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Anon said somewhere that he liked how FW made logistics vehicles or something and I forgot to post this

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>>98375902
OH SHIIIIIIIT, AWESOME. Got a higher rez version by any chance? Im going to make versions of ALL of these at some point soon now....

>>98375906
No.

>>98375898
Know where the "gothitek t300 officer car" is from? That is OBVIOUSLY something that was available for sale at some point....

>>98375963
IIRC that one and the one to the right of it are from Wargames Exclusive.

>>98375975
FUCK YES, thank you, they got a bunch of them and they all look pretty good for being "not warhammer". Also pretty good prices too.

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Just remember that Titanicus is getting real new weapon options and not just some nonsense bits that everyone's already got enough of.

GREYSCALE EYESIGHT
SUCK THE MARROW FROM YOUR BRUSH

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i can... save him....

>>98376204
They made STLs for project morningstar?

>>98376091
Now if only they gave the FULL SIZE girls some new weapon options, but no, those fucking kikes hate money for some reason....

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The new helmets look off.

I have a question and a request, of sorts:

Which 3d creator/sculptor makes their parts most similar to GW products?
Secondly, can we have that person/group be recommended as part of the OP?

>>98376542
They actually look better painted than the old ones.

>>98376542
They're more oval than round looking, the smaller air intake on the top makes it look even more narrow at the top because of it.

>>98376542
Everything about all the numarks look off.

>>98376542
Thin ventilation crest and different ears
The big bolts on the knees and elbows are so fucking ass, but nos as bad as the gap between the knees and greeves

I'm convinced numk4 was designed way after the fact and so has the worst of both worlds: too similar to the old one to be interesting, and too different to be a straight upscale.

But since most warhammer players are legally blind, it's not a big deal, these are fine.

>>98376555
No, you retard. That's exactly how you lose yet another good source of bits/models.

>>98375902
I yearn for the times when warhammerfags were closer to train and ww2 autists than MTGfags

>>98376630
Are you one of those schizos who thinks that GW goes on 4chan instead of directly to the sites themselves? Who's retarded, again?

>>98376630
It isn't, though. It really isn't, and whoever tricked you into believing that this is some sort of secret place is making fun of you behind their back.

>>98376204
Not HH.

>>98376800
high-spec mk.4 ;^3

>>98376627
numkIII will forever be the worst and it's not even close. If you don't find these interesting it's because you never found mark IV interesting.

>>98376542
Why do all the helmets of the nu-marks look like they're scared? A big part of older marine helmet designs was always that they had to look intimidating. The new ones just look like scared puppies. Except maybe nu-Mk II, those are kinda neutral.

>>98376644
you do still get some of those guy, but it's pretty rare nowadays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh07eR9Yt44

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how are the nu-MK4 to convert, like how people convert the nu-MK6 etc?
(clipping off the torso at the belt, gluing the buttplate on etc?

little bit concerned over the front chestplate having that bit at the bottom that goes over the belt, I take it an old MK4 torso should cover up that bit if filed off?

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If I were to make my own Exemplary Battles-style unit for the Iron Warriors, would it be more apt to lean more into the Greek aspect or the siege fighter aspect?

>>98376951
Siege craft aspect. Besides some names there really isn't anything Greek about the IW really.

>>98376951
i'd like a unit of special breachers

maybe something thats inbetween normal and veteran breachers, give them shotguns by default, maybe special "shrapnel shotguns", extended special weapons list (e.g plasmagun) and perhaps a unique special rule or reaction

Are chaos knights kosher.

>>98375857
I was thinking about making a Blackshield zone mortalis list, what do you think guys, is it any good? Not WAAC good, just not terrible

1000p
Oaths of Moment: The Eternal Vendetta, Panoply of Old (VIII - Night Lords)
Rite of War: Rite of War: Blackshields (Blackshields Tactica, Gambit, Oaths of Moment)

Endryd Haar [165 Point(s)]: Archeotech pistol, Terrawatt-pattern power gauntlet, Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Panoply of Old - Night Lords, The Eternal Vendetta, One Apex Detachment

Centurion [120 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol (default), Headsman's axe [20 Point(s)], Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Vexilla [10 Point(s)], Trophies of Judgement [10 Point(s)], Panoply of Old - Night Lords, The Eternal Vendetta, Prime Unit (Paragon of Battle)
Librarian [115 Point(s)]: Force axe, Bolt pistol, Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Trophies of Judgement [10 Point(s)], Biomancy [20 Point(s)], Panoply of Old - Night Lords, The Eternal Vendetta

Despoiler Squad [120 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Panoply of Old - Night Lords, The Eternal Vendetta
• 1x Sergeant [20 Point(s)]: Hand flamer [5 Point(s)], Power fist [15 Point(s)]
• 9x Legionary [10 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword
Prime Unit (Master Sergeant)

Contemptor Dreadnought [190 Point(s)]: Paired Gravis power fists [5 Point(s)], 2x Meltagun [15 Point(s)], Havoc launcher [5 Point(s)], Panoply of Old - Night Lords, The Eternal Vendetta

Veteran Despoiler Squad [145 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Panoply of Old - Night Lords, The Eternal Vendetta
• 1x Veteran Despoiler Sergeant [10 Point(s)]: Pair of lightning claws [10 Point(s)]
• 4x Veteran Despoiler [28 Point(s)]: Pair of lightning claws [10 Point(s)]
Veteran Despoiler Squad [145 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Panoply of Old - Night Lords, The Eternal Vendetta
• 1x Veteran Despoiler Sergeant [10 Point(s)]: Pair of lightning claws [10 Point(s)]
• 4x Veteran Despoiler [28 Point(s)]: Pair of lightning claws [10 Point(s)]

>>98376963
Give them spears, make them something like praetorian breachers and phalanx warders. Spears with underslung shrapnel launchers (read: shotguns).

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>>98376951
why not both?
it's not like greek history didn't have any sieges
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Rhodes_(305%E2%80%93304_BC)

>>98376823
kill yourself

>>98376916
It's just mk4 but taller, that in itself is not interesting.
In plain english: the update isn't interesting, this has nothing to do with Mk4 itself.

>numk3
I always prefered the GW mk3, before the FW redesign. I don't dislike the FW design, that said.

