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>>98368493Waiting on the price but I think it's a fair intro, though some could've done with more heroes I like Beastmen and O&G tbhon
Beastmens look alright but I can not give a shit about yhe mode or the actual battalions they are associated with otherwise.
First for Beastmen, let's get that out the way.>TQI actually like that they're a sample platter of a bunch or different units within the army, even if they have to do some pretty jank unit sizes in some circumstances.For me the empire of man and high elves are the most appealing. Maybe the wood elves as well
>>98368562>Waiting on the pricewhat do poeple think the price will be?the HH boxes are £105 same as 40k combat patrolAoS Spearheads are £91
>TQdepends on the priceif they're priced liked battalion boxes, it's objectively a worse dealbut if they're priced like AoS spearheads then it's a decent deal, especially if you're into HEtheir battalion was hot garbage, don't even try to (you) me
I love the Wood Elfs but I just can't bring myself to start an army of them as long as they're tied to those fuckass Glade Guard models
>>98368612Why do eternal guard exist. They don’t fucking do anything.
>>98368612They're better than you think
>>98368612just grab some good glade guard
As somebody who doesn't play ToW but wants to start painting the models, I was looking forward to the Helves and Empire boxes.Unfortunately I don't like Flagellants or the sky cutter and chariot at all. I'm just not a big fan of chariot figures. I would have preferred some archers instead of the chariot. A cannon would have been awesome in the empire box but idk I guess it's hard to balance in Battle March. I hope Dwarfs get one with some slayers and thunderers.
>>98368493Raaroo!
>>98368658>ToWIT'S TOWTOWWHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE
>>98368663muscle memory from typing AoS
>>98368693or WoWor LoLor CoDor CoCor CoC
>>98368693It's more so that in 99.99% of initialisms/acronyms with three letters and an o in the middle, that o is going start for "of"
>>98368590battalions are £115 and will remain in production, so I would expect significantly less?
>>98368745Battalions are gone my lil retsrd
>>98368719god, we really need a modern HD remake of CoC that strips out all the awful furry OCs whales paid to have put in the game
>>98368746Warcom is known to lie I suppose? Wood Elves and Dorfs remain still. I'd expect new battalions unless they're lying.
>>98368748erhmm…c-corruption of champions?? o_0
>>98368493>TQI'd get the beastmen box but i already have like 20 warhounds and 2 of those brayshaman models
>>98368745Are these new battle march boxes supposed to be fomo? Otherwise I feel like it'd be pretty weird to have two permanent intro boxes per faction on offer
>>98368493>TQIt honestly crushes my hopes of having new Empire State Troops anytime soon.
>>98368833Counterpoint, if a Warhound army of infamy happens in 2.0 this is basically a once in a lifetime investment opportunity.
>>98368852it just means you'll get knightly orders first
>>98368833Make the warhounds unique for the Primal Warhounds in the wild herd.
>>98368612The glade guard look good if you use hooded heads, it's just the bare heads that are a bit derpy.
>>98368852They put soon to be refreshed units in discount boxes all the time anon. They just squatted gnoblars from the aos ogres despite putting a unit of the fuckers in their new spearhead last year.
>>98368857or new cannons and Free company militia
>>98368852looks like a fine box to finally get some empire model for my jade fleet.
>>98368892why the hell would they make new cannons? are you dumb?
>>98368924Nta but why the hell would they make new chaos warriors and knights?
Reposting from the end of the last thread:The beastmen box is basicaly half of what I wanted to start a new 6E army with, so if I got two of those, a box of minotaurs and something like a giant I'd have my 2000 points list.Is it worth it beast players or won't I cut it as a forest rapist with something like this (mark of nurgle on everything because I think monsters causing fear is cool):>beastlord on foot as the general (I like the model)>wargor as BSB, probably with an ambush boosting banner>two bray shamans, one with the stick that gives him the "charge out of ambush" spell>two beast heards (20 gors with two hand weapons and 10 ungors with spears and shields each) in ambush>two chaos hounds units to screen for minotaurs and bestigors>one unit of 20 bestigors running with the beastlord>one unit of 3 minotaurs>a chaos giant or dragon ogresI know I lack chariots but I just don't like those things, aesthetically.
>>98369015Beastchads are undivided only. Ambushing gors don't need to be 20 strong if your goal is to take out artillery and archers. Dragon ogres are probably the best unit in the army. Giant is a more fun/fluffy choice for bigger games. Minotaurs are kinda bad. Beastlord with bestigor bodyguard isn't super competitive but I really like it fluff and aesthetic wise and do it myself. Chariots are a pretty solid choice for the shaman. But I'm holding out hope for new plastic ones someday. The old 90's one is so bad.
So the new battlemarch book is out, and as expected, no rules for legends armies, does this prevent you from playing them? The muster rules seem like theyre just an example list if I'm not mistaken?
>>98369275>Beastlord with bestigor bodyguard isn't super competitive but I really like it fluff and aesthetic wise and do it myselfSame here, it just makes sense
>>98369322I like your paint scheme. I plan to do something really similar as tribute to my gray/white cat who passed away last year.
>>98369310Shut the fuck up Rob
>>98369335Can't wait to see it Anon, i'm sorry about your cat.
>>98369310They are just example lists. Read the book.Nothing stops you from making your own lists.Legends armies are only legends armies if you treat them that way. So, don't.
>>9836927510 ambush gors with 2w in skirmish do a ton of work against gun lines too since at minimum they turn them around and shoot at a 80 pt unit, or risk getting ripped apart.And while Dragon ogres are the best unit, I do think Razorgors are the best unit for their points. Centigors are vastly underrated.And yeah suicide shaman can hit 10 attacks at strength 10 + all the chariot stuff. Fun stuff.
>>98368852State troops are fine. The body with bare feet is annoying, but besides that, they are still decent models. The archers are the best empire troops tho.
>>98369402>suicide shamanoh, also Ap 3.
>>98368852You could try Highlands, Reptilian Overlords, or Last Sword.
>>98369402I'd really like new centigor models. I've also considered a centigor hero ambushing by himself. Seems like he could hunt artillery pieces and weaker monsters with a spear. I've also considered allying in marauder horsemen from WoC to get some fast cav support. Hoping the upcoming soup list is decent. I think ideally I'd pad with WoC guys to flesh out the army and then try to get pure beastmen over time as I painted more. I have some 3D printed razorgors I've wanted to try out. Will report results at some point. Work keeps having emergencies during TOW meetups.
>>98369275>Beastchads are undivided onlyMy favorite mark lorewise but I love the idea of causing fear, although khorne got a cool mark too.>Minotaurs are kinda bad.Oh come on, say it isn't so. I like those guys and their old models, I wanted them to be my monster killers with two handed weapons. Thanks to nurgle they'd also have a 4+ to hopefully stop some arrows.
>>98368852I wonder if GW has the molds for the Y2K era Empire state troops in the basement somewhere. A MTO of those would probably sell pretty well. I've been considering selling mine on Ebay. Seems like Empire has a pretty dedicated following of middle aged guys with professional careers and some money to throw around.
Made a start on the Cathay half of the core box and holy shit are the sprues over-designed. Don't think anything in it is less than 8 pieces, that's twice as many compared to any older kits. Alsp the total lack of options is concerning isn't it? Looks like they'll phase out options like they have in every other game.
Spotted Vince Venturella on the drum.
>>98369441Warhoof with throwing axes and mangelder is amazing ambush, and i add the mutation to get the -1 to be shot. Add in a unit of 6-8 centigors with throwing axes and great weapons and a champion with scourge of the burdened. Run them in skirmish for 360 view in case they roll frenzy.Get only 5 for the free ambush if in wildherd, and add the monster hunter banner if you want to kill bigger stuff. Tons of options, and all of them good.
>>98369460>USHORAN GET DO-
>>98368833I'm in a similar boat. I have two bray shamans as well, and I don't like the warhound models, so I use spiders as proxies instead.
Sold the Cathay side of the new core set for 120$ lads.
>>98368833>>98369492While I usually hate the idea, just make some WYSIWYG bray shamans. One with a Skin of Man, another with a Chalice so it can be either plague chalice or dark rain chalice.
>>98368852Maybe they'll figure out shoes in another 20 years.
>>98369506I'm surprised people are buying it for that amount
>>98369516Maybe its canadian toy money.
>>98369625could be Australian or New Zealand Dollars as well
>>98369456The marauders are newer than any of the Cathay stuff in the core box and have 3 different weapon loadouts out of the box. 4 if you consider no shield another loadouts. Relax.
>>98369625The official term is canuck bucks, you philistine.
>>98369625Sorry I should have been more specific, yea it was our leaf bucks, this box cost $240 CAD($170USD)so I sold the cathay for $120($85USD).
>>98369642Cuck bucks
Bros...I bought the box.
>>98369514More beastman than the actual beastmen, wtf. Look at the face.
