Charge of the Heavy Brigade Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Battle March General's Compendiumhttps://mega.nz/file/tP5STCAS#4yDuu8WLk-Mn4Ut2pe7x7AWwxJmEjXW5cvV0xtwMWD4>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>98449471>Thread Question:The new AJ/Arcane ploys seem to be adding a lot to the game, what are you most excited about/hopeful to see expanded?
>TQI’m hopeful that they can get rid of the stupid you go I go bullshit that’s plaguing this game to being dogshit.
>>98460705>>Thread Question:>The new AJ/Arcane ploys seem to be adding a lot to the game, what are you most excited about/hopeful to see expanded?A rule that promotes painted armies. Something that benefits painted models fighting unpainted models.
>>98460718>im hopeful they fundamentally change how fantasy is played Maybe go play another game? It’s been 30 years. If you don’t like it move on
>>98460718>hates IgoUgo>in the one format where IgoUgo worksThis has got to be a troll or a 40k tourist. 40k and Age of Smegma should lose IGOUGO, because IGOUGO is ONLY fun in rank and flank.The fact AoS was IgoUgo is what proves it was just corpo-slop for paypigs. They had a new game and a perfect chance to try something new
>>98460738>because IGOUGO is ONLY fun in rank and flank.Please stop pretending you play other games
>>98460738It’s dogshit poster he just wants to complain. I don’t think he actually plays or owns any fantasy
Tomb King chads our time is coming.
>>98460749I only have a handful of metal models atm. Mostly just chaos stuff, I’ve sold most of my armies tho. If I can find a metal shaggoth ill probably consider rebuilding an army again
>>98460789I have a bone to pick with non undead players
The arcane ploys are cool, I was worried about the card packs being fomo. But it’s nice that they include a table with the same odds as the card pack so you don’t actually need the card pack to take part in that aspect of the game.
Reposting from last thread in hopes of getting some input. How does this list sound? I had to wrangle points and options to get my spiders and Boars along with a nice mob of boys. Sadly no room for Boar Chariots or Arrer boys, but it seems playable to me.Orc & Goblin Tribes [1996 pts]>Black Orc Warboss, Great weapon, Full plate armour, General, On foot, Spellshield, Ruby Ring of Ruin, Trollhide Trousers - 239>Orc Bigboss, Cavalry spear, Heavy armour, Shield, Battle Standard Bearer [The Big Red Raggedy Flag], War Boar, Da Thinkin' Orc's 'At - 178>Goblin Oddnob, Wizard [Level 3 Wizard],Arachnarok Spider [Spidersilk lobber], Waaagh! Magic - 480>30 Orc Mob, Light armour, Shields, Full Command - 197>30 Goblin Mob, Shields, Light armour, Full Command - 137>19 Black Orc Mob, Full plate armour, 19x Shields, 19x Great weapons, Full Command - 303>10 Goblin Spider Rider Mob, Shields, Cavalry spears, Shortbows, Light armour, Standard bearer [Razor Standard], Full Command - 207>10 Orc Boar Boy Mob, Cavalry spears, Heavy armour, Shields, Big 'Uns, Standard bearer [Da Banner of Butchery], Full Command - 255
>>98460789I hope I can finish painting all the shit I have already before they refresh the skellies
So beyond the trolls, hag and shaman, what should I pad out a trollhorde list with?
>tfw no chaos lady gf
>>98460789Based. What's happening?
>>98460994why did the game end so early...?
>>98460994Looks more like ff14 garleans than chaos though
>>98461005You're off by 2.
>>98461005If a Japenese Artist makes a Chaos Warrior character, this is how they're going to end up looking
>>98460789any info of refresh?
>>98460705h8 stunties
So, why do you all play The Old World over Warhammer Armies Project? I'm trying to choose between the two and I am curious about your input.
>>98460805I don't like the black orc warboss on foot. He's too easy to avoid or feed chaff and make him a non factor during the game. He needs a mount imo.
