Animal Companion Edition>Previous>>98419221>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>5e Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>VtM to VtR fan translation guidehttps://mega.nz/folder/LhYTUD7b#cRDFTcMXSB_2TjD7eJoE5Q>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionWhat kind of animal companions do you have?
>>98427591>What kind of animal companions do you have?Leroy, a longtime Crips member.
>>98427591One of my NPCs (and a former PC of mine from a previous chronicle) has two ghouled animals. El Ratto, a very plump and tailless rat, and a white rabbit named Kaguya.I'll post the sheet I have for em if anyone wants to see. https://files.catbox.moe/s3h9cy.pdf
>>98427627>El Ratto,Presence 5.What the actual fuck?
I got a demon bird thing for a familiar. Basically a strix from Requiem, but since Cainites can't be possessed it's not quite as dangerous.
>>98427591Why does she makes me think of the french knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail?
>>98427642It's so cute you want to pet it even as it's mauling your throat.
>>98427591>TQIn my CtL game, our Wizened recently picked up a hedge beast companion. Looks like a fae deer the size of a squirrel. Hasn't come up too much yet, more of a mascot character than anything else.Speaking of, our previous Hunter game had a mascot in Licorice, the cat that belonged to the owner of the boarding house our characters were staying in. He was the subject of many memes inside the group.
>>98427591>What kind of animal companions do you have?A bloodbound Tremere femboy.
>>98427591Had a Lucifuege Hunter who was a detective/cop who had a huge K-9 as his familiar
>>98427591>>98427591>What kind of animal companions do you have?I had a horse and vulture I used to rob a bank and burn down a building.The fact that the horse had 3 dots of Potence was enough to kick down half of the doors we encountered allowing us to grab a whole vault before the police could react to our bullshit.I fucking hate how skuffed the attachment bullshit is right now.
Void Engineers game, but it's really just X-Com
>>98427642He is the big rat that makes all the rules. Literally did that PURELY to take Majesty.
>>98427666Funny enough she mostly uses him for intelligence gathering. She's on the red list (hence her hiding out in Okinawa, local Kuei-Jin court tolerate her because she churns out guns and ammo for them)She has a human ghoul named Shoka, plus a few "employees" in the form of twin princesses and an inanimae. They usually handle the killing for her.
>>98427708Iteration X game but it's just Doom
>having options to customize your character's curse is evidence that your game is uninspiredWhat causes this caliber of mental illness?
>>98427591Why is the woman also chained up?
>>98428068There's a degree of customization to the point that it's no longer a curse at all, but yes hating on having character customization options is probably a subconscious wish for fascism. Something something a slave knows who he is something something the spirit knows who it belongs to
>>98428192>Why is the woman also chained up?It's her sire's kink.
Hmm, ratussy.
>>98428246You anons belong on the skavenslaves subreddit
>>98428246>Clans of LondonDidn't London's court get curbstomped by the Second Inquisition years ago?
>>98427694Honestly, a cop lucifuge with a hellhound K9 sounds like a really cool character. What was the rest of the cell like?
>>98428268I don't have slightest idea what's the lore explanation here, one guy in our VtES group plays this and won't shut up about it, but I've never really paid attention all that much.I guess they're re-building after fall of London?
>>98427591Let's say an OWOD Kindred is isekai'd into D&D and keeps their vitae fueled Discipline casting as-is. Is that a self-sufficient magic system running parallel to the Weave, like psionics?Are kindred's and the beast inherently non aligned unless the kindred take a explicitly moral path?if a sufficiently "evil" vampire has his image warped to display his morality even if his aura is creepy would it still, technically, not be evil by DnD rules? As in, it's not literally made of Evil.Would elves become mortal enemies of the Nosferatu because they keep locking in their women as targets?
>>98428315Suddenly everyone and their mother has true faith and the vampire dies within a month
>Extremely successful predators of their respective prey and environment>Predatory instincts revolving around stalking and attacking prey with lightning speed>Manipulators that bend humans to their will>FangsThis is a Kindred
>>98428327Aren’t there blood drinking cats in nwod? They roam around in packs and drink the blood of sleeping vampires by smothering them adorably.
REMINDERhedgefag made characters for Deviant and Beast WHY do you worship him?????
>>98428327SI OPEN UP!
>>98428359pervy german femboys got us acting unwise
>>98428201>Something something a slave knows who he is something something the spirit knows who it belongs tois this quote not an endorsement for fascism because it implies some people are naturally slaves?
>>98428259it got taken down, and then the skavenlaborers subreddit was also taken down. i was in their discord server forever before i got account banned and no idea how youd find the invite to it again
>>98427687>>98428371How many femboys we got on this general anyhow?
>>98428357that sounds like a crazy cat gangrel was ghouling all the local cats
>>98428315>Is that a self-sufficient magic system running parallel to the Weave, like psionics?The kindred discipline system is actually a really good parallel with easy translation to D&D.Each Discipline power would be a spell like ability with an exotic resource cost, the level of spell for the spell-like is the dot rating of the power(A 1 dot power is a first level spell, a 9th dot is a 9th level spell, and a 10th dot is epic magic), and the caster level would be based on the skill points invested in certain skills(like star wars D20 force powers).All creatures from world of darkness would be level 1, regardless of if it's a mortal or an antedeluvian, and wod creatures would have access to a special stat(stamina) that gives increasing DR(that uniquely works vs both physical and every damage) in the place of Constitution. Most people an even supernaturals would only have 2-5 soak, but some can hit amount in the 80's.WoD creatures also have very easy access to what d&d considers Vile damage(called Aggravated Damage in WoD) and unlike WoD, d&d people don't have good ways of healing it.>>98428322>Suddenly everyone and their mother has true faithNot at all. Only divine casters would have it, and even then "Faithcasters" are rare even among them. We're talking people who actually took sacred vow feats.Most divine casters wouldn't have it, clerics and paladins would have true faith 1, and sacred vow would range from 2-5 depending on number of feats.
>>98428432>DR(that uniquely works vs both physical and every damage*Physical and Energy damage.Spell damage isn't normally blocked by DR, but Soak does apply to spell damage. A lot of WoD monsters would be weirdly tanky for being level 1.
>>98427627>>98427642Yeah I'm taking that. There's a Nossie that needs a pet.
Some redditor shared his playtest sheet for V6. Thoughts?
>>98428508>V6It's V5.1
>>98428507Godspeed, anon. God fucking speed. The majestic fat rats will continue until morale improves.Found the image that originally inspired this btw.
>>98428508What do people think about the appearance/composure change?
>>98428508>nostalgic decadewhy is this just part of the character sheet and not in the characters bio or something.
>>98428530Perception for Resolve too.Combined with the retarded morality scale, it looks like they're going all in on making it CofD-lite.
>>98428508>AttributesThey Trying to mix CofD with WoD to merge the fanbases againThese retards never learn. Can't wait for a Third fanbase schism.>11 Willpower...What?>HumanityThis looks like it'll be an overcomplicated mess.>Lifepa-For fucks sake. STOP TRYING TO BE D&D!NOBODY PLAYS WOD FOR A D&D CLONE, THEY'D JUST PLAY D&D INSTEAD!>ResourcesWhy did they rename backgrounds? Why name after one of said backgrounds? This is just going to cause completely unnecessary confusion.>DisciplinesThey're keeping V5's dogshit discipline system.This will crash and burn.
>>98428508Looks very D&D derivative. I can only speculate as to what it does in practice, but the extremely simplified skill list, and especially clan seemingly heavily dictating your build makes it feel much more like a conventional RPG class. The humanity being a scale between two extremes is theoretically interesting, but I doubt it'll be executed well.Also, is this general going to be unusable during gencon? Because I really don't want it to turn into constant speculation for this still formally unannounced (and therefore subject to cancelation if not well received) new edition.
>>98428530an ideology against beauty caused itpic related was from v20 corehow do you represent this much beauty on that sheet
>>98428508>Artist>No dots in Craft>Stats in numbers but skills in dots>Merits and flaws are kind of vague, how much damage is "extra" damage>13th (1) but no explanation why
>>98428547Don't insult us, it's not CofD at all. It's halfway to D&D is what it is.
>>98428562>Artist>No dots in CraftShe does contemporary art.
>>98428555>Also, is this general going to be unusable during gencon?Yes.The newfags from the hunter the parenting audience will be flooding us this friday as well, since chapter 6 is coming out then.We'll be cause between 2 newfag floods.
>>98428508PLEASE BE FAKE THIS IS WORSE THAN V5 SOMEHOW
>>98428508can't wait for the cancellation of m6 to make all the small-dicked vampires and thin-skinned werewolves seethe
>>98428572Considering that we were already one of the most popular generals on /tg/...Are we ready to overtake /40kg/ as the fastest thread on the board?
>>98428530In general, I've always thought it worked better as a merit like in nWoD/CofD. Beauty is a modifier on someone's social stats. It can make an unpleasant person be tolerated, and elevate the charismatic to be worshipped. As an attribute itself though, I don't think it covers enough to be in that broad category. Plus as a merit it can cover other types of appearance besides attractiveness, such as how scary someone looks. A 1-5 attribute limits you to a specific axis. Beauty/appearance should be mechanically in the game, make no mistake, but not as an attribute. But also, I do not like this sheet.
>>98428588>DubsThe magic 8 ball says yes.
>>98428566Half CofD, half D&D. The only thing WoD left about it is the "hey, hey, 'member the 90s?" pandering.
>>98428598Two attributes does not "half CofD" make. It's kept more from V5 (which also used Composure and Resolve) than it has from CofD.
>>98428508according to the redditor we'll likely being getting playtest docs later today. i think we can't make too many judgements based off presumably a simplified character sheet (cus it's gencon)im concerned though, since from a glance it seems to retain some of the stuff i didn't like from V5 (notably compulsions) but is keeping some of the stuff i did like like varied discipline powers. i greatly dislike the clan traits already, if this is how they do unique disciplines i think i'll be disappointed. i don't think we should worry about a reduced skill list or how the character sheet is formatted horribly since it's just the playtestwe'll see !
>>98428562I think the sheet's shit, but at least come up with criticism worth a shit.>Artist>No dots in CraftA musician is a type of artist.>Stats in numbers but skills in dots>Merits and flaws are kind of vague, how much damage is "extra" damage>13th (1) but no explanation whyThis is a play-test character sheet, not a finished rulebook.
>>98428593>Beauty/appearance should be mechanically in the game, make no mistake, but not as an attribute.I disagree heavily. Mostly because watching what players do when being hot is a stat is fucking Hilarious.Tangentially, I always ran it with the optional rule that had you roll Appearance at the beginning of a scene for a pool of extra successes to any social roll.
>>98428508>they double down even harder on brujah being the "muh othority bad" clan.has any clan been ruined harder by it's own playerbase?>expression (music)can't wait for the expression(gender) jokes> brought back blood poolat least some good news>hunger dice seem to have been reworked into the humanity systemgonna need some clarification on that one chief>brujah frenzy (rebellion)they seem to have reworked frenzies to be closer to V5's compulsion systemi expected less and am still underwhelmed.
>>98428608It's also got the "Humanity Scale," which is reminiscent of CofD's more retarded morality systems.
>>98428593IIRC the "Striking Looks" merit you're talking about also covered total uggos, for when you want to put your Michael Berryman-looking mug to good use intimidating someone.
>>98428616>can't wait for the expression(gender) jokesExpression has been an ability in WoD since forever.
>>98428598>The only thing WoD left about it is the "hey, hey, 'member the 90s?" pandering.Which is funny, since WoD isn't about the 90's, it's about current events. The only reason so many books have 90's and 00's shit is that thry were Printed in the 90's and 00's.The writer are fundamentally misunderstanding the point of the game.
>>98428626But is passing as one a Resource now
>>98428617>It's also got the "Humanity Scale," which is reminiscent of CofD's more retarded morality systems.Elaborate.
>>98428626>Expression has been an ability in WoD since forever.
>>98427591>What kind of animal companions do you have?To the surprise of absolutely nobody, with Bleu I employed snakes whenever possible. Most often by having small but extremely venomous snakes coil around her and act as jewelry or hiding inside of clothing (or cleavage) for a surprise attack.Before we rebooted the chronicle and switched from Requiem to Masquerade, we used to joke about finding absurd/implausible ways to use the (snakes) specialty granted Bleu's Amphivena discipline.
>>98428617The only CofD morality that works like what this thing probably is is Werewolf: the Forsaken's Harmony, where both 10 and 0 come with significant drawbacks, and 5 is the mechanically "ideal" option. VtR's Humanity works very similarly to VtM's, with a default of 7, going feral at 0. The only significant change is in the hierarchy of sins and the mechanics for how one resists humanity loss. I don't see why you're trying to lay the blame at CofD's feet when it's clearly drawing more from V5. It helps nobody.
>>98428616>has any clan been ruined harder by it's own playerbase?Malkavians.
>>98428634I agree, the Humanity Scale is needlessly elaborate, like most of CofD's morality systems.
>>98428508>parenthetical pronounsDisgusting
>>98428508I'm not sure I like that being the (presumably full) list of skills.
>>98428627It isn't about the 90s, yet its vibe does not work outside of the 90s. There are three reasons why people like WoD:>Bloodlines>Hunter the Parenting>90s nostalgiaThat's it.
>>98428616>has any clan been ruined harder by it's own playerbase?Nope, and honestly that's probably a good thing. The only thing more nauseating to me than SJW Brujah are Feminist Tremere.
>>98428641>I don't see why you're trying to lay the blame at CofD's feet when it's clearly drawing more from V5. It helps nobody.Because a certain subset of OWoDfags are so withered and repulsive in body and spirit that being a spiteful retard is the only way they can feel a tingle of sexual pleasure anymore.
>>98428613Players will still waste points on being hot if it's a merit, they just waste fewer. It's just easier to have it as a general modifier, rather than an attribute that you roll to get a modifier. >>98428619Yeah, that's why I said>Plus as a merit it can cover other types of appearance besides attractiveness, such as how scary someone looks.Most people will still go with the default of "attractive", but it's nice to have that flexibility.
>>98428649It's a play test sheet, I assume that they felt no need to make a complete sheet that covers every last skill. I hope, at least.
>>98428655Sorry, I just like Michael Berryman a lot and enjoy namedropping him.
>>98428654>spitefulSays the guy who's been taking his anger out on WoDfags for the past five years because he's still upset about CofD being cancelled.
>>98428627>The writer(s) are fundamentally misunderstanding the point of the game.It's fascinating really. How can a team of humans be This wrong.The parawolf team isn't just wrong about one or two things, they're wrong about Everything. Every aspect of every descision they make is wrong in it's own unique way.They're like a perfect mathmatics fractal of complete and utter incompetence. Not even a Wyrm spirit could be this pure a parody of the human condition.
Doubling down on the "your clan forces you to act a certain way" is crazy. I hate the "ethical tzimisce surgeon" as much as the next guy, but holy shit where did people get this idea that clan stereotypes weren't primarily culture/the type of people said clan usually embraces? Like for real, you're telling me that if I, a Brujah, frenzy, I have to go after "the man"? How does that even work, if I'm hungry I can't eat the delicious janitor right there? I have to frenzy-run into his boss's office and eat him?
>>98428655>they just waste fewer.That's the issue anon, I don't want them to wadte fewer. That's a direct downgrade in how silly it is and how fun it is to watch.
>>98428667See what I mean?
>>98428650>yet its vibe does not work outside of the 90sAnon, have ypu took a look outside recently? Right now is an absolutely perfect time period for a world of darkness setting.
>>98428650is Hunter the Parenting really that popular? First time I heard about it was here.
>>98428675You can boil it down "authority figure" to "anyone trying to impose any sort of rule on you." If the janitor tells you to leave, he's lunch.
>>98428675>where did people get this idea that clan stereotypes weren't primarily culture/the type of people said clan usually embraces?Good question, because it was always more that clans tend to recruit based on those traits rather than behavior being modified by them. Brujah simply naturally gravitate toward political ideologues. An argument could be made that a neonate that doesn't pick up at least some of that trait is in danger of at least being viewed as a Caitiff, but not as a rule.>Like for real, you're telling me that if I, a Brujah, frenzy, I have to go after "the man"?Well that's more of a perspective thing. Berlin Anarchs tended to be Brujah Neo-Nazis so their conceptualization of the world is that "the man" isn't enough of a man so to speak. Granted they all ran off to Warsaw with Himmler but this rule that Brujah are always looking out for minorities like Thin-Bloods is bunk.
>>98428687>have you (taken) a look outside recently?Anon, this 4chan. Of course not.
>>98428687The real world is a million times darker than the World of Darkness could ever be. The World of Darkness is bursting with hope and rainbows compared to the real world. It's pure, undiluted 90s optimism.
>>98428675>Like for real, you're telling me that if I, a Brujah, frenzy, I have to go after "the man"?When you call a Brujah a faggot he shoots the Prince instead of you.
>>98428675when it comes to clans, they're partially formed around a solution to a shared problem within the clan (usually, but not always, their bane) but parcucks seem to confuse the clan's solution for the clan's problem.
>>98428688>is Hunter the Parenting really that popular?It brings the 40k folk in, and they're often tards.
>>98428508It's ogre
>>98428643Agree wholeheartedly.
>>98428688It's the only reason other than Bloodlines why anyone younger than 40 gives a fuck about WoD.
>>98428688It's both not as popular/influential as its fans say it is, but not as irrelevant as haters might claim. To give you a notion, the premier episode has 2.2 million views currently. And the rest of the first arc ranged from around 1.5 mil to 500k depending on the episode. So let's call it an average of 1 mil. However, for the second arc, only episode 5 has reached 1 mil. View count is steadily trending downwards, but not catastrophically so. These are the same guys that did TTS, so I imagine a lot of those early views were brand loyalty from old watchers.
The Jnanamukti were right.
>>98428675>>98428616Why are you bitching? I thought we loved dunking on the retarded Brujah here.
>>98428698>90s optimismTell me you never actually lived in the 90's without telling me you never lived in the 90's.Anon, 90's america was as doomer as right now. Nobody liked or trusted the government, everyone thought serial killers were everywhere, and the combo of decades of nuclear scare tactics with the Y2K panic meant the general belief was that the world would end any day. It wasn't until the 00's that things started turning optimistic.
>>98428717It's not fun to dunk on the Brujah if they literally can't help it. It goes from making fun of that one asshole that's too into politics and gets mad at everything to mocking someone with genuine brain damage.
