To the Ven densts, edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>98319061>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/https://lordbaconbane.github.io/aoswarscrollcreator/>4e Booksgofile.io/d/JXpc9g>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator (old):https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>TQWho is the most /FA/ among the mortal realms?
Sigmar more like nigmar
>TQ: Ogor Mogtribes
>>98329797>tqThe humble stabbaLoonwear is in this season
>>98329829BY SIGMAR! YEETIES!
>TQThe icon himself
>>98329797Fatcasts on top
Is there a chance we can see his model return with holds? Even as a MTO?
>>98328975>isn't it what GW is planning to do for TLW per the latest rumors ?Iirc the latest we know about stormcast is that they're going to be mortal again, but with some ability to pass on their memories and powers to whoever inherits their essence (read: geneseed) thus making them eternal again, in a sense.
>>98329949I can't see why not, he is prominent in AoS lore
>>98329876100(underscored) Lit
>>98329961Why would they need to be anything but immortal? Just because Sigmar is dead doesn't mean the other gods that forge the Stormcast are. Including Heldenhammer there's like 8 of the motherfuckers. Besides how would Sigmar even die? What you going to do become incorporeal, fight Nagash, then coalesce again? It's not like he hasn't been dead before.
>>98330128Because it makes them more like Space Marines.
>>98330128>the other gods that forge the Stormcast are.there are no other gods that forge stormcasts, it's all sigmar juiceyou're thinking soulbound
>>9833012810 years of secondaries complaining there's no "stakes" it stormies can die, that's why anon.>>98330162Grungni's demigod children are involved in the process aren't they? The six smiths.
>>98329949It's widely available? No, though, it will get a new model if anything
>>98330162https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Reforging>Reforging is inspired by the cycle of constant reincarnation of Dracothion's children. Sigmar and Grungni devised a process to create armies of virtually immortal humans. Sigmar plucks brave heroes from the Mortal Realms using bolts of lightning. The soul of a hero, chosen to become a Stormcast Eternal, is transported to the Heldenhall and there it feasts for three days, building its strength for the trials ahead. Following these three days, it makes its way to the Chamber of the Broken World. First the raw soul-stuff is literally molten and reforged in the Forge Eternal by the Six Smiths, making it ready for rebirth. If it survives, the soul is sifted upwards into the Cairns of Tempering, where it's given the Gift of the Gods and must endure seven times seven trials. These trials were originally devised by Grungni with the aid of Sigmar and now their nature is a mistery to everyone but the two gods and the Six Smiths. If the soul completes his trials, it's ready to be made flesh and blood once more. Upon the Anvil of Apotheosis they're broken down and rebuilt by the shock waves and the blessings of the World Hammer. From a seed of starlight and lightning sprouts a web of veins and nerve endings, then bones and finally every other organ. The new Stormcast Eternals awakens with a new body imbued with the energies of Azyr and a shard of Sigmar's divine essence.The six smiths and Grungi can do all of this without Sigmar, they'll just not have that shard of Sigmar's essence.
>>98330171the six smiths work the sigmar juice, they don't use their own juice, or any other god's juice
>>98330177>they'll just not have that shard of Sigmar's essence.It sounds like a pretty fundamental component.
>>98330191>>98330199Would siggy dying stop his essence from being used by the stormies? I thought the whole deal was that rather than being only confined to a single battlefield at the time, by spreading out his power amongst the stormcast he was able to affect more theatres
>>98330199For their power, maybe. But not for their immortality or their reforging.>>98330206That's a good point. Why not use Sigmar Shards as power? Hell, strap it to the STEs like batteries. I'll also raise another point: isn't all necromancy tied to Nagash? And he's dead. His spirit is still around and it inhabits his old body but he's very much dead. And he's still extremely powerful, being the god of death in AoS. Once again, just because Sigmar's body dies and doesn't mean he will.
>>98330206I'm assuming the energy he's already spread stays spread, so the stormcasts that currently exist keep existing and keep working, but they can't make new stormcasts because sigmar isn't around to source sigmar's essence anew.so stormcasts wouldn't be able to grow in numbers but can only recycle themselves or pass down the mantle to a new member at the expense of an old member.
>>98330215>isn't all necromancy tied to Nagash? no >And he's dead.he's not dead, he's death, it doesn't matter
>>98330215There's another thing that I want to mention in regards to this: Grimnir. He is very much dead and his body has been scattered into ur-gold. But he can still talk to Gotrek just fine.
>>98330215There's that one underworlds warband where he raises the dead using electricity and shit and it pisses off other undead because it's not really the same thing as regular necromancy.>>98330216Yeah I think they'll have a passing the mantle thing going on in TLW
>>98330249Oh yeah today is ogre day right? I wonder if they're showing any of the new stuff
>>98330259That would be a good idea, so probably no
>>98330215SCE souls to to nothingness, an oblivion. Nagash isn't mad because his due is withheld for a century, he's mad his due is gone entirely. The death of gods is ambiguous but Nagash is vulnerable to a true death and suffered greatly trying to evade it once in 1st edition. Nagash is not the master of death nor the master of Shyish. He never consumed all the death gods nor conquered their realms in Shyish. You can only point to Fyreslayers' belief Grimnir lives which is based on only hope.
>>98330271I will not hear this anti-Nagash propaganda.
>>98330266>inb4 they show none of the old art and it’s just a bunch of new ogor art
>>98330305>And it's all AI generated
>>98330308Nah that’s just an issue with marines
>>98330309So far
>>98330271>Nagash isn't mad because his due is withheld for a centuryhe would be mad for that too
>>98330259I'm expecting to see a new artwork with the new centerpiece and >*nudge nudge, wink wink* come back monday ;^)
>>98330303>1st edition >Morrda >Duardin afterlife Cope. At the zenith of his power Nagash stole a Stormcast soul back, but when that champion died it was still sent to oblivion.
>>98330309Remember only few months ago when GW said tgey arecagainst using AI?
>>98330358I know what you're trying to do is steal my reaction images and I'm going to stop responding to you after this.
>>98330305I'd respect that
>>98330414Funny how the rider looks more savage than the mount
>>98330440>"WARRGHARHAHARRRRRRR!!!">"Eh, it's a living."