>>98461058Everyone plays TOW around me, there are tournaments every 2-3 weeks. No one plays WAP around me. I really enjoy TOW so I see no need to branch into WAP. Disclaimer I have never tried WAP (but I don't think I ever will because the community is large and lively locally). I think it depends most on what is popular in your area.
The Thane is painted. It should fit well with my metal Ironbreakers.>>98461052Hate you back, ya lanky fucks.
>>98461080Looks fantastic, anon. Great job.
>>98461058I don't play, but if I were to play I'd play whatever the local group does, and at best suggest houserules for my weird shit
>>98461052I too '8 stuntiesI hate 5 for dinner
>>98461080I like how he practiced his pose to look as tall as possible, compensating manlet. In all seriousness he looks great though.
>>98460805Spider is bad (looks cool though). Light cav would be better in 5 blocks than one 10, and aren't worth putting anything but musician on, they're chaff to fuck with charge lanes and nothing more. Mount up the black orc. Add another low level Wiz for improved mag defense. Light armor isn't really worth it on gobs, more bodies is better. In fact, replacing that whole block with night gobs with nets and some fanatics is a better idea.
>>98461134The spider is painfully expensive but I love the Spiders. I went with the larger unit of boars due to upgrading to Big Uns and the magic banner. I was planning on having the unit joined by the BSB for the extra banner buff. Feels like a hard hitting - at least on the charge, tougher unit for smashing the enemy. The General is a very specific miniature and while I would love to toss him on a mount, I planned on having him joined the to Black Orc unit for both practical and narrative reasons. I can see about adding another wizard, does it matter Orc or Goblin? I have forty goblins and a distinct lack of night goblins, but if I drop light armor I can afford the extra ten I was not using. Is trading the 5+ with shields for extra bodies really worth it?
>>98461183Boars can hit hard, the spider riders are the light cav I was referring to.
>>98461197Oh, I did not realize that. The spider riders are just harassment units. Shortbows with razor standard and poison to plink away at things I want to harry. Spears to charge if my Impetuous goes bad or I see something soft enough to take out with them in melee. Seemed like a reasonable idea.
>>98461183What edition is this for specifically? I'm assuming 6th, 7th, or 8th based on your Pic. But generally more bodies is better than going from 6+ to 5+, the extra occasional wound is less valuable than outnumber, ranks, etc.Cut down the cost of the warboss if you're not mounting him up. Or run him as Grimgor, even better. And have the leader upgrade take challenges so you can blender the opposing unit.Orc v Gob for lower level doesn't really matter but I always found Big Waaaaagh spells better personally.
>>98461211The plinking won't do anything of use, not worth upgrading it. You should shoot with them each turn anyways, it's essentially free, but don't expect results. Two units of 5 with magician each will do a better job of harassment and forcing charges that you run from, with occasional side charges from you, than one of ten. That is all they can ever be expected to do, so should stay as cheap as possible.
>>98460705Any good samaritan with fully downloaded torrent from WFB pastebin wanna seed this thing? I can't download some files. Thanks
>want to print out differant sets of armies for battle march>friend likes greenskins and I think goblins are cool but I also own elves>if I print an army of goblins when I play elves I am a mono mega faggot because goblins are scared of elves
Man I hope GW either makes some campagin/warband based skirmish game for old world in the style of mordheim (but not a remake because they would fuck it up)Or hell just jumpstart warcry again with whfb factions mixed in. Like chaos warriors skirmishing for their gods favor is the same here as it would be anywhere else
night goblins coming along
>>98461221Apparently the local groups focus on TOW, but I am basing on the WHFB sizes and using converters in case that changes to 8th or earlier. I'll drop the light armor on the goblins and raise them to forty strong with shields and hand weapons. I can drop the Spellshield on the warboss, but Trousers and Ruby Ring are for narrative purposes. >>98461239Splitting to 2x5 makes sense as does dropping Razor. Would I be running Oddgits with Wolf mounts? The only Goblins to get a non-Arachnarok spider mount are the Big and Warbosses.
