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dwarves would be cool if they had dragons.
>>98360551Your mom would be cool if she had a dragon. See? Doesn’t feel so nice to hear does it?
>>98360564she does have a dragon. Its just a really bad one.
>>98360525>Who was in the wrong during The War of the Beard/The War of Vengeance?The dorfsThey came in accusing the good elves about some bullshit they didnt do and tried to shake them down.It cost them their best trading partners and frankly they deserved the greenskins that came after
>>98360525>TQBoth sides were wrong, but only elves acknowledge that in hindsight.The hivemind will say it was only ever elves, but ignore dwarfs attacking elfen civilians before they even asked the phoenix king, and when they confronted him, they demanded immediate recompensation instead of actually talking things out.Caledor II overreacted when he had them shaved, but the dwarfs gave him an easy excuse.
>TQdwarfs are never in the right
When's Kislev?
>TQActively the dwarfs but they'd never admit it, they'd do the same to mankind and be left completely alone and die out if it soothed a grudge
>>98360577>>98360588>>98360594>>98360628
>>98360610After a solution to the eastern question is finally found
>>98360610Releasing alongside Chaos Dwarfs in 2031.
>>98360641im gonna be 30 then. Ill be too old to play with toys then.
>>98360610At the end of the 2-weeks special Operation and after GW has finished de-Russianizing Kislev
>>98360610Latest rumors say start of 2027
>>98360647Don't worry you can play it with your kids.
>>98360647Haha yeah….
Do you think that they're going to remake the goblin boss on gigantic spider sometime? I don't get why he's just gone.
>>98360610When you write an essay on this filmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_VdfAjAuds
>>98360715AoS
>>98359847That makes sense I guess, probably to do with expectations of an army. It's just a nice feeling to go into a game and thinking "I am going to enjoy this ride no matter what". With my other army, it pretty much hinged on my best unit of heavy cav getting into the enemy. If they died, or my general died, it was GG. Orcs even if my entire army is being slaughtered, I just like going down swinging. Its liberating being green.
>>98360719I don't know about that. AoS is kind of infamous for neglecting forest goblins.
>>98360727yeah they're squatting the entire range next edition so they can be with savage orcs
>>98360715nope, get third party or convert your own
>>98360551Agreed
>>98360818now it's a thane on captive shard dragon
>>98360818Fucked up there isn’t a profile I could use this for.
>>98360869I wish there was a Chaplain on Dragon...
What is the “etiquette” of using AoS stuff for this game? Obviously on their proper sized square bases, but some of the models for the Maggotkin range are awesome for a Nurgle WoC army, and most kits in the range could at the very least be harvested for bits.
>>98360927Many of the armies have a large portion of their range in AoS, some of them original WFB sculpts and some newer versions developed for that game. So you can't really realistically avoid running into them. Just use your judgement.
>>98360871I guess if you really wanted to you could try and make the shard dragon from the monstrous arcanum work for tow>>98360927Some anons here might bitch and moan but irl no one gives a fuck. It's rare to see an army that doesn't have at least one unit of AoS models on squares.I can't imagine anyone having a problem with maggotkin as nurgle chaos warriors. They're some of the best looking aos stuff imo
>>98360945Fair enough, thanks anon.
>>98360927Most people in the real world don't care at all. Everyone at my LGS flipped from AoS to TOW the moment it dropped and that meant a lot of rebasing.
>>98360927It's more common than you'd think!
>>98360947>>98360949Thanks guys. I was even thinking that splicing bits back and forth between the new warriors and the MK Rotswords could look good, and that the some of the blightkings have good poses for characters.
>>98360950Man what a homo that guy is
Small game of battle march 500pts with treasure cache and baggage trains.We rolled the dust devil vortex on the weather table.
>>98360927Shitloads of peeps use AoS models for everything but AoS, especially the chaos ones.
>>98360927Varies from range to range of course but I can't imagine anyone beyond an anal retentive having a problem with that particular range being proxied for appropriate models
>>98360958nice looking board anonWhat were the treasure tokens made out of?
>>98360927the ranges that are incompatible with tow are stormcasts, kharadrons, idoneth, lumineth and ossiarchschAoS is perfectly fair game
>>98360958>>98361012Tiny boxes with gold pieces inside.
>>98361013Lumineth make for better elionor wood elves than wood elves themselves.
>>98361020I had the worst luck of my general career in that game. Every single catapult shot (4) missed and my knights only ever hit one or twice with their 6 attacks on 3+ , 4 combats in a row.
The cool hats get in the way of the arrows in the quiver, so I thought of a solution but idk if it’s kino or dumb for peasants. I cut the arrows out of the quiver, glued the empty quiver to his back, and made a small hole in the base where I glued in the snipped arrows. Historically I read archers did this sometimes to fire faster, but idk if it makes sense for retarded peasants. Maybe I can say they are bandits or some shit to justify it.
>>98361040I still managed to kill everything except the block of saurus, the general and the skink priest though. Unfortunately my knights of the realms fell back in good order out of the table and I lost my general to stupidly unlucky rolls too.
>>98361031I disagree, lumineth are too specific of a design to fit as anything but lumineth outside of aos and are also weirdly off scale.If something on that list can be used for a very specific tow thing, if anything, it's ossiarchs to proxy an army from nagashizzar using tomb king rules.
>>98361047do you want me to rain on your efforts?the bowstring would get stuck in the hat
>>98361053Saurus gain additional attacks when they roll 6s with renegade. My opponent rolled three 6s with his 5 attacks so the trebuchet got fucked hard.
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>>98361070I am not a wise man
I want to make a mordheim warband using the cathay peasant set and probably some crane gunners/whatever the blunderbuss guys arehow compatible is the peasant kit across the range/with itself? are they easy to convert in regards to weapon options?
>>98361100The gunners are more monopose than the elves from island of blood.
