>>98436918
A dapper looking Nocker, if I say so.

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Name a single goddamn flaw.

>>98436932
>Humanity scale
>Merits and flaws are limited
>no freebies
>Backgrounds changed to resources

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>the mysterious force just disappeared half the sept
>im going to lie down and awoo*gurgle*
>(oh no i can feel it taking me too!) *gurgle*
>(gaia save me!)*gurgle*

>>98436918
Homid Galliard Silverfang, always wears a white tshirt, a chrome necklace, jeans, a leather belt with a large buckle. He also has his families signet ring which he has an obsessive derangement towards, and a Grand Klaive, and various talens and fetishes when appropriate

>>98436932
Date of Embrace.

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What do you think Saint Spyridon is in WoD?
They say that his red shoes constantly wear out because he goes out at night doing good deeds.

A high humanity Cappadocian?

>>98436967
>mr saint spyridon nicked a golden watch
More like a Samedi.

>>98436918
I have a tremere guy who wears all kinds of different clothes. He does stuff like changes up his routes, wardrobe, car, etc. Not only is it good paranoia, but doing so gives him a sense of time & change, he thinks it might help save off the stagnation of undeath. If he never gets used to something then it means his mind is still malleable. On constant though is he wears a lot of bangles torcs, rings, amulets, pendants necklaces & other jewelry & accessories. He does this to obfuscate the handful of foci, talismans, & such he wears. He does run a cult & he has a "cult leader outfit" that he uses for his cults activities. Its a red robe & golden leper mask

>>98436956
This is why we can never leave lupus alone in the septs

>>98436932
It's V6.

Also, Brujah being "anti-authority" is so fucking stupid.

I don't really understand mummies besides being a really weird beef jerky version of HFY/Exalted

>>98436932
>Straight numbers instead of dots for attributes
That's literally one of the biggest parts of the storyteller/storytelling system why the fuck would you not show dots

WHO WAS THE CHAPTER GHOUL THOUGH!? IT'S BEEN 2 FUCKING YEARS!

>>98437147
>Grimal going fucking blow for blow with a glabro form werewolf
Gee I wonder

>>98437073
There's two forms of Mummies, one is spawned by the ancient Egyptian spell and the other one happens when one of those Mummies uses a piece of their soul to replace a damaged part of a mortal's soul, which turns that mortal into a mummy also. There aren't many of them

>>98437196
>the other one happens when one of those Mummies uses a piece of their soul to replace a damaged part of a mortal's soul
Immensely hot.

>scotland gets its own branch of werewolves
>they're depraved chaotic evil lunatics
och nae

>>98437210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXbvGEVgwo8

>>98437210
>>they're depraved chaotic evil lunatics
So... like all other dogs?

>>98437222
silence, wyrmboi

Good morning
Sex with werespiders
Poor Grimal

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>>98437210
So like all other Scots?

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>>98437252
>Sex with werespiders

>>98437257
Diddled by some random, tried to stare down a Drone (and lost) and now this? His bosses won't be happy about this.

>>98437258
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPhQ3-ApCTM
I'm just posting these because I love the voice acting here btw, but I'll stop now

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>>98437216
>>98437277
>this is what the english sounded like before 1066
I, for one, welcome our Norman overlords

>>98437257
I think bakeslave should be blonde. Also, bigger tits.
Who's with me?

Assuming they won't scrap the whole project, what fo you think they're gonna change about the playtest?

>>98437318
You probably won't actually be able to suck souls out through blowjobs or eat thinbloods until you're gen 1 in the final version.

>>98437323
>won't actually be able to suck souls out through blowjobs
>sad salubri noises

>>98437318
>patch the Diablerie loopholes
>balancing various points and dots with the character creation & meta currencies
>keep working on making magic not all feel samey

>>98437318
In official channels, the most vocal feedback seems to be:
>Your character becoming unplayable because they are too moral and human is stupid, especially if it involves your character deciding to kill itself in a moment of human clarity.
>The Drama system is stupid and really limits the creativity of the ST and will either be ignored by STs or end up shackling them and really limiting what they're able to do in games.
>I'm really upset that eight years of V5 is almost entirely being reversed and that we're going back to the 90s status quo, it makes everything that V5 did feel meaningless.
So expect a lot of redesigning of the Humanity Scale and the Drama system, and maybe expect the preservation of some V5 stuff, like Giovanni being reverted to Hecata again.

>>98437344
I feel like drama points will work fine and people are just upset about change. Since people feel they're too ridgid, maybe they could be tied into that character creation difficulty thing? Like, if you make Eldars you get more drama points, and neonates get less drama points. That'd give you some options and guidelines for shaking things up. People universally hated Hunger Dice when they came out, and now people only half hate them. Some people are even ride or die super fans!

Also, besides the Giovanni, what about V5 is being reversed? The announcement literally mentioned the Beckoning as having happened.

>>98437344
No bitching about how retardedly crippling the Lasombra weakness is? It basically makes them reliant on ghouls, when its been established that Lasombra's in general don't do ghouls.

>>98437348
The Beckoning happened, but is no longer ongoing.
The Second Inquisition happened, but is no longer ongoing.
The Hecata happened, but have reverted to the Giovanni.
Everything that V5 did to push the setting forward, even if we don't like how it pushed the setting forward, has been solved and no longer influences the setting, except as historical events that happened in the past.
Lots of V5 fans apparently hate that and "I don't want to go back to the 90s" is one the most common complaints.

>>98437360
>when its been established that Lasombra's in general don't do ghouls.
Hasn't it also been established that they have a tendency to beat the fuck out of their ghouls because they do stuff like comb 53 times instead of 52?

>>98437363
I personally didn't mind the lore changes apart from the Beckoning. Stuff like the SI in a world that becomes more and more surveillance state made sense to me (as, to be honest, does vampires figuring out AI slop to flood the zone with fake shit to confuse them). Hecata was...okay, my only gripe was that initially everyone just had the Giovanni bane, which was retarded. Also the Tremere deserved everything that happened to them.

>>98437366
Lasombra have always been likened to cat people to the Ventrue's dog people.

>>98437370
>Also the Tremere deserved everything that happened to them.
If the Pyramid remains broken, I'll be happy.

>>98437379
Didn't one of the V5 blood god books have Saulot still pulling tricks forcing "Goratrix" to help out Salubri antitribu to counter it?

>>98437057
>Also, Brujah being "anti-authority" is so fucking stupid.
Well, Ventrues are currently in control of most high offices of power so of course Brujahs will claim to be against all that while also trying to establish their own rival power network (see Sparta/Athens and Rome/Carthage and USA/USSR conflicts that were controlled by these two clans).

>>98437363
>Everything that V5 did to push the setting forward has been solved and no longer influences the setting
Really? Where'd they say that? The way I interpreted it is that we'll be dealing with the fall out of those events and rebuilding after a great deal of loss. The Giovanni thing you've got me on. Besides that though it seems like we'll be picking up the broken pieces of the world.

>>98437399
The complaint is about the fact that Brujah are now mechanically anti-authority, not just anti-authority because they're not the ones in charge.
>The Beast inside you demands that you challenge authority and break the rules that bind you. You satisfy it by challenging leaders, disobeying orders, destroying symbols of authority, and any other action that defies or sabotages structures of power and hierarchy.
>When you frenzy, you act against whatever or whomever you see as an authority figure in the scene. This act can be as simple as refusing to do what you were sent there to do, or as elaborate as actively trying to undermine an authority figure, such as urging a crowd to heckle the person giving a speech. All your other actions suffer a dice penalty equal to your generation modifier.