What ruins numk3 for me is the trim. They should have forgone the trim altogether. I got a box of mk3 to test that out, it's just gonna be a long and tedious process to remove it.
I understand the hate still, the 5 man sprue thing is also such fucking garbage. Legion torsos died for this?

>>98377051
>Legion torsos died for this?
Lots of stuff died recently. Even the mkIV jump pack died. What a sad time to be alive.

>>98377107
Surely destroyers will save the day
t. copenhagen

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>>98377130

>>98376542
Is there a single nuDesign that looks on?

>>98376578
no they are tiny

>>98377130
GW doesn't know how to make a right hand holding a pistol.

>>98376971
They would be kosher, though some of them are a bit TO chaosy IMO. If anything i would mix parts from both normal knights and Chaos knights, make its subtle.

The biggest issue with 40k chaos shit in 30k is 90% of it was way to loud for normal applications. A light touch.

>>98376973
LC dont benefit from the eternal vendetta as much. Theyre good weapons, but if youre looking for more synergy some hammers/fists or even just axes could work well.

I dont know what those naked despoilers are going to do, at least give them their 1/5 power weapons.

>>98377177
MkII, because FW mkII looked dogshit and never had a pre-nu plastic version to improve it

>>98377051
>it's just mark IV but taller
yes, if you don't find it interesting you never found mark IV interesting, what is there not to understand? Man for a so-called 'specialist' hobby there sure are some mouthbreathers in this general.

>>98377051
This is why i just buy all my shit china cast anymore, im not dealing with GWs shitty over designed Cad cut slop were everything is mono pose, and nothing works with legion torsos.Like just fuck off GW

>>98377429
>This update isn't interesting
>but mk4 is!
>Okay but not the topic
>UGH, Mouthbreathers baka...
Ragebait or retarded? Call it.

>>98377460
Understandable decision. I don't have the proper space for a printer (yet) but that's on the list.

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>Nu Mark II
Straight upgrade, literally perfect

>Nu Mark III
Body is an improvement but the head looks weird, unless you're playing death guard, then it's perfect. Otherwise a simple head swap makes it great.

>Nu Mark IV
Haven't got them yet, but overall looks good. The lack of bonding studs is easily fixed with a drill and some ball bearings (something I already add onto my other kits). I think the new MkIV helmet looks weird but they look awesome for destroyers if you fill in the vents (pic stolen from instagram).

>Nu Mark V
I fully expect GW to fuck this up completely.

>Nu Mark VI
Great. Literally nothing to complain about unless you're autistic.

Fight me.

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>guy is writing eldar and ork rules for HH
>"heres my new art for the factions"
>its AI slop, not even good AI slop
>gets told its AI slop
>starts using AI for automatic responses to people telling them to unfollow the page if they dont like it
>eventually locks the comments due to criticism and acts like its everyone elses problem, not his

are 30k fans normally like this? or is it just a "content creator" issue?

>>98377784
At this point, anyone using AI, if they are smart, will just lock the comments right from jump street and not respond to the bitchers and complainers. Like it or not, AI is being used for EVERYTHING in some way shape or form, even if its just a filter to add some sharpness or something to the finished piece. So the "anti" crowd will NEVER win. This is like when digital art hit the scene, people bitched and moaned back then, but eventually they had two choices.

Adapt.

Or die.

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>>98377818
yeah except i'm fine with that
after all, it's a tool
the issue is when people use it to replace anything they could possibly learn or attempt to do (i.e what he did)

I could probably make a good-ish looking logo for orks in HH in an afternoon, even without AI using GIMP or pirated photoshop

the issue is that he made shitty looking logos without even attempting to make them look good (looks like he used chatgpt's free image generation, can't even be bothered to pay for the better one), got called out and acts like he's right and everyone else is wrong

my issue isn't AI
it's AI slop

>>98377818
>Like it or not, AI is being used for EVERYTHING
Then why isnt everything getting the backlash?Much to think about.

If people can tell youre using AIits because youre using it poorly, as a crutch rarther than a tool. The quality ultimately speaks for itself, "everyone is doing it" isnt something you need to defend yourself with when you end up with something good.

>>98377890
>why isnt it getting the backlash

Because some people are using it subtly instead of just full on auto generating shit with it. Using it as filter layers and shit instead of saying "grok, generate me CP". I wouldnt be surprised if script writers have been using it since before it even got released to the public, but thats just my own little paranoid theory.

And im not "defending" anything. I am perfectly fine with fucking AI, ive never had a problem with it. Are retards flooding shit with AI slop? Of course they are, its a birthing pang. Every time some new tech comes out, it starts with a flood of useless, degenrate or trivial bullshit until it gets refined and all the retards and gooners get filtered out of it (or at least get filtered into their own containment lane) leaving nothing but those who know how to use it properly. Jesus, every major version of physical media got its initial boost by getting adopted by the porn industry, and AI is no different. Itll take some time, but soon enough no one will be able to tell if its used or not.

>>98377784
It's a "content creator" issue. They're all people with over-inflated egos who only want to hear others say how amazing they are.

>>98377818
Your stocks in ChatGPT not paying dividends, buddy?

>>98377973
Nah, its not even that, its artists who have spent their lives doing commissions (and ALWAYS without fail, ultimately bitching and moaning about because like 90% of their commissions are shit like diaper fur toddlercon) realizing that the slop that they (supposedly hated) creating can be done at industrial scale by ANYONE now. They are scared that their bread and butter is now gone. And the sad part is, it really isnt, it just means they would get more commissions for doing the things they always wanted to, but they are so USED TO doing the "easier" shit that its just become a self loathing feedback loop for them.

The smart ones are the ones learning the tools and figuring out how to blend it all together instead of whining and bitching to their little bubbles of yes men and paypigs online about it.

>>98377992
Nigga I aint got no cash for that shit.

>>98378022
Dude, this is about people calling out bad artwork that happens to be AI. Doesn't matter how it was made, if it art looks bad it is bad. And rather than accept the criticism and improving it, the creator locked comments.
So why are you sperging out about muh sloppa bottom tier artists whining about AI?

>>98377932
So in other words: my point. If everyone is using AI, but only some people get shit for using AI, those people use AI poorly.

I want a leader for a detachment of outriders for my sons of horus. Doesn't matter whose leading it, as long as it makes sense for them to be on a bike. Any suggestions?

