a specific poll is put up, go tot hat exact poll and buy a thousand bots, done and dusted.

Public discourse is right fucking there to observe now, but it's more effort to do so and get good information. It's necessary though because like particles, opinions behave differently when they know they're being observed.

>ITT
"anything that disagrees with me is invalid because it doesn't confirm my bias"

>>98302468
I enjoy it so much I bought a hardback copy, it's very flexible, easy to learn and most importantly, it's fun.

>>98304585
No, "studies" which lack the rigor of scientific method are invalid.

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Eh I think it's time to cut the losses and make a back-up of all the AoFS v3.5.X content before OPR switches to v3.6.
After the absolute mess of switching from v3.4 to v3.5 I really don't feel like going through this again - especially since 3.5.3 army books are fine and playable.
Perhaps I will take Skirmish advanced rules, all the mission packs and army books and combine them into a single big v3.5 battle bible and have a go-to kitchen table game to play forever with my pals.

>>98304921
It's fucking disgraceful for a company that claims to be for the players to not provide access to older editions.

>>98304921
i just think triplification is gay
>>98304960
honestly. especially paid books, they auto update if you aren't keeping records. i understand trying to become GW but maybe care a little about people

>>98304960
>>98304966
Yeah I don't this as well. I was lucky that some Anon here collected all the v3.4 books and I'm thinking about doing the same for v3.5 for all the game variants and not moving forward with any upcoming edition. The game was good already damn it, there is no need to release new editions. Just give us more narrative content ffs.

>>98305193
Care to share your 3.4 trove?

>>98305193
Glad my uploading the 3.4 stuff was helpful to Anons. OPR are actively destroying their games, all to try to get the sweatiest players, Discord sycophants and new players buying their branded plastics, in order to make themselves the next GW

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>>98305193
i have all these, but none of the narrative books. i guess save down the regular ones

>>98305472
Do you have 3.5.x armybooks by any chance? I have saved Skirmish ones since that's the game I'm playing mostly.

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>>98294689
Well I caved and bought the STL's for that Full Spectrum Dominance game. Printed em up. These tiny little guys are such cute death troopers.

>>98305703
Those look really nice!
Any chance you could share some files?

>>98305703
Are they printed in resin or FDM?

>>98305759
Buy them yourself you freeloading jackass

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>>98305921
They are incredibly small so there's no real chance of FDM printing them with any kind of detail.

>>98305759
They're a decent deal. Can get the whole army's files for $40. Im eying the beautiful terrain though, I really want those. Might get a bit pricey. Charging $10 for the rules is sorta ballsy though if you want your game to grow. There's not even a demo or anything.

>>98305959
Yeah, I've been skeptical of the whole thing since it's all paywalled, not even a little taste to know what you're getting into.
I suppose I'll wait a bit longer to see if the game takes off around here, otherwise it's just some nice looking models.

>>98304043
>No one forces you to waste your life on 4chan.
The WWS survey gets shared here regularly. And it's results too. If that Anon here never heard about it, he must be new. Here, and to the hobby, because it's shared pretty much everywhere else too.

>>98303797
>recasters and printers know that we're not welcome at corporate sponsored events.

What a load of bullshit.

>>98304136
>shits wide open to GW paying for bots.

Just to follow up with the next boogyman. Tell us Anon, what would GW gain from manipulating an independent survey to show Plastic is the preferred material, when the magazine that hosts the survey does not even cover GW games?

>>98304043
>public online survey.
So literally a no-games survey.

>>98303797
>printers know that we're not welcome at corporate sponsored events
WSS magazine covers STL releases as well, that's how I learnt about some more niche historical scenery creators.

>>98305703
How did you base them? I'm looking into 6mm mech stuff right now.

>>98306596
t did not even read the questions

>>98303797
>printers know that we're not welcome at corporate sponsored events
Someone tell this to SFG, Mantic, TTCombat and other big brands that switched to selling STLs and 3D prints, they will be devastated. Moron.

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Can any of the OPR bros explain to me why aura bubbles from 3.4 were replaced with "pick 3 other units before the start of the game to give them bonus" in 3.5? What was the reason for that? What was the community's opinion on that? Personally, I find it lame since aura bubbles force you to think about your positioning twice.

>>98306994

Not an OPR bro per se, but I think it's a move towards removing excessive measuring and the consequent arguments about said measurements. In other words, it's for the tournament people.

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>>98305759
Here you go my fellow sailor of the high seas.
gofile
.io
/d/iBTJKc

>>98305921
Get rekt lol. You're a slave to money and have no business here.

>>98305959
I have the 1.6 ruleset as well as 8 terrain bundles but you didn't really bother to share when asked, did you Mr. Decent Deal?

>>98306994
Probably to avoid arguments over whether a unit is in the bubble, avoid defining how much overlap counts as 'in', remove fussy positional movement that slows the game down, and minimise the feelsbad of two players having different ideas of how the above is working on the table in a given moment.
It makes writing clean rules easier for writers, and playing clean games easier for players.
Basically, removing friction points because people are bad at playing games and just want to roll dice.
I don't play play in tournaments nowadays, but those years forcing me to get into the habit of talking through my positional choices as I make them, to ensure both players are on the same page, has been a huge boon to the enjoyment of future games.

>>98303797
>printers know that we're not welcome at corporate sponsored events.
Not been to many of the bigger Euro trade cons then.
Can barely find good non-ACW toys amid the shitty print stalls at places like Salute.

>>98306630
Smothered superglue on the base then sprinkled a tiny bit of sand on it to be larger rocks, then dipped in baking soda for the fine sand.

>>98305493
/d/0vgGAf
only alien hives...for some reason.

frostgrave question
can i cast any of my out of game spells before the first game? or is it only in the space between games after. i want my familiar, its already on the mini

>>98307746
You can cast before game spells before the 1st game. It's been awhile since I've read frostgrave but not being able to would gimp some wizards (necromancer, demonolgists)

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>>98307025
We all know how to pirate things, third worlder. But since we're spoonfeeding anyway and it looks like the cat is out of the bag I'll throw the rulebook out there too. It really should probably be free (or at least cheap) anyway and I think hiding all the unit stats separately in cards is annoying. I encourage people to give the guy a few bucks if you like this stuff.

