>What is /awg/?A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre. Let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.>Examples of games that qualify.A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,Deadzone, Dragon Rampant, Dropfleet & Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Full Spectrum Dominance, Gaslands,HeroClix, Kings of War, Lords & Legends, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,Oathmark, OnePageRules, Open Combat, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, SAGA, Sahipkıran, Sludge, Space Weirdos, StarCraft, Stargrave, Sword Weirdos,Urban War, Void Admiral, Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenos Rampant, Xenotactics......and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.Archon Studio, Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Goblin King Games, Lucid Eye, Mantic,North Star Military Figures, OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, Seb Games, Spellcrow, TTCombat,Victrix, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games......and many other publishers.>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edithttps://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AXhttps://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zgPrevious Thread:>>98299995>Thread QuestionHow do you plan to trick your locals into playing an /awg/ with you?
>>98336375>TQI just raised my son to play them. I don't think he even knows what Warhammer is.
>>98336375Usualy i build a board and paint two armies/warbands and ask my friends. Works most of the time. We rotate games like crazy though. Its a lot of work to keep going like this but they do the same. Sometimes its just nice to play a fully painted and prepared game without working for it. The next game one of my friends is preparing ist halo. Im kind of hyped because i am a big fan of the ip.Also: Unorganic quar post.How are you using the civilians? There are rules for quar moms with cakes but i didnt find any for other people.
>>98336587There are no rules for civilians, at most some scenario specific. The mothcake granny is a unit for one faction, it replaces the usual cook/medic.
>>98336375>TQMind-altering drugs, hypnotism and preying on deep seated cultural insecurities.
>TQI quilt tripped my friends into playing by telling them how much effort and money I've spent on /awg/ to play with them.
>>98336375>How do you plan to trick your locals into playing an /awg/ with you?I bought a nice gaming table, and a 9mm to threaten them.
>>98338167Amateur, I've got chains and IV drips installed in the basement.
Do you consider ultra moderns /awg/ or /hwg/? Do they inhabit some unclaimed middle ground?
>>98338385I'd say that unless they're shooting at vampires or aliens they're /hwg/.
>>98338385/Hwg/ but you can post them in both. You playing Asymmetric Warfare?
>>98338535No it's a homebrew I wrote that is a mix of Chain of Command, Fistful of Lead, and Black Ops
>>98338385>Do they inhabit some unclaimed middle ground?pretty much, yeah. There are several anons in here who play Spectre2 or Asymmetric Warfare. SF/fantasy things make it more clearly /awg/>>98338543Just to be on the safe side, you should make some zombie, cryptid-hunting, and Predator rules and post them here. Which I am definitely not suggesting out of self-interest.
>>98338543comfy
>>98337805>quilt trippedYou tucked them in and told them a bedtime story?
>>98336375>TQI let them inject their fetishes into our games. It works wonders.
>>98338385I always considered Team Yankee an alternative wargame since it's purely alternative history and by its nature you are not able to recreate any historical events during the game but voicing this opinion caused many people in /hwg/ to find blood in their urine afterwards.
>>98338681>There are several anons in here who play Spectre2 or Asymmetric Warfare.There are not. Its just you.
>>98338834/awg/ is for fantasy and sci-fi gamesSo alternate history like K47 or Dust belongs here, and not to /hwg/ - but something like Team Yankee or AK Republic, where its completely realistic, alternative events belongs to /hwg/, without any question. And if there are no zombies or mutants to kill in your ultra modern games, /hwg/ it is.
>>98338862>alternative history is /awg/>but alternative "events" is /hwg/Nah this is bullshit and I don't care if it widely accepted or not. People may be fine with that and that's okay but let's not pretend it makes any sense.
>>98338681The game actually started as a set of zombie rules. I made a Black Friday FOMO purchase of 130 zombies for 80 bucks before I knew what game I'd even play then with, so I ended up writing my own. Discovered that if I strip off the zombie stuff I still had a decent, fast play, tactical skirmish gameI'd post the rules here but it's only been playtested 4 times and I figure it needs an editing pass or 2 still
>>98338895Just because you're too stupid to understand something doesn't mean it makes no sense.
>>98338940Ah, so just because there are no fantastical creatures involved, it should be considered /hwg/? An argument for a game being /hwg/ just because a non-existing tech depicted there is "realistic" sucks ass because it's absolutely subjective. Same is true for the political fiction vs alternative history argument. By your logic, if they ever release a wargame based on The Man in the High Castle, it should be considered a /hwg/ system since it's just alternative events with the realistic tech level.
>>98338895Of course it makes sense. Alternate "what-if"-scenarios without fantastical elements have always been historical wargaming territory.
>>98338948>it should be considered a /hwg/ system since it's just alternative events with the realistic tech level.They dont need to release a wargame for that. You can play "the man in the high castle" scenarios with existing rulesets and miniatures.
It's weird. If you did 2018 anti ISIS ops I suppose you could call that history. But a 2028 hypothetical conflict or future war?
>>98338965>missing the point this muchI am not surprised at all.>>98338962>It was always like this so it make sense, and it makes sense because it was always like thisDon't you see the obvious fallacy here? As stated before, this is the traditional split that people came up with and that's fine but the argument behind it is simply inconsistent and flawed. Lunar by Blacksite Studios is a historical game then because it's depicting alternative events, has realistic tech level (people landing on Moon more often because of political reasons, ranged weapon usable in space is totally within our current technological limits) etc.
>>98338969>But a 2028 hypothetical conflict or future war?Does it include power armor, spaceships, laser weapons and hover tanks?
>>98338979>Lunar by Blacksite Studios is a historical game thenYes it is. Who would think otherwise? Take /hwg/-games over to /hwg/ and stop shitting up /awg/ with that stuff. The only reason you want to post here, is because /hwg/ is such a disgusting shithole, because of all the autistic shizos over there. We dont need that here, so keep anything related to /hwg/ out of here.
>>98338920Post it here already if you want more playtesting done.>>98338948Kek. What a sperg. I hope you're being dishonest for the sake of it and not an actual retard though.
>>98338989>People shooting at each other with space AKs on the MOON is a historical wargame, why can't you understand this?