>>98330440If you get locked in a cage with 1, you're more likely to survive the naked hyena
>>98330444>Let's stab da humies!>I miss my cubs
>>98330367>1st edition core book >Mortarch of Night, Lord of Death, Prisoner of the Black Sun, Nagash the Undying King>Soul Wars >Grombrindal: Chronicles of the Wanderer>Skaventide novel + SCE battletome Idk man, you have to have only gotten your understanding of the setting from YouTube or something to disagree.
>another player dropped out of the slow grow >week ago organizer sperged in reaction and killed the slow grow together That’s it. Other than spearhead there is no more AoS being played in my city regularly. 4.0 has been a disaster locally
>>98330471Well maybe it'll pick back up with 5e next year.
Since a standalone army of evil goat men is verboten in AoS, there's an opportunity to instead pivot to an army of khajiit.
>>98330501TOW already has that retard
>>98330471Sounds like your sperg organizer plays thebiggest role here
>>98330501no, there isn't
>>98330501As much as cat girls are cute I feel like both 40k and tww have that locked down. Wouldn’t mind some bunny beastmen though, lots of potential there.
>>98330501Tow has already laid claim to catgirl furries.Jokes aside should beastmen ever come back I hope they'd get more diverse animals to draw from. Only goats (plus token cows) is immensely boring.
>>98330592They had the occasion to do one different animal for every god-aligned beastmen unit and they wasted it, so they're never touching the idea of beastmen of various types, if anything they'll double down on goats being the goats and morghur.
>>98330592>Camel man
>>98330501Sorry anon Tigermen are a Fantasy thing and the latest thing to get a TWW release
>>98330618>camelmen>every unit within 5 inch takes 1 wound per turn from breathing their immense 2nd hand cigarette smoke
>>98330602as much as I like tzaangors and slaangors it is a shame they were still goat/goat hybrids. I kinda clock slaangors as cowlike but they are still just goats.
>>98330640Slaangors are 100% minotaurs
>>98330471Same. We had a strong PtG league in Jan/Feb but everyone dropped out over time, which is fair because 4th is anti-narrative fun We only get a few people who play 40k but sometimes swap to AoS for a day at most. Spearhead is really healthy though, lots of pick up games, newbs, and hobbying sessions. 4th just feels really terrible to me with the once per army, once per game, regiment restrictions, battle tactics, etc. If it's just going to be a board game I'll play the more concise board game that's better designed with drawn battle tactics and twists? AoS is just a feel bad experience
>>98330649They're manlets. They're gor height. Though I do agree they've got more bull-like features in the face
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/f7ho93kz/warhammer-art-through-the-years-idoneth-deepkin/No Ogors today
>>98330688HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>98330688>Follow the Akhelians on a soulraid and learn more about Idoneth culture in the free short storyThe Reaping, and then join us next week to feast on the best Ogor Mawtribes artworkKek they just rain checked on the ogres. The lumineth article from last week said the same thing lol
>>98330618>camel man>literally just a nafri
>>98330688
>>98330688lmao
>>98330683>AoS is just a feels bad experience As this edition drags on it really does seem to be this. I often wonder what I’m even doing here if in my city if 2 million people only spearhead is played with any regularity. Tow has regular tournaments and AoS doesn’t here. If you told me it was going to be like this 2-3 years ago I would have laughed in your face.
>>98330688Real question, did they genuinely forgot about idk? did they do this skit of forgetting about idoneth on purpose? or did they realise the ogre art would give away their last reveals for them?
>>98330783I think the ogor spoilers drag out longer than intern was told and the fast farwarded the deepking article form next week
>>98330777Yeah same at my LGS. A lot of people said now that real Warhammer Fantasy is back they don’t have to cope with AoS. And the TOW league is the most popular at the store with a lot of new players.
>>98330688I like the pictures and all, but God those articles are painfully low effort
>>98330777>>98330793funny you say that, all 3 stores in my city literally never play tow
>>98330688I do actually like how they used aspect of the sea/storm in the art.
>>98330805>>98330702> GW doesn't use AI we SWEAR!!!These articles could have fooled me
>>98330847AI would have time and effort to write a paragraph to each featured picture
>>98330810TOW is for Warhammer players only and in the absence of WHFB most people played something else. It's a big ask to invite people back, rebase, etc for a game that I haven't heard any buzz about? The only people into it are newbies and the existing rank players have said the ruleset needs polished or something
>>98330783I think it was more like>alright ogre article goes up this friday>wait a minute we have the reveal left on monday>can't take out the art with the hippo because we'll have no new art and what would even be the point>uhhh fuck just do it next week and shit out an idoneth articleThere's also like 7 pieces when usually there's about double that, clearly a rush-job (and these articles are already quite low effort)
>>98330859Why would anyone want to read slop? The pictures speak for themselves if they're not going to interview artists about them
Wave 2 will surely be Yhetees, Hunter hero, and Stonehorns with Braggoth, right?
>>98330874No
>>98330874Hunters? Sure, personally I don’t see yetis staying core. They might just get some new form of elemental instead.
>>98330688>IDK have so little art they could barely muster up 8 pieces>And one of them is one of those highly incomplete “impressionist” vignettes that’s a mess of digital brushstrokesC’mon, now.
>>98330874>Wave 2lol
>>98330894All those showcases have only a handful of pictures
>>98330702They probably intended it to be AoS but switched it to the 40k starter set
>>98330912All but IDK and Khorne have at least 10. Interestingly enough, Sylvaneth and Stormcast tied for the most pieces in an article at 19. Granted, IDK is featured in other armies’ arts like DoK so that could have taken away from the total of pieces to be featured in their own article, there is still a woeful amount of IDK specific art.
The warhammer instagram has been posting a lot of IDK stuff recently and asking people what models they want to see. Maybe they'll get some for end of edition?
>>98330950Almost certainly not. It’s just the subject of the daily engagement post because in our current digital hellscape not posting at least once a day relegates your account to obscurity. I don’t think I saw them asking about models, either.
>>98330950Definitely not, it's just the weekly stuff they do for random factions.
