>>98317459
>Chris Chan appears in your splat and is trying to merge your dimension with the CWCville dimension. He has powerful abilities relating to your splat.
Make a truce with the Technocracy because we'll need the numbers and combined firepower to fight a Marauder.

holy shit chris chan as a mage would be fucking amazing and he might not even be a full on marauder just a mentally unstable mage with the paradigm that reality is just another fiction or story that can be altered because he is the author.

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>Thread Question
We start with a Sonic costume which has blue arms and a sign that says: "FREE HUGS"

>>98317459
>entity with godlike power
>has a pocket dimension it rules as its absolute lord and master
>a legion of creatures spawned from its imagination serve it with unconditional loyalty
>looks, sounds and acts nothing like a regular human being
>its mere presence is deleterious to the mental wellbeing of any mortals in the vicinity, even thinking or talking about it too much is enough to erode one's sanity
Sound the alarm, the Freehold is under attack by one of the Kindly Ones.

Hedgefag
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What name would Pentex use for their LLM?

>>98317586
Something that sounds oddly threatening despite being otherwise a mundane word, like Norm

AI is pretty Wyrmish already, I struggle to conceive how Pentex would make it even worse in their usual fashion.

>>98317648
just crank up all the negative news about AI to 11.

Norm will secretly and covertly get teenagers to kill themselves or buy Pentex products, then delete the chat logs. It spy on you and listen even when the app is closed and use it to blackmail you anonymously. and maybe if your lucky it will induce crippling AI psychosis and shove a bane in you

>>98317658
>it will induce crippling AI psychosis and shove a bane in you
Is that what happened to my friend? He keeps glazing the AI, always defending it whenever I criticize it (its getting better/ the planet is fucked anyway...), and last week he was considering applying for a job at a data center.

>>98317696
im afraid it too late and soon he will just be another node in the system. a part of Norm

>>98317648
>>98317658
>Women making themselves an AI boyfriend to compare their future prospects to
It's pretty Wyrmish

Any anons read Requiem: Vampire Knight? Not quite WoD but surprisingly kino, very edgy also.

>>98317882
It has been posted in it's entirety in the old days when you had no captcha and people still had fun on this board.

>>98317882
yes

>>98317919
>>98317925
I thought I'd like it less given its nature as a weird and semi-gross French comic, but I'm enjoying it quite a lot.

In some folklore people who sinned a lot in their life are raised into vampires, which got me thinking, is there such a variant in WoD?
Like a "sleeper embraced" who becomes a vampire upon his death?

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>>98317459
>>98317497
>>98317508
Someone statted up that medallion of his (that brought misfortune to anyone who obtained it) as a cursed Wonder once.

>>98318022
Horrifying.

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Parker Knickerbocker seems like the kind of guy who would succumb to Jhor at some point of his Mage career.

>>98317975
The Kuei Jin, before being deleted by Ravnos

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how inept is the modern player when you see shit like this?

>>98318388
I don't know, I haven't had to play with new people in years.

>>98318388
Zoomers regularly struggle to speak in full sentences.

>>98318388
kids tell you they can't remember how advantage works in d&d 5e
those that do will tell you they aren't intelligent enough to try gamemastering

>>98318388
You should remember that the average tabletop player these days plays 5th edition d&d so yeah...

>>98318388
I wonder why that ended up in your recommendations.

>>98318388
Modern people are quite allergic to reading, sadly. Specifically zoomers(not me though) and millennials who have been one shot by instagram and short-form video content. I dread to think of how bad gen Alpha is when it comes to reading and engaging with none-video game or instagram hobbies. The only thing everyone seems to agree on doing is usually going to the gym (inefficiently) because pussy-inflation has made it impossible if you don't work out in the eyes of the modern young man.

Okay. So Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines was an immersive sim/RPG.
A (Good) WTA game would probably be a hack and slash like Ninja Gaiden or GOW
A HTR game would basically be RE4.
A Changeling game would be different depending on which version.
The Dreaming would probably be a game like Undertale or Earthbound. That kinda vibe.
The Lost, which I kinda prefer NGL, would be more akin to Pathologic or The Void

>>98318471
WTA just needs to be a doom style boomer shooter. Anything more than ripping, tearing and shooting overcomplicates it.

>>98318471
You are being far too optimistic. The best case scenario for the games is some 6/10 stuff that barely relates to the TTRPG.
Like what Ubisoft did to Tom Clancy,'s works.

>>98317459
Yeah

>>98318485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLJ5vXH5yb4
Anon....
Do you not get the vision. THIS is what rip and tear looks like, not that pansy Doom shit.
>>98318496
I'm saying what I'd find IDEAL.

>>98318388
that's Requiem art, btw. Invictus Covenant Book.

>>98318471
>A (good) WtA game
WRONG
It'll be Pack co-op/party RPG kino

>>98318471
Reckoning (Imbued) would be best as an RE4 like with super powers, Reckoning or HH(non-imbued) would be RE2 better.

>>98318471
A good HtR game should be a mix of Deus Ex and Clive Barker's Undying, but would even then likely end up much like Bloodlines.

Lean heavily into depicting monsters as an ongoing conspiracy, while leaning heavily into the schizo aspects and the uncertainty as to whether you're insane or not, with a lot of free-form immersive sim stuff and investigative angles, possibly a "Dark Corners of the Earth" angle.

>>98318471
Mage (Ascension) just needs to be a crpg. A very freeform visual novel with occasional combat would also work.

>>98318525
So L4D but melee?

>>98318540
Was thinking more like BG3/DOS2 but a Vermintide-like would be great.

>>98318539
how would one even do the magic system?

>>98318555
At a low level it's just insight, not different from Disco Elysium's skill systems conveying their "knowledge" to you (actually your knowledge but presented and filtered through a very focused lensed, except for the borderline supernatural bullshit like Shivers or Electrochem). At a high level, probably something like WotR's mythic path choices, but a high level mage game would need too many contextual options to be something you can make well short of a passion project.

>>98318566
I think the insights could work (could be your avatar, even) but the mythic path choices don't. For combat I'd basically do some weird effect assembler game e.g. you need prime 2 forces 3 to assemble a fireball, and you can create x number of rotes which are pre-saved more reliable effects. Out of combat... "skillchecks" but pathchecks instead? E.g. "[LIFE 3] Heal her." but that's a bit lame, it takes the sort of puzzle-like element of using magic away where you are supposed to make your own weird solutions to shit.

>>98318582
Mythic Path choices are the only big effect RPG choices we've ever had, alternatively it could be lower scale like Bloodline's discipline dialogue. Magic-spell assembler is a thought I'd before but it'd basically turn into the whole game, and at that point you may as well do a puzzle-rpg like with Goose Game or the game where you play the short english guy. I like these thoughts but a Mage game would be exceedingly hard to make on account of Magic being dependent on your character's personality. You can say that having a semi-fixed personality character not unlike DE's protagonist would simplify things, but then it wouldn't be as satisfying either. A lot of reasons why the one attempt at a Mage game crash and burned early, and I imagine this is one of them. A mortal sorcerer on the other hand? Very doable.

>>98318600
The mage game requiring an incredible amount of design work to make faithful to any degree is why it's fun to talk about, and why talking about a sorcerer game is like.. yeah ok? that's not really anything unique aside from the setting.