>>98338996Its a classic cold war gone hot scenario, which is 100% historical wargaming stuff.
>>98339000The main argument aside, I'm actually quite curious - where do you place your limit on the tech level? Just because something doesn't look like straight out of Star Trek, it doesn't mean it's available or realistic. Just because something looks simple doesn't mean it's simple to develop. Would Lunar game be considered /hwg/ if they were wearing skin-tight body-socks like in Evangelion? I assume not, since the tech would "feel" too sci-fi.What if some guy from NASA presented a working set of such suits that look like straight from sci-fi anime - would it validate the game as a historical one?
>>98338979Concept looks nice.Maybe Anvil industry’s nasapunk minis will work best for this one along with their gothic void models?
>>98338979>this is the traditional split that people came up with and that's fineIf you admit it's fine then why are you complaining?
All I want is plastic kits for:>generic gw style orcs>naked muscled barbarians, bonus points for alt box with amazons>Northstar making power armor kit
>>98339106Read the thread>Inb4 no I won't since I don't give a fuckThen I don't care enough to explain it for the 4th time.
>>98339127>generic gw style orcsGW orcs are generic tho. They don't even come with any glyps or weird accessories that would be out of place in non-GW games if you accept they are a bit cartoonish.
>>98339147I did. You're bitching and whining about something you just admitted was fine.
>>98339127Yea I really wish there was just generic muscled barbarians with no shirts on, I use victrix stuff for it but they are not muscley, I really wish there was something a bit more chunky like those Frostgrave barbarians, for one of their most popular kits its kindof wack they only did a female option and left it. The rest have like 4 variants now>theyve now done heavy soldiers and heavy cultists as well as male nad female versions of both>barbarians are now just one generic kit for male and female stillI hope they do something for it
>>98339172Ah, so you did not read it after all. That's fine Anon, don't get so pumped for something you don't even care so much then.
>>98339127Avatars of War?
>>98339155I think the point is not paying GW prices.There's Mantic. There's also some retraux metal brands that end up being more expensive than GW and don't have as much selection.
>>98339127I want more amazons too. I amassed about four boxes of the WGA amazons and while soft on detail they're bottomless and so must be cherished and protected.
>>98340234Just browse telegram blood bowl channels, you'll have to add weapons but there is a lot of options covering the various amazon themes (viking/greek/south american)
>>98340234>WGA amazonswargames atlantic made amazons?
>>98340234>>98340331Wondered that too, but the "soft on detail" immediately clued me in that he meant ye olde Wargames Factory. I got their Roman and Celt cavalry and you basically had to freehand their faces because of that.
>AMG pushed the MCP character updates out another month again>Barely any leaks or spoilers to go off ofThis has been a long and painful cocktease for something I know is just going to be +1 to 2 HP for most characters and not much else.
>>98338385depends how historical it is
/awg/ is about non GW scifi and fantasy. Anything remotely realistic should go to /hwg/. The OP should be changed to reflect that. Right now >"games which fall between the cracks"Is too vague and opens the door to much to too many things the regulars here do not want to see.
>>98340815I should add that by "scifi", we mean specifically High Sci Fi, not "plausible" hard scifi. That should go to /hwg/
>>98340398Yeah, my bad I meant WGF.
>>98340815>opens the door to much to too many things the regulars here do not want to see.aha, yeahI really hate that around 5 times what that happens in a year, yeah, it's unbearable
>>98340896Deranged.
>>98340896Jesus Christ, dude.
>>98340331Very technically yes, but it was a commission job for RGD Gaming who have since gone out of business. It was kickstarted and I think they completely maxed out their market segment in the kickstarter itself. I like them, but all the kits are a bit janky. WGA made all the plastic for it and still sell the satyrs.
>>98340940>>98340398look a bit flimsy, almost like 1/72 proportions. Absolutely grim to hear it was a random kickstarter years ago though and that it would be unobtanium these days. Hate when that happens
>>98339127Wow... Imagine having such awful taste
Had my first game of bushido with my friend this weekend. Both of us learning all our rules. Really enjoyed it but man is there so many keywords and extra rules to keep track of. Took us about 5 hours for 1 game but again we were learning everything on our own.
>>98341781I had fun with my fishes but as I learned the hard way I need to be a bit more tricksy and not run face first into samurai. The answer? Get myself more crabs.
>wanted to make a barbarian horde for Oathmark, where my core army would be militia for 80 models, and then whatever else I add>get victrix barbarians and gauls, theyre perfect>realize I have to paint all that bare skin and shield designs, and now regret even buying all these models and dont even know if I should assemble them because there is so many and they take up so much roomHow are those army painter speed paints and dip tins, they any good? My pile of shame may grow a bit.
>>98341874I've used the GW speedpaints for skin back when they were new and they worked fairly well, especially en masse. I recommend using a satin coat after to achieve manowar levels of body oil.
>>98341965Damn, looking at some of the results from the GW skin ones look great, Ive been sleeping on this it seems.
>>98342014GW's bad rap is mostly deserved but they do have a few gems.
>>98341874>dip tinsgot one of these for strong tone once, was like fucking molasses, never again.
>>98340940The biggest issue in that kit is you only have one torso leftover for the cavalry once the 8 per frame are assembled.The 44 is also a bit misleading, since it's 4 cavalry and 8 (male) scythians so you actually got 32 Amazons. That being said, this was a good "problem" to have in hindsight since WGA would sell these at 24 for $45 like the satyrs whom used to be 40 for $35 if they ever felt like re-releasing them.
This shit is gonna be so cool. Ill need a lot more terrain than expected though.
>>98342205That is very cool indeed!! What is it? I will say I wish you used very flat bases instead of having the bases just as tall as the troops
>>98341874Skin is the easiest shit in the world? I put one coat of skin tone paint over a black primer and then a quick sepia wash.
>>98342216It's Full Spectrum Dominance. I discovered it a couple threads back and really liked the minis. I actually didnt even bother reading the rules until today, and they look fairly interesting. I should have enough terrain printed to get a proper game in a couple days, then I can properly judge. Yeah I can see what you mean about the bases, but if they would flat it would be hard to pick them up without touching the models, and they're tiny and resin and extremely fragile. They wouldn't stand out so much if I had a mars mat that matched them though, I'll probably get one.