I'm solo playing Rite of Passage my first W20 character to learn the splat, pls rate and rec some fun gifts or ideas. Rabagash Homid Bone Gnawer. Concept: Clueless Weldwolf.Morris Jones had always gotten screwed by the system. Go to trade school they said, welding's easy money they said. What they didn't say was how long the line was for a union job and how many fancy certs and courses you'd need for the big money jobs in nuclear plants, refineries, and factories. To top it off, after years of chop shop gigs and living off O'Tolley's leftovers in mum's trailer, dad had the gall to come back after years of abandoning you two and spouting some bullshit excuses about a worm and trying to get you to go live with him. Fuck that, you just got a shiny envelope offering you a Sponsored Training and Career Program with motherfucking Endron. Time to cash that ticket all the way to the big leagues and Big Money.
>>98428713I mean, what's the view count of the most popular WoD media after HtP? LA by Night's first episode, with 1.9 million views? Burgerkrieg's 300k-400k lore videos?
>>98428721>It wasn't until the 00's that things started turning optimistic.Sentences typed by the utterly deranged.
>>98428588>>98428596Oh dear god please no. There will be so much bread to bake!
>>98428724>It's not fun to dunk on the Brujah if they literally can't help it.Garou are biologically ragetarded and dunking on them in /wodg/'s favourite hobby.
>>98428717as much as i love shitting on bad things, i'd prefer if we got good things instead. and even if the brujah were turned into something good, we'd still be able to shit on them, so it'd be a win-win
You might not like it, but this is what peak Brujah performance looks like.
>>98428721Please. The Berlin Wall came down. Communism failed. Capitalism was soaring, all boom without a bust in sight. No war. Just peace. Prosperity for everyone. Internet for all. The only people who think that the 90s was dark were contrarian retards like the people responsible for writing WoD in the first place. It's quaint that people think that WoD is anywhere near as grim as what we have to deal with every day in the real world.
>>98428743You're not wrong.
>>98428721the gloomy 90s was the result of unimaginable decadence in the 80s. you can only be that depressed and edgy when you sit on top of modern luxuries.
>>98428739What would a 'good' Brujah even look like, without completely assassinating the clan's identity? Political retardation is their bread and butter.
>>98428748>Please. The Berlin Wall came down. Communism failed. Capitalism was soaring, all boom without a bust in sight. No war. Just peaceTell that to Bosnians
i miss comfy owodg....
>>98428759Who gives a fuck about the third world?
>>98428729I'm more trying to state that it probably isn't actually bringing in a ton of players, let alone here. Despite their 1d4chan origin, there isn't much of that old /tg/ energy left in Alfa and friends.
>>98428735My guy, the 2000 era was a golden age compared to the inflation 80's era, doomsday 90's era, the #Metoo 2010's era, or the Epstein-COVID 2020's era.The bar may be in hell, but at least it went up for a second.
>>98428765Second World, Anon. Bosnia is former Soviet Bloc.
>>98428756Again, what was gloomy about the 90s? It was more opulent than ever before, capitalism was at its absolute peak.
>>98428748Ladies, please, you're both stupid. The actual problem is that the writers of the World of Darkness were incredibly naive. The world hasn't changed at all.>>98428765>Who gives a fuck about [the world]?What a question.
>>98428757See: >>98428743
>>98428776So, still a retard and a meme.
>>98428743Senator Armstrong is a rare chad brujah. It's a shame most brujah will never be anything like him.
>>98428562>>Artist>>No dots in Craftthat's a punk rocker alright
>>98428743*sigh* I really should go back and finish some of those scribbles I started based of another poster's characters in /shreck/.
>>98428774America is the only place that matters on planet Earth. In real life and in WoD.
>>98428774>The world hasn't changed at all.Are you seriously denying that the real world is a million times more bleak than anything written in WoD?
>>98428773that was the peak of doomer culture in the mainstream media because it was alien and different. now the culture is so saturated with it people want their media to be the opposite and an escape from it.
>>98428773>>98428791Anons, the people having a good time in the 90's were mostly the boomers. Watch "Fight Club" if you want to see the Gen X mentality in that era.
>>98428787Who's the Nosferatu in a kepi?
>>98428773>what was gloomy about the 90s? >It was more opulent than ever before>capitalism was at its absolute peak.You just listed two things that are gloomy lmao
>>98428757I played a Brujah who was embraced by his ultra-patriotic sire for accidentally matching his idea of the "American spirit". Cliff. A semi-nomadic, car-loving, ruggedly independent dude with a code but not averse to a bit of cheeky crime. He was a very even-keeled person in life, so I played the Brujah rage almost like an intrusive thought rather than an exacerbation of his original character. He didn't really give a fig about politics and was struggling to find a purpose to his unlife. Little bit James Dean, little bit Ryan Gosling in Drive. Felt properly Brujah with that cold rage simmering underneath without being a shitty punk. He eventually came to the conclusion it was largely bullshit and that he could make a tidy profit driving around Camarilla elders and doing dirty jobs for them. He's probably the sheriff of a backwater Domain now.
>>98428588The face of gaia is changing... and will never go back to the way it was...
>>98428806>being richer and better off than your grand parents could have ever dreamed is gloomylmao
>>98428765Who cares if the developed world was doing well, real WoD fans care deeply about the socioeconomic realities of 1993 Botswana anon. Maybe 40g (40gay) is more your speed.
>>98428757having brujah that aren't inherently anti-authoritarian would be a good start. the brujah at their most interesting are agents of change through violence, with whether the violence or the change being the driving factor of it all being left as a chicken and the egg problem. reducing the whole aspect of change to just "muh uthority bad" is just a disservice to the clan and makes them just boring power-wank for blue sky users
>>98428802>>9842880190s doomerism was posing, trying to look cool by pretending they had it tough when they owned the world. 20s doomerism is authentic and genuine.
>>98428814>being richer and better off than your grand parentsYou ever heard of Yuppies?
>>98428822So, Brujah that aren't Brujah? I don't see the appeal.
>>98428780Everyone needs an ideal to strive for.
>>98428802truly a nightmare
>>98428797I did say the writers were naive, which logically follows that the world of darkness they envisioned was adjusted from a world that never existed, and therefore isn't meaningfully darker than the one that does.
>>98428835are you a no game newfag? read the old brujah example characters then come back to me
>>98428687The problem is that fundamentally modernity being genuinely doomer shit with anti-soul modernism in everywhere from architecture to spatial design to company structure, you can't really set modern WoD in it without rewriting a good amount of stuff. It's unironically big effort.For example, everyone and their mother knows phones collect their data, but what is it used for? Is the government spying on you to catch criminals or insurrections or anything remotely interesting? No, it's so that Chinese companies can buy your data and sell them to advertisement companies and then they can push [Product] on you through targeted ads until you crack and buy something. Peak gay (derogatory) bullshit. Real life has unironically become a parody of itself that 15-20 years ago someone would laugh at you for talking about it. Other funny tidbits include>Women hating on men but being okay with women(men) in their spaces>Promiscuous gays taking drugs so their lifestyle doesn't get them killed>Working class Americans voting against their own interests because there's no longer any party for them>Congress gets older and more ghoulish by the year>Shareholders cracking whips made of capital at artists to get them to compromise so they can get cultural government funding>Kids frying their brain's dopamine receptors with short-form entertainment>A rise of e-philosophy between podcasts and longform video essays>The transition of books into a smutty romance distribution industry>Men so beaten down they turn away from women permanentlyAmong other issues. A modern WoD truly capturing the spirit of the age wouldn't be so much about conspiracy theories (they're all true anyway) and instead about the retention of the soul. Modern WoD should be closer to changeling, but with more Japanese elements as Japanese cultural exports are widely seen as a reprieve from the crushing weight of western modernism.
>>98428738Only because the other half likes to glaze them as the ubermensch that can kill literally anything and should be allowed to rape any human being they want. For my part, I'd just rather they didn't exist at all.
>>98428814>richer and better off than your grand parents could have ever dreamedThey weren't though, because their boomer parents stole and spent all the wealth.There's a fucking reason Fight Club, The Matrix, and Falling Down were made in that era anon. The fact rich boomers were living like kings as the Gen Xer's had their futures stolen and were living paycheck-to-paycheck to feed their kids was PART OF THE PROBLEM.The measure of prosperity is not how happy the boomers are
>>98428849Can I sue these niggers? This is almost directly lifted from my "how I run modern nights vampire" spiel.
>>98428849does this ean the SI is dead?
>>98428849I got a bad feeling about this
>>98428270There was Officer Bayard (me)Red a vanilla human kinda rugged single father type, I think he was a mechanic & he was sort of the heart of the groupCan't remember her name but there was the STs girlfriend. Of course nearly everything revolved around her at timesZero, a British DJ, played by our resident theatre kidPhilbert, a witch from Witchfinders who could scry stuff, run really fast & use the evil eye & open uo spacial windows. He wasnt around much & mostly just did support magic from the sidelinesBoris (or some other generic Russian name) was a boxing Russian guy, played for laughs & muscle.Johnny the Hobo, played by my wife. He was a hobo with a bunch of shivs. Surprisingly useful, but no one wanted to talk to him much & my wife was determined to keep him a hobo even when other characters offered him a place to sleep or to roommate with.It was pretty fun but very dysfunctional. The ST didnt know how to run a big group, nor did he read the rules much. Most enemies were damage sponges until he felt like it was a good time for them to die (usually when his girlfriend attacked it after giving some kind of speach). I might dust off Officer Bayard at some point in another game. He was a straight laced detective/cop who occasionally shifted into a demon form & killed monsters with a shotgun like he was out of devil may cry.
>>98428765>>98428772the only ones with bad memories of the 90s are the formely soviet countries that descended into chaos, even for a third worlder the 90s were the start of things semingly getting better
>>98428854>the rulebook needs to be immediate and easy to consult/refrencethe fact that this needs to be spelled outthe absolute state of current year WoD
>>98428866A new Changeling edition in the big 2020s? I gotta stick around for this
>>98428359>>98428371Isnt bakeslave hedgefag under a different name?
>>98428866atleast if we're going down we're taking hedgefag with us
>>98428508>Humanity is a sliding scale from -3 to +3This change is kind of gay isn't it, especially the idea that at maxed out one or the other you basically lose your character. It's W5's werewolf BPD slider all over again
>>98428858I fucking called it. They're not able to deny that V5 happened, so they just forcibly roll it back, suspension of disbelief be damned. also not undoing the Anarchs getting upgraded to real sect, ick.
>>98428866Magebros, oh no no no!Our response?
>>98428875>nature frenzynah man
>>98428884its ogre
>>98428846>The problem is that fundamentally modernity being genuinely doomer shit with anti-soul modernism in everywhere from architecture to spatial design to company structureLiterally the entire message of both mage and changeling anon. Hell even werewolf to a lesser extent given how the weaver shit often takes a backseat to pentex plots.Is the only game you ever played VtM?>For example, everyone and their mother knows phones collect their data, but what is it used for? Is the government spying on you to catch criminals or insurrections or anything remotely interesting? No, it's so that Chinese companies can buy your data and sell them to advertisement companies and then they can push [Product] on you through targeted ads until you crack and buy something. Peak gay (derogatory) bullshit. Describe the Syndicate in 1 sentence.>Other funny tidbits includeAnon, the only, and I mean ONLY, thing different from that list and the issues that inspired WoD is the addition of E-Philosophy bullshit.Literally everything else was part of what inspired WoD in the first place.>A modern WoD truly capturing the spirit of the age wouldn't be so much about conspiracy theories (they're all true anyway) and instead about the retention of the soul.I genuinely have to ask again, do you actually play the fucking game?Did you ever read the 1e or 2e books? Or are you basing everything you know about WoD off the 20th Anniversary edition?
>>98428884They'll never take M20 from me, never!
>>98428432Someone doesn't need to be capable of divine magic to have true faith or get interference by a god in DnD. Gods are a lot more active, and a lot of characters use religious and spiritual beliefs as fuel for their abilities or lifestyle. Hell, some wizards have egomania to the point of a True Faith equivalent in DnD. I wouldn't say it'd be nearly as powerful though
>>98428874No. Hedgefag was before my time.
>>98428885>Blood+Body are the same resource.Wat? How do I meet final death then? If I'm shot, I lose vitae? Does spending my last blood instantly send me into torpor, frenzy, or final death? What?
>>98428390Fuck, shame about that.>Too chuddy to be welcomed on niche degeneracy subreddits and discord>Too degenerate to be welcomed anywhere less gay and cringeI know the feel brother, I know it well.
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/media/press-releases/press-release/new-blood-eternal-legacy-white-wolf-unveils-vampire-the-masquerade-6th-edition
>>98428859If you can prove you were the first, maybe.
>>98428805He was given the name Gimpweeb Supreme. Was a ally/minion of another poster's Tzimisce archvillain. Was making a story and some scribbles detailing the events when they showed up in Jacksonville, but suffered from burnout and never ended up posting the story or finishing the pics.I did end up doing some scribbles for said poster's own story in New York too. There was a big climax where his Ventrue had to take on a Vicissitude dragon while possessed/puppeted by his grandsgrandsire.
>>98428893>they're even bringing back metaplotGuys... it's actually worse than V5 what the fuck. I pray that the playtest is so poorly received that Paradox just cancels it.
>>98428508>No dots for stats, just flat numbers...>No split in skills for physical, mental, social>Resources treated like d&d equipment list>Background/Lifepath looks like a bunch of picked out qualities like D&D he's backgrounds...Thanks I hate it, time to make Paradox backrupt by sticking to my WoD20
>>98428508This thread and the replies here are so fucking negative I'm surprised you haven't all killed yourselves yet.
Rolled 8, 8, 2, 2 = 20 (4d10)>>98428901>non-definite Quick Mage bros, we can still stop it. I need all your Arete rolls for the ritual. Hurry!
>>98428921just waiting for the pills to kick in although at this point i wonder if they were placebo's
PUMP IT UP.
>>98428530That is one change I dont mind.It allows for a power stat, a finesse stat, & a resistance stat in each category. Perception is fine as a skill & theres too much overlap between charisma & appearance for some people
>>98428858>The Promise of 1528 is right around the corner…So they’re going to try to integrate the Hecata as a Camarilla Clan in this edition.
I don't even like him but can I convince megachud Elon Musk to buy WoD and just re-release oWoD and CofD on an open game license? Surely it's an important part of the culture war, right?
>>98428898>Someone doesn't need to be capable of divine magic to have true faithYes you do, because that's what True Faith means in WoD terms. WoD is very clear on this.Believing is not enough. In fact Demons in DtF specifically can't have true faith because they Know god is real already.
>>98428924>>98428884Paradox Interactive does not exist according to my paradigm.
>>98428926Don't you know, pump it up!You've got to pump it up!Don't you know, pump it up!You've got to pump it up!
>>98428872Then again, clarity and ease of use has always been dogshit in White Wolf books. They really do need the reminder.
>>98428927>power, finesse, resistanceAnd people are pretending that V6 isn't CofD-inspired.
>>98428931Elon is a rocket autist. Everything he does is for his ultimate goal of living on mars. WoD is unlikely to serve his autistic fixation.
>>98428866>>98428901Mage AND Changeling?!?! Schizobros, I THOUGHT WE WERE SAFE???
>>98428945Its one of the few things i can see support CofD doing. If it had retooled stuff like that but left the lore alone I would have supported it more.
>>98428884
>>98428947... what if I shilled him on the technocracy?
>>98428949We're going to need all of the tinfoil to survive this one.
>>98428899Do we really have yhat many submissive femboys in this thread. I find it hard to believe.Are you by chance the red talon poster from the werewolf schreckt thread?
All we need to do is wait another fifteen years for V8, the Fast and Furious edition of Vampire the Masquerade. The Jyhad shall be resolved through drag racing.
>already at 200 replies>thread isnt even 5 hours old.Imma have to bake bread daily arent I...
>>98428896Vampire isn't really about the retention of the soul, but the retention of dignity I would say. The only game really about fighting a constant maelstrom of anti-You bullshit is Changeling, but WoD is built around VtM as a base. Anyway, my point being more so that the conditions that made WoD what it is and something that really hits a cultural mood isn't really in the zeitgeist of today. Yeah I'm sure there were more than a few guys who didn't fuck women cause they self-impose loserdom on themselves but it's almost a full blown epidemic now. Yes, the Syndicate does do that but it's not an over-present monolith in theory but one that is well known and seen now. Yeah some of these things have always existed, but they idea of KNOWING past the theory was a novelty in the 90s and 00s, a select group of noticers. This isn't the case anymore, everyone knows this shit and you no long need to be a noticed or part of the cool kids club to understand it, yet every single person is too apathetic to do anything but seek shallow entertainment and dig their heads in the sand. Hunters unironically wouldn't exist in a nu-nu-WoD done properly around the 2020's, because Hunting as a profession is one of doomed optimism and a spiritual courage to face your oppressors that doesn't exist anymore. You could still have Vampire, but it'd probably be about classism and class struggle in reference to the hustle culture that has dominated the rat race.
>>98428963>Two (2)No, “we” don’t.
>>98428966Probably not. The board as a whole is still really slow. But we might be able to beat our last record. That is the singular good thing to come out of this travesty.
>>98428928>>The Promise of 1528or rather the caveat that it should expire after 500 years, is the lore-wise reason why Hecata formed in the first place (mechanically it's more about cutting down on bloodlines and niche disciplines). If anything year 2028 should re-open hostilities between Camarilla and Hecata, possibly driving them to side with Sabbat (especially considering that Path of Death and Soul already has strong synergy with their interests).
>>98428910This seems overly complicated and partially based on the Critical Roll Dagger Heart system (which is bad)
>>98428969Let's just accept that VtM is all about nostalgia for the brightness of the 90s and it's nowhere near as gloomy as the world we actually live in.
>>98428910>Vitae and Willpower/Health merge into a single resource>Players earn Quickening on strong rolls, while Drama lets Storytellers complicate scenes, threaten The Masquerade, or empower NPCs.>Devil’s Bargains” and “Choose Your Pain” mechanics are added to support player-driven failure states, while Storytellers can enjoy a smoother, level-based building system for NPCs. Players and Storytellers can also easily find safety tools through explicit TTRPG Safety Toolkit callouts.
>>98428870Why are they obsessed with turning storytelling into mechanics? I fucking HATE "beats" "milestones" "triggers" "danger pools"& every other hackneyed fucking tool used to replace actual Storyteller driven drama with artificial gameist clutter fuck bullshit
>>98428508>>98428849>>98428854>>98428858>>98428875>>98428885>>98428893>>98428910I remember an anon a few threads back refused to believe the rumors theres was going to be a 6th edition announcement. His reasons was that they hadn't fired the writers that crashed WoD5, which would make jumping to WoD6 the most financially retarded move to have ever been conceived by the human mind.While his conclusion was wrong, I believe his reasoning is correct.