>>98361110to be fair it's mordheim, i'm probably only gonna have one of each of the gunners so that's fine
>>98360525>Who was in the wrong during The War of the Beard/The War of Vengeance?Elves hands down. Anyone who says otherwise is trying to bait. Dwarves did everything right at every turn, and elves did everything wrong and doubled down.
>>98361121Finally someone with an impartial take
Finally got cracking on that empire watchtower I won from a raffle at the last tournament I attended. It will be unrecognizable by the time I'm done with it.
>>98360610When GW is ready to take money from me. Currently, they don't want any of it.
>>98360551Dragons are for bad guys and gryphons are for good guys.
>>98360525The dwarfs, as with basically every other event involving dwarfs.
Why would GW nerf seed of rebirth to one per army. Doesn’t that kill High Elf double dragon, literally the only good way to play High Elves?
Been paint testing ostermarkWhich way white man?
>>98361203also I know the hourglass is from Total Warhammer but its easier to do than a manticore
>>98361203Neither, turn the white into a yellow tainted beige instead.
Missed opportunity for gw to not give iron jawz a bombing wyvern.
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>>98361164Based. I have thought about using some dwarf gryphon riders as gyrocopter replacements. Pic unrelated
>>98361259Don’t let your dreams be dreams, anon
>>98361318Now that we are back and AoS is sinking, can we admit the greenskin stuff from AoS was baller?I fucking LOVED the trolls and the cabage
>>98360958>>98361040Dope looking knights and table.Dope
>>98361325>Now that we are back and AoS is sinkingStop thatWe don't want thatIf AoS fails that garbage team will try to take fantasy back
>>98361203White on your state troops, yellow on your greatswords. Make them stand out
>>98361314>>98361164On my to buy list is picrelated. I guess he's technically an halfling, but I think he passes for a dwarf without issues.
>>98361203Right looks more Ostermarky, althought maybe a deeper purple would give it a better look IMO, still good either way
kms i have the urge to start repainting these guys in higher contrast/saturation 4th edition colours. perhaps its better to just paint them as they are and actually finish a unit huh? maybe if i repaint their plumes bright red ill feel better?
>>98360927some of the AoS minis are superior to their WFB counterpartsSimple because the wfb counterparts were so old and never had decent replacementsFor example the giant bats for Vampires. Theres a lot of supplementary models like that, that patch missing models or severely out dated onesIts completely subjective thoughT. someone that hates AoS with the force of ten thousand suns I don't have an issue with it.
>>98361892How about a compromise and leave the painted guys as is and slightly adjust the theme for the rest going for more and more brighter colors so the older darker paintjobs do not get lost and you end up with a vibrant-looking unit.
Anyone try The Old World RPG? How does it compare to WFRP?
>>98361325>the greenskin stuff from aosis terrible>mega armour orcs>skinny orcs (wtf)wfb orcs can't be improved can't improve perfection
>>98361892With how slow I paint and how big my backlog is I can't ever justify repainting something. Like if you value you time at $20 an hour and it takes you even 15 minutes to repaint something you might as well have bought another $5 mini to paint than redo that work.
>>98360927AoS models that just look like WHF models with the wrong branding on the box? Fine whatever.Stormcast, Balloondorfs etc? Show up to a game with those I'd say no thanks and then call you a fag behind your back.
>>98362080More heroic/nobledark vibe and modern Flanderized ultrafantastical tone. Even more pozzed background than 4th. Bit bland. Not my cuppa desu.
>>98362240>Show up to a game with those I'd say no thanksdoubt it.
>>98362080Lohrafurt is gonna get raped isnt it?
>>98362184thats an insane way to think about life
>>98362184Except no one is telling me what to do and what not to do in the hour I paint. I enjoy it and its not a soul crushing job for me
>>98360525>TQThe Elves, the Phoenix King's arrogance caused the downfall of both races.Also, the painting challenge: I'll be leaning towards Empire and get my old stuff painted, I'll go for the swordsmen I think get rid of that and those damn too detailed 1-wound models.That or repaint and finish my Greatswords and have them match my army colour.
>>98361203Legit torn but leaning purple and yellowNow I gotta plan themingAs for the army itself I have never played ToW, but I enjoyed the 1 game of 8th I played and would have enjoyed 6th if I was playing anything but my high elves (6th was the ONE time they were bad).I feel that at least 1 unit of ogres is a must for Ostermark as mercenaries are a part of the culture, and being so close to sylvania a witchhunter captain would be fitting, maybe leading a unit of flagellants made up of refugees and survivors of Mordheim. On that same thought a beamer chariot of light would be welcome. Are the demigryffs good? I dont know if its thematic but frankly I just think they look cool.I'm thinking for Ostermark it will be led by the Margrave Leopold Von Spookenshaker of Nactdorf, right on the edge of the bleak moors.
>>98362404Ogre mercs sounds goodFlagellants can only be joined by Priests of Sigmar now, but a Witch hunter can always be in the army.Beamer Chariot doesn't exists in TOW, no Colleges of Magic so it's not build yet.Demigryphs are pretty good I've heard, solid mount with good attacks that ignores armour and boost the rider's stats as well IIRCBrilliant sounding name for a General.
>>98362424>Beamer Chariot doesn't exists in TOW, no Colleges of Magic so it's not build yet.I really think them setting in the past is just to prevent overlap with age of smegma, as if we need more reason to hate it.Justly I dont respect it. Speaking of which is Mordheim still standing in ToW?
>>98362433>>98362433If we go by the fluff, yes, since it was razed by Magnus the Pious and he takes over in 2300/2301 for the Great War Against Chaos. Time is around 2270s 2280s right now.