>>98341781Looks cool.
>>98342242>>98342216The general gist of how it plays is you get a number of activation per round based on the point value of the game you're playing. Standard is 8. Each one is represented by a die. You roll all the dice at the start of the round. You alternate activating units, spending one of your dice each time. If you want to use a unit's special action then you need to spend an additional die that matches the required number(s) on the action.An attack rolls however many dice the attack says to roll, and you compare them to the targets defense, each die that is equal or higher is a hit. For every hit, the target rolls its save dice, trying to get equal or higher than what the hit rolled. That's the basic gist of it.
>>98342034>>98341874>dip tinsThose are, quite literally, just relabeled urethane wood stains. That's how the "dip" technique was discovered back in the 2000s
>>98342205I also had my eye on the game, the activation system is neat, but without a resin printer it seems like a hassle to get in my country. Same with SLUDGE. I do wonder how well those buildings would scale up to 15mm on an FDM printer. Or even the minis in resin.
>>98341781I remember an anon made a really sensible post warning you about the rules galore. It's no surprise.
>>98336375any of you sculpting stuff for your own games? i've started on the road to making all my own creatures for my rpg game but it's a big job
>>98339127Forgot one>naked slaves. suitable for virtualy any time period. Want Aztec levies ? Dark elf slaves? Rovers on your pirate galley? American Civil War supply train? All of this and more is covered by that.
>>98342580wouldn't surprise me given the viscosity of it, robo-skeletons ruined.If I were to do it again today I would do homemade wash in bulk and dip that.>>98341874Right, why didn't I suggest that to you the first time?Buy dishwasher rinse aid and cheap acrylic craft paint in black or a very dark brown, whichever you prefer and then you're going to have to do a bit of experimenting to get your distilled water/paint/rinse aid ratio just right, but it's cheap enough to do that experimenting. little paint, much water, very little rinse aid.
>>98340815I'm a regular here and I'd rather see a dozen guys posting their bolt action armies than a single further post from you, thanks.
>>98343921Recently sculpted a couple robots. Did some arm modifications to other minis to make some to. Sculpting is fun, of your not to hard on yourself about the final result. >>98341874>How are those army painter speed paintsThey're kinda all over the place. Some are absolutely amazing. Some are meh. A few are complete shit. Of the flesh tones I've used they're pretty good. I heard they addressed some adhesion/coverage issues in the speed paint 2.0.
>>98342754Yeah, to get ready for it i made my own cheat sheet with all keywords my faction uses which filled 2 a4 but even with that I still missed a few keywords.Im now making a new list using all the extra middle I got and now have go make the most important decision in list making history. I have 5 different crabsBig crab Demon crabHorseshoe crabFiddler crabCrab swarm...Which one do i give a knife?
>>98343921My next project after, I've finished basing, magnetizing and varnishing the models currently on my desk is to convert these conquest inquisitors to war wolves from trench crusade. I don't actually play that game, but I really like the creature design. It'll involve a bit of sculpting. But I reckon making a simple, pyramid shape from green stuff should be relatively easy.
>>98340815>regularsIt's an anonymous website you daft cunt
>>98345640God, I love those guys. Conquest makes great monstrous models.
There have been so many fantastic games with amazing lore and great models and mechanics! Even if you are just looking at sci fi
>>98338996Lurk more on /x/ and you’ll see that anon is correct
>>98345291>Which one do i give a knife?Crab swarm. A dozen knives.
>>98346126sovl overload
I’m sick of Warhammer and the offical Not-Warhammer resin armies in OPR games.Give me something new and/or out there with the models.
>>98346810QuarWars of OzzThrenodysseyGaslands
>>98346887>gaslands Kek people are still mentioning this?
>>98346900What, is it not hip with the youth enough for you?
>>98343921Not yet, but I need to start learning digital sculpting. Only way I'm getting my Mesopotamian dwarf pirates.
>>98346810Oathmark. Second edition in August. Lots of hard plastic and metal minis out there for it, extremely kitbashable with the Frostgrave hard plastics too.
>>98347309Little Sea People?
>>98346900I don't know if people still play gaslands, but it's the best excuse for modeling and the most original wargame I know of.Not only is it focused on vehicles rather than dudes, it's about custom designs rather than squadrons of uniform Mecha or tanks.Now we need a game similar to Front Mission, Mecha which you can fully customize.
>>98347370Seconding Oathmark, plus it's effectively miniatures agnostic because no one expects you to buy the actual minis. A guy in my group is using his GW LOTR orcs for his army.
>>98348802every game is miniatures agnostic, none of these corporations can send game-police to make you use their shit
>>98348857*calls GW*
>>98348904I wonder when they're going to pull a hasbro/mtg and hire the pinkertons to harass people.
Morning /awg/.I can’t find wga stl terms of service regarding making stls for plastic kits.As in fan made free to download upgrade kits for their death fields mauler.
>>98348977Just do it, not that it matters but the law says that's fine.
>>98348989Law in America and Canada?I plan to try and measure the “gun bag” and make a searchlight modification for it.I’m freecad or blender. When my pc gets fixed.I can’t stand the left handed mouse alternative from the people living with me.
>>98348977I doubt they have thought that far. But i would say, something like this falls under fair use, as long as you are not mentioning them specifically. See something like this for example:https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-replacement-tracks-for-heavy-tank-332652Its online openly, and this guy (tiny panzer studio) is active for years, and most of his stuff is similar upgrade kits for GW stuff. And if that would be easily "fightable" for GW, they would have removed him long ago. So my assumption is: They can't do shit about it. But if you want to be nice and save, write them and ask?
>>98346126>Warzone mentionedMUTANT CHRONICLES IS THE GOAT
>>98349005>mentions rogal dorn a warhammer 40k productSo that’s as far as I can go?Thanks for the example though anon. Appreciate it.Don’t expect much from me as I am just using this as a hobby extension.I’m not sure if donation links like ko-if tips are allowed either.