>>98428924>0 successesOof, it's a tragedy
>>98428984>>98428982Why are you allergic to storytelling mechanics in a narrative-focused game? I thought we liked Tilts and Conditions in this general.
>>98428854>good UI principles.Fuck them. Fuck Microsoft. Fuck those faggots, who had managed to misunderstand Assassin's Creed "Sterile Corpo High-Tech Mind-Diving Machine" interface for "we can slap dull empty squares on anything without any need to actually imagine and think". Fuck those lazy assholes, that call themselves UI/UX designers. Fuck greedy CEOs, who are getting rid of artists and creativity in favor of the aforementioned fucking "designers". Fuck those "designers" again specifically for using only simple shitty fonts fucking everywhere instead of cool thematically fitting specially created ones. Fuck all those faggots, who, instead of thinking of how cool/beautiful/scary/atmospheric things should be in every aspect and as a whole, just slap cheapest shitty fucking shit made through shittiest cheapest way possible. Fuck them all specifically for infiltrating into mathematicians-artists-programmers-musicians-writers creative sphere and removing all passionate enthusiasts of adventure, coolness, beauty and fun only to replace them with "subversion" fags (not actually subversion, but just bland cheap copies, that only take some external "selling" features while ignoring the core ideas completely), who has no talent, no love for what they were appointed to create and only has a destructive wish to enforce their own shitty lame things on everything and everyone.
>>98428416Beats me, but there seems to be a pattern, I've met another German crossplayer on the other board recently.Also if I remember the pictures, Hedgefag's body is closer to bear/daddy than a femboy.
>>98428966Did the fairies get you yet?
>>98428952..Maybe.
>>98428963See >>98428416No i primarily stay in this general and occasionally lurk other threads.>>98428972If we hit 1k can I gain a point of autonomy?
>>98428992>no successes with two 8sShould've lowered the difficulty first.
>>98428977The Lasombra also joined the Camarilla while the Brujah left it...For the record Cults of the Blood which introduced the Hecata in the first place, had a Rossellini Baron and a Harbinger Prince.
>>98428921It *might* be better than V5 if you're a perpetual optimist, realistically it'll only be marginally better in so far as the setting won't be retarded nonsense that falls apart whenever your character needs a phone
>>98428984A little bit of metacurrency in an RPG is a good thing, I think. Problem is shitty game designers get addicted to them, because they think everything needs a hard resolution mechanic. The idea of just letting the dice fall as they lay, or improvising based on a weird unforeseen situation, is antithetical to them. Usually its the players that'll optimize the fun out of a game, but here it's the developers developing the fun out of the game.
>>98428969>because Hunting as a profession is one of doomed optimism and a spiritual courage to face your oppressors that doesn't exist anymore.Anon, not everyone lives in big cities. Out in the rural areas, the invasive nephandi and vampires have started.... "Disappearing"
>>98428952Considering how he seems to have a boner for everything edgy and evil in sci-fi and cyberpunk media and yearns to make all of it a reality, he'd probably have a field day with the Technocracy.
>>98428688Not really. It's mostly TTS that was popular, it's just got the same "branding", if that makes sense. As a show it's so stagnant that they have to beg for donations on a yearly basis. Hell their last patreon post says as much and asked people to help spread it via word of mouth, as if that's their problem.
>>98428984It's hot thing right now. Personally I blame the Cypher system and PbtA for being patient zero for this shit.
>>98429007Old Vampire the Masquerade had quantum Lupines.V5 has quantum Second Inquisition.What will V6 have? Quantum Anarchs?
>>98428981Yeah, I can drink to that. Shame that any potential for a Mage or Changeling indie game is going to go out the window in the 2-3 years it takes them to pump out an edition. Changeling is just going to be Lost but with Dreaming terminology.
>>98429017Quantum Shovelheads
>>98428993Why are you trying to make oWoD and CofD fans infight when their common enemy is right here, screwing them both over? I think you're a Paradox shill.
>>98429022>Changeling is just going to be Lost but with Dreaming terminology.Elaborate.
>old edition discussion unbanned from the discord>V6 comes out>old edition discussion banned againcalling it
>>98428854Honestly I argue complicated but Artful UI (like some of the werewolf sheets for W20) are much better and more likely to make the game appealing, but Paradox has been consumed by the spirit of modernity for a long time.
>>98429006>The Lasombra also joined the CamarillaAmici Noctis play the long game and want to keep the clan where it's most beneficial.>while the Brujah left it...Theo's chimp-out was a bit of a bad writing but not entirely out of character for a Brujah.
>>98429026Who cares about the official Discord?
>>98429004>If we hit 1k can I gain a point of autonomy?Sure. 1.5k and you get a promotion.
>>98428993Because WoD is not a game that was shat out of The Forge in 2001 and it doesn't play like one and wasn't designed as one. The only "storytelling mechanics" you need is the ST opening their mouth to speak.
>>98428901...fellow magefags, I am scared. They are finally going to molest us as well
>>98429006>>98429028Was the shitstorm in Prague from VtM:Bloodhunt actually canon?
>>98428989Announcing it before the results of the playtest come in is what's throwing me. What do you do if the players hate it, and not for the little things, but for "back to the drawing board" foundational stuff?
>>98429035Why are you allergic to actually coherent game design that isn't built on "mother may I?"
>>98429044Doing it at the same time as the play test allows for a big media blitz.
>>98429044The thing they always do anon, stick their fingers in their ears and pretend nothing is wrong.
>>98428984It's the new shit, gives it that easily dramatized streamer live play energy that execs love and secondaries who don't play love to watch>>98429009Some metacurrency like DnD inspiration can absolutely be a good thing, but having your GM have metacurrency while the player also has metacurrency is the type of retarded shit that leads to Mage-tier arguments over priority and whether or not characters should be able to do this in any unscripted or heavily rules-enforced game
>>98429037>paradox dice>unplayable ''chuddy'' technocracy>magic nerfed to the ground even more than M20>street level onlyare you ready?
>>98429017>>98429023Certainly Quantum sabbat or elder>Went into the wrong neighborhood?2 day old 5th gen shovelhead suicide bomber you can't diablerize>Go to government buildingSabbat shovelhead police department reinforcements>Go to bankSabbat shovelhead clerk arguing about the Cainite way with a shovelhead client
>>98428993No I fucking hate them. It makes things artificial & gameist, & feel like a board game. This shit only exists to sell peripheral bullshit like Condition/Tilt Cards, xyz trackers, & novelty dice
>>98429045You're playing with a GM, they have a right to veto anything, you're always playing mother may I. Get a different game if you have a problem with any of that.
>>98429060So disciplines come from backstory events, and clans are basically worthless now?
With V6 being announced and Hunter ep. 6 coming out tomorrow, I reckon we can push this thread to 2k posts.
>>98429063
>>98428508I want to have to sex with her.
>>98429050>"media blitz">for TTRPGsI understand the idea in theory, but I'm not sure I'd go for a risky strategy at this point in the IP.
>>98429038Clan Brujah are Anarchs. Clan Lasombra are Camarilla.
>>98428910> Vitae and Willpower/Health merge into a single resource, Difficulty subtracts dice from a pool rather than raising a target number, and players roll nearly all of the dice at the table.Yeah...they are going even more simplified route for the casual audience.
>>98429025>You play as a Changeling who's a fairy kidnapping victim when stepping on a mushroom circle sent you to Arcadia and your "mentor (enslaver)" turned you into his type of Fae. This kills your mortal soul or somethingIdk really, I just figure it'd be like the H5 attempt seeing how popular Lost is
>>98429070um, chuddie, DM veto is hecking problematic and fascist. Final say is always with the player in ttrpgs now.
>>98429075THEY'RE STEALING OUR GODDAMN TALKING POINTS! THESE WERE OUR IDEAS! YOU GODDAMN PAVEMENT APES!
>>98429009I have no issue with Willpower which is a metacurrency. But anything beyond something like Fate points or Willpower is too much
>>98429054Lower power mages pretending to be cops or detectives would actually make for a fascinating alternate game, though I know that isn't what you're talking about here
>>98429081>no Proteandead on arrival
>>98429081>protean is gone nowOh boy they're going total unique discipline death. Wow.
>>98429086But muh Second Concordia War? Muh High King David? Muh not-ShadowRun? Muh Endless Winter???
>>98429054They are going to go dry whether I am ready or not.I can imagine how they will rape MTAs
>>98429084>Yeah...they are going even more simplified route for the casual audience.Thing is, wod was ALREADY simple and casual friendly. It was so simple there was a sizable female audience.Simplifying it further is just removing content, or it'll just make things More complex like with the new humanity scale.
>>98429075Cough up you thieving rats
>>98429094Wait no, this is stupider. They're INVENTING NEW DISCIPLINES WHILE CUTTING OLD ONES?
>>98429094shadow presence?
>>98429074This is biblical levels of greed, I can only imagine the karmic punishment enforced on Bakeslave for that
>>98429063>Or NecromancyFUCK OFF
>>98429075How young are these neonates? It's been barely a few years since the SI
>>98429075>>98429088It's funny the Night Road author toyed with this idea also
>Oh the beckoning's over>But the elders that came back are... le wrong...This is actually a worst of both worlds holy shit.
>>98429117>Followers of Set are still the MinistryIT’S OVER
>>98429109Welcome to the Gay future anon. Everything needs to be made into AO3 fanfuction of itself now anon.Can't wait for them to turn WtA into the omegaverse...
>>98429121If W5 has taught us one thing, it's that 5 years might as well be 3 centuries ago.
>>98429119necromancer tremere sound kinda cool though. would be better as a bloodline for v20.
Not to jump the gun, but the Danse Macabre supplement for Requiem had a chapter with extensive writeups to add flavor to the core five Clans, adding unique abilities for each one as well as narrative/aesthetic suggestions for what each Clan's Beast is like and what it looks like when they Frenzy.
>>98429098Nah, it's Fae-rapekidnaptortureville featuring less sexy Sidhe from here on until Changeling 7th edition. Did you anons honestly think the Sidhe wouldn't be nerfed?
>>98429081So Gangrel lose their signature discipline. I bet it'll be an animalism/fortitude combo now (only covering turning into a wolf, of course).
>>98429094WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU GOT RID OF PROTEAN BUT THEN MADE UP A NEW EDGY DISCIPLINE?!?
>>98429140>>98429097Protean sucked
>>98429132>AO3 fanfuctionI can't tell if this is a misspelling or an intentional pun given the subject.
>>98429126>If you die, you die!>Vampireness need not applyFucking Magical thought process by these guys
>>98429119Guess the Giovanni didn't protect their secrets well enough lol
>>98429126>literal rocks fall, you diePutting aside that my Ventrue could easily take a fall from terminal velocity, what the hell is even this? This is a meme. Surely, you're making these up as an elaborate joke, right?
>>98429136THEY ADDED A FUCKING GAMING JOURNALISM DIFFICULTY TO WOD.
>>98429132WtA is already omegaverse-lite if you play with WtF mechanics and the expanded merit/flaw list. Arguably, it's pretty close
>>98429135Key words being "supplement" and "suggestion". That's why nobody got into a tiff over Danse Macabre.
>>98429144What Skills and Resources does the NEET lifepath gift?
>>98429144This seems a bit restrictive, basically DnD backgrounds>>98429145You don't like the Wolverine claws?
>>98429136"What if we took HtV's tiers and did them worse?"
>>98429038I'm not aware of any v5 books officially acknowledging it. But I haven't read all of them.Prague gets mentioned being "in turmoil" after the incident, but not how bad things got.
>>98429159>""Banu Haqim"">Curse>[in development]Clan Tremere posted this.
>>98429126>>98429136Do you still die to fall damage like a videogame even in an Elder-tier play with Fortitude?
>>98429167kinky
>>98429159>Banu Haqim>Blood sorceryHahahahahahahaha, how do Tremere keks even recover from this?
>>98429159>Yet another new curse for the Assamites in the works
>>98429159>Gangrel - ANI, CEL, FORWait a second, where's Protean?
>>98429179Anon the assassassamites have had blood magic since 2e.
>>98429166>What Skills and Resources does the NEET lifepath gift?Real life!? The life of Rea?! I loathe real life, whatever it is. I sacrifice it on the alter of my altered state. Or did i sacrifice the life of Rea? Or was that her sister? Or her cousin? I forget.
>>98429172had a chuckle>>98429179Thauma and Quietus got merged into common BS back in v5.
>>98429173This is in the situation where you were to take your entire vitae pool in a single damage instance if I'm reading correctly, so it can be survived but only if you have good soak.Gay though, health levels are a lot better.
So uh what's the shapeshifting discipline in V6
>>98429186It wasn't really Tremere blood magic though, which isn't differentiated here>>98429193That's rough
>>98429117>>98429159>Banu Haqim>Ministry>Giovanni and not HecataWhat the fuck is this bullshit? Can just commit to keeping those Soprano fucks down already?
>Bread is 5 hours old and alread getting stale.Breadslave is gonna be BAKING. Good luck tomorrow.
>>98429189what the fuck is a duskborne?
You know, I've heard the phrase "reinventing the wheel". Never have I seen someone actually fail to reinvent the wheel.
>>98429200Animalism + Tellurgy or Dominate, I assume. Maybe Fort + Dominate
>>98429213Thinblood also see the post below yours
>>98429209One of the writers must have had an incest fetish.
>>98429171>Prague gets mentioned being "in turmoil" after the incident, but not how bad things got.I can't blame them for being vague because the way that game portrayed itself would have been the biggest Masquerade breach in the history of the setting short of maybe the Week of Nightmares. Several full nights of total anarchy as every ancilla in the city goes buck wild on eachother and the Leopoldites that didn't know they were beating a hornet's nest filled to bursting with pissed off kindred from every other domain in the world.
>>98429214>Just thinblood Ack
>>98429117>>98429209What is the ministry deal again? I've really got what they are about exactly, hipster ventrue?
>>98429214>no mention of Cainekek, he got retconned away from the setting. Metaplot is back, but no Caine.
>>98428562"I didn't say I could play guitar, I said I was in a punk band!"
>>98429230Corporate rebranding of the Followers of Set.
>>98429214>16th gen 22nd gen vampires in SPACE coming soon!
>>98429230The culturally-neutral renamed Followers of Set.
They just announced that 6e is coming out. Guess they gave up on the current trainwreck.Bakeslave stick it in the OP so we can talk about how they are going to fuck it up.
>>98429182Protean removed Why? Fuck you that's why.And not because it is a special discipline. They went ahead and invented a new discipline called Corruption
>>98429237why are you making all these dumb lifepaths instead of having players pick their skills and resourceswhy not have these default lifepaths be just recommendations for new players
>>98429233The Caine void will be what the metaplot is about I bet.
>>98429248Even the Princes of Darkness devs that work on the Crusader Kings 3 mod have a better lore and mechanic set-up than V5. That's saying something because the PoD devs are troons. Even they don't disrespect the setting as hard as Nu-White Wolf has.
Thanks, but I’ll be sticking with V20.
>>98429252Current game designers are of the opinion that players are literally too stupid for free allocation exp systems. Never mind that free allocation has been a universal tradition in WoD games, a tradition that even V5 largely obeyed. V5 did open the door on getting some free points from a D&D background equivalent, but that was an exception rather than the rule.
>>98429249>v5: Vicissitude and Serpentis fused into Protean>v6: Protean removedSo odd that I can't even.>They went ahead and invented a new discipline called Corruptionisn't that just Daimonion, that Baali used to have?
>>98429144>Gamerawarenesscraft (miniature painting)expressioninvestigation (prompt engineering)knowledge (computer, science or occult)>>98428508I guess you are meant to use specializations to really customize your character, but this removes some of the granularity and grounding the game had.
>>98429260>hard merit limit>only 8 skill points with no categories>discipline powers>clan traitsThis really is d&d 5th edition wod edition
>>98429252For the most casual of audiences. The normies.Who can barely bother to read the cover of the book, never actually looks up anything about their character, and expect everything to be done by the ST and ready to serve.Which is fucked up because this shit is making my blood boil.
>>98429182Who just wants to be a worse werewolf?
>>98429269They aren't calling it Daimonion and Lasombra can get it.Plus why the fuck would you go back and add Daimonion under the name of Corruption when you are literally removed every unique discipline out there and simplifying shit. To the point of removing Protean
>>98429081>>98429081Give it back...GIVE IT BACK
>>98429283wait... Vicissitude is back. But also the Tziggers get this new tellurgy shit? What? What. Genuinely, what?
>>98429248I'm reading through some of the proposed changes and they have already fucked it up.They think v5 is too complicated and are looking to streamline it further. Vitae/ willpower/ health will be a single pool. Who the fuck writes this shit. Why even have rules at this point?
>>98429283So at first Vicissitude was Protean and now Animalism is Protean but Koldunic Sorcery/Ogham is a mainline disciplineGotcha
>>98429283>Vicissitude removed in 5, only to be brought back in 6Why?
Tonight, I'm gonna have myselfA real good time, I feel aliveAnd the world, I'll turn it inside out, yeahI'm floating around in ecstasy, soDon't stop me nowDon't stop me'Cause I'm having a good time, having a good timeI'm a shooting star leaping through the sky like a tigerDefying the laws of gravityI'm a racing car, passing by like Lady GodivaI'm gonna go, go, go, there's no stopping meI'm burnin' through the sky, yeah200 degrees, that's why they call me Mister FahrenheitI'm travelling at the speed of lightI wanna make a supersonic man out of youI'm having such a good timeI'm having a ball(Don't stop me now) if you wanna have a good timeJust give me a call'cause I'm having a good time(Don't stop me now) yes, I'm havin' a good timeI don't wanna stop at all, yeahI'm a rocket ship on my way to Mars on a collision courseI am a satellite, I'm out of controlI'm a sex machine ready to reload like an atom bombAbout to whoa-oh, whoa-oh, oh, explodeI'm burnin' through the sky, yeah200 degrees, that's why they call me Mister FahrenheitI'm travelling at the speed of lightI wanna make a supersonic woman of youhey-hey-hey(Don't stop me, don't stop me, ooh-ooh-ooh) I like it(Don't stop me, don't stop me) have a good time, good time(Don't stop me, don't stop me) ohLet loose, honey, alrightOh, I'm burnin' through the sky, yeah200 degrees, that's why they call me Mister Fahrenheit, heyI'm travelling at the speed of lightI wanna make a supersonic man out of you (hey, hey)I'm having such a good timeI'm having a ball(Don't stop me now) if you wanna have a good time (ooh, alright)Just give me a callyes, I'm havin' a good timeI don't wanna stop at allAh, da-da-da-da- da-da-ah-ahAh-da-da, ah-ah-ahAh, da-da, da-da-da-da-ah-ahOoh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh
>>98429081so what the fuck did they do, fold Protean into Animalism?>>98429288Old Clan Tzimisce had Koldunic Sorcery that involved corrupting and manipulating earth spirits to do things, but that was mostly a Dark Ages thing. In the Final Nights/Modern setting the Old Clan very rarely leave the Carpathians.
so sorry about the technocracy retrocausally changing the consensus on you again vampires, but after advancing my studies in life ether i have invented a way to free you from your immortal suffering
>>98429277I rolled Empathy to figure out people's motives, do I roll Awareness against Subterfuge (and Persuasion)?Wouldn't this make it a powerful and coveted Skill since it works for anything from ghosts to liars to hidden enemies to literally everything?