>>98437285
Isn't Bruce meant to be speaking Scots rather than Old English?

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>>98437402
V5 fans seems to be interpreting it differently. Second Inquisition has collapsed under its own weight, the Beckoning has ended, the Giovanni are back for some reason and are no longer Hecata, everything is just back to the 90s with a 2020s coat of paint. That's the V5 fan's complaint.

>>98437408
Wasn't that always part of their curse where they wouldn't be satisfied with any status quo even if they were the ones who made it.

>>98437425
What is The Promise of 1528?

>>98437428
No, their clan curse was originally just uncontrollable anger and a higher propensity for frenzying.

V5 and V6 has turned this into uncontrollable anger specifically towards authority figures and a higher propensity for frenzying against authority figures.

>>98437432
Brujah have finally become the Based Retards they were always meant to be

But what happens if a Brujah Prince/Archbishop frenzies?

>>98437432
>>98437447
Brujah should have an innate drive to challenge the status quo, not necessarily authority itself. A clan of former warrior philosophers can do more than start marxist revolutions.

Hey, I'm looking at the V6 playtest. Specifically at character creation, page 27
Is this implying I have the option to distribute 7/5/3 among physical, social, and mental attributes, OR to distribute them among power, finesse, and resistance?

>>98437430
the non agression pact between the giovanni and camarilla that promises the giovanni their neutrality and makes them the only kindred that the camarilla isn't considering either citizen or enemies

in v5 there been rumors that the promise would end after 500 years, but back there the implication was that it was very likely just that rumors, rumors that the capuchin was using to scare the giovanni to the negotiation table after he and the cappadocians assassinated the elders in clan giovanni who knew the details of the promise. however i guess the current team has decided it's real

>>98437457
>change for the sake of change
And they said vampires couldn't be Wyld affiliated

>>98437399
Brujah are impulsive and violent, with strong tempers and emotions. As a result, they have a general tendency - by no means something that will override their fundamental beliefs by itself however - towards extremes, and to radical solutions (and subsequent situations).

It has absolutely nothing to do with beingn"anti-authoritarian" at all, and countless Brujah have in fact been enforcers of hierarchy and order and authoritarian structures since before the fall of Carthage, and most since the dark ages have been a pillar of the Camarilla, especially since most of the lower nobility (i.e. knights, etc.) of the Ventrue missed the merchant class gravy train and became a part of the Sabbat.

>>98437460
> physical, social, and mental attributes
This. You can confirm by looking at the distribution this PC has:
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>>98437466
Maybe the Giovanni do join the Camarilla and the rest of the necromantic bloodlines that were going to be in Hecata leave the Gios for the Sabbat?
And the reason the Tremere can pick up Necromancy now is that the Giovanni offered to teach them the Sepulchre Path as part of the Promise of 2028?

>>98437147
I've recently come to accept that they don't really have a serious plan, and the plot increasingly exists only to facilitate giving pity jobs to their ever-widening cohort of amateur voice actor friends and to satisfy SpeakerD's desire to blab about his autistic headcanon. And/or they just decided fully committing to a whodunnit was too hard and went to this since it's abundantly clear there's a widening power gap between the animation team and the writing team.

Ghoul was probably Grimal, her (probably) being killed off before it's even revealed to the audience is a baffling move, and an unsatisfying way of closing a plotline they had already practically abandoned for the foreseeable future. But really the writing of the last episode shit the bed the moment the actual fight against the werewolf started. Which was a shame, since there were flashes of good what with Brock stepping up to the hero plate and D finally seeming to lock in.

Also the sheer stupidity with which everyone approached the fight undermined the emotional weight of Grimal's (very by the numbers and cliche) sacrifice.

I find the in-story advertisements increasingly jarring and annoying. Holy shit just shill your overpriced plushies normally.

>>98437586
midnight siege had a highranking camarilla member (i think it was a justicar?) state that they would like the giovanni to join but that their reputation is so bad that the can't sell it to the average camy... which is hillarious given that they have the tremere as members

but midnight siege is a revised book so i don't know if the current writing would consider it

>>98437602
>which is hillarious given that they have the tremere as members
Everybody needs wards for their havens. They don't need a fleshlight with two weeks before it finishes rotting.

>>98437588
I've always thought their venture in WoD was just their desire to show off everything they love or find cool about the setting, and they never had any meaningful plans or drive for a strong narrative. It'll be like TTS where the "story" is just an excuse to show off some awesome visual they made up or make a joke about a thing in the setting.

>>98437588
The entire plot arc is symbolic of the War of Rage. They werewolves are doing wrong, but believe they are right, so they just continue to do wrong until the Rage takes hold of them and they fuck everything up for everyone. There can be no reconciliatory outcome now. The Leopoldites will never stop coming for the Black Shuck and the Arcanum is honor bound to destroy two of the werewolves at this point. The Werewolves will die, and probably only the Glass Walker will walk (lol)

>>98437363
I think a lot of the angst about this shit is because the playtest is for testing the game bit of the game and has 2 pages of fluff. So they're treating the fluff as all the fluff because they've never heard of a playtest or an alpha and expect this shit to be magically finished.

>>98437602
>>98437605
would you say the gios have a worse reputation than the lasombra? those are in the camarilla now after all

Potentially a hot take, but the Giovanni are probably the second worst clan in general, with plot armor even thicker than that of the Tremere's. They got away with usurping a far larger (even after the Feast of Folly) clan, despite getting a later start to it than the Tremere, and not only did they manage it, but they also somehow convinced the Camarilla to give them a special exemption in this ludicrously one-sided treaty in exchange for... nothing at all from what I can tell. At least the Tremere needed to join the Camarilla outright in order to deal with the amount of enemies they made. They're a textbook example of a Clan that really works better as being a practical bloodline, even if they can technically claim clan status. Especially since everything they do other than necromancy is done better by Ventrue, Lasombra, and Tzimisce.

And for what it's worth, I genuinely prefer the necromancy balkans. The desire to force them all into one thing is understandable but misguided. I want a messy, indecisive usurpation. If it goes the same way every time, it feels boring and unrealistic. I like the idea that there's a bunch of shattered, fragmentary bloodlines of the Cappadocians running around, and also the genuinely unrelated Nagaraja. That way, you can use whichever necroid best suits your chronicle, and don't feel obligated to include the incest wops because they're a "Clan".

Some things being messy and complicated is important to making a setting feel realistic and lived in. I don't think the people writing VtM have understood this for a long time.

>>98437645
giovanni are weird to me because they have like retroactive plot armor the cappadocians didn't exist in early vtm they got retconned in with the first dark age book and the giovanni chronicles before that the ancient clan of death was just called giovanni

i think it's because the giovanni needed a hook as they always been the least favorite clan when it came to book sales, but white wolf's only idea was the just copy the tremere's homework instead of changing the clan itself to be more interesting and in doing that they accidentially made a clan people liked more with the cappadocians

So does Obeah/Valeren have an extra curse associated with focusing on it too much like the other disciplines or did God decide that giving you a third eye for learning it was enough drama already?