>>98330874We're supposedly getting maneaters soon™, so if they get a genuine "wave 2" it'll be that. Though more likely it'll just be a pity unit like DoK's blood hags
>>98330953>>98330958
>>98330982>asking retards on social media
>>98330982Ah, I stand corrected. Though I wouldn’t put much stock in the generic pleasantries of a comment section having much influence on the design and production pipeline.
>>98330631i really hope the tiger men end up being troll/ushabti sized on 40mm+ bases. cathay desperately needs something between 25mm base humans and 150mm base constructs and dragons. that whole army is either single wound human chumps or literally the biggest models in the game with no inbetween
>>98331015I had assumed they would be, but the Tigermen are actually a human sized unit in Total War Warhammer. Just slightly burlier than usual elite infantry, basically. Maybe the monkeys are planned to be bigger, IDK.
>>98331015Tigermen are already confirmed to be the size of chaos warriors/lizardmen.For monstrous infantry cathay is getting ogres, at least in tww.
>>98330950despite all the shit we know and have known for all the refreshes and waves and shit this edition, the end of edition is still a genuine free for all
>>98331133Erm, bro. Your guaranteed stormcast? Curious if they’ll turn dawnbringer boxes into spearheads though.
>>98330640tzaangors are more bird than goata shame that pestigors were just diseased goats without an hint of fly/maggot
>>98331143Which long forgotten named character will it be this time?Can Hamilcar finally get a model?
>>98331176It’s probably Vandus
Do you think some AoS armies could be squatted/retconned out of existence for TLW ?Which do you think are the most likely to go ? (other than Fyreslayers)
>>98331176Malerion, trust the plan.
>>98331193Vandus already has a model...
>>98331143fair enough but eh even then it's mostly limited.1e had the lord ordinator2e had gardus3e had ionusI can live with 1 random stormie character at the end of edition. It's not 40k where they're over half the releases
>>98331176It would make sense for the mortal realms to start with vandus and khul, and end with vandus and khulalso the rumored plotline involves dwarfs and lizards going on the offensive and then getting pushed back by skaven, so skaven may get something, and pestilens is the last thing they would need to address with themand finally there is slaanesh breaking out, now slaanesh's range is in a relatively good spot, but slaanesh getting out is bad news for elves, so I say we are definitely going to see tyrion and/or malerion, at lastalthough it would be funny if shadow elves skip the entirety of the mortal realms arc
>>98331195No, we're not seeing significant restructuring aside from fatcasts disappearing and the souping of dwarfs.At worst I can somewhat imagine GW using the new status quo to put another nail in the coffin of demons and reduce their kits further, but I don't think they have real reasons to do that.
>>98331201
>>98331195>Do you think some AoS armies could be squatted/retconned out of existence for TLW ?no>Which do you think are the most likely to go ? (other than Fyreslayers)Fyreslayers and DoK are both getting souped with Khazalids and Ulgurothi for sureOther than that if just for the sake of argument I had to pick a tome most likely to disappear it'd probably be sons of behemat. Just throw em into ogres or something
>>98331015I hope so too but only because then they will be dogshit like all monstrous infantry other than Bowshabti and maybe Treekin and I’ll never have to see them irl at the tables. Cathay should stay a somewhat grounded fantasy China. I don’t want furry men.
>>98331216GW can't do that to demons, they're central players of the setting
>>98331221>grounded fantasyyou are the cancer killing the game. if you want a historical go play a fucking historical.
No way anyone legit takes the bait. It's just 1 guy talking to himself
>>98331236
>>98331256sometimes even bait can stimulate interesting discussion
>>98331241Uh? Have you looked at Cathay sales? Have you looked at The Last World? Clearly this out there fantasy bullshit isn’t what people want. Cathay sold well because it was as a mix of historical, cultural and fantasy elements. The Last World is coming because GW focus groups led to them believing that a gritty grimdark more grounded setting will sell better than the current wishy washy Norse DEI mythology bullshit AoS has going on.
Trying too hard
>>98331236TOW doesn't have demons, they only need to phrase it as a time of peace. I think we're just going to see AoS exclusive Daemons. The UW stuff is a solid start and after all they're subfactions within Mortal armies so it's no big deal to drop them and slowly release something more refined.
>>98331294GW want BG3 and Witcher licensing money. BG3 and Witcher are woke. It's only going to get worse even if everything is logically on a single map plane
>>98331296I retract my statement, sometimes bait is just bait
>>98331052Thinking about it, Tigerman really did end up being just order Beastmen.>Hard hitting light infantry>Focus on aggressive tactics and ambushes>Main advantage over human infantry is speedI do still think the monkeys might be more the ogre equivalent though. I remember the flavor text in game talking about them straight ripping peoples heads off and shit.
>>98331256what posts are you talking about ?
>>98331323Demon models and special characters have always been shared between fantasy/AoS and 40kAs late as 2021 when they released Be'lakor, it was for both 40k and AoS both in rules and in lore, with a different model stand for each gameIt would makes no sense for GW to release separate demon lines for different games However knowing how retarded GW has been lately, I can actually imagine them doing just thatSeriously what makes the suits so anal about having models shared between the different games ?
>>98331476>he said as GW released another AoS exclusive demon and removed 40k from all demon box desings
I hope the battletome lore writers get the chance to write more about faction societies one day. Reading “the factions nounverbers fought valiantly and defeated their foe.” worded differently 2-3 times gets kinda tiring and I’d like to know what else people do besides fight or prepare to fight. I know AoS’s thing is to be nebulous about as much as possible, but come on, what they fighting for shouldn’t be a huge mystery, too.
>>98331490I wasn't even aware they've been doing thisSo Be'lakor is an AoS exclusive now ?I knew that they tried to make an Horus Heresy exclusive demon line with Samus and the Ruinstorm things but I had no idea that this was their long term strategy for all the gamesif this is true, then that sucks because in a way it makes all their settings feel less organicChaos, especially the gods and daemons have always been the unifying thread between all their universes (including Blood Bowl)I know they've tried to reduce the lore links between 40k and fantasy for a long time and to make it appear that they don't share the same universe (though they may share the same multiverse)still chaos and the warp always transcended the separation between the settings which I think gave an organic coherence to the GW brandI know that Chaos will always be a shared element but only in lore if this is really what they've been planning and somehow it feels like they're getting away from the spirit of the origins of both whfb and wh40k back in the 80s when Slaves to Darkness and The Lost and the Damned got released
>>98331519Demons still have 40k indexes, but all their boxes look like this
>>98331525You can just google "[demon name] box"
>>98331519>So Be'lakor is an AoS exclusive now ?Belakor no, some slaanesh ones are tho
>>98331525Feels kind of odd to do at the same time they're making all of the 40k chaos flavoured marines their own codex. Seems like an easy way to pad those.