>>98429283Why is Corruption a discipline and not a sorcery path? That's really generic and slotted under several disciplines in VtM.
>>98429283they really hate the Tremere
>>98429306The notion of having a "humanity frenzy" is absolutely baffling. That's called a meltdown, and I don't see why it should be treated the same as a vampiric instinct to kill and feed taking over.
>>98429283>Giovanni, TremereNOPE
>>98428901>Werewolf has lost it's spot in the Big 3 to Changeling Honestly based.
>>98429311They expected House Carna to become popular and it never happened. Tremerefags are tsundere for the Pyramid not feminist rebels against it.
>>98429054the fuck will they even do to the technocracy. They can’t make them bad because modern day philosophy is “trust the basedence, trust big brother”, but they can’t exactly make them the good guys either.
>>98429311no shit.The entities that are writing things straight up admitted they wanted to remove them, but couldn't because they're too popular.
>>98429327The Tremere is chud coded in their minds I guess.
>>98429341It's the clan that embraced Heinrich Himmler, so yeah.
>>98429283>Animalism TzimiscesAhhh... It's almost too painful
>>98429311But they gave the Tremere Necromancy, as if they didn't have enough disciplines.
>>98429290What the fuck does that mean? Is it just ST discretion?
make it stop
>>98429285What about Oblivion, the v5 fusion of Obtenebration and Necromancy?This whole thing feels as if it was radically simplifying things from v20 without acknowledging anything v5 did. At least in terms of the mechanics.
>>98429348>weapons split into light, medium, heavy>all weapons from a category share the same statswhen I compared this to the Cypher system, this is not what I had in mind...
>>98429355So the system doesn't have Virtues?
>>98429351Further dilluting their identity.
>>98429304Look man, I have seen what Paradox is doing. Kill me and release me from my suffering.
>>98429331Unsure if based or cringe
>>98429357vamps don't even get to sit in the cuck chair, they get turned into it >>98429304
>>98429361at least they fixed V5's abysmal xp gainthat's something, right?
>>98429283>>98429285Wait a second, Corruption is basically Serpentis, minus the shapeshifting parts of it.
>>98428846>>Promiscuous gays taking drugs so their lifestyle doesn't get them killed>>Working class Americans voting against their own interests because there's no longer any party for them>>Congress gets older and more ghoulish by the year>>Shareholders cracking whips made of capital at artists to get them to compromise so they can get cultural government funding>>Kids frying their brain's dopamine receptors with short-form entertainment>>The transition of books into a smutty romance distribution industry>>Men so beaten down they turn away from women permanentlyLiterally all of these things were happening in the preceding 80 years. There's nothing particularly special about this year aside from troonery and how much more open and harder it is to ignore. Well, that and buying power has eroded to the point where most people are now feeling the bite of poverty.Either way, voters got what they asked for.
>>98428738Control pays me to dunk on them
>>98429366their identity is the wizard vampires. and no one gives a fuck about Giovanni if you dont want to be an itallian mobster
>>98429378>Any skin contact will doI'm going to rape the soul out of your next player character
>>98429386What if you want to be a necromancer?
>>98429393id rather be a tremere necromancer.
>>98429381They weren't quite in your face like this though, but I wouldn't know. I wasn't from the 80s
>>98429387Wait do you always lower your generation by at least 1???
>>98429007>It *might* be better than V5From what's been posted, it already is. I actually like having game mechanics for telling stories in my game about telling stories. Why don't you?>realistically it'll only be marginally better in so far as the setting won't be retarded nonsense that falls apart whenever your character needs a phoneOk what the actual fuck are you talking about?
>>98429386>their identity is the wizard vampiresThe blood wizard vampires, they were scary because they were the only ones who would use that specific form of magic.
>>98429399I'm sure it's just a mistakeSurely
>>98429405they still are i guess but now they can do necromancy. thats the part i fuck with.
>>98429407*eats all the thinbloods*I can armwrestle Caine!
Anyone got a link to this actual playtest? Or are we just settling for this drip feed?
>>98428952Do it for teh lulz
>>98429416It's on Demiplane. Literally just look it up if you want to browse it yourself, it's openly available.
>>98429294...they are 100% chasing that imaginary larger audience, aren't they? That if they simplify everything enough, enough normies will bother to look at the game.
>>98429416The V6 (official!) Playtest documents are up for everyone to download on DriveThruRPG. They are also on Demiplane and Roll20 (I think) but I don't use either of those so you'll have to find them yourself.There are two required books, the Players and ST Guides, plus the playtest scenario.Players Packet: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/578154/vampire-the-masquerade-playtest-player-packet-pdfStorytellers Packet: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/578155/vampire-the-masquerade-playtest-storyteller-packet-pdfScenario: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/578156/not-in-my-domain-vampire-the-masquerade-playtest-scenario
>>98429414>embrace 20 shovelheads>eat them all>become negative seventh gen vampire>???????>profitnothing personal, kid
Currently only these clans are playable: Brujah Gangrel Lasombra Ministry Nosferatu Toreador Ventrue
>>98429398Correct. Like I said, it's just more open and harder to ignore. It was always there and just being ignored. Now you have to be strung out or in the ever-dwindling upper class to be insulated against it all.
>>98429213A failed woke game
>>98429399They also say you lower your generation by the difference in generations, so if you eat a baby 16th gen as 5th gen you may as well become super Caine
>>98429054>>98429330>set of Paradigms to choose from>streamlined/removed spheres?-force and matter folded into one single sphere-Prime and Correspondence folded into one single Metamagic sphere-Entropy is changed to Fate like in nwod>technocracy are the misguided good guys>order of hermes written to be objectively stupid evil>verbena are radfem wiccans>euthanatos and chorists removed and folded into one
>>98429401The Quantum spooks in V5 that kept kindred society in a perpetual blackout that necessitates the need for errand boys (you) is a big part of V5 (the SI). They also spy on all your phone.
>>98429448I think that obviously only works on the opposite way, 5 - 16 is a negative number so it's smaller than 1
>>98429326The newest edition of Werewolf was revolting. This is a Red Talon Anon. She runs an NGO and has the ability to summon peaceful protestors. A Red Talon summoning a peaceful protest against PENTEX.
>>98429425You'd need some impressive multi-media project to get the normie audience, like Cyberpunk or DnD. That might be what Paradox isn't understanding here
>>98429450>>98429455This is the bullshit they feed you while also telling you they're making a simpler game
>>98429038QRD on the plot of that game (assuming it has one)?
>>98429457They will quietly kill werewolf, it was never that popular and just doesn't fit the current landscape.
>>98429457>A terrorist man-hating dog has the mental fortitude and people skills to lead a peaceful protest against environmental damageKek, I should reread the 5th editions for other stupid characters
>>98429452Oh you're just mad because you/your ST is boring. That's what I figured.
>>98429457The enshittyfication of your favorite splat / faction will continue and you will like it.
This game is a mechanical Frankenstein's monster. I spot mechanics cribbed from Genesys, Warhammer Fantasy RP 4th edition, PBTA, and D&D 5.5e. Now taking good mechanics from other RPGs isn't a bad idea, but slapping them together without understanding how they work is.
>>98429451>>technocracy are the misguided good guysThat would make them some money since Crat players spend money on Mage. Since they hate money and sensible decisions, they are 100% making the Technocracy an unplayable evil faction worse than the 1st Edition. The Order of Hermes and Celestial Chorus and really, all the Traditions will also be unplayable evil factions. You will only play Orphans or Crafts. Mostly the former, as the latter is the minority bait.
>>98429450>game mechanic to eat candyI wonder who's behind this.
>>98429465>Renaming Agg damage for the LolsSomething about reinventing the wheel
>>98429457This was sent to me a weeks ago. New "notable" Werewolves are retarded
Jesus Christ, the amount of space they dedicate to their new Humanity mechanic is baffling.
THEY KILLED HECATA THOSE BASTARDS
>>98429479>difficulties depend on how old is the coterie on averagewho the fuck is this page for omgdifficulties will depend on the shit the players try to pulllike "i attack the prince"come the fuck on
>>98428246I tried this shit once I started getting bombarded by ads and idk, for me it was shit straight from the butt. It felt a little uninspiring and kinda weird, because for me it felt like the devs tried to copy Marvel Snap but making a few small changes to make it different, but you can notice it.Other thing I didn't like it was the art style. Having just cosplayers it's lame, imthey could've used some more gritty comic book or graphic novel style could've made it more appealing to me.
>>98429466The Prince of Prague decided he wanted to call a new Convention of Thorns to make peace between the Camarilla and the Anarchs. He invited representatives of both factions from all over the world, had blood dolls shipped in en masse for the meeting, and stored caches of weapons all over the city in case things went awry. The Entity Special Operations Group noticed the uptick in local kindred traffic.The Society of Leopold decided to make a move against the local vampires. The Leopoldites burned the Prince in a church, the (Brujah) Sheriff blamed the Anarchs and instituted a city-wide bloodhunt, and everything erupted into chaos for like a week. Anyone caught outside Elysium was a target and the best damage control anyone managed was claiming it was "terrorist attacks." Total shitstorm that only started stabilizing when the former Prince's childe took over from the Sheriff.
>>98429489>>98429496yep humanity is a second beast and you have 2 souls
>>98429490see, nobody cares
>>98429503God, V5's plot was stupid.
>>98429490>Make the Hecata then kill the HecataI actually kind of liked them
>>98429465>actual HP system instead of wounds>generation modifier is this dnd?
>>98429496>Schizo game mechanicSweet!
>>98429519Being more monstrous makes it easier to command mortals.Ventruebros not like this...
>>98429357Oh whats this? You want Wraith 6e? Oh boy I’ll let the higher ups know and they’ll get right on it!
>>98429521Same, I liked being able to play the full breadth of the necromancy vampires without feeling like I was being a special snowflake.
>>98429524Personally, I've never liked how any version of WoD did damage. It's been a pet peeve of mine for a while. But this is 100% worse. It's not just D&D HP, it's D&D HP combined with the vitae pool.
The equivalent of Humanity 10 now triggers a game over.
>Retain your humanity, conquer your beast>Mortals decide you're a beta and won't listen to your ordersbruh
it's not even a morality system anymore you turn into a completely different thing whichever way,and you have to keep track of all the shit you can or cannot do
The past eleven images have entirely been dedicated to this ridiculous new Humanity system. This is by far and away the worst thing that this new edition introduces. It's fucking flabbergasting.
>>98429331The Pryamid is too strong to be destroyed
>>98428965>VtM:Bloodlines Kart>13 racers in base game, the rest join in DLC>Made by the Bloodborne Kart dev
>>98429546>Reach Humanity 10>I AM TOO HUMAN, TOO GOOD TO BE A PLAYABLE CHARACTER>ADIOS
I mean Monstrous 1 is already looking like you're close to starting your journey though some kind of Path of Enlightenment
>>98429546Sounds like Beast the Primordial, where reaching Satiety 10 means you become a normal human.
>>98429546>>98429572Not sure if based or cringe, but certainly provocative.
>>98429546>>98429559Wait...you want to be Monstrous in this System?Like, regularly kick puppies to be evil, to not get gooder?What?
>>98429541I like casting from hit points, but not like this.
>>98429546>It's fucking woofshit with depression and super anger againAHHHHGHGGGGGG WHY NOT JUST LET ME ROLEPLAY BEING A USELESS MESS
>>98429587As being Monstrous 2 or higher literally gives you an extra die on all clan Disciplines rolls, while Mortal 2 or higher subtracts a die, you are very much mechanically incentivised to drop to Monstrous 2 and never rise as high as Mortal 2.
>>98429072Pretty sure those 'background' disciplines are not in-clan, so leveling requires more exp. Same as the predator type in V5
Which one is the 14th clan?>>98429587Nah you basically want to ping pong back and forth like a dark tetrad tier psychopath according to your needs, instead of roleplaying out a character's intended arc of hedonistic pleasure and death seeking or absolution and morality
>>98428965>The Jyhad shall be resolved through drag racing.Which clan would win a Drag Race?
>>98429612...I didn't expect being Bipolar as a Vampire outside of being a Malkavian
>>98429627tziggers
>>98428710>It's the only reason other than Bloodlines why anyone younger than 40 gives a fuck about WoDI'm a zoomer and I really love WoD, my friends and I used to play Vampire, Werewolf, and when our brains could handle it we went for some Mage. In general it just scratches that itch I have for irl myths and legends, and it opened my eyes to think how classical monsters can fit in modern settings. And just theorizing how things happened around the world and imagine how some monster from this world was fucking up the world was a nice exercise, it felt like we talked like some conspiracy theoriest that only understood one another instead of greasy kids just geeking out. And desu, I believe the Sseth helped more with getting the zoomers into it. I see Hunter the Parenting for more of a millennial crowd.
>>98429159>Giovanni, not Hecata>Necromancy, not OblivionInteresting.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but we finally found an edition where the Ventrue lost. Acting like a monster unga fuck is better for commanding, even supernaturally, the normies.
>>98429404Lasombra need to roll to use a Cellphone. Lasombra need to roll to press the button on an Elevator. Lasombra need to roll to start a car. .. Where the fuck is Arms of the Abyss?
>>98429646it's better for spellcasting too...for the tzimisce it's business as usual though
>>984292018 dots? Are we back?
>>98429630A Bipolar vampire can just be, Malkavians bipolarness would probably manifest like the Voermanns.
>>98429647>Lasombra need to roll to use an elevatorI foresee many memes of Lasombra punching in the elevator panel
>>98429657bipolar disorder is a mood disorder, multiple personalities are a personality disorder...
>>98429657voermans have dissociative personality disorder, not bipolar
>Doesn't please oWoD players>Doesn't please nWoD/CofD players>Doesn't even please WoD5 playersWow. Are we splitting the fanbase into four this time, or is it too optimistic to presume anyone will be playing it?
>>98429630You don't have to be bipolar, but it works like this:>Become Mortal 3 due to being a good boy>Pass the Mortal 3 threshold again>Lose the Monstrous 3 circle>Pass the Mortal 3 threshold again>Lose the Monstrous 2 circle>If I pass the Mortal 3 threshold one more time, I lose the Monstrous 1 circle. With no Monstrous circles, my character becomes an NPC.>If I don't want to lose my character, I now have to be a total dick and drop down to Mortal 2, then down to Mortal 1, then down to Neutral, then down to Monstrous 1.>If I would drop down to the lost Monstrous 2 circle, I instead regain the Monstrous 2 circle. I can then drop down to it if I continue being a dick.>I now have wiggle room and am not at risk of my character becoming unplayable because he's too much of a good boy, at the cost of having had to act completely out of character and drop down from Mortal 3 to Monstrous 1.
>>98429676you forgot>still too obscure for dnd 5e players
>>98429680I JUST WANTED TO PLAY A VAMPIRE
>>98429647Here.
>>98429676>V5 will become the 4e of WoD, with a tiny retarded fanbase nobody likes
I'm not sure I get the Corruption Discipline.It seems to be a social Discipline like Dominate and Presence, only instead of focusing on mind control or making people like you, it's all about gaslighting and antagonising them instead?
>>98429430No Malks. Are they that scared of offending people?
>>98429717It's chink bootleg Dementation.
>>98429717Both of those powers are shockingly similar to Path of Corruption (thaumaturgy) and Daimonion respectively.
>lasombra get a alternative discipline to replace oblivion with>all their neonate traits require you to have oblivion
>>98429717There were (Dark) Thaumaturgical Paths about corrupting, scaring or "debuffing" people in earlier editions. Contradict was the first power of the Path of Corruption, for example. Infernalists loved those a lot, plus Daimonion.
>>98429680I like how they streamline skills because crunch is bad, then come up with this
>>98429680>at the cost of having had to act completely out of characteThis is what I mean by bipolar, behaving completely differently just so that you don't go too far into the Beast or too far into Humanity.
>>98429283Corruption and Dominate are too similar as is. I'd need to see them either get way more unique or just rolled together.
>>98429749But you don't have to do that, provided that you don't swing towards an extreme.You only have to do it if you're playing a good and virtuous vampire but are on the verge of becoming unplayable, so you suddenly have to start doing bad boy things to compensate.
>>98429670>>98429673I respect you two anons for being trusting autistic, but I'll stand by what I said. A regular bipolar Malk would be too easy
So you're telling me the Lasombra are in the Camarilla and have Infernalism-tier Discipline and Dominate works better on mortals the more monstrous a vampire is.Almost like somebody wants the Anarchs to be the good guys...
>be angsty and transform into a Wiggha>don't be angsty and transform into a Saint(non-consensual)Is this the curse of Caine?
>>98429764the anarchs still have the "ministry" who have the same infernal tier discipline and a even more evil beast the setites are now just flat out the baali
>>98429769The nonconsensual forced sainthood is hilarious considering the Salubri are listed on their list for what clans have what disciplines. Salubri are gonna be a core rulebook clan, but too much humanitas means you have to leave the table.
>>98429764>>98429776There's the Anarch Clan Tzimisce too
Jesus, the last thread is still up and we are about to blow past its post count...
Prove that you aren't a contrarian and say something good about 6e.I'll start, this character art is cute >>98428508
>Your supernatural endurance makes you more resistant to physical exhaustion, letting you keep going when others would collapse. You gain a +2 dice bonus to tests to resist the Tired and Exhausted conditions for the durationwhat? why do vampires now get tired? what a worthless power
>>98429778It'd actually be kind of kino if the Salubri player is basically going through Salubri's after they embrace and diablerize each other
>>98429764>Camarilla are evil government >Sabbat are evil nihilists>Anarchs are just normal revolutionaries Wild how people people keep gravitating towards them as time goes on.
>>98429789I don't dislike the idea about clan curses and a separate nature versus beast tracker, and that's the most you'll get out of me. I can be a devil's advocate for a lot of things, but not this.
>>98429791Staying up past sunrise might make you tired or something?