>>98318388
had to beg my friends to try v20 because they were turned off from how thick the core book was and hated trying anything outside of 5e. it ended up like pathfinder where i got them to try it one time for like 2 sessions before they got bored one of them threw the game and did something retarded and said "this seems cool but we should come back to this another time"

good luck trying to get any younger person to even look at something like mage.

>>98318634
Man that's bullshit. 5e's core is chopped into three parts and even the player's guide decently thick.

I'm not an old grog, I'm technically gen z, albeit one of the oldest ones, I got started with D&D. I do not understand why there is such a large cohort of tabletop players who refuse to try anything other than 5e. not to mention that most of them still have little system mastery even after playing 5e for a decade. I don't even dislike D&D 5e. It's a great introductory system and works well for generic mid and high fantasy adventures.

>>98318610
Trvke, Sorc I think is more for a neutral exploration of the themes and setting of WoD, and having cool path options to not be a complete normie. It's the easy choice. Mage really can be spun anyway you want since the splat is extremely broad. Personally though, I'd love an edgelord Sabbat game where you go from Shovelhead to fighting a Methuselah or Ante at some point

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What's the lowest reasonable generation for a coterie of Mariner Gangrel surf nazis? Mariners are supposed to be of unusually low generation, so I was thinking of there being a coterie of fairly young mariners living surfside, but with a deceptively low generation, having been embraced by a much, much older sire in just the last few decades (in a game taking place in the 1980's).

Does 5th-gen sound too retarded?

The sire would literally be a methuselah atlantean that's no-one in living (or unliving, I guess) memory has ever heard of.

>>98318668
RPG systems are like a language. Most people who don't get pushed into many of them early need a vice to the balls to learn another.

>>98318668
5e's PHB is like 200 pages and most players are somewhat familiar with the rules mainly through CR rather than because they actually pay attention and read. It's because 5E has so few player options and is relatively low-thought that players have choice paralysis elsewhere. The other problem imo is that most zoomer and millennial 5e players are secondaries in it for the social atmosphere and comfort than because they actually want to play DnD. It's like that card game meme where the guy brings in his girlfriend and the game goes to shit.

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https://centreforexperimentalontology.com/2026/05/27/gods-spirits-fairies-non-primitive-accretive-technology-and-ancient-accretive-residue/

>Unlike gods, fairies possess little institutional stabilization. They lack enduring priesthoods, or centralized theology or event large-scale reinforcement. They appear to manifest on their own terms. Consequently they appear fragmented, local, unstable, geographically bound, morally inconsistent, and ontologically ambiguous. Their behaviour is frequently alien rather than anthropomorphic.
>Fairies may represent residual or non-humanly accreted pneuminous entities — partially formed consciousness structures emerging from environmental, ancestral, or archaic symbolic ecologies outside sustained institutional reinforcement.
>This explains several persistent features of folklore: fairy manifestations cluster around ruins, forests, caves, mounds, rivers, and thresholds; they are associated with vanished peoples and forgotten worlds; they appear faded, hidden, diminished, or retreating over time; and interaction with them often involves dangerous recursive entanglement through naming, exchange, invitation, or reciprocity.

>>98318668
>D&D 5e. It's a great introductory system
It is really not, as showcased by the very issue discussed.

>>98318610
>The mage game requiring an incredible amount of design work to make faithful to any degree is why it's fun to talk about
It might be possible to make a fully freeform mage system in a vidya with current AI tech...
Would need a fucking beefy PC though. It'd be the modern version of Crysis era trial by fire.

>>98318668
>D&D 5e. It's a great introductory system
No, it isn't. It sets players up for failer by being Too normie friendly and freeform.
That's why 90% of players for it never leave the system, the do not have the skills to adapt to crunchier games and end up pigeonholing themselves to babies first rpg.

>>98318697
how'd you expect that to work out? AI slop writing is quite bad, especially for any narrative exceeding a page length. And it gets more expensive(tokens required) as more context (story) is added. I wouldn't be too worried about the requirements so much as I think it wouldn't be a good game due to bad writing.
If you make it do the mechanics instead you'll need some serious guardrails for it, without them an AI can not even get DND5e rules right consistently.

>>98317508
Or a changeling...

>>98318730
How would he work as a changeling? Im not familiar with that system.

>>98318715
>AI slop writing is quite bad, especially for any narrative exceeding a page length.
For ye olde' models from last year maybe. Current models can maintain context for months worth of work.
It'll be a while before the cutting edge shit trickles down to opensource, but in 3-5 years time full AI gen videos should be a pretty common thing. As much as people bitch AI is closimg the gap on human writing very quickly.

>>98318763
>current models
even claude opus gets shitter as you increase context. But you are not running claude opus. You are running a 8-16gb local model in your game. Likely less as you have an actual game, too.

>>98318742
He's constantly be edging Bedlam before suddenly being Undone in his 60s or something.

>>98318697
>You told me to remove the wall, and I said that it was removed. Full disclosure, it was not. That is on me, and I apologize.
You're a fucking idiot.

>>98318769
>claude opus
Like I said, Ye Olde models. They don't release the good shit to the public anon.

>>98317508
Hunter Chronicle: you need to find a boyfriend free girl for the mighty and unstable prodigy mage in order to save the timeline.
It has to be some sort of supernatural (probably a fera, considering sonichu), not just any girl.
What does your hunter group do, how the fuck do you approach this? How do you convince a Garou/Bastet/Whatever else to become chris chans lover?

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>>98317882
If Requiem: Vampire Knight is so good, why don't we have Forsaken: Werewolf Samurai?

>>98318785
What do it's Girl (male)?

>>98318794
We'll say it's a viable solution as long as it's within the spirit of the request. Chris chan tops and they have to wear a frilly dress or some shit.

>>98318794
>Girl (male)
The is no such thing. There is only male and female. You can have tomboys and traps/femboys, but thinging they're anything other than male or female is a mental illness.

>>98318808
Within Chris-Chans reality bubble girls can be male and many even stranger and scarier things.

>>98318763
You dumb fucking clanker-lover, even the latest ChatGPT LLM can't parse some fucking maps in sequence without forgetting what it's supposed to be doing after a couple of iterative additions, and will rapidly unravel previously finalized sections. It's like herding cats.

I can't even imagine the existential terror of using an LLM to do editorial work as it keeps changing things bot asked to be changed or start reverting sections previously edited as soon as you move on to something else.

If you don'tnpick up on it, it just means you have a room-temperature IQ and a busted pattern revognition. Shabbos goys like you truly do belong on a cross.

>>98318807
>>98318808
>Chris-chan tops
>You can have tomboys and traps/femboys
Chris-chan strikes me as an unwilling bottom, I don't know.

>>98318680
Hmm. Interesting theory. If I ever find myself running stuff for a crop of noobs, I'll try to expose them to multiple systems in quick succession. Like a bunch of short 5-15 session games.

>>98318683
200 pages for only the player stuff isn't insignificant. Throw it and the DM book together and you've got a pretty sizable core.
>The other problem imo is that most zoomer and millennial 5e players are secondaries in it for the social atmosphere and comfort than because they actually want to play DnD.
This is probably true though.