>>98331545And the new nurgle medium demons
>>98331545>>98331553if you're talking about UW demon warbands, then this is an understandable exceptionby the way, are the gaunt summoners an AoS exclusive or can they be used in 40k ?and Tzaangors aren't demons but they're shared by both games, aren't they ?it really feels like GW would be shooting itself in the foot by separating models by games in this way
>>98329809heyoooooo, got 'em!
>>98331567Gaunt Summoner is an AoS exclusive demon. twins re AoS exclusive demons. Cankerborn are AoS exclusive demons.
on the whfb general, they've been discussing the quality of recent TOW releases and in particular how some models feels off scale/cartoonishwhat AoS models do you guys think deserve the same criticism ? I'm talking about all the models released since the beginning of the game back in 2015for me, it would be the 2nd ed chaos warriors
But hay it's not all bad for 40keks. Thye get to have the totally iconic and super cool Vashtor as their exclusive.
>>98331581If anything i miss the more cartoonish, blocky artstyle, imo it makes for better miniatures, when they are used as miniatures and not as Instagram photography
>>98331580Is shalaxi in 40k?
>>98331614Has rules, like all gteater alt builds
>>98331581all stormcasts are bigger than they should be, and all fatcasts are proportioned like shitskeletons since cursed city are bigger than they should beall non-hero ossiarchs are ridiculously ill-proportionedblood warriors and the full kit for bloodreavers look like shitfyreslayer vulkites are posed like absolute fucking garbagegoregruntas, the pigs, look like shit and have stiff posesblood knights are more anemic than skeletonsbasic darkoath are an insult to all the warcry bands they replaced the new blightkings are a downgrade to their predecessors
>>98331628>the new blightkings are a downgrade to their predecessorswhat a retarded takeis it the bloated look that bothers you ? regardless, they're a massive improvement compared to the End Times era ones
>>98331645>is it the bloated look that bothers you ?no lack of options, lack of mutations, betrayal of the unit's concept from nurgle chosen to nurgle priests they could have been a new unit and I'd have had no problem with them, but instead they had to kill the gold standard for modern kits that is the true blightkings
>>98331645not the anon you're arguing with, but while i dont think the new blight kings are strictly worse aesthetically from the previous kit, there are some marked downgrades just as a plastic model kit, the new nurgle kits all around have significantly reduced customization and posability, and this doesnt stop at the blightkings but also infects the rotswords, the pestigors, and especially the sloven knights who are almost completely mono pose. modern GW is getting very restrictive and lazy with its ktis when it comes to options, posing, and customization. its very depressing
>>98331581My only issue is the abstract gamified scale of heroes. You don't just get tall Stormcast heroes, they're giants. You don't get a Blood Knight on zombie dragon you get a 15ft tall character on it. Even Skraggrot has to be human sized. Everything is an orc.
>>98329797Galen is so cool
>>98331628>skeletons since cursed city are bigger than they should bewhen I said off scale, I didn't simply meant that they aren't precisely up to the scale but I meant rather cartoon-like/ WoW style huge pauldrons, oversized head with exagerated facial features, etc...
>>98331666AoS works on ancient near eastern powerscaling. Big = Power
>>98331666skragrott even as big as he is, is still a head and a half shorter than a regular human
>>98331699>near eastern powerscalinghierarchical proportions have been a thing everywhere
>>98331701I suppose that's alright then
>>98331725where's the edit where it shows one grot holding up another on his back
>>98331645Its the lack of guts gore and proper rotten parts, they are just fat guys with acne
>>98331725I mean, he is THE boss of grots, and the bigger they are the higher they are in the hierarchy
>>98331744people expect it to be like pre 8th WHF where a grot lord was the same height as a regular grot it's a game. the important models are bigger for a good reason
>>98331750ushoran could have been smaller no problem
as a counter example, when it came to characters like the lord of blights and lord of plagues who were the exact same size as their respective unit, it often became difficult to tell them apart from just another member in the squad, especially the lord of plagues. if you did not play this army, at a glance could you tell me which of these 3 models is the 140pt character and which are the 2 40pt squad members?this is why i think its a good thing that character models be a bit more special and a bit larger. its important that they stand out. i also support tactical rocks and other base features like oathstones to make the character more prominent and unique
>>98331744do grots work on the same principle as orcs? never thought about that honestly
>>98331651I’m only going to chime in to say that the 2011 Dark Eldar range was the real gold standard that should’ve been followed, specifically any of the non-haemonculi stuff. Kitbashing with those sculpts is a dream because swapping arms, heads, torsos, and legs is nearly effortless while also still maintaining a good degree of dynamism in the sculpts.
>>98331764It was said that they didn't, once, and never again, but they certainly don't become monstrously huge, even if they get somewhat bigger.
Hook a degenerate fuck up with the slaanesh battletome please
>>98331786you're probably the only guy in this thread who plays slaanesh bro
So was there anything interesting from the Q&A today?
>>98331903Warcry rules on the way.
>>98329809More like sugmar dick
>>98331912So the game is dead then since they aren't making models for it then
>>98331912didn't they say that months and months ago?
>>983319192 more months. Trust the plan.
>>98331750I mean yeah, it is weird why they give him a 130 base when he's just a regular dude
>>98331666Isn't there some lore bit where he's fuckoff massive because he got blowed up so many times that there's nothing inside the armor but a storm and he's just a head.
>>98331593I don't get why /tg/ posters don't like VashtorrI thought everyone loved daemon engines and darkmech and such
>>98332007he's a shitty design
>>98332007New bad
>>98332007I don't got the hate either, I think his model is really cool
>>98330688Why the fuck didn't they include the fury of the deep box art?
>>98332065Because Fyreslayers have just as little art to choose from and they need to save that one for them.