>>98461058Old world is what everyone plays, and tbf it's not a bad ruleset. Personally I'm collecting the resources to play Warhammer Renaissance, and will play a few games solo for fun until I can find someone who'll humour me for a game or two when I can walk them through the rules.That being said, the magic phase was one of the big reasons I wanted to play WHR but if the magic stuff in the new arcane journal is any good, that's one less factor to jump to WHR.
>>98461080This made out a Blood Bowl model?
i am converting a catapult i 3d printed into a rock lobber crewed by orcs
>>98461256Kino
Have they ever made a mounted gobbo shaman model or am I going to be making my own?
>>98461306Do you count a mushroom as a mount
The battle march link in the OP just gives the bare rules. Which book has the campagin and showcases?Booba for your time
>post office STILL hasn’t delivered my WoC>or my blightkingsI am going to kill myself holy fuck
>>98461313The pioneers used to ride those babies for miles
>>98461339It's in Gofile with the rest of the AJ
>>984613442 more weeks. Trust the plan.
>>98461306I thought they did but apparently I just misremembered the chieftain with spear and severed head, which could still be made into a shaman with the simplest kitbash possible
>>98461306There's the gobbapalooza guy sort of
>>98461099>>98461113Thanks!>>98461266Yes, they looked interesting for kitbashing.
>>98461411wrong tab, Ivan
>>98461422It was indeed and I deleted it as quickly as it let me. Apologies.
>>98460705I just want to know the rules for mixing WoC and beastmen already.
>>98460813Now I want a fraggle rock goblin army with gorgs, doozers, and fraggles
>>98461454The AoS troll kit litterally has a goblin being held by a troll like the gorgsIt legit my favorite gw kit of all time for all the options and the sculpt being true to oldhammer cartooniness
i like warhammer fantasy. yeah i think its cool. i like miniatures and hobby and painting and stuff and i like the world or setting or whatever and i dont like work and i dont like when people at work are mean to me and i dont like that i have to work and that im so poor even though i work
>>98461058Because, unironically, new thing.Armies project is better than TOW in almost every way. If Armies Project would incorporate the FBIGO, Give Ground, Break mechanics (and then make them better) it would be 100% better.All the armies are FULLY supported, you have army lists that incorporate every fucking unit in the games history, DoW, Vamp Coast, Araby, Cathay, expanded Storm of Chaos forces, all the FW units, a TASTEFUL incorporation of CERTAIN AoS units (certain Sylvaneth units, new Lizardmen, etc), it's so much better it's not even funny.
>>98461449I want the new custom lords.
Two years late, but I just read Lords of the Lance out of curiosity and wow that sure fucking sucked. I genuinely think I could write better fanfiction than this fucking novel. This flopped right? That's why we haven't gotten more Old World novels
>>98461449I go back and forth on soup or notI like the idea of a mix force under the banner of a single god. Like khorngors would probably march with warriors of khorne before they'd want to march with slaangorsBut if you mix them up the armies lose a bit of cohesion and identity. Even for "chaos"
>>98461493It's more a case of official thing than new thing
>>98461529IDK if it flopped sales wise, probably did well because it was the only Fantasy novel in like 10+ years. But we know from the changes they make that GW 100% reads online opinions and feedback and acts on it, so they know it's widely hated. I remember Jordan Sorcery even interviewed the author and 80% of the comments section were shitting on the book lol.
>>98461493does it use the bigger base sizes? can could I get away with larger bases?Like imma be real I hate gw but upping the sizes helps rank shit easier, especially cavalry. A rare gw W
>>98461529Yeah. It was trash and everyone knows it. Naturally, to GW this means that clearly no one wants any novels for TOW and we'll never get another
>>98461529Does it suck for reasons beyond EWWWW FEMALE KOTR NOOOO?All I ever heard was 'its SJW WOKE SHIT' and nothing about the story or writing.Is it just badly written? McNeil has written decent (for BL) stuff before
>>98461541If both you and your opponent agree, it doesn't matter.You will never play in a Warhammer Armies Project tournament. So just use the bigger base sizes from TOW
>>98461548It is incredibly poorly written. The most bland story about a crusade to an undead homeland you can imagine
>>98461548McNeill wrote my favourite 40k book (Storm of Iron) and LoL doesn't hold a candle to it. It's incredibly bland and uninteresting, disrespects established lore about Bretonnians besides being "woke" if that is something any prospective readers care about. The worst part about it is the missed potential.