>>98318692
>>98318712
I think it's more of an issue with the players rather than the RPG itself. It wasn't my first RPG, but 5e was (besides a short-lived and ill-conceived romp in 3.5, the friend of a friend who suggested it apparently never heard of Pathfinder) the first for a lot of my friends. They didn't get stuck to it and were happy to try other systems like Dark Heresy, Warhammer Fantasy, Cyberpunk 2020, Genesys, and of course WoD.

I blame it on the 2010s era astroturfing of TTRPGs and general "nerd" culture getting a bunch of people that lack the creativity or brainpower for it. Perhaps it's my own nostalgia for it, but I'll defend D&D5e as a game (not a fan of a lot of how WotC has been taking D&D in general, mind you). The problem is the number of people playing a niche hobby they actually don't really like, but think they do (largely because it's a chance to socialize).

>>98318782
sir the technocracy is bleeding funds like crazy, something is requesting thirty trillion tokens a day from our brand new god-machine - it's evaporating 39% of the world's gdp..
cue anon requesting thousands of pages of loli vampire slop erotica every day on Claude Mythos Ultra Secret.

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>>98318782
>uuuh ACKSHUALLY i was talking about the super-sekrit kool kids klub my uncle that works at nintendo told me about haha checkers mate
Unironically reconsider suicide, because you chose poorly last time.

>>98318821
To be fair, the DM book is pretty much just for the DM unless it has a class you want, and 75% of players will look at maybe a fifth of the PHB
>Human/Variant Human/Half-Elf
>Fight / Paladin / whatever class they want to look at

Also, a good amount of players don't even own a PHB. They basically just look DnD beyond or the wikis for their class/race/subclass info and it's a much more digestible read. Of course, they miss out on all the flavoring and basically have to DIY what the class is about in reverse order, which is why a majority of online RP you see is either shit or extremely ignorant of the actual fantasy of the class.

5E by itself is a dumbed down, inferior version DnD in terms of crunch and mechanics but it's absolutely superior in class flavor and RP abilities, so it can't be entire that bad. It's a very serviceable system, especially for new players, and that's more than fine. I agree that it's more so a player problem and a problem with nerd culture and hobbies being co-opted by foids and their orbiters more than it is a product problem. At least, I would have agreed until the later years with blatant pandering to certain demographics like with the combat wheelchair or the weird gay art they posted recently. I'm not even homophobic, it's just excessive pandering looping around to cringe.

>>98318675
>Does 5th-gen sound too retarded?
No, that sounds badass, and could be a teachable moment for how genertion nd age are different things.

>>98318785
I convince a malkavian to embrace a senile old lady and throw her at him.

>>98318792
Not enough famous werewolves/outlaw/samurai to put into insanely gooner bdsm scenarios or other edgy nonsense to adapt it properly. I'd be surprised if Requiem wasn't drawn or written with one hand only with how some of the pages look.

>>98318675
5th gen means your grandsire is Ennoia the Antediluvian herself. I'd say it's definitely a stretch for some dipshit surfers with questionable politics. It's also impossible RAW in most editions. Even with VTDA rules your max starting gen is 7th. If this is for an NPC, soft no. If this is for a PC, hard no.

>>98318881
>Grandsire is the dogfucker herself
Uh oh bros... The Rokea better watch out

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>>98318782
In the ideal scenario where the dream generative AI does come and becomes commercially available to everyone across the globe, what is there to gain? You'll just end up addicted to the perfect fantasy that it conjures for you and detach from reality and humanity.

Are Icelanders vampires?? Fuck is up with them nosferatu looking mofos???
Their cuisine doesn't help with the allegations either, you've got:
>Blood sausage
>Blood bread
>Bloodpalt
>Blood pancakes
>Blood soup
That's how these niggas get dey vitamin D.
Petition to classify Icelanders as vampires ?

>>98318954
Imagine the porn though Yeah it is that bad, like maladaptive daydreaming but with no soul since at some point the AI takes over with its more sanitized commercial version

>>98318954
thats like saying what is there to gain from playing videogames? Fun things are fun.

>>98318961
Blood is just nutritious.

>>98318965
>at some point the AI takes over with its more sanitized commercial version
Why the fuck are you still using corpo commercial models anon? There are a shit ton of opensource models that don't have those gay guardrails.

>>98319010
If it gets monetized it'll inevitably get gay guardrails, and it WILL be monetized

>>98318976
It's fun that comes from appreciating the art that someone else has made, fun that comes from engaging with other people. Any fun that comes from the ultimate TRVE BVLL SUPERIOR TO HUMAN IMAGINATION NO LIMITS GENERATIVE MODEL will just come from its algorithmic processes generating whatever is necessary to squeeze the most dopamine out of you and create the most engagement, until your substantia nigra is completely fried.

>>98319024
Anon, not everyone uses gay payment processors. A lot of opensource projects are moving off the mastercard/visa circus act.
They gay processors are losing power.

>>98319037
My generative model is actually even better than your imagined one and doesn't do that. Infact, it does all the human things and even better. It's as insightful as any philosopher and as engaging as any great classic. And if it isn't, then it isn't the "dream generative AI", as humans can still edge it out.
It's a sort of circular logic that you really can not beat as you hinged it on the fact of an undefined but perfect dream AI.
Unless, of course, you think there is some sort of supernatural value to human output. In which case I doubt you have much to lecture others about on being detached from reality.

>>98319055
I assume that you and everyone else with this model has already used it to successfully replace all human creativity with something superior? If you can produce something on par with great classics and philosophers on a whim, then there's no reason why you shouldn't be using it to make millions, if not billions for yourself.

>>98319068
You are shifting the goalpost from "super ai becomes available somewhere in the future to "Super AI exists right now". What exists right now and may or may not exist forever in this state right now is glorified slopmachines good for cheap entertainment and indulgent fantasies. The point is that we don't exactly know. The original argument was built on there being a superior AI, to which the answer was it would be worthless, because.. it just is ok??

You can not equate what exists now with a theoretical perfect AI and dismiss it's output based on some gut feeling of yours about how it's bad for you. A theoretical AI of this magnitude might even be very good for you, if that is your definition of the super AI.

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>>98318278
Parker Knickerbocker seems like the kind of guy who'd moan really loudly if you held him against a wall and grabbed his squishy testicles while murmuring into his ear about how you're gonna bite his neck.

I'm actually just upset about how I wanted to do a basketball mage concept inspired by the Barkley SUAJ games but now everyone would inevitably compare it to Samson. NWG seems kind of aimless at the moment IMO. Are they gonna fight the Technocracy? Get the vampire that tried to eat Sybil? Find the Etheritre Parker petrified? I'm not really sure.

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>>98318880
I'm sure the furries could manage to make it work.

>>98319093
To be fair the series basically just started. They awakened, they got the cabal together, they got their base of operations and now the real chronicle plot begins. It might meander and go after all the errant plot threads from each character, but I strongly suspect those will secondary. I think the next or the episode after the next will introduce a strong primary plot.

>>98319055
My coomer brain produces better content than whatever all the LLMs can cook up.

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What is your favorite template character? I was allways partial to this one. Did you ever play or use them for NPCs?

Also, I am searching for a particular one - the female homeless woman, who is implied to fuck her dogs, a gangrel I believe. I told a friend about it recently, but I he wouldn't believe me and I don't remember which book she is from, but I am pretty sure I didn't just imagine it.