>>98429744It's very ass-backwards game design. Make the rules that cover cause and effect, how to succeed at a given task, or moving around in a physical space basic and rules lite. But create very detailed, dense, and restrictive mechanics to cover the immensely nuanced thing that is a character's personality and morality. The thing that, ideally, should be entirely under the player's control mind control notwithstanding, obviously is the thing least under their control, and the mechanics designed to simulate how the world itself functions under cause and effect, is simplified, streamlined, and the player given more metacurrency to influence it. It's all backwards, I think. It's like a tabletop game created by Drones.
>>98429789They made ghouls playable from the pre-alpha. Literally I can't think of something I like.
>>98429789>ContrarianImplies there's a consensus about something that just received its first playtest, and that said consensus is positive. You can't be contrary to a standard that doesn't exist yet. It'll take at least a week for one to form, if indeed only one consensus forms. In other words, fuck your mother.
>>98429789i think the idea of more clan inherent traits seperate from merits is a good idea
>>98429789Okay so reading through the playtest, in this edition vampires really don’t have hp because most stuff just bounces off them. Vitae is your health pool, but in-world you’re not actually getting injured, you’re spending Vitae to shrug off the hits and when you run out you just go straight to Torpor. Unless it’s Baneful (aggravated) damage in which case you just die.Recovery is feeding only. the trade-off is a bigger pool, most characters will have 11-15 Vitae since it’s 10+Stamina. And there’s also a social HP bar (Willpower) which is counted separately, so if someone is actively embarrassing you in public that might damage your social hp, but not your Vitae bar.I can see how that works for the other supernaturals too.>Werewolves can survive anything as long as they’re angry enough.>Mages manipulating reality within their paradigm to get around getting hurt (drink an elixir, Matrix dodging bullets, etc)>Changelings having literal plot armour until banality overpowers their narrativeI think this will work for a foundation of a system. I was worried it'd be a little too vampire specific, like Hunger Dice.
>>98429785First time? We're going for 1500 posts this time around boy, buckle up.
>>98429789The book, if gotten for free, can serve as kindling or emergency toilet paper.
>>98429769>transform into a Saint(non-consensual)tough luck
>>98429831I haven't seen a 1000+ thread since quest got banished.
>>98429829>>Mages manipulating reality within their paradigm to get around getting hurt (drink an elixir, Matrix dodging bullets, etc)I feel like that would deflate any feeling of danger whatsoever, the only way a mage can die is if he's caught by suprise, but this gives them a safety cushion to just shrug off an ambush and get away/retaliate.
>>98429831Highest count Ive seen was just short of 1250... that was a crazy saturday, meow. Luckily I already got the dough prepped for the next bread.>We're going for 1500 posts this time aroundI wouldnt be surprised if we hit 2k if we keep going at this rate.
>>98429844we got to a thousand just recently and that was without anything new to talk about
>>98429789I like the art and I like the somewhat return to Blood Pool. That's it.And hey, this wacky HP system with Vitae and Stamina will at least make combat better I think.
>>98429856I mean, will see if there is some kind of assassination rules. There is also aggravated damage as well mentioned earlier in the thread.
>>98428508>Earthshock at second dotWell that's fitting for how useful it is
>>98429869...the fuck
Apparently STs are now regulated by a resource called Drama to make sure that they're playing fair.
>>98429860I feel like I wouldn't use this as much as a player, but I want the storyteller to have the option to offer this as well. Tempt me a little! "I'll give you another chance, if your character's so devoted to this they neglect some other commitments," would be an example.
Fuck v6. Im going crosseyed over all this useless verbiage & keywords. Fucking sanitize & but shit into tight little boxes. Unironically Wyvr-Wyrm coded fucking bullshit. Vile culture vultures. Blatant Tremere hate within the creators. Fucking "duskborn". Call them thinbloods like the slur they are. These fuckers will never EVER learn their fucking lesson
why are these retards making rules for the storyteller
>>98429867>And hey, this wacky HP system with Vitae and Stamina will at least make combat better I think.Can't know for sure without lengthy playtests, but I doubt it. Over-incentivizes mid-combat feeding and gives massive advantages to whoever gets the first strike off. Especially when a two dot power like the new arms of the abyss is listed as having a 2 vitae cost. It means that swinging back the advantage in a fight when you're at a disadvantage is going to be far more difficult and risks putting you into one-shot range. Which means fights will be much more likely to be one-sided stomp fests in either direction, based on whoever gets the first heavy connection.
Fuck off with your spend 5 drama bullshit.
>>98429899They are making this for the modern normies with zero attention span. People who wouldn't know how to run a scene if they aren't given cue cards and a book on how Scenes should work.
>>98429902It would make powers like Theft of Vitae (if Tremere get to keep anything good) really useful
>>98429837Noooooo, my chuddyness is leaving me so that I can engage in introspective thought and philosophy, whatever will I do - type of penalty, somehow this makes me abandon all of my "friends" and associates like some pretentious cunt
>>98429913Wait...if your players are dumb enough to give the ST 5 Drama through Choose Your Pain, ST is basically mechanically encouraged to just fuck the players up in the ass
>>98429865>>98429844To be fair, we did some light questing on bakeslave's punishment>>98429869>Botch, but now there are rules and the ST can't just do whatever would fit bestGay
>blood points back>they are replacing wounds
>>98428858>Anarch post-victory storiesHow hard are they gonna fuck it up?
Btw, if you're wondering why this game is weirdly crunch-heavy in odd points, encourages adversarial GMing, and has a bunch of bolted-on fantasy RPG conventions, I have the explanation.Their lead dev is a Brazilian OSR guy.
>>98429916it doesn't work as a crutch for those who cannot or don't want to run a gamethose who watch matt mercer and the like, and think a gm must be a voice actor, and literally tell you they're too dumb for gming won't become storytellers because you fill a chapter of the rulebook with drama points and story triggersgo write some pages on how to write npcs and cities in vampire instead for fucks sake
>>98429935I thought OSR was supposed to be less crunchy
>>98429935>OSRaaaaaaaaaah there it isthe original sin
>>98429899Lots of games make the ST/GM/DM into a "class" with mechanics all their own these days. It's hip. It's novel. It gives the inexperienced a crutch to lean on. I'm playing Cain and I'm mostly ignoring the story teller rules and doing whatever.
>>98429926Alternatively, the players could just trust the ST to come up with negative consequences for their continuous botching on their own, instead of having to implement a system like this for it.
What are some really tough not metallic materials that could be implanted in a person, wrapping around their bones without causing theoretical medical problems?
>>98429949Aluminum
>>98429935What the hell is OSR?>>98429930That monkey paw would be out of fingers by now
>>98429885it's like they are writing a game to be played to an audience
>>98429949It would have to be something that wouldn't rot or be rejected by the body. Maybe a durable kind of plastic, but that might break down. Sterilized stone or bones maybe?
>>98429966>What the hell is OSR?>>98372743
>>98429888Preach
>>98429966>>98372743first-decade, Gygaxian D&D, its faithful modern clones, and content created for use with them.
>>98429949whatever the spirit-infused materials the glasswalkers are using
This is what an NPC statblock looks like.
>>98429970Or they're admitting a majority of people play pick up games with acquaintances (and best) at the local game shop instead of playing at dedicated tables in your friend's basement for five years.
>>98429983this reads like half of a d&d 4e monster's stats
>>98429054Doesn't street level only for mages just make taking away the option to start higher than Arete 1? Or at least locking it behind a disclaimer that starting higher nukes any street level plans you might have as a storyteller?
>>98429949Real answer? Selenium and titanium. Both are treated as calcium substitutes by the body and actual absorb into the bone if you make implants out of them.It's the reason IRL medicine uses titanium screws to hold shattered bones together.
>>98429983Maybe Paizo can get out of their shitty financial situation by suing Paradox, because that is a fucking Pathfinder 2e statblock if I've ever seen one.
>>98429074Greedy but not impossible after that one thread hit 1200 with nothing driving it but politics.>>98429081>nuking Protean, Vicissitude and Serpentis>to fold them into a discipline that already had a kind of fuzzy identityThey REALLY hate clan specific disciplines, huh.
>>98429988Do you think this Drama mechanic helps with that? If the DM is a dick and wants to be antagonistic it isn't some meta-resource mechanic that will save the game.
I told you it was going to be D&D.
>>98430009No it's stupider than that.Vicissitude is back. Alongside two completely new disciplines. Necromancy is called Necromancy again. But Obtenebration is still called Oblivion.
>>98429330>>98429451Are y'all idiots? Technocrats like Elon Musk and Bill Gates are evil. Elon did a nazi salute on national TV and Gates literally was a repeat guest to Epstein's pedophile island. The Technocracy are going to be unplayable bad guys crushing the people.
>>98429983Genuine question, does health for humans work the same way as for vampires, just a lower number?
>>98430009only protean and serpentis got nukedbut protean got turned into animalism alternative powersbut those powers are using vtr protean as base
>>98430010I mean, in a sense. I think it will. If someone is just an absolute dick, they'll just he asked to leave. This is for the grey space of someone who is kind of bad, but not really enough to call out. The kind of ST you'd rather just walk away from than actually confront.
>>98430009Serpentis is half-back as Corruption.Vicissitude is back.There's also Tellurgy, which Ravnos has and which Tzimisce can have instead of Vicissitude.
>>98430011Yeah, you were right, Anon. I wasn't expecting it to make V5 look faithful by comparison. Especially with all the overtures they made to "going back to the game's roots".
>>98429303>Old Clan Tzimisce had Koldunic Sorcery that involved corrupting and manipulating earth spirits to do things, but that was mostly a Dark Ages thing. In the Final Nights/Modern setting the Old Clan very rarely leave the Carpathians.The fact that Koldunic Sorcery specifically nukes the parts of your brain that make teamwork viable meant it never really had a chance to compete with Thaumaturgy chads.
>>98429975>>98429980Was Gygax really such a player hater? I suppose he did make those trap dungeons
>>98430028>There's also Tellurgy, which Ravnos has and which Tzimisce can have instead of Vicissitude.Chimerstry 2.0?
>>98429693isnt this just Requiem?
>>98430017It seems like 10 max is base human level. Vampires get a higher max of 10 plus whatever because of Vitae. For now, I'd probably narrate combat as near misses and lucky moments. Like, they moved just enough to get grazed in the arm instead of getting shot in the heart. Or, just do the nathan drake uncharted thing where they dodge everything and running out means they've lost all their "luck" means they get one shot.
>>98430041Just to give you and idea, he had monsters who are disguised as ceilings (Lurker Above) and floors (Trapper).
>>98429982Hey this is like that Japanese story, also sad to read.
>>98430045Kinda. Tziggers confirmed for gyppos I guess. In just two editions they've become the runner up to ass mites for most amount of retconned gimmicks.
>>98430045>Using a twisted connection to the natural world to manipulate it, curse the living, twist fate, and subvert the natural order to keep you and your allies safe.Koldunic sorcery, sort of?
>>98428945Who's doing that when they've said they looked at VtR for V6 and when V5's core mechanic is just a Requiem alt rule?
koldunic chimerstry
>>98429860I kinda like this, but it seems backwards.A mechanic that a Storyteller has to spend points so the player wont do it seems like the most boring and control freak situation.It would be better if the Storyteller could offer this, or the player could spend some point (now that we have ALL the token points in the world, drama, quickening and vitae, why not use willpower again) to use this stuff.
>>98430045assume so but old clan tzimisce also get it and it like necromancy and thaum is not in the playtest so we don't even know if it's a blood sorcery or not
>>98429937You need finished rules before you can write tips on how to run the rules and build encounters. Unless you just want general writing advice?
>>98428562She's got 2 dots in Expression and a spec in Music?
So this is basically a weird callback to V20, while making it the bastard child of Pathfinder/D&D It is also both simplifying shit but also overcomplicating shit.
>>98429540>high humanity now also nerfs your powersReally coming out swinging vs superheroes with fangs as an option.
Welp, post rate's kinda fallen off. Guess we all got the initial "oh no no no" out of our system. What I'm dreading is if we get shills trying to defend it, or if it gets drawn out and people won't shut up about it.
>>98430089I'm gonna remain cautiously optimistic until the first wave of feedback goes through and we see what they're willing to re-examine.
>>98430041There's some important context, where Gygax's players were power gamers and puzzle crunchers that loved to outsmart him and viewed meat grinders as a challenge to be overcome. Their characters were, consequently, utterly disposable for the most part, and new rules and mechanics were often invented on the spot in the early years. The Cleric's famous Turn Undead, which you may recognize from such greatest hits as Divine Metamagic: Persistent Spell, was actually invented as an ad-hoc solution to a vampire PC who was too powerful to be killed in normal combat.
I really dislike these systems that use abstracted stats for NPCs. I can see the appeal, but they break down hard when engaged outside of their Intended Scenario. I also think that a degree of simulationist design is needed in any game where mind/emotion control is a common and major power.
>>98430052>I'd probably narrate combat as near misses and lucky momentsThis discussion is as old as TRPGs, I'm not going to say it's bad, but the tone of the game is bound to shift, the wound system was a big part of what that made me feel like I was playing a different kind of game coming from dnd.
>>98430101Ah, so it was just limit testing and a player-gm arm's race
>>98430041In the same way that Calvin's name was tarnished by his student spewing all of the insanity that would appropriately be called hypercalvinism today and John Calvin was a fairly reasonable guy by comparison, the OSR (and other creeps who fetishize an era they weren't even alive for) live as hyper-gygaxists, abusing his legacy as a trailblazer of the hobby to continue setting fires even though the frontier has long since been settled.
So do I just take DAV20 and rewrite the lore a bit? Is that it?
>>98430122Yeah I also felt like it was a pretty important difference, made characters feel like people rather than blorbo avatars
>>98428726Welp, reveal was shit. Back to discussing real games. Rate my toon.
>>98430141V20's serviceable as is, you can use modern nights lore and 20DAV mechanics. Alternatively, someone made a Masquerade in CofD/Requiem mechanics homebrew if VtM with better mechanics is your goal. Lastly, if you know GURPS I've heard that VtM GURPS was mechanically solid, provided you like GURPS.
>>98430057When in Romania, do like Romani do.
>>98430144I laughed. Thank you anon. I will use that pic for a future bread.
>>98430137Yes. But also the hobby wasn't really established back then, which is what much of the stress testing nature of the games was for. Aside from disposable characters (Melf, one of the greatest wizards of all time, famously doesn't have a real name), Gary near exclusively equated the role of games master to that of a referee whose job was to solely set challenges and adjudicate disputes. The players were free to become overpowered or die in obscurity because the world was set with no regards to them, and any clever exploits invented by abusing mechanics or the world around them were considered inherently fair play and clever use of resources.
Shit, as someone who doesn't really like the health/damage rules of any WoD game much, I still hate this more.
>>98430177Propose your alternative then if truly none before have left you satisfied.
>>98429998Those are both metals.>>98429982It would be cool, but thats just handwavium unfortunately>>98429974Im looking at something called bioglass, but bone slivers would work just as well i think.
>>98429404The need to workshop that Clan Curse. I can begrudgingly accept V5 Lasombra’s inability to use modern smartphone’s touchscreens, but being unable to use a fucking computer with a PHYSICAL keyboard without rolling every time is fucking stupid.
>salubri have yet another set of disciplineskek at this point they are going to beat the assamite sorcerers
>>98430202Kill every paradox employee and their families
>>98430122>This discussion is as old as TRPGsEspecially when it comes to stuff like knives getting shoved into PCs or NPCs at dramatic moments while players bitch
>>98429404Lasombra have to seduce their computers
>>98430225i'm listening
>>98430141DAV20 with V20s lore is the best. V20 isnt even all that bad if you just want one book
>>98430202If I had the perfect health system I'd have made a homebrew for it and would be shouting it from the mountaintop. The practical problem is that in order to change health, you invariably have to change how damage works, and in turn then change every power that interacts with health and damage. It's why homebrewing custom powers is easy, but new core rules is very difficult. I hate CofD the least, but it can be annoying to book keep when characters are taking multiple types of damage at once.
>>98428552>>Attributes>They Trying to mix CofD with WoD to merge the fanbases again>These retards never learn. Can't wait for a Third fanbase schism.With exception of Exalted, every WW moved to a NWoD-like attribute spread
>>98430211It's not everyone. You just need to make the check once to be good for a whole Night.
>>98430252>ExaltedThis is an Ars Magica household!
Outside of Mages, can anybody else create forcefields? Like invisible barrier forcefields?
>>98430261The Kineticism discipline used as an example of thin-bloods making their own disciplines included force fields IIRC.
>>98430261salubri could and tremere could with path of transmutation>>98430267Kineticism was caitiff not thin bloods that's why it has 5 dots instead of 3
>>98430202a doll with body parts that you place wound tokens on
Wow it was actually worse than we expected. Time to see if they put their money where their mouth is and rework foundational core rules. we both know they won't.
Newfag question. Is the Dreaming a part of the Umbra?
>>98430289Yeah, middle umbra or some shit
>>98430289literally everything in oWoD is the umbra.
>>98430289yeah it also has roads that lead into every other part of the umbra and vice versa
>>98429949Some shitty polymer elastomer whatever the fuck, I'm sureIf you make some shit up I'm positive it exists in technocratic papers, just requiring you to dig on wikipedia and shitThe guy who invented vaseline ate it until he died (unrelated to vaseline decades later) so some petrochemicals are harmless in that way
>>98430289Yes. Some Magefag or maybe Werewolfbitch decided to pile litwrally everything into the Umbra. At one point the Underworld & the Umbra was more two sides of a coin kinda thing like the Shadow & Ethereal realms in D&D, but eventually the Underworld was dumped into the Umbra too, though its got some caution tape around it
>>98430312I think ctd actually started that with it's Paths of Balor which had all of them connected and had the rules for fae that ventured out be the same regardless of it they went to the astral plane or spirit wildsit's implies that the underworld was worse for changelings and none ever returned from it but that wasn't given a extra set of rulesbut mage is what started to call them the higher, middle, lower and deep umbra
>>98429789They're bringing back Mage so the wizardniggers can finally get fucked like the rest of us, that's nice of them
>>98430328i thought the high umbra and deep umbra were the same thing
>let me tell you about the umbra
>>98429159Assamites spread makes sense
>>98430366High umbra is upDeep umbra is outGo far enough in each direction and the distinction appears meaningless, but it's still there'rats can't or rather won't (consciously) go to the high umbra but dickride the deep umbra, for example
>>98430380>'rats can't or rather won't (consciously) go to the high umbra but dickride the deep umbra, for exampleIt's only natural that the guys who try to get rid of any dreams but their timetable get barred from the nice places. Besides, aren't one of the were-breeds constantly trolling the Void Engineers by sending them strictly to the shitholes so they don't get technocrat gunk over anywhere actually nice?