>>98332065why does this guy look like he's taking the biggest dump of his life
>>98332114When you live in the sea, the pooping is free.
>>98332065Today's article was a slapchop
>>98332007because he's written to be just another cringe Chaos cartoon villain and the first thing he does is get stomped by Be'lakor
>>98332199Which is really bad for him since Be'lakor is a big jobber in 40k and basically irrelevant.
>>98332007I just dont like the direction 40k chaos has gone overall rather than the model itself. I honestly would have liked it better if it was smaller though.
>>98331918I mean yeah that's obvious
>>98329797>Who is the most /fa/ among the mortal realms?Lumineth Realm Lords, and it isn't even close.
Sounds like the iron blaster is in, man eaters are out (for now, IG) in the new ogor battletome
>>98332419I'm a little sad Firebelly is gone because that model was really really fucking cool even if it matched NOTHING in the army.
>>98332428Man eater fyre belly soonbut yeah there really was a huge opportunity to do something with that one aspect of ogres.
>>98332435I'm hoping if we do get maneaters it's in a much more varied form, having a full on custom squad with old blight kings tier customization would be great!
>country knocked out of the cupMiniatures for this feel bros?
>>98332479Ogres
>>98332485Genuinely tweaked for a second I thought that was from the fair at my city that was a few weeks ago but no it's from alameda
>>98332479Goblins
>>98332479>BelgiumIdoneth unironically
>>98332199I thought "cringe cartoon villain" was the direction that people wanted chaos to go in as opposed to this
>>98332007He's a lame failure
>>98332641they actually done and did him
>>98332007Overhyped by GW only to deliver basically nothing
>>98332114he's blind, and swinging in the wrong direction, they brought him for moral
>>98332641holy shit, I didn't know there was blance art for this guy! no wonder the model was so good and not just typical ai slop
>>98332612But doctor...I already play idoneth...
>>98332755Well than i'm realy good at this
>>98332720I think there's blanche art for a lot of the silver tower stuffBut yes he's great, easily the best darkoath mini
>>98332114He's behind me... Isn't he?
>>98332007Yeah, if I played chaos I'd be doing some lost and the damned style army of infernal engine devil machines gifted to barbarians
>>98332114I cant see shit.png
>>98330162>it's all sigmar juiceaka smegmar
Here's my hopes & dreams for Warcry:>New Box Set + Core Rules (add keywords to weapons, more universal abilities, buff boxed units so they're B tier at minimum, make every slow unit faster by 1-2 inches)>Rerelease of squatted warbands, even if for a limited run>Rerelease of older terrain setsHere's my realistic expectation>Rules for (almost) every model released since the last rules update>"Ok thank you warcry fans for your support bye"
Important Soulbound lore question: can you soulbind with a skaven, even unintentionally (they interfered with the soulbind ritual or w/e), or are all soulbindings grand order exclusive?
>>98333297My expectations after the ogor rules come out, maybe even after they finish all the battletomes:A single Warcom article titled "An Update on Warcry" announcing maintenance mode.
>>98333303Honestly, it might be cope, but i prefer when they introduce new stuff through this Maintanace mode, because instead of being a monobox faction, new units and models are added to already existing factions, so you are never in situation where your lizards can properly use the new chameleons, because of lacklaster ally system
>>98331195I believe they purposefully did all the bad news in 4e to avoid poisoning the launch for 5e.From this point forward, I would not be surprised to see IDK, KO, FEC & OBR slow squatted. In that I mean they'll be like fyreslayers in that their releases will be token and they'll eventually be rebranded and souped into the closest related faction, maybe they'll drop IDK entirely. It will be a decade+ of shit rules like the gitz spiders.OBR I don't think they know what to do with and will probably just fade over time or maybe they'll split vamps and deathrattle and integrate some of obr into the skeleton army until they slow squat them. I sincerely don't believe anyone on their design team has any level of enthusiasm for them.The factions that got a half wave but no big box feels more like they're just dumping their production pipeline before they move onto whatever is more pressing for them.
>>98333412> IDK, KO, FEC & OBRliterally all 4 of those armies got new model waves this edition. you're delusional if you think any of them are going anywhere
>>98333412Thanks bro, it's always good to know what the retard corner is thinking about future releases.
>>98333426>more than half the 2e starter box is gone for the game's flagship faction>my niche army is untouchable!
>>98333297I would hyper paypig for returning Warcry chaos cultists because neither the AoS nor TOW marauders do anything for me
>>98333731Trvth nvke Unmade, Corvus cabal, and cypher lords were too good.
>>98333738I have Cypher Lords, Tarantulos Brood, Iron Golems (double pack), and Horns of Hashut. I'd really like to get Splintered Fang if they ever become available again.
>>98333297I wish you worked at GW because Warcry is one of the best games and deserves to live
>>98333301You can, but idk if unitnentionally. All you need is a (free) soul
Anyone got Mawtribes new army book pdf to share?
>>98334057Trust me you don't want me on the Warcry team. I'd make the first boxed set come with a terrain set depicting an old Ulguothi village (not!japanese style with roofs you can hop onto and hazards including extra pointy training dummies, bamboo spike pits, and spears) and each consecutive set in the season has warbands venture deeper towards the temple in the center with lore explaining that the Shadow magic emanating from the center of the temple is causing the wibbly warps in space that got these warbands lost and fighting each other in the first place and the final set comes with a realmgate that leads to the next season in Hysh's deserts.
>>98334210Not out yet
>>98334238Pic related.Doesn't help my footy team is currently absolutely FLOGGING the opposition.
>>98330501>>98330589Yiff in hell, TOWfag.
>>98333297GW hired a new designer for a skirmish game. If it's not a new Warcry, radically so, it's Mordheim
>>98334338GW bringing in new desingers obviosuly means they're redoing a thing they already did instead of making a new thing
would be pretty funny if GW brings back the card game of warcry.
Ur-Gold is real
>>98334383I know what I must do now.
>>98333412Eh if they're giving fucking fyreslayers another chance I don't see them soft squatting any of these guys. I mean, OBR got a full on wave this edition. A small one sure, but bigger than the usual pity release. I guess technically the same could be said for idoneth but at least obr got aome actual units instead of heroes and a spell.Also what the hell is fec doing there? They're always punching way above their weight when it comes to popularity vs range size, those guys aren't going anywhere
Anybody here got the new cities book? What does it say about Zonn's weird creature mount, like what's his deal?