/d/DARUze

>>98307025
>>98307811

based cantankerous yet cooperative grogs

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>>98307746
>>98307803
in 2ed, it lists with the spell, which can be cast before and after.

>>98308551
>A is for After and B is for Before.
Designer-sama!

>>98307746
Which animal companion?
Snow leopard or bear?

>>98307728
Thank you Anon but I meant the armybooks - with rules, points etc. They are downloadable from OPR website but you have to click one by one multiple times and I was hoping someone already did it.

>>98307803
I think the recent spell focused book also added/suggested some special cases for certain A spells being cast before the first game.

>Want to be at home building plastic goblins
>have to be at my job keeping people from dying instead
:(

>>98308947
>have to be at my job keeping people from dying instead
I respect you anon

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Some Reaper succubi I'm working on.
Unsure what they can be used for outside of rpg mooks or harpy proxies for dark elves in OPR.

>>98308947
Taking a break from TikTok?

>>98309150
Thinking about getting some, clipping the wings, and adding some flock to make sexy dryads.

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>>98309150
Sexy reaper babes?

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>>98309569

>>98309569
>>98309577
Based.

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>>98309569
Speaking of, sad news: Savage Beauty is now oop.

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>>98309577
I don't know what this exposed ass on the back is called, but I like it.

>>98309715
This makes me feel much better about my painting.

>>98309715
Me too.
>>98309859
Post it so we can judge your stuff too.

>>98309715
Ass Cleavage

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Has anyone ever played an epic scale fantasy wargame? I hear Warmaster is pretty neat, and it seems to be the only one thats at all popular.

>signed up for OPR tournament in early October
>They're threatening to do their big rules update in September
So everyone's list is going to be fucked up? I'm going to have to scramble at the last second? I want to like OPR but they refactor build options pretty hard sometimes. Almost feel like a sucker planning ahead for this, knowing I'm going to have to change it up.

>>98310194
The venn diagram between people who like epic scale and people who only play strict historicals is close to being a circle.

>>98310535
reach out to the orgs to see if they are switching?
unless its specifically a 3.6 tourney, they might be sticking to 3.5

>>98310194
don't listen too
>>98310552
he's retarded
Mass battle fantasy in 15mm/10mm/6mm if very popular but its strictly /awg/ rulesets
I'm currently writing my own rules but two of my fav games are Sword and Spear Fantasy and Fantastic Battles. Honorary mention goes to Impetus and Impetus Fantasy

>>98310856
Can you tell me any of the differences between them?

>>98310868
Well Sword and Spear Fantasy is an evolution of historical rules of the same name. Units are single based with no stand removal like Kings of War. The combat resolution system is based on command and colors where units roll a number of dice and line them up highest to lowest and compare. Depending on how much you win each dice paring by determines the effect. There are several unit traits and fantasy trappings like weapons and armor that can modify that. Has a unique command system where in both sides put dice into a communal bag (one per unit) and drawn 7 per impulse. Which ever side gets more dice as the initiative. Roll dice and assign them to units for actions.

Fantastic Battles is a little more like warmaster in that units are made up of companies (typically 1-4) but there is no individual stand removal, the hp is totaled for the entire unit. Buckets of dice d6 vs unit defense number to hit, the usual smattering of fantasy and mundane traits for unit differentiation. Command is by commanders, where in each commander activates units near it. Units out of command of any commander roll on a table to see what they do.

Both sets allow custom building units and you can't go wrong with either of them. Both PDFs are out in the wild and easy to find so try em both out.

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>>98310868
>>98310879
Now I'll ramble on about my own game. Still in dev but I've had some great test games so far and last weekend got some buddies to play. At its core its a d8 buckets of dice opposed roll system. In combat units roll a number of d8 equal to their strength rating and take the highest. This number is then modified by any dice that = or exceed the units experience stat. This final number is compared to the enemy and the difference determines the effect. Units are also rated for discipline, which is used when performing complex commands in battle like counter charging, halting a pursuit, reforming, ect. Resolve is used for shaking off disorder, if it fails that roll the unit takes permanent damage. Impact the the bonus when charging or counter charging, ranged is how well it can shoot, and protection modifies the MOS when the unit looses a fight. Finally I've got over 50 traits sorted out for further unit differentiation. Pic related is the stat line for units used in the last test game.
Command and control is character based in that both sides nominate a commander then roll off adding the commanders ability to the total. Highest chooses which commander acts first and then all units in command range are activated followed by the other guy. This goes back and forth until all commanders have activated. Any units that were out of command then have to pass a discipline check or roll on a random action table.

>>98307811
> 136 pages
> Multiple pages explaining how to roll dice
> No sequence of play overview at the back
Into the trash it goes. I can't stand every RPG and wargame feels the need to explain in excruciating detail how to do the most basic things while not providing a quick reference for how the game actually plays. Imagine trying to actually play the game off this rulebook, you're going to be flipping pages till your fingers are cut up.

I had this problem with Traitor's Toll also, at least they provide a 2 page player aid which is almost enough to throw out the rulebook. This is something board wargames do a lot better - you're almost always given a player aid card with the rules and tables easily accessible. Usually no more than 32 pages. Explanation of the components yes but please spare me the explanation what a d8 is. I like the good graphic design it doesn't all have to be super spartan word files like NWG puts out but I would like a bit of consideration for usability of the book.

>>98310194
I've played my fair share of 10mm games by just taking existing 28mm scale games and using cm instead of in. Lots of fun and you can carry a whole game in a briefcase as a carry-on on the plane

>>98311228
There's a quick reference sheet. Anon simply didn't include it because giving away stuff for free causes him great pain.

Does Quar have different games for different scales or is it just the same thing but with smaller measurements?