>>98369789it's a good box
>>98369829It could have been better
Finished assembling/cleaning up this unit of Sellsword Crossbowmen for my Renegade Crowns projectI've used the kneeling pose from several archers kits to get the tiered ranks like they're firing over each other all at once
>>98368612I have never felt so jelly as kid me did watching my brothers woodelves get the coolest archer models ever while my shitty highelves look like fat old babushkas. And the dudes with double ended spears are so hot.
>>98369514I think I've only ever used this one as part of a mordheim warbandIMO basic units should be relatively generic so the individual modeller can tailor them to the army themeIn this case, the sculptors must have had stirland in mind
>>98369879They look amazing anon good stuff
Why I never saw online a mournfang leadbelcher cavalry conversion?? I can't be the only one who thought about how cool they lookToo bad leadbelcher are now oop and I can't find them at discount
>was looking for a possible crash course on Fantasy lore>most common answer is just to read Gotrek and Felix for a “crash course” on Fantasy loreDamn I better stop procrastinating and crack that tome open.
>>98370087Read the god damn core rulebooks and the army books!It's not hard!You can get through the important bits of each rule/army book in 15 minutes if you try!They're in the OP!Stop taking shortcuts! Engage with the setting and the game you want to learn about/play!Black Library is not a suitable alternative!
>>98370087Yeah, you better. Get the audiobooks as well, to listen at the same time as you read.
>>98370087>>98370107Next step is >I got XYZ models, please make an amry for me!
Been on painting for fun between interviews and toying with an empire army.Found a scheme I like but now try to decide if I want to keep it a "cannon" army, Ostermark or take more liberites by making it the army of Pigbarter, the outpost on the darklands
>>98370052Because there's no rules for that? Duh
>>98370087Isn't Gotrek in AoS now canonically?
>>98370306Nonsensical with dwarf life spans, or should I say duardin
Printed my beastlord finally. Had some free time this weekend.
>>98369829Yeah, it is.I'm adding the chaos stuff to my existing WoC army and I think I might start Cathay as well.
>Own a small Beastmen force from WHFB.>Like the lore.>Dislike the idea of only having Ungors and the Cygor for missile attacks.>Also dislike hordes.What do?
>>98370355wait until the army gets souped with warriors of chaos and it solves none of your issues because you are a bitch.
>>98370355>>Also dislike hordes.Join the minotaur herd and trample motherfuckers
>>98370360That is what I bought them for with my Warriors and Daemons back in the Hordes of Chaos days.
>>98370360I always felt conflicted about chaos groupingPart of me thinks it makes more sense thematically for an army to be grouped by gods. Like a beastman of Khorne and a warrior of khorne working together makes more logical sense than a demon of khorne and a demonette working together.On the other hand it loses its identity when they get souped
>>98370329What a retarded post
is marienburger paint scheme difficult?
Just painted some warriors, 26 more models and I'll have my 3rd army done (not what I wanted but fully painted 2k nonetheless)
>>98370433It has yellow, blue and red. Red and blue is very easy, yellow can be tricky and a pain if you get other paitns over it.But overall not that hard, just tedious.
>>98370345>AI slop, paintjob could really do with some depth, coomer models.You bring the rest of the beastmen players here down, and that isn't an easy thing to do.Just get some models to practice painting first to get started and maybe you can improve on your slop.
>>98370524Looking good there chaosbro.
>>98370524Very impressive, anon. I'm usually not a fan of highlighting black armour with steel, but you made it work. Good stuff. Show us the whole army when it's done!
According to the latest WD the only times the great bastion has been breached were actually part of meow ying's plan to trap the marauders
>>98370524What colors did you use for the cloak on the musician of the group?
>>98370329What does that even have to do with anything
>>98370570Red cloaks are nothing more than khorne red > mephiston red > evil suns scarlet (all mixed with each other a little bit) then washed slightly with black and with crude hatching made with evil suns scarlet and a little bit of orange
The new Chaos Knights are just as spikey as the old ones.
>>98369446If you want to include some minotaurs, you could try one or two units of 2 models each, and use them like targeted missiles. Beyond something like that, they struggle to make their points back.
>>98370565That was the story in Breaching of the Grand Bastion.I'm pretty sure parts of it have collapsed after the Slann moved the continents and been breached before.
>>98370345Awaken, Mustakrakish
>>98370536Sounds like a wild combination. Can this look good?
>>98370702Try building the former Chaos Knights as a break from building Ravagers and Raiders.
>>98370770Idk maybe you should google Marienburger troops you fucking clown
How in-depth have you gone in the backstory of your dudes
>>98370808Not very helpful but to be expected from empire players
>>98370850I am currently writing lore for the lord Nurgle warband that I haven’t even started. I have a name and some minor background, plus a couple of victories to pad his story out a bit.
>>98370889>lord of aI’m can’t writing
>>98370087Gotrek & Felix(decline in quality with each author, don't read the ET books unless you're a siggypiggy and don't care they wipe their arse with pretty much every major character) are a decent place to start with lots of perspective on the Empire and Dwarf societies and information about the stuff that gets [thing]slain.I also recommend:-Florin & Lorenzo(trilogy + shorts, rogueish Bretonnian merchant & buddy/thug go on adventures), first book is adventures in Lustria with a mercenary army, then journey into the East and gives a fun perspective on Ogres, with some general vibes about the less Hon Hon Hon Le Knightly Lords and Crusty Peasants side of Bretonnia.-Anglelika Fleischer(trilogy + shorts, cynical grouchy battlefield corpserobber with a heart of gold who falls in with a young Imperial nobleman she reluctantly saves from some Orcs by tricking them into fighting each other instead). Decent look at the fringes of human society, with bits of detail about Averland, Blackfire Pass, and the Border Princes. Also manages to have an assertive female protagonist who fucks around while not making her a flawless girlboss who can fight Ogres 1v1 and win, and without simply ignoring the reality of what life for most women would be like in a society like the Empire like modern Warhammer does by just shoving modern gender equality into the setting without justification.Together with Gotrek & Felix that should give you a decent handle on the main human(protagonist) factions and how they see their enemies. Beyond that it depends how big a taste you have for pulp fiction, just start working your way through the stuff on the wikipedia list based on what factions you like and avoid anything to do with End Times.
>>98370850I'd say a fair amount. Backstory on the general and 3 most powerful leaders under her >>98370345, the reason she's fighting the way she is, why the slaanesh army is terrorism themed instead of sex themed, why the herdstones are black fountains, and I've built terrain specifically to use in battles for it. And had my first full bore loss last week so now I'm 17-3-1 with the army. Bestigors still suck.
>>98370850I've been using them as the main bad guys in a WFRP adventure, so quite a bit.
>>98368605>but if they're priced like AoS spearheads then it's a decent deal, especially if you're into HEso many niggas selling 600 points of models on ebay for like 80-100 bucksIt sucks40k is so gay and expensive.
I have so many fucking regrets this yearwhy did I not buy that New in blister ushabti for only 25 bucks back in december/januaryWhy did I listen to /biz/ and lose thousands in a week probably going to zeroWhy did I bother to continue existing after a lifetime of failure
>>98371273
>>98371273Because every second you still draw breath is an opportunity to make better decisions going forwards, anon.No regerts.
>>98371400damn I also want whatever tower this is too. But also 1 (one) ushabti.
>>98371273Fall seven times, stand up eight
>>98369335was this meme originally intended for wolves/dogs ? feels like it but I never saw it before ?
>>98368493I think they're pretty good, I think the Beastmen one will be the best due to the nature of the format as I envision it (smaller boards, less shooting, no monsters).I'm a little sad if those leaks were true about the Dwarf BM list from the leaked book but I dunno if that's a real list that they'd sell.At least it's not like set lists and you can bring whatever, though I do wish they'd limit certain skewing profiles.I don't need to worry too much about it though, since my factions don't have boxes for it (yet)
>>98371412That doesn't make any sense. That's like saying fall once, stand twice.
>>98370087Where's my fucking second Gotrek and Felix omnibus black library, I read the original books through the public library system years ago and I wanna own them all.
>have to wait until Monday for my core set because busy weekendFufk.
I just bought the new old world core set and the defenders of the great bastion set. This is what I now have:>1 Gate Keeper on a Cathayan Warhorse>1 Gate Keeper with Battle Standard>20 Jade Warriors>5 Jade Lancers>1 Cathayan Grand Cannon with Ogre Loader and three Crew>1 Astromancer on foot>1 Astromancer on a Cathayan Warhorse>1 Familiar>8 Crane gun teams>12 iron hail gunners>30 peasant levyAny recommendations for building/loadouts? And what should I work on after this to make a complete 2000pt list?
>>98371783Trade them all for chaos warriors
Fantasy Landsknechts are the coolest concept in the entire genre of fantasy, and that's why the Empire is so kino
>>98371807Chaos Warriors are responsible for Age of Reprobates and are worthy only of the bin.