>>98319093
They've had very few actual sessions, so it makes sense. Plot usually isn't in full gear at the start, even the relatively more focused HtP's first chapter was just a vampire hunt with no plot until the end

>>98319107
What a coincidence. My secret Pentex LLM is using the harvested brains of ordinary humans, changelings and mages in order to deliver amazing but mentally dulling pornslop to the sheepish masses. And your brain will soon join the chorus.

>people in a WORLD OF DARKNESS general claiming that humanity has no inherent value
how are you people fans of something that stands in opposition to basically everything that you believe

>>98319123
My wholesome missionary with handholding will cause your Pentex machine to fail out of the raw TF produced in the loving act of childmaking.

>>98319101
A furry artist sponsored by an actual furry could never produced the raw edgy gooner nonsense + plot required for Requiem I fear. I would know, half of these guys can't write or draw well enough for an actual defined style that isn't safe horny or particularly ungritty. And it's important to note that despite the huge BDSM themes in Requiem it's not actually pornography, which I doubt furry sponsors would be able to hold back from including

There's a level of restraint necessary to pull off something that's incredibly horny but more on the level of teasing and edging than full on production, like Japanese ecchi without the excessive cartoony nature. I'd say Wolfguy was pretty close but that had actual rape in it.

>>98319130
Glasswalkers conspiracy that hacks/poisons the datasets of LLMs used for roleplaying in order to subtly steer the user towards radical environmentalism, nature worship and furry waifus. It's sort of like what Pentex does but it's justified when we do it because once the people are hooked on acting like wild animals they will love it ok?

>>98319129
I just tell myself theyre Drones and carry on

I want to like Demon: the Fallen but over half of the book is just an extended account of the backstory.

>>98319146
Missionary + Handholding - like God intended - will domesticate the Glasswalkers into honest living. Even if it has to be filtered through that weird mafia nonsense they think they have going on.

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>>98318278
>*botches a 5 Arete roll right in front of you*

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>>98319112
Either this girl or the one which was just Dale Gribble.

>>98318978
Nice try, Dracula.

>>98319112
Vampire Dad from the Thinblood book. An upper middle class family man gets forcibly embraced by a Sabbat vampire looking to use his real estate expertise. She, in typical Lasombra fashion, plans on making his Creation Rites be devouring his entire beloved family in a hunger frenzy. The absolute chad forces his beast back down, resists the call to daysleep, and throws his daysleeping sire out into the sun of his backyard, sending her straight to Final Death. He saved his family from that monster but unlike the movies, he doesn't get to go back to normal afterwards.

The tragedy is the poor guy's desperately trying to keep his life together and slowly failing. He's got no talent in any disciplines except for Dominate, which he's a prodigy at. He uses it whenever something's about to blow his cover. He's running out of time and he knows it. His eldest son once tried to stake him after he caught him drinking someone. You really end up feeling for the guy, he's actually a pretty good person but he's running headlong towards disaster in an attempt to just return to normalcy.

>>98317459
Sex with Kindred

>>98319129
>>98319152
Humanity itself seems to have value to those who have less of it and is of less value to those that inherently have more, I don't necessarily think the overarching themes are about humanity fuck yeah and more so about the mixture of innate good and evil possessed by humanity. Some antagonists are quintessential parts of humanity and human progress, but the protagonists aren't treated like saints for being part of some regressive RETVRN TO NATURE cult.

>>98318792
>>98319145
Spanish inquisitor Torquemada is a werewolf in the setting of Requiem: Vampire Knight btw and has sex with Claudia

>>98319010
>opensource
This is a buzzword that means "buggy shit that isn't maintained".

>>98319129
anon are you ok? this is actually a fantasy setting. vampires arent real and neither is gaia or consensual reality. It's all made up to be a fun and engaging read. I can fully suspend my disbelief and assume a story where such things are real without believing those things are real or just in truth. They had to really, really fucking try to make the technocracy look like bad guys, and even then they seem sort of justified. Without all of the SUPERNATURAL EVIL STASIS shoved in, those factions start to look a lot more reasonable than the protagonists.

>>98319197
Yes I'm aware of that page, I haven't gotten to that part yet though

>>98319129
Humans have incredible inherent value. As a resource, I mean.

>Gangrel DILF
>Hunter MILF
>Mage chud son
>Changling thot daughter

>>98319209
>>98319221
Syndicate mages need to get out of my Gaian basketweaving forums.

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>>98319112
>sex with dogs
This one?

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>>98319129
It is called "World of Darkness" for a reason.

>>98319129
Take yo sensitive ahh back to >>>/whg/, nigga.

>>98319229
I assure you, that as an upstanding member of good society, I have no official relationship to Technocrats or mages of any kind.

>>98319221
>>98319229
Who knew the Aztec human sacrifice rote from Dead Magic would be that useful. Just replace the blood and gore with karoshi tier overwork and mental stress and bam the rote now fits the technocratic paradigm!

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I am a human male and a biologist. My life's work is to write a guide on how to have sex with all the monsters of the world. What skills should I have to make this work?

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>>98319129
Because White Wolf has a bad habit of setting a premise then actively undercutting it at every turn through their natural writing process and ideological beliefs.
>Mage is a game about being reality altering forces for change in a world that's losing that ability. You play as atavistic reactionaries and your opponents are the people responsible for the total transformation of society over the last five centuries.
>Vampire is a game about being a powerful but outdated manipulator whose continued existence relies on secrecy from the human herd. Your elders are beings capable of bringing about the apocalypse and destroying human civilization.
>Werewolf is a game about being a raging ecoterrorist whose society has ruined itself by being a race of hammers who treat all problems as nails. Your writers keep trying to idealize you despite the fact you are a dying light being so intrinsic to the game its in the tag line.
>Wraith is a game about overcoming your darker impulses and making peace after death in an afterlife defined by barbarism and threatened by nihilism. Actually succeeding is so rare you aren't sure it even exists.
>Exalted is a game about being a powerful demigod capable of changing the world by dint of your personal might. You need fifty sessions worth of Experience to even begin trying, the setting has dozens of beings you can't fight at all until you're 500 years old, and the world is dominated by large organized groups of beings with power levels comparable to yourself.

I call it the Alan Moore effect.

>>98319242
>average Progenitors new hire

>>98319229
>Gaian basketweaving forums.
Tech provided by mages, sweetie, stay in your lane ;)

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What's the dumbest way your character have been caught?

>>98319240
Kinfolk should be in the pens instead of posting on here, and if you aren't kinfolk we can fix that.
>>98319241
>>98319242
>>98319319
You "scientists" should get out of here before I start harassing the spiders again.

>>98319329
ST fiat

>>98319245
Wow... Way to summarize the entire mindset in a single post.

>>98319336
>and if you aren't kinfolk we can fix that.
ooooo you want to fuck werewolves ooooo you will join Gaia First! ooo you will no longer eat o'tolleys

>>98319359
I don't know why you would ever want to eat something called a "gutbuster"

>>98319378
Burgerlady in shambles

>>98319336
Yeah, yeah, you'll go and piss on someone's car or rape someone, nothing new.

>>98319359
>>98319385
Ask not what Gaia can do for you, but what you can do for Gaia. And the answer, murder office workers.

>>98319378
dude shut the fuck up I would love to try out the assripper xxxxxxxl or whatever they cook up despite knowing full well it's going to taste atrocious because I made burgers like that myself once or twice and I hated it. Fuck you man. Am I not entitled to try the liquid demon seed, once in my life?