>>98312746
Different games and different scales.
A 28mm mass battle that will get a new release sometime in the future.
A 15mm mass battle.
And the newest, a 28mm scale skirmish.
There was also a Flying Lead modification for 28mm skirmish.
See https://rhyfler.com/rulebooks/

>>98306994
Players are constantly complaining about token usage in OPR.

In v3.4 for each hero you had to place 3 tokens every round, since skirmish armies usually have 2 heroes that's placing 12 tokens every round, but then at the end of the round you also have to remove all the tokens again, and then at the start of the next round you have to place them again, and so on. That means that over the course of a 4 round game, the players collectively placed up to 48 tokens, and removed 36 tokens, and this is only counting hero aura tokens. Then there's all the other tokens like activations, wounds, fatigue, and so on.

In v3.5 for each hero you only place the tokens at the beginning of the game, so you place your 12 tokens once and that's it. That is why the change was made, don't listen to the bottom-of-the-barrel idiots that bounced off OPR because the devs aren't shaping the games to be exactly their own special snowflake version of 40k should be.

>>98310535
OPR has been updating their games every September/October for the last 5+ years. Every single year, they give a warning before the update goes out, so people that are playing tournaments or campaigns can download all their lists and still play with their armies regardless of what the update brings.

Unrelated to you, but it is baffling that to this day there are still people that are fearmongering about updates when they are repeatedly communicating their intentions in their news updates, patreon posts, and their monthly streams. Keeping up with OPR in /awg/ is so fucking retarded, no wonder most people have migrated to the discord, only the retards have stayed on here.

>>98300781
That's cool.

>>98299995
anyone have experience with
Archon Studio Masters of The Universe Battleground

INCOUNTRY it looks like modern warfare wargame
smash or pass?

>>98315758
>every September/October
I like my updates at best every 5 years. If they can be done once every 10 it would be great.
So you know people actually have time to properly play and test this shit and you know finish an army, before they change it every year like some kind of esport tournament game shit.

>>98317410
I strongly agree in principle. However, in the case of OPR, it seems like they feel an obligation to Keep Up with Game Workshops' own release schedule. OPR remains, fundamentally, a Warhammer replacement system instead of something that exists discretely, which is why every single unit in the game has a 1:1 GW model equivalent except outside the one or two OC factions. By and large, if Nottingham releases new plastic every year (they do) then OPR is stuck on the same treadmill to maintain the whole "pick up and use your Warhammer army instantly" gimmick.
The solution would be a clean break from GW, which they probably would love to do, but the 1:1 GW portability remains a lynchpin selling point for the unfortunate company. I don't know if they have an easy solution from their perspective.

>>98317794
Most GW releases are hardly new things or at least things so new that can't be proxy by something else.
Like dude with sword and gun is some how different from dude with gun and sword.
Even shit like squats can be done with Imperial Guard hell even GSC back in 3rd was just their own citadel journal codex or playing with Imperial Guard rules.
What I'm trying to say is that just because GW release something "new" means OPR is going to change the rules every fucking year when in reality there is no need for that. Specially if your entire gimmick is proxy the rulebook.

>>98317880
>dude with sword and gun is some how different from dude with gun and sword.
Has anyone here ever tried playing an old collection with newfags and using space marines as primaris marines? I honestly think the new crowd might have a heart attack over something like that.

Do you guys write out narrative campaigns with named characters and such for you games or do you just play it more casually?

>>98317917
People have had a tantrum with my old metal sisters.
Specially regarding bases. I mean till this day GW does not have an official base size for models. Closest thing I remember was the height system from 4th. The only other time size of a model or base was mentioned when they said "use the base the model came with". Extremely funny when during that time the Imperial Guard heavy weapon squad came with 25mm and 60mm bases and you could use whatever style you wanted.
I'm not going to rebase over a 100 models just because the schizo is obsesses with some tournament ruling that we are not currently playing.

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>>98316455
It's genuinely one of, if not the best skirmish games on the market, it hurts that its components are proprietary, but what they do with those dice and measuring sticks is amazing. Models are fantastic and gameplay rules just feel natural. And it has the markets best solo play AI, the game regularly kicks my ass and we've played games that cross table after table as part of a developing narrative adventure.
I have no faith whatsoever in 2nd edition.

>>98317917
>>98318113

What the hell is wrong with these people? How did GW buck break them so bad?

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>>98318139
Their consumer base is a bunch of low intelligence, low self esteem and highly autistic people. Added to the fact that companies have really taken pic related to heart it's easy to see how people like that exist.

>>98318139
You are perceiving it wrong, the vast majority of their current consumer base is not the same as their old customer base, the customers have been driven off (but for a few edge cases) hell, even their employees have fucked off to make their own companies!
The current consumers are selected for being exactly that, GW saw that once upon a time a small number of people buying their products were financially irresponsible, they would fuck themselves on rent and grocery money to buy boxes of miniatures that they would stack like firewood and never open or paint, GW decided that was the kind of person all their consumers needed to be, so they optimized for it.

>>98318139
>>98318169
That anon is right. The old 40k player is long dead in the sense that they fuck off, play old edition or have so much sunken cost fallacy that play newer editions out of fear.
Modern GW market does not play, they just consume and for GW that is great. Making rules is harder than reusing older ideas again and again. Is not like the newer consumer would know that they are reusing things from the past beside when some of the old players shows up and tells them about it.

>>98318132
>I have no faith whatsoever in 2nd edition.
How come? I'm kind of Fallout curious but was considering waiting for the next edition starter set, maybe get the Mothman.

>>98318132
I've been looking at the rules because I'm going to paint up a warband for it and it seems to me like the whole color scheme thing with the measuring sticks is just 2 inch progressions. Or like luck tokens are clearly coin flips but instead it's calling for you to either flip a punch out cardboard token special for it or roll a special d6 for it.
I'm only printing the warband to paint and display I just want it to be a fit to actually play the game with should it come to it, but I'm still tempted to go through all the rules and make myself a cheet sheet to de-proprietize all the dice and such.

>called OnePageRules
>it's not one page
I just can't take it seriously after this

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>>98318169
>buy boxes of miniatures that they would stack like firewood and never open or paint
This is literally me but with nonGW kits so I can at least still afford to save money.
I'm not sure why I'm like this.

