>>98328037
Monday Update
>Post-Editing Development
Essence Player’s Guide Novella: Even the Heavens Will Burn (Exalted Essence)
The second of the two novellas from the Essence Player’s Guide crowdfunding campaign is now back to the developer for review!
>Art Direction
Infernals – And again: this week
>Layout
Essence PG – Thus beginneth the layout
>Proofing
Alchemicals – Awaiteth the errata from the devs
we're probably looking at an august release for alchemicals, if i'm looking at this right

>>98328037
I haven't used any canon characters yet, mostly because I don't really remember they exist when they would be relevant you end up with similar concepts but different executions.

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>>98328037
>ST introduces some canon glup shitto
>starts giving us proverbial winks like we're supposed to know who the fuck that is
>we don't

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Which Ebon Dragon do you prefer?
>1e: The shadow of all things, that which drank of death and became a liminal existence, loves those who are doomed to die whose death would change the world, has a fiance who might—horrifyingly enough—live, tests his prison because he does not trust the works of gods, will be unsuccessful on escaping but might doom the world in the attempts.
>2e: The plotter and planner, helped in the creation of the Unconquered Sun so he would have perfection to mirror himself in opposition, the driving force of the Yozi schemes, especially of the Reclamation where the Yozi would/will escape, his marriage will be a grand and great thing and he has constructed a glorious palace for his bride, the great betrayer of everyone—especially himself.

>>98328438
1E.

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>Lunars be like

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Can we talk about just how fucking USELESS Dawns are?

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>>98328037
Who are your favorite signature members of each splat? I like picrel for Infernals for instance, love a good redemption story, and I wish Basphony in Verdigris hadn’t hadn’t been kicked out of the main Circle.

>>98328037
regent fokuf and the scarlet empress, thats about it.

>>98328618
>kills you

Nothing personal gaijin.

>>98328638
i dont follow stories, the infernal nun switch side?

>>98328618
The solaroids castes weren't well thought out, I don't think the devs knew what to do with them.
Another example are Zeniths, who are a caste of biblical prophets without much inherent holiness.

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>>98328665
Not him, but it's implied her Lunar mate, Strength-of-Many redeems her in one of the 2e chapter comics. I'd have to track it down though.

>>98328037
>decent Alchemical art
Well fucking FINALLY

>>98328037
Strange, there's an 3e artist who always draw hands with different textures than the arm/body

>>98328618
>>98328706
Ahem. Eclipses.

>>98329685
By far the most dangerous Exalt in my ExWoD game. Fucking Eclipses man. Paperwork is an awesome power.

>>98328037
>Thread Question: How many characters from the books do you use if any at all?
I have used some of the Deathlords and some of the Sidereal convention chairs. Most games we aren't in the right area to run into people, or I'm just unaware - like, in my Sidereal game, we were in the Convention of Water, and the only canon Sidereal in that convention I could find was the convention chair. I did run a Nexus game once, in which I used Crow the Boy, Ophilis Ses, and Grilo the guildsman.

Every time I introduce a canon character though, it feels like >>98328435

>>98328618
hey they have cheap access to resistance, awareness and dodge now, as well relatively straight forward ways of gaining xp that doesn't involve a lot of social setup

>>98328706
they seem less like biblical prophets and more like powerful exorcists that build cults behind themselves

Does having War 5 and Bureaucracy 0 mean you're one of the world's best strategists but without an aide de camp you're hopeless at keeping your army fed and supplied?

>>98329866
No. If you read the rules very carefully, Bureaucracy doesn't actually do anything.

>>98329868
>Bureaucracy doesn't actually do anything.
wut

>>98329870
There are no subsystems that tie Bureaucracy in directly in 3e. The Leadership system doesn't use dice, as an example of this phenomena. It's not even used for bargain rolls, that's Socialize now. You only use Bureaucracy for ad-hoc rolls the Storyteller calls for when things have been abstracted enough that they judge it appropriate.

>>98329866
>Does having War 5 and Bureaucracy 0 mean you're one of the world's best strategists but without an aide de camp you're hopeless at keeping your army fed and supplied?
Logistics plays no role in 3e. While fatigue and starvation penalties do exist, they're entirely ad-hoc. Strategic Maneuvers, which are what we use in 3e to display strategic acumen of any kind, is all War. Theoretically you could come up with a Strategic Maneuver like Well-Fed or Starve Them Out that inflicts starvation penalties when you get into the fight scene, but strictly speaking an army group could run for weeks without the system trying to impose fatigue penalties on them, and they'd only show up when the Storyteller decides it'd be nice. It's kind of like archers running out of arrows, it never happens until they say it does - there is no ammo count, and there is no hunger meter.

>>98329870
It's a meme based on the fact that the Project rules in the core book are kind of vague compared to the obsessive granular detail of the Combat rules for example.