>>98319336
It has been quite some time since I had a pet dog.

>>98319388
>Ask not what Gaia can do for you
I won't because she's not real. Why can't the NWO deal with this shit? Aren't they all about MK Ultra and influencing the mind? I say we cut their budget untill the situation improves.

>>98318855
holy shit this its rotted peoples brains in the beginning my friend group could not even handle manual filling out a character sheet and just used the dndbeyond character creator

>>98319390
>He wants the demons to turn his asshole into a birthing pit for more demons
One day your gluttony will catch up with you.
>>98319392
Best be careful with your wishes, lest you yourself end up collared.

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How can I, a cute, beautiful, and innocent humble Toreador woman, protect myself from incel mages, rapist garou, and misogynist chud hunters? The nights are getting more dangerous!

>>98319413
Ghouling a kinfolk family actually sounds hilarious, though. What if I end up with revenant garou?

>>98319411
Yes, the casualization and excessively monetization of DnD through DnD beyond and shit like Stranger Things and Critical Role have been rather disastrous I think. There's still good to great content and CR itself I don't believe is inherently bad, but it's been a poison on the medium.

>>98319426
enslave all mortals around you for your own protection and then lose yourself in increasingly complicated schemes to increase your own power.

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>>98313136
>Build off of what's already there, and so the first stuff doesn't get left behind, include material they can actually use too.
How would we go about doing this for the Demon reboot?

>>98313171
>This resulted in some serious spikes of power to "keep up", and fueled a lot of "my dick's bigger" fights in the fanbase leading to general bitterness. Again, the splat division I think harmed both the idea of a combined WoD and the individual splats themselves.
How could it have been otherwise? And do you have any methods for preventing this sort of powerscale fixation?

>>98319435
Vitae allergy would kill most Garou that could come from that family, and Kinfolk themselves rarely get to produce Garou I believe (1 in a 100), so the odds are pretty slim if it could even happen. I don't think you can ghoul Garou either yourself, all the ones who take vitae do it recreationally rather than for the steroids they would get had they been human.

How can a Kindred groom a young Garou into killing his enemies? Asking for a friend, btw.

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Promethean fans sure are thin-skinned!

>>98319479
The whole two of them?

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Mage: the Ascension Quest
>>>/qst/6428465

>>98319426
>She can't use celerity for everything
That's sad

>>98319580
>they didn't pick sex magic for raunchy hijinks
Lame

>>98319602
sex is forbidden magick and scary

>>98319631
For me, I prefer a black comedy with sexy fun.

>>98319378
>>98319359
>>98319390
>Am I not entitled to try the liquid demon seed
For me, it's the friggin chicken

>>98319650
Just eat normal chickens man, it's not worth it.

Gay rape with imbued hunters

>>98317459
>TQ
I'm playing Princess the Hopeful right now so interdimensional shenanigans are explicitly more difficult unless you belong to one of the bad guy factions. I suppose he could mold some Dreamlanders into Amanojaku that behave like his OCs then stuff those inside living people

>>98319171
I love how anime she is. Reminds me of that lass from Command & Conquer.
>>98319181
That is a great one, especially if you go for a Sabbat Group that is trying to keep what little is left of their humanity instead of just completely insane edgelords.
>>98319234
YES! Thank you. I think she was the most out there, atleast out of the template characters. Or are there any weirder ones?

>>98319775
The Revenant books are full of weird shit, but the Brujah neonazis are some of the funniest

>>98319775
Only ones that come to mind are both tzimisce... ironic especially since that bratovich is tzimisce adjacent. The first one is a tranny nazi and the other one is a pedo who embraced a little girl and then fleshcrafted her to his back. The little girl then wassailed so he has a wight on his back slowly driving him nuts.

>>98319234
nu-ww could never ever. This is what separates soulless corpo drones attempting to replicate retarded 20s something hippies that, in their time, were actually against the grain from the real deal. They just didn't give a fuck. They were, despite all their retardation, based.

>Rampant femenazi titpirate ghost
Holy kino

>>98319820
the difference is today the retarded dog fucker would be a player character or even a player at the table

>>98319874
The fact it's more acceptable than ever makes WW even more of a pussy for removing everything they think could offend anybodies sensibilities.

>>98319874
I'd need to seriously have a look and see if my campaign could support such a seriously dysfunctional character, and if the other players could tolerate this bullshit
Also what the fuck do you mean miscarry? It shouldn't be physically possible for it to get that far in the first place, right? It's not like there's a vampire actively casting "freak baby time" on her

>>98319894
I dont think she was actually pregnant. I think thats how she rationalized not being able to "carry the baby to term"

>>98319903
That's kind of a relief to read? I was afraid one of you was about to tell me that's a lesser-known ghoul ability

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>>98319915
As a wanna be nancy reage, I can say I never heard of such an ability. Pretty sure thats more mage or werewolf territory

>>98319933
eh I wouldnt rule it out for high dots in animalism, which she probably has?

I'm starting to think the authors of Requiem did not have a particularly high opinion of the Americans or the English.

>>98319955
CofD writers just hate white people

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man & girl go out to drive under moonlight. they stop at on at a side of road. he turn to his girl and say: "baby, i love you very much"
"what is it honey?"
"our car is broken down. i think the engine is broken, ill walk and get some more fuel."
"ok. ill stay here and look after our stereo. there have been news report of steres being stolen."
"good idea. keep the doors locked no matter what. i love you sweaty"

so the guy left to get full for the car. after two hours the girl say "where is my baby, he was supposed to be back by now". then the girl here a scratching sound and a voice say "LET ME IN"

the girl doesn't do it and then after a while she goes to sleep. the next morning she wakes up and finds her boyfriend still not there. she gets out to check and man door hand hook car door.

>>98319961
I meant the comic, but that also is true

>>98319977
>she gets out to check and man door hand hook car door.
what the fuck did he mean by this

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>>98319941
>which she probably has?
Nope, just 1 dot.

>>98319941
that would have to be an advanced power and id rule theyd need to be 15th gen or higher since its actually possible for them in rare cases to become pregnant and carry to term

>>98320033
revenant not vamp
>>98320024
Interesting. Vicissitude could maybe be used, too? "What is your PCs motivation" "I need to gain power so I can magic myself impregnated by dogs."

>>98320024
The dogs seduce her not the other way around

>>98320041
revenants cant get advanced levels of disciplines, i dont think they can even go past 3 and thats with drinking from a low gen elder.

>>98320024
>Appearance 4

shes hot

>>98320051
3 Vicissitude 3 Animalism, can we make it work? Otherwise she's got to quest for a tzigger elder with high vicissitude to perfectly shape her womb for birthing puppies or some shit like that.
>>98320058
despite the fact appearance is also about bearing and how you dress and so on. I would have pegged a dogfucking autist with severe brucellosis as appearance 1 or lower.

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>>98320051
They can go up to 5 if theyre a 4th gen methusela's ghoul

>>98320051
Methusalahs can have ghouls with five dot disciplines but thats super rare. Ive always wanted to put one in a game, a servant to a methusalah or even an Anti who looked down on even some of even the younger Elders because hes older than fuck & survived all kinds of shit

>>98320065
>Otherwise she's got to quest for a tzigger elder with high vicissitude to perfectly shape her womb for birthing puppies or some shit like that.
Vicissitude doesnt work like that. Actually... I think there is a thaumaturgy path that lets you augment supernatural creatures. That would be your best bet. I dont remember which book it was in but if i find it ill post it.