>>98318992
If it was one page you would be here complaining it's just a QRS.

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>>98318630
Developed by trans hands and its pushing this whole "the enemy has noticed you by x points, that means it can now shoot at you, but your dog can bark causing a distraction, this lessens youre "Noticed you" points by 2, so the enemy cannot, in fact, see you. What's that? You're standing out in the open? Nah, trust the numbers anon" type of gameplay.

>>98318689
Precisely correct, 2 inch bands per increment and luck is a 50/50 flip, you CAN emulate the dice rolls for the D20 and D12, but it's so much more fun and easy to do it with the real dice. For example, the D20 doesn't have 1 through 20 on it, there are many different faces.
Example of play
>Hunting Rifle has Blue range (10") for short and Black Range (12") for long, you're firing at the enemy who is in the Black, grab two green dice (which are ALWAYS accuracy bonuses) and roll them with your d20 to hit.
>Your perception skill is 6, so you'll roll your D20 + 2 Accuracy dice. You roll a 14 (which is an 8 on the D20) so you fail the shot because you needed six or under, but your accuracey dice came up -2 & -1, bringing your hit roll down to a 5, a smashing shot indeed!

I think you'll have a blast if you try the game anon!
PS: I'm not a shill I just think James Sheahan made something special with this ruleset.

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>>98303330
Good, stay away from it. We dont need retards in the most kino game ever made.

>>98319064
but that was the initial gimmick and whole point. Ultra-light introductory wargaming using market leader miniatures. It doesn't make sense when it's just another miniature game with its own minis

>>98319064
There is a small difference between buying random shit to fill the void in your heart and to be addicted to FOMO. GW is banking on the FOMO crowd.

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>>98319064
Its easy. Pick a single box at random. Open it up. Assemble. Put paint to brush and brush to mini.
Don't mind color theory or complementary colors or any of that shit just wing it and go with what you'd think would be a cool color in the moment.
Before you realize it you've painted something. Keep doing that and you learn little tricks and stuff to make things look better and once you actually make something you think looks neat you'll want to improve.

>>98303330
Gotta agree with this post, seems astroturfed by useful idiots. Post about Turnip28 or Sludge and you will get shat on relentlessly but this nostalgia bait gets a pass!?

>>98319064
i have so many random miniatures from ukge, etsy and other games to build n paint... not even counting my gw backlog... halp.

I did a pledge of my bushido stuff and that helped as i painted + based all my bushido models... but that barely put a dent in my collection...

>>98319215
Good on you for fulfilling your pledge anon. Dedication is key.

>>98319215
>but that barely put a dent in my collection
I'm putting together a whole 100+ goblin army just from my back log, no new purchases.

I think I'm going to be able to do the same with undead and dwarfs. I might have to buy bases, but that's pretty much it.

>>98319184
>Post about Turnip28 or Sludge and you will get shat on relentlessly
See, we won't shit on (you) for posting trechslop. We'll shit on the developer of T28, 28-fags in general, and people who put together a bunch of bare-minimum models but never seem to play games.
>but whatabout
Sludge has a genuinely unique rule set that matches the horrific atmosphere. It helps that the author isn't a sleazy grifter or a cliquey fag, he just plays the game he wrote and fucks around with his friends. plus it's basically a dead game now, which makes it all the dearer to /awg/s heart. Quar are the product of one man's magnificently silly autism. The models are usable for other stuff if you like the look, and now they're cheap as well. So it's become one of the designated "I'm bored and I feel like fucking about" ranges now.

T28 is bland rules written by a patreon grifter, flogging a GW-adjacent heartbreaker to artists pretty much entirely on vibes. Which got killed in turn by the The Next Big GW Heartbreaker and it's own infestation of even more irritating people, who are now shooting themselves in the kneecaps. Got no problem with people who do the Turnip thing themselves, even if it's not my bag. I'll probably compliment any models for it other than messy GS work covered in chestnut ink, people come up with some cool shit for it.

>>98319111
I just finished watching a video on the upcoming (news to me as of today) "second edition" and it looks like a game that only shares the fallout name and miniatures with everything else being entirely new, it also looks like it is primarily focused on solo play.

>>98319135
>kino
someone who uses this word without refering to a form of gambling is exactly the kind of person I'd expect to like it.

>>98319674
>So it's become one of the designated "I'm bored and I feel like fucking about" ranges now.
Not completely sure, but wouldn't Magnagothica fit this same niche? I kind of like it, but I'm completely sure I would not be able to play it ever where I live.

>>98318076
For my solo stuff and some stuff I've done with a friend, aye

>>98320088
>but wouldn't Magnagothica fit this same niche?
No, its not even made to be played with models.

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>Game allows no pre-measuring
>You can check if you have a top-down Line of Sight with a measuring tape only after announcing an action and committing to it
Yay or nay? My playgroup started to add a 'no pre-measuring' rule to random games lately just for shit and giggles and it's growing on us.

>>98320594
Mostly good, it'll upset a few spatially challenged anons or ones who've never built anything but measurement and eyeballing distance is an easy skill to learn.

>>98320594
It's based and way more fun. Most /awg/ would be better off with no pre-measuring. 40k actually used to have no pre-measuring but, typical Warhammer cucks, maybe players developed techniques to place pre-measured terrain and stuff to cheat and accurately guess precise distances. That is a Warhammer player type of behavior, and would never be a problem with normal people though

>>98320594
I've always found The Carpenter Advantage to be annoying but I seem to be in the minority. Might be because my main game is battletech and it's all objective hex grid rather than true movement.

>>98320625
you mean you can't look at a table and, knowing it's dimensions, visualize measurements?
Like, if you're playing a 2'x2' board it's really fucking easy to see 6" without having to use a tape for it.