>>98329883
Bruh the crafting was so granular they only kept iy because they thought the dev behind it was going to die.

>>98330090
The funny thing is that the craft system isn't even very granular, it's just overcomplicated in the worst places and generally bad. The Craft charms specifically are way too granular, but the craft mechanics are mostly a case of jamming in a bunch of unnecessary shit like project slots and multiple flavors of craft xp and evocations being used to describe basic functionality for the artifacts, while at the same time taking out some of the actually valuable stuff that adds to the game like crafting exceptional equipment or artifacts useable by mortals. Then also doing stuff that's just bad like per scene and per session mechanics being used simultaneously with in-character timeframes, or contravening themselves between one page and another.

>>98329866
You're that stereotypical officer from war movies who only cares about the number of bullets you can pour into the enemy and bullies the support staff

>>98330168
It vaguely sounds like they had a premise for the "crafting system: making shit should allow you to make better shit" but kept trying to solve their own nitpicks like the Iron Dagger Exploit only for it to snowball.
IDK if they just made the thing into a way to reduce XP costs for item related merits that should solve the problem. At least that way they could translate the worth while subsystem for making your own stuff up.

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>>98330613
That or MacGyver.

>>98328037
>oh cool, the art for Alchemicals is kinda goo-
>notice that tiny, tiny hand
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

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>>98331233
The artist I'd improving, the legs aren't mangled like with exigents

Dead game, dead thread.

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>>98333463
Yeah

where exalted game

>>98333932
best I can give is exalted fic
https://forum.questionablequesting.com/threads/sorcerer-an-exalted-isekai.38420/

>>98333941
I can't access.

>>98333463
>dead thread.
You posted 3am on a Friday night, we were all too busy going to parties and having sex with our girlfriends to post here

>>98334010
QQ hides all it's NSFW threads behind having an account. Make a throwaway and you'll be able to see it.

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Strange how liminals will come before Getimians.
Are the devs hedging their bets/gains by selling SMAs later?

>>98335589
Yes, but also Liminals were next in line after Infernals in 2e as well.

I know it's a dead horse, but I was comparing the very well thought of Lunars 3e charms to the very denigrated boring Silver Solar charms from 2e and I decided to review a charm category from each and see how many "new capabilities" it gave you vs just enhancing dice rolls for stuff you could already do.

Looking at the perception charms, and 2e is almost entirely new capabilities.

Automatically sense impossible to sense things (serves as dematerialized sight, but also works on other invisibility, perfect stealth etc), prognostication stuff, attacking without line of sight, copies of the solar sense stuff (I know, but it let's you do explicitly superhuman like, visually determining the thread count of someone's clothes shit), make mortal weapons that look identical to artifact weapons sense when magic is used around you (charms, not just sorcery) and what kind of magic it is, see through others' eyes, instantly know who passed through an area as far back as multiple years, explicitly not being overwhelmed by the large amounts of data that presents, wyld detection senses...

Almost every charm gives you a completely new capability, the only "numbers" prerequisite on almost anything is "any perception excellency."

Then you look at 3e and you have to wade through like 5 dice tricks that are basically weak but efficient excellencies for specific purposes "double 8s to detect poisons and reroll essence 2s" which take up hella mental capacity to get to one cool charm that lets you do something normal humans are incapable of.

Half the time (sense borrowing method) it's a 2e retread and frequently it's shit that a normal ST would allow anyone to do. 6 motes to be allowed to roll perception+socialize to understand a social taboo or ritual? Are you fucking shitting me?

When you sense motive you can tell where someone is from UNLESS they're concealing it, in which case you have to beat their stealth roll. Why would you not already be allowed to do that?

Hear me out: Characters with worse Perception have smaller rangebands because they can't talk to people as far away and people become dots in the distance sooner.

>>98335722
>Then you look at 3e and you have to wade through like 5 dice tricks that are basically weak but efficient excellencies
You have to thank your lucky stars if they're efficient because usually they aren't, they're purely useful because they dodge the dicecap.

>>98335803
Range bands are abstracted, they are as far as you can reach to stab someone (close), as far as you can run in a few seconds (short) etc. If you want to give actual measurements then you can, but I think "I'm in sort range of you but you're not in short range of me" is unnecessary

>>98335816
So what you're saying is that people with longer arms and higher dexterity have longer rangebands.

I should also point out that yes perception is used to determine medium+ rangeband length.

>>98335722
>Half the time (sense borrowing method) it's a 2e retread and frequently it's shit that a normal ST would allow anyone to do. 6 motes to be allowed to roll perception+socialize to understand a social taboo or ritual? Are you fucking shitting me?
It is 3e's "stunts as charms" paradigm mixed with a poor understanding of the concept of cultural heroe.