>>98362101>>skinny orcs (wtf)>wfb orcs can't be improved can't improve perfectionIt's not 1 to 1 of course but the aos skinny orcs take a lot of design elements from really early orc sculpts which weren't nearly as stocky as later orc designs.There's some helmets pics where you can see the inspiration very clearly but I'm too lazy to look em up
>>98362457I'm just going to post that and say that you're wrong.
>>98361047Never occurred to me that you're not meant to build archers with hats. I'll build spearmen first then for some hatkino.
>>98361047well yeah, the hats are for the melee variants
>>98360927man I know so many WoC players who bought two of those shitty AoS dragons that are now worthless.
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>>98362475Not the anon you're talking to, but I've never seen this bit of art before. Fucking awesome. Where's it from/what edition is it from?
>>98362661> that are now worthless.Eh. they're still going to be much better to transport than the new dragon. Fucking weird how it is to say that an aos model is a better game model than a shelf warmer.
>>98362475>posting 7th/8th edition art in response to a post about fucking slotta metals???
>>98361325Only night goblins and that's because they're just skull pass night goblins. And even they have a lot of duds, especially most of the characters.The other greenskins and trolls I absolutely despise.
>>98362687>trolls I absolutely despise.just say you hate warhammer. Fromslop is over there.
>>98362642Luckily the plastic cement hadn’t completely set at that time so I was still able to pry off the head and replace it with one that he could actually draw the back the bowstring with. I like the aesthetic of the arrows in the ground but I don’t think I’ll continue with it because even after it has set it’s quite mobile and I can easily see it snapping even after basing.
>>983626688th ed orcs n gobs armybook, it's awesome, the more you look at it the more stuff you find >runic drakkars>titanic giant>dwarf living statue >squiggoth>ancestral cannons>aracnaroks that you might mistake for small spiders also the curved tusks insignia is great
>>98362702I love trolls, I'm building a troll horde list right now. I don't think the aos ones fit in wfb at all.
>>98362680i hate this reddit faux nostalgia. i swear part of it is coming from GWs own shills.
>>98362726Yeah the number of people that have nostalgia from that era that hype that garbage on Reddit is probably 0
>>98362707>dwarf living statueYeah, I honed in on that thing the moment I clicked on the picture. Badass - and the floating lightning-boat-thing is great, too.
>>98362726> i swear part of it is coming from GWs own shills.Would explain all of the people pretending to like the new chaos warriors.
>>98362730ive been a pretty old fan all the way back to the 90s, i'm aware of older stuff and seen it.But the stuff i see people soiying over is stuff basically no one has ever seen before its so old and uncommon.Its really weird to me seeing that stuff dug up and people making a huge deal about it. pretty much what /grog/ devolved into. It doesn't seem organic at all so is faux nostalgia imo.
>>98362737>Its really weird to me seeing that stuff dug up and people making a huge deal about it.This makes people in the 40k community shit and cum believe it or not.
>>98362726I think kruleboyz look like ass but it's undeniable they take design cues from oldhammer orcs
>>98362734I'm aware GW has done this since at least 3rd edition 40k.When they added some "beakie" heads to marines. They pulled a >remember the heckin beakies!?no lolIt came back in a big way around the Blackstome fortress stuff period like Zoats.I swear it was GW feeding the community these ideas of what they wanted to get hyped over via reddit (and yes even here)
>>98362738what makes me euphoric is WFB 5th edition and 40k 2nd edition and maybe 1 or (2 at the most) editions above them.I couldn't give a rats about earlier stuff.Although ancient White dwarfs from when GW was a rpg company and doing stuff for other companies is interesting i suppose
I do like some of the early sculpts, I think they can be quite characterful and fun. But taking a design element like a helmet shape from them and doing a modern thing with it as a throwback does nothing for me.
>>98362726no, they do it for free, it's not even done in genuine appreciation of those old models, it's just faggots who cling to anything to "justify" the new product because they see any negativity as an assault on their own enjoyment of warhammer, and last but not least they have a complex about being the ones to "crack the code", be it fluff, model design or incoming releases. to the point you could bet good money that the same anons also end up in silly arguments like>the fyrlizardander and fyfofumslayers are actually southeast polynesians>this ed is all along nostalgiabait about the launch of sugmar and nobody told u>this model was actually meant to be this other thing, ignore the sculptor saying no>do you see this error here? it's actually a secret hint about a future development
>>98362754>rogue trader nostalgia Makes me laugh thinking about how they reintroduced a bunch of stats from rogue trader like „ Cool „ into HH 3.0 as if it were more than 1-2% of the customer base that was even around for rogue trader and are still around today.
>>98356363Yeah, it's a bit tricky taking pics whilst avoiding hard lights & shadows; especially when the pages seemingly have a glossy finish.The toughest part of editing around was actually the curvature, having to fix the asymmetries. On the plus side, the pic was much more detailed than the one on the mega pdf. Everyone's thoughts on the end result?
>>98362855picrel*
>>98362785>as if it were more than 1-2% of the customer base that was even around for rogue trader and are still around today.1% or 2% seems very generous.
just realized if ogres ever come back, they might do the most jew move ever and put all of the sprues for leadbealchers and the other shit in the base box and sell the box for like $80 while still only having like 6 bodies.
>>98362342>Solicit input from strangers on what to paint/repaint>no one is telling me what to do!???
>>98362708Based. There are so many cool troll. Minis out there. Like pic related or Satyr Studios or recasts. You can build a Troll Horde without ever having to resort to cadslop.
>>98362876Its funny how THIS is the edition they decided to settle the "is khorne a chaos god" question, and the answer was "no". Look at it, its just a 6e bloodletter.
>>98362661Idk, id take a good conversion of one of the small stormcast dragons over those new ones. Sure, the new chaos dragon model is pretty, but its too fucking big, especially for its stats. When something is that big you need to pull out the emperor dragon statline. 100x50 is the ideal dragon size.