>>98378152
Like a commander of some sort? Probably as simple as a centurion on bike. But a chaplain or herald on bike could be cool.

>>98378077
NTA but the opposite of this is also true.
>Doesn't matter how it was made, if it art looks bad it is bad.
If art is good, its good no one cares where it came from and this is why some many twitter artists are losing thier shit over AI.

Fact of hte matter is, like 90% of the work commission artists do, the commisoner does not give a shit about how they get the product they just want the product.
You can think of it like mini painting.
If I pay someone to X amount to paint me a unit of white scars i dont give a shit how long it takes them, how they did it, or what they had to go through in order to make it look to the quality they are offering, i just care about the result and end product.
If some one else is doing it for Y, and its the same quiality, ill go with them if Y is less then X, and i dont care if they use an airbrush instead of hand painting, if Y is less then X ill go with that and i dont give a shit if the guy who charges X thinks air brushes are not real art work in minitures

Most of the rage against AI is from people who dont want to accept they are not artists they are just producers of a product, they rent their artistic talents out, and they are pissed a machine came along and can do it.

>>98377818
>the "anti" crowd will NEVER win

well short of some kind of prolonged global energy shock

or the datacenters not getting built before users decide the increasing costs aren't worth the limitations of the models

or an artificial chip shortage that makes even replacing existing equipment prohibitively expensive for consumers and businesses, so they end up running old junker models that can't run next gen ai enabled features that come as standard, so everybody who makes software ends up getting hosed on products they can't sell, or even give away for free like, I don't know, operating systems, or AAA games they spent billions developing

or something dumb happens like, I don't know, a guy trying to save his own ass from jail because of all the stuff he did on pedo island released a whole bunch of fake ai ufo vids as part of a scam even scooby doo would see right through and suddenly the public want ai manipulation outlawed and investors simply divest themselves of ai overnight and the whole thing basically ceases to exist as the money dries up

i mean did you really think thiel or smurshk or whoever was really gonna bankrupt themselves for your right to shit in your hands and smear it on the walls? the only way shartlink starts sending cp gens to space is if someone figures out a way to live on mars without dying of radiation poisoning and the old martian slave colonists dream they all had somehow comes true, putting the dom in freedom

but the chances of that happening are remote right

>>98378254
>Data center
Anon you dont need a data center for AI generation, you can do it at your home on your computer its not hard you just need a card that is of or better htne a 3090 and you can do it on a local model.
Data centers are for running massive models for things like chat, and generation of programs and shit, not image generation, image generation is fairly low power/useage.

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can we focus on the topic at hand which is the shitty ai "art" in >>98377856 and the content creator who made it rather than a whole debate about ai in general

thanks

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I think if I was writing fan army books making shit like the random marginalia is as much as I would be comfortable using AI for, and even then I could probably just render something. Faction logos are also a big deal and should be recognizable in flat colors, so a random busy shart is a fucking terrible idea.

>>98375857
Nobody's noticed she's in the OP

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Don't dignify tranime with a (You)

>>98378371
Our queens banner flies high but the king is nowhere to be seen
Are they fighting again?

>>98378152
Mounted siege breaker.

>>98378152
Isnt that what a centurion is for?

>>98377664
I agree with all except nu-mkiii is just a straight upgrade, but yeah I would rather have the helmet with a more wedge shape like the old mkiii

>>98377784
It's just a 40k issue, like people wanting to play xenos in HH. I knew what you were getting into the moment you mentioned orks in 30k, that one seems to get out the worst in people.

>>98377664
I would say most of them are about roughly equal sidegrades rather than upgrades, but I'm fine with them overall.
My bigger issue is the choice of order. They should have left updated mk3 and mk4 for last and hit all the ones without a plastic kit first.
That they all do the exact same 5 poses is also a little lame, but that comes down to preferring the old way of separating torsos and legs, which is a ship that has sadly sailed.

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What's the appeal of the World Eaters?

>>98379309
Booty warrior legion

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>>98379309
>what's the appeal

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>>98378287
How about you post some models instead, nigga.

>>98379362
Fucked up how this one panel doomed the reboot to be mobileslop

>>98379372
nice grey plastic dood you ever paint anything goofy ass bitchmade pussyboy

>>98379417
At least he actually owns models, unlike you.

>>98379417
Let's see your masterpieces, Michaelange-faggot.

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>>98379309
They have a pretty color scheme, also >>98379362

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>>98379420
>>98379426
you could be painting your models instead of seething

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>>98379309
Free chainaxes.

>>98379437
I would suggest you doing literally anything productive for once in your life, but it's pretty evident that you're incapable of that.

>>98379455
>being this mad over your grey tide
your grey tide is like the wet fart skid mark you leave in your pants while waiting in the lunch line for your root beer tuna float and boil bag of veggies, no shrimp
everyone notices
everyone is mocking you
people will talk about it when you are gone
you will be remembered in a negative light
just paint them anon, it's a component of the hobby you pretend to be part of

>>98379470
At least an anon with a greytide will be remembered. You will be forgotten, like all poor quality shitposters are.

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Does anyone here have experience setting up events?
I think the biggest issue besides the venue and attendance is probably the terrain. Do you just have to have a massive amount of terrain to furnish the multiple tables necessary or are you expected to ask people to bring stuff to supplement your own? Obviously I'd prefer not to use cheap slop like mdf but even scratchbuild terrain takes a ton of time to make and more importantly, storage space and along with the logistics of transportation.

>>98379309
coolest lore, primarch, colour scheme and playstyle plus the best novels in the heresy series.

>>98379546
>Do you just have to have a massive amount of terrain to furnish the multiple tables necessary or are you expected to ask people to bring stuff to supplement your own?
both
ask around see if people or other stores can lend you some, have a lot of your own
if you're doing events get your crew together (you're not doing it solo right?) and have a terrain making night every other week for a couple months, spend one night making toothpick cactus trees, one night making hill, one night making bunkers, etc.
you'll have a shit ton of stuff, just stack it in milk crates or something

>>98379593
I do have a handful of close buddies and I'll ask them but I feel that as we get older, the less and less time they're willing to put aside time for anything besides their wives/girlfriends.
It's a struggle to get them to come to the monthly meet ups or to even paint their models much less help me spend a weekend day to glue together foam into cacti.