>>98349023>Rogal DornHe calls it "Rogol Darn Heavy Tank" but he shows the actual plastic for his previous. But as long as he is not mentioning any GW specific words, i think its okay.So instead of naming your stuff "Wargames Atlantic Mauler Upgrade set" you might want to call it "Atlantis Sci-fi truck upgrades" or something.
>>98349039Thanks anon.I genuinely mean it.I’m gonna get calipers to measure the cupola space. Here’s hoping I can pull this off if momentum doesn’t phase out.I’ll send wga an email too and say it is all “free” save for the donation link.
>>98349020terrible movie
>>98349055While you are at it, maybe make a dedicated track set for it too? I used Nate Feyma pieces to make pic related, and i think it worked fine and was pretty easy to do, but it involved some cutting and gap filling.But i think a dedicated track set would be cool
>>98349124I’ll have do some measurements and use caliper for nub radius/diameter etc.I wonder if wga is already working on tank tracks for it on their death fields digital store.They have made upgrade kits in the past.
>>98349178Also I’m very new to 3d modelling.
>>98349178It would have been cool if whenever they released the plastic set to the public a couple weeks ago, they also would have released a number of upgrade kits for it digitally at the same time. Tracks, maybe a proper turret, other random stuff.. They have the digital designers working for them, so they could have prepared those files for at least a year in advance, but maybe they did not think this is worth it for that kit. I'm not a fan of their medieval sets, but i like the fact that they released several upgrades for them to print, with different knightly orders and stuff.Who knows, maybe they are just a bit slow.
>>98349200Hopefully the original mauler gets at least an stl release. The mauler was an improvement but for those guys who wanted the truck it should be an stl.
>>98349074For real
The WGA gladiators look pretty good, wish there were more spare heads on the sprue though.
>>98349582Wonder what the wga romans will look like as victrix’s Roman’s are top tier.Isn’t victrix gonna make fantasy and sci-fi models after a vote on it?
>>98349582i feel like it could just be enough heads. I counted 10, but there are those 3 separate feathers to put on some of them, so they have some more variety.
>>98349621Oh shit they are? Id buy that in a heartbeat, a problem with victrix you might find is that they are not very customisable at all, if you want bits and to fuck around they are not good for that at all.
>>98349621Personally I hope not. Rather let them go deep into medieval and dark age ranges. Maybe make some fantasy upgrade sprues.
>>98349643I’m not sure. I can’t even post the Facebook link because it gets the post flagged as spam.They are considering it.Also I think wga has plans to make their models compatible easily so my first thought was compatible like anvilindustry models.We’ll have to see.>>98349649I think victrix saw what wga was doing in getting a bit of sales from all genres. Maybe they want a piece of that pie.I think you’re right that they should stick with historicals. I want them to try fantasy and sci-fi but only if it isn’t at the expense of their historical models.
>>98349669Victrix also has a reputation for being the highest quality historical plastic manufacturer. That's an asset that was hard to build, but easy to lose. I like WGA, but victrix sculpts are of superior quality. Pic related for example. Spear from WGA knights on the left, victrix knights on the right.
>>98349754Way to make me regret procrastinating on the Roman sales at victrix.But in my defense I wanted to make a diorama with wga zombies and the Romans fighting them in one and knights fighting in another and use my first mauler tank and spacenam fighting more zombies.Yes I like zombies in the current year when zombies were everywhere like superheroes were now if they aren’t declining.Does anybody know of some zombie 28mm heroic scale model stls that have the same rags as the wga so I can have “setting flexible” zombies usable in medieval, modern and sci-fi?
>>98349669what i want from Victrix is a set of American, British and Soviet infantry for WW2. Them only doing Germans is super lame.
>>98349786Why are the Germans so popular anyways?I know in some vidya as a kid I played German teams in ww2 simulations to play the bad guy so others could be the heroes they wanted to be.Is this mentality rampant in tabletop wargaming too?
>>98349791Ehh, i think Hitler and Nazis are cool, but painting WWII miniatures always seemed boring to me.
>>98349850>but painting WWII miniatures always seemed boring to me.Thats fair, but then you aren't the target audience.>>98349791Lets see: If you want to play WW2 (unlike the other Anon), and you are unsure what faction to play, and what other players in your area are playing, germans are always a good choice, because they fought pretty much everyone else at some point. If you collect French or Japanese, your options for opponents are a bit more limited, if you want to keep things somewhat close to actual history. Then there is the "WW2 miniatures are boring". Germans are well known for their camo jackets, and they had like 20 different camo patterns, so if "i have to paint 50+ soldiers in olive drab" is something that bothers you, you can paint 50 germans, and not a single squad has to look like the next, and it can still be a historically authentic force.Then there is the vehicles. Tigers and "big cats" in general are just something people think is cool. I'm not a big WW2 buff, but i would rather paint a Panther tank in an interesting camo pattern, instead of an M4 in olive green. Even if you ignore the big tanks, the germans had so much improvised shit going on, it can be really interesting. And then of course, some people just like Nazis i guess. But all of that together, just makes them a very popular choice for miniature and model producers, because its guaranteed sales, and i'm sure that Warlord games funds their more niche WW2 sets like the Ghurka or french infantry with the sales of Winter Germans, or Waffen SS, or Veteran Germans, or Blitzkrieg Germans.. you get the idea.
>>98349850>>98349893Thanks guys.Ak came out with some contrast paints and i saw some German grey and Russian green that look interesting.Any catches with Ak’s contrast/speedpaint quality?
>>98350505I mean you can get away with "contras like" with almost anything that isn't pure black with WWII uniforms.Even country that did not have supply issues like the US, ended with uniforms with wildly different colors on top of whatever weathering the field did to them.
>>98350521Forgot the image, but this things are all the same and in the same storage unit. The amount of variation uniform had is something that get lost in old black and white images or old color pictures.
>>98350521>>98350536I did not know this.Thanks!
>>98348947Already started. They've sent takedown notices to a bunch of youtubers that have made negative comments on Warhammer saying they're infringing on trademarks.
>>98346126I really miss the Growlers from Vor. Was so nice to have a communal alien army that wasn't a tyranid style hivemind with biologically grown weapons. The Growlers were just giant predatory gorillas that fought in a pack like wolves.