>>98437602
>>98437631
The Giovanni have a history of playing the Prestation game with the Camarilla better than certain Cammy clans. The Camarilla lost the Brujah to the Anarchs and they need all the help they can get. They just have more reasons to keep the Giovanni inside than allow the Harbingers and Capuchin to steal them. The Giovanni have invisible ghostly spies.
I just think that, whatever comes to your mind when you think of "the Giovanni's reputation" matters little here, maybe the Elders are being pragmatic for once.

>>98437612
Perhaps it was a mirage, but I was sold hard by the Probing of Kevin and especially A Life Well-Lived that they could do serious writing well. Everything after episode 4 has been downhill for me.

>>98437620
You have far more faith in them than I do. Besides which, you can have a strong theme and still fuck it up in execution. I'm struggling to really take this hunt seriously with how mind-bogglingly hard everyone fumbled against Stig. It was practically a checklist of what you absolutely shouldn't do when hunting werewolves.

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>>98437678
I'd bet money Palmer is going to show up at the last minute with his retinue of fomori and smoke half of this pack.

>>98437686
bold of you to assume we won't get 10 new more characters instead

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>>98437620
I be honest, Arcanum is going to do shit. They were too meek of a nerd before V5 and in V5 they are treated as errand boys who in reality is weaker than Tremere.

SoL is also so shit at it that they couldn't even arm their guns with silver and they just lost a ton of men. My confidence in their competence is at all time low. Plus they had their True Faith fucked up by the Pentex drugs.

>>98437344
>I'm really upset that eight years of V5 is almost entirely being reversed and that we're going back to the 90s status quo, it makes everything that V5 did feel meaningless.
wtf I love v6 now

>>98437651
Fair take. To a degree, all four independent clans suffer from this problem. They're all bloodline tier concepts, but created before the clan-bloodline distinction was invented. Thus, by virtue of being a Clan, the writers tried to retroactively give them more importance, gravitas, and power. Of the four, I think the Followers of Set work the best precisely because it's just accepted that they're an evil cult that everyone hates but nobody can ever fully destroy. They're ideal villain fodder. The others try to rise above their narrow concepts and largely fail, all for different reasons.

Also, I don't like the notion some writers have that all clans must be more or less equal. The inequality makes them interesting. Ventrue, for example, hold an insanely disproportionate amount of influence, wealth, and power over institutions mortal and undead. They should also be the least numerous of the Cam 7. Because they're undead aristocrats/oligarchs. Small in number, disproportionate in power is the name of the game there. As a clan Malkavians shouldn't outwardly seem that powerful politically or physically, but as individuals they should be terrifying. Not because they can tear someone apart, but because of their prophetic insight.

I think, in the struggle to make them "hang with the big boys", the indie 4 were ultimately done a disservice.

>>98437252
What's next? Sex with wererats?

>>98437700
Stig's dead for sure. Not just because of Grimal but because he charges head first into wyrmtaint like a retard, even when counselled to run by a spirit. He's wounded now and Pentex are staunch opportunists. Not to mention Palmer's crew apparently have rocket launchers laying around.
>>98437703
>Plus they had their True Faith fucked up by the Pentex drugs.
Fuck only knows what else those drugs do. Injecting yourself with wyrm shit then crossing the Gauntlet is probably a bad idea.

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I want to vent about WTA V5 absolutely retarded ruling over the Crinos form.

Part of the appeal of being a werewolf is being a fucking big ass dangerous werewolf. So why limit it so much where its just a temporary power for a brief moment and that requires some form of violence??

You can literally delete 100% of all the awesome art that was created, of garou just doing anything that isn't fighting or killing. What the fuck were they thinking when they wrote V5!?

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>>98437722
>Fuck only knows what else those drugs do. Injecting yourself with wyrm shit then crossing the Gauntlet is probably a bad idea.
Considering something Unholy enough can corrupt True Faith, if only they hadn't used those drugs they would have stood a better chance against Stig.

>>98437731
That's basically everything W5 related. Like how Umbra is also limited to extreme degree compared to the past where you had weeks if not a month or two in the Umbra before any side effects.

>>98437731
>What the fuck were they thinking when they wrote V5!?
Thinking in V5 terms, of course. You're a weak cocksucker who cannot accomplish anything meaningful and is destined to watch the world die while you retreat to your caern to cry about it and ERP with fellow players. These games are fundamentally made for limp-wristed homosexuals.

>>98437686
Oh I've been presuming that Pentex is gonna third party everyone at the end since the coalition was revealed to be an actual joke. seriously, an alliance that doesn't actually come to the aid of a member when attacked and robbed. Wtf?

I'd still like for the actual Hunters to get at least a single kill on the dogs. Your heroes can only fuck up so hard before people won't root for them no matter how unreasonable you make their enemies.

Also, I don't even like the Society of Leopold that much, but I keep having to defend them. One of the writers must've had a really bad time in sunday school. That, or none of them have read the Inquisition book. A lance is three hunters. Gladius Dei are the elite troops of the Society. I was expecting a lot of the leopoldites to die as cannon fodder, I just wasn't expecting something as stupid as "not bringing any silver, and just mindlessly shooting in every direction until three of them remember they have true faith."

I also don't like the weird blue anachronistic armor, but I understand having them LARP as knights is a weird V5-ism.

>>98437722
>even when counselled to run by a spirit
Wasn't that blue wolf just his inner depression?

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>>98437744
>Also, I don't even like the Society of Leopold that much, but I keep having to defend them. One of the writers must've had a really bad time in sunday school. That, or none of them have read the Inquisition book. A lance is three hunters. Gladius Dei are the elite troops of the Society. I was expecting a lot of the leopoldites to die as cannon fodder, I just wasn't expecting something as stupid as "not bringing any silver, and just mindlessly shooting in every direction until three of them remember they have true faith."
Worst part is, the greatsword dude was actually doing a decent job.
But apparently no one gives this Elite dude of an Elite actually decent weapon. I do not expect him to have a Crusader's Sword but at least give him a proper relic.

>>98437753
>three strength to swing a five pound sword
Huh? Is God demanding only those with sweet gains wield his holy barbell?

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>>98437744
>I understand having them LARP as knights is a weird V5-ism.
I liked Bloodhunt's take on that better desu
>>98437747
Unless I've missed something else about Stig, I don't think so. Ancestral spirits hang out near Caerns and guide their descendants. He didn't listen.

>>98437741
Oh fuck I entierly forgot about the fact it doesn't even want you to do eco terrorism or fucking anything proactive.
What the fuck do you even do in V5? Has anyone played it? What was the point of playing. Wait for something to crash into your house to kill you but you kill it first?

>>98437753
Yeah, the greatsword dude put up a good fight. But it's endemic of the real problem with that fight. The hunters were fighting the werewolf in exactly the kind of way a werewolf wants to fight. They can't even use delirium as an excuse, because they took the pentex anti-delirium drugs.

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>>98437762
>Oh fuck I entierly forgot about the fact it doesn't even want you to do eco terrorism or fucking anything proactive.
It just wants you to protest on Twitter and Facebook, and LGTBQ+ sex

>>98437769
Was it really that hard for the writers to make Hunters more tactical and less fodder, especially when they KNOW what they're up against? If they wanted their badass fight in the field, they could've just had other Garou distract and kill off SoF troopers while the fat greatsword guy could give Stig a beating and hold him off for our heroes to think of something.