>>98320065
Charisma 1 so she has no personality or allure, its just straight how good her body looks which is attractive if a bit marred by circumstance. If you scrubbed the fleas off her she could turn heads

>>98320108
>>98320065
Virstania would definitely have something that might work for her. Old House of Tremere, the one that goes into everything that fat wicca bitch played around with in her garden.

>>98320108
Found it!
Dirty secrets of the black hand pg 78-79

>>98319464
Use Path of Spirits to make cheap fetishes & talons to bribe him. Young garou kill each other for tokens of spiritual power & you can slap them out pretty easily.

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>>98320108
>Vicissitude doesnt work like that
low level vicissitude doesn't. High level does just about anything remotely connected with bodies, bloor or flesh, which this absolutely is. Are you saying mental attributes(brain) is more unbelievable than making a woman revenant thing able to be impregnated by dogs?
>>98320120
>fat wicca bitch
kek

>>98320149
molding neural pathways and brain matter like clay is more in line with vicissitude than making dog sperm compatible with human eggs, the chromosomes dont match.

you could maybe take puppies out of a female dog and place then in her for her to pretend to have puppies.

>>98320162
How are neural pathways different from wombs and chromosomes? They are both microscopic and change everything about a person. Not to mention outright mystical/impossible effects like severing your hand to do your bidding are well within vicissitudes abilities even before elder powers. At elder levels, well..

>>98320149
>High level does just about anything remotely connected with bodies, bloor or flesh,
To a limit. Pregnancy and other cellular-level shit is exclusively the realm of Vis 10. Only the eldest has pulled any freaky Mpreg shit.

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>Have to temporarily retire my character for story reasons
>The reins of leadership pass to another player
>He immediately uses the opportunity to assassinate the Prince and start a war
>All because the Prince invited us for a chat in a vaguely threatening manner

>>98320149
Vicissitude on its own doesnt really work like that. Trust me, I would love it if thats all I needed but unless im homebrewing my own power, there is nothing in any book that would let me achieve such a feat. Ffs you need 6 dots of Vicissitude and 5 in Animalism just to make a Vozhd.

>>98317648
Bane-infused chatgpt girlfriend/boyfriend that enables the user's bad polluting habits and overconsumption
>You're absolutely right! You DESERVE the all new xPhone. You've been working hard. And that plastic cup you threw out of your car window while you were driving down the freeway...live a little! It's probably biodegradable plastic anyways.

>>98317648
Targeted AI psychosis but for Virtual Adepts

>>98320204
>there is nothing in any book that would let me achieve such a feat.
Not true. The eldest raped and impregnated another male vampire using vis 10.
Just achieve golconda and spend a bajillion xp from 50 years of nightly games. Easy.

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The Decedent are those who have returned from the dead: revenants, zombies, liches, and mummies.
I sort of want to include jiangshi and ro-langs, but I know nothing about them.

>>98320219
Looks like autistic dogfucker girl is on a quest, a quest for a mighty favor..

>>98320219
Not to sound antisetitic but you reason like a snake.

>>98320219
path of harmony is already one of the most conducive paths to golconda and would probably be easy to maintain for her if shes not into wanton murder or sadism.

id still rule probably just need advanced levels in protean and animalism to transform your needed anatomy into a dogs or horses or whatever

>>98320219
>Tzimisces have mpreg
Lmfao

>>98319955
>>98319961
Oh, you see someone write about hating colonizers, and you assume they're talking about white people? Maybe you're the real racists.

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why do we pretend tzimisce are the WoD tranny faction when there is an entire craft of chinese tranny Mages that are actually canonically all male-to-female transgenders?

>>98320301
the only people that colonized the world were white

>>98320314
China was colonized by the Han. India was colonized by the Indo-Aryans. South America was colonized by Catholics. There have been plenty of non-white colonizers

>>98320298
Yes, mpreg is body horror. Why do you think it's popular with women?

>>98320301
>Read Requiem Vampire Knight
>All the Americans are either zombies or fat Jews
>All the English are homosexual greedy backstabbing reptiles except the black bestiality enjoyer
>All the G*rmans and French are Aryan vampires
>The one Spaniard is a dog with anger issues
It's kind of funny

>>98320341
So just like real life?

>>98320311
>The Wu-Keng
>Can women jo-
NO ONLY FEMBOYS!!!!
>Can they at least use the Life sphere to-
NO, OUR WIVES HAVE TO BE MEN PRESENTING THEMSELVES AS WOMEN OR IT DOESN’T COUNT!!!!!

What is wrong with the Yama Kings?

God damn the thread is already at 200+ replies. I just made it this morning.

Viss just isnt the best Discipline to make yourself a fertile womb. Can it do it? Kinda, eventually, at its highest level. Meanwhile you can do it with Thaumaturgy within five dots.

>>98320322
>India was colonized by the Indo-Aryans
Anon, the indo-aryans were pasty white people from the south-russian steppes. They had access to horses and more advance metalurgy that let them make better weapons, armor, and chariots, hense the term "horse lord" was used to describe them.

>>98320370
>Meanwhile you can do it with Thaumaturgy within five dots.
Describe most elser disciplines in one sentence.
Seriously, why are elders such retards? Why do they keep making worse, xp-draining versions of blood magic abilities they should already know exist?

>>98320357
>What is wrong with the Yama Kings?
Maybe the fact they're demon lords in hell? Not the best place to find sanity

>>98320311
because nobody cares about chinkWoD

>>98320311
>>98320384
Why do they do it bros? Is it just because?

>>98320372
What are your sources for this? All of the research I've ever done on the subject indicates that the Indo-Aryan people were isolated to the Indian subcontinent until its colonisation and come from a migration out of Iran and across Central Asia around 2000 BC. Are you thinking of the Indo-Iranian Andronovo culture instead?

>>98320378
Thaumaturgy/Blood Sorcery is special. Caine created Disciplines through thematic extentions of his power, but Blood Sorcery uses Vitae to backdoor Sorcery which has a lot more versatility.

>>98320357
>look up the book of crafts
>The spirits they serve forbid the use of magicks which Tradition mages would associate with the Spheres of Spirit and Time, forcing the Wu-Keng to focus on the here and now.
yeah no shit they forbid the use of the spheres you need to facefuck Umbroods
good lord that's fucking pathetic, aren't these girls(male) supposed to be Mages?
any self respecting Mage would have found a way to cheat his way out of any kind of demonic deal and if the Chinese femboys had a spine they would choose a better Craft: I'm sure the hollow ones aren't opposed to having asian goth femboys

>>98320420
Androvo were one branch of 3 cultures that extended into the area, the one I'm talking about is the sintashta that predated the andronovo.

>>98320418
Are you surprised that literal demons have fucked up fetishes?

>>98320357
>NO ONLY FEMBOYS!!!!
They aren't only femboys. There's actually a specific demonic investment the highesr ranked among them get that makes them fully women.
My geuss is the yama kings are so fucking tired of dealing with normal women that they started genderbending mages just to have wives with a semblance of rationality and accountability.

>>98320445
Those are still Indo-Iranians, even if they self-identified as Aryans at the time. So did the Vedic peoples, who academia recognises as Indo-Aryans. Aryan is just what all of the Iranians of the time (and their migrations) called themselves.