>>98371808This. I was drawn into WHFB because of the fantasy HRE vibes, instead of just generic medieval fantasy.
>>98371808its ironic that they are fielded as a slayers unit because the zweihander was used to prune pikes
>>98371571Wolf to corgi, yes.
>>98371808God I wish we had real pikes in Warhammer
>>98371783use this https://old-world-builder.com/and play around models, lists and gear, it's what you think is cool and looks good and make sense more than WAAC gimmic shit
>>98371871That's hardly fair, anon. Chaos warriors didn't make AoS happen, GW did.Chaos exploding the world was retarded, by the way. That went directly against their word-of-God wants and desires. The point of Chaos, the win condition, was infecting the world and making it an extension of the Realm of Chaos, not blowing it up. You can't play the great game on a planet that doesn't exist anymore! Ergo, latin, blame GW, not Chaos.Also, it's literally Mannfred's fault.
>>98370087Seriously man, do what this guy said >>98370107 and just read the fluff sections of the core book and army books. It's a far better way to learn the setting that reading tie in fiction where you won't get half of what's happening because you skipped the part of learning of the over all setting they're based in.
>>98371942I mean I don't know what would make sense because I haven't played the game before and don't know how an army should be built and why
>>98371997Have you read the books that came with the new core set? The battle March set?The list in the battler march group, the core set, is a good base to begin with, General, BSB, basic troops, cavalry, and a canon, them maybe add a wizard of sorts, some gun/bows for range, more troops and more cavalry more arty's always good.I admit I do not know Cathay that much, but it's Empire just asiatic and more pushed to the front
I haven't looked at the Old World rules yet but I'm interested in the Warriors of Chaos. I like warriors and knights and I'd like a giant and maybe some trolls as well. Are there any terrible units that you recommend I stay away from?
>>98372108Is this bait?
>>98372108Warriors in their current form are pretty bad from a points cost--to-effectiveness ratio.At least they were. The new rules might breathe some life into them with the new models.
>>98372112No, I really don't have a clue.>>98372113Ah, I was worried they were going to be overcosted.
>>98372108Stay away from any unit with so many spikes it physically hurts to move.
>>98372108Coming from Empire and Beastmen, they're still pretty decent; HW+shield's gives them good protection, base AP-1 and magic weapons, reroll on fear terror panic, and options to focus, granted for a cost, good stats for a human character too,
If I understand it correctly, once Settra joins a unit of Tomb Guard chariots, that unit loses Reserve Move, since Settra himself doesn't have it.That's really lame.
>>98368661The conversion and fluff are lovely
>>98371966The army books give people a completely warped perspective of the setting though. Not only are they all written to cheerlead the faction, they gloss over 99% of the setting and focus mostly on battles, and then on battles that are objectively completely outliers relative to the everyday reality of the setting.Reading only armybook fluff is how you get abominable Flanderized garbage like Total Warhammer.
Where do we go to talk about Warhammer Fantasy and other games now that this place is dead? Where has everyone gone?
How's the Old World? I used to play Fantasy a long time ago and, now that I finally have some free time again, want to get back into the game.
>>98372321its a well known fact that when people actually play they dont post as much
>>98372329It feels mostly like an improved version of 6th. Though GW is trying to make infantry more viable with stuff like Parry, which is just 6th's Sword and Board rule.Monster Lords are still strong but being limited to a 3+ save max has toned them down a lot.Fall Back in Good Order and Give Ground are by far the best additions to morale.Don't let anyone complain about Linehammer. That's good and dead.There are always things to complain about, but GW is actually actively fixing things as it goes. Albeit much slower than its mainline games like 40k and Sigmar. And as someone who plays a Legacy faction (Skaven, Orgres, Lizards, Delfs, Chorfs, Vampire Counts) I have to rely of third-party fan rules to make my army better because the PDF GW made for each of them just plain sucks.
>>98372329You're never going to find a definitive answer anywhere. I've played the game since 6th edition and I've found there are a lot of oldfags that think TOW is heresy and the creators and their families should burn to the ground. Some of them say the game having faqs every six months makes them have to re-learn the whole thing where, in fact, there has only been one big faq and it wasn't that big of a learning curve.There are others who played fantasy and play TOW and 8th or 6th depending on who they play against and are okay with every edition coexisting.To me, TOW looks a lot like 8th with a few new stuff. Some stuff I like better, other stuff I don't like so much. I like the magic system being divided into phases instead of one single magic phase, but I don't like how the majority of offensive spells feel like hitting someone with a wet noodle. But yeah overall it's pretty similar to 8th edition.
>>98372350I dunno, the biggest thing I loathed about 8th was that magic was so overpowered that it felt like you NEEDED a level 4 wizard and at least one other level 1 or 2 for channeling and dispelling or else you'd get shitstomped by your opponent.I agree that a some of the offensive magic in TOW is a bit weak, at least it doesn't feel NECESSARY to bring a wizard. Though against beastmeme players spamming Viletide...
>>98372298Thank you Anon.
>>98371400What's the material you use as a base for your tower?
>>98369460I'm out of the loop: who made these and how to replicate?Is it conversion pieces or full models from some place?Google AI has given me a helpful little story about completely different fucking models with little skull faces. Thanks google!
>>98372336Nice. What does that have to do with my question, ESL anon?
>>98372345>>98372350Thank you lads.
>>98371273>Why did I listen to /biz/ and lose thousands in a week probably going to zeroYeah, why the fuck DID you do that? That's retarded anon.
>>98372393nta but it looks like plasticard
>>98369460>halloooo everybodydoes look like him, just needs to be printed scaled up on the Z axis>>98372413they're reptilian overlords minis (STLs) with a smattering of GW heads. I think the battle standard in the back is fully custom.reptilian overlords STL kits are great btw, fully modular and very few printing issues. the holy reptilian empire range has a bunch of different infantry and mounted units, and a few characters.
>>98372329TOW is like a greatest hits edition of Fantasy that is most closely related to 6th edition. It’s got some massive improvements over older editions (giving ground and falling back in good order causing a more natural back and forth) and very few drawbacks. The only thing I don’t like that they changed is how they simplified the magic system, but I can live with that considering the game itself is still firmly WHFB otherwise.
>>98372329It’s dogshit. 8th is much, much more fun and has more reactivity, but even then it’s still a gw game so you’re not playing a good game. I think the game desperately needs to embrace alternating actions to actually be good.
>>98372538>>98372689Imagine spending literally months of your free time over the past few years here still doing this. Never change my tiny lolcow.
Snagrog scowled as he looked accross the field. Before him lay a contingent of Stunties, lined up in their shiny armour and dragging their filthy beards with them. Behind lay a devastated village of humies. They had not out up much of a fight but plenty of loot and grub!"What we gonna do boss?" Grimtoof the beleagured black orc glanced at Snagrog, who cuffed him across the jaw to remind him of his place. Snagrog could see the Stunty boss on his big shield and if he looked hard enough, saw dead 'ard looking stunties with their big hammers. They'd be a good fight.As Grimtoof picked himself up, Snagrog grumbled."Get your boyz all lined up, and tell dem wolfies we gotz some stunties ter kill. Grotfang too, da mad git could do with grub for his pigs""Wat bout de trolls?" Grimtoof pointed at the three loping creatures who had appeared soon after the village was burned. They had eaten a few of the smaller runts and seemed keen for more food.Snagrog grinned to himself. "I'z got a plan."
Got a few thousands of points of orcs and goblins laying around at my parents' place. Got them as a parting gift when my cousin passed away and never did anything with them. Which edition should I play them in if I want to have the most fun? I've heard they get rid of animosity in TOW and that makes them a bit dull
>>98371808Empire needs a refresh to bring them back. It's only Greatswords atm really >>98371940
>>98372699????Wanna explain yourself?
>>98372689No need to make shit up now.8th was dogshit.
>>98372801It had its charm. Im sure a no-games like you cant recognize that. I much prefer its magic and hordes to the hero-hammer dogshit that 6th had.
>>98372779They're still fun without animosity man. Its the units which make it fun.
>>98372807Whatever helps you sleep at night.We know you started at 8th.
>>98372746Da Plan had worked. Mostly.Grimtoof's crazy boars had managed to flank the stunty king and his hammer boyz while Snagrog and his big unz had crashed into their front. The trolls had, unfortunately decided to pick their noses. Dumb gits. The fighting was ferocious. The clashing of weapons, blood splatters and wailing of the dead and dying was deafening. The Stunty hammerers had taken terrible casualties from Grotfsng's crazy boars while Snagrog's ladz careened into their front. Shoving his way through the melee, gutting a stunty in the process, Snagrog roared a challenge to the stunty king. Snagrog swung madly, striking the King several times, denting his armour and shedding blood. The King retaliated, his great rune axe tearing into Snagrog's hide. His extra shiny armour saved him however, barely, its undented steel deflecting a fatal blow. The shield carrying dwarfs failed to pierce his hide.The Hammerers withdrew, falling back in good order, Snagrog holding his boyz to prepare another charge. Unfortunately Grotfang's Boarz in their frenzy pursued. It was in moments they were crushed into a bloody mess as the hammerwrs and king wiped them out. Grimtoof the Beleagured had met the Longbeards in melee and was struggling, neither side breaking but grinding them down. However the long beard stunties were nigh unkillable, while the orc numbers kept them in the fight.Snagrog spat. He had been injured and could see the Dwarf King preparing to receive another charge. A groan emmitted to his side and he noted the Trolls had finally found the sense to fight.