>>98437762
V5 is about being a wholesome chungus Thinblood trying to survive in the harsh conditions of le capitalismo and retarded Cammie overlords, with your inevitable fate being death by an SI squad, some elder or other unfortunate circumstance. The "horror" of V5 is balanced by being a cocksucker. Older editions actually allowed you to be a hunter and prey in equal measure as you tried to survive being a fucking scrub for your blood mafia masters.

>>98437756
Clearly if you can't do 8 aggravated damage per swing you don't deserve to wield it

>>98437756
Only God's strongest, literally, soldiers can wield it!

>>98437736
>if only they hadn't used those drugs they would have stood a better chance against Stig.
Maybe he would have actually run when the wolf spirit told him to. His leap toward the Wyrm-Christ is what will ultimately doom him. It's not just his honor that's tainted, his Rage might be tainted now too.

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>>98437778
Kinda wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Want to show the werewolves being cool and badass but also knuckle dragging retards, this creates a problem, because the kind of ooga booga werewolf that Stig is, is also the kind of werewolf that rushes in before checking if his enemies have silver weapons and then dying from it.

They still could've established him as a threat without making the society stupid, though. They gave him a gift that scrambles guns. He could've used that as an opening move, forcing everyone in a desperate melee scramble while say, Occam tries to unfuck someone's gun with magic so they can blast him.

Btw, found this in the Inquisition book.

>>98437731
I think it makes sense, the pop culture idea of werewolf is not a furry, it's a human that sometimes transforms into a monster and goes on a rampage.

>>98437712
>Fair take. To a degree, all four independent clans suffer from this problem. They're all bloodline tier concepts, but created before the clan-bloodline distinction was invented.

it's kinda sad to think about because just one release later with the storyteller book the baali are called a bloodline of demon worshipers and it's made clear that those guys are not a clan. And although technically they do have a "clan book" and sub-bloodlines i don't think everyone ever expected the baali to carry a entire clan worth of design space like people do with the independent clans do so they didn't get stretched out as much and could just stay evil demon vampires for most of the wod's run (v20's true black hand book sucks)

>>98437717
I'd like to see them try and sell me on such a concept
Sex with Werewolves, Werecats, Werefoxes...this I can contemplate.

>>98437731
>Part of the appeal of being a werewolf is being a fucking big ass dangerous werewolf. So why limit it so much where its just a temporary power for a brief moment and that requires some form of violence??

it's yet another case of wod5 copying cofd without understanding why it works in that game

the werewolves in that game are different creatures who have to really work to keep their spirit and mortal sides in balance so going all out should be problematic for them while garou are murder machines meant to murder their enemies so going all out should come natural for them

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>>98437769
I know, they actually managed to shoot Stig in the back with three bullets. If they were Silver it would have crippled him, at the very least heavily wounded him.

>>98437762
>What the fuck do you even do in V5?
Fight muh capitalism because Pentex is le corpo-fascist

>>98437773
Why was W5 so neutered compared to the previous edition?

>>98437773
>>98437833
Remember: Aino Metsala is a Red Talon writing blocks of text on twitter about CO2 emissions.

>>98437833
Corporation doesn't want to support a splat based around burning down evil corporations.

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>>98437836
That's why I prefer Matilda, who has a hard time with language itself, nevermind using twitter. She is the best part of Hunter the Parenting.

>>98437842
HEY MATTI WHAT'S SIX TIMES EIGHT MINUS FOUR TO THE POWER OF E

>>98437837
Were Paradox introspective enough to assume they were an evil corporation?

>>98437842
I have mixed impressions of Matilda. Red Talons are spergs about the Weaver and that Glass Walker's security system screams Weaver. I'll be interested to find out why she's working with him because to most Talons that's a no-go.

>>98437847
16.1864

>>98437824
W5 was designed by people who never understood W:tA and thought of it as an incomplete V:tM. The moment I learned that Ethan Skemp wasn't involved with W5 I knew it was going to be a failure.

>>98437857
16.1867*

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>>98437857
uh

>>98437831
How? The game discourages violence, terrorism, ecoterrorism. What do you even do?

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>>98437858
They've specifically banded together to find the Old Shuck.

>>98437861
I did the maths wrong then since I did
6 x 8 = 48 - 4 = 44 dived by e

You know, at least V6 is looking to unite fags of V5 and fags of the older edition. If only to hate on it.

>>98437862
>What do you even do?
round up a bunch of peaceful protestors and pretend like you're doing something useful

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>>98437257
I picked the worst time to add Harsh Tenant to his sheet.
>>98437268
The humiliation and shame is so much that I could just explo-

>>98437590
>Then it probably won't come up.
It's literally in the rules anon.
>to say engaging with humanity is part of the game
Why are you so dishonest? You know that's not what we're talking about. All the Vampire games have you engage with your humanity; only V6 treats high humanity as a forced failstate. Retarded shill retard.

>>98437925
Isn't maxed humanity something you only achieve if you're practically fucking Buddha himself? You have to be cartoonishly saintly to get that high in some other editions.

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>>98437812
>the kind of ooga booga werewolf that Stig is
He is, ironically, even more retarded than the Red Talon. She listened when someone told her to have restraint. This dumb asshole got himself silverburned because he doesn't know when to stop just like every other retard Garou that thinks everyone is a combatant in his primordial war against everyone who isn't furry.

I find it interesting they didn't detect any wyrmtaint on Marckus despite his childhood encounter with the Eater-of-Souls.

>nonstop laughing at the garou for being retarded since chapter 5 came out
>chapter 6 comes out
>nonstop whining about how the garou are being retarded
???

>>98437978
I don't know what gives you the impression I'm bitching. I think they're doing the Werewolf loredump pretty well. Fuckin' RIP Grimal though damn.

If Werewolf does get cut from 6e, how do you think it'll be handled?
>never mentioned
>exists as NPCs only
>half retcon (voted out by consensus/trapped by spirits beyond the hedge)
>full retcon (has always been vampires or changelings taking animal forms)

>>98437757
Silent Striders are cut off from their ancestor spirits. Stig was paralyzed by true faith, stabbed by Kitten and spooked by sword Jesus, I think that was enough to trigger fox frenzy and that little blue wolf was a representation of his flight instinct.

>>98437997
You might as well think what would happen if Earth's gravity suddenly got reversed or if all humans suddenly started growing a 6th finger
That will never happen

>>98438007
To be fair, they only put Mage and Changeling after Vampire. And they only had 3 splats in 5th Edition.
Meaning there is a decent chan Werewolf goes unmolosted in the 6th Edition

>>98437997
If I remember right they tripped over a bunch of different faux pas like some of the characters looking damn near identical to actual tribespeople. They're not going to touch that shit again for a long while when they have other splats to work with (ruin) that have much less potential to explode in their face.

>>98436967
>>98436975
Oh no, this is genious. Thank you catholic-lore man.

>>98437999
Good point. Maybe I'm wrong then.

What monster do I need to be to have the power to remove someone's soul and make it into a stress ball or doll?