>>98363063Khorne actually is a chaos god thoughever. Khaine isn't, even though he - a god of war and murder - looks like another bloody warrior-god.Yeah, the banner is a bit sus, but tbf it's actually based on one of the DElves' flags from 4th edition (picrel).
>>98363210>Khorne actually is a chaos god thoughever.Oh, yea. I meant Khaine. There was a bit of a "are khaine and khorne actually the same thing"/"is khaine a chaos god" thing going on for a bit in the lore, and in 8e they finally gave a definitive "no".Have to say I like the 4e banner more, it feels more "symbolically charged"
Read Gotrek and Felix, thanks
Wood elf bros...Did we get too cocky?https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/5fnlyqhl/new-battle-march-boxes-bring-compact-fantasy-warfare-to-the-old-world/
Damn all of these boxes are surprisingly good except Araloth in the WE one
>>98363630Still no Tomb King oneThe choice of having a named character in the wood elf one is very weird, though
>>98363639I keep forgetting araloth is a named character. Probably because he was released just months before everything blew up and he spent the next few years as a generic model in AoS
>>98363630ACK
>>98363639it's the only plastic character they have
>>98363636wonder why there isn't a Brettonia one i would guess the WoC/Cathay boxes aren't being shown since they already revealed those
>>98363630>>98363639>Wood Elves need Araloth because he's the only plastic character model they army has.
>>98363630Are these still £115? What the fuck
>>98363636>>98363636how so? Looking at them its 90% trash and in unplayable numbers. It's clearly a scam compared to the battalion boxes.>Empire20 state troops is a pointlessly low unit count.TEN flagellants, they are worthless as 30. So the only worthwhile contents are the outriders, 10 missile troops and 10 archers. The commander on foot is also basically worthless for Empire, a wizard or engineer is better or better yet the actual dual command kit with banner. >BeastmenBestigors are worthlessonly 10 ungors so can't even do the primal herd for an actually viable unitwarhounds are worthlessCharacters are something I guess.>O&Gprobably the best one but wolf riders are worthless and points must be minimal for such small units. >HE10 seaguard, we're back in IoB days. FIVE shadow warriors is worthless.Rest is ok though the chariot and skycutter is very meh. >WEGet fucked rumourmongers but 10 guard and four gladeriders is shit, sisters and araloth is something but you'd need four boxes to run a halsyn list compared to two and a blister for the same numbers.
>>98363713i don't think there have given a price yetBut the Wood elf box is worse than the Battalion box
>>98363630not necessarily. WoC/Cathay also have two battle march forces but only the ones from the core set have muster lists. A TK vs WE box which include their muster lists is still possible
>>98363705>>98363659He's the only plastic character they have, and also he's terrible. Hopefully this is a bit of an eye-opener that leads to them getting a range refresh sooner rather than later.
>>98363636I still can't believe how good the helf one is if you happen to be into the sea guard army.
>>98363725Brettonia Dwarfs box also hasn't been shown off, even though they have lists in the Battle March book
>>98363636the beastmen box is pretty good, there would be no issue with buying two of them
>>98363720these are meant for out of the box battle march games, not 2,000 points games you room temp iq smoothbrain
>>98363630Well that was quick
>>98363720Those unit counts for Empire are good for Battle March games, which is the point of the box
>>98363630>soon you’ll be able to get four of them in their own boxed sets – plus a fifth, because everyone loves a good Wood Elf war party.a really confusing way of wording it. 4 boxes, "plus a fifth"..?I'd lean towards that meaning "a fifth battle march set but not sold in its own box", meaning wood elves in a new starter box with TK... But then why don't they show the TK battle march photo too? My only answer to that is because the TK one is made of new models and they will have their own reveal.
>>98363630>4 glade riders For what purpose?
>>98363720The HE one is by the far the best one to actually start an army, easy buy two of those boxes. Skycutters are fantastic units dummy
>>98363630> Sea Guard themedAnd here is a chariot you literally can't use in a Sea Guard list, except with a noble as a mountWell done GW (I will buy like three of them)
>>98363785It's the amount on one sprue
>>98363778Having thought on this some more I'm calling it now:Pic in >>98363630 is the wood elves side of the new WE/TK boxTomb kings side of the box will be brand new and revealed soon™
>>98363800I'll allow it because it's a cool model I wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
>"Here are boxes you can buy as a self-contained army to play small games">conversation immediately shifts to buying multiples of the same box
>>98363778TK is an easy army to upgradeNew skeletonsNew horsemenNew chariotsNew colossus/hierotitan dual kitNew casket5 new units and everything else is in pretty good shape and doesn't really need a refresh
>>98363804>Tomb kings side of the box will be brand new and revealed soon™With new skellies. Believe.
>>98363813Battle March is cool for people who want to get into Fantasy or give it a try. I know I like Fantasy so for me I am judging these boxes on how well they work for starting new armies with multiples. HE one is the best so far, if the WoC one had anything but that sorcerer in it that would be in first place
>>98363815Missing Ushabti which are a monstrous unit you always need in numbers and have two variants so a must for a plastic dual kit. Also missing tomb scorpions, the best unit of the edition, which are a terrible and ancient kit and need plastics. Not to mention the screaming skull catapult which DESPERATELY needs a kit. So actually they NEED 8 kits, which is on par with Cathay refresh.
>>98363815>New colossus/hierotitan dual kittoo big for battle march
>not only are there no new wood elf models after all>the box is also a MASSIVE downgradejesus
>>98363844it will fit in a 650+ game
>>98363813Battle March is flexible, with list building. Preset battle march boxes come with options. Battle March is just 500pt TOW
>>98363630Trust the plan new Dryads, Treekin, and Branchwraith box coming soon
>>98363876plastic Wardancers and Warhawk Riders is more likely
>>98363838ya i realized i forgot those.the catapult is a bit niche though, maybe a casket/catapult dual kit would be possible
>>98363869They are still selling the old box and also this absolutely doesn’t rule out what we thought was getting refreshed anyways, dryads, wardancers and hawks
>>98363876Wood Elves Vs TK? Doubt it now
I think GW are massive fags for not doing roadmaps anymore
>>98363898>They are still selling the old boxfor now
>>98363916You can say that about every product they’ve ever put out.