TOW looks cool but I don't like the new magic lores
how is the legend lizardmen list ? i'm debating pulling the trigger on an army using the aos models
>>98372855It’s bad.
>>98372833This was the end.There were only two Hammerers left with the Stunty King. The big uns and trolls had devastated them, though the big un boss had been killed in a challenge by the Hammerers. Snagrog had slain 3 hammerers and the trolls vomit melted a large part of the kings armour.They had lost their magic banner too and they fell back once more. Snagrog and the King met one final time. His Choppa raised and withva great WAAAGH, it tore into the Stunty King's chest, toppling him from his shield. The Hammerers threw themselves before the King, while his bearers dragged him from the field. A crazed lone stunty slayer gave ground, but was devoured by the trolls. Snagrog glanced over the bodies of the now decimated stunties and saw Grimtoof had been cut down and the Longbeards were locked in combat still with the ladz."ONE LAST CHARGE LADZ! WAAAAAGGHH"The greenskins took the day after a bloody fight. Massive losses on both sides but a good scrap.
>>98372855Use Square Based neanderthal's rules and they become viable
>>98372857how bad ? never winning a game bad ?>>98372869so from what i see the base slaan rules are retarded and they offer a fix, otherwise not much changes
Are there any recasters that do grave guard?I want to start a VC force but can't find any 3d prints that look similar to the old grave guard. Don't really like any of the AoS skeleton sculpts either
Just ordered the TOW core set at a very good price. It’s going to take over a week to get here but I am very hyped to get started.
Besides the obvious like artillery and scatter dice, templates and measuring tape - what accessories are needed or simply useful to have to play TOW? I'm toying with designing counters and tokens for 40k but I'm slowly switching to TOW and I want to design and print myself all the necessary gubbins beforehand.
>>98373141Spell cards or markers of some sort are helpful to keep track of which spell is active on which unit, because they vary in terms of length of effect. You could also use wound markers if you really wanted to but most people just use dice because it’s quite rare for something to have more than 7 wounds.
>>98372784Perfect place for pikes: the shitty skirmish game where half an army is just centerpiece figures and units are locked to 10 because GW hates player choice that may upset the balance of a game that they desperately want to treat like an esport.
>>98373483AoS is all about aesthetics and vibes, there’s not meant to be any substance or thought put into it, by design
What are the odds chaos warriors aren’t going to be complete shit anymore with furious charge and the 6+ ward?
Is there a significant difference between skeleton skirmishers and bowmen in tomb kings roster? Both have arrows of asaph, skirmishers are, well skirmishers and can ambush. What's the benefit of bowmen over them?
>>98373560I stand by the fact they are weren't bad to begin with. Not great, not optimal but not terrible. They were armoured and had awesome staying power. Won't win games solo but tough as nails.
>>98373591When they inevitably get charged, since you have 20+ of them they basically stone brick for at minimum one turn so your dudes can counter charge into a flank. It makes them one of the better ranged units because they kind of take care of themselves by simply being too expensive to commit resources too especially since, as skeletons, they can be rezed super quickly. Only dwarf crossbow/rifles are better at receiving a charge and its cause they can fight back after taking it.
>>98373629I just want them to be decent to good so I can justify bringing them. My box should be here in a few days and I can’t wait to paint them up
>>98373560As it currently stands, chaos warriors serve exactly 2 roles in competitive play: Tzeentch bunkers with the Taskmaster's Scourge and 4-5 sorcerers/sorcerer lords, and anvils. The ward save makes them better at being an anvil, Furious Charge does absolutely nothing relevant for them because they're still infantry and infantry doesn't get to charge anything. The ward save arguably makes Battle Magic less relevant in a Tzeentch bunker, but you'd still take it for Arcane Urgency, though I think people are seriously sleeping on the lore of the Shadowlands with regards to bunkers. That reserve move spell can be very effective if your bunker only exists to dominate the magic phase.This all being said, Furious Charge makes the Battle Hunger, Banner of Rage/Mark of Khorne, and Taskmaster's Scourge setup a lot better, but that's already not something people were really doing when they were playing to win. Three attacks on the charge with a mini-swiftstride is fun.
>>98373500If that were true they wouldn't look like a cheap Tenu parody of Warhammer.
>>98373669Anon, unless you are in a hyper competitive local scene with exclusive tourney list nutjobs, they are at a minimum a viable option. Hell I'd argue they still are in the former. It is also ok to ask in advance you are looking for a more casual / relaxed battle and if you really want to show this, explain you are not taking certain units and taking others like CW.
>>98373483>units are locked to 10?
>>98373102What's the point of waiting until the game is dead before starting?
>>98372108> I'd like a giant and maybe some trolls as well. according to some rumors, they're coming soon for chaos
>>98374049There’s games played weekly in my city and tournaments 2-3 times a month. Although I live in a big European city so ymmv
>>98374238I’m in Slavic Europe actually, I haven’t seen a black person irl for weeks. They play a variety of games here too. MESBG is played regularly, they even have a Fire and Sword scene and I might dip my toes into that as my first historical once I finish painting my TOW stuff.
Started working on the gor blob and also some characters. Still a long way to go
>>98368493So, no Battle March boxes for next week.
>>98374274Yeah, I would guess they come with the WoC separate releases and AJ, but it was kinda weird they announced it on Friday, they normally only do that for things getting previewed on the Sunday
10 days sober. break down at the first hurdle.oh well it was a good runand i think i figured a way to do nmm faster on the dorfs
>>98374027Because GW has been vindicated in thinking AoS players are dull-minded, every unit is exactly what comes in a box unless you use a very finite list-building resource to use two boxes instead. No variation allowed. Each box of verbnoun elf pikes has 10 dudes so each unit will always be 10 dudes.
>>98374317Just don’t drink tomorrow. One step at a time ago. Massive fan of your work
>>98374317At least your dorfs are clean as fuck anon>>98374350>every unit is exactly what comes in a box unless you use a very finite list-building resource to use two boxes instead.What the fuck are you talking about? Reinforcing units costs nothing, aside from the added points cost. It's almost always the better option too, considering the drop system (which is dogshit but that's another discussion)
>>98374317What does your addiction have to do with Warhammer?
>>98372202me in the front
>>98374403>What the fuck are you talking about?Reinforcement points are finite and you can only do it once per unit. In 3rd battle line could be double reinforced but this is "ignore mainline, play spearhead instead" edition so it's irrelevant.
>>98374405i'm addicted to buy more warhammer comorbidity and all that>>98374396i drink today to 10 more sober day starting tomorrow>>98374403they are, but i painted those soberi can still paint brets while drunk
>>98372807>6th>herohammerlol, lmao, dude you at least have to *try* with this stuff, nobody's going to get salty over bait that obvious, and even if it isn't bait and you genuinely that retarded, all you're going to elicit is momentary pity.
How have any of you guys found Ranking up the new Chaos Warriors and Knights?They seem a bit big from me test fitting them.
>>98374435reinforcement points are not a thing anymore anon, but yes you can only reinforce units once now, even battleline
>>98372883I play casual game with my friend's Lizardmen, with a fairly soft fluffly Empire list and we're pretty even in games. Tournaments though they're at the bottom along with Skaven.
>>98374486The Knights are fine unless you’re switching weapons in which case you have to test. The warriors you have to be conscious of when building.
My urban EMPIRE fantasy table is coming along nicely, but I ran out of filament!!! Now I must wait. Time to paint in the meanwhile
>>98374565i'm well used to lose games; as long as it doesn't feel like pounding sand i'm fine
>>98371940There are rules for pikes in 6thEd' Dogs of war book."Rules: Fight in four ranks; requires two hands.Always strikes first in the initial round of close combat, even striking before enemies that have charged. Note that enemies who are entitled to strike first because of a special ability or magic, will still strike before pike-armed models.Models armed with pikes receive a +1 Strength bonus in the Close Combat phase of the turn they are charged by cavalry units, chariots or monsters. Note that this bonus only applies to attacks directed against the above charging unit. not against other units.All these special rules cannot be used against enemy units fighting the pikemen's flank or rear.">Source https://6th.whfb.app/weapons/pikes
>>98374739Nice Anon, looks great so far.
>>98374739Very kino, is it just a generic empire board or is it meant to represent someplace specific?
>>98374810Holy shit that seems OP as fuck. Just got to shoot pikemen or you get shredded.