>>98437997
I don’t think they were actually cut from WoD6. Mage, Vamp Dark Ages and Changeling were already on the pipeline for WoD5, but between it and Bloodlines 2 bombing and (if rumors are correct) their failure to make MtAs work on V5’s version of the storyteller system they decided to go forward with a new edition and are repurposing the work already done for those splats for it too. Most likely, if V6 actually survives long enough so M6 DA6 and C6 get released, we will see W6 soon(tm)

>>98437645
Id rather the Harbingers reclaim their clan status & Gio get bloodlined. Having a group of skull faced necros in the Cam trying to pull themselves back into power when they were pretty much completely replaced would be interesting. And Nossies get some fuckugly buddies to be fuckugly with. Harbingers would be looked down on for loosing their place but respected for taking it back a little, the other clans would be catty about it, Harbingers would have a chip on their shoulders, they would want to make strong power plays so they could make themselves strong. Meanwhile we get to quietly bin the Gios while keeping enough of them around that you could still use them if needed

>>98438082
>if V6 actually survives long enough so M6 DA6 and C6 get released
Anon, you're asking for a demonic miracle.
V6 isn't just hot garbage that pisses on any sense of identity the IP used to have, it's Derivative. It literally apes mechanics directly from d&d5e.
There's no chance in hell it survives.

>>98437934
>Isn't maxed humanity something you only achieve if you're practically fucking Buddha himself?
No, not at all. Max humanity is literally just being a good person.
Buddha is a humanity 10, True Faith 10 walking force of will empowered by a lifetime of religious discipline.

>>98438192
>literally apes mechanics directly from d&d5e
Name them?

How do Mages cope with the fact that garou, mummies, and changelings can shut them down so hard? Being some godlike reality weaver is nice till you get turned into a lolipop, rewritten into a sleeper, or have a silverfang flip the switch on your magic to the off setting before chewing you.

>>98437958
>despite his childhood encounter with the Eater-of-Souls
What? Which audiolog was this on? The horse one? It's the only one I've skipped. Something about it just doesn't interest me.

>>98438201
NTA
Backgrounds & Lifepath stuff is literally apex from 5e dude sorry youre retarded

>>98438065
Mummy, Demon, Changeling (sort of) even Vampires can do it. Not sure about werewolves.

>>98438211
Its kinda boring for the most part until the horse starts talking

>>98438211
The discussion on ghouls audiolog

So I've heard 0 praise of anything for the new stuff and now they're doing an even newer version?
Is this franchise just doomed to spiral? What the hell can they even do to sell something new and succsefull?

>>98437852
No but orders from on high from Wyrmstone waging their culture war says not to. Paradox is effectively a bunch of retarded liberal freelancers loyal to the paycheck & their politics

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>>98438211
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE5UztbyeNg

>>98438239
>Is this franchise just doomed to spiral?
yeah probably
I guess that Hunter video game might be good
Not sure about the VtM Disco-like

>>98438219
>backgrounds were invented in 2014 by D&D 5E

>>98438210
It's only fair that they have some things to keep them on their toes, the splat would be boring if it was even more of a power fantasy than it already is

>>98438219
lifepath stuff is 1 to 1 from scion 2e and curseborne

>>98438239
Best that could happen is the IP gets sold to someone else. & instead of rebooting a dead corpse a third time, they just stick with legacy WoD20 stuff. The problem is they completely diluted the IP & slit an already tiny player base.

70-80% of players play WoD20 or older, & prefer its setting. Theres also CofD/nWoD which had done a great job of catering to new players who didnt want the metaplot & setting of oWoD while still feeling familiar enough to old players. If they had continued with WoD20 for legacy content & CofD2e for those who weren't interested in legacy, it would have been perfect. Many people played both, & as evidenced in these threads almost everyone loved HtV. They could have milked that for years with an avid fanbase. But Paradox wanted new bullshit to back their new video game which they thought was gonna do gangbusters. If youve been paying attention to video games recently youll find a LOT of triple A dogshit being pumped & dumped for a culture war. Hell Halo is getting roughed up right now.

So they made V5. V5 destroyed the legacy setting on multiple fronts & they changed the mechanics as to be nearly nonfunctional within the setting. It also had the problem of destroying everything happening with CofD. Its even the reason we call it CofD instead of nWoD. V5 died on the vine because it appealed to a market that doesnt exist. So now we have WoD20, CofD, WoD5 (which isnt even all gamelines), & now V6+shit they were working on with stuff like the half finished notes of M5 which is up in the air with whatever theyre gonna call it. Not to mention CofD dying & trying to make their own WoDlite with Curseborne. Its a mess. Its a shattered mirror that no one wants

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>>98438290
>Its a shattered mirror that no one wants
[distant cackling]

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Round 2, who you got?

>>98438328
They are all so gross

Also nostalgic decade might be the gayest thing ever committed to a character sheet, even worse than pronouns

>>98438328
>apparent age: 25

Nah, man. She looks like her actual age of 51 on that image

>>98438328
>Nostaiga decade 2010s
Why, at least the two saying the 90s make some sense

>>98438339
It makes more sense writing for elders than younger licks.

I am pretty new to WOD but I like Lasombra and Tzimisce the most but I also kinda prefer Camarilla to Sabbat.

>>98438367
Just play a Camarilla Tzimisce then, there's nothing wrong with it.

>>98437363
But this shit edition is not going back to the 90s. They literally removed even more shit now and diluted clans more. The V5 lore is not being thrown in the trash like it should and there's 0 taboo shit the 90s game actually had. Is still a sanitized garbage corporate product through and through.

>>98438367
>>98438372
I heard ethical plastic surgeon tzimisces are all the rage, especially those who do gender affirming surgery.

>>98438367
Lasombra have been working their way into the Cam already. Tzimisce, beholden to ancient grudges, rarely traffick with the Ivory Tower. It's not completely unheard of just pretty rare. Vampires don't pay trust forward.

>>98438367
>I am pretty new to WOD but I like Lasombra and Tzimisce the most but I also kinda prefer Camarilla to Sabbat.
Just play a descendant of montano or buy a couple dots of mentor and status.
Just be reasonable with your ST and you should be fine in most tables.

>>98438364
I just hope that they have the balls to try and change how XP works again.
Also the Sire Type sounds like a neat hook for your backstory.

>>98437712
>Fair take. To a degree, all four independent clans suffer from this problem. They're all bloodline tier concepts, but created before the clan-bloodline distinction was invented
POV: you're a V5 tard shill, you removed all the content from clans because it was le problematic. Now you complain about a problem you caused and your "solution" is to eliminate these clans so your mary sue anarch with rainbow armpit gets all the powers

>>98438380
>It's not completely unheard of just pretty rare.
99.9% of the time if a tzimisce is in the camarilla its because they have some agenda. Once they accomplish their objective, they bail immediately.

>>98438239
this IP is dead and has been for a long time. you need to trust the plan that indies with balls of steel come back and take the mantle for what wod was in the past. the IP itself is too far gone

>>98438376
>ethical plastic surgeon
>do gender affirming surgery

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>>98438376
What about unethical surgeon Tzimisce who go around giving people Gender Negating surgery

>>98438210
first you need to catch an unprepared Mage

>>98438376
>>98438421
>be highly 'ethical' tzimisce that does sex change operations
>the SI picks up on your clients passing too well and you get a raided by fed hunters

>>98438434
Then you can't cry about it on /tg/, though.

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Would it be reasonable for a BSD Totem to give random fomorian powers? I'm thinking about the freak legion table but I am not sure how to make this more interesting.

>>98438357
>gets embraced in 2009
>obsessed with the decade you never got to experience as a mortal
>confusing???

>>98438364
No one makes vampires older than a hundred. Someone with a 500 or even 1000 year old vampire is just playing a joke freak.