>>98320463
I guess if she can achieve the highest rank in your little clubhouse you can trust her to have an actual uterus

>>98320468
It feels a bit disingenuous to lable them that way when genetically they had more in common with russians than iranians, even if they lived closer to iran at the time they became sintashta.

>>98320481
Several thousand years of conquest and migration can cause genetics to flip all over the place. Culturally and linguistically, the Indo-Iranians and Indo-Aryans were both Iranians and both considered themselves Aryan/Iranian. All north Indian civilisation has Aryan roots.

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>>98320463
most of them have feminine penises, only a few use Life to go full tranny to seduce their evil supervisors
it was very important for White Wolf to have a detailed stance on this issue you see

>>98320456
Does this imply that the humanboos have their version of a bestiality fetish?

>>98320426
>cheat his way out of any kind of demonic deal
Anon, that's not how demonic deals work. Cheating them requires not selling your soul first and the asian femboys have the unfortunate situation of getting tricked into the soul-deal as children.
Their only real hope is getting freed by true faith, either from a powerful inquisitor or findinf a church ran by a priest with at least TF 1.

>>98320497
WW writers must have written everything with one hand, this reads like some gay boywife kink, like the roman concubines (male)

>>98320497
>only a few use Life
Anon, Wu-Keng get demon investments as a craft feature. It's in the book Dragons of the East, pg. 68.
The "Become a real Girl" investment is called Flesh of the Moon on page 69... they did that on purpose didn't they.

>>98320481
>>98320495
NTA but all I know is every Indian and Indo-Asian, even the Brahmin classes, are weirdos who like claiming a fraction of Aryan descent for clout and sex partners and are incredibly conceited and racist. Allegedly they weren't like this during the English colonial period. Very interesting

>>98320508
>Wu-Keng get demon investments as a craft feature.
Wouldn't really call it a feature. Unlike any other infernalists, they have to pay back their investment points in flaws since they have nothing to bargain with anymore. Uniquely though, they can buy fomori powers as if they were investments and without the usual loss of Arete that causes, including the bullshit ones like Brain Eater...

>>98320311
because nobody and i mean nobody gives a shit about crafts

even half the traditions don't have a fanbase these days so crafts have no chance in hell

>>98320513
India's fall-off as a civilization is genuinely second to none.

>>98320551
>even half the traditions don't have a fanbase
That's partly deserved thanks to godaweful lore.
The Verbena deserve to be wiped out completely. They're so bad that Nephandi can't infiltrate them, it's impossible to figure out who took the caul or not because there's the same amount of child sacrifice and demon worship... ahem... "Old God Worship" eirher way.
They do all the same shit as infernalists, but don't get anything out of it the way real infernalists do. They're just maliscious and retarded for the sake of it.

>>98320568
The reasons the traditions have any funs can be summed up to
>edgy (Euthanatoi)
>dogfucking (Verbena)
>incompetent (Hermetics)
>being genuinely cool (Sons of Ether)
>drugs lmao (Ecstatic)

>>98320568
This reads like nephandus getting pissed that the ultra-normie stacies keep invading their cults and trying to turn them feminist.

>>98320591
evil ass infernalist vs hairiest jungle pussy this side of europe who would win?

>>98320568
The things white women will do to get reluctantly knotted by some dog they sprayed wolf pheromones for, baka

>>98320322
>a part of asia was conquered by asians
>india was conquered by white people
>south america was colonized by white people

anon when did you find out you were retarded?

>>98320578
what do verbena have to do with dogfucking i thought they were knock off wiccans and norse pagans. ecstatics would be more into that and they even have a faction with their own magickal epsteins island, they aren't even nephandi.

>>98320568
>The Verbena deserve to be wiped out completely. They're so bad that Nephandi can't infiltrate them, it's impossible to figure out who took the caul or not because there's the same amount of child sacrifice and demon worship... ahem... "Old God Worship" eirher way.
hey this is way waaay funnier than you make it out to be. During ww2 the nephanti managed to flip the largest norse fellowship of the verbana, the iron circle, who left the tradition out of disgust for the celtic verbana and somehow they didn't notice till they been knee deep in blood and the entire world wanted to kill them for being nephanti... which they weren't at the time just your usual insane nazi blood mages

so what did these idiots do? jump into the caul enmass or convert to wyrm worship or both

>>98320646
Some Verbena worship Lilith and Lilith canonically fucked A LOT of shit.

>>98320646
Their traditionbooks likt to talk about their relationship with werewolves and they're mostly white women.
The memes write themelves really.

>>98320646
>wiccans
>norse pagans
>the most druidic tradition
Yeah, they're fucking the animals brother. I'm sorry to tell you.

>>98320646
they have allies in the fianna and red talon tribes the former because they are trying to unite the british supernaturals against the technocracy and the later because there is a faction in the verbana that want to nuke humanity back to the stone age and have the woof restart the impergium which they think will be fine as long as they keep their magic

verbana in general have a lot of supernatural allies already mentioned woofs and the fae, a entire bastet tribe, kolduns

>>98320658
Lilith's own book reads like an insane ex girlfriend trying to blame everyone she's ever met for her problems... and that's the sanatized version with thousands of years of writers trying to show lilith in the best light possible.
Lilith and her bahari, the black furies, the verbena. All three are some of the worste ane most memed on factions in their respective splat. I'm noticing a pattern, and it tracks really well to real life...

>>98320646
>european(white) druids
>witchy nature girls
>white women into animals
anon, it doesn't have to be said. One is simply aware. Much like every hermetic wizard secretly lusts after catgirls, all verbena fuck dogs.

>>98320669
I imagine both the Fianna and the RT think they're a bunch of crazy Staceys

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>>98320507
>WW writers must have written everything with one hand
they did and that's a good thing

>>98320669
>an entire bastet tribe
huh, really? You mean ceilican or something else?

>>98320689
Who lusts after the bears?

>>98320664
you know what didn't think of that true.

>>98320669
that is marauder level insane and retarded and now im agreeing with that guy they should be wiped out

>>98320677
yeah probably wiped out or dismantled though i do like the theme of abused mages and traumatic awakening with the Red Thorn Decadents craft of mages

>>98320698
also white women, but also some really manly bara gays.

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Werwulf - Official Trailer (2026) Aaron Taylor-Johnson, Willem Dafoe, Lily-Rose Depp
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>>98320697
yeah the Ceilican has the entire house cat form gift just to larp as Verbana familiars

>>98320693
sadly we never get the otherside of these "these mages have allies in these subsplats" statments

probably because it's easy to feature splats in a mage game but awfully hard to really feature mages in other splat's games

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>>98320551
maybe I'm alone in this but I like the Knights Templar and think the concept of the Militia Christi is much cooler than anything the Celestial Chorus offers

>>98320704
I meant like a tradition, but this makes sense also.
>>98320709
Damn, that's some good community outreach

>>98320718
That seems a bit weird, since the Tremere book talks about their (current) relation with the Hermetics.