>>98334559why do you expect battletomes to have fluff and worldbuilding?
>>98334383I don't think that's the takeaway from this.
>>98334383Too soon?
Do we have any prediction of the base sizes and height of the models for the new ogre releases?
>>98334596Well, they at least give you a page per unit, usually
>>98334917Tyrant looks to be on 50, gluttons and ironguts on 40, I assume cleavers and hunters are the same
>>98333412There's no fucking way they squat FEC, they're literally the most popular Death army. You're insane
>>98334992they're the least popular death army, they're the concept people like the most, but not many people actually buy them, all other death armies have way more kits and/or were featured way more prominently one way or another sbgl are the most popular
>>98334992Nta but soulblight are like the 3rd or 4th most popular army in the game, they edge them out.Though FEC is probably the most popular army relative to range size, which is usually the most important factor. They overperform quite hard.Most underperforming army has to be slaanesh, while we're on the subject. They have a pretty sizeable range.
>the craplauncher is surviving for now
>>98335005There was a poll a few threads back and I think were pretty high up there. Like 6th over all
>>98333412I'm still not sure who IDK were meant to appeal to, or Fyreslayers for that matter
Finally read Realmslayer as my first AoS book, having finished the G&F books. I didn’t like it. It felt like Gotrek emerged into a commercial for AoS rather than AoS proper. Also not having Felix sucks.
>>98335227yeah the AoS Gotrek novels are complete and utter dogshit, don't even bother. Gotrek just spends all his time complaining about Duardin culture
>>98335227all his aos books are like that
>>98335227The latter half of gf books were kinda dogshit to begin with so I’m surprised now’s when you find that the quality dropped off. Personally I liked realm slayer.
>>98335234>Gotrek just spends all his time complaining about Duardin cultureAs he should. They're not proper Dawi and should all take the proper Slayer oath for their disgrace
>>98332007Warhammer fans are a victim to glup shitto syndrome
>>98335198>elves in cool armor on flying fish>Barbarian dwarvesYou just have a taste equivalent of a kid that refuses to eat anything thats not chicken nuggets
>>98335312Wouldn't Glup Shitters be into him?
>>98335323He’s a new guy instead of some random obscure character from an index campaign from 1992 that everybody hated at the time so no they despise him
>>98335234>>98335237Yeah, not gonna bother reading them I think >>98335255If you’re referring to the titles that lack the -slayer title, I agree. I skipped some of those
>>98335360I kinda forgot how many books bloated g&f, yeah city of the damned and serpent queen were kinda forgettable but beyond giant slayer is when I marked the series as overstaying its welcome, although even then I thought that skaven slayer was the best place to leave the series at.
>>98335198Me
Umbraneth when?Beasts of Chaos when?Helmsmiths second wave when?Idoneth models when????
>>98335424Nah man, if you stopped at Skavenslayer then you’d have missed out of Malakai n Snorri. Also the ending of Slayer is pure kino for me in spite of the end times
>>98333412>>98333426OBR did get their long awaited second wave and KO had a new unite of balloon pack fighters but FEC and IDK only had special characters which isn't a good sign for me
>>98335198Me. Atlantean elves are made for me, personally.
>>98335500FEC had their first actual wave at the tail end of last edition anon what are you on about
Are there any armies that haven't had a second wave yet? Or are we waiting on third waves now?
>>98335500BK, HS and DT also had only a special character per army this edition, yet nobody thinks that GW is gonna squat the god-aligned chaos armies
>>98335528Depends on what you call a wave I suppose. Was sylvaneth's update (lady of vines, gossamid archers, bug cavalry dual build) a wave? Was this edition's idk update a wave (pity hero + incarnate + named character)? Was KO (terrain + pity hero + dual build unit)?Regardless, there's still some armies that haven't gotten their second wave under any definition.
>>98335524true, they got an important release just before 4th ed rolled out in 2024, so one may consider that they're still high on GW's list of best selling armies but I was talking about that "falconer" special character which got released alongside their latest battletome in 2025
>>98335557Is this grok?
>>98335563I'm not an AI bot
>>98335557Well yeah, a pity hero release is completely par for the course, especially if they have just gotten a big release just the year beforeNo offense but are you new to this? I mean this genuinely, I'm not trying to be snarky or catty.
>>98335528Helsmiths. IDK. Seraphon. Nighthaunt.
I kinda hope Idoneth get a revamp or a large push forward lore wise, they’re really cool as a faction the lore, what they represent, the themes etc. but their current trajectory is going towards… I don’t even know at this point? Dark eleven without being evil assholes on purpose? I just want them out of morathis cuck chair
>>98335631city ogres and tribe ogres are more different than they're alike
>>98335198I love both armies, so me specifically.
>>98335645Yeah Tribal Ogor girls swallowAMIRITE FELLAS
>>98335622IDK have the same problem a lot of 1E new armies had, GW made them and pushed them out with zero follow-up plans, so they have to wait for their turn in line for GW to even start thinking about what they actually want to add to the army. With Fyreslayers getting their update this edition, it is pretty much down to IDK, KO, and DoK for 1st edition AoS original armies that haven't gotten a proper update yet.
>>98335685DoK and KO have plenty of models
>>98335701KO has 3 boats, 3 infantry units, one of which sucks ass, and a bunch of heroes.Also, they should divide Thidnerers into two units, Marines with 4 rifles and 1 special weapon, and Thunderers with 4 special weapons
>>98335676Heh heh, my man
>>98335701They've both gotten a single infantry unit and a couple of heroes over the course of the last three editions. Anyway you look at it they're after Fyreslayers, Khorne and Tzeentch for "longest wait for a 2nd wave"Also lets not pretend GW gives a shit about army size when release new models, they absolutely do not. The biggest and most bloated ranges consistently get the most new models across all of their games.