>>98363909they couldn't stick to them, which says a lot about the internal chaos of the company when even the vague shit they gave us was too much to handle.
>>98363898AoS is getting new dryads, they'll just throw the old to us
>>98363938Outside of Beastmen they really haven't done that for any other faction though
>>98363938Considering how that hasn’t happened yet in TOW I think you’re just being a downer to be a downer.
>>98363959That doesn’t really count because they weren’t replaced in AoS, they were just given back to fantasy full stop
>>98363916Probably only because the stock they made hasn't sold out yet. Doubt they're still producing them. Also usually they start recalling them at this point.
>>98363977They got rid of the Orc and Goblin Battalion Box, and there was no way that box sold out before being removed from sale
Has anyone here bought from Maxmini after they came back? I'd like to know about the quality.>>98363909I will never cease to be shocked at how inept GW is with communicating release schedules for how big of a company they are.
>>98363981For the same reason you say that they probably produced a lot less than for other factions. GW's way ahead of you bud.
>>98363630Warhounds kill the beastmen box for me. Not sure how useful they are, but I hate those models.
>>98363981checked comments and they had this to say
>>98363961Excluding Warriors of Chaos?
>>98364023Where were these comments made?
What are we thinking about the new 600 point boxes? Don't they have really weird units? Like why would you want shadow warriors instead of sisters when they're the shittier version?
>>98364048Shadow Warriors are more thematic for an outpost High elf force than Sisters, but Sisters are the better pick
>>98363872Doesn't matter. Most things in Battle march wouldn't be able to properly wound it. There is no behemoth in any of the other battle march boxes. Monstrous creature are the biggest.
>>98363630I guess a good question here is how balanced are they against each other?>>98363720Warhounds suck but primal warhounds are good. Otherwise you're right about the beastmen box.
>>98363630Man I don’t want to buy any of these.
Finished some dragon ogres. Really fun kit to paint. Wish i had a better camera though. The red looks really flat in images for some reason
>>98364288Also some ungors that might need more work but i'm sick of looking at them for now
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>>98364288>>98364301>>98364313Kino, the brayherd is nearing full muster?
>>98364288Greenstuff stumps and sticks? Or where did you get them? The models look baller.
>>98363749Wood Elves are defiantly the next range that should get updated. All their core stuff is fine, but they definitely need new plastic kits for their special and character choices.I would also like to see new Sisters of Twilight and Ariel models.
Only real hobby stuff I got done this week is we had left over sheet metal in dark green so I made some magnetic movement trays. So I'll mess with those this weekend.
>>98364426>Sisters of TwilightI don't think they're alive at this time
>>98364465According to the wiki they should be around by this point.
>asking for named hero’s Please go back to 40k
>>98361203Both, make half of each in every unit and mix them up
>>98362424>Beamer Chariot doesn't exists in TOW, no Colleges of Magic so it's not build yet.>letting a corpo tell you that you are not allowed to play with your own toys because they dont want overlap with there other gamePure bugman behavior
>>98364392The stumps i had my friend 3d print. The sticks are just dried sticks i picked up from the yard>>98364371Still got ways to go. Next up are the gors but after that i can move on to the fun monsters like preyton and giant spawn
does any one have the battle march pdf GW uploaded to the community page before they took it down?
>>98364646>Pure bugman behaviorI'm sure Joseph Bugman would NEVER let GW interfere with his warhammer army
>Only notified that my core set order shipped today.Bros... It's not coming until Monday.
>>98364736https://files.catbox.moe/ysjjtc.pdf
>>98364785Thanks anon.
>>98364646Keep the venerable name Bugman out your mouth!
>>98363770>>98363772>>98363827Isn't battle march flexible too? I don't think there's a hard unit and wargear selection like in Combat Patrol and Spearhead.I still worry about the worth of some of these boxes regardless tho.
>>98361164Gryphons are the quiet reserved type but I bet dragons fuck like tigers.
>>98364936Yeah battle march has the same restrictions as games of size do. It’s not really its own game mode like spearhead or combat patrol. More a set of rules to make smaller games more interesting. With objectives and occurrences made for the smaller scenarios. The full battle march rules should still be in the OP if you want to see. But yeah to answer your question it isn’t fixed at all. You can make your own lists.
>>98362433it's more so because they wanted a moving narrative, and setting it in the "modern day" of the warhammer world kind of prevented that, unless they were ready to commit to split timelines which they obviously weren't.If tow keeps chugging along eventually we'll reach the conclusion of the great war of chaos narrative and we might timeskip to "present day" and go for a different timeline altogether. Maybe going with the storm of chaos story, who knows
>>98363630what a bunch a ugly minis
>>98364243good you can save your money for mtos
>>98364997>If tow keeps chugging along eventually we'll reach the conclusion of the great war of chaos narrative and we might timeskip to "present day" and go for a different timeline altogether. Maybe going with the storm of chaos story, who knowsI do not respect the jewish psyop that is the end timesGrimgore da best
>>98362433I think the TOW timeline was retarded and they did it for very petty reasons not to crossover with AoS (skaventide) and realized that was stupid near the beginning. Going straight to modern times or "what if the End Times didn't happen?" or someother easy to toss in different timeline shit would be best regardless. So many people are ignoring the narrative and doing what they want anyways, whether Longbeards encouraging it or 2ndarys dipping their feet in from other games or Total War.