>>98320720
That's not what I said, but I'm not gonna engage with you further due to your unnecessarily accusatory and hostile demeanor

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>>98320594
>>98320625
The problem with allowing pre measure and measuring whenever you want is that it encourages that homoerotic behavior you see in 40k when dudes will spend ages meticulously positioning their dudes just to make sure they're 1mm outside of the all of their opponents models range, and measuring over and over again just to be sure ~ completely ruining the spirit of the game and the whole point of wargaming

>>98320752
That's honestly just a symptom of 40kucks, and they will behave like that no matter what way the rules are written. On the flip side, literally every single historical boomer I've ever played with has said "ehh, close enough" when I find myself an inch or so too short

>>98320752
>>98320774
This is just competitive mindset yeah.

>>98320594
I'd say nay. If your going to ban measuring you might as well use spring loaded cannons and resolve shooting by what models get knocked over.

>>98320890
Work on your reading comprehension dumb nigga. Spend less time doom scrolling and more time with your head in the books

>>98320752
A non issue when playing with gentleman.

>>98320915
I'm just saying, if the goal is to reward players for goofy mini games they should at least be fun mini games.
Guessing distances isn't particularly fun.
Shooting toy cannons is fun.
Seeing who can drink the most or fit the most marshmallows in the mouth is better.

>>98320915
>Calls people dumb for not wanting to play carpentry games
Don't you have some shoes to whittle or butter to churn?

>>98320088
>Not completely sure, but wouldn't Magnagothica fit this same niche?
It's more like the way everyone who enjoyed painting for its own sake in the 90s and early 2000s had some Confrontation models even if they never played. Me included. Same goes for random cheap Soda Pop/CMoN board game expansions in the 'teens. Shit went on clearance all the time, there were some legitimately nice minis in there, and it was good stuff for taking a break. Dumb little anteaters trying their best while bumblefucking about in Art Deco gear is good clean fun.

>>98320594
>it works for my group
>should I just commit to it?
Fuck's sake Anon, are you rarted?

>>98319064
If you're like me, probably because you buy them thinking of having painted minis rather than getting to paint minis. Painting is thus established a barrier to properly enjoying them rather than a key part of enjoying them. Especially because the gap between what I can achieve and what internet pictures have led me to expect bothers my perfectionism.
I for one just need to sit down and paint shit badly. It gets things usable, and is actually fun to do. And if they do really suck I can always fix them up more later.

>>98321069
I have been painting for years and only recently have I just finally started to feel like my models are looking decent. Still not as good as anything I see online

>>98320966
>Fuck's sake Anon, are you rarted?
Are you, Anon? He clearly shared what his playgroup is doing and wanted to know what's other people's opinion on this kind of rules. This is called a discussion starter.

>>98319064
I don't mean to insult, but hoarding is actually something you should talk with your doctor about. Maybe in your case it's not completely out of hand yet, but I'm sure you've seen pictures of wall high stacks of boxes with stuff, not necessarily Warhammer or miniatures, but also car kits, shoes, cloth or all other things people like to "collect".
Selling stuff on eBay or similar platforms is always an option, and sometimes it's surprising how much money you have sitting in your shelf, collecting literal dust.
Last year I got rid of my WW2 stuff I hadn't touched in years, and this year I decided my love for MESBG won't come back anytime soon, so I sold that stuff as well. (And now I have some extra space and money to buy more miniatures)

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>>98319111
Grim.

>>98321218
They obviously wanted FNV audience and seem to have succeeded in that goal.

>>98320752
How comes their clear acrylic is cheaper than mdf? Am I the worst shopper alive?

>>98321264
Warhammer piggies don't give two shits about what's cheap. They used clear plastic so they can better micro manage like this >>98320752

Whats the verdict on Greathelm? Are the full rules floating around?

>>98321370
Greathelm is a board game, not a wargame. This is a general for Wargaming

>>98321383
Fuck off retard.

>>98321383
Huh? What are you even on about

With CMON's financial woes looking grim and it's looking like Song of Ice and Fire/(aka ASOIAF) miniatures game is going to possibly die off soon. What's an alternative rank-and-file wargame that's similar to this or Warhammer Fantasy/Old World? Can be historical or not, doesn't really matter as long as it's proper rank-and-file style.

>>98321649
KoW

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>>98321649
Fantasy Rules!, Armies of Arcana, Warhammer Ancient Battles, Midgard, War of Orcs and Dwarves, and God of Battles.

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>>98302951
>>98301590

Yar, sad to say, you, me, that guy and the butcher's dog aren't quite enough to maintain a day to day general and also pursue our own health and wellbeing.

My Krassyl is coming along.
Gonna freehand on a Flying Squirrel one side, and a Long-snouted Pig-faced Bascinet helm on the other, since looking at the rules, the Krassyl seems designed to make high-speed off-center "lancing" passes with it's 90 degree frontal firing arc, then turning it's armored side to the target, and disappearing into the bushes to reposition, which makes me think of a knight jousting.

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Do any of you kniggas know some good sets to make a mounted knight/foot knight/horse combo minis out of? We're trying to incorporate mounted combat rules into Frostgrave/Rangers and I'm way too autistic so I MUST have the same exact model with the same exact paintjob both mounted and on foot, and buying 30 mounted Agincourt knights and 30 foot Agincourt knights seems like an overkill for 1-2 mounted models.

>>98321649
Oathmark, definitely. New edition is out in august too.

Could anyone tell me how what BLCKout and 1490 doom are like? My group was looking for something that promoted campaign or continuous play but could be done in a smaller, skirmish style format.

>>98321693
>>98321742
>>98321801
Thanks, it's also preferable(but not required) if the game has minis that don't require assembly as due to nerve damage in one hand sticking small bits together is very difficult for me and i would need assistance. Painted or unpainted doesn't matter too much either.

>>98321800
Both the victrix as well as the wargames Atlantic sets should allow for that.

>>98321823
You can use whatever minis you like with those rulesets.

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>>98321823
The oathmark minis are really basic to put together as they are so chunky. Ive seen people use pic related range and frostgrave stuff for it too, which are also really big and chunky so easy to piece together, victrix is one I would describe as finicky even though they are are lot more monopose but maybe theres a range in there thats suitable.

>>98321833
>>98321846
Oh even better, this has been of great help!