>>98461548The Knights use bows. No respect for the lore not even mentioning the woke shit.
>>98461270didn't have a photo because i was in bed when i posted that but here's a photo, i'm waiting for some bits to arrive to make the crew
>>98461586There’s no potential between bretonians and tomb kings to begin with, they’re boring as sin for a reason.
>>98460794>If I can find a metal shaggoth ill probably consider rebuilding an army again.No you would not, they are not rare and not that expensive, of you wanted ome and build that army you would have by now.
>>98461601 I disagree. I think there's a ton of stuff about Bretonnian society that could be explored, and would make for an interesting heroic fantasy novel. This book does not even try to do it.
>>98461612>$100 for a single model>Not expensive.Even with a well paying job, it is something to hesitate on.
>>98461600Nice. Reminds me of one of the Warhammer Online cinematics.
>>98461614Bretonians already have their internals figured out, there’s nothing to expand on. Nothing that doesn’t make them gayer at least.
>>98461637If it's something you really want as part of your collection, a fat hundo is still well within the realm of normalcy. I spent that much on a single (well, 3, but I only wanted one) Realm of Chaos champion. It's not like you're spending $500 on an Egrimm van Horstmann model, you know?And really, what else are you going to use that money for?
>>98461678>And really, what else are you going to use that money for?
>>98461601>There’s no potential You're retarded and not worth engaging with. I'm only doing it now to let you know as a courtesy.
>>98461637>Hesitate on spending $100,- You may be in the wrong hobby. Or just lurk the various local online market places for a lucky deal, ebay prices are always inflated. I know it's 40k And it was some sort of creditcard fraud, but I paid €100,- for an armorcast Eldar titan with all the extra parts trough marketplace. [/Spoiler]
>>98461637>>98461747Organizing the ads as oldest first can also get you some nice deals. If people make a typo in the title it will get burried by new ads and won't show up in search results, people think it is hard to sell and will accept your lowball or if it was not expensive anyway, just buy it.
>>98461747Not him but the single most expensive model I ever bought on ebay for Fantasy was getting a new in box 6th ed Louen Leoncoeur for $250.In my defense, I did have a $100 gift card...Still have him in box. I'll bust him out when I'm confident my painting skills have improved enough to be worth it.
>>98461756I managed to get an old Woof Elf Battalion box for next to nothing because of this. Was labelled "Warhamner" and had offers on it. Always try to look for mislabelled stuff is my best advice for deals.
>>98461761I think that my forgeworld spartan is the most money I spend on a single model. The most stupid (in game vallue terms) is a forgeworld mk-IIb land raider with extra armour, that totaled more than two basic plastic land raiders and it is still just a land raider. In my defense, we were running a boot at a convention and we had so much cash coming in. >>98461771There's lots more things to find good deals, that titan for example was pick up only, those always seem to be slow sellers.
>>98461702Posting a .gif of an overweight child turning his head is not a response.
>>98461548>Does it suck for reasons beyond EWWWW FEMALE KOTR NOOOO?Yeah, it's pretty underwritten; like the villains are incredibly poorly explained, even though they specifically targeted this Border Prince and Brettoin Duke it's left ambiguous as to why.The characters are all very stock to the point were i already guessed their character arc after a paragraph.It also has a bad climax that doesn't feel like a proper climax, if that makes sense.
Do ogres work well in battle march?Few expensive models save a shit ton of money to get to high point values but can be a bitch at low levels
>>98461805I won a bit of money from a hockey game 50-50 so I bought an Armorcast Reaver Titan and a Mastodon. I'm a fucking retard and I regret it but they are coolodels
>>98461805I also find fantasy stuff ofcourse. Pic is my von Horstmann pains €45,- shipped. Inb4 troon, that was painted in 2015 when that was not invented yet. I must search my old phone for the pic but sometimes I wonder if I caused all that BS, Tzeentch must be pleased
>>98461859The old armorcast stuff is so charming. Sometimes I'm still sad I did not buy that warhound when it came up for sale, I think it was €250,- Wich is a great price but I don't have endless money so I can't have All the cool things.