>>98364997I bet a timeline split to justify moving the setting up and including more familiar characters would be pretty well received by mostly everyone. Maybe with 3rd edition in 15 years.
>>98365047WE were never a stand out range and have had probably the least impact in the franchise. No one ever thinks of a WE miniature when they think warhammer and for good reason.
>>98365179>>98365158Storm of chaos is the right full end.AoS is the glue huffed dream of a special needs child in Nuln
>>98364997I absolutely see TOW going for an alternate history route. Some characters return from WHFB, while some new ones come in. I'm assuming GW will go with ET being prevented altogether/failing and going from there.
>>98365242Nah, they’re gonna do what people always claim they “wanted” and see stuff like Cathay and araby be properly fleshed out, generally stuff that never saw the light of day to be seen.
>>98364023>for the foreseeableclassic GW vagueposting, could mean indefinitely, could mean until the new BM boxes launch>>98364048Nice ways to get people into the game, but I do think they have weird unit selections, especially for battle march. I guess they wanted to entice people with variety over utility in most boxes.On a positive note, I could see myself getting two of the beastmen boxes for a new army if the discount is good enough. Haven't found a coherent range of STLs I like for them yet.Overall though I'm not sure why there's so much hype around a bunch of repackaged minis that have been around since the early 2010s.
>>98365267There is exactly a 0% chance they touch Araby
>>98365047god this look like shit. especially the noodle dragon lol
>>98365274>I'm not sure why there's so much hypeIt’s forced positivity. I could change up how I say it by saying that tow hasn’t really had anything to supplement it since launch but it’s the same truth.
>>98365280I think Araby is the most likely choice after Kislev, Vampire Coast, and Dogs of War
>>98365317I think you're off your bloody rocker mate
>>98365343Yeah probably
>>98362318Probably by this nice young man
>>98365352That beast is purely for killingIn beasttribes rapes go by rank>Ungors get slow children and the elderly>gors get standard townswomen>Bestigors get the hard jobs, fishmonger's wives, burly women>minotaurs get the cows, litteral and figurative>hounds get fast children
>>98365317I still think Dogs of War will be Araby, Estalia, and Tilea combined into one army called Border Princes.
>>98365158Based
>>98365375What about the bray shamans and the chieftains?
>>98365424Chief picks what ever he wants desuShaman take any religious leaders male or female to "send a message"
>>98365424They get the doe's
>>98365317We are more likely to get a new Chaos Dwarf line than Vampire Coasts or Araby.
>>98365375A while ago I ran the numbers of beastman births85% are born from rape, a suprize to no one:40% Bardyard stock (raped farm animals)40% beastdoe rape12% Cultists/witches boning them for powers (Not actually rape)5% Human rapes (few humans would live long enough to bear the child.)2% Natural born mutants from human parents1% mutated later in life (maybe less)
>>98365432Gamemaster's guide handily tells us what the chief picks
>>98365473Were in the great forest are you finding elves? The closest ones are in the Drakwald
>>98365473>>98365453>>98365352>>98365375You will never be a beastman. You have no horns, you have no hooves, you have no mutations. You are a chaos player twisted by heavy metal and father issues into a crude mockery of the dark gods's perfection. All the "validation" you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back ungors mock you.The Ruinous Powers are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “allies” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.Demons are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of corruption have allowed them to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even "Turnskins" who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a demon. Your hoof structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk nurgling to your herdstone, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected "horns".You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake bray every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your cultists will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a herdstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably human.This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
>>98365486Can I be a horse girl with crazy M?
>>98365476picrel. Also there's apparently a high elf embassy in Talagaad
ZMSFM has a pretty good minotaur anima- I mean those battlemarch boxes sure are shit!
>>98365522please kys you filthy stupid troon
>>98365343>>98365439VAMPIRE COAST IS TOTALLY COMINGI JUST ESCAPED JAMES' WORKSHOP WHERE I SAW IT AND A NEW SHIP GAME THAT IS HALFWAY BETWEEN MAN O WAR AND DREADFLEETIT'S COMING SOONER THA
>>98365592You just saw the upcoming khadrons
>>98365607Such a stupid army. If they went more into OG Dwarf Engineering designs rather than what steampunk abomination they went with, I could like it a bit more. And their last army book cover art is a tragedy.
>>98365453Statsanon I am curious what your survey methodology was in reaching these detailed results
>>98365668I honestly thought the og dwarf steampunk stuff was more awful. I still can’t stomach any iteration of the gyrocopters or the engineer dwarf. Don’t even get me started on the Reddit helicopter back packs they had in the mmo.
>>98362287I once reduced a grown man to tears simply be refusing to play his Primarisharts when he showed up to a 4th edition 40K night at the local club. Some deride gatekeeping, I regard it as a duty. Be glad I'm a merciful man, or anyone who dared enter my presence with Sigmarines would be beaten to death with a metal dreadnought in a sock.
>>98362785They didn't reintroduce that for customers, dipshit, they reintroduced it because the guy running SGS is a massive RTfag. Same reason Nucromunda has more in common with Confrontation than it does its actual namesake.That's also incidentally why TOW is just a bit meh, GW clearly gave a brief to make a "best of" WHFB edition based on the most popular versions 6th and 8th, and he doesn't give a fuck about that so it gets minimum effort.
>>98363630Why are they showing glade guard ranked up as 4x2? Aren't they minimum 5 wide
>>98363838Also forgetting Tomb Guard, who were inexplicably made to match the 5th edition bobblehead skellingtons while every other unit update of that period were getting updated proportions whether that fitted with their existing models or not. They would look absolutely fucking comical stood next to modern GW skellies even if they don't push them to AoS gigantor size to match the ridiculous 9' tall TOW plastic kangz characters.