3e's charms are meant to be bits of stories, this Charm represents those scenes of a character noticing a taboo.

>>98335835
>So what you're saying is that people with longer arms and higher dexterity have longer rangebands.
I am if you're saying female characters have one less health level during their period because they're already bleeding

>>98335859
Nah, they just take a -2 internal penalty during.

>press jump button, double tap direction button to air-dash, press attack button to perform air-dashing attack
vs
>select "perform air-dash attack" from a menu and watch the cutscene of your character performing an air-dash attack
Is this what people mean when they complain about"Charms as stunts"?

>>98335915
More or less.
There is also the "you go avatar and channel the elements to run faster" vs the stunt like "you channel the idea of the swift wind in order to run faster" bit.

>>98335850
2e is like this as well. Pretty much all the editions are like this from what I can tell.

>>98336184
End of 2e was more powers as programs, with charms coming as things you install in your exaltations.

I have no idea what any of you guys are talking about anymore.

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>>98336572
Disregard logic. Return to chimera

>>98336572
2e'a charms was written by increasing clarity Alchemicals, 3e's by the raksha

I tried to pick up QExalted but the system is quite daunting for my dullard mind and I can't make heads or tails of how the Charms work. Is there a QExalted 101 for Dummies guide somewhere or something?

>>98329714
I might have been underestimating them then. Why are they so strong? What are they doing in your game?

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Keep hearing neighbors shouting. I assume the World Cup has gone for or against them.

>>98337296
Despite all the mistakes made during the development of Exalted, not just 3e but the entire damn gameline, it still has more thought put into it than the thought process going into sports betting.

Could an Exalted of any type tank a stone thrown from a catapult falling on them? How many Resistance or Stamina Charms do they need to be capable of such a feat?

>>98337510
>it still has more thought put into it than the thought process going into sports betting.
Depends on what you define as "thought put on it", FBI is currently investigating a multi million corruption scheme involving Argentine's federation.
The same Argentine that bought its first title and poisoned its adversaries.

>>98337550
Let me clarify, I mean the thought process for idiot average joes actually putting money into online legally-not-gambling sportsbooks. The people actually running these not-regulated-as-casinos are actual financial geniuses making big money off something I'd argue is more unethical than hard drugs in the long run simply because it spreads out the dopamine hits and therefore the longevity of the adverse effects wider, the retards who actually think spicing up their favourite ball-kicker's victory with their own money are the ones who are retards.

>>98337541
Soul-Sand Devil Shintai (2e) or Soul-Sand Devil Incarnation (3e). The Infernal is now permanently immune to mundane force. Done.

>Doesn't count!
Fine. IIRC Scroll of Kings says a falling catapult stone does 12-16L damage. Scar-Writ Saga Shield raises natural Soak to Stamina and grants equal bashing Hardness on the first purchase. On the second, Soak increases by (Essence) rating. And at E4, a third repurchases raises natural bashing/lethal Hardness to match natural soak. Moreover attackers with permanent Essence 4 dots less than the Infernal can't inflict minimum damage if they fail to penetrate soak; I'm assuming the catapult doesn't have an Essence rating.

Viridian Legend Exoskeleton provides Soak 10L/10B, and helpfully has Hardness equal to the soak against attacks made without a Charm or artifact weapon; an E4 repurchase lets the armor combine and merge with existing artifact armor, gaining the best of both traits. Helpfully, a catapult stone is neither.

I was going to ramble on and on about calcs but I've suddenly realised there are 2 specific 2e Infernal Charms that mean I've been overthinking all this. For now, the important takeaway is that at E4 Stamina 5 only the greatest of catapult stones can even TOUCH an Infernal. Even with lower Stamina, an investment of 5 Charms means that the Infernal just goes "ouch" and shrugs it off. An investment of 7 Charms gives the Infernal (Essence X 10) points of mutations which between Thick Skin, Armored Hide and Carapace should make even the greatest of catapult stones mathematically insignificant.

Here's why none of that shit matters: Invulnerable Wounding Futility (3 Charms) and By Agony Empowered (3 Charms). The former destroys nonmagical projectiles. Straight up destroys. The catapult stone does not get a save. The latter simply does not permit the Infernal to enter Dying health levels until all his health levels are full of aggravated damage, which the catapult stone mathematically cannot do.

>>98337709
Well... anecdotal evidence, but some backers do it out habit, an infamous example is somebody stopping following Geist 2e's discussion because it was making them have second thoughts about backing it.

>>98337541
>3e

A catapult STONE isn't statted in Arms but catapult damage is.

>Accuracy: Close -5, Short -3, Medium +4, Long +2, Extreme +0, Damage/Overwhelming: +15/3
>Bashing, Siege (Long), Bombard, Slow, Smashing

So. 15 withering damage and 3 minimum damage. And the tags actually nerf it by restricting the rock to Bashing. Right off the bat, no amount of rocks will stop the Infernal from popping Devil-Body as an automatic reaction once the Infernal eats a -4 level, which technically counts as tanking. As for what else we can add.