>>98461880Yes, the pictures were also taken in 2015. Maybe I should make some new ones bit the colorscheme kinda sour'd on me. But I will not repaint him.
>>98460747NTA but he is completely right. Rank and flank games work very well as IGOUGO.
Just snagged 20 Arrer boys for a good price. Happy.
>>98462245I am strongly considering picking up a wood elf battalion for the future while they are still around.
>>98462249I plan on grabbing a second Orc and Goblin Battalion and possibly a Beasts Battalion if it is a reasonable price next payday. I highly recommend grabbing extras if you will use them.
>Mark of Chaos has Skeleton Archers.>WHFB and TOW do not.This blows.
>>98462307What are you talking about? They literally do
>>98462309Generic, non-Tomb King archers. I should have said I wanted the dudes from Mark of Chaos.
>>98462325Those are generic archers. The only thing that makes them tomb kings is a small upgrade sprue. But the base skeleton kit is from the VC skeletons of the 90’s
>>98461940I hate that there is no opportunities to play Warhammer at this scale of grandeur.
>>98461940Tfw you'll never dress up in lore-accurate garments as you oversee a huge battlefield of miniatures soldiers, ready to lead them to a glorious victory as some sort of benevolent god.
>>98461940How do they even reach the middle of the table?
>nobody responds to off topic shitpost>begins samefaggingLolcow behaviour
>>98462401Im working towards that. It's a long term project I've been workingon since 2019, but by 2030-2032 i should be able to host a siege game using 8th ed with all of my painted dwarfs (1500+ miniatures) defending their hold against anyone's entire collection. No points limit or book limitations. As long as its painted and based, you can field it.This can also include custom units and charactes, anything that will make the game look good.I think that i should probably be able to have 30-40k points once all is said and done. My opponent can field as many points as he wants - again, given that's painted and based-
>>98462437Based. Do you have any pics to share? >>98462413
>>98462418You have PDS
>>98462440I post here from time to time. Pic related is the army as of December 2025. I have painted 103 more dwarfs since then, and am hoping to finish at least another 50 or 60 before the end of the year.I did 20 in january, finished 30 in april, then starting in May I begun to paint every day (mostly 1 hour per day during lunch at work). I focus on batches of 12 dwarfs and i can crank through them at a good pace without ever feeling to overwhelmed or burned out. Consistency is king and doing a bit every day really pays off.I will eventually start on a castle proper and some terrain, maybe even a dedicated table set up, with sculpted mountain sides and mine entrances...
>>98462540So fucking based. Only true hobbyist ITT! It would be awesome if you would provide us updates from time to time
>>98462566You had to turn the compliment into an agenda.
>>98460813Giants and bonegrinder.
>>98461940>IGOUGOIs tired. Embrace simultaneous planning.
>>98462577No idea what that even means desu
>>98461940I think you're right. A lot of second rate writers working in the fantasy space thinking about mechanics that are trendy rather than mechanics to serve the theme.>>98462401If I were going to do Warhammer in the grand manner I'd borrow a lot from the Warlord Warmaster derived rulesets but with less crazy movement, say 6" for each move order for infantry and 9" for cavalry. So 18" of movement for a lucky order for infantry. Could do it on a 6' or 8' deep table without too much worry. A lot of historicals players dislike them with good reason but they'd be a good start for this. More generous movement allows for more terrain, it still has an effect but it's no longer so punishing.Add in some magic, the ability to tinker with characters in the way Warhammer players like, magic items etc. Minor characters to buff units such as wights or warrior priests, or Wizards that don't necessarily have a leadership role in controlling groups of units.Doctrines to differentiate armies. Orcs have lower leadership but an advantage for simple orders like going straight at the enemy, think those were already rules for barbarians but my group expanded those to medievals.