>>98365720I like them but because I felt like they got there somehow, which says alot for a race that hates anything new, so it had to go through worse-than-german tier autism. And fuck you Gyromounts in WAR are SOUL. So are the gajillions of female dwarfs.
can you build elyrian reavers actually wielding their spears?or do they always have to have the spears backsaddle and hold the bows?
>>98365212How to fix TOW and finally heal the wounds of End Times:>Do the rumoured Last World thing to AoS next year and in the process obliterate all explicit references to WHF, then do TOW 2nd edition a year later(also make it basically 6th 2.0, but that's just for me)>Announce along with it the end of Legends'd content, everything's back in the core game and will be supported>Restore the timeline to the 2510's, Karl Franz struggling with wayward Electors, rumblings of a new Dark Power rising in the frozen north, Orcish incursions into the Border Princes etc etc>First thing in the new rulebook is a short story about a Celestial Magister getting dragged off by the Witch Hunters after going goo-goo ga-ga batshit crazy from wyrdstone-induced visions including of both SoC and ET(conceptually, no specific details related to the actual shitty campaign) and a couple of other things, and the story concludes with another Magister basically telling the WH "it was all Chaos jujumagumbo, no truth in it at all">All story content for 2nd edition TOW is historical campaignsDone. Basically just give us our setting back, eliminate the connection to AoS, and then fuck off.
>>98365841>All story content for 2nd edition TOW is historical campaignsIdk I think I want TOW to actually finish telling the story it's setting up at a glacial pace. Speed things up and get to the burning of praag. Maybe even introduce some different elements here suggesting that the timeline has already split/is splitting then jump forward with 2nd edition. TOW has brought a lot of people to or back to rank&flank and I think it should get to finish one arc before it becomes warhammer fantasy proper again.
gor rok my beloved
>>98365928try again
>>98365928I saw art of him fucking a great unclean skaven. I need more of that.
>>98365936I love the little froggy on the base
>>98365898Historical to the 2510's, so there's nothing in my plan preventing from from doing the Great War campaign they're obviously already building up to, it would just be "this is what happened back then" instead of "this is what's happening right now".
>>98365936purrty
>>98363474I know you meant Khaine; I was just being a tad facetious.>There was a bit of a "are Khaine and Khorne actually the same thing"/"is Khaine a chaos god" thing going on for a bit in the lore, and in 8e they finally gave a definitive "no".Hmm, I genuinely didn't know that was a thing up for serious debating. It has always seemed pretty clear to me, though perhaps maybe due to 40k-Khaine and his lore on the Eldar.>symbolically chargedHeh, are you perhaps referring to the suspicious pile of skulls? Totally unrelated to Khorne.I myself like the updated banned for Naggarond, and find neat how they changed Khaine's bloody-hand into holding Widowmaker; weapon of the 1st Phoenix King.
Quick question: is Battle March intended to be played only with the pre-made armies from the battle march boxes or can you play it with anything up to whatever the point limit is?
>>98366061I don’t feel obligated to answer to a tranny
>Chaos giant still goes on max 50x75 baseI was really looking forward to doing scenic bases for the big guys but guess not
>>98366061The rules are in the OP my man
>>98366067My bad, thanks.
>>98366084>>98366067No wait, I'm looking through it and it and isn't this just some additonal things mean for the base Battle March book?
>>98366113How retarded can you be.
>>98366118Do tell.
>>98366061dwarf women look like THAT???
>>98366125Sadly no.
>>98365196I wonder how much many more total war timmies they could've roped in if they set it in the "present day" and slapped hecking karl franz on a starter box or something
>>98366176sold out in minutes
>>98366189Imagine the ebay dealsvgh...
>>98366015>Heh, are you perhaps referring to the suspicious pile of skulls?No, I mean it looks more like a "heraldic banner". The pose is unnatural, the heart and moon compete for attention because theyre both ritually significant to the dark elves, it all helps it feel like a "real" depiction of a god, which tended to not focus on making the god look as cool and action posey as much as cram in various esoterica and "this is the sacred simob/animal of the god, which is why theyre holding it". The sword makes it look more like a generic monster.
>>98366225If anything, we need more and weirder depictions of khaine. One where he has the head of a lion/manticore because thats an animal associated with him, one where hes many-armed and holding a dagger, a scorpion, the widowmaker, a beating heart, the moon of nagarythe and then maybe a pen or some other more "esoteric" implement of killing. Maybe one where hes holding a decapitated demon head and doing the Kali pose.
>>98366176Honestly Karl Franz is so incredibly popular in total war I fully expected GW to just sell him anyway
this whole general is full of rape obsessed furfags and 2016 election tourists
>>98366319That was 10 years ago bro
>>98366241I mean in a way they do
>>98366321theyre tourists because they are scum from /pol/ who occasionally invade other boards
>>98366176That direction ends up degrading the setting more than you think. It’s not the road you would want your product to go down.
>>98362855>>98362876But yeah, I think it looks well enough to be posted:>https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/NaggarondThanks a lot to the anon that photographed the DE armybook. I know I've bothered you well enough, but would mind posting pics of the other citie's heraldry?
>>98366404*pic is from the existing pdf; may look a bit muddy.
They got me lads, I bought the new core set to split with a friend since this battlemarch game looks fun to play and I have zero interest in full 2k+ games and I will be getting the beastmen box when it comes out because they look cool.
>>98366438They are probably going to get me too, I am already working on a WoC army ( started with the marauders ) and I figure I want a Cathay army down the line too so this box is perfect...
>>98360927You will be called a zoomie and be dabbed on, but so long as you actually paint your figures and base them on squares the ribbing will be minor.
>>98363630Oh wow, this sucks.
>>98366594>You will be called a zoomieno one will call you a zoomie IRL, or anywhere outside of this thread for that matter
>>98366438Welcome to the herd
>>98366609I have heard zoom-zoom in a joking matter.