Sad news lads, I emigrated to a Central European country with hopes of finding a HH scene upon arrival. While there are plenty of other games here being played (including historicals I’ve never heard of before which is new coming from NA) I’m sad to learn that HH died with 3.0 here. And I’m in the second largest city in the country.

Maybe Zone Mortalis will revive it a little, if it does I really want to start HH because 40k post 7th sucks ass and also I like the look of the old marines to the Primaris shit marines

>>98379644
zone mortalis is arguably harder to get into than normal 30k unless you are willing to make concessions about make believe terrain

>>98379656
>ZM has to be corridors.
I really wish this idea would die already.
ZM does NOT need to just be narrow hallways, ZM is meant for any area that is high combat high attrition rate.
Fore example, you could set up a town square, big foutain in the center, Buildings around the edges of it, and then like 3 pieces of big LoS blocking terrain like a LR as a disabled land raider, toppled building, big ass pile of rubble. That makes for a great ZM board.

You can honestly play on like kill team stype boards you just need to treat terrain as LOS blocking to create kill zones.

>>98379700
It doesent need corridors specifically, but it needs a lot of terrain very densely packed. And terrain is generally harder to come by, especially for a new player, than models.

>>98379546
Wow those space wolves look great. Very torn on what legion to supplement my Auxillia. Not really enjoying painting DA, going to paint a SW and a WE and see if I feel anything.

>>98379750
Terrain is not that hard to come by, you can drop like 200 bucks on Pegasus hobby gothic sets and boom there you go, a 4x4 worth of stuff. Or if you wanna turbo splurge you can buy 2 of these and have enough for a 4x4, if you bought 3 of them you could easily fill a 4x4 with more the nyou would need and honestly, spedning 200-300 bucks on terrain is not that much.
https://deathraydesigns.com/product/warp-strider-killing-ground-bundle/

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Fresh leaks!
>The next journal tactica covers the second half of the dropsite massacre, ZM’s changes to vanguard become a regular rules change. Rumored tartaros refresh as well, expect to see the “Siege Squad” codified in the same way veteran breachers were. Less emphasis on line units squatting objectives. Pardo and Valrak will have more.

>>98379782
no one is saying terrain isn't accessible but to tell a new player that they also have to spend the equivalent of a starting army on just the terrain to play ZM is asinine

>>98379799
Anon you are gonna spend that much if not more to set up terrain on a full 4x6 board, you cant escape the fact you gotta spend money on terrain.

>>98379782
>you can drop like 200 bucks on Pegasus hobby gothic sets and boom there you go
Yea, thats quite an investment.

Not impossible of course, but between "spend 200+ on terrain" and "just get a full size army instead" many people will choose the latter and play with LGS terrain.

>>98379791
whats the source?

>>98377784
>guy tries to do something cool for the community
>childraping homofaggot "artists" and their faggoty enablers chuck a melty
>guy tell them to take it or leave it
>faggots continue acting like he's Hitler
>tells the faggots to fuck off and stops dealing with them

I dunno man, seems like the "problem" here is you got righteously BTFO and came here expecting sympathy when this is probably the only place left online where people will call you what you are: a degenerate furfag "artist" terrified of losing your income and/or a retarded Luddite. If you want fellow anti-tech retards to play Soggy Biscuit with I suggest reddit or instagram.

>>98379644
That's impossible, I was told the game grew with the launch of 3.0!
Get a group going with your preferred edition. Helps to have 2 armies to attract new players.

>>98379890
Latest leaks from someone play testing the next journal tactica updates

>>98380017
Ah, so bullshit then. Everyone knows GW doesent playtest/only playtests very in house.

>>98380031
Sure retard, does your uncle work at GW too?

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>>98379791
Most of this seems believable, along with the stuff you (?) posted last thread, but until I see some kind of screenshot or whatever I'm contracturally obligated to call it Fake and Gay. Especially since you're invoking pardo and valrak.

>>98379949
>anti-tech retards
right, because Big Tech™ has definitely improved our lives over the past decade and a half..

>>98379843
>go to LGS
>there's generic terrain free to use
wow!

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>>98379309
Best colour scheme.
Also every else about them.

>>98380168
I mean yeah thats the actual answer.

>>98380223
>png
Model looks great overall, but the helmet looks like shit.

>>98379791
>expect to see the “Siege Squad” codified

Siege Squads are more ZM than open-plains like the dropsite massacre

honestly if you're bringing 2+/5++ reaper autocannon squads outside of ZM where they can get swarmed and pulled down by light infantry instead of annihilating elites that don't have the range to even return fire you can fuck right off

fucking obnoxious unit

>squatting objectives

I mean if they're literally just going to make Line obsolete by doubling Vanguard values why not do that from the start? Blood For Blood already hands victory to the fucking Custodes dreadnoughts anyway

>>98380103
I'd like to say it's all bullshit but every edition seems to fall apart when they add ZM to it, it's like a wizard's curse or something

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>>98379309
unpretentious murderers that even prior to the nails simply lived for war and killing
the war hounds were an extremely capable shock assault force and little if anything was lost in that regard when they became eaters
besides that there's lots of ground with them for romeaboo shit, beeg mercenary legion coming down upon the empire that fashioned it vibes
to speak nothing of their nearly overriding close combat preference

>>98380223
I don't agree that the helmet looks shit, but dear God why would you paint it like that?

>>98380458
Because its disturbing.
>>98380444
Yes. Exactly.

>>98380444
Careful Anon, you may have an eternal lawsuit on your hands.

>>98380513
It's not disturbing, it's just retarded. It makes him look like an annoying orange character.

Saturnine command seem kinda nice in zone mortalis. 3 man popping out of deep strike should melt power armour pretty effectively, and thunder hammers striking slower, only wounding on 3's, and needing 2 unsaved to kill mean they are awkward for normal termies to deal with.

>>98380736
DESU the real sleeper unit im thinking is gonna be Siege terminators with vanguard 3, giving them all auto canons or even all plasma and then slapping on power weapons are gonna make them scary as fuck.