>5 dot Unusual Hide + Carapace means that BEFORE CHARMS the Infernal stacks 10 Soak and 5 Hardness on their base traits

Well. There you fucking have it. With NO CHARMS an Infernal (or indeed, any Solaroid) can facetank the Withering damage of a big rock in 3e if they have a really weird physiology, AND silence it's Overwhelming damage with pure hardness.

One. Fucking. Scar-Writ Saga Shield purchase. Confers +2 soak and Hardness 4 before stacking, with minimal Stamina. And it's not even required. You don't even have to Resistance Primordial this shit. Mathematically, ordinary catapults can't hurt Exalts who decide to LARP as turtles.

>>98335589
My guess is that the people behind the development has that stuff premade.

>>98337541
As a final aside, I want to say that Lunars and Alchemicals SHOULD be able to tank the rock too, but I'm not as familiar with the exact Charms needed and "make them Akuma, give them Malfeas Charms" is a copout. The absolute braindead answers are "Tyrant Lizard/living landscape shapeshifting (2e only) or Metropolis" of course.

Also, in a very technical sense Abyssals could purely through Immortal Malevolence Enslavement/Immortal Malevolence, by just dying to the rock and then breaking the game's nominal rule against resurrection by getting up again.

Are Getimians known Anathema? If not, why the fuck not - it's not like they have Arcane Fate. If so, does that mean the Wyld Hunt get involved in the War on Heaven, chasing the Getimians even if they run to Yu Shan?

>>98337541
Wait, I've found an alternative for Solars.

>Invincible Essence Reinforcement changes a Solar's lethal/bashing soak calculations to (stamina +3). This Charm can be purchased (Resistance) times
>It can be purchased (resistance) times, and subsequent purchases add a flat 3 to natural lethal/bashing soak instead
>With E4 the Solar gains extra lethal/bashing hardness equal to the times this Charm is purchased

So at Resistance 4 Stamina 4 Essence 4, a Solar can rock 16 lethal Soak and 4 Hardness for a 4 Charm investment because Invincible Essence Reinforcement is a blatant stopgap for squishy Solars with no prereqs in Ink Monkeys. Permanently. Not bad at all, certainly competitive with being able to fucking annihilate catapult stones for 3 motes with 1 Charm.

>>98338073
It is likely that the Bronze Faction will have clued the Immaculate Faith into Getimians. After that it's just a matter of wrangling together and directing a Wyld Hunt.

>>98338073
Do we even know how they interact with the setting beyond terrorism or "trying to kill and replace it"?

>>98338116
>After that it's just a matter of wrangling together and directing a Wyld Hunt
oh right this is the answer, I forgot what 3e wyld hunts are like
of course five guys on a mission would go into heaven no problem
and it doesn't matter whether getimians should be anathema because the immaculate faith is up to interpretation and we can never know who knows what

>>98338359
>get drunk
>Solar walks over and slaps my girl's ass
That's it, I'm telling mom. We're a 3e Wyld Hunt now.

>>98338716
The real joke is when five guys form up a Wyld Hunt to take down the kid they bullied in primary school who went to the Heptagram instead of the House of Bells. "But I'm blessed by the Dragons!" the sorcerer cries as the righteous Wyld Hunt cuts them down. "Pfeh," the hunter replies, spitting on their corpse, "Damn Exigent tried to fool us."

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>>98328037
What are your favorite canon demons/demon types? And what advice do you have for making new ones?

>>98339482
>What are your favorite canon demons/demon types?
Decanthrope, hooded lanterns, nanake in the first circle
Gervasin, Mara, and the stompy earth lady in the second circle
Ligier, roadman (Jacinct?), and Munaxes in the third circle

Admittedly they're only my favourites of the ones I remember off the top of my head.

>And what advice do you have for making new ones?
It's going to be magical realm no matter what you do, because Malfeas in general is magical realmy, so don't be afraid of it. Just fuzz it up a little with some minorly offputting jankiness like a weird form or a bit of crazy, and make them a little inconvenient to make use of so that they're never just a gimme, and you'll be fine. Sesseljae and peronell should be the limit of discretion among first circle demons - nothing should be more invisible while still doing it's thing. Always remember to ask yourself what the demon's dayjob is, especially for 2nd and 3rd circles, because everything they're summoned for is just odd jobs and their time in Malfeas is what they should think of as their primary time sink, always. For first circles you can somewhat get away with just thinking about what their race does, but it's best not to unless they're being spam summoned. Try to avoid anything that is too good/easy when spam summoned, god knows people want to flood out a billion mercury ants whenever they get elemental summoning.