>>98438210
Fireball
Problem solved
Simple as

>>98438475
The leaked version from before the official release has an annotation saying it's a typo, as shown in >>98436932
Really retarded that nobody thought of editing that before dropping the sheets on DriveThruRPG with the rest of the V6 alpha stuff

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Hey guys, whats going on in this...
>cufflinks in the OP pic
He cant keep getting awaybwith this!

>>98438328
>they/them
It's two persons?

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>>98436956
We need to be strong, brother. For the fallen and for those who still live

>>98438498
I think the homid expression for this is TO ARMS!

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>>98438490
They're in good company. So is anyone that plays a Brujah or Malkavian.

>werewolves declaring war on fairies for using spirals

>>98438502
What is this, 2015?

>>98438502
"I had the weirdest interaction with the cashier at the store,"
"Really, what'd they say?"
Did you first grade?

>>98438453
I don't see why not. It's as easy as making someone vulnerable to possession. Pentex has ways to force it on people.

>>98438549
>ESL
>doesn't even compose a complete sentence
KWAB

>>98438442
Don't test me

>>98437741
>These games are fundamentally made for limp-wristed homosexuals.
We play Werewolf: the Forsaken, thank you very much!

>>98438496
Theres a dozen ways to be fireproof bro step up your wizard game. Also you dont have magic it was shut off

>>98438436
If you want to catch a mage with their pants down you first gotta seduce them into taking them off

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>>98438640
There is a contingency for this

>>98438372
Camarilla Tzims are so stupid. Between vicissitude scaring everyone like a leper disease, and just how entrenched the Tzims are in the Sabbat. There should be none.

>>98438490
I made a toreador knight that was locked in a marble coffin for centuries before waking up in modern nights

>>98438718
It's not just that, but the psychotic hatred between the Tremere and the Tzimisce. That's bad blood spreading back centuries that goes both ways. Neonates might not know much about it but due to how deeply tied both clans are to the childe/sire dynamic they will definitely be informed of it if it's relevant. What's left of the Pyramid is feeling insecure as fuck after Vienna and now they've got Haqim trying to weasel into their territory. Tzimisce on top of that would make them freak out.

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Reminder: This is the Brujah ideal. You may not like it, but this is what peak Brujah performance looks like.

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>>98437744
>One of the writers must've had a really bad time in sunday school. That, or none of them have read the Inquisition book
They're basing the SoL on the V5/H5 version. Imagine generic government goons but with a cross instead of the three letters. The Inquisition book is, if you ask me, incompatible with the nu-lore. The orders got changed, some got removed and your average inquisitor went from being the equivalent of an experienced hunter to being slightly-above-shitter tier with the gladius being the only good ones. A thousand Auto-da-fés be uppon paradox.

>>98438774
>dies communicating his passions to someone more powerful than him
>ultimately achieves his goal through his killer's sympathies
Actually yes.

>>98438779
Doubly funny because they're gobsmackingly shameless in ripping off CofD content, yet Malleus Malleficarium was right there and they didn't even touch it.

>>98437588
>Ghoul was probably Grimal, her (probably) being killed off before it's even revealed to the audience is a baffling move
Ah, very Golden Kamuy of them.

>>98438780
Don't forget
>delivering a thorough summary of his politics and ideals while delivering a beatdown

>>98437722
>Not to mention Palmer's crew apparently have rocket launchers laying around.
And a Black Spiral Dancer Leman Russ.

>>98438804
I didn't even consider the idea he's BSD but the long white body hair makes a lot of sense now that you say that.

>>98438774
>>98438780
>>98438803
What about hiding his real ideology behind a different, more pragmatic ideology? Just Cammie behavior?

>>98438813
>Just Cammie behavior?
Yeah pretty much. That's why there's so much backstabbing. In fairness at least the Brujah stab you from the front.

>>98436932
Character Sheet looks like a fuckin C.V.

It's so over..

>>98438813
>and only those deemed worthy get to hear the REAL speech
Sounds about right.

>>98438210
Yeah, sucks to be a mage. Another win for science.

>>98438830
Posted to Fangbook, Bloodbond-In, & CamRecuiter

>>98438813
>I'm using Jyhad as a business to get elected Prince, so I can END Jyhad as a business!
What did he mean by this?

>>98438844
Science is magick

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>>98438883
Would you be so kind as to stand still and look into this device? Thanks.

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>>98438649
Get flowered

>>98438912
Sir thats a banana. Though an excellent source of potassium

My personal thoughts on WOD vs COD and which version of things I like best.
>Vampire: WOD because I enjoy the politics between Clans and stuff, and the mythology is really cool to me.
>Werewolf: WOD because they're cool as hell there. COD softened them too much.
>Changeling: COD because I hate the Dreaming and The Lost feels more in-line with the fables.
>Demon: COD because the God Machine is the coolest concept I swear to god
>Mummy: WOD
>Hunter: WOD
>Wraith: WOD, mainly because I don't know enough about G:SE which is KINDA WTO but COD.
It's probably why I mix them

>>98437287
i assumed bakeslave didnt even have tits when described as a femboy.

>>98438934
Fool! It's a squirt gun full of acid!

>>98438846
Teddy Roosevelt if he was a vampire

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>>98438846
>I'm using Jyhad as a business to get elected Prince, so I can END Jyhad as a business!

>>98438939
I think, for the most part, the Technocracy should be replaced by the God Machine in oWoD. Let the Technocracy just be technomages but I think it would be cool gor Mages to be fighting this vast weird spiritual engine left over from Creation. It has perfect knowledge if the world & mages rewrite reality.

Whats a good kinian tell for a 30 something corporate desk jockey? I dont want green hair or rainbow eyes.

>>98438986
The God Machine is a cool-ass concept

>>98438958
>I have a dream. That one day every Kindred in this sect will control their OWN destiny. A sect of the TRULY free, dammit. A sect of ACTION, not words. Ruled by STRENGTH, not committee. Where the Traditions change to suit the individual, not the other way around. Where power and justice are back where they belong: in the hands of the Kindred! Where every Cainite is free to think — to act — for himself! Fuck all these limp-dick Ventrue and chicken-shit Tremere. Fuck this 24/7 Malkavian spew of trivia and celebrity bullshit. Fuck 'Camarilla pride.' Fuck the Harpies! Fuck all of it! The Camarilla is diseased. Rotten to the core. There's no saving it — we need to pull it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN! And from the ashes a new Camarilla will be born. Evolved, but untamed! The weak will be purged and the strongest will thrive — free to live as they see fit, they'll make the Camarilla great again! ... In my new Camarilla, Kindred will die and kill for what they BELIEVE! Not for Domain. Not for vitae! Not for what they're told is right. Every Cainite will be free to fight his own Jyhad!
Hey, wait a minute...

>>98438998
Weirdly clockwork body language? Slight electronic reverb to his voice? Literally coppery hair color?

>>98439005
THE SWORD OF CAINE FALLS WHERE IT PLEASES

>>98439002
Rare to see that sentiment in this thread, but I'm glad to see it nonetheless.

>>98439002
i like connecting WoD with CofD by saying the God Machine is basically the matrix created by the technocracy as a backup play in case the world ends (it did) and will give them enough time to repair or 'reboot' the old universe. too bad they actually managed to do it and fuck it up.

>>98438986
"Can I please make Elon Musk a cool rebel techno-wizard who fights that evil God? Once we get rid of all those stupid Christian morals we'll be able to create a new world together!"

>>98439050
I personally prefer the God Machine BECAUSE it's not Christianity. It's a Demiurge.