>>98380961
assuming they don't change any more than vet breachers did, the options are power weapons as standard or chainfists

and if the Blood For Blood shit is sticking, it becomes Vanguard (6) instead of (3), which is probably not gonna happen as a permanent thing for normal games

>>98380444
please no shitlips posting

>>98380961
I started building a unit of them but once I looked at the wargear again I stopped being convinced that they're worthwhile. Plasma blaster and reaper autocannon are only okay outside tsons. Plus no power fists or hammers.

>>98379470
'grey tide' is not a pic of some guys model on his desk you subhuman retard

>>98381176
>paintlet screeching

>>98380223
what was the reason for the bunny ears? something about marking them as madlads or something

>>98381120
They are worth it, in normal games i run them with auto cnaons, 2 axes, 2 chain fists, and a power fist. They make a WONDERFUL thorn in your side unit.

They do just enough damage to bull Vet and MEQ, and just enough to be a threat to things that are value able. BUT Becuse they are terminators, you cant just plink them down with bolters or even Heavy bolters, you gotta turn AP2 weapons on them, and thing is, it feels bad spending AP2 on a unit that is just really fucking annoying.

I march mine center field next to my rapiers as body guards and just start laying into MEQ units and push them off points.

They also make great cheap AA, 15 Auto canon shots hitting of 5s i think, and doing 2 damage is great, you can intercept with them, and with how thin Aircraft are they are a reasonable threat.

>>98379546
traitor SW? I spot an eye of horus

>>98377664
poverty takes

>>98377460
Same here.

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what kind of faction wide buffs would make sense as a catch up system for a campaign?

>>98380103
Is Big Tech™ in the room with us right now?

These motherfuckers are out there buying governments wholesale, engaging in gigascale market manipulation to dump their rancid stocks on index investors to cash out them and their buddies, and continue to exist in an endless ouroburous circlejerk of mutual contracts to prop each other up and, what, you think shouting abuse at a guy trying to make a cool project for the community because he DARED to use an image generator rather than engage in a futile attempt to beg selfish prick poncey artists to help out(I've tried to get artists involved in community projects as well, they're literally the worst people alive - one such fucking cockroach once demanded to be paid to design a flyer for a charity event benefiting a local fucking *children's hospice* despite everyone else donating their time & skills for free, they're subhuman every last one) is going to do anything other than make you look like a fanny?

If you actually believe in this shit then stop being a pussy and start blowing up buildings, otherwise pipe the fuck down.

>>98379993
Brother, I am a student with a limited budget. I can’t financially justify becoming a hobby champion in a place where the game is straight up dead (last post on the community Facebook group was 2025, historical niche game groups here have monthly tournaments for contest).

My only hope is for the game to be revived in the near future, then I can justify jumping in. It really sucks because 40k is so so gay in terms of gameplay and the competitive vibes and I love the older marine aesthetic and pre 8th edition core gameplay HH is based on.

>>98381782
why not just make a post and see who's still kicking

>>98381745
Stop your diaper-plumping crashout.
Every reasonable person abhors the use of AI, and rightfully judges anyone low enough to use it. Now get back on topic.

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>this thread
And a good morning to you too.

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>>98381280
"In lore, the World Eaters version of the horn pair came from Angron's adopted homeworld of Nuceria and was originally known as the caedere remissum. They were used to mark out arena warriors who had completely given themselves to blood lust, abandoning all other cares and concerns in life."

>>98381280
Metal horns

>>98379791
>Tartaros refresh
1) How will they ruin it?
2) >Horus Heresy Game
>Heresy Armor last to be available
Incredible

>>98379372
Bring me closer, I want to hit them with my hammer

>>98381285
>single attack donkey punchers

>>98381885
>How will they ruin it?

Let me see.

>wasp waists
>smol power fists
>sold in two different boxes
>has either completely different, or identical weapon overlap to nu-Cataphractii
>most of the body sprues are wasted on various alternative vanity options you never asked for, let alone wanted
>without the half & half pteruges, they'll find some other way to waste space
>no newer plastic character equivalences in sight for another few years
>Aquilons will probably mog them

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The two top vents have shrunk which annoys me for some reason.

>>98381898
At least SOMEONE got it! Thank you!

>>98379372
Which one of those newfangled big expensive tanks work best with the current ruleset?

>>98376542
Helmet is ok, could be a tiny bit bigger. The MK4 one is more like the resin one than the old plastic one.

The main problem with the new armour is the arms are way too short

>>98379568
>primarch
I always found Angron to be a bit of a cocksucker. More so than Peter Turbo.

>>98382074
Impossible, not even fulgrim sucks dick better the perturabo

>>98375857
emperor bless u anon, for she has returned

>>98382074
he's cucked but he knows it whereas the other primarchs are cucked but don't know it, maybe with the exception of the khan.

>>98381986
I think only Fellblade is worth it
Glaive is extremely over costed and Falchion only has two shots I think, so missing hurts a lot

>>98381965
The merged bottom exhausts are so off-putting.

>>98381986
Glaive is good at deleting units in power armour or worse
Falchion is good at pointing at enemy armour and provided you don't miss you delete them
Fell blade I have yet to use but seems to be a happy medium between them

>>98382383
Fellblade is good because it is so flexible. It can eviscerate 3+ save infantry, but also do good damage against vehicles.

>>98379791
Didn't GW say at the last Custodes preview that the next journal will be about the custodes POV during the Burning of Prospero

>>98381965
The abomination on the left is the numkIV? Disgusting

>>98376332
still mad i can't give my reaver or nemesis titans plasma cannons

>>98380357
>>squatting objectives
I never understand the complaints about this. Locally the meta has evolved past that ages ago. There are just so many ways, units and weapons to heavily punish something squatting on an objective. Do all HH players just refuse to use any units they didn't get in the AOD starter box or something?

>>98382744
Looks like the residential LGS tranny

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How do you feel about Dreadnoughts holding their melee weapons?

>>98382744
When I get throat cancer, im going to seriously look into having a vox apparatus installed into my throat and become an IRL noise cultist. May as well, would be pretty neat and id NEVER be forgotten (especially in the body mod community as well as the WH community).

>>98382933
Just stop smoking you stupid nigger

>>98382931
It's cringe as fuck.

>>98382931
I wish more modders made 3rd party contemptor dread style weapons, especially croziuses. I have like 14 cont dreads im waiting to build, and I want one of them to be a word bearers chappy...

>>98382937
Already WAY too late for that, fren.