>>98430366No, what the werewolves call the Deep Umbra is what mages call the High Umbra.Werewolves don't have a term for what mages call the Deep Umbra.Thus everything gets confusing because the werewolf and mages terms are so similar.
>>98429230The setites hit the "degenerate pretending to have found Jesus" canon event.
So is the new edition just another version of V5 or a return to the Revised shit days? I'm not even going to pretend there's a chance they went back to the original editions
>>98430397That's because the dirty animals have no use for nor ability to explore the umbra beyond the "spirit wilds"By their office, they don't have the ability to go to the High Umbra so everything outside their reach may as well be "deep"
>>98430409It V5, but much, Much worse. They tried to make it more like D&D.
>>98430405Is there more than one place called The Abyss? I could swear The Abyss was supposed to be in Oblivion and where the Fallen were all held.
>>98429230so at first it was just a rebrand to joint the anarch movementthen it was said that the cult of set was only one of many cults the clan followed who was salty that they lost control over the clanthen it was said that the church/cult of set was actually all the known cults from previous editions and that the ministry was just what young run away neonates in the anarch movement call themselves that and they failed to take control of the clan and killed a few of their elders which is why the warrior setites will burn your house down if you call them that or insist on calling yourself that in their presence
>>98430409It was all posted in this thread you abject illiterate. It's the unholy lovechild of D&D and PBTA wearing a vampire sin.
>>98428768alfabusa was from 1d4? huh
>>98430420>the Wyrm cultists in denial succumbed to self-destructive infightingWell it's fitting.
>>98430416I think so, it's not a perfect image, but you can't make a perfect map of the umbra, but it's the best ecumenical one I've seen
>>98430416yes werewolf has a abyss that reaches between the spirit wilds/middle umbra and the underworld/dark umbra and is a far more being if still scary shadow dimension what the lasombra and fallen call the abyss is oblivion on that map
>>98430416>Is there more than one place called The Abyss?Yes, there are at least 3 unrelated umbral realm called "The Abyss", just like there's 3 unrelated secret societies called "The Circle of Red".
>>98430435The writers can only think of so many edgy names.
>>98430373Wouldn't this update in real time as we see shit like pictures of Titan, Pluto, Saturn?
>>98430427Rewatch some of their early TTS and pre-TTS stuff. It's all 1d4chan 40k memes.
>>98430328I know it probably sounds gay, but I want each supernatural creature to have its own realm and its own mystical barrier/pathways. Let the Astral touch everything and be where Mages hang out. Mummies dont get their own places but are able to go everywhere with the right abilities. Other supernaturals can have a few rare abilities to go to each other's place but not a lot. CofD almost did this and it would have been nice to see
>>98430435I'm starting to think these ancient conspiracies aren't very original.
>>98430427He was and is a faggot scraper of that seventeen times resurrected wiki of dead 2010 memesThe only way that would be forgivable of not knowing is if you're unaware of 40k entirely
>>98430444There are so many cults and secret societies that it's starting to run into the "This Username is already taken" issue.
>>98430435>>98430444Nobody tell anyone, but I think I'm going to start a paramilitary conspiracy and call it "The Black Hand"What do you think?
>>98430415I'm not done reading the thread. How are they going to reconcile 2 trends that are at odds with each other?>DnD: Shit lore but somewhat fun to play because your character gains many different powers as he increases in levels>V5: Shit lore AND unfun to play because your character is a no name nobody with 0 powers and no levelsIn both case scenario you have bad lore, but the design philosophy powerwank vs powerless wimp are opposites.
>>98430458THAT'STHEGREATPART! THEYDON'T
>>98430454I'll make one only called The Society. Members will be known as The People. Our secret conspiracy will be The Plan. Our meetings will be held at The Place.
>>98430440implying I have ever watched it, it looks like a gimmick dragged out way too long
>>98430467Your instincts serve you wellYou're going to go far if you keep that up
>>98430466I'm pretty sure that's already an enemy faction of Autumn People in Changeling the Dreaming.
>>98430471Can't have shit in the World of Darkness. Ah well, back to the drawing board.Wait a minute... The Board...
>>98430467>it looks like a gimmick dragged out way too longThey fell for the common trend of a parody/comedy show getting unexpected praise for its non-comedic elements, and turned it into a dramedy with increasing emphasis on the drama. Same trap Team Four Star and Venture Brothers fell into.
>>98430474ventrue and syndicate
>>98430380>'rats can't or rather won't (consciously) go to the high umbraUnless they're Control
At this point, I'm actually happy V6 is shit. I hope it crashes and burns so massively that paradox sells the IP just to never be associated with it.
>>98430474
>>98430482Yes, the Board of Directors. That's a perfect name for a conspiracy! I like these Pentex guys already; are they hiring?
>>98430458>reconcileHehehe
>>98429905Well at the very least I'm happy that they can use the word trigger without fear of anyone getting triggered.
>700 posts>Page 6Wow, paradox made a product so shit that it united the community in shared hatred.
>>98430474You called?
>>98428865Sorry to hear it was a bit of a shitshow, at the same time my own group has gotten so stable I sometimes yearn for the janky fusterclucks of more amateur games. It's also good to see that literally every Lucifuge ever rushes Mark of the Beast for the Temu Dante experience. Thought it was just my table lol.
>think to myself v6 surely wont be that bad, probably just as retarded as v5>they somehow make it even worseholy shit lmao
>>98430497
>>98430497We seem to finally be slowing the fuck down, but holy shit breadslave is going to get folded like a lawn chair tommorrow.It'll be V6 rage And HtP newfags all skubbing the fuck out.
>>98430503They might catch up to us, unfortunately it was so unilaterally bad that there's nothing to argue about. HtP might save (damn) us tomorrow.
>>98430405what's that map even fromI'd frame it on my wall
>>98430508>breadslave is going to get folded like a lawn chair tommorrow.Is it still a bussy if the femboy has boobs? Or is it just anal with a futa woman at that point?
>>98430405>The Abyss is different from Oblivion*chair clattering*
I can see how a game designer could talk themselves into a lot of this, like the vitae = health and the fuck ass humanity system. These are very "game designer" ideas that don't take into consideration actual, regular play. Horrible ideas, but I can comprehend how one gets there. What I can't understand is what the fuck they're doing with the disciplines. V5, at least, was coherent in its vision for changing the disciplines. Get rid of "unnecessary" disciplines and fold them into existing ones. I don't agree with it, both in theory and in practice, but again, it follows logically. But axing some disciplines, restoring others, and inventing two new ones? What the fuck? How did you even get there?
Damn, White Wolf saw the flawing neon sign of "you're about to go fucking bankrupt and die" and decided that raping their system even further into the dirt with V6 was preferable to pleasing to only audience they have. we truly are in the final nights
>>98430497More of a befuddlement.
>>98430531drachenlord is the last person i expected to see here
>>98430531isnt ww a subdivision of paradox e.g. all of paradox would need to go bankrupt? it would be fucking hilarious. God I hope v6 bombs and they sell the ip off for 3.50$ to some indie self-made collective of former devs or something. That is the only good path forward I can see, and even then it's a gamble on if they are retards.>>98430542meddl loide
>>98430531I have no idea of who these people are besides Chris
>>98430531No LTG?
>>98430525>What I can't understand is what the fuck they're doing with the disciplines.I can tell you that, this was their poorly executed attempt to mend the fanbase schism by trying to please the OWoD, CofD, and WoD5 fans by blending the mechanics of all 3 game designs(already an impossible task) AND they're trying to attract disgruntles D&D 5e fans by mixing in elements from D&D 5e and Pathfinder 2e. If you know anything about the gaming industry, this is a clear "middle manager game". A game where poor business performance has motivated middle managers to stick their fingers in every level of the design process in a desperate attempt to save the business, but only succeed in ruining the product by chasing trends they don't understand.
>>98430547drachenlord is a german internet persona who lives (lived?) on a run down farm and may or may not raped a horse and let it starve to death
>The metaplot is backLmaoWhat are the writers of this shit? Certainly not the same from V5?
>>98430508>breadslave is going to get folded like a lawn chair tommorrow.I dont know if that is a good idea while Im taking this medication. Even my tentacles have been lethargic. Also does anyone know why there are a bunch of ginger manlets fighting a pack of dogs commanded by a beefcake homeless dude outside my apartment?>>98430517Y'know despite playing a femboy on /tg/ Im not well versed in that sort of thing. I thought Futa was a genuine hermaphrodite while femboys were boys that dressed like girls... wait wouldnt having tits make me a shemale?
>>98430531Who is bottom left?
>>98430570no they bought in a dnd 5e literally who and a brazilian osr fag
>5th edition vampire and werewolf still have the most games among normies
>>98430564he should write for mage then
>>98430500I mean. Why even be the son of the devil if you dont have a demon form? Plus its malleable free stat increases do you can be a tank or a gun bunny or get a crapton of strength. Going full extra Dex with a shotgun is fun with the "n" again rules. I think i had something like 7 again with my shotgun so I could stack so much damage if i activated it. Eventually I died to the ST being a faggot, who basically kidnapped Officer Bayard through a portal out of nowhere & had him fight a monster solo with no escape. So I rolled up a new character, using the witchfinder rules, an Irish American stoner druid. Who could shapeshift, entangle people with vines, run fast, & other fun stuff. I became a much more annoying thorn in his side as now instead of just being an investigation guy with a dog & a demon form I had all kinds of versatility he didnt like. Eventually the game died because he had an monster/NPC rape players characters in their dreams/nightmares.
>>98430572Keep taking your medicine, doctor's orders.
>>98430517If it has a dick its a man. Plus the fairies are turning him butch
>>98430578>osr>metaplotBut... But OSR fags don't like metaplot...
>>98430517Femboys don't have a pussy so they're not even close to futas
>>98430531Who's the Tremere?
>>98430583Huh. I always thought they were split 50/50. I guess it would depend on platform to platform but I have no idea how demographics changes it. Either way, kind of a sad showing considering 20th is never advertised. Or rather I heard they even banned advertising it lol.
>>98430595Oh I get it, last Hunter game I was in our Lucifuge carried some dangerous combats with his devil trigger. >Eventually the game died because he had an monster/NPC rape players characters in their dreams/nightmares.I hear so many stories about stuff like this I'm almost offended nobody's ever done it to me. Almost. Sounds like a weird ST in any case.
>>98430599Will the faeries by a punishment or a reward?
>>98430610Eh, I wouldn't trust a single online game hosting site (roll20?) to be a representative sample of even the normie-ish playerbase.
>>98428508
>>98430607A gay nigger pedophile
>>98430615it's startplaying, which is like roll20 but instead of 75% pay to play "professional" dms, it's 100%.
>>98430574>>98430607Creepshow art and Joshua Moon
>>98430531Setite should have been Pamperchu
>>98430572>wait wouldnt having tits make me a shemale?Shemale is a newfag term for t ranny porn . It won't apply unless you have the tranny look .Since you like a girl, but with cock, you are a trap.
>>98430620Jesus Christ how horrifying.
>>98430624I think there's a "Pedophile" you're missing in the middle there
>>98430626>Since you like a girlSince you LOOK like a girl.
>>98430531Explain these images to me in excruciating detail
>>98430612Man I love that Castigation. They really almost got things perfect with Endowments because some of them are treated like gear or singular powers with a narrow focus & they work well in that regard as you build utility as you upgrade your dots & then some of them rely on your ranks in the Endowment like Castigation, where having Mark of the Beast/devil trigger is really only useful once you have a few points in it, so youre encouraged on a meta level to take useful utility but not that powerful powers like Familiar at the beginning & then around 3-5 dots go in with hellfire & mark of the beast where you can really benefit from you high dots
>>98430572>Also does anyone know why there are a bunch of ginger manlets fighting a pack of dogs commanded by a beefcake homeless dude outside my apartment?That's just the average day in chicago/seattle/Las Angelos/New York/Detroit.
>>98430626>>98430638This reminds me of getting on the /vg/ globals for some games and seeing discussions about gock and traps
>>98430613Theyre gonna make him butch and masculine but make the cute cat ears and tail permanent. He will be johnny bravo but neko. Whether this is punishment or reward is not for me to decide
>>98428858>somehow, the elders have returned
>>98430612And yes. That particular ST was fucking retarded. Loved to gloat & be in control but had no grasp of mechanics or rules so he made sweeping decisions & just made all enemies into "fight until it feels right" no matter how much damage you sent their way. He ran a game of exalted where I had an Earth Dragonblood monk guy with a stunning power martial art & a big tetsubo. I was able to stun people for as many rounds as I rolled in damage in exchange for doing no damage or something like that. One hit on his big villain followed by several rounds of us turning him to mince meat & suddenly my power never worked on anything ever again. Just a outright asshole of a person
Why are we getting so many santa posts?
>>98429140>>98429303>>98429097Protean is folded into Animalism now. Which I don't generally dislike all in all. Unlike in V5 there isn't that "you can only have as many powers as dots" bullshit. Gaining a dot of a Discipline in-Clan is New Dot x 5 and you get a power of equal or lower dots for "free". Then you can spend Dots x 2 to pick up any power you don't have so Gangrel maintain easy access to everything they used to have, plus get Celerity in-clan now too. On top of that Clans get more unique traits than they used to so Earth Meld is exclusive to Gangrel and they can have that to start with. Which I think is important because the flip side to this is that Nossies are getting "Protean" too but they also get a couple of unique extras too.That is all certainly different but I think it's a major improvement over V5 and if all the Clans end up more distinct I can't say I have a real problem with it either. Plus there are Ancilla Clan traits too, and presumably Elder ones, which sounds like a good direction to go in to address some of the issues of vamps feeling a bit flat at those sorts of tiers. I also think people are skipping reading these things all together but they're pretty important parts of where Clan identity was retained.>>98430024>>98430028Serpentis also survives as Ministry Neonate and Ancilla Traits, they might be more snaky now than they've been in a while. The Neonate stuff is Beguiling Words (forked tounge, lie real good), Eyes of the Serpent (seems more like Enchanting Gaze to me but still Serpentis), and Serpent Speech (does what it says). The former and latter scale with Gen, Eyes improves at Ancilla. The Ancilla stuff is Heart of Darkness (its Heart of Darkness), and Divine Image (its Divine Image) both scale with Gen. I do like Serpentis but it's one of those Disciplines whose niche is just being other Disciplines so making it more unique to Setites and giving them something else in its place is probably a good move.
>>98428858The Anarchs "won"? Fuck that
>>98430677Satan* that was dyslexic as fuck
>>98430678>Protean is folded into Animalism now.It got removed.>>98430678>major improvement over V5Lol
Am I the only one who doesn't hate the Fifth Edition's artwork? I felt that a lot of the art from the Chronicles was a bit bland, so it seemed to be an upgrade.
>>98430677I was wondering the same. On one hand its probably just thread speed/number of posts, on the other... its WoD, shits spooky in here
>>98430640Drachenlord - Brujahloud, aggressive, lives like a fucking bumLiver King - Gangrelclaims to be about the old ways, is actually just a hobomaxxing roidheadChris Chan - MalkavianThe dimensional merge among other thingsCyraxx - NosferatuUgly as sinPizzacake - Toreadorprides herself on being an artist, will form a vendetta against anyone who critisizes her work, also horny as fuckJoshua Moon - TremereKiwifarms is the pyramid with the users meticulously cataloging any oddities they findEthan Van Sciver - Ventruecharismatic enough to take over the comicsgate movement for himself and form a hitsquad of trolls to defend his domain against any who threaten his controlCreepshow Art - Lasombraattempted to control narratives and start dramas in the art community from alt accounts, aka trying to rule from the shadowsKeffals - TzimisceTranny who wanted to troon other people aka fleshcraftingCharlie Zelenoff - Banu Haqimfights people in the streets and thinks himself a warrior of sortsAndy Dick - Setiteseverytime he is allowed around other people he will push them into drugs and alcohol , this has lead to him killing people beforeDarksydephil - GiovanniDespite being a massive fucking idiot who by all accounts shouldn't be as successful as he is, he is free and untouchableDaniel Larson - RavnosHobo who can absolutely fuck up someones day when he's allowed a mic, also a massive liarto be perfectly honest i phoned it in on the last two
98430689Get better bait
>>98430689the OP pic is v5 so the bakeslave seems to like some of it too.
>they removed proteanwell that's it for me I'm sticking to my V20 edition
>>98430696Thank you anon, thank you.
>>98430678Oh great, the first shill is here. Go back to Rio, Manolo Noguera or whatever your name is.
>>98429457Anon, you can't have Red Talons tearing an expy of Peter Thiel limb from limb, that's antisemitic
>>98430677He is breaching containment early this year. Mariah Carey is unthawing ahead of schedule. Control is sweating. Syndicate has been empowering him to increase profit margins (the longer christmas period is, the more profits..) but it's a runaway effect. They fear that within the decade, christmas will have consumed the entire year.. The consequences are unthinkable.
>>98430696>Despite being a massive fucking idiot who by all accounts shouldn't be as successful as he is, he is free and untouchableDescribes my feelings on the Giovanni so well holy shit.
>>98429546The more I think about this the more it pisses me off. Your character is seriously supposed to fuck off from play in a puff of angst that sounds ripped from a cliche about mixed race stories?
>all the disciplines killed remain killed>all the nerfed disciplines remain nerfed>they now removed protean>added meme-disciplines potential for this to become a trainwreck worse than v5?
>>98430641Endowments are good, Vigil is good. There's only so much to say because aside from a few questionable core rules (true of both nWoD and CofD in different ways) I'd say it's an all-around perfect game (for what it's trying to be). I wish the combat was a bit more refined, but perfect combat is kind of a holy grail for TTRPGs in general. Nobody's ever really made a game with perfect combat, even the games that focus on it, which WoD doesn't. >>98430674Wild.
>>98429063C-covenantbros??
>>98430737It's playtest, it can still be reverted, right? Right?
>>98430737Now let's be fair, they un-killed Vicissitude. For some reason. The real issue is how D&D derivative character creation is, and the move to simplified NPC stats and other "trendy" game-ist design choices. It's weird to think that oWoD, aka one of the first narrative-focused games, is more simulationist than any new game on the market.
>>98430666IIRC that was always intended to happen according to some dev who was planning for it to be a hackneyed Iraq war veteran metaphor.
>>98430685Feral Claws, Beast Shape, and what's essentially Abombwe's Invoking the Predator/Req Protean's Predatory Aspect are in Animalism now. Earth Meld is a Gangrel thing now so that is more iffy.
>>98429546Is this an out of date april's fool joke?