>>98350862Proofs and examples please?And any other companies doing this?
>>98348802dude the minis are like the only good part. I can't imagine going out of my way to play fucking oathmark of all things
>>98349893>some people just like Nazis i guessI'm a big fan of the German National Socialists but I don't see how liking the ashkenazi would dispose someone to choosing the natsocs
>>98346126Based. I love 1e Warzone, warts and all.Some stuff from VOR and Void can also be used without them sticking out too much.Or if you want to create your own corp (not one of the big 5) using the rules of an existing one but other minis.
>>98349020Nasca Razides are really too much. Strenght 6!Ragathol is great to proxy the junior nepharites used to babysit massive Undead Legionnaire teams...
Napoleonic Wargaming is genuinely the most "pure" form of wargaming, and I'm dismayed that it took me this many years to learn this. I am never going back
>>98351144Depends what you enjoy doesn't itI don't like big games
>>98351153I said it's the most objectively pure and true form of wargaming, I didn't say it conforms to your subjective opinion and poor tastes
>>98351144>"I am never going back">Immediately comes back to AWG to talk about HWG
>interested in Conquest since people at my LGS have been pushing it>the models kind of look like if 12 year old me decided to make a wargame based on shit I thought was cool>now the only range that stands out to me are the normal dudes >watch a game while waiting for someone>chat with the players and ask them what they like about their armies>they immediately start giving me rules spiels and telling me what's strong about the army but it's all lost on me since I have no fucking idea how the game plays>ask them about the fluff of the armies (why are the romans zombies?)>"I dunno man, we don't really care about the lore"I feel like this has happened to me at least multiple times when asking people about their quirky games
>>98351377>"I dunno man, we don't really care about the lore"Damn. That sucks. Unless it's an intentionally generic setting the lore is part of the draw. Sometimes the only draw for me. Like with how generic Kings of War is, that fact that people in setting thought dwarves might be human-badger hybrids is the kinda funny shit that draws me in.
>>98351396having good world building and lore is probably the best way to get new people into the gametalking about mechanics off the bat will probably get the truly autistic aboard but not the average joe
>>98351144Napoleonic fantasy is ELITE
>>98351180That's just your opinion man.
3 questions for you awg anons.1) how's the new edition of KoW? I remember paying a bit when its second edition came out and quite liking the game. I enjoy crunchy wargames but KOW was a welcome lighter departure and easier to play in an afternoon. I just found out there's now a 4th edition.2) slaughterloo. I love the idea (and even more I love the idea of fielding hundreds of musket and rifle wielding dwarfs). But online I can find very little about it. I'd like to know before dropping £30+ shipping on a game that I'll probably never find opponents for.3) dwarf wars. I love their range of dedicated miniatures, but I can find even less info about this game. Anyone can tell me anything about it?
>>98350862that's par for the course, GW has a long history of exactly that, lawfare is their secondary business model.I am wondering when they hire the pinkertons as muscle to knock on doors and intimidate their consumers.
Are there any games that are pre-gunpowder and require a lot of tactics rather than army composition? Something that plays like total war but on a table top. I want to FEEL like an intelligent general leading his armies to victory through his wit and cunning.
>>98351377That sounds a lot like a problem with bad players.
>>98351777No. Every wargame is decided in list building. Then you push your models forward making choo choo sounds until one of you had to put all their models back in this box first.
>>98351777Nevermind the Billhooks
>>98349582I think there's a few more gladiator heads on the Citizens of Rome sprue they did.
>>98349754>but victrix sculpts are of superior qualityIt's a real shame that a lot of their kits are multipart monopose that have to built in the same pose.>Pic related for exampleC'mon man, a horribly blurry photo? You know that's going to read as a deliberate attempt to mislead.
>>98349643The hell you on about? I bought the Victrix Anglo Danes and built all 60 dudes in the pack, not a single one is duplicated. Pose
>>98351813Bro have only played Warhammer and "Warhammer killers"
>>98352124They are on of the limiting sets by victrix. Around half the bodies has their arms attached up to the elbows, the other half has cuts at the shoulder. So the arms of the one are not useable with the others. Then there are different neck joints, so not every head fits every body, and some bodies also have their faces already attached, with only the helmet to be glued on top. And sure, it's because of the chainmail and Yadda Yadda Yadda.. it's a shitty set compared to whatever more simplified sprue layouts Northstar does. At least there is no body locked into an overhead strike action pose like they did with their foot knights.
I've owned my 3d printer for a week and I have produced so much terrain already. No more excuses for not playing those epic urban battles I always envy
>>98352124You cant pose them anon, thats the issue with their older stuff. They all have that "raised arm" where the only options you have are swapping the weapon in one hand as the other arm is attached to the body, or the upper arm is part of the torso. Theres not a lot you can do with them in terms of poses because they are pre posed, you just change their weapons and head. The newer stuff is made specifically with the goal of not doing this any more because they want to move into making bits like other ranges, where you can use pieces of their sprues for other stuff and customize their models more easily so they arent all holding their weapons in the same position. Look at pic related in comparison to the knights and sergeants, the arms are actually entirely seperate now.
>>98347911>Now we need a game similar to Front Mission, Mecha which you can fully customize.Gamma Wolves ?
>>98352407I should also note that the older sculpts aren't as crisp as the newer ones. I noticed this when I was working with the dacians. That kit also had the annoying issue of certain hands only fitting certain bodies.
>>98352407>You cant pose them anon, thats the issue with their older stuff.No, they do that for absolutly no reason even with newer stuff ,its just the knights / mnan at arms sets were made with extra customisability.
>>98352482Victrix has advertised that there's a lot of cross-compatibility between the Islamic cavalry and norman cavalry kits. I'm pretty sure you could also throw some rus bits there as well.
>>98352550But looking at the instructions, these models are designed so that they you really can't perform much more than shield and accessory swaps between other kits. A bit of a shame, but these are still gorgeous models.