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>>98338359
>and it doesn't matter whether getimians should be anathema because the immaculate faith is up to interpretation and we can never know who knows what
According to their companion book, the dragon blooded will put aside their differences to hunt down anathema.

>>98339767
>According to their companion book, the dragon blooded will put aside their differences to hunt down anathema.
Yeah, but Anathema aren't a consistent classification in 3e. They're Introduce a Factable, probably intentionally. Exigents can be Anathema, sorcerers can be Anathema, celestial Exalted can be Anathema, necromancers can be Anathema, gods can be Anathema, demons can be Anathema, people who just look like any of the above can be Anathema. You could call a Wyld Hunt on a Dragonblood quite comfortably, so long as you had some friends you could rally and a reason to go after them.

Do 3e Lunars have options to become mutable like Changelings (becoming objects or turning limbs into stretchy weapons etc) in Star trek DS9? Or are they limited to specific human/animal forms?

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>>98339801
Shit is arbitrary so the leaders can do whatever the fuck they want, news at 11.

>>98339932
They have charms to turn their limbs into weapons and extend their reach but I don't remember the details about the build you need to get to that.
Mutations also cover that shit but those depend on the version of the game. 1e basically forebids them while 3e has charms that give them to you.

On paper you can port them between versions but that depends on the ST.

>>98339932
They could in 2e but not in 3e. Petting zoo animal transformations for you only. And don't even think of gaining Legendary Size, that's for elders only.

>>98338359
>>98339767
>>98339801
>>98339948
From what I remember "Anathema" is a designation given to supernatural entities that pose a dire threat to the very foundation of the world (Realm). A local god that extorts human sacrifices out of its followers is pretty bad but can be brought back in line after a righteous beating or two, but a god like, say, Han-Tha is always going to be Anathema. I'm going by pre-3e canon on this one though.

>>98336937
I'm in the same boat. I like what I see, but the nitty-gritty eludes me. I don't even think it's the rules, but the writing.

>>98340591
Odds are the rules work just fine but you need to see them in play first.

>>98336937
The secret is understanding the supernatural way, once it clicks, the rest is falls in place

>>98340722
I've read it multiple times and it's not clicking. Am I overlooking something? Am I looking at it the worng way?

>>98340820
Nah. Simple rule of thumb - if a fan project spends its first page bitching about something instead of writing cool stuff then you can just toss it as an unusable mess. I've looked at it before but it's a mess and I'm pretty sure no one besides the devs have actually played it.

>>98340886
Some anons did

>>98340905
Can't understand why. It looks so incredibly boring and flat out whiny. Good for them though.

>>98340942
Some tried it to see if it could do the promised high flying action

>>98340274
Seems fair enough.

>>98340942
I don't know if I'd call it whiny. As much as the author's screed at the beginning is annoying, referring to it as whiny implies he keeps on doing it throughout the work when it mostly just goes into mechanics afterwords. From what I'm able to understand of them, the rules seem reasonable and consistent which is annoyingly uncommon in even professional rpgs. They're just not written clear enough, which isn't surprising since I think the creator admitted to being ESL.

>>98341043
It has that energy for sure. Either way it doesn't seem to be my thing. I don't understand why someone would spend all that time working on something like that and not ask a few people to help them edit down the broken-brain shit in it. Bah.

>>98341089
I remember reading him talk about his thought process, and it's literally a calculated act of pure spite so the "wrong people" don't play it, which is how come it's front loaded rather than spread throughout the work. It's literally a filter which I think is dumb as hell since it filters a lot of normies too, even if I like the work itself.

>>98341125
That just sounds like an autistic giving people "the worst spoons" when all the spoons are basically the same. I get it and I hate that I get it but it's still very stupid and makes the entire thing worse. Passion products are pretty though and something being so autistic that "you're not the ones meant to play it" is honestly pretty funny so whatever. I'm happy it exists but I don't see why anyone would ever bother with it at the moment.

Maybe one day they'll make their Underrail, who knows.

>>98337970
For 2e Lunars, they have a pair of very accessible soak boosing charms at Sta 3, Ess 2. One gives two points of natural bashing and lethal soak per essence spent, the other gives 3 points of bashing and lethal armored soak per essence spent. They're combo-able, scene long, and have a cap of Ess motes spent on them. So at base, if you have those two the lunar has an additional 10 soak. If they have Moon Face Mail or moonsilver armor, the soak from the armor charm stacks with it's soak.

>>98337771
note that in 2.5 some of those charms are nerfed so be aware of the version you are playing.

>>98339482
perroneles, translate AND protect you. mad useful.

Where do I find the charms to "awaken" dragon kings into sentience? I remember them being a thing but can't remember where I found them years ago.