>>98462566I already kind of do. Sometimes. Currently working on these skullpass dwarfs. i started them for the Lead adventure forum anniversary as well as the August painting competition somebody started here.After these guys are done i have 95 or so EM4 dwarfs primed and based. I'm kind of dreading them, but once finished, that will be a non-insignificant portion of my backlog completed.
>>98462603I think warhammer could benefit from set unit sizes/unit foot prints a la Kings of War. But then i guess it would need a rework of model-removal so maybe not...If i could change one thing alone; I'd probably say that any edition of warhammer would be much improved by going down to a 15mm scale.
>>98462621I disagree that's too small. But I think a 15mm Warmaster revival would be very cool.
>>98462621Individual casualty removal would be the sacred cow I'd kill for large scale Warhammer. Character differentiation and customisation, magic banners for units, thats one a lot of people do try and kill off but I think it would be a step too far for a lot of people and it is a source of great enjoyment.
Had a fun casual game against a chaos force with my Beastmen at 1500 points.We got the flank attack scenario and it was a really fun game with lots of dice shenanigans that made the outcome of the game very uncertain.In the end I managed to get out on top and secured a victory for my beasts.
>>98462705Here’s a closer look at the army itself.
>>98462621>>98462670Model removal is kind of retarded when you think about it. There is a reason most large scale games multibase, and that is because in battle most people aren't killed, they rout. Most large scale games leave all the models on the base and measure the damage the unit has taken by using casualty models, which is very thematic and visually pleasing, or by counters, until the unit routs. Also you spend so much time painting your models (or, you should) so its also pleasant to keep them on the table as long as possible. Casualty removal really is unsightly when it gets to the point you have this large empty base with 4 guys standing on what looks like a huge sheet of cardboard on the battlefield.
>>98462357I think he means for vampire counts/generic undead. Its purely absent for retarded "balancing" reasons.
>>98462708Kino, I love your albino paint scheme. Looks fantastic on the beasts. >>98462721>Model removal is kind of retarded when you think about itMaybe this isn't the game/place for you if you feel that way. Instead of trying to change a game so fundamentally that has been one way for the past 30 years, go find a game that suits your tastes.
>>98461256Looking great Anon, keep up the good work!bonus image for support
>>98462708Good shit! Any stand out units, for good or ill this game?
>>98461489Hit the rigs fag, builds character and gets you money
>>98462708No shields? Looks gorgeous either way!
>>98462817NTA but Gors are there to blend not to stay alive
>>98462708Anon your army is lovely. But please do not partake and enable the total retardation that is reducing the playing surface to match what GW dictates as canonical.Larger tables make for better games.
>>98462307Blood Dragons army can in 6th edition.
>>98462741All units proved their part, maybe with the exception of Centigors, but that’s cuz my razorgor and ungor teared through his chaos knights on my right flank before they had a chance to do anything.My units of Bestigors (with a beastlord and a wargor) managed to hold out against a charge of chaos warriors, and even after losing 5 Bestigors I managed to win combat res with +1 and slowly whittle the warriors down.My Ghorgon also managed to survive the battle unscathed even against chaos chosen thanks to a load of 1s from my opponent.>>98462817I plan on making a block of 30 with shields with the next Gor unit I assemble.>>98462843What are you talking about, we used a full sized table.
>>98462876I think he's talking about the tape demarcation for a play area smaller than the mat.
>>98462708Top notch work!
>>98462705Genuinely what is the point of that terrain? It looks silly and has absolutely zero effect on gameplay
>>98463122fuck off perrynigger
>>98463136Perry Derangement Syndrome
>>98463122At least I play fun games with great people with my painted minis, I engage in the hobby like a proper person.