>>98335701The entire DoK range consists of>the shrine kit>the witch elf kit>snake women kit>bat women kit>morathi kit>recycled warcry warband>melusai ironscale (hero)>high gladiatrix (hero)>blood hagsThat is a grand total of nine (9) kits, two of which are heroes and one is a recycled warcry warband which barely fits the range. Now, to be fair, the shrine kit builds a fuckton of warscrolls so it's not *as* bad, but this is still a pretty slim range.Though, unlike other struggling ranges (idk, FS, ..) they only have two foot heroes (again not counting the shrine), which is pretty nice.oh yeah and endless spells and terrain but who gives a fuck
>>98335631its kind of funny how, out of all of the age of sigmar era plastic ogre variations, the new refresh ended up looking like absolutely none of them
>>98334352>radically different Warcry just means AoS Skirmish game as Mordheim means WHF skirmish
Feels weird and slightly wrong to admit I like the Vanguard Raptors, even as an Anon.
>>98335772>>98335772you forgot about Krethusa.
>>98335841The crossbolters are not my thing, but other than that they're cool.I wonder if they'll get the thunderstrike treatment for 5th>>98335856True enough
>>98333412>>98333426>>98335709aren't KO on their way to be souped with Fireslayers and the new not Dwarfen Holds per the latest rumors ?aren't they gonna lose some of their kits when this happens ?
>>98335907No retard. What 3rd world shithole spawns posters this dumb?
>>98335645The city ogre novel is a good laugh because a chunk is dedicated to a "I'm just as hard as them", except city ogres are giants by comparison
>>98335907Nope. Fyreslayers will get souped with the new khazalid more generic dwarfs, and lose some kits in the process (but also gain new fyreslayer-specific ones).KO will continue being their own thing. They already had a tome this edition.
>>98335988Honestly, with the Rumor engine clearly being in the style of Vulkyn Flameseekers warband, i wouldnt be surprised that its not Slayers X Generic dwarfs, and more of a Generic dwarf units but in Flameseeker style, so same shit but not naked
>>98335907no KO are staying their own thingfyreslayers are quite possibly not even getting souped at all but rather expanded. the dispossessed were deleted, and they are rumored to be in some way incorporated into fyreslayers as a reimagining of the khazalid empire which fell millennia ago, but weather that actually looks like dispossessed or like something more in synch with fyreslayers remains to be seen. as we've seen with the new chorfs and ogres, sometimes GW hems close to existing designs and sometimes they iterate into something new so it may end up just being a completely new dwarven aesthetic as opposed to copying the old whfb models that made up the dispossessedbut in either case i dont think anyone is expecting KO to get dragged along into this venture
>>98336010We don't really know much about the dwarf release compared to nurgle, cos, and ogres, where we know basically the whole roster beforehand.One of the rumourmongers posted picrel when asked about the new dorf aesthetic, so presumable they'll be pretty classic looking unfortunately
>>98336010>black skinned dwarf with orange beard
>>98336010>with the Rumor enginewhich one
>>98336059They fyreslayer in a skirt made of the same black scales they used for hero capes since 1e
>>98336056The beards are dyed lorelet
Any chance they follow up with a second wave in 5th, like how the 40k dorfs got back to back edition releases?Perhaps even an end of edition hero?
>>98336371A mounted war despot or priest would be neat.
>>98336371I have no idea. Maybe, maybe not.
>>98336409A mounted warrior-priest you say...?
>>98336422He's not coming back. He's to the HoH what Skalok & Vorgaroth are to the BoK.
>>98335772I like the utility of dual build kits from a hobby perspective, but also because they let GW expand ranges that desperately need it for minimal cost. That's partly why I fucking despise the blood hags. Blood hags should have been a dual build kit, like every other unit kit in DoK, but instead, GW just gave up and rushed them out the door. Doesn't help that they're also one of, if not the most, clothed and armoured unit in the range - in the fucking faction where not wearing shit is a display of skill and piety...
>>98336371They've already teased a few things that might come in a new wave, haven't they? There was an allusion to Lammasus, a direct mention of Siege Gargants, and I think there was something else that I've forgotten.
>>98336495I remember now: Hellcannon
When will cities get more religious stuff in their range
>>98336502Religion is gay, I'm afraid.
>>98336502They just got the priest guy
>>98336502Hopefully next time, it feels odd that Zenestra and the forgepriest don't have flagellants to lead
>>98336466Vorgaroth was at least part of BoK. The legion of azgorh might as well have never existed to gw
>>98329809
>more TOW discussion than AoS discussionIt's never been more over
>>98336543I wonder if they’ll be like the underworlds warband, always thought those dudes were really cool. Speaking if it’s a bit of a shame how underworlds hasn’t really been innovative lately, I liked the lumineth warband, and I guess the plauge demons were a fine revisit on how demons can be approached, but still nothing like whatUW has seen in the past.
>>98331666You wanted nu-40k-ified Fantasy, this is it. Enjoy your primarch.
>>98336601There’s actually been more 40k discussion than fantasy or tow discussion really.
>>98336602I'd be really happy if they were like that warband, I loved those freaks
>>98336371Effortless mog
>>98336502Thunder guys coming back soon
>>98336495>a direct mention of Siege GargantsChorf gargants have been mentioned since 2e back when... was Ur Zhorn the sea one? When that one was intriduced
>>98336601>>98336618The fuck are you two even talking about
>>98336728Ignore
>>98336602It also seems like we are getting less warbands than we used to. I wonder if we are getting a new Ogor warband and if old ones are usable
>>98336728Vaginataur
>>98336738Supposedly there are like 8-9 underworld warbands left to be put out before a new edition/revamp to be put out.
>>98336681Zharr Vyxa
>>98336371Sovl >>98336640Sovlless
>>98336728Scroll up lil nigga
>>98336844>barely any mention of TOW>some retard saying it's overYou OK, anon? Are you hallucinating right now?
>>98336750Well, that might be 2 years, if the pace stays the same. Any guesses what will.it be? Another grots, probably
>>98336876Any army that just got a major update is a strong candidate, otherwise, yeah, 5 more grot/Vampire warbands, as is UW tradition.