Sorry to gum up the thread, but does anyone know what model range pic related is from? Was looking for understated 3rd party empire characters.
>>98374317>break down at the first hurdle.Try non-alcoholic beer. It helps me as a crutch whenever I get back on the wagon. 8 months sober currently, it's gets a lot easier after you get past the first two months. You're gonna fail. Just gotta get back on the horse after.
>>98374883it's these guys>https://www.myminifactory.com/profile/87Axia/tribe
>>98374900Thanks
>>98374810>>98374864How many PPM do you think that's worth? 3-4?
>>98372746>>98372833>>98372866Gud an' proppa fight reporta'
>>98374257Nice Beastlord! Where is it from?
Can I build whatever 400-750pt list for battle march (with 600 being the sweet spot) with the usual hero/core/special/rare restrictions or do I have to use the exact armies in these boxes?
>>98374864Then you remember High Elf spearmen are better and go even before them due to ASF. Also reroll to hit.
>>98376014you're not forced to use the army boxes, but there are some restrictions regarding Battle march, limited characters, I think a unit can't take 1/3 of your points, max one '1 per 1000pts' unit and other things. I don't have the book.but saw a vid or twohttps://youtu.be/GisO3Egaq7M?t=466
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>>98372642Thank you anon>>98374883You say "understated" but I recognised this guy from the 6th edition rulebook
>>98375780They're 10 points each from DoW, Compared to 6-7 for Empire core infantry, see pic related.
>>98374864They're weak as piss, remember they're on ws3 s3 humans. You're hitting maybe half your attacks and from there maybe wounding half of that. So in the end you're possibly inflicting 3 wounds on an enemy who charged you, of which they'll likely save all of them. It gets even worse against cavalry. All of its power is purely psychological on people like you who see a potential 20 attacks and let their jaw drop.I've played DoW for years, they're a flank guard at best if you want to pay up the points for them.
>Making lists for WoC because cool new models on the horizon>Put chaos lord on a dragon>Character is already at 480 pointsWelp, that escalated quickly
>>98375907Just look up "beastlord" on Etsy
>>98376612Wait isn’t that dead soldier part of a recent rumor engine
>>98376603Few times Ive played with my DoW I always take a unit of pikemen. Feels wrong not to.>I've played DoW for years, they're a flank guard at best if you want to pay up the points for them.Any advice you can share?
Tried to get the new Kislev lore from videos of guys unboxing the new TOW box-set (sorry low quality pic).>mention more tibes than just the Gospodars/Ungols.>mention of Miska father, "Radii Bokha" (just like Katarin father ?)>totally removed "Tzarina" title>totally removed "Romanoff" name> new title for the ruler, "Kroloveo Loda" ??? (I didn't manage to get a clear shot of it, sorry).>all mention of Ice Magic remplaced by "Elemental Magic">in the same way ,"Ice Witches" becomes "Elementalists" or just "Witches">removed mention of "riding war bear" from Alexis (meaning there is 0 mention of any bears now).
>>98376723no way in hell they do kislev without bears
>>98376614It's just something bestlords do
>>98376723The attempt at de-Russofy Kislev is laughable.
>>98376014>>98376062Battle Mar rules are free, anons. Read them.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/
>>98376723>"Kroloveo Loda"Literally "Ice Queen" in not-Polish.KEK
>>98376723>(meaning there is 0 mention of any bears now).good, they realised how badly they flanderized Kislev so hopefully the models are fairly normal and not saturated with bear memes
>>98376723>even more unnecessary retcons & changes for Kislev's fluff Fucking great...>Totally removed "Romanoff" name Unsurprising. They'd already changed the name to Bohka in their latest physical map; the name became "problematic" all of the sudden.Go fuck yourself, Andy Law; no amount of mental gymnastics can justify this.
>>98376723>Ungol, Gospodar and tribes kino is back>less ice>less bears>de-ruZZification World is healing.
An error on GW's webstore when trying to order the MTOs lead to more than two weeks of contacting support and my bank, but I finally got my money back. Lesson learned, don't buy from GW directly.
>>98376671>Any advice you can share?Not any great advice, I lost almost every game I played. But, while I did harp on pikes being underwhelming they are a good pick for flank protection. They do still scare most players from attempting a move against them from that 20 attack shock factor, and when supported can make for a good battleline for the army. Two big units for flank detail(25ish models) or 3 moderately sized units for the core of a battle line(20 odd models to have full static res and absorb some shooting/close combat casualties) depending on how you want to go. I have found some success with using them in an offensive capacity, you lose just one rank of attacks with them on the charge, but that's still a lot of attacks coming out that play into the whole shock value of them. I've had a few games go my way just from the reaction focusing on a unit of pikes pushed forward opening the rest of their army to support charges from my cavalry units.Duellists are a very nice buy for the points, options, and stats. Skirmishers were fairly strong in 6th and could do a lot for their role. Your cavalry, both light and heavy, are very good value for points and are a good core to build a list around for speed, redirection, and flanking potential. Your special units can do a lot of heavy lifting and shouldn't be slept on, norsemen are great for their frenzy and combat capability as a count attack force. And the dwarfs and paymaster's bodyguard are very good for anchoring a line, the dwarfs especially are a quite versatile if expensive unit, they are slow still so need to be planned around. Your regiments of renown are also something to consider, they may have a rather eye watering initial points cost but they are in fact pretty fairly costed for their roles and that they're carrying a hero level character inside them.I'm rambling and losing focus, I hope any of this has been helpful.
>>98376723>Akshina tribeAren't these guys in TWW3Also, no mention of the Roppsman, which is kinda odd since they have been around Kislev lore since the 80s
>>98376723>Krolova Lodu>no bearsIf we get a more Polish, less Russian and no stupid fucking ice bear monster I may cry tears of joy
>>98376810>>98376928That's weird. What's with all this hatred of historical Russia leaking into warhammer? I get that the world is contentious and im not a fan of putin either, but this is just weird considering we have a Chinese faction now. Feels orwellian to take irl stuff this far into a wargame.
>>98376957russia fucking sucks.
>>98376957It’s not hatred of historical Russia, more so that I am happy that Kislev is becoming more flavoured culturally like Poland. I’m also glad they are expanding on the tribes and making that a focus again. Overall this sounds waaaaaay better than the TWW 3 Frozen Ice Queens and Bears Kislev.
where the heck is kislev?!
>>98376808>>Totally removed "Romanoff" name>Unsurprising. They'd already changed the name to Bohka in their latest physical map;Funnily (?) the interactive map still use "Romanoff" name.https://start-warhammer.com/theoldworld/
>>98376968hopefully on the other side of the next edition, there's just no way they'd pass it up as a launch faction.
>>98376975i think that website is done, they aren't going to update it again
>>98376957>numbers of white people killed by chairman Xi Jinping>numbers of white people killed by Putler
>>98376967Hey, that's fair. The tww stuff was annoying. I did kind of like the Rasputin guy, though. I always thought of kislev as sort of an amalgam of eastern Europe, the empire was all of central Europe, and the brets were France and Britain. Honestly, I was always curious was an estalian army would look like.
>>98376981Are we only counting drones and guns or do we count fentanyl and covid too?
>>98376968being held hostage until GW finishes rewriting it
>>98376991>fentanyl
>>98366404Hey anon, sorry for the slow response, I saw your post and meant to respond the next day but got sidetracked with irl stuff. https://gofile.io/d/vxKpMgHeres all the other DE heraldry. Some of it is sideways for some reason.
>>98368493Are there any details/quotes regarding Orcs in Goblin majority tribes beyond "getting pushed around?"
>>98377033What do you mean?Like what they do when they are on their own and not in a battle or something else?
>>98377041The former, tribe/social dynamics or whatever you call it.
>>98377047Yeah, WFRP has a couple of things like thatstuff like Tribes and Tribulations cover that
On YouTube trying to find videos on building some fantasy terrain, and it’s mostly all 3d printed stuff and specifically for DnDIt’s so grim
A few times now I've tried to convince myself to get into Old World (Because unlike old WHFB I actually know people that play it) but I just find all the factions so uninspiring to model and paint, so I never get past making a lot of models. Those of you who are into converting or making yourdudes, what factions/ideas most grabbed your attention?
>>98377146I’m kind of stuck in the same boat. I like to daydream about it but ultimately I find it uninspiring. I wish the rules actually incentivize making your dudes.