>>98439050
Shut up crossnigger. Go kiss African feet.

>>98439055
Read the Bible sometime, there's no difference.

>>98439055
>thinks Plato's demiurge isn't the foundation for all Abrahamic faiths

>>98439021
other than the ebonics it's a pretty common opinion here

>>98439059
"Can I please make The Pope a cool rebel priest-wizard who fights that evil internet? Once we get rid of all those stupid atheist morals we'll be able to create a new world together!"

>>98439080
>cool-ass
>ebonics
What are you? An english teacher from the 1940s?

>>98439086
It's Ebonics, little zoomer.

>>98438939
I'm even more of a mixer than you, only I definitely give CofD primacy over oWoD in most cases.
>Vampire: 80/20 in favor of Masquerade. It's got better bones, but adding things from Requiem help break up how rigid Masquerade can be. I drop most of the metaplot and adjust a few setting fixtures to my liking.

>Werewolf: Haven't settled this one yet. I've definitely come to prefer Forsaken in most respects, (I struggle to take the Garou seriously), but Apocalypse has a lot of interesting villains/ancillary elements worth salvaging/adapting. Trying to square that circle, since before I actually looked into Forsaken, early NPC werewolves were implied to be Apoc wolfs.

>Mage: Don't like either, made a custom full splat template for magic users, based on a mix of HtV Witch Finders and oWoD Sorcerer

>Changeling: Lost 100%

>Demon: Ignore both main splats, use Inferno instead.

>Mummy: off-shoot template of the Sorcerer template, more based on the oWoD one than the nWoD one, but largely ambivalent lorewise to each.

>Hunter: Vigil but I ported the oWoD groups I like back in as compacts and conspiracies.

>Wraith/Geist: Geist. I think Geist is neat.

>>98439086
An English teacher from the 40s wouldn't consider Ebonics worthy of a title that doesn't include a slur.

>>98439106
I prefer the Garou over the... Whatever the fuck they are in Foresaken, but the Wyrm is less interesting of a villain to me.

>>98439115
>Whatever the fuck they are in Foresaken
Uratha.

>>98439122
URETHRA

>>98439115
Uratha

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>>98439106
>(I struggle to take the Garou seriously)
You should. Their worldview is something that's supposed to be alien for you to explore. Your best lens is through the eyes of a radical ecoterrorist. That oil refinery is literally debasing and corrupting the Earth. Everyone in it might as well be a rapist goblin as far as traditional Garou culture is concerned and only the Weaver-tained fucking Glass Walker shits or hippie faggot Children of Gaia would say otherwise. Planting a bomb and causing an oil spill that takes four years to clean up is a short term price to pay to progress the long term war against the Wyrm. This is a war they can never win and some of them know it.

>>98439050
Ew no dude. No i think the God-Machine is just more the Wyv'rs pet project to enslave everyone. Nothing to do with Christ, just the Demiurge.

>>98439094
It's technically AAVE if you're gonna be a dick about capitalization. Also, again, no. "Cool-ass," is neither.

>>98439050
Theres already a parody character of Elon Musk and hes a nephandus mammonite

>>98439115
The only thing I like about the urethra is wolfblooded being cooler than kinfolk. Kinfolk could stand being a bit cooler, imo. Ghouls for example get an otherwise pretty sweet deal.

>>98439055
The Demiurge is related to Gnosticism which is a variant of Christianity.

>>98439138
>No i think the God-Machine is just more the Wyv'rs pet project to enslave everyon
Or worse, Mikaboshi breaking into the skinlands.

>>98439138
>>98439075

>>98439094
you must be like 50 bro holy shit

>age shaming on 4chan
Little did he know; he is here forever.

>>98439075
but Judaism predates plato

>>98439136
There's nothing particularly alien about Just Stop Oil with superpowers and neopagan trappings. I don't struggle to take them seriously because they're "alien", I struggle to take them seriously because they're silly.

>>98439161
old people should be age shamed off the entire internet

>>98439163
Prepare yourself for a longpost about how Judaism actually isn't the religion of the ancient Judeans, and how it was created by a shadowy cabal of khazar priests to rule the world.

>>98437978
The complaints aren't about the Garou being retarded, it's about everyone else being made even more retarded to justify Stig not getting immediately smoked with a wall of silver bullets or beheaded by Grimal.

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>>98439166
>I don't struggle to take them seriously because they're "alien", I struggle to take them seriously because they're silly.
Those are the same thing though.

>>98439173
>khazar
they didn't exist yet.

>>98439163
>plato's demiurge is literally just a rip-off of the Abrahamic religious
What the fuck? How have gnostics never noticed this before?

>>98439163
Semitic Pantheonism was still around in Plato's time Anon. Contemporary Judaism isn't quite as old as you might think. The Torah is an Iron Age book.

>>98438640
>Theres a dozen ways to be fireproof bro step up your wizard game.
Just add Prime 2 and spend a quint, bitch. Not so fireproof anymore, huh?

>>98439179
The changelings should be silly. The vampires should be creepy. Werewolf half-asses both. Another reason they've been cut from the Big 3.

>>98439192
A bold thesis.

>>98439188
Huh, never heard that term before. I'm gonna look it up!
>Canaanite religions
You mean this whole time cainite was a fucking pun?

>>98439200
Honestly, name one thing Werewolf covers uniquely well?
>border patrol between the mortal world and the spirit world? Changelings
>people that walk the line between man and monster? Vampires
>anti-corporate freedom fighters? Mages
>animal shifters? Name a single creature that can't use their bullshit powers to turn into a sexy wolf man.

>>98437828
the hare spirit is part of swedish folklore and supposedly can't be hit by any hunter, even those with silver bullets. so likely this is a gift that negates some of the damage from silver bullets

>>98439217
No connection there historically. Allegedly Canaan was Noah's grandson and the progenitor of the Canaanite people. Canaan is what Palestine was named before the Israelites rolled in, killed or raped everyone, and declared the place their home. Under Roman occupation it was called Judea. It became Syria Palestine later when the Judeans failed three consecutive revolts against the Romans and Hadrianus curbstomped them for it. You probably know the more modern Post-1948 bits that will only be fodder for political bullshit so I won't speak of them.

>>98438436
mate even sect elder and old monster Isaac Newton got killed in a drive-by because he wasn't prepared

mages being hypervigilant paranoid maniacs is not and has never been canon.

>>98439231
>border patrol
Changelings don't really do that well, they're kind of live and let live with spirits
>Sexy wolf man
Except for Protean, you don't really get a warform like that.
Anyway, I'd say werewolf covers an overarching and related (friendly) community of the supernatural and a few normies uniquely well. The social elements of WtA and WtF are much less depressing and tie into themes like found family a lot better than the rest of the splats. Mummy can broach this topic a little bit but it isn't really like that

>>98439251
Bro, your horizon realms?

>>98438475
Modern people are nostalgic for times they never experienced anon, that's simply how deep the wyrm has burrowed into society. To be honest, it's actually pretty reasonable

>>98439188
but there was already a large cult that only followed El/Yahweh. the Book of Kings predates plato right? That was when they had major religious reforms and axed the pantheon as just the heavenly host that El/Yahwah rules and also axed the part of Him having a wife.

>>98437812
I'll wait till episode 7 to see what the situation is with the SoL. I figure there's a reason the main group didn't have much silver, otherwise Stig would probably have gotten routed at least.
>>98437833
The production lead unironically HATED werewolf and was more concerned with pushing his own ideologies and headcanons instead of just reading the books

Anyone ran a Rich Garou before? How was it?