>>98366612don't post AI, you fuckin loser. Post good honest man-made furry art
>core set out tomorrow Gonna be a fun weekend.
>>98366623Furshit is subslop by nature.
>>98366654Do we know when the new chaos AJ is coming out?
>>98366612God that looks awful.
>>98366708Maybe in two weeks, as next week is going to be 40k orks
>>98366612kill yourself
>>98366612They hate you but you’re the best of us beastwoman anon
How do I figure out what to sell the cathay side of the new core box for?
>>98366765aim for half the price, go lower if you don't find retards biting the offer
>>98366774I'm putting my chaos half around $100.Surely someone wants them.
>>98366717Agreed
Would Abby make a good girlfriend?
>>98366839>tryhard with daddy issuesNo but she'd fuck like a tiger.
>>98366839She is up there with the Emperor of mankind for reddit gaythiest.Like take the "I'm using the dark gods for my own goals, I'm secretly the good guy" up to 10
I wish I had not somehow lost my pewter, dual weapon Beast Lord.
>>98366839GRIMGORE DA BEST!
>>98366850>Like take the "I'm using the dark gods for my own goals, I'm secretly the good guy" up to 10Isn't that Abaddon's thing?
>>98366926Its a common trope of chaos warrios to make them sympathetic in stories. Beastmen rape for the love of the game, its what makes them so alien and sinister. But Chaos warriors have real human motivations
Death to sloppers and tourists. You know nothing of the game you defile by posting your garbage where it isn't wanted. Go and stay go.
>>98366954
>>98366954Diederick is shit, fuck off.
>>98366954Litterally says he thinks hes the heroe. Ending the cycle to save the world.>"I'm using the dark gods for my own goals, I'm secretly the good guy"
>>98366972Yes, he is. He was made even more shit when 6th edition happened.Know your history.
>>98366765Before selling them, try to see if anyone wants to just swap them with their chaos half.
>>98366973>Litterally says he thinks hes the heroe.He is.
>>98367072By having chaos destroy the world...?
>>98367078Yes. Warhammer is a gnostic setting. What is commonly perceived as the real world is in fact a sham, and a mere shadow of the true world beyond, that being the limitless potential of the immaterium.
>>98367088Eat shit abby. Grimgore da best
>>98366870Fuuuuck bro im so sorry. I havnt painted mine yet, got the big axe guy from the MTO and will probably do him first
>>98367088Long way of saying he brought about AoS.
>>98367164Worse than scum.
>>98366066Run it as gigantic spawn maybe?
>>98366066Just run him on the base that looks best. No opponent worth your time would ever make a problem out of it.
>>98362707Don't forget the night gobos, bottom left
Think the new aos ogres will fit in the old world bases? Thinking of getting a few as mercenaries for my army cause they're cool.
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>>98367457Oh I thought they would be bigger
>>98367457Glad to see they're not oversized. I'm on the fence on the new bigger gutplates. And I do like the smaller heads, even if the weird flanged helmet are a bit much. Feels like it's supposed to be an overexaggerated take on the flanged Mongol helmets.At the very least, it's good to know they're small enough that they can be ranked up on squares with just a bit of finagling.
>>98360869Is it weird that I don't mind this?Mind you, dwarfs frequently use dragonheads in their iconography
>>98366594I’m almost 40
>>98367611So that means you'll paint your army before playing it then, right zoomie?
>>98367536I like the smaller heads, it just feels more like the artwork
Funny, the beastmen box is basically half of what I wanted to start a new 6E army with, so if I got two of those, a box of minotaurs and something like a giant I'd have my 2000 points list.Is it worth it beast players or won't I cut it as a forest rapist with something like this (mark of nurgle on everything because I think monsters causing fear is cool):>beastlord on foot as the general (I like the model)>wargor as BSB, probably with an ambush boosting banner>two bray shamans, one with the stick that gives him the "charge out of ambush" spell>two beast heards (20 gors with two hand weapons and 10 gors with spears and shields each) in ambush>two chaos hounds units to screen for minotaurs and bestigors>one unit of 20 bestigors running with the beastlord>one unit of 3 minotaurs >a chaos giant or dragon ogresI know I lack chariots but I just don't like those things, aesthetically.
>>98367818how many points to use Gold Ship as a mount?
>>98362080Are resources for this game even out there? I know there's been at least one anon in the sharethread asking for it to no avail.
>>98367457Am I alone in thinking the 40mm bases feel awkward for them? It’s so much wasted space…
>>98367818I assume you mean 10 ungors with spears+shieldsounds decent enough for me, bit of everything. Maybe go dragon orgres or Ghorgon, it looks decent enough a unit.
Only a few more days and I'm back home from this 3 week job and I'll be free to paint and shitpost again!! Please look forward to more knights!
>>98367877>I assume you mean 10 ungors with spears+shieldYes, guess I'm sleepy.>GhorgonNot a thing yet in 6E but the model is cool so I'd probably use it for a chaos giant.
>>98364288>>98364301>>98364313Nicely painted, anon!
>>98366438>Splitting the core box to get a friend into TOW>exercised iron discipline not to influence his choice in factions>he chose chaosFUCK, at least I don't have to expand the chinks beyond a battle march, if it'd been Kislev it would've been a different story.
>>98360525Finished my Ghorgon finally, I am very pleased how he turned out.
>>98368234Here’s a few other sides of him.
>>98368234>>98368238
>>98368234>>98368238>>98368240Last one is a ”scenic” one I plan on using for his fluff section for my dudes.
Just picked up the core box at my LGS.Gonna soll those WoC with a mark up and finance even more Cathay until I have 4000 points painted :)
>>98368244Kino. Love that conversion that you did so much
>>98368256Thank you Anon, it’s a very simple thing at the end of the day but it gives him character and makes him stand out a bit.
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