>>98377146>but I just find all the factions so uninspiring to model and paintis it the actual hobby aspect that stops you or that no faction theme or aesthetic scratches your own specific taste? because there are solutions to both
>>98377146Chaos!Even if you're not very good at sculpting or you don't really have a lot of experience converting your models, you can just paint Chaos models to look however you want them to look. If you want them to be simple and boring, you can make them simple and boring. If you want them to be complex and whacky, you can make them complex and whacky. Making your own Chaos warband is also just fun in general. Anyone can worship Chaos. Make of that what you will.However, if you don't like any of the armies, the game might just not be for you. That's nothing to be ashamed of, you know.Well, maybe it's a little shameful. Out of a dozen different armies, you couldn't find even one you liked? How picky are you? What do you like?
what's a good citadel green for a heraldic/knight theme? i'm going to a warhammer store to pick up an order later so i'm just going to grab some greens to play with while I'm there
>>98377146I've seen full conversion armies many times. Played in a tournament in 7th ed where a guy hand sculpted with clay and painted an entire ent army specifically to use as replacements for ogres. Tyrant, bulls, leadbelchers, the whole deal.If you want to do your dudes you certainly can, just pick an army who's rules you like and go nuts.
>>98377169>>98377183No faction theme or aesthetic really scratches my specific taste. I played a little bit of Fantasy years and years ago and have a real enduring love for Vampire Counts and the more fleshy varieties of Chaos(I don't care for WoC anywhere near as much as say, daemons). I know of course I could just run a daemons army and say it's Warriors or Beastmen but I like the rules to fairly closely reflect the lore/aesthetics of my armies if that makes sense? I'm also aware of the Legacy rules but I'd prefer to play something with rules that are likely to stay updated.Maybe I am very picky lol.
>>98377215So you do like some of the Fantasy armies. This is good!For what it's worth, the legacy rules are not only accepted but outright lauded by the overwhelming majority of the playerbase. No-one will deny you a game if you bring your VC or your daemons or any of the "legacy" armies (they really deserve to just be called armies with no qualifiers before or after them) to the table. The Vampire Counts specifically are also really really strong in TOW right now, so if you want to play them you won't get stomped by the other "core" (a loathsome word if there ever was one) armies. Also, those legacy rules are being updated, just not by GW. Members of the community have been releasing "Renegade" army rules for dark elves, daemons, skaven, chaos dwarfs, and so on, and they're also accepted by the overwhelming majority of the community.If you want to play VC or daemons, do so without hesitation, anon. They're going to be and have been updated. Don't be bound by GW's nonsense. They blew up the world, remember? Fuck 'em. The community is in charge now, as it should have always been.
>>98377215the easiest solution is using tomb kings rules for vampires thenYou've got your undead rules, you've got a dragon, you've even got a fluff link between the factions via the lhamians if you don't want the egyptian theme to be completely overwritten but I guess when you say vampire counts you want specifically the gothic thick goths and knights in red armor
>>98377215Just pick a mini range, edition, and art style you do like, then make an army or two for that for your own pleasure and private games, and then stick it on adapter trays for games of TOW when the time comes. It's what I do. If I could only play TOW and only use official retail GW miniatures then the hobby would be a lot less big of a part of my life these days.>I'd prefer to play something with rules that are likely to stay updatedTo each their own, but knowing what GW does with its rules updates, that sounds like my worst nightmare lol.
>>98376991you sound like a trumptard lolmaybe TOW is too complex for you
>>98376845Thanks, anon. I know dwarfs are an excellent choice for an anvil (and maybe Ill had some in the future), norsemen im unsure since frendy means they can be pulled out of position. Would they be better with greatweapons or with shield and hand weapon? Also, here's another hireling sorcerer Ive painted (who will use lore of Heavens or Light) called Sallah ibn Yubayr ibn Fadlan (still have to flesh his fluff out)
>>98377215Daemons have community rules updates and events almost always use comp too. The Fantasy/Old World scene does not play lapdog to GW the way 40k players do.
Bought a unit of the new Warriors of Chaos off ebay to test on while I wait for the core set to come back in stock. I’m still thinking of doing an undivided army, but god damn do Khorne warriors look rad as fuck.
>>98377358undivided (all black and gold and silver) or Undivided (all the colours you want, except the ones you don't like, of course), anon? Nothing stops you from taking a unit or two dedicated to Khorne in an Undivided army!
>>98377358now they're undividedyou're welcome
My experienced group wants to try the Warhammer Fantasy RPG alongside our ongoing tabletop campaign. Any pointers as to where to start? I like to DM stuff like Stars Without Number if that gives you an idea of what I'd be good with.
>>98377378>>98377379We’ll see where my mood takes me when they get here. Maybe just a skull gang, maybe a full red tide running across the field
>>98377272Warhammer?
>>98377391Really depends on what edition you have access to, friend.
>>98377378>Undivided (all the colours you want, except the ones you don't like, of course)The only reasonable form of undivided.
>>98377401I'm assuming I can download most for free, I'm interested in the most current Old World edition though but idk if I'm ready to actually pay for it.
>>98376723I have mixed feelings. On one hand Kislev being more pan-slavic and toning down the high fantasy "bear and ice and bears" aspects from TWW is good, but retconning characters is stupid, and I don't like how TOW is handling magic lores in general.>>98376730Hopefully they treat them more like griffons in the Empire: still there as a monstrous mount option and a visual motif but not everywhere in the faction.
>>98377593Just in case you're not aware, The Old World Roleplaying Game and Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay are two different games with different systems, tone and so on. WFRP is the classic one, d100 grimy investigation and so on. Set in the "modern" Warhammer Fantasy timeline of WFB. The Old World is some centuries earlier, the system is a simpler dice pool thing and the game is more heroic adventure focused.WFRP's most popular editions are 2nd and 4th, which is the most recent though there is a 5th edition coming "soon".
>>98377663I don't think I will
>>98377663>muh 40gayGo back to your containment thread, you skidmark.
Wrong thread sorry.
I have only played 6th and a singular game of 8th (still worlds more fun than 40gay) and am painting empire minis I think look coolhows this for an TOW list?++ Characters [531 pts] ++Harald Gemunsen [185 pts] (Hand weapon, Beast Reaver, Full plate armour, Barding, General)Lector of Sigmar [245 pts] (Hand weapon, Light armour, War Altar of Sigmar)Chapter Master [101 pts] (Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Order of the Knights Panther, Barded Warhorse)++ Core Units [518 pts] ++5 Empire Knights Panther [133 pts] (Hand weapons, Lances, Shields, Heavy armour, Barding, Preceptor (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)5 Empire Knights Panther [133 pts] (Hand weapons, Lances, Shields, Heavy armour, Barding, Preceptor (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)7 Inner Circle Knights Panther [252 pts] (Hand weapons, Lances, Shields, Full plate armour, Barding, Stubborn, Inner Circle Preceptor (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)++ Special Units [702 pts] ++3 Demigryph Knights Panther [216 pts] (Hand weapons, Lances, Shields, Full plate armour, Barding, Demigryph Preceptor (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)20 State Troops [135 pts] (Hand weapons, Halberds, Light armour, Sergeant (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)20 State Troops [135 pts] (Hand weapons, Light armour, Shields, Sergeant (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)3 Demigryph Knights Panther [216 pts] (Hand weapons, Lances, Shields, Full plate armour, Barding, Demigryph Preceptor (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)--How should I equip magic items?And while I probably wont paint them as pic related it is very tempting. Maybe for my chapter master since I am require to have one
>>98377913oh I should say this is only 1751 of 2kso 249 points to play with
>>98377922Slopper be ye gone
>>98370087It's funny that that's the advice given when writers for warhammer fantasy stuff were explicitly told not to use stuff from Gotrek and Felix because of how inaccurate it is on the lore. Easiest thing is to read the core books, people will reccomend different editions to you so I guess pick the edition you most like the vibe off (or go Old World core book if you just want the most 'up to date' version of the lore). Then read the army book of whichever faction appeals to you, the various campaign books they put out, etc..
>>98370355Minotaur Hordes, they're pretty shit competitively but that shouldn't matter unless you're a WAACfag. You aren't a WAACfag, are you anon?
>>98377970Not a WAACfag, but I like the idea of sheets of arrows falling from the skies, while war machines throw devastation into enemy ranks and the deathly pall of gunsmoke and roar of fire drowns out the enemy screams.
>>98376723>>98377655>make new kislev more mudcore by taking away the reddit chungus bears and high fantasy ice shit and TW aspects>make cathay exactly like the TW version with plenty of high fantasy quirky shit, reddit chungus tiger people and anime tier overpowered dragon charactersWho the fuck make the decisions for this game ? Why do they take such divergent aesthetic directions for two different armies ?>I don't like how TOW is handling magic lores in generalrulewise or in terms of lore ? because in the second case, I actually appreciate the way the Winds are handled in a more subtle and less rigid way, with a different system of specialization which goes back to the roots warhammer magic back in the early editions
Love these dudes. One of my favorite kits ever.
>>98378204>>make cathay exactly like the TW version with plenty of high fantasy quirky shit, reddit chungus tiger people and anime tier overpowered dragon charactersWhat the fuck are you talking about? You have Tigermen miniatures? There's 1 dragon lady and a bunch of people who have dragon blood in them but look like normal people? The Sentinels aren't glowing magical shite either like they are in TWW.