>>98321800
fireforge foot knights and mounted knights. Have the same style of armor and the same helmets in both kits. Get individual sprues if you can so you don't have to buy two whole boxes

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>>98303330
>>98303381
>>98319184

I actually was the guy who started the three Quar generals, last one was a wash mind.
I wasn't paid to do it either, I just bought some Quar, and wanted to show /tg/.
What struck you as inorganic?
I just posted the official resources and links, and my home setup.

Am I glowing?
Are you just trogs complaining about people having fun?

I'mma work on a better OP, some better batreps (and not lose my fucking notes next time) and kick out a /Quar/ general again some time, but I do have other engagements, rather than bumping my own thread on /tg/.

What's the beef, nigga?
Why you fools frontin'?

You afraid of getting your lunch eaten by a 3d printed anteater?

>>98321742
Good job anon, there's three games here I never heard of.

>>98320944
>>98320942
Yeah, like these two who can't measure things. Its fairly predictable. They'll have nogames opinions about LoS too.

>>98321827
>>98321944
Thanks. I looked it all up and found out about Fireforge's Deus Vult Leaders series, they have different mounted and footed figures in one blister, now I just need a random horse.

>>98322319
They also have barded and unbarded horse packs (4pcs) too, jackpot.

>>98322008
>What's the beef, nigga?
>Why you fools frontin'?
About what I'd expect from someone buying into cute aesthetic "wargames"

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>>98322378
>Tonal complaint
>Cannot parse irony

I see you are an inconsequential, joyless person, my nigga.
What's more, you mad like a hoe.

>>98322551
No one is more inconsequential than a faggot who pretends to be black.

>>98322575
Why?
Does it upset you when I adopt jive talk ironically?
Are your jimmies rustled?
Sounds like you're just fishing for things to be irritated by, since your initial criticism has evaporated like the vacuous mouth-fart it was.

I am not a plant
I am far too rude for that.
The game also has pretty slick rules, not that you ever bothered to look.

So you have nothing to lean on but tonal complaints, which are really more about the fact that I am talking to you like you are an idiot than anything to do with /quar/.

And son, I am talking to you like a negro, because you have only demonstrated the reasoning capacity of one.

>>98322622
I would pay to watch you try to talk like this to an actual human in person.
Funny thing about fucks like you is that you usually stop emulating niggers once you actually spend time around niggers.

>>98322646
I'm sure you'd pay to have any sort of social interaction with normal people, but there's a reason they won't take your money.

And pray tell, what sort of "You Fucks" do you think I am?

You smell like a Chudlet.
A very basic Chudlet.
I'm inclined to be paternalistic towards you.
We all start out as hyper-reactive Chudlets, after all.
But you are an irritating specimen, and I think you should be left in the mire to return to the morass from whence you spawned.
Do you deserve community?
Do you deserve tradition?
Have you earned it?
Would you even know what it was if you saw it?

Come back when you are wiser.
And less superficially minded.

Even your insults are surface level.

>>98320034
It is indeed geared towards solo play. Which is fine, my playtime with FWW is 70% co-op to 30% solo, and the AI is so good that I never feel as though I really NEED an IRL opponent, so the solo game is strong. But 2nd Ed looks fucking garbage imo

>>98321218
Jeeper creepers Samantha holy shit

>>98322668
>surface level
Because I know two things about you
You emulate niggers, and you like reddit posts.
There isn't any depth to plumb here.

>>98322133
Lol found the nogames
>opinions about LoS too.
All my homies hate TLOS.

>>98322686
I spoke to you like a nigger as an indicator of absolute contempt.
Because you are only worthy of being spoken to in the manner of a nigger.

>Vague assertions about r*ddit

I'm sure you use that site more than I ever have.

You have no game.
You a Busta CJ, straight Busta.

>>98322671
Putting the man in Samantha

>>98322713
I like your Quar dedication, but please consider to stop posting. I can not bring myself to read more than even two paragraphs of your posts.
Please just stick to Quar.

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>>98322378
Who the fuck says Quar is cute? What is cute about short fat men with pointy heads in a ww setting? I played the game with more then 20 people and not a single one said its cute, not even the woman. Goofy yes, silly maybe but never cute.

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>>98322771
Fully intend to.
However, some bed-wetting fathead samefagging and calling my personal contributions "Inorganic" absolutely deserved all the vitriol I can muster.
And I have been restrained in my response.
>But you called him a Nigger Brain
Yes, highly restrained.

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>>98322775
Me.
I think they're cute as fuck.
Which makes the barbarism and cruelty inherent to trench warfare hit a very specific tragicomic note.

They die like flies, pathetically, to push the liquor cabinet three feet closer to Coftyr.
They probably squeak when they die.

It's great.
It's sitting at the exact join between Pathos and Bathos.

>>98322809
Gay and astroturf pilled

>>98321820
1490 doom is just "the floor is lava"except medieval themed and written by Mormons. The whole gimmick loses its charm after the 3rd game, so I wouldn't say it's good for a campaign.

>>98322809
It's not your "vitriol" that's gay and cringe.

>>98320594
MK1 WMH was no measuring, it seems like most people prefer to measure but if you guys like it, carry on, I aint calling the cops.
>>98320752
This picture is actually a 7th edition scenario where the emperor locked the chaos mechs and the good guy mechs in an Ikea showroom overnight to settle their differences, it's one of the most painstakingly constructed thematic boards ever and you guys should feel bad for dogpiling on it

>>98322771
>consider to stop posting
ESL mongrel detected, all opinions have been invalidated.

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>>98322940
Fuck off samefag.
I already proved I'm organic by talking to you in mock ebonics, and calling you a nigger.
Does that sound like marketing department hijinx to you? You straw clutching gay retard?
You fatuous imbecile?

>>98322971
Then with all due respect (Which is none) you can eat my shit.

>>98322809
Nah, fuck the haters. Quar is a good game and a fun setting that makes miserable people seethe. Keep posting and let the haters pick the corn out of your shit.

>>98323016
Well I've got a prison break scenario planned for the next time my buddy comes down.