>>98430755Being honest, they'd probably be inclined to change some details (discipline powers and the like), but I doubt they'd actually undo core mechanics like the atrocious Vitae = Health idea or the fuckass new humanity.
>>98430769I fucking wish.
WHAT did they mean by this?
>>98430746step in the right direction but not exactly what the covenant wantsthe covenant wants necromancy so cease being a seperate discipline from thaumaturgy entirely
>>98430778wut
>>98430781Nephandi
>>98429283>Tremere faggots are not fucking invencibleYOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
>>98429283>Valeren still dead in the water despite not overlapping like Serpentis
I... genuinely didn't think it'd be this awful. I'm sitting here wondering if I was somehow too harsh on V5. V5 genuinely resembles older editions more than this stuff. I just want 20th and CofD back. Why is this so hard for them to grasp?
>>98430788I guess they just playing along with the usual fuck the Tremere jokes
>Can use magic without paradox>Can travel the umbra>Can implode mortals>Can implode werewolves>Now have more powersTremereGODS...
>>98430814*weren't just
>>98430803You WILL enjoy Nu-slop, the beatings will continue until morale improves!
>>98429413>we have parseltongue now
>>98430815Still not getting Thaumaturgy path spam back, T*emere
>>98430744Yep. HtV is just great, the absolute best thing to come out of CofD & the one real pro it has over oWoD in my opinion.
>>98430803Even if they don't end up great I'd rather new editions try new things. 20th and nWoD are still there for me to play and something that's more of the same is just more of the same. Health looks fucky, the new Morality stuff might be terrible in play, but at least clans have got some fun new stuff and the new discipline design is interesting. The momentum and doom mechanics I always ignore but otherwise it's at least gonna be something new to try than the exact game I've had 100s of sessions of.
>>98430826Idk, a lot of the game lines are good enough without being discount X:the Y and Deviant is good enough to use everywhere else as a supplement. CofD is honestly very kino
The pet clans got more powers while the rest got nothing like always
>>98428627 >>98428671What is the point of the game?
>>98430831Deviant is great, as is Geist, and both Hunter and Demon are better in Chronicles than World. Vampire, Werewolf, Mage, and Changeling are all worse, though.
>>98428698 >>98428721Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization, because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization, which is of course what this is all about. Evolution, Morpheus, evolution. Like the dinosaur. Look out that window. You've had your time. The future is *our* world, Morpheus. The future is our time.
Do you guys think Norfolk wizard game is making them pull mage ahead of werewolf..? I CURSE YOU ALFABUSAAAAA
>>98430860No, it's because they already ruined Werewolf so they have to make sure Mage gets it turn to be shit on. Notice that Changeling also gets mentioned in their plans.
>>98430830I could understand that logic if not for the existence of the new stuff actively killing new supplements for the old stuff. Which in the case of WoD, it demonstrably did. HtV2e was cut tragically short with only a single official supplement because of Paradox's fuckery, so I reject the notion that I should want new (bad) shit just because it's different.
>>98430845Tzimisce are a pet clan?
>>98430863Changeling can at least be sure that Dark Ages will hog enough attention that they'll probably only in danger once 7th edition comes knocking.
>>98430860>>98430863Same reason they're skipping Hunter, everyone still prefers Vigil and they've put a stamp on the new IP's lore and worldbuilding to be able to pull from in later books. So there's no reason to really make a Hunter 6, Werewolf 6, etc yet while Mage and the rest are still on what they probably think of as an archaic and chuddy version. They're probably high priority since they have the weird sexual shit going on also, like Hermione masturbation or dog girl pooka
>>98429214>16th generationMore thinblood shittery?
>>98428815Tell us about the Changeling situation of Botswana.
>>98430868It sucks for WoD that's not really a new edition problem but a Paradox support problem. If OPP suddenly decided to stop making 20th to work on a new thing out of the blue, I'd agree, but it was out of their hands. I also didn't say you should want new stuff. I said I, myself, personally want the new stuff to try new things with the opportunity. No one is trying to sell you anything I was just talking about my own personal views on the subject of editions changing things up. If they're gonna exist I'd like them to at least exist for a reason and not be there just to rebuy more of the same.>>98430877More likely that WtA and HT"R" aren't that old so they're doing things without a 5e so they can then make a 6e of woof and hunter after more time has passed. It also lets them build up more positive receptions to the line given that H5 and W5 didn't sell well at all.
>>98430826Personally, I'm not a fan of most of the oWoD splats, so I'll have to disagree with you there. I'll even go so far as to say that besides serious mechanical improvements, Requiem has some fun stuff in it lore wise. The main problem is that its bread and butter (Clans and Covenants) don't have the legs required to carry the game the way Masquerade was largely carried by its Clans. Genuine question for the anons btw, since there seem to be a lot of Vigil players here. Would you guys be interested if I made some Vigil STV books? I've got a few ideas kicking around in my head, much as I hate editing stuff.
>>98430880Anon, 16th gens were a thing made in V20 more than EIGHT YEARS AGO.The only reason we dpn't have 17+ gen vampires is because they'd literally just be weaker ghouls.
>>98428846Animé is the religion of the opiated.
>>98430897>Anarchs won>now they have to build a societySo are they gonna fuck up massively or are they gonna write the Anarchs actually making a decent attempt at sticking to their slogans?
>>98430860>>98430877Wraithbros... Our game is dead...
>>98430899I say Fuck it, lets have the 18-through-22 gen vampires that are literally just zombies with just a shrinking blood pool(from 10 at 18th to 2 at 22) to differentiate them. It'd truly be the time of thin blood when the blood literally can't make any new gens(because 23rd gens would be blood pool 0, and thus unable to rise in the first place).
Is it wrong to hope gencon burns down and all the developers of V6 tragically perish in a fire?
>>98430920Yes. Because it's a game about vampires
>>98428866At least Demon is safe!
>>98430912>Wraithbros whitewolf can't ruin the game anymore, they forgot it exists.FUCK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!
>>98430927fuck yeah
>>98430912Stygia is canonically experiencing its 7th Great Maelstrom. My source? I made it the fuck up.
All this time I wanted a 6e so much but it's not looking good...
>https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/world-of-darkness/news/vtm-sixth-edition-faqi swear i cringe everytime i read vamilly..
>>98428866It genuinely seems like they're doing this because they know WoD6 will flop and they just want to be spiteful to the mage+changeling fans on the way out.
>>98430912Didn't Orpheus already confirm that 99% of the Wraith setting got nuked by the 6th Great Maelstrom?
>>98430935You forgot that you were wishing on a Monkey's Paw, not a Genie's Lamp anon.
>>98430943yes but wto20 ignored that already
>>98430943>6th Great Maelstrom?Anon, the 6th Great Maelstrom began in the Ends of Empire book for Wraith.That book ends with the player becoming the next deathlords and building New Stygia on a Far Shore safely away from the chaos.Orpheus takes place in Old Stygia.
Given that the Sixth Edition is definitely going to be dogshit, should we continue with our Fan Reboot of Darkness? Can we do better?
>>98430949>wto20This book was so bad that wraith players just went back to 2e, all 12 of them.
>>98430956I keep telling you man, if you want to make a homebrew project of your own, you have to be the one to take the initiative. You can't rely on the input of a general that's 50% nogames by volume.
>>98430956>weAnon. This project is 90% you. It's not even a reboot, it's so different from WoD that it's just another game entirely.If you want to do a proper reboot, stop trying to change everything about it.
>>98430912Excuse me you mean Orpheusbros? Anyway, I consider Orpheus alt-canon so I can safely cope that Wraith is safe.>>98430953Old Stygia, Nu Stygia, whatever
>>98430956Just make a thread on the catalog bro. It would be better that swimming in the sea of shit that is going to be v6
>>98428926>>98428942Cain, the first murderer, became the father of all vampires millennia before the release of unrelated Belgian Techno anthem "Pump Up the Jam".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIsc6zirBSw
>>98430943Orpheus is a wild game. Doesn't it end with you becoming planeswalkers, inheriting Excalibur, and turning Tokyo into a spirit bomb to destroy a black hole?
>>98430984>millennia before the release of unrelated Belgian Techno anthem "Pump Up the Jam".>citation needed
AHHHHH SAVE ME MARK!!! SAVE ME!!!!!
>>98428947VAMPIRES... IN SPAAAACE!
Guys, GUYS!!! It’s just a playtest, remember. Everything is still subject to constructive criticism and feedback. :)No, calling them faggots is not constructive criticism.
>>98428949 >>98428955Oh, by the way, I've cracked the code. I've figured out these shadow organizations. And the Illuminati know that they're finally primed for world domination. And soon you've got black helicopters comin' cross the border, puppet masters for the New World Order. Be aware, there's always someone that's watching you. And still, the government won't admit they faked the whole moon landing!Thought-control rays, psychotronic scanning, don't mind that, I'm protected 'cause I made this hat from aluminum foil. Wear a hat that's foil lined in case an alien's inclined to probe your butt or read your mind. Looks a bit peculiar, seems a little crazy, but someday I'll prove there's a big conspiracy!
Were gonna get a Mummy20 book right bros?
>>98431011What if we called them dumb ass faggots?
>>98431011>i can't even post my reaction
>>98430877dog girl pooka?
>>98428994Now you understand why Changeling: the Dreaming was the most horrific World of Darkness game of all.
>>98431011I strongly doubt that they're willing to do an about face on health and character creation, which are the chief reasons I think it looks like dookie. Since they'd need to go back to square one, this is foundational stuff.
>>98429283>Hecata (G*ovanni) DisciplinesAuspex, Necromancy, PotenceInteresting. They kept Hecata’s Auspex, but also the G*ovanni’s Potence. If they revert the Clan name back to Hecata, all they’d have to do is switch Potence for Fortitude.
>>98429101>Thing is, wod was ALREADY simple and casual friendly. It was so simple there was a sizable female audience.We should have hired fujos like Anne Rice to save us.
>>98431011Even if I loudly shit my pants in protest, they will never turn back to 20th anniversary in the ways that matter because a corporation fundamentally can not be this retarded and edgy. I am actually kind of ambivalent on new mechanics, but I hate how tenderqueer the new material feels and there's just no way it's gonna change.
>>98431064Agree. We need more gay (Fujo) and less gay (troon).
>>98429283Which clan has the best discipline spread in this? I think tzimisce.
>>98431129tzimisce depends entirely on how good the two disiciplines that aren't in the playtest will end up beingi personally think lasombra might be a bit overtuned in the mental control department because corruption looks to be far better than presence
>>98428508World of Daggerheart
>>98431129Hard to say without seeing the new/changed disciplines. I may have to stop making fun of (animalism) clans.That being said, Tremere is still pretty good - as long as they don't nerf magic too much.
>>98431151I feel like Banu is going to be just better than Tremere, they are fast stealthy wizards.
>>98431151>as long as they don't nerf magic too muchIf they don't make Thaumaturgy just another Discipline, they haven't nerfed it enough.
>>98431167Auspex and Dominate are just too good to pass.
>>98431169Thanks, v6 developer!
>>98431178I don't have to be a V6 developer to realise that Thaumaturgy shouldn't provide the Tremere with more options than every Discipline combined.I just have to be sane.
>>98431191I'm assuming it's going to be closer to V5 as it's still called Blood Sorcery which means it'll be a big version of Path of Blood
Please God let Changeling be good. C20 is such a great game, I seriously hope they don't nerf Changelings, being a reality bending Fairy fighting banality is so much fun.
>>98431204That's all it ever should have been, to be honest.
>>98429789I like that it forces you to be a monster like vampires should be, instead of tragic Crow wannabes.
i might get flak for it but i actually like blood sorcery being a Obtenebration and Abyss Mysticism kinda deal where a normal discipline has rituals, but i feel like assamite, tremere, setite sorcery and koldunic sorcery shouldn't be the same discipline in this case (as should shadow magic and necromancy)
>>98431210I think chances are good. They've done a lot to take all Vampire editions into account here and while I don't love all the platters it at least seems written with a good understanding of the whole line. Assuming you believe the dev blog they did play them all for this project too. They've walked back a lot of what V5 did in the metaplot even. Which I felt was gonna be a big sticking point.
>>98431258Blood magic's entire theme and identity is that it's NOT a discipline though.You can't use it while frenzied, you can't get it from diablerie, ghouls aren't limited to 1 dot when learning it, non-ghoul mortals can learn it, etc.Making it into Abyss Mysticism is just pissing on 30 years of lore.
>>98431167It appears we have v6 tranny devs in the thread
>>98431267If they pull from CtL then 'lings are sure to be powerful.
>>98431279Dreamlings are more powerful than Lostlings. I hope they keep CtD style magic.
>>98431267>plattersI meant playtest. That's what I get for phone posting.>>98431279I don't know enough to compare the two in terms of strength. V6 hasn't seemed to take much from VtR in terms of identity though so I'm not sure C6 would suffer. H5 was just HtV so it could all be doomed, but I'm pretty sure this is a different team altogether.
>>98430860Mage means world building and Changelings are better "magic furry freaks between humans and true spirits" than werewolves. I think the team is admitting here that werewolves are obsolete.
>>98431258>>98431269We should just have sorcery as an entire sub-system, which tremere(and some other clans) happen to specialize in.
>>98430909I feel like that'll be for players to decide.
>>98431167>they are fast stealthy wizardsIts a shame we are at image limit or else I would post a pic of Shadow Wizard Money Gang
>at the image limitFUCK, I NEED TO BE ABLE TO POST THE BIG D POTENTIAL MAN MEME TOMORROW! THREAD PLS DIE SOON
>>98431294>We should just have sorcery as an entire sub-system, which tremere(and some other clans) happen to specialize in.Anon, that's literally how it already works in OWoD.
>>98431039The pet play character
>>98431305that's the joke
Blood Sorcery was simply Sorcery powered & themed by blood. Its a Not!Discipline like Necromancy. Cappys had Mortis which wasn't Necromancy. Abyss Mysticism. Settite Sorcery, AssMite Sorcery, etc all just diluted the waters. The devs wanted to spread out the idea of Vampire Sorcerers beyond just Tremere. Modern WoD like V5/v6 cant handle the nuance & breath of systems like that anymore. Theyve abandoned everything for simplicity & dumbed down & keyworded, & categorized every little thing til the system chokes on it.
>>98431299WE LOVE CASTING SPELLS *SCREAM*
>>98431313It's worse, they're dumbed down in respect to mechanics that handle cause and effect, but are bogged down with ungodly amounts of crunch in roleplay, which is the part that should actually be rules lite.
When is bakeslave planning on baking? We need fresh bread in preparation for the Episode 6 newanons. Corporate will surely be displeased if he takes too long.
>Side note, something to reiterate: removing the Hecata in place of Giovanni again is a terrible idea and I know we’re talking mostly gameplay but story wise I want to flag that hard right the fuck now>It's crazy that we're back to Giovanni after Ghost Council, Hart Wardens and Galestalkers. I liked Hecata. It discouraged the Mafia BS.>Hecata was one of the coolest things I read in v5. Bloodlines joining together to survive the second inquisition and Gehenna.>MY HECATAS NOOOOOOOOOOOO>Hate the change back to Giovanni. I really liked the idea of the Hecata. But moreso as a genuine collection of necromanic bloodlines in a political alliance>Also I don’t like that they’re called Giovanni again!!! Please keep them as Hecata that’s another good V5 change you’re tossing out!!!!!Lots of V5 fans are throwing a melty over the Hecata being chucked out in favour in the Giovanni, with some people trying to make it a cultural appropriation thing like with the old Werewolf tribes.Huge amount of them are coping by pretending that the Hecata are going to become a full-on sect instead.
>>98430277Ah, the Dwarf Fortress strategy!
>>98431332I vote new thread be made at whatever his Lunch time is tomorrow.
>>98431269regular mortals can learn thaumaturgy? thought it required vitae and not just regular blood
>>98431313necromancy actually was a discipline originally then they turned it into path magic latersame with mortis which was a discipline in the first dark age edition and proto necromancy with paths in the secondi don't disagree with your larger point i just think that it's funny that they did it twice possibly thrice if necromancy does return to being path based after being just a set of oblivion powers in v5
>>98431326Exactly my thoughts too. The mechanics for what Thaumaturgy needs are gone, yet theres a thousand bullshit mechanics for shit they dont need
>>98431336i would actually enjoy this.
>>98431339tome of secrets. mortals can learn blood sorcery with the exception of the path of blood and certain other paths and rituals that involve vampiric nature as sorcery but they need to wound themselves to cast it as if they been a mage with the blood magic flaw. the book mentions that there are mortal kolduns running around in eastern europagiovanni also already knew most of their paths as mortals and the rules for mortal giovanni necromancers is found in the player guide to highclans
>>98431333>Lots of V5 fans are throwing a melty over the HecataNah, a lot of nogames that get off on the idea of companies having to lick their feet are taking to social media.I doubt paradox has caught on to the fact that 99% of these people don't and never will buy their games.
>>98431311sounds harmless as far as weird wod fetish material goes. Post it or tell me the book so I can see.
>Players typically make all dice rolls, but you might decide to roll dice for an NPC for any of the following reasons>PLAYERS TYPICALLY MAKE ALL DICE ROLLSHow do we feel about V6 not allowing STs to roll dice by default?
>>98431353That feels thematically weak. If you're gonna do vampiric blood magic, you gotta be at least a ghoul.
>>98431362The players all control one character each. The ST controls all of the other characters. I understand wanting to streamline the ST's ability to play twenty characters in a combat.
>>98431353so can vampires learn regular sorcery paths then? or does it only go one way.
>>98431363It's not vampiric blood magic. Tremere magic is mortal magic kitbashed to work off blood.Most actual vampire blood magic is obscure shit the tremere don't know and also path of blood.
>>98431301>>98431332Bakeslave here. We are roughly 43 threads from the bottom of the catalog. New bread will be posted tomorrow around 09:30:00 as I will be unable to reliably monitor the thread after said time. The fact Im still awake right now is a little surprising. Very hectic day... and for some reason there is a car of with multiple people sitting in my driveway. Thought it was my brother in law but it was 3 black guys. Welp Im wide awake now because that was sketchy as fuck.
>>98431367>so can vampires learn regular sorcery paths then? or does it only go one way.Probably only one way otherwise you'd have vamps picking up path of hellfire instead of lure of flames.
>>98431339It gets converted. Its WHY blood sorcery/Thaumaturgy is so powerful. Its just Sorcery but Vitae powered. All sorcery can be learned by Sorcerers.>Thaumaturgy>Abyss Mysticism>Settite Sorcery>Necromancy>Hekau>Mortal Sorcery>Chi Powers>EtcIt's all just "magic" with sometimes different power sources. But again, those power sources are all the same power but different flavors/Resonances so they arent always directly compatible without things like paying extra.Adding to this, the reason Blood Sorcerers are scary is because most other sorcerers can only hold a handful of their respective Power Source & is slow to recover, while Bloodpool expands exponentially with Generation & is easy as finding something to drink to restore it.