>>98352550Of course you can. They always had some parts of the sprues that would to with anything. But at the same sprue you have annoying pieces that are pretty much monopose with 1-3 bits of variation. Like the mentioned knight. Your options are the different heads and if he should have a sword or axe to strike downwards. - it's a good looking miniature in its own right, but I certainly don't need it 4 times.
>>98352607The rus and Islamic cavalry kits seem more kitbashable.
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>>98352604That set suffers a lot from the fact that all the arms have a different length too.
>>98352648Have you assembled it? I can imagine it's an issue with the hands that are meant to go with the byrnies.
>>98352604Jesus fucking Christ this is an awful looking sprue.>>98352624>half have half-arms built into torso>all half-neck stumps that will only work with VictrixThese do no scream kitbashable at all. Being half a dog turd does not make you not a dog turd.>>98352627This is better, but what the fuck is with these neck stumps? Headswaps are the most fundamental part of kitbashing, and they just designed these kits to only work with their heads.Victrix sprue designs just seem so fucking awful. It feels like GW's approach to design; wanting you to only make whats on the cover of the box rather than anything else.
>>98351777Play go or chess if you want to stroke your ego. This is the realm of random chaos, as is every single battle. No plan survives contact with the enemy so your job is to adapt on the spot so you can mitigate bad rolls and seize opportunities.What you're asking for tho is a while genre called Rand and Flank.>HistoricalDe Bellis Antiquitates, L'Art de la Guerre, Mortem and Gloriam, Impetus, Sword and Spear, Age of Hannibal, Hail Caesar.>FantasyKings of War, Oathmark, 9th Age, OPR Fantasy: Regiment, The Old World, Fantasy Rules!, Fantastic Battles, Sword and Spear Fantasy.
>>98352305Who makes these? I'm getting an fdm machine soon for exactly this reason and they look nice
>>98352708In victrix defense, these are historical kits first and foremost. There's also some customisability within these sets. The Normans for example have a lot of head, weapon and shield options.
>>98353118>these are historical kits first and foremostOh yeah I forgot people in history only existed with 27 unique poses.
>>98353146The models were laid out that way because victrix didn't want coats of mail to have seams. This has changed with newer kits/ with models that have cloth. Despite the repeated poses, the Norman cavalry still has multiple head, weapon, shield, horse and accessory options.
Can you /awg/ers stay off the trench crusade general? Seriously we get it you don’t like it because made up memes and YouTubers. Trench crusade is awesome and the best thing for alternative wargaming so why is it always being shat on?
>the best thing for alternative wargaming
>>98353263Yes it unironically is.What even is that meme supposed to mean?
>>98353255First off, fuck off. Secondly, with all due respect, fuck off.
>>98353289It's showcasing how people that don't have enough contact with a medium or franchise will only reference the most mainstream/generic version they consumed and judge the rest of the medium as if everything else was derived from it. It's like every single zoomer saying that any medieval/dark fantasy setting has Dark Souls vibes to them.
>>98351377as an Imperisl Guard player, I gravitated towards the Hundred Kingdoms too. Love normfl dudes vs monsters, magic, etc. Bought my first starter last week.
>>98353362Thank you anon.Now why does trench crusade get so much hate?
>>98353146It's more like they don't expect anyone to put WW2 German arms on medieval Anglo-Saxons. It's not like North Star kits where they promote giving their Oathmark orcs Stargrave gun arms.
>>98336375TQ: I'm going to trick fellow boardgame players into A Billion Suns.I'm printing (and translating) rules and quick references as a single booklet for play, printing different premade Corporations and random Fleets of paper (printing the image of the ships they can "buy"). Also different Stations, ComSats, Asteroid Fields etc, so the game can fit into a box and be shown as a multiplayer wargame.I got one into playtesting it with me (we were learning the game, and deciding what rules and props were needed).My guewss is that in 5-6 months there will be a couple of individuals intrested in playing simple (i.e. "Osprey's") wargames.
>>98353263>>98353328Guys he's just baiting you, one of the same nogaem losers that also shit up all the other threads (including /trench/). Don't fall for it so easily.
>>98353386Ignoring the sheer stupidity of the moderation. Between the lies about stl, the hunting of fan work, overpriced products (GW shit looks cheap by comparison), fail to deliver kickstarter things.Horrible marketing material and the guy making the thing is a short guy with no self respect that permeates to the product.
>>98353792>GW shit looks cheap by comparisonObvious lies do not help your point
Command frame for the Northstar knights.
>>98351377The local Conquest players in my city are all fairly obnoxious and the leader of the pack is this weirdo who clearly dreams of being a high school bully again. I do my best to avoid them and even though we've set up a group with a Medieval and Fantasy section it doesn't have a Conquest subsection because no one wants them around
>>98353903What is this behavioral pattern that is prevalent in alternative wargames? And how do you fix it if it can be fixed?
>>98353923The group is all awg and hwg stuff (Warhammer players are separate) and it's just this one guy, so that can't be ascribed as a cause.
>>98353903Fuuuck I like conquest models but I don't like hearing how shitty all the communities are
>>98353902I dont see any instruments.
Since when do I have /hwg/ open? fuck's sake.
>>98353964Because knightly commanders do not play instruments on the battlefield. They have servants for that.
>>98353888Multi model kits for TC are around $6 per model meanwhile GW is around $5 per model.You can find worst shit in GW sure, but GW is well known for already being overpriced as hell.While other companies that also do multi model plastic kits are around $2 per model.Reason why makes GW look cheap by comparison, not that GW is cheap.
>>98353964Those swords are going to sing polka on your ass that and a tankard of beer is all the instruments they need.
>>98354141Don't you need fewer models for trench crusade? It's a skirmish game.
>>98353056>https://www.3dprintterrain.de/
>>98354168Was comparing similar model count kits.Like Necromunda where you need between 5 to 10 models in the usual gang; and the necro kits usually como with 10 modelsIn other words I was comparing apples to apples. Got nothing against TC or GW. Just pointing out that TC for what you get is extremely overpriced even compared to similar products from GW or other companies.
>>98353418Can you share your resources once you're done please?