>>98378204>whyThey’re trying to get changs interested in warhammer and nobody likes russia. It’s simple.
>>98378239They are fun and whimsical, peak whfbMy problem was I never understood how to use them correctly. Like when I think light cavalry I think "hit and run" attacks but the structure of the game doesn't allow that and I don't think either have mechanics for that with IGOUGO
>>98378285>My problem was I never understood how to use them correctlythey are bait to pull your enemy to charge them and then counter charge with your actual hammer. Bonus points if you run when chargedIf they ignore them you get free poke shots.
Would it be too "I'm not like the other girls" to paint all my demons in greyscale and say they are demons of Mahal? Really this is just to have a demon army that has a cohesive shadowy look
>>98378204I prefer the original 8 lores. They felt more flavorful and distinctive.
>>98378496The current magic system for TOW predates the eight winds stuffGo look at WFB 1st through to 3rd edition and they are useing the same shit as TOW does
>>98378510Ehh, its not like Warhammer is averse to retcons
>>98378390I find that panting anything gray just make a it look unpainted
I'll be sad if Kislev loses bear cav and ice guard, that's the only remotely interesting about them.It's almost funny to see slavcucks seething about Kislev too. They actually think their shitty culture could sell models on its own without fantasy stuff
What do you guys think about mixing in a few guys per unit with the arrows stuck into the ground ( for faster firing ). I know they are supposed to be peasants but I feel like being peasants they might be used to sticking in arrows like that for convenience during training?
>>98378618I like it! Variety is fun!
>>98377970Minotaurs are meh, but the doombull is a legit killing machine that can almost take on anything
>>98378618I think it looks fine
>>98378523Is it still a retcon if basically everything is unreliable narrator?
>>98376723>all mention of Ice Magic remplaced by "Elemental Magic">in the same way ,"Ice Witches" becomes "Elementalists" or just "Witches"Probably because they are adding lore of Ice + lore of Tempest (like in TWW3).>>98376850Yes, they are like (Dark Elves) Shades but for Kislev.In game lore mention them to be some "secret military" force, concept art from.Fun fact, there is concept art of them looking like something very different.
>>98378628Yeah, Doombulls are dragon tier. Id argue Shaggoths too.
>>98378615I dislike the ice trail on the sleds, but most exaggerate how bad WH3 Kislev is.
>>98378645Why would a bunch of Slavs use Kunai?Certainly a change in design; wonder what GW didn't like about it
>>98378666Some things are great, the armored kossars and tsar guard look great in terms of aesthetics. The ice guard would be good if they had normal bows and not magical ice bows. Then some stuff is fucking awful like the magical ice sled trails and the giant Ice B*ar Elemental.
>>98378704>Kislev is so big, we have everything
>>98378496I thought 8 winds comes from the colleges of magic set up by Teclis, which has not happened yet in the timeline.
>>98378769Do you know we have Snow Leopards?
>>98378704>Why would a bunch of Slavs use Kunai?They reverse-engineered some during the roppsmen-khosun hyperwar
What is the most fun empire city/province color scheme to paint? I’m thinking of trying Altdorf, but Talabecland and Ostermark look fun too.
Do you reckon the battle marches' exclusion of goblins suggests a rework of their kit? I don't believe it because the riders are basically the same kit
>>98378618No one sticks arrows like that, it blunts the end and stresses the glue joint It works for retard peasants I guess but only really Brets who look like they chop watermelons in their parents back yard
>>98378814No, I think they just replaced goblins with boar boys to make a more attractive box compared to the batallion from a list building and playability standpoint.
>>98378814New Night Goblins was a random rumour from a while ago
Will 2x Empire Battle March set be a decent starter army?
>>98378852That'd be for AoS surely? They don't have regular goblins, just night goblins
>>98378645Sounds like theyre based on the Oprichniki/OprechinaIvan the Terribles secret police to keep his nobles oppressed would go around with severed dogs heads and shit (which might have influenced the bear heads helmets).
>>98378806It is the one which you paint, do it with love for the little lads who will carry such colour on the field in your name.
>>98378239They are peak. I painted 40 of them this year. I am thinking about revisiting some of the horsies in black to make them loo nicer.
>>98379038>>98378239All of them on my plate.
>>98378769But do they have fuel?
>>98378615Bear cav "on their own" are fine. The issue is the bear sleds (and the ice on those sleds). In game terms: Having bear cav as a rare choice (or even special, thats what demigryphs are) wouldnt be beyond the pale, having beards pull all their war-sleds? Garbage. Ice guard are great (even if they would 100% have to be rare on the TT)
>>98379038>>98379042Dastardly but looking good
>>98379038>>98379042You helped inspire me to start Empire. Thanks bro.
>Travel to the US>Figure I'd buy figures for the first time since my country won't ever have a mini store>$100 usd for a box of KOTR>Still have the outdated starter box for 250That's more than the online store, I thought it was GW who were Jews not random hobby stores At least the peg knights were just 60...
>>98378882It's worse than just trying to find a battalion box but it's not terrible You will need to buy some cannons though
I finally got the core set and this bitch is heavier than I expected. Now to find someone to take the chaos half off of me.
>>98379481What country you in bitch boy I might buy it from you
>>98378941>Riding black horses and led by Ivan himself, the group terrorized civilian populations. Sometimes called the cromeshnina (selected) because they were a hand-picked body,[32] the oprichniki dressed in black garb, similar to a monastic habit, and carried attached to their saddles a severed dog's head (to sniff out treason and enemies of the Tsar), or an actual wolf's head and a broom (to sweep them away).Oprichniki should be cavalry with Fear or some other effect based on leadership.
>>98379068Bears pulling sleds imo is within the acceptable territory of Warhammer stupidity. It’s the magical ice that’s egregious. I imagine when the kit comes out they’ll make it a dual horse/bear sled build like the high elf chariot.
>>98379608That could also work. But their thing as "secretive internal police meant to keep the nobles in line" does very much like up (and the name also feels like a nod, akshina/oprichina)
>>98379169Some hobby stores aren't any better than GW especially if they are the only one in the area. But for the most part they are pretty good in my experience. Sorry you got a poor one, anon. Check online and see if there are any cheaper ones along your travel plans.
I’m already bored by Kislev based on these retcons. They don’t make it any more interesting it’s just more of the fucking same. Crickey I’m almost going to miss the tww Kislev.
>>98376957It's a bit weird to have a Russian inspired Warhammer faction be so maligned because of NPCs hatred of the latest bogeyman, ie. Western European states sentiment towards the Russian government. Kislev isn't inspired by post Soviet modern Russia, it's inspired by historical Russia and Cossacks, Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. Historical Russia is a fascinating and culturally rich place, and had a very strong Christian culture and is responsible for saving Europe from Napoleon. It's very absurd to hate historical Russia, who was the victim of the soviet revolution, for the perceives crimes of the Soviet and post Soviet governments in the modern era. When Games Workshop first introduced Kislev it was literally during the Cold War communist era, and yet even then they didn't harbor the resentment towards historical Russia that modern NPCs do. >>98376967Polish and Russian are both vastly superior to more fantasy ice bear slop. But when people are talking about "polish culture" they are specifically thinking of tropes from the eastern Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, whose territory was annexed by Russia in the late 1700s. ie, it's Russian.
Progress on my 3d printed Empire urban table >>98378806Hochland, Nordland, and Ostermark. Ostland, Averland, and Altdorf are all cool colors but they are very overdone.
>>98379906>Cold War communist eraThis was only an issue with America and even then the satanic panic was a bigger issue for the setting.
>>98379906Wut.Kislev was just a blip in the background fluff of the setting until it got its book during 6th ed. In 2003. LONG after the Soviet Union collapsed.Fucking retard zoomer trying to rewrite fucking history over here.>But what about Wealm of the Ice Queen!That was 2007.
>>98379923Looks schmick bro.Is it mostly for mordheim / skirmish?Not sure how you'd go navigating bricks of 20+ dudes in there
>>98377131its my hobby dream/goal to build a fantasy house out of cardboard and stuff. theres some good youtube videos and old WD resources and shit nigga.
>>98376232Yeah, I asked because it felt like a 6th edition mini to me; detailed and nicely-proportioned compared to earlier stuff, but not as overblown as later stuff or with the size-creep of the new TOW minis, plus it has a better pose than the 7th edition Empire General kit.
>>98379971WFRP1e had it's own version of Kislev from the Something Rotten in Kislev adventure which has a lot of lore for it though I think most of it was retconned afterwards
>>98379971It didn't get it's own army book until 6th edition, but Kislev was mentioned in pretty much every single edition since 2nd. Fake grog
>>98379924The satanic panic is massively overrepresented in modern pop culture, it was never actually a very big deal. The average parent living in the 80s never even heard the words satanic panic, or even knew what DnD was for example. Pure historical revisionism
>>98377015Why hey anon. It's alright, there was no great urgency on it, and I could wait.Thanks a lot for the pics, mate! I'll be going through them.