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new aquilons

>>98383025
Hope it's just the bad poses, because that doesn't look promising...

>>98383025
>the exact same tiny fists and huge shoulders as cataphractii
Pour one out for tartaros boyos

>>98383025
what a downgrade wow

>>98383039
I'm probably gonna get one or two boxes of the current tartaros, before they will be replaced with whatever trash GW is gonna come up with.

>>98383093
probably a good idea, I had to do that with mkiv

>>98381965
what an abomination troonpack

>>98381824
Cheers good sir.

>>98382556
yeah and Tzeentch demons

>>98383126
Not gonna lie, real curious as to what the tzeentch daemons armylist is gonna look like. All the stuff in the journals has been surprisingly well done so far.

>>98383025
The fuck is up with those poses

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why do they not use the new guardian models?

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>>98382224
I get how the traitor primarchs are cucked but what about the loyalist ones

>>98383222
Because of their poor reception perhaps

Hey anons, I'm just getting back into the hobby from 4th/5th ed 40k. I'm making a praetorian command squad for my praetor and I want to give them axes, either chain or power to keep with the sons of horus theme. Should I give them combat shields or just stick with bolt/plasma pistols? I can't decide, the ++5 from the shields could be nice. Pistols still give you an extra melee attack right?

>>98383424
>Pistols still give you an extra melee attack right?
Nope, they don't. Take the shields.

>>98381782
Give me some time. I’m working on it. Hopefully it will reignite your community.

>>98383222
They want to sell the shit 40k terminators

>>98382252
Glaive needs a chance to breach and come down points. It’s good after that.

>>98383521
I'd be in favour of it having more shots. Getting through armour by volume of fire seems more thematic for volkite.

>>98383222
Is this for 40k or what? Because those are the 40k terminators alongside them

>>98383650
Custodes are explicitly advertised as being for both HH and 40k now. Very weird, considering how anal GW has been about segregating every game and model range.

>>98383603
So take it from 12 to 16? My original plan was to give it breaching 5+.

>>98383666
They are, and yet 40k has a lot of exclusive units (especially in 3e).

Unless they plan to add those in the upcoming prospero journal I guess.

>>98383679
Something like that. And give it Pinning or Suppressive too. The deredeo and kratos volkite weapons have one of those special rules each, always felt weird that the even bigger volkite weapon has neither of those.

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how do I make this thing not ass?
>volkite is high strength and can go into light vehicles
>deflagrate does fuck all
>can ID things at S8 vs most marines
>has awful AP so they usually make the save

>>98383701
I think what it really needs isnt even "more damage" or "a way to cripple (it should kill).

The issue with the glaive is that it has effectively one gun, and that gun is meant to kill whatever it fires at, but it fires at cheap infantry. Cool, you killed 10 tacticals or whatever, big whoop!

The glaive needs a way to do damage beyond its main target. Have its deflag hit all enemy units within 6" of its target, so that it has a chance to do more than overkill one unit of marines.

>>98383728
How about this instead? “Sweeping Beam of Death” (name subject to change) any models within 6” of original target take a hit at weapon profile. This showcases the glaive slot turning and cooking things in a general direction. Maybe give suppressed and pinning as well? Or one of them?

>>98383755
>“Sweeping Beam of Death” (name subject to change) any models within 6” of original target take a hit at weapon profile.
This is called "blast" anon, you are looking to make it a blast weapon. Which kind of gets back to the issue im talking about.

Imagine if instead of 12 shots or however many it has (18?) it just fired a 6" blast. Does that change anything? Not really imo. It still kills whatever unit it fires at, but so does a conversion beamer. It will kill whatever it fires at (if the proper target) and then thats that.

You need to find a way to let it have an effect beyond "remove a unit of tacticals a turn" without also just making it either "removes any unit a turn" or "removes a quarter of the battlefield".

I do like the idea of making the status check AOE though, something something "blinding scourge", anything hit by the deflag/deflag AOE has to take a suppressive(2) check.

>>98383790
It has damage 2 though. It won't just vaporise a tactical squad, any flavour of 3+ save veterans will get annihilated too. And those can easily be two, three times the amount of points tacticals are.

>>98383790
It struggles to kill terminators or 2+ saves. That’s why suggested it be breach 5+. With 12 shots it can do some work but breach 5+ keeps it from being too much. Good against infantry and not just tacs. Maybe slap on the status you suggested. What do you think?

>>98383807
>It struggles to kill terminators or 2+ saves.
That is part of its identity though. The glaive has always struggled to kill 2+ save infantry, but absolutely decimated MEQ and light infantry. This has always been part of its lore as well, with the glaive seeing the most use against Orks.

>>98383833
1st edition glaive was AP 2.

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>>98383222
In the previous diorama shot you retard

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>>98383222
>why do they not use the new guardian models?
Don't be obtuse

>>98383837
Huh, so it was. Thought it had to be AP 3 because everybody was always whining about how bad the glaive was. Never seen one used.

>>98383965
Yea so based on 1.0 I figured meet in the middle and give it a chance to force an invulnerable or get evaporated. Seems fair and way better against tougher troops.

Not a fan of how static the nu-aquilon look, I'd hate to have another saturnine termite situation but I hope they're at least a bit more posable

>>98383727
Make it a hellstorm flamer

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>>98383025
>>98383222
>Aquilons redesigned to be Custodes Centurions
Bleak

>Just finished building an Arch-Magos Prime

>Now I am really REALLY regretting getting back into this hobby....

He is BY FAR the single WORST figure I have EVER FUCKING BUILT, BAR NONE. So many microscopic pieces that did NOT need to be separate molds, his body is fucking hollow so I am going to have to fill him with green stuff just to safely pin him to a base so he can look nice and not have glue blobs on his little spider feet....

FUCK MODERN GW and their "designers", seriously....

>>98383025
two different ranged weapons

>>98383807
the glaive? no it fucking doesn't it's 10/108 ie under 1/11 for any 2W 2+ <T6

struggling to kill terminators is 1/27 for bolters

>>98384307
Would you argue the glaive just needs to drop in points then and no other changes? I’m assuming your math is correct and 9% of the time it’s killing a 2w 2+ model.