>>98354253Fair enough. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
>>98354253>and the necro kits usually como with 10 modelsAnd its always two dublicate sprues, cutting the cost.And you said, it makes GW look cheap, when its similarly priced. If something is similar, it does not make the other thing seem cheap. If anything, then those prices (GW and TC) make Northstar stuff seem cheap, while both of them are at the same pricing level.
>>98354511Cheap by comparison. Not that it is actually cheap. Also anon, this reddit bullshit about "not mentioning X, means Y is A and B"Only reason why GW is ever brought regarding TC is because TC guys themself brought it up as a cheaper thing when in reality it is not.Even ignoring the necro example GW has other similar kits being cheaper per model. Does this mean GW is the cheapest thing ever or that other companies are also expensive? No it is the entire point of making example and comparisons.It is perfectly possible to find more expensive things than GW or TC and also cheaper anon. Am I dealing with children or something? That a post needs to put every possible conditions otherwise the Tuomas Internet Defense Force show up to muddy the waters.
>>98354606If you say "it makes GW look cheap", TC should be a lot more expensive. Which it isn't. Both are similarly expensive. Similarly means somewhat the same, in case you dont know.You need to actually use a cheap example if you want to make an example of the high price of TC. >TC makes Fireforge Games minis look cheapor, if you want to use GW>TC is on GWs pricing levelBut no, GW is not cheap compared to TC. Not at all.
>>98354606Warband set with 8 unique guys:>https://archon-studio.com/shop/products/trench-crusade/the-prussian-stosstruppen-warband>https://www.warhammer.com/de-DE/shop/astra-militarum-krieg-command-squad-2025Pretty much similar here - both in price, and in topic. The GW set is slightly cheaper, but its 8th "miniature" is just a floating skull, and not an actual soldier. If you dont count the servoskull as a proper miniature, TC is cheaper than GW.
>>98354134Yeah but that still should be where you put bits for these servants.
>>98354822In the future there might be a peasant or sergeants box as well
>>98354606>Am I dealing with children or something?You are dealing with people who want to argue because they are bored, autistic, stupid or all of the above. Most people don't come to 4chan to have discussions they come to have arguments no matter how pointless or stupid it is. Topics like TC, /pol/ or anything divisive are like candy to these people because it's a guaranteed argument starter.
>>98355065Which part of >grognardyou dont understand ?
>>98355065You're right on all account except for /pol/ posting. Saying nigger is good old gatekeeping.
>>98355412Slurs and insults are fine and dandy but bringing up tranies or chuds or any other political stuff onto here is just begging for arguments.
>>98355648Only with predditor invaders.4chan is know as the bigoted racist homophobe nazi website, everything you find here you can find a woke friendly alternate for there.So those who have a problem are here looking for a problem and if they don't find one they'll make one.
/awg/ has been kinda shit recently
>>98355952Shit posters have upped their game.
>>98336375I need a wargame that would let me do "CAGgots vs Cultists" like the Cosmic Horror Spectre Warfare splatbook but with one player controlling only 1 mini each against a GM for my campaignPls help
>>98356347Some intuition in me says shoot for a Mcculloch type game, like The Silver Bayonet or Stargrave depending on your flavour.Either actively DM the monsters and stuff, or use flowcharts and aggressive random encounter tables like outta Rangers of Shadowdeep.I been poking around in that area and it seems a fit.Might be a bit too simple, but you can keep it fun and challenging my keeping the lethality high and allowing player progression to springboard off random loot table acquisitions and xp gains buying stat increases and abilities.
>>98355952These are the dying days of /tg/
Bought the Sorcerer Kings and City States Conquest: First Blood Warbands. All ability cards are fucking QR codes, no assembly instructions or rules for the army in the box, also QR codes. For the price of a kill team I should get everything that a kill team includes. But all I get are models and something that will 404 in ten years (or less seeing as how a lot on Para-Bellum's site already does.). I know the rules, assembly instructions, and even what the cards do are free online. But that doesn't matter, I should be able to open the box and get right to it. Now I'm really put off by them. I'll build and paint them them, display them, maybe use them in other games, I'm not going to play either Conquest game or purchase anything else from them if they're not going to include the very basic shit in their boxes.
>>98356576Para Bellum has been very diligent on balancing the rules. I think for LAoK, they've been doing balance updates 2 or 3 times a year. I'd say that's one of their strengths and weaknesses, since they sometimes don't just tweak for balance, but decide to overhaul things for new ideas, so it can be hard to keep up.
>>98356572Men amongst the ruins
Speaking of Conquest...My brother found a basically new box of poc related at the thriftstore for like 4 bucks. He got it for me, since I have a huge collection of dwarf miniatures. I'm not too bothered in scale and style variations but fuuuuck parabellum chose some retarded level scale.They're so out of place, it really puts me off them. Which is a shame, since they are some very nicely done models.
>assembling more victrix arab cav>2 part heads where you have to glue in the back of the coif first>heads which only fit one of the bodies>there are literally only 4 horse poses ever. Picrel looks like attack of the clones.>they are dynamic poses too so it is quite noticable that they are repeated>mold lines, mold lines everywhere. On a kit that has released this fucking year.Genuinely I have not been so mad at a kit(s) in a while.
>>98357330Scraping mold lines off victrix mail is very unpleasant for sure.
>>98349582And now a spure for female gladiators. And one for hollywood gladiators who do not look like gladiators at all.
>>98353923It's not just /awg/, trust me. It's the tourneyfagging/WAAC mentality and it's been with us throughout the time the hobby has existed. It should be ruthlessly shamed. Most games with any kind of formal organized play wind up getting infested eventually, and a lot of modern companies are actively encouraging it because whales drive sales.
>>98351056razides indeed overpowered. like armor 15 and 4 hit points in 2e.>>98349074ghosts of mars is what john carpenter did after losing the license to the mutant chronicles movie or some such. both movies entirely fucked the setting by making the dark legion retarded nameless mute troglodytes that come out of underground for no reason instead of having the balls to go big like in the original setting.