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>>98439316
I like how the only place I can have an educated discussion about Judaic theological history is in a World of Darkness thread.

>>98439286
who needs that when you could take a relaxing walk through 80s Detroit?

>>98439333
>trips of 3
so it is blessed

probably because WoD attracts people that are at least interested academically in religion and supernatural even if they are not believers themselves and the believers that are attracted are of the more relaxed and open minded sort.

basically WoD fans are intelligent most of the time.

>>98439286
When the white-roomers talk about mages always being hyper-vigilant and prepared for anything, they aren't talking about them hiding in their bunker dimensions and being terrified of stepping outside of them. They're talking about mages protecting themselves with a billion wards that protect them from everything even as they casually walk around in broad daylight.

Possible in Awakening, next to impossible in Ascension.

>>98439333
I know the feel, it's a bit weird how a congregation of niche internet autists manages to have enough knowledge and interest to discuss weird topics like that without going into shitposting, other funny 4chan discussions I've had
>history and implementation of communism on a /v/ puzzle game thread
>philosophy on /vg/ for a skinner box loot game
>cooking in an anime thread

>>98438210
its the fallen imperfect world punishing you for being hubris and is a challenge to overcome. everything that threatens a mage is just an opportunity to grow closer to ascension

>>98439324
>I'll wait till episode 7 to see what the situation is with the SoL.
I'm tired of giving them the benefit of the doubt, boss. I also fail to see the deep and cunning strategy of feeding a dozen of your men to werewolves. Zap Brannigan tier stratagem.

>>98439356
cant you be in a horizon realm and do magick from there to find out about and locate anyone whos plotting against you and then kill them without ever having to leave

>>98439356
>Be me
>paranoid hermetic
>Put on the diamond cock sleeve of arete so I may cast as many wards as humanly possible on myself to not get assassinated by the CIA which is surely after me
>Sprint to supermarket (less time spent traveling is less time spent getting assassinated)
>Spill my spaghetti in front of the cashier
>Wards go off
>I explode because of paradox
Frankly though, secrecy is the best defense and your character is better off trying to disguise themselves than do something silly like wearing 15 layers of bulletproof clothing in the summer

>>98439352
That's true, WoD does have a remarkable number of occult nerds in its community. Maybe that's why Paradox thought House Carna would work. Silly bastards didn't realize occult nerds are often chuds.
>>98439367
It's remarkable where a conversation can go when it's not derailed by shitposting or the culture war. Come to think of it, VtM has been mysteriously immune to the culture when even Werewolf could not escape it. There must be something to that.

>>98439374
I know anon, I know. It's just a show after all, so I'll be watching it anyway just for a thing to pass the time for. I agree that there are a lot of holes in the new arc but I'm waiting for the whole thing to finish up first before I go "yeah, this is kind of retarded of them."

Hell, at least they're finally killing parts of the goon squad and infinity side characters. Ironically, they killed more characters than they introduced for the first time since episode 2 and 3

>>98438939
My stack right for peak WoD:
DAV20 in modern nights
W20
Revised Mage and Sorcerer
Wraith 2e
HtV2e with homebrew imbued
CtL2e with alternative 1e for more flavor and no conditions
Mummy the Curse
DtF for Hell demon vibes but DtD for Machine elf from the matrix demon vibes
Include Promethean, Deviant, and Orpheus
Ignore Beast, and KotaE

>>98439374
>I also fail to see the deep and cunning strategy of feeding a dozen of your men to werewolves.
Didn't they only expect one werewolf? They walked into the situation with a catastrophic intel failure.

>>98439356
>impossible
impossible how exactly? According to the mechanics it's trivial for a hermetic to have a mage-armor esque effect going and more or less a no-brainer.
You keep portraying this shit as immense fucking burdens on them when it's the work of a few days of ritual for a months long effect with no further maintenance that doesn't inhibit them in any way. Why wouldn't they have a mindshield (mind1) a forceshield (force 3) and an anti magic font (prime 3), if they have those spheres?

>>98439423
And so far, they've only made contact with one werewolf. And he still slaughtered almost all of lance 2. Even if it's only one werewolf, it's a horrible strategy.

Besides which, I'd question the decision making skills of a hunter that assumes they're dealing with a lone werewolf without good cause. They're well known to come in packs.

>>98439423
No. They knew Matilda had at least one ally.

>>98439382
bro just use all your wards for countermagic dice so they never acrue paradox due to being unseen

>>98439381
You need to have high Correspondence and Spirit on top of whatever you're using to kill someone in the real world, and you need to have some sort of connection to whoever you're targeting otherwise the spell's is extremely difficult. We're talking 10+ required successes before we're even talking about the successes required to deal any damage. Unless you've got stupid amounts of Arete, such a remote-kill ritual is going to take days, provided that you don't botch it.

>>98439445
>And so far, they've only made contact with one werewol
Sure, but the Glass Walker is running support and the security system outed them immediately. This pack's capabilities are far in excess of what the Society were expecting.
>>98439451
Did they acknowledge the radio voice in that episode? I need to watch it again.

>>98439384
I think it's sort of because VtM is so steeped into culture war nonsense as it's foundation that it's hard to move the goalpost at all. What can you even add into it?
>Gays
Already part of Vampire shit because of fujos like Anne Rice and the writers
>Trannies
Tzimisce
>Class Struggle /Ageism
Already a native part of the setting
>Nazis and communists and genocidal maniancs
Literally every clan has a few of these somewhere
>Pagan religions and larping
Gnosticism is a bit pagan as it is and there were vamps around for Jesus

Where do you even go from there to seep in more culture war situations? Civil rights? No one actually cares about that anymore, for instance. Maybe you can have some Rudi-tier abortion NPCs but they're kind of just there. Werewolf just had the misfortune of having the factions in it based on real world historical ethnicities, which is probably going to be a heated topic when writers and execs discuss what to do with it to help it appeal to more people. Sort of like a
>How do we get more people interested in werewolf
>Well we remove the Fianna because that's an offensive term and turn them into the Hart Wardens and make them less Irish

Fans of any media notoriously have a lot of inertia against accepting changes to what they enjoy (often for good reason,) but those fans aren't who the game is for anymore. You can't really make vampire appeal to more people by making it less racist or weird, but you could *in theory* make werewolf more appealing by doing the same. Of course, they overcorrected, made a frankenstein abomination, alienated most of the original fans, and couldn't get much interest because they somehow didn't consider that maybe ecoterrorist furry is already an ultra-niche subject.

>>98439464
>This pack's capabilities are far in excess of what the Society were expecting.
I still don't see how any of that justifies sending in a lance to hunt a werewolf WITHOUT ANY SILVER.

>>98439445
>>98439464
I'd assume the original plan is to capture Matilda and hope Marcus was alive, they were completely unprepared for any combat gifts (which normies can't see) but that makes some sense since Matilda didn't use any. Afaik only Occam, D, and Marckus can see gifts (sorcerer, whatever the fuck is going on, and the eye)

>>98439466
>You can't really make vampire appeal to more people by making it less racist or weird
Well said. I still say Requiem died because it abandoned the Judeo-Christian themes ultimately robbing the entire setting of its character.
>>98439471
That's fair. One would think they'd at least give a field officer 9mm silver bullets.