I'm going to try and shit out a batrep that's better than the first; the second was a quick kludge because I lost me notes, but essentially, the Quar version of Sharpe from Sharpe's Rifles has been captured by Crusaders, and the FOD need to raid a POW camp to extract him.

However, I have learned not to over promise and under-deliver, so that's enough about that until the batrep is complete in front of me ready to be posted.

>>98323015
Do you not know what a useful (and reddit) idiot you are? Fuck off, NIGGER.

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>>98323075
I've never had a r*ddit account in my life, choke on a dump truck full of foreskins, you hateful grasping KIKE.

>>98323015
Prove you're not an astrofurffing nogames, post Quar games or go shit up another thread.

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>Lucid Eye has a sale on Simian minis till tomorrow
Huh, I wanted them for a long time now, lucky me.

>>98323662
That's quite the bush she's got

>>98323680
She's about to get bushwacked

>>98323662
>Cropped
Wh-what do you see in the full pic?

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1835465

>>98323662
That's the kind of image both males and females will think "nice" but not for the same reason.

>>98323202
Already did;
>>98322008
and
>>98322551
Are the collages from two of my battles.
In my house.
With my wee men.
You sped.

>>98324070
>Already did;
Exactly what an astroturfer wood say
>You sped.
No reason to be ablist.

So we have an anti quar autist now.

>>98324337
>you're either for us or against us
I knew quar was some kind of evil.

>>98324337
not really, just a bored faggot who can't stop poking the retard

>>98321370
funny, the creator just posted on Facebook that he is unhappy because the full rules has been uploaded to Scribd

>>98322712
Like clockwork.

>>98323662
You'd think she was wearing fur panties, but the lack of a strap reveals mankind's true hope and prize

>>98324419
Pretty sure he can go fuck himself. His game isn't even impressive he just got lucky being flavor of the month. He better get real post haste.

>>98324353
britbongs are the root of all evil

>>98324748
(((No)))

>>98324748
I'm pretty sure Quar is American. It's only spiritually a middle age Bri'ish game.

>>98324337
No, there are several of us that think it's a stupid game and is very forced on this board.


>>98323000
I know you're just joking, but at least in 7th edition people still pretended to care about terrain. Those stupid pie plate circle "objective markers"only came around in the last couple years

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>>98321387
>>98321468
It's played on a board the size of a chess board with like half a dozen minis with no attempt to recreate a battlefield or any meaningful terrain. Nothing about it is simulating war at all, so why would you consider it a war game?
If Greathelm is a "war game" simply because it's game pieces look like mini soldiers, then any board game with miniatures figures is actually a "wargame" instead. But of course we know this isn't true

>>98325290
Just because you don't like something dosen't mean it's forced Mr. schizo.

>>98325312
>Nothing about it is simulating war at all, so why would you consider it a war game?
In a sense correct, it's not about simulating a WAR, at most just small scene of it.
> Rather than depicting the battlefield in the conventional standards of tables sized 2"x2" to
4"x6", Greathelm focuses on a much smaller play area. This represents strategic slices
of a much larger battlefield—think of it as the camera zooming in on key moments
that decide the course of a battle happening off-screen. The gameplay reflects
pivotal moments like breaking through enemy lines, toppling castle gates, or seizing
control of a siege weapon
There are terrains rules too.

also if we go by simulating war logic then we could rule out tons of games from being war games

>>98325836
Nice ChatGPT summary, but yes I agree it's a neat game. It's just a wargame, simple as. HeroQuest is a fun game too, it's also not a wargame. I don't know why you guys got upset when I said it's not a wargame. Tabletop wargaming is a specific hobby, and Greathelm more closely aligns with a board game than a tabletop wargame: it's that simple

Good morning anons. I’ve had my eyes on three different games.
>blkout
>renegades
>Xenos rampant
Never played any of these because I can’t find players but I’d like to know how each of these games and what makes each of them better than each other.

>>98325855
>Nice ChatGPT summary
anon, it's straight from the fucking rulebook which you clearly did not even look at and yet spew your high quality opinions
> It's just a wargame, simple as.
lmao, get your shit together
>I don't know why you guys got upset when I said it's not a wargame.
I am not upset at all, if anything at this point I am slightly annoyed that I spent even just this little time on your bullshit

>>98326084
>BLKOUT
Leans toward realistic firefights, strong emphasis on reactions and fast, small scale combat with grounded future tech.
You are alternating activations of squads, these squads themselves you can't customize, but you can select different squads to make up your force. IIRC every force are 3 squads and the squads sizes can vary from single model to four models. The models can act independently from their squad, I think there is no coherency rule or mechanic.
I guess it can work mini-agnostic, not sure how strict the rules are regarding model scale, if I remember right it uses base+imagined cylinder silhouette for line of sight. Not sure.

>Renegades
The off-brand mini agnostic 40k Kill Team? never tried it or the proper one, but that is as much as I gathered from reading the rules last year

>Xenos Rampant
Other than being mini agnostic, it's different than the other two, larger scale, there are only squads or even vehicles. You can put your army together based on profiles and additional traits. It's able to handle different settings, WW2, sci-fi etc. There are rules for morale checks on taking fire and command friction, as in units can fail activating. It's not super deep or perfect, but good enough. Has a basic campaign system and scenarios.

>>98324909
It's Italian no?

>>98326314
You know, that would fit.
A bunch of sentient cannoli fighting over Mama's spaghetti recipe.

>>98326314
>Quar
No, it's Californian.

>>98319236
Might do another pledge mid month to get either my Trench crusade or my moonstone stuff painted...
I've had 2 successful pledges with /tg/ now so it seems that the threat of getting judged by /tg/ for not completing a pledge is a good motivator to get stuff done.
>>98319397
>100 gobboes
Horde armies always scare me, both money wise and repeated painting wise.

>>98325312
That would be a skirmish wargame played on a board.
Like battletech.

>>98326515
I think he is originally from Kansas or something, but he started making the miniatures while he worked at Pixar.