>>98463148You certainly play games, "fun" is a bit of a stretch
>>98461033Like Elric
Hows this for /mydudes/. Forgive the slop. Imma paint him soon>Despite its beauty and shrine of Isha, Brickleberry Glade was probably one of the least loved principalities of Avalorn. The place was said to be where Aenerion's first wife, an everqueen long past was slain, setting his path into the arms of Morarthi. Thus many nobles believe the realm, and any prince ruling it, cursed. In a way, Brickleberry was canceled for being unpopular>The current Warden of Brickleberry is trying to change this, a ranger of noble heart, Prince Lymacrion. Is doing whatever he can to prove that the rangers of Brickleberry are still noble elves befitting the title of the most wondrous of elf realms.>This willingness has made him the most unfortunate friend of a Lotherian noble, Prince Farzar of Paradise Bay. He is a raving mad elderly elf, hell-bent on recovering his family's jewels made of holy light and offers Lymacrion a chance for great fame if he were to recover them. This is a mostly a fool's errand as the gems were lost in the war of the beard by a now extinct dwarven clan, and thus could be literally ANYWHERE. >So with funding from Farzar and some handmaiden friends, Lymacrion quests along the old world and beyond to find the lost gems. At this point, only hoping to prove himself and go home
>AIslopDidn't read
>>98463142you have warhammer derangement syndrome, constantly trying to shit up this thread for literally no reason other than impotent seething. fuck off perrynigger
>>98463225Not perrynigger. I play more games than you. Post models.
>>98460705Man, I really wish brettonia had better lore. They look so damn cool.
>>98463215Brickleberry is a dumb name, but aside from that, I approve of these dudes.
>>98463239you say "post models" yet haven't posted any of your own, curious indeed
Templates should go the way of the DodoThere I said it.
>>9846330agreed but only because the dodo should come back, and so should templates in every gw system, not just hh, tow, and necroif anything we need unique templates for every army
>>98461529First Bretonnia novel in like 20+ years, and it was total DEI dogshit.Why does GW insist on making Bretonnia for the "modern audience"? fuck man, the latest WC article has a female "lord", do fags run the place? WTF happened to England.
>>98461647bullshit, we know more about obscure space marine chapters than most bretonnian kingdoms.
>>98463215Sorry but "Brickleberry Glade" doesn't sound Elvish at all.Since you link the place to the Everqueen demise why not call it something like "Aenarion's lament" / " Isha's grieve" / "Astarielle's last stand" ?
>>98463339Why not combine that? Brickleberry Glade, now Isha's Grieve."
>>98463400They hated him because he spoke the truth.
>>98462413These type of pictuers always look impressive but then the reality of having to actually play the game hits.I think Warhammer is pretty good compromise between spectacle and playability.
>>98462973That was on the table we didn't use to pack up our armies. I don't even think a GW game was played on that table for when the tape was used.It's not even the same battlemat as the one the game was even played on, what and odd anon.
>>98463189Really any character-based on Amano work would count
>>98463304>the game should be less funOk? If you want to roll random shots and hits, go play AoS or 40k
>>98463215>Brickleberry
>>98463589My bad anon. I made that comment because i had a 10 minutes argument with my opponent last game specifically over a large table. He complained that the table we were using wasnt "legal size".
>>98463782The ones listed in the book (page 285) is just the minimum table sizes. You can play a 1000p game on a 72" x 90" table if you want, tell your opponent to get some reading comprehension next time.
>>98463304It's current year +11, anon, you can just come out as gay, no one's gonna care. Though with how awful your opinions are maybe they'll just beat you to death as soon as you step out the closet, idk.
>>98462721After playing KoW I definitely agree, at least at the size ToW is played at. Honestly everyone should play KoW a come times. It's eye opening from a game design perspective. When you remove a bunch fiddly elements that don't add much to the game you can condense a 3 hour WHFB into 30 minutes. I might keep individual casualty removal for games around 500 points life Battle March.
He's right, templates should go away.And be replaced with new, bespoke ones.
>>98463122Have you actually played the game? Small bits of terrain have outsized impacts on play. A little fence can fuck up a charge. A few trees dictate the flow of an entire flank etc.
>>98463882Fallen giant template, my beloved.