>>98429789I kind of like the idea of discipline powers "maturing" as you gain higher levels.
>>98431368It's actually established consistently that blood magic is more powerful than mortal magic. Though, hellfire is stronger than the path of flames, but as we've hammered on, the devs are really bad at the game.
>>98431374 Stay safe man, that sounds a bit dangerous, understandable why you'd stay awake. Tbh situations like those are why I own home protection, though ideally the situation calls for monitoring and preparing to call the cops. Sometimes people just loiter while they're trying to get off though
>>98431342Mortis is a Discipline of the Cappys that is actual Death powers. Necromancy is a Sorcery powered & themed by Vitae, many Paths of which were developed by the Gio's study of Mortis. Its kinda like the difference between Celerity & Temporis.
>>98431377>Adding to this, the reason Blood Sorcerers are scary is because most other sorcerers can only hold a handful of their respective Power Source & is slow to recover, while Bloodpool expands exponentially with Generation & is easy as finding something to drink to restore it.To the point where you had Blood Treachery with that one scene of Hermetics picking up a Tremere elder while scouting out a chantry and thinking he was a node before they saw him.
Guys which surname sounds cooler:-Wachtmeister -Lewenhaupt-von RosenYes, I'm doing Swedish nobility.
>>98431367eeeeh that depends heavily on the book you use as primary source. tome of secrets says you can't learn sorcerery as is but you can make a counterpart blood sorcery path losely based on sorcery path other books like 1e sorcerer say you can learn sorcery paths as it as blood sorcery so long as there is no counterpart already existing in vtm and another books "wolves of the sea" might say that you need a expensive merit for that but the last one is written so weirdly that the merit might be about powering non blood sorcery paths with blood and not what allows you learn the sorcery in the first place... and revised sorcery let's it 100% up to the SThow blood sorcery and sorcery relate is one of the messiest thing in wod
Wake up baby! New shill line just dropped>There's no vampire blood magic! Everyone can have a blood magic! Every clan, every race, every mortal and every tribe!Please give blood magic to the werewolves since you're at it
>>98431367Yes. Its more useful to describe it as accessing Sorcery Paths through Thaumaturgy.
>>98431367>>98431375No. There are limited exceptions to this, so it's only a 99% no instead of 100%.
>>98431381Isn't that why a good chunk of the advanced discipline options were things like buying across the board upgrades like no longer needing eye contact for Dominate?
>>98431374Do you own a gun? Did you call the police?There is no way in hell I would allow anyone to sit in my driveway.
>>98431392again true in the first dark age edition but mortis in the second edition of dark age has paths and rituals it's really just proto necromancy it even has some giovanny necromancy paths already which means that the cappadocians just had a skill issue instead of being a inherently worse bloodline as the first edition tried to portray themand v20 and dav20 then just make it necromancy
>>98431382I think since vampires are weak to fire, their fire magic can be a bit weaker than mortal magic. That sounds like a fair trade for demon vampire powers.
>>98431399Von, it feels more royal.
>>98431405Its more likely that some Tremere researcher tried to convert it & lost its potency. A Tremere could still learn the OG Hellfire, but would have to pay extra to power it
>>98431366While I understand streamlining the process of managing multiple adversaries, I'm not sure I agree with making STing completely dice-free by default, on top of the Drama system.It just feels like STs are no longer being trusted to run games using their own judgement and there are now a bunch of rigid rules to define how they're allowed to referee and arbitrate games, instead of just being trusted by their players to make a cool world and challenging encounters.I can't wait for:>Um, ST, you need to spend 3 Drama in order to do that. Please spend 3 Drama, otherwise you're breaking the rules of the game.
>>98431415Despite the name, Hellfire isn't actually about throwing fireballs. It's a generic lump of elemental attack magic that you can shape whenever you cast it. Meaning it's not only larger and stronger than the path of flames, it's more versatile to boot. People don't really care since it's the gun spell and practically replicated by gun, but it's very flexible in how it guns.
>>98431167At this point every clan is a mix of other clan. Is true that this feels like a mix of pathfinder + 5e + whatever narrative slop they saw on the market.
>>98431399i am probably biased because the Lewenhaupt are based and had a lot of generals and kings, but i don't know how they sound for foreignerswhile count (graf) is the higher a von rosen ever got and watchmeister is a rank is it not?
all this talk about discplines. what about the setting? it got nuked again?
>>98431433It is a rank in German, but also the name of a Swedish noble family:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wachtmeister_family
>>98431437Beckoning was a hoax, SI didn't really happen, AI slop was rendered the Masquerade actually invincible, though the elephant in the room (the Masquerade is fake and mortals will never rebel) is still unaddressed.
>>98431422I feel like that kind of rules lawyer-ing can already happen. Just replace Drama with any resources an NPC can have.
>>98431445Beckoning wasn't fake, it just ended and we don't know why Yet(tm). Masquerade will hopefully come up more with it being easier to explain smaller violations with AI and shit.
>>98431437hunters couldn't keep up the momentum and the beckoning is over and elders are coming back after 20 years sidhe style and the gehenna war ends in a whimper
>>98431453>Beckoning wasn't fake, it just ended and we don't know whyThis and the metaplot being back gives me a bad feeling
>>98431453we already knew that vampires build up resistance to the beckoning. the hecata been immune to it because cappadocius used it to cause the feast of folly and he overused his bat signal so much that everyone left became 100% resistant to it
>>98431453Redditors assured me they were walking back the Reckoning for all of V5, to the point that the last update on it was that the Elders themselves were perpetrating it as a hoax and playing musical chairs to shit-test their minions or something equally pointless and asinine.
>>98431466I think Redditors were trying to defend and shill you the game in their own way. The beckoning and all the other shit from V5 being still in the game is so hilariously bad idea that I don't know what to say. You're coming to a game which a lore turned into complete slop.
>>98431411>>98431390Its going to sound stupid but I dont care for firearms (I prefer knives).I thought it was my brother in law (similar car look) until they got out of the car but they just kinda shuffled seats before sitting for a minute and driving off. I have a very ghetto mentality so I like to think Im really good at gauging escalation. I havent been shot, kidnapped, or mugged yet in all my years in this city. At worst Ive dealt with assholes who like to pound their chest at me or fiends trying to finesse me.
>>98431484If shit hits the fan, you can always try to seduce them.
>>98431362It's not my favourite thing but it doesn't often affect the functionality of a game in a serious fashion. I think the majority benefit it has is with player engagement more so than streamlining. Keeping players alert only makes the game more fun and if they're aware they need to physically roll dice outside of their turn I've found it can help with that. Which isn't a thing every table needs help with but I've not found there to be much downside to it either. It's just one of those things. >>98431422I don't think it's really about trusting the ST so much as it's about abstracting tension into something more tangible. Every game I've played with some sort of GMetacurrency has had a similar level of impact. Players start off pretty cavalier but as the session goes on they get much more cautious and start weighing up the costs of failure more. It also lets GMs be meaner without it feeling adversarial. Bad things that come out of nowhere, even if dramatic or interesting, are often less interesting than bad things that happen directly from something you did. This sort of currency helps bridge the two by making it feel like all the terrible stuff is because of something you did. If you're climbing a pipe and it breaks despite rolling a success that can feel unfun even if it makes the later scenario better by stopping you from skirting around something interesting. If you paid the GM off to save your skin earlier and then a pipe breaks, even if you succeeded it tends to feel more like a consequence of your actions. Because it is, just at the table instead of in the game. It's not a thing that works for everyone, and I've never had a rules lawyer like that at my table, but I do think it's a paradigm that can be genuinely very effective.
>>98431446Currently, the ST can decide what resources an NPC has, so that sort of quibbling is pointless. However, with Drama, the whole process of Storytelling is now strictly regulated by a resource.Want an NPC to survive after they've been defeated? You must spend Drama.Want some hunters to ambush your players? You must spend an amount of Drama dependent on the encounter's difficulty.Want a scene to feature heavy rain that making hiding easier and tracking someone harder? You better believe that will cost you 2 Drama, ST.I'm aware that you can just get rid of this system entirely, but then you need to get rid of the Devil's Bargain system and part of the Choose Your Pain system, both of which the game has likely been balanced around.
>>98431466not really what happened. they retconned the beckoning from being the implied work of the antediluvians to the work of "blood god" level methusulah in the gehenna war bookdespite the fact that several of the vampires that been categorized as blood gods in that book been affected by the beckoning in previous books... ooops
>>98431366>I understand wanting to streamline the ST's ability to play twenty characters in a combat...What does this even mean? His ability? Like it's an unfair advantage he has? What? Or do you mean it more in a "take the load off the ST" way? Because I can promise you giving 5 retarded monkeys random character sheets they've never seen before will slow combat down to a crawl, not speed it up.
>>98431422>>98431489It's about capturing the free-form scripted drama of streamer shows like Critical Roll and Roll20 imo
>>98431501That's never been my experience with them. Probably on account of there not being a script.
>>98431484That's pretty interesting, imo I don't see why. Actually, I do understand the theory with people who own firearms developing a bias in looking to use it, as well as a higher likelihood of using it on yourself, but in the current year I think anyone is best off owning a handgun for home defense. Your average kindred should probably be strapped or have the means to secure their haven.
We need a new thread if only to be able to post images.>>98431399Wachtmeister, because I cannot not imagine Ian Wachtmeister as anything other than a vampire.>>98431401>There's no vampire blood magic!The very core of blood magic is the Vitae itself. If you don't have it, you can't do blood magic. Full stop. If you want to do blood magic, you have to source that Vitae. You can learn the rites, but you can't do them.>>98431367Yes. Sorcery is just Sorcery. Anyone can theoretically learn it. This is not to be confused with True Magic, which requires an Awakened Avatar, which Vampires empathically do not have (or they do and it becomes the Beast, but that's speculative).
>>98431493this is mindbogglingly retarded, sasuga "white wolf"
>>98431493Currently, the ST can decide how much drama points they have, so that sort of quibbling is pointless.
>>98431501>>98431489I'd rather just have a table that has faith in their ST to provide an interesting session, instead of demanding adherence to a resource system that has the potential to turn every session into something predictable, rote and formulaic. We're safe, the ST is down to just a couple of Drama. Oh no, the ST is hoarding drama, now we better get cautious. It really does encourage metagaming.
>>98431498Is this your first time reading?
>>98431513No, they don't. The amount of Drama available to the ST is strictly determined by the rules. 1 Drama per player character at the start of each session.
>>98431506 the scripting thing is more of a joke, though some situations do read off as scripted in those shows but generally I do think they are just good entertainment. After season 1 though Critical Roll kind of went downhill, but viewership is the only thing that matters to Paradox in trying to emulate the game pace and DM-player interactions for those.
>>98430697The truth isn't bait.
>>98431511>>98431433>>98431416A fourth vote to break the tie?
>>98431515Keep in mind, you only need FIVE drama for an all out bullshit super attack on the players. It doesn't need that much stockpiling.
>>98431519Are the police gonna kick your door down for breaking drama rules, but also let you go for changing shit in other editions?
Keep in mind, Critical Role doesn't even play Daggerheart on stream anymore. They're using D&D 5.5
>>98431515As would I, though I think it's less a problem of metagaming and more a problem that the ST can't just decide the difficulty of an entire session in advance, some are bound to have more shit happen than others and that's fine, drama and quickening seems like an extra layer of convolution that could just be handled but having better actual mechanics
>>98431524>Dude if you don't like it just change itThat could be used to deflect all criticism about any TTRPG ever. We're critiquing what was written and pointing out that it's a dumb system as it is written. "Dude just change it if you don't like it" adds nothing to the conversation.
>>98431425Discipline-wise clans were always a mix and not even every clan had something unique there. V6 is making disciplines less unique from what I can tell but is making clans more unique in other ways beyond the weakness and spread. Frenzy manifests a little different for each but they also get some unique traits that are somewhere between merits and powers. Brujah get to either add Potence to melee, provoke violence in others, or wrestle better. Gangrel have earth meld, feral whispers, and a thing that lets them make animals they compel tougher. So it's a bit of a mix of consolidation and greater diversification from the looks.
>>98431399I'm going to wildcard it and say Uggla
>>98431528You think no offical story is ever going to have special or boss encounters? It's always gonna be weak to mid encounters? It really sounds like you are obsessed with following the rules (of an alpha) to the absolute letter, which I doubt you're doing with whatever edition you prefer.
>>98431523But then you don't have the Drama required to make the encounter more challenging in other ways, like giving the Elite NPC extra actions, recharging their abilities or regenerating their Health and/or Willpower.
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>>98431515Sure man. Like I said, it's not for every table. I was just speaking to my own experiences with it. Although you don't have to keep the pool public if you don't want and I'm sure not using it wouldn't break the game.
>>98431530I'm saying it doesn't seem to present a new unique problem compared to previous editions. You can absolutely throw some unbalanced shit at your players and curb stomp them just like before.
>>98431535>Implying I'm even going to give V6 a chance
>>98431533Cheeky motherfucker.
>>98431532>but is making clans more unique in other waysclans have been losing uniqueness since revised because the current writers are afraid to do anything offensive though
>>98430894https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0
>>98431545And now they're adding some stuff in to do that. What's your point?
>>98430938‘‘In da clurb, we all vam’’.
>>98431510That is a part of my thought process. In my experience, most people wont pull theirs if they dont feel like they need to. If youre gonna fight then they will fight, if you look twitchy then they get twitchy. I also have a fear of collateral damage. There are few things that terrify me quite like someone innocent being injured inadvertently by my actions. Knives to me greatly reduce the risk of that occurring.Hmm it seems someone got impatient. Do I make new bread tomorrow or just let that one take its place?
>>98431023Time for Mummy Sixth Edition! :D
>>98431116Only wh*te w*men with a love for the knot can save us!
>>98431399My grandmother once told me that when she came to Sweden during ww2 she was some sort of attendant(?) to someone she just called "The young miss Lewenhaupt.The young lady in question was apparently over 90 when they first met yet my grandmother, who would have been a teenager at the time, talked about her like a close friend.So I'm voting Lewenhaupt, because my grandmother was clearly once their ghoul.
>>98431601Interesting.May I ask where your grandmother came from?
>>98431594But a Verbena already wrote M20, and you see how that turned out.
>>98431582Revamping Mummy's entire backstory and gimmicks for what, the third or fourth time?
>>98431612Isn't Bruccato more of a Hermetic?
>>98431538Wow, you really had to cuck bakeslave like that, huh?
>>98431649He needs a whipping from time to time.
>>98431611Germany.I'm not quite clear on the details (getting stories out of the few surviving members of that side of the family wasn't easy) but it seems she was sent away at the first sign that the war was turning against them.
>>98431638I only parrot /tg/ memes, so all I know is that he's a wiccan retard goatfucker. I also once looked at his blog which was literally just screeching about trump. His last post on his blog before going dark was a "this is the final stand against trump you have to vote" including a literal lord of the rings screenshot and a stand against darkness screed. And then Trump won the election which is a really really funny artifact to end your blogposting on so I felt like I had to share that.
So, when will we be getting the latest L.A.R.P. rules?
>>98431649My balls have a sapphire coloration. I was surprised we hit image limit as quickly as we did. I actually was excited for the next bread though. Screenshot of a satan post along with a call for everyone's predictions for the new HtP episode. Was thinking of a reward system for prediction accuracy but not quite sure what to hand out for each tier.
>>98431501If they wanted that, they should have supported the few Youtubers who were already doing that.
>>98431519>1 Drama per player character at the start of each session.Is it trying to be Spookybeans?https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/96136/spookybeans
>>98431667>Screenshot of a satan post along with a call for everyone's predictions for the new HtP episodeI predict that we still won't know for sure who the ghoul is.
>>98431667>My balls have a sapphire coloration. Seek medical help.
>>98431633Arisen of the East!https://www.nbcnews.com/world/asia/scientists-say-found-worlds-oldest-mummies-far-egypt-rcna231558
>>98431692My insurance is tapped out and the doctor who prescribed these pills said I cant undergo other medical procedures until I finish with the prescription.
>>98427666>>98428666>>98429666>>98430666https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_mePjkQW_c
>>98431667>Screenshot of a satan post along with a call for everyone's predictions for the new HtP episode.Good thing you got cucked, then, because what's relevant right now is making fun of the V6 playtest, not some tv show.
>>98431715It's four one in a thousand posts happening in the same thread. How rare. Maybe Satan really did bring us V6
>>98431717My anticipations were: Today we were going to shit talk v6. Tomorrow the HtP people will come in and take up a large part of the thread along with anons still shit talking V6. Once we made it past friday, Saturday will tapper back to more "normal" levels of traffic.Considering the traffic. I feel like there is a good chance the other thread will hit image limit before the new episode drops. If that is the case then I can still make the bread I wanted to make.
>>98431728Considering how much there is to shit talk about V6 the only thing that's stopping the rage from continuing is the lack of people trying to argue against it.
When will we get Hunter: the Parenting 6th Edition?
>>98431734I'm not sure they even plan to acknowledge 5th edition beyond a few bits.
>>98431755According to them it's mostly 5e with some 20th thrown in. This is also sort of because they have to.
>>98431732True but the v6 images being posted along with reactions, I wouldnt be surprised if image limit was achieved sometime before the new episode drops.
Anyone ever play a non-Mage with Do Martial Arts?
V6 is gay.
>>98431802There we go everyone.1000th post in the thread.
>>98431638Bruccato has written the verbana tradition book, the black furies tribe book and those have remained his "main factions" so to say as authors for the entire run of owodhe also seemed to at least have believed the stuff about the feminine spirit that was put down by the patriarchy which he put into those books and the nwod furry book he wrote as that is apparently 1 to 1 from the wicca cult where he got the satyr name from
What were vampires doing during the Impergium? Do they have any history from back then ?
>>98430715>that's antisemiticAs Werewolf should be
>>98432323The Impergium began in prehistory, before the earliest civilizations, when humanity were still troglodytes that had just discovered fire. At the time the list of vampires was very short and perhaps only Caine himself existed at the time. Enoch was already a booming city when Caine appeared and started siring childer. By then the Garou had already started turning on eachother over who wasn't enforcing the Impergium zealously enough.
>>98431540not if you are playing RAW, which is what the conversation is about
>>98429283>no one noticed Dom Malks are standard in V6
>>98432731Dom malks were standard since v5, this isn't new so nobody calls it out.
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