>>98326548
I've always played horde armies for some fucking reason.
Even the elite armies I end doing horde.
WWII? Empire of Japan
Void Admiral? Insectoids (swarm fleet of little ships)
Warmaster? Skaven and mostly rat swarm
40k? Black Templars used to run 80 marines minimum, Sisters of Battles even when trying to make it expensive I ended spamming troops and transport and Genestealer cult 100 models is the starting point.
Even skirmish games I end playing with the horde version of that.

Considering between Warmaster or just scaled down Warhammer Armies Project. I do hear a lot of people rave about how good Warmaster is, but it does seem a bit.. simple.

>>98303730
>mfw I've bought hundreds of file and have only printed a dozen or so figures
Grim but true.

>>98325364
It usually does.

>>98326949
I've bought very few files and printed hundreds.
Figure it out.

>>98326973
Same. There is just something attractive about sending wave after wave of my men to their death.
>>98326548
Money wise this is all shit from my back log. I will have a good sized army without having spent any additional money. I even had hundreds of bases lying around.

Painting wise, is going pretty fast when I actually commit to sitting down. Between speed paints and batch painting I'm getting through a model in under 15 minutes.

>>98326162
Thanks!
I’ll stick with XR and renegades then as they have the mini agnostic thing in their dna.

>>98307811
If I asked nicely and said please, would you share the terrain files?

>>98303730
>>98326949
>>98326973

>Don't have a printer
>Have a job
>Oh ill save up and get myself a resin printer so i can print all the gooner stuff i want!
>Never save up as im always buying something else
>Get a subscription for heroes infinite as i like a lot of the models.
>have this subscription for 2+ years
>Only got a small fraction of the models printed thanks to a friend using his 3d printer.

i... still dont regret it because one day ill get my 3d printing setup... one day...

>>98327058
For me it's all about living that 3d print prototype scene from Small Soldiers.
Fun fact, those figures were hand made and they filled that printer with syrup for the filming process.

>>98327524
hell yea. I got excited about this hobby because of that movie.

Do you play any specific AWG that lean into that vibe?

>>98326789
Well, hordes of miniatures always look amazing on a tabletop.

>>98326949
Hoarding files is faster and easier than hoarding plastic. Takes less space too. Still, print some stuff.

But i know the struggle. I want to print a dense urban terrain, similar to Necromunda, so i can use it for a variety of games like Stargrave and such. Whenever i think i found a good set to finally commit to, i see someone elses totally incompatible modular terrain system, and it looks even better.. so i kinda just collect terrain files and print maybe 1-2 test pieces, but never just stop looking for files, and just pick one and stick to it.

>>98327463
You can find lots of their stuff for free if you wanted, but i gonna warn you: Heroes infinite look a lot better on their coloured render pics than the actual miniatures look like. Their sculpting is really weird when you have the figures in your hand.

>>98303730
That hit me close to home. I do have a backlog of physical models though.
What’s everyone here storing their stls on from storage device to brand and how long would the storage device last?
I might sub to wga digital as I like their stuff. I’ve subbed to anvil industry.

>>98327920
I've had a Samsung external HDD which died at some point and I "lost" almost 2tb of files, now I have an 500gb SSD which is already full of course, but I only keep stuff there which I actually have printed and where I might want to print more of at some point - so mostly modular things or unit builders and stuff. Characters or other things I print and realize I just dont like I immediately delete afterwards.
I also have a private telegram channel for myself into which I forward all the files I find (and like) and from where I download them when I want to print something new. If I like it, I usually re-upload it to my own group again, to keep it there. As long as this works as good as it does, there is no need for more disk space.
In hindsight, that broken Samsung showed me how stupid it is to try to hoard everything, and even invest hours upon hours to sort and catalogue the stuff, only to never print it in the end. It was a complete waste of time.

Besides what I described above, I have an mmf account, and over the years collected some stuff there as well, from tribes memberships, free trial months and individual purchases during sales. Sometimes a miniature just looks either too nice to wait for it getting shared, or it's from someone whose stuff never appears publically, so I just buy it.

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>>98327885
oh i get you, of the minis i got printed the models were fine and look good when printed bu i noticed that the models themselves are very 2d. On the render they look like proper dimensions but when they are printed then have a very thin silhouette when looked at from the side. For example pic related is extremely flat when looked at from the side. The one i got printed was for a friend so i cant get a pic but man i could easily store in in a playing card deck box due to how thing it was.

Also recently i feel like most of their sci fi range has just been misses.

>>98328014
I hear this often, people having their HDD dying. Is everyone using some old rattled things or how is this so common

anyone know of some good 15mm fantasy lines? I saw some over at northstar, not sure about alternative armies, their sci-fi seems to be better

>>98326570
Battletech Is boardgame

>>98327524
This is literally me. That scene rewired my brain in unspeakable ways and gave me a dream that was only fulfilled after printing my first batch of minis.

>>98327463
>>98327877
For 3 years, I ran a resin printer a d 2 fdm printers nearly constantly. It was glorious, until I realized I was drowning in unpainted models.

>>98328761
Now the question is how long until we can 3d print a dude and then bring him to full life with the addition of a milspec chip

>>98328845
I run my resin printer pretty much every day and I also paint pretty much every day, I've got a few on the to-paint waitlist but the vast majority get painted within hours of them being printed.

>>98327463
>having to "save up" to buy a $300 printer
Lmfao

>>98328882
Hopefully soon because I could certainly use help with house chores

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>>98328251
We live in 2026 nigga, just ask ChatGPT to compile you a list of available 15mm fantasy miniatures ranges.

Remember when we were young and we laughed at old people for struggling to learn how to use cell phone and Facebook and stuff, well that is you morons with AI. You're not engaging with the anti-christ by asking an LLM to compile you a list lmfao, it's hardly any different than doing a Google search.

>>98329192
This. Poor people sicken me

>>98329220
kill yourself

>>98329249
Notice how everyone else completely ignored his question, yet I actually answered him and gave him the exact info he needed?

>>98329197
>help with chores
I'm on a farm, I laugh at your chores.