>>98356599And that's fine. But the assembly instructions don't change. And some basic rules to know what the things do when you first get the box would be great, unbalanced or not. Actually, you know what, I'm going to go off:I understand that because Para-Bellum is out of Greece they have pretty temperate weather. So maybe they can have an always online tabletop wargame. But for the United States of America, Canada, and several other countries that just doesn't fucking fly. I'm US based. Over half of this country has extremely inclement weather patterns during various times of the year. I grew up in Mississippi, I was there for Katrina. I was three fucking months without power. I didn't even live directly on the Gulf Coast, I lived on the outskirts of Ocean Springs, 30 minutes away from the coast. I would not have been able to play Conquest unless I had the foresight to print physical copies of their rules and assembly instructions. It's the same if I'm stuck in the mountains of Colorado during a blizzard, in a storm cellar in Oklahoma or Kansas, the same for hurricanes on any coastal area. And way up North ice storms can still decimate with power outages and snowbanks over twice as tall as human beings. That's the exact time when you want to break the monotony and play game.Conquest is really interesting. Cool world. Cool lore. Beautiful models. Could I download their entire body of PDF files then have them made into books? Yeah. I sure could. But I shouldn't have to. The real sad thing is this: I might not come back to Conquest. Not out of anger or bitterness or protest or boycott but because rather than investing several hundred dollars into them I'll invest into that money into Age of Sigmar, or The Old World, or War Crow, or Kings of War, or Malifaux, or Oathmark, or another of their hundred competitors. When things like this happen, because of the money investmen, that's often that companies only chance with the consumer. And to me they blew it.
>>98349020Also ty Gemini for teaching me somert I didn't know. I guess it's ok for you to cook the planet's water when no one asked you forced use piece of shit.
>>98357534>>armor 15 p.s. d20 system
>>98349582Are these the blood on the sands fellas? They gonna sell em separate from the whole game? cus I ain't paying 200 bucks or whatever when I only want the gladiators.
Gigamek and ronin walkers in the back
>>98357141I would just paint them like stone and use them as statues for my other dwarves.
>>98357593>>98357596That's fucking sick, love the mechs
>>98357534>mutant chroniclesIf the movie was good would it have saved the mutant chronicles ip?>owned by paradox according to WikipediaCrossover of this ip and world of darkness when because if I recall correctly paradox also owns world of darkness?
>>98357644No. Movie was a flop and came out long after 2nd edition crashed. I don't recall if ultimate warzone (3rd edition) was still around in 2008 but new minis weren't being created at that point.
>>98357568Yeah they'll hit the shelves later this year. Box says there'll be 22 models per box, but the sprue has bits for six gladiators, so I wonder if it's a typo or if there'll be another sprue in the box.
>>98357673Now I feel like Greathelm or Bastards in Bascinets should have been gladiator games from the start. It probably wouldn't take much to hack them into gladiator versions. With optional solo/co-op rules for fighting animals.
>>98357673I don't know the Kickstarter that commissioned those gladiators, but maybe there is a 2nd set with 6 bodies per sprue? Then 2 sprues of each would result in 22 miniatures. Otherwise it's very unlikely and probably a typo or an oversight from a point when the actual sprue was not 100% completed
>>98357644>If the movie was good would it have saved the mutant chronicles ip?If it had come out in late 1999, like the original plans? Maybe. Heartbreaker had already decided to throw down with Games Workshop (which was actually feasible at that point). 2e Warzone did pretty much everything 3e 40k did - streamlining, heavy emphasis on tournament rules, all-plastic boxed set, tripling army sizes, codexes, the works. Problem is Heartbreaker spread themselves too thin. The Pokemon crash killed their CCG. The video game bombed. They expanded into a fantasy game and 5 new factions even though the mainline armies for Warzone still hadn't gotten all their models yet. They started an aggressive resculpt of the entire line for their most popular armies while still having game-critical stuff in the older style waiting for release. When 2e came out they deleted most of the Doomtroopers, the entire Cartel faction, and made it so the 3-4 remaining special characters in each faction locked you into certain army compositions. People rather violently hated that last one; not only were the Doomtroopers one of the major selling points, the new edition fucked over *everyone's* existing army lists. To the point that you'd essentially need to buy an entire new army's worth of models to keep going. It didn't help that the 2e rollout was a complete mess, Heartbreaker announced it out of the blue a matter of weeks before the books started shipping with new 1e rules and products hitting the shelves in the States. And their release tempo was absolutely bonkers towards the end. Stores were getting a dozen new SKUs a week, weren't getting enough stock of the core units for the factions and no-one could really keep up with it. Except Mishima players, because they didn't get Jack-over-shit for years.Heartbreaker deserved to die but it's still sad they went.>>98357565>>98357593>>98357596>>98357606That's sweet as fuck. What system are you using to run it?
>>98357871Not mine. Some pollack got his stuff reposted on anglo facebook groups. Considering how accurate they are I imagine he scanned the 28mm minis first?
>>98357871>>98357896I'm on the Polish warzone group, this dude's doing a whole bunch of work for epic scale warzone, mix of his own original work(mainly the vehicles) and prexisting scans. Also probably his own work, I suspect this was the dude on cults who had most of the old catalogue of Target/Heatbreaker sculpts scanned up.Super fucking cool work, regardless, and he says he'll be unveiling something special later, I reckon his own bootleg Mutant Chronicles game to use these with.
>>98357906Awesome. Awesome to the max. Is he putting up the stls somewhere then?
>>98357914I can only presume so, he's rather tight lipped when answering comments on his posts about that. Were those your Sons of Rasputin in the previous post? They're really nice. I was thinking of converting some old GW steel legionnaires into SoR for my merc needs.
>>98357921Nope lol. I save wz pics constantly. I seriously regret losing a hard drive from 2010 with tons of other people's painted and batrep warzone pics from before then, those pics don't exist online anymore. Your project sounds awesome, post it if you do it.
>>98357934>Nope lol. I save wz pics constantly. I seriously regret losing a hard drive from 2010 with tons of other people's painted and batrep warzone pics from before then, those pics don't exist online anymore.That is an honest to god tragedy, like a burning of a mini library of Alexandria. So many of those blogs and sites have been lost to the digital rot of internet now, too.>Your project sounds awesome, post it if you do it.Thanks, I've got a lot of things on my plate, but if I can just sit myself down and focus I'll make sure to share them here.