>>98341615
2e has it in Debris, p 14. Player's Guide p 158 for 1e.

>>98341992
Thank you very much.

>>98340274
>I'm going by pre-3e canon on this one though.
No, pre-3e canon was that Celestial Exalted were Anathema. That's why Sidereals are considered Anathema despite being vital to the ongoing Realm and Creation as a whole - if Sidereals are discovered, they are canonically considered to have always been Anathema with no retcons involved. All the other evils of the world were just evils of the world to be corrected.

Ran the Tomb of Dreams to a fresh group. All seemed to really enjoy the system and got really excited about making their own characters. Now I've been sort of roped in to running at least a short campaign to them.
Thinking of basing it around a group of Lunars assaulting the Nail of Truth to save the rest of their pack. The players will be solars that get saved by accident and then get hopefully drafted to the cause.

>>98343005
Good luck anon, I believe in you. Love hearing that people are doing well.

Suppose I'm willing to give 2E a try to see if it's,a better fit for my group than 3E. Is going with 2.5 a no-brainer, or does original 2E have something to recommend it? I'm mainly curious anout ehether 2.5 is a straight upgrade for all the splats, or whether some Exalted type is screwed over by the changes in the errata.

>>98343744
2.5 is a straight upgrade, and retrofits the older splats with the actually good rules they added for Infernals. Please use it

>>98343764
Alright, thanks. I can deal with clunky mechanics, but is there something I should be on the lookout if I do manage to convince my group to try it? Like, is there something that's so broken even with the errata that we'd have a better time just cutting it out, or do you think a group that's fine with complex mechanics and familiar with Storyteller system and Exalted 3E but not with 2E can just play it as it is without major problems?

>>98344333
Scroll of Errata (2.5) didn't fix everything, but it also break anything that wasn't already broken in 2e base model, at least as far as I recall.

>>98344399
Okay, thanks again. I think I'll try to sell my group on 2.5 next time it feels like they'd be amenable to playing Exalted again. Some of the issues the rest of my group's had with 3E seem like things that might be less of a problem in 2.5.

>>98343764
not everyone considers buffing the shit out of solars and nerfing the shit out of half the other splats an upgrade anon
i distinctly remember sidereals and dragonblood getting assraped
i also remember a distinct lack of superior general mechanics
it had some good ideas but not everything was as good as nerfing perfect defenses

>>98344548
>sidereals
Those never really had functional mechanics in 2e era.

>>98344548
>it had some good ideas but not everything was as good as nerfing perfect defenses
Question about Perfects, actually: in fa/tg/uys' experience, does Scroll of Errata do enough to nerf them?

>>98344548
>Sidereals
You're in 2e, Sidereals are going to be assraped regardless

>Dragonblooded
Dragonblooded got a ton of errata, unless you mean the free reflexive use, in which case literally everyone I knew abandoned combos and using the houserule in the book. Hell, I remember people having some criticisms on 2.5e but combo rules being shot was definitely not one of them.

>>98344971
No combos was the number one houserule in 2e

>>98344984
I know, but there are some people I knew who actually defended them.

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>>98344990
>there are some people I knew who actually defended them

>>98344706
Not much, perfect paradigm was a symptom of the hype lethality disease, you cannot fix it without addressing the rocket tag issue.

>>98344618
I'm fairly confident that it was the SMA high essence stuff that was broken, not essence 1-5 play. The same goes for all of Exalted really.

>>98344990
Because they still exist in 2.5, it's just your combo is your entire charm tree instead of writing them down before hand. It was a terrible mistake to make and bogs down the whole game.

If you ever wondered why every table in older editions of exalted play totally different then each other this is one of the reasons why. People get really silly when they can combo all their charms on demand and have more charms then they do toes and fingers.

>>98345234
I thought that you still needed to prepare your combos in game, but was free from any exp taxes.

>>98345244
Nah. I mean, sorta, but I've never been at a table that tried that. Mostly it's "Just use whatever charms you have out of your bajillion charms". So basically a nightmare when you have a ton of options. Combos fix this pretty handily when you realize why they exist.

I'm honestly starting to understand the "We don't want to make rules that you only think you want" line because holy shit the game becomes unplayable when the fans make the rules.

>>98345252
Combos are a solution for a problem that the devs themselves caused.

>because holy shit the game becomes unplayable when the fans make the rules.
Ironically enough, the devs also aren't that good at rule making.

>>98345265
It would have happened no matter what just because of how many charms there are. Throw in the countless homebrew charms that people love to use and it's a problem you can't really avoid. Also having more ways for people to lose motes is always nice for the game flow.

None of this really matters when you don't have a billion charms and merits and artifacts but still.

>>98345286
>Artifacts.
These are actually closer to the core of the problem, goremauls alone broke the balance.