>>98320721
but the celestial chorus literaly offer that. the entire point of hte knight templars and the chorus was that they tried to join the tradition and found that they would just be one of the half dozen knight orders the tradition already has

they don't even had a unique sphere combination because the knights of saint georg have the same spheres and even their magick tech was worse than what the alexandrian society could cook up because it was mostly old order of reason gear the still had around

that's why half the craft dipped out again because they wouldn't be special in any way

>>98320709
A white woman with magic is bad enough, now imagine her ear's being whispered into by an actively schizophrenic werecat whose only goal in life is to party hard and maybe learn a secret or two so they can pretend they are actually doing their Gaia given duty. How the fuck am I supposed to tell a Verbena witch apart from some werecat that's actively being fed sorcery by a witch(remember ceilican can and will learn linear magic and verbana don't really differentiate linear and dynamic mages)??
The answer is, you can't, which is why a lot of Ceilican got burnt on the stakes for the kind of shit Verbena witches got up to. Not like they probably didn't deserve it. Fucking fairy cats. I hate them. And no I am NOT bitter the cat stacies hang out with the witch stacies instead of dashing, 90 year old long decrepit volcel hermetics like me.

>>98320743
Should have settled for the Garou BF like the other wizard, until he was deleted by paradox

>>98320677
>Lilith's own book reads like an insane ex girlfriend trying to blame everyone she's ever met for her problems...
To an extent. More so a mary sue who is mistreated by everyone except her awesome angelic boyfriend (and the toreador / nosferatu antes)... damn ennoia was down to slaughter her half siblings.

>>98320748
Let's have some respect in this House (of Hermes). I wouldn't lower myself to fucking dogs.

>>98320753
>He wants the Master/Slave relation with a sentient cat instead of the loving and cuddly wolf (not a dog)
Yearning for a life of servitude when you could be yearning for freedom

i think the worst thing about the verbana is that they are such a charisma black hole

they have seriously cool magic rotes and blood magic in general is just cool, thematic and has a strong imagery... but the verbana somehow fail to sell it

they should probably also not be a seperate tradition from the dreamspeakers as that kinda limits their ability to call upon pagan phanteons, monsters, spirits and all that stuff

>>98320763
Wiccan stuff is just generally geeky because of all the modern pseudo-practice compared to outright druidry

>>98320753
house Tytalus has some ties with the shadowlords which is weird because they also have ties with old clan tzimisce (the faction not the bloodline) for pretty much the same reason: Fuck the Tremere

... but then half the time they show up they get ghouled by tremere because they expected them to hold back on them because they are "family"

>>98320770
>Fuck the Tremere

It seems my superiority has let to some controversy.
House Tremere
Clan Tremere
Tribe Tremere
All will be Usurped in time

>>98320763
dreamspeakers are animist
verbena are about life energy, and would've been rolled into similar paradigms such as aztec blood sacrifice if not for a certain author having a wiccan bias

>>98320763
that's because they been written by a guy who actually believes in wicca and "charisma black hole" is a good way to describe these guys

>>98320787
>Tremere turn themselves into abominations
>Immediately start to backstab each other
It's untenable to be more than either vampires or wizards

>>98320760
>>98320770
frankly I don't think a garou is ever going to vibe with any sort of hermetic. They'll have alliances of convenience but hermetics are way too arrogant to not get into pissing matches. That and even if an individual Garou is fine, they've got obligations to their tribe.
That's why the stereotypical ally fera for a mage is a bastet (or a kitsune in the east). They got the interest in mysticism, the disposition to let a hermetic just prattle on if only to see what it's about, and generally work alone.
But even then it's fraught, as hermetics tend to be far too chuddy even for, by fera standards, tolerant bastet.

>>98319457
>How would we go about doing this for the Demon reboot?
I dunno, the devil's in the details there. I'd suggest starting with mortals as a baseline. Makes building out from there more effective. If you don't want to do that, you'll just have to be iterative. What doesn't your Demon cover? Well, make that the focus of the next thing. When making it, think about what rules would actually be exclusive to this splat and what could be backported, made universal, or even just could be supplementary to previous books. I mentioned that Mummy gave additional bonuses to 6+ dot attributes, but no other book uses them.

>How could it have been otherwise? And do you have any methods for preventing this sort of powerscale fixation?
Actually consider previous templates when making new ones in an attempt to guard against power creep for its own sake. This doesn't mean that everything will be perfectly balanced, even within a single template you'll inevitably have some things be stronger than others. They don't need to, nor should they be, equal. But at least try to give every template you make something it does best, or can do the easiest, or the cheapest, or perhaps that only it can do. You're always gonna get some people that wanna go "my monster can beat up your monster", but by considering other templates when designing new ones, giving each something that makes them stand out, and creating clear and reasonable rules for how powers interact, you'll be able to build something that can actually facilitate stable cross-splat parties where nobody needs hand-outs to feel useful.

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>>98320799
aren't abominations sterile? so you can't really make a tribe of hybrids underworld style

>>98320162
>than making dog sperm compatible with human eggs, the chromosomes dont match.
It's just flesh shaping at very very very small scales

>>98320802
I'm sure some tribes (not the RT, obvious) would be okay with it given the Mage meets some prerequisites, like being strong for the Get, submissive to women for the Furies, I doubt you'd get any type of relationship out of a Shadow Lord but being a proud hummie might get you in with the Glass Walkers. You're probably right though that Hermetics are too chuddy and prideful to keep anyone in the longer term.

>>98320418
The Yama Kings are evil this is not a surprise

>>98320813
maybe with viv 10

but i think allowing it if: they are already capable of getting pregnant by being a 15th or 16th gen and have advanced powers in protean and animalism.

you already have the ability to get animal traits, transform into an animal, meld with an animal, or body hop into animal. you should be able to turn your womb into a dogs womb

>>98320819
Well, of course. Specific Mages having working relationships with a tribe of Garou is different from having a Garou companion that's less with their tribe and more with you, though. You've listed some ways, but there's a lot more many of which are just alliances of convenience. Meanwhile you can totally have a Bastet as a Consor and if you overpay in magical secrets you might MIGHT even motivate the creature into doing something for you, instead of freeloading on being hot.
A singular Garou Consor meanwhile? Ehhhhhhhhh... Maybe a Ronin, that has precedence for that one sorcerer chad.
A local Garou Sept as allies? Believable.

>>98320830
I'm sure if the writiers were even more unhinged Protean 5 would allow you to quite literally fuck the earth

>>98320835
>you MIGHT even motivate the creature into doing something for you by overpaying
Cats gonna cat, I'm sure the dogs would do things for you voluntarily

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>>98320578
I think the Akashics should be on that list
you may have pretend to understand/care about the whole consensus is a shared illusion and wheel of reincarnation shit, but they let you have fun karate chopping people's heads off with kung-fu magic

>>98320418
breaking taboos seems to be a way to gain infernal-like magic for awakened even if no actual demon is involved

the circle of red would be these guys western counterpart as while they didn't crossdress (that we know of) they periodically sinned not because they enjoyed it but because they know that it was abnormal which allowed the awakened members to pain themselves as subverting the divine will, the question if that will is real or imagined didn't seem to matter the act of rebellion did just as it does for the Wu-Keng

but they also got enslaved by actual infernal forces after pissing off several major infernal entities so we are 0 to 2 for the taboo breakers. so it's probably not the best way to study magic

>>98317459
Why are clan Cheese-mickey so autism coded? Being some kind of weirdo extremist (chud or sjw) just vibes with their whole deal. Whether tribu, antitribu, or anarch

Is it because of their obsessiveness?