>>98379983I'd like to use it for big battles. Skirmishers should be able to go in no problem, and simple house rules can get blocks of men in there easy
>>98379068>>98379664And this is how the Flanderization ruins things over time, slowly boiling the frog until terrible taste is simply the norm.ONE GUY rode a bear originally in Kislev. One. The Tzar, and a specific named Tzar at that, it was a particular aspect of that character and his own story. Then the boiling begins, and eventually you end up with people arguing whether the point where it all gets too silly is whether or not the Bearsled with Bearcannon pulled by Warbears escorted by whole regiments of Bear Riders has magical iceskates or not.I wish I could travel back in time and murder everyone involved with TWWH and TOW getting approved, then at least we'd only have to cope with the moderate retardation of 7th+ instead of the colossal fuckwitted mongoloidation of nuhammer.
>>98380110It was a small group of religious whackjobs who made enough of a stink for it to hit the national news cycle; just like kids eating Tide Pods did about a decade ago. There was an explosion of "concern" about what kids were up to but then when anyone who cared enough to look around saw that it was a huge nothingburger, everyone just went about their life and the handful of national news stories just became a joke about kids doing satanic things with D&D and other fantasy properties. But it wasn't a complete nothing. It was a big enough splash with the Boomers to get a really shitty Tom Hanks movie made.And of course we saw those same religious whackjobs pop up to scream and cry about satanism being advertised to children again when Harry Potter started coming out.
>>98380140>ONE GUY rode a bear originally in Kislev. One.Yes, in an army with like six units, one of them was a bear rider. Pretending the joke of an army list they had in 6th is an extensive look at what they do or dont have is retarded.
>>98380140GW only made one model and gave rules to one person riding a bear. However, they did publish (kitbashed) images of bear cavalry in their official Kislev book during 6th ed. Therefore making Bear Cavalry as a unit, canon.
>>98380140This guy is spot on.
>>98380158Notice they are Eurasian brown bears and not a polar bear in sight?
>>98380233Does the difference matter
>>98380265yeah like twice the size.
>>98380285Twice the size of what. It’s genutials? Why do you have bear cock on the brain.
In the new High Elf Battle March box, whrre is the Sea Lord character model from? AoS? WHFB? IoB? Completely new?
>>98380295you're the one who has cock on the brain, and a polar bear is twice the size of a brown bear moron.
>>98380265Yes, but you wouldn't get it
>>98380300It comes with the flying chariot as a Hero option
>>98380140>ONE GUY rode a bear originally in Kislev.And? Most armies in Warhammer have some kind of monstrous cavalry nowadays. If Empire knights can ride griffons, orcs can ride boars and dark elves and lizardmen can ride dinos, complaining about bears is pretty silly. The contrast between the realistic early modern aspects and the fantastical ones is a big part of the appeal of Warhammer. Just don't make the whole faction about bears.
>>98380338Ah thanks anon
is the empire a good faction? I like thier look but I don't want to build and paint a kinda shitty force. my buddy and I are fairly competitive so I need to be able to build a competent army.if not, are dwarves or tomb kings any good?
>>98380351>Empire goodNo>like they look Ew, Reddit is for you I guess>dwarves Awful and unfun faction for both players at a table >kangzI don’t like them but they are definitely fun to pilot for others. Either way just shut up and buy beastmen.
>>98380340Unironically, why don't you play AoS instead? It seems more your speed stylistically and aesthetically. I'm not being facetious, it's a serious question. I don't get why you nuhammer guys want to play Warhammer Fantasy but change it to be more like AoS. Just play AoS?
>>98380382>beastman fan >shit opinions Water is wet
>>98380233And? Doesn't change the fact that bear cavalry is canon.
>>98380390And why don't you play a historical instead?
>>98380428I do
>>98380437bye then
>>98380464Do you really think wargamers are locked into playing only one genre of game? Lmfao bro has been buck broken by corporate GW
Why can’t they make the empire or bretonia interesting?
>>98380140Always a good laugh to see slavcuks have a melty. Maybe you should go back in time and make your culture more interesting, that seems like a better use of time travel.The white man yearns for bear and ice, and GW shall provide if they want their money.
>>98380507>insteaddon't let the door hit you on your way out
>>98380340>>98380661I half suspect ones who cry about the bears are Empirefags mad that there are now non-joke human factions in the game now. They're similar butthurt over Cathay.Empire mecha horses are still by far more retarded than anything in new Kislev's roster. Not to mention the retardness of the "Faith, Gunpowder and Steel" faction having a shitload of magic, monster cavalry, multiple cav orders, and flying griffins, making Brettonia look like a joke.But somehow Kislev should just stay as normal spearmanni and horse only faction that has worse guns and worse magic and somehow still be on par with the Empire?
Anyone else get sucked into 'low effort hobbies' like vidya games and then regret it because another week goes by and your lil dudes got no more paint on them?Feels bad but to start hobbying again I need to organise my paints, clear some space, get back in the groove, etcJust wish I never stopped
>>98380703No, painting my dolls IS my low-effort hobby. I'm an adult, so it's not that hard.
>>98380661Actually the white man yearns for "cultural enrichment" and BBC, something your post confirms. I can see why a Muscovy faction seems bland and uninteresting to someone like yourself who gets to experience an endless plethora of exotic kebab shops and gourmet pakistani cuisine on every street corner!
Are we still doing that august painting competition thing? What are the rules again?
Does anyone know how I can make Skaven dogs of war? I want to field little dudes fighting for cheese and coin.Pic unrelated.
>>98380691Yeah they want Empire to be the only human faction and for Empire to have literally everything in its roster. It's boring
>>98380732The only interesting thing whites find in khokhols and moskal is in drone strike gore videos. That's their only contribution to culture
>>98380789Terminally online
the team who do The Old World models and rules is the same team that once worked for Forge World, right ?
>>98380691>I half suspect ones who cry about the bears are Empirefags mad that there are now non-joke human factions in the game now.That tracks. I always felt Brets should be the ones who got magic and griffins. Empire is friends with Dwarfs, so they get tech shit and Brets are friends with Elfs so they get magic shit. But noooo, Empire just has to have it all, all while their fans complain they're the underdog "normal" faction.
>>98380801Nope. GW has a pretty high turnover rate, the majority of the team was born and raised on nuhammer and know nothing else.
>>98380824weird, I found that some of the models the TOW team made looked like those made for Timurkhon maybe it's due to the use of resin in both cases which leads to the sculpting style looking similar because I found the plastic Cathay models to look highly different from the TOW minis and those of FW
>>98380855>I found that some of the models the TOW team made looked like those made for Timurkhonare you fucking blind
>>98380855Jackass
>>98380855Tamurkhan.Tamurkhan, anon.Why do people always misspell Tamurkhan? You're on the internet, yoy could have looked up how to spell it properly.
>>98380912Because it's some dumbass foreign sand turkroach name, why would we care how to spell it properly
>>98380767>pic unrelatedAre you sure?
>>98380351I feel like their kind of middle of the road every edition. Dwarves aren't particularly good, and their probably known for being the least fun army to play against. Tomb Kings are pretty competitive from what I've heard.
>>98380351They can be, but only when you lean into either obnoxious gunline (it's effective and lore-accurate for Empire and Dorfs; people just don't like playing into it) or heavily into Demigryph cavalry and a Gryphon Lord.
>>98379923Incredible work, but I really can't see these fitting in the warhammer setting
Working on my marienburgers
>>98381383Nice!,
>>98381383Very nice model, a lot of SOVL! The base looks awful tho, would be much better if it was 20mm
>>98381383Damn, I wish I could sculpt little details that well.
>>98380691The clockwork horses are so stupid. Out of all the things to make, why spend engineering effort to make something that already exists and can be easily bred?
>>98381422Eh, I want to also be able to use the warband in Old World as a unit of free company militia outside of mordheim hence the base size.I did initially try using the smaller 20mm bases but the models felt cramped whereas I feel this gives a little breathing room
Cathay 3rd and 4th wave when. I don’t want any dragon dogshit though.
>>98380963I'm not sure, really. Do you have any tips or advice?
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am i the only one getting constantly caught in ip range bans, it's making the site unusable. Some rogue tranny is just applying them all over the place
>>98381490>motor-powered carriages are so stupid. Out of all the things to make, why spend engineering effort to make some that already exists and can be easily made?
>>98381748>>98381748>>98381748>>98381748new
>>98380691The concept art at least had steam.
>>98380767skaven mercenaries wouldn't find employment unless they hide the fact they're skaven>but tilea hires anyone as mercenaries tilea is the the region most aware of skaven and their horrors, they wouldn't take themso your skaven need to hide their heads behind masks or helmets (houndskulls helmets are ideal) and their tails would need to be plausibly hidden as well, for example tied around their pants as if they were a belt or hidden behind a cape or skirt or mixed between pteruges
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