>>98328037
What are the most important things to remember when creating a character, both mechanically and in terms of lore, be they PCs or NPCs?

>>98345746
Anyone who isn't a Solar/Abyssal/Infernal exalted only lives because a Solar/Abyssal/Infernal exalted hasn't had a reason to kill them, and its in their best interest to keep it that way

>you only get the control spell you learn my taking the sorcery or necromancy charms
>you can't learn other spells until you reach essence 3 or 5 respectively
>you can't take summoning spells as control spells
Does this make Occult a worthwhile Supernal ability?

Reading 2e charms I found this.

>Invincible Essence Reinforcement
>Cost: —
>Mins: Resistance 3, Essence 2
>Type: Permanent
>Keywords: Stackable
>Duration: Permanent
>Prerequisite Charms: None

>Undertaking a grueling regimen of endurance training, the Solar folds Essence into his body until his skin becomes hard enough to turn aside blades. The Lawgiver’s natural lethal and bashing soak calculations become (Stamina + 3). This Charm may be purchased up to a total of (Resistance) times; each purchase after the first adds 3 to the character’s natural lethal and bashing soak.
>With Essence 4+, the Solar also gains natural lethal and bashing hardness equal to the number of times he has purchased this Charm.
I was surprised that it took until ink monkeys for them to introduce a mechanic similar to a homebrew from my table.

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>Lunars are stereotyped as the furry splat.
>Some anons clam that Infernals and Solars were actually the most popular among furfags.
>Years pass.
>Search for exalted fanarts.
>See this 2e era Infernal.
I shouldn't have questioned the allegations.

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>>98346413
Just tailor the splat to your table.

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>>98346425
>Spiral.
She seems to have gained a boost from the 97 cartoon.
Jubilee also had a renaissance thanks for it and rivals

>>98346413
>Some anons clam that Infernals and Solars were actually the most popular among furfags.
That means nothing. Furfags always latch onto whatever is most popular and shit it up with their fursonas, they're the lampreys of fandom.

>>98346560
>That means nothing
Kind of does, since it beat the allegations of 2e Infernals being unpopular, but it is another history.

>>98346658
I don't know about unpopular or not but people who played 2e infernals must have a big dick.

>>98346833
Not as big as mine.

>>98346658
>Unpopular
Really? I recall them being the singular most popular splat in the game, bar none. Largely owing to the interesting charmset, the Devil-Tigers, and the fact that their charms worked right out the gate. I recall tales of people running splat restricted games where Infernals weren't allowed and they'd still get inundated with applications from people wanting to play their Infernal OC.

>>98346848
Ahh, so you're an infernal homebrewer.

>>98346658

Infernals were only unpopular among Sidereal fans, which was kind of the cult on rpg.net back in the day.

>>98346988
There's a revisionist movement about how nobody liked Infernals and their charms, and how nobody used their mote esoteric charms preferring the mote "standard" ones.

>>98347010
They were like the cool new kid and they got a great splat in every edition they show up in. I don't even mind the rape comic - it was a different time. It beats a shota fucking a robot at least.

>>98347062
Them getting what is likely the most put together charmset is mostly a consequence of the devs learning more as they go. Early splats, Solars first and foremost, Always have the worst splat in any edition and in Ex3 there's still no errata on the horizon ten years on.

>>98346658
The general view is that 2E Infernals were very popular, so beating a rarely made allegation about their unpopularity isn't very meaningful.

>>98346991
To be fair there are so many gaps in the game you have to homebrew something.
Just look at Ride for example.

>>98347006
I got the impression that the cultists were more Realm fans, than sidereal fans.

>>98347991
It is kind of important since there's a lot of gaslight going around.

>>98347062
>shota fucking a robot
wut

Are there ways to intercept secret messages such as Letter Within a Letter Technique or Hidden Petal Aria Method? Or are the secret communications fully safe from any other exalts or gods?

>>98348951
The general understanding is that it's possible, but takes specialized magic (charms, artifacts, spells). It's more clear in 3e because they have actual rules for it (Letter Within a Letter Technique for Solars explicitly calling out code-breaking magic, Enigma-Reading Eye for Dragonblood explicitly being code-breaking magic) and in Essence there is the Translation Crystal which breaks ciphers, and in 2e Sagacious Reading of Intent sees through both Hidden Petal Aria Method and Letter Within a Letter Technique.

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>>98348520
The machine spirit awards.

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>>98349526
Rewards? Whatever, it has boobs.

>>98349526
>>98349543
And that's how the Alchemicals enjoying their time.

>>98349778
Sadly, there's no "give the target wet dreams" Alchemical charm.

>>98349778
2e went hard. I still say the rape comic should have been a pregnant lady who really likes fucking demons or just a loli who's being extremely pampered. I don't care what anyone says, if this was true people would be defending it to this day. Instead we got what we got and I will never understand.