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>see new mark 4 with studio paintjob
What the fuck, these look like shit
>see the same minis painted by a hobbyist
What the fuck, these look great

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https://strawpoll.com/3RnYXMRXAye

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>>98384339
wow, I guess it's true no one here plays

>>98384335
Many such cases

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>>98384339

Ugh why did I bother.

Atleast 2.0 chads confirmed.

>>98383801
So does a conversion beamer. Or a krios. Ap3 D2 isnt super rare.

>>98383807
>It struggles to kill terminators or 2+ saves.
Which it should, thats its identity. Its like saying "the falchion struggles to kill infantry". Good.

The glaive exists to evaporate large numbers of lower quality troops, the falchion exists to kill single high value targets, the fellblade exists as a sort of compromise between the two.

>>98384479
That's not the point here. There's plenty of AP 2 dmg 2 as well, not to mention Breaching 5+ with dmg 2

>>98384335
Yeah I dunno who decided SoHs needed to be neon green

>>98384335
GW studio paint jobs have actively been detrimental to the sales for years now, no fucking clue why GW still sticks with it.

Does the Glaive's gun have Panic? It should.

>>98384666
so should bolters
when firing into baseliners

>>98384666
>>98384678
What if they caused a panic test by killing at least 25% of the unit they shot at?

Oh wait.

>>98384690
hey ur rite

>>98384485
Gotta disagree. It was AP 2 in 1.0 and had a beam profile. In 3.0 the glaive is absolutely the fuck not worth 650. It should have a chance to be smoking models at AP 2 in the least. The fluff said it was used to kill apex xenos as well as hordes. It should be AP 2 but I’ll throw a bone and say AP 2 sometimes. Did you not play 1.0? The fellblade is miles ahead and even has status for its Anti infantry cannon. The glaive would be better with breaching (and perhaps suppressed) but too much with native AP 2. Matches the fluff more and does what it should a little better.

>>98384706
>The fluff said it was used to kill apex xenos
Anon, carnifexes and hive tyrants are 3+ armor.

>>98384711
I will refer to 1.0 and stand by it. I don’t think the glaive is gonna be too much at AP 3 breach 5+ in 3.0. There were no Tyranids in the great crusade.

>>98384666
I think it should have suppress. We have precedence for it.

>>98384740
>There were no Tyranids in the great crusade.
No, there were simply various nondescript "apex xenos", which would have been high toughness, lots of wounds, 3+ armor.

>>98384746
You have no evidence to back this up. I do. 1.0 sets the benchmark and to that we shall make adjustments in spirit of. I’d argue the opposite. Some of the xenos were so nuts in the crusade that it requires the most devastating arsenals known to man. AP 3 breaching 5+. Pray I don’t set it to native AP 2.

>>98384760
>You have no evidence to back this up.
Except the stats for what passes for apex xenos in 40k, nids. You mean.

As opposed to "idk, probably required Ap2, trust me guyz"

2+ armor is rare, especially outside of space marines (the "armor" faction).

>>98384765
I’m done arguing with you about tyranids you 40k tourist. We won’t get off topic from 1.0s rules. The fluff is there and so are the rules. I will be making the glaive AP 3 with breach 5+. Don’t like it? Tough. Don’t worry, I’ll reduce your fellblades cost as well.

>>98384782
You tried to argue on the basis of fluff and failed, so you moved to "well in the edition of overtuned vehicles it was X" as if that matters. May as well argue land raiders should be immune to melta because of armored ceramite.

>>98384793
The fluff explains my point well. You’re just a retard. Now shoo 40k 3.0 tourist.

>>98384796
Wow, a weapon thats bad at killing literally anything.

>>98384799
>The fluff explains my point well.
Which it doesent, because we know what "apex xenos" means and its not 2+ armor.

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>>98384810
You don’t know shit. Thanks for outing yourself.

>>98384821
>You don’t know shit.
Go on, show us the 2+ armor xeno beasts.

>>98384828
You’re the prosecutor here or at least you’re trying. Burden of proof is yours and no, you don’t get to use 40k codexes. Nice try. Now it’s native AP 2. Shall I alter the deal further 40kiddie?

>>98384841
>you don’t get to use 40k codexes
Of course I do, especially in reference to 1e which is just functionally alt codexes for 7th.

You tried to argue from the basis of fluff and failed in spectacular fashion. Youre arguing the profile is correct because "well the fluff says its meant to kill big monsters" while ignoring what "big monsters" means in context (and that the profile given is NOT good for killing big monsters, or monsters of any kind. Because the S8 Ap2 beam attack was terrible in basically every way.

Youre stuck in a pathetic feedback loop of wrongness.

>>98384866
You wanna talk Ulanor orks? Fucking massive in comparison to modern day Orks? The amount of elite nobz etc? An ork warboss almost killed the emp and there were a lot of big ones. Yea AP 2. Go fuck yourself inbred. You’re in a feedback loop of sucking dicks.

>>98384866
Fluff says kill tough aliens. 1.0 gives it AP 2. So you’re wrong or 1.0 is wrong. You know who I’m gonna bet is the idiot here?

>>98384898
>or 1.0 is wrong
Go find a monster or "tough xenos" the 1e glaive is good at killing. Ill wait.

Fluff says "good at kiling big xenos monsters", which defines a target area for "what the gun should do and be", and guess what, the 1e gun does not actually fulfill that targhet area. Xenos monsters are high toughness and wounds and not particularly good saves, because that is the design dichotomy that existed back in the day, there was more than one form of durability, not just "good armor save".

A gun good for killing big xenos monsters would need a high strength, enough shots to eat through their wounds, and something around Ap3, because its targets are defended by bulk rather than armor save.

Conveniently that also makes the gun good for killing swarms of dudes. Which is also a thing the 1e gun does not do with its 1" thick beam.

>You know who I’m gonna bet is the idiot here?
You, you fucking moron.

>>98384828
>>98384841
Ruinstorm daemon lords, greater daemons, and arch daemons were all 4+ save base and could not improve their save beyond a 3+.

>>98384902
And the guy who did the strawpoll was wondering why so many people just buildan/paintan/loran with their models instead of playing the actual game.

>>98384918
We have rules for rangdan? Didn’t think so, so how could you know? But the fluff says they are scary. So AP 2 is necessary. Demons weren’t fought during the great crusade. Doesn’t count. Try again 40kiddie. You’re just embarrassing yourself. You aren’t beating the allegations.