>>98336876>>98336887Maybe second HoH and FS, they are the only one with single unit. Also Ogors won't have anything matching the aesthetic
>>98336844? There's literally nothing >>98336876CoS, nu-ogres, khazalidsI'm hoping for root kings and something like picrel There's also still a couple of factions with only 1 warband. KO comes to mind
>>98336907So I would say HoH, Ogors, Grots, Vampires, FS, SCE, SoB somehow and STD
>>98336921Oh right, so every dwarf faction has one
Oh right sylvaneth is rumored to get something for underworlds soon. This time with normal trees
>>98336974Oh yeah I forgot. So like, does that mean dryads or treekin (kurnoth hunter)?
>>98336974I would love sprites but dryads would be good
>>98336519If it was gay wouldn’t James be chomping at the bit to add it then?
>>98336974>This time with normal treesWhat if it's a gag team and they literally are just normal trees and they each get a single attack per game where they fall over
>>98336876FEC foot knightsKruleboyz saboteursOgor Firebelly Maneater
>>98336921why does slansesh and nurgle always get more love than khorne / tseentch in AoS? Nurgle is already double-dipping in 40k with how much DG get.
>>98337312khorne already had its time with aos 1e, the same can kinda be said for tzeentch with silver tower.
>>98337312Doesn't Khorne have more warbands than any other god?
>>98336921>>98337312Beasts of Chaos should still be a thing but using the existing tzaan/slaan/pesti models and adding a new khornegor with big tits for age of sigmar.
>>98337506It'd help to just throw then in BoC as well as Tzaangors once were, then you just need a small Gavespawn release for a full army.
>>98337342it becomes more noticeable in 40k>Death Guardplague marines (melee), ranged, there are something like 4 different unique 'plague marine' kits- collect them all!deathshroud terminatorsblightlord terminatorsmany sloppity bilepipers and multiple lord typesseveral unique vehicles>Emperor's childrenWere just released 1 year ago while DG was released in 2017, but they have-tormentors-infrctors-flawless blades-noise boys-multiple lord types-room for a Second Wave that mentions doom sirens on rhinos and landraiders and sonic helbrutesboth ranges make heavy use of Chaos Marines, plague zombies are a minor chaff unit for specific builds for death guard while the marines and their pooptank and shartdrone are clearly dominant. DG has had a lot of time to get releases unlike EC but EC is satisfying because no time is wasted by adding dumb units like "sexy sex cultists" or "random mutant we tacked on from age of sigmar (slaangors)"Compare this to Thousand Sons>rubrics>rubric terminatorsAnd wallah!besides character models like exalted sorcerors and dark masters, most of the thousand sons roster is recyled models from other ranges like the Vortex Beast or tzaangor swarms, they're also the oldest Deity Legion and the worst in terms of updates going back to 2016, Magnus comes off as a lame and gay version of Beast from X-Men.>World EatersThe most fucked of the deity legions, they didn't even get their Red Butcher terminators. GW released new stuff for them and it was all eightboound "possessed" and cultists like the jakhals and goremongers. The Invocatus kit is cool because it's dual use but there is no 'lord on foot- which could easily be made from the extra lord in the kit. They are missing berzerkers who use jump packs and heavy weapons. Berzerkers are one note. The Master of Executions and Lord of skulls- the "khorne vehicle" is reused from CSM. Just a disappointing force in general, zero effort.
>>98336371It's not as though they lack for ideas to draw from, it comes down to whether Chorfs sold enough to justify an immediate follow-up or if they'd rather refresh another faction that needs it.
>>98337590Also there is lowkey thsi weird hostility from GW towards the playerbases of TS and WE. Both fanbases have expressed disappointment that the focus is on shit like tzaangors or khorne cultists, so GW seems to have doubled down on those subfactions instead of giving the marines- the main body of the army- their rightful focus as a 'fuck you, THIS is corporate's vision'. It is possible to run a whole WE army with only cultists and TS with only Tzaangors, which is stupid.By comparison the EC had a huge amount of work put into making them about marines and only marines, marines out the wazoo, so you know this is a chaos marine army. DG is the same, and plague zombies is a funny build, both armies are respectable marines instead of meme joke visions of cultists and mutants- a niche which should have been reserved for a hypothetical "lost and the damned" army of mortal cults and traitor guardsmen/mutant uprisings.
>>98336887>>98336876More grots but NOT spiderfang of course
>>98337600Don’t forget that weird ass robot for thousand sons
>>98337596>it comes down to whether Chorfs sold enough to justify an immediate follow-upNot even that, if Chorfs get new models within the next two years or so that was just a planned 2nd wave. Otherwise you end up in IDK territory, where GW waits a few years before scheduling a meeting to maybe think about what they would want to add to IDK in another couple of years, maybe, if someone has a convincing expansion proposal.
How do I get started with these niggas? Is the spearhead any good? They seem like an army where you buy a hero, paint it and determine if you want to kill yourself first. I was interested in the light of Eltharion model since it's awesome, not sure if it's any good on the table.
>>98337975>I was interested in the light of Eltharion model since it's awesome, not sure if it's any good on the table.Brother. Do I have news for you. He is incredible on the table. To the point where he's only been nerfed and they made his instant transmission cost a command point.
>>98337975The army in general is pretty amazing rule wise, you really cant go wrong with how you build your army, but I would advise for you to buy a kit or two from their range first and see if you like building/ painting them first. If you feel comfy with that, maybe advance to the spearhead(s), and see how they play from there?
Warhammer Q&A said Warcry isn't dead just yet
Have to say I kinda like how the new starters are for 40k. Kinda wish Aos followed that pattern in the start of 4th edition but I might finally buy into a starter set if 5th has the same combo deal.Just really fuckin hope it’s not actually slaves to darkness in 5th for the starter.
>>98337975LoE is 300+pts and WILL rape anything he decides to.
>>98337312I think nurgle just is more fun for the sculptors. Also idk about AoS but nurgle in 40k is/was basically one sculptor's mega passion project that the higher ups liked enough to just roll with.And khorne got a shit ton of stuff in AoS, it all just happened in the first few months of the game's release so it looks shit because it had that weird end times design language.I would say tzeentch is the most fucked across both systems>>98337506Give slaanesh centigors and khorne minotaurs while we're at it.Then make a morghur in the process of being reborn miniature for StD, and voila you've got a pseudo BoC army in the form of an army of renown like belakors. Throw in the raptoryx, warhounds, sphiranx, ... that sort of stuff.
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