2e has weird sex stuff and tries to be as uncute and unsexy as possible, because of the time it was made. 3e just cuts out so much sexuality to make it more comfortable for people. I like both of these things. I'm going to be honest, I was trying to complain about something here but sorta realized while writing it that I enjoy what both of these games are doing so whatever.

>>98349810
That's what the fanmade 3e Infernals book went with actually, making Lillun into Damien from The Omen.

>>98349834
If Lillun is a pregnant mommy then infernal players will want to protect her and play into that. If she's a child that's being protected and pampered then there will be infernal players who want to play into that. The hell is there to play into when she's just being raped all the time. Set her free? Congrats, you just fucked up your infernal exaltation and now Infernals are going to want to free her all the time. Join in? Congrats, there aren't many options there.

It was just the more boring choice to make and they made it.

>>98349849
>It was just the more edgy choice to make and they made it.
FTFY, but you are right otherwise, the devs didn't learn from Abyssals and tripled down with Infernals.

>>98349981
I thought that as well and I don't disagree but I've been thinking about it for a bit. There aren't really any possible plot hooks or options for Lillun the way she is in 2e. I mean, you can set her free or help keep her trapped and that's... basically it? I don't know, just thinking about something that doesn't matter anymore.

>>98350058
It is like those bait streamers, beyond the shock value, there's nothing.

>>98328037
Texturized pneumatic Alchemical pussy.

>>98353684
Vibrate function.

>>98353799
Aphrodisiac thermal paste.

>>98350472
I'm sure there are some ways to flesh her out in a chronicle but... Why would you?

>>98354161
If you flesh her out, you as well, would be creating a new character whole cloth.

>>98354289
Fair enough

>>98353684
>>98353799
>>98353855
*AHEM*

Thousandfold Courtesan Calculations. That is all.

>>98354289
Yup and I've tried thinking about it. If you do X then nope, it's just a set her free from her torture arc. If you do Y nope it's just a you're letting her get raped arc. It's devoid of anything to actually use and actively distracts and forces a duality on you the player.

so everyone just ignores it.

>>98328037
Weekly Update
>First Draft
Infernals Companion (Exalted)
While Infernals gets art notes, the stretch goal book for Infernals is off to first drafts!
>Final Draft
Essence Enhanced (was Extended)
Another Exalted stretch goal book moves ahead. This one was for the Essence Player’s Guide campaign, and it’s at final drafts as well
>Art Direction
Infernals – Art buy configured
>Layout
Essence PG – Layout starts this week… last week got sidetracked by crowdfunding
>Press
Alchemicals – Page XXs
some good progress here and there this week, though it seems the liminals crowdfund may be even further out as they plan a jadestorm campaign for earthbane
in sales shit news dtrpg and derivatives are doing a christmas in july sale with exalted books included

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What editions allow for mortal sorcerers to be a thing?

>>98356856
All.

>>98356856
dont remember 1st ed, dont care about 3rd ed.

in second edition, it is totally possible but require exceptional will/effort.

>>98349802
no because inducing teen boners is demonstrably a 3rd circle power

>>98354986
Well, there is one thing you can do with Lillun that is a huge power move and worthy of a story, and neither frees her or letting her get raped. It's even something that's relevant to Infernals/Malfeas that you couldn't do with any other Exalt type other than maybe Abyssals (but they're split all over the place so it wouldn't work with them really).

Kidnap Lillun. Enslave Lillun. Hunt down and kill Infernals to make their next incarnations yours. Hijack the Reclamation.

>>98349526
>>98349543
>>98349778
>kadmek
>yes, what is it ku? i'm very busy
>i have a missive from the core about you
>word of the great maker? for me?
>about you. your motives are in question
>ever have i been faithful to the great plan. what cause has our maker to doubt me
>he has seen the dreams
>what dreams?
>the ones from the souls
>what about them? often i commune with the faithful to build a more ordered society
>what part of that is the sex fantasies?
>pardon?
>in the last 3 centuries alone sex fantasies have increased among the souls communing with you by 500%
>tha-uh that that's motivation!
>motivation
>yes it is, ku! to bolster the-uh their spirits during their long labors
>ah. why are so many of the recipients pubescent or younger?
>to sti-stimulate their grow- their healthy development of course
>and you could not leave this to noi and runel why?
>they were otherwise engaged
>were they?
>yes
>each and every time they were -
>do i need special permission for how to commune with the humans to advance civilization, ku? i think not
>hm. and why do your communions exclusively feature the most well endowed schematics for alchemicals?
>fu-for theiy their uh morale an-and to foster a patriotic recognition and pride! truly!
>i see. well the core conveys you reduce your communions and their evocative displays before your flock's enthusiasm results in erections jamming conveyor belts throughout the octet