>>98384943
>the 2+ armor save xenos go to a different school in canada so you wouldnt know them

>>98384930
It doesn’t help that the grogs got pushed out to a degree and you have all these fucking tourists that think they know better. You have the retard arguing about xenos and comparing them to 40k when some of the xenos mentioned in the great crusade were fucking brutal and downright terrifying. I guarantee he’s part of the 3.0 crowd who endlessly sucks it off without any sort of abstract deconstruction of some its worst parts. He hasn’t refuted the claims and should be treated like a tourist.

>>98384961
Blighs team should be the guide here and not some random fag tourist on 4chan. They wanted it AP 2 then we use that instead of your retard dribble of…
>LOOK AT THE TYRANIDS AND HOW THEY PLOW MY 40K TOURIST BUTTHOLE
comparisons he loves to make

>>98384981
>They wanted it AP 2
Blight apparently wanted it bad in literally every situation, because thats what it was. The cargo cultism is pathetic.

>>98384970
>when some of the xenos mentioned in the great crusade were fucking brutal and downright terrifying
As opposed to the nice, docile, and gentle xenos of 40k?

The quality of aliens in the galaxy has not gone down, there are literally lots of the exact same aliens still around. Hrud, Eldar, Orks, etc. Except now you have existential threats like Necrons and Nids coming in too.

inb4
>nooo you dont understand the megarachnid were actually ws10 s20 t20 2+++ with 2000 wounds each, the orks on ullanor were LITERALLY 80 foot tall and there were 1000 billion of them and also they all had mega armor!

>>98384988
You’re joking right? It was never considered bad and worst case scenario is was a situationally hard hitting hammer. This thing fucked way harder in 1.0 than today. Average case this thing was scary and demanded some respect. I can’t believe I’m reading this. 3.0 glaive sucks.

>>98385020
>worst case scenario is was a situationally hard hitting hammer.
But it isnt. There is literally no target into which it is good. Its one S8 Ap2 hit on anything big (haywire so it will at least do A (1) hull point to a vehicle) and its too thin to hit significant numbers of infantry that just doesent line itself up for you.

>>98385012
Arguably the xenos back then were far worse and that goes to show how strong humanity was. We literally were poised to take over the galaxy because we had the strongest fighters and some of the deadliest tech known to living beings. That’s before we get into the crazy stuff the dark angels had. So yea the glaive AP 2 was necessary in the fluff before they nerfed it like everything else for stupid reasons. Even if the beam rule didn’t play out well it was something you literally had to work around or you got fucked. I can’t believe you’re real. Get out of here. We should have gatekept you out before you picked up your first Horus heresy 3.0 box. God, your kind are the worst.

>>98385020
It fired a 3" beam in 2e and was still bad. What the fuck are you on about?

Go think back to your previous couple of games and try and imagine a situation where the glaive would have been good, where there was this lovely line of models for it to shoot at. And then consider that this is WITHOUT a glaive that your opponent is positioning around.

>>98385058
>Arguably the xenos back then were far worse
Youre right, the xenos back then WERE worse, they got a lot better over the years.

>So yea the glaive AP 2 was necessary
Rather shitty xenos if they die to one Ap2 S8 hit.

>>98385035
The literary skills of this people blow me away. The og rules literally make you roll an extra d3 for hits when it collides with a gargantuan creature. Worst case it’s doing two points of damage. You are a newcomer and it shows. I don’t expect you to cede ground because you’re too entrenched in your bullshit but man you need to read a book.

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Magnetized my predator gun. Was surprisingly annoying. Now to do the pintle/hatch and maybe the ammo box thing.

>>98385097
>with a gargantuan creature
Oh wow it does d3+1 hits to SUPERHEAVIES
how scary!

It does one hit to normal vehicles and monstrous creatures dipshit, it doing slightly more to the much tougher gargantuans and superheavies is fucking irrelevant and wont make that gun any less of a joke.

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>>98385062
This is 2.0 rules that you claim. Tell me where the number 3 is, in inches, in this rule for the beam. You need professional help. This level of retard can’t be fixed by common man.

>>98385100
Is the plastic predator that annoying to magnetise? Only got the resin one, and that one is real easy to put a magnet on.

>>98385114
>Tell me where the number 3 is, in inches, in this rule for the beam
With my opponent, who apparently cheated.

>>98385100
Magnetization for anything other than transport is fucking lame

>>98385122
>2.0 tards cheating and not even knowing the rules
Tell me something new.

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>>98385121
In objective terms? Probably not.
Compared to contemptor dreads and the kratos? Yes. But those are simply "really convenient to magnetize"

>>98385126
Im not buying a predator turret for every gun I want.

>>98385072
You sound like lefties that argue that purposefully misunderstand arguments to paint their narrative. I can do this all day tourist.

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>>98385136
Commit to the one guy that you like the most and glue the fucker. The differences in performance are semantics just fucking put the model on the table and play.

>>98385122
FUCKING KEK. Oh sweet cartharsis. He’s a 2.0 tard and didn’t even know the rules. Assuming you’re the same guy. “Death is nothing compared to vindication.”

>>98385148
>stillmania but for 40k
No.

>>98385156
Molten lead is more pleasurable company than you

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>>98385148
>The difference between a flamestorm cannon and a magna-melta cannon is semantics

>>98385168
Your addiction to inhaling lead fumes would explain the quality of your posts.

>>98385169
What's the matter? Do you have the imagination of a peanut?

>>98385176
I see you can't comprehend the concept of semantics, a shame you lack the intelligence of a child but perhaps that's your fault?

>>98384918
>Which is also a thing the 1e gun does not do with its 1" thick beam.
nigga it has s8 ap2 deflagrate, it'll kill twice over the number of infantry it actually hits

>>98385213
Wow, it will kill 2~4 guys in a unit! How incredible!

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>>98385219
post an image of you fielding or fighting against a glaive
I'll wait

>>98385228
Wow, that dark angels player is retarded.

>>98385242
yeah I baited him by putting all my shit in a line so he'd have to drive the glaive closer to the leviathan which charged it next turn and stripped off like 8 hull points

It makes me sad how shit the glaive is in 3.0, felblade on the other hand....

>>98383025
very noice job forgetting their misericordia gw well done