>>98461529lol
>>98463322>First Bretonnia novel in like 20+ years,I'm pretty sure the Tom Renolds series is only 10+ years old, but Bretonnia never had many books, or if they did it was about a pretty different Bretonnia, like the Florin d'Artaud series or Brian Craig's short stories, which didn't really have any Chivalric romance elements in them at all
>>98461536>I remember Jordan Sorcery even interviewed the author and 80% of the comments section were shitting on the book lol.I think he scrubbed that video, as the video I found only had 500 views and only three comments on it>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqE5airmTxI
*Viletides you*
>>98463952I know that's a bell hanging from her bikini.But i really can't unsee it as being a pendulous semi-engorged member
>>98463952>beastmen>readingI hope they're only holding books because they're planning on burning them or eating them
>>98463967Yeah. I might just snip it off along with the spelltome supports once all the greenstuff is cured
>>98463952Are demonic tomes just pop up books?
>>98463952bros beastwoman literally has a bellend
>>98463972No please don't. Embrace the caprine shlong and lean into it, keep it and paint it.Maybe glue some flock to simulate an irsute bush of pubes around it.
>>98463971They have their own alphabet in the Dark Tongue so they can read.Maybe not books, though but hides covered in runes
Thoughts on these two Battle March lists?Orc & Goblin Tribes [500 pts]Warhammer: The Old World, Orc & Goblin Tribes, Battle MarchOrc Bigboss Great weapon, Light armour, General, On foot, Armour of Meteoric Iron - 7917 Orc Mob, Light armour, Shields, Big 'Uns, Full Command - 15318 Orc Mob - Light armour, Shields, Boss (champion), Standard bearer - 12010 Orc Mob - Warbows, Light armour - 505 Orc Boar Boy Mob - Cavalry spears, Frenzy, Shields, Boss (champion) - 98OrOrc & Goblin Tribes [500 pts]Warhammer: The Old World, Orc & Goblin Tribes, Battle MarchOrc Bigboss Great weapon, Light armour, General, On foot, Armour of Meteoric Iron - 7914 Orc Mob, Light armour, Shields, Big 'Uns, Full Command - 12915 Orc Mob Light armour, Shields, Boss (champion), Standard bearer - 10210 Orc Mob Warbows, Light armour - 505 Goblin Wolf Rider Mob, Shields, Cavalry spears - 505 Orc Boar Boy Mob, Cavalry spears, Frenzy, Shields - 90I can dump Meteoric Iron to add more boyz but I am not sure about that.
>>98464040>Thoughts on these two Battle March lists?Nigga its a 500 point game, the point is not to think about it for fucks sake. Come back when you plan on playing with more range thats like at 1000 points.
>>98464047This, I'm currently in the process of chucking together a 750 nomadic waagh list and it's just a bunch of shit slapped against a wall, whether it does well or not is besides the point, I just want to chuck some dice about.
>>98460705>Every event in my area 2000 pointsIt's exhausting as hell people arbitrarily decided a game that works best at 2500 points needs to be played at 2000 points simply because that's the point value 40kids play with
So GW must have had no plans to introduce cathay when TOW launched, right? And then when it did well they unscrapped the work they had done back when they were going to be a release faction and hurried them out?I say this because when TOW launched they went out of their way to frame Tomb Kings as the big villain and Settra's attacks as the main conflict, that vampires were sleeping and chaos hadn't yet mustered for the great war. But then Cathay comes out and now its chaos this and chaos that because they're a much better opponent for Cathay than Skeletor would be.
>>98464099>right?wrong
>>98464040I think both lists are perfectly acceptable. I also think you won't get any relevant or helpful advice from this thread. Play both, see what happens!Don't remove the AoMI.
>>98464099cathay released only a year and a half into tow's lifespan anon, there's no way they had "no plans to introduce cathay when tow launched".I can believe they moved up their release a bit, but they were always coming.
>>98464099With how much of the lore is now fully centred on Cathay I refuse to believe this wasn't planned. Cathay are running the show now.
>>98463952Based fellow female bray-shaman enjoyed.
>>98463976I can dig it.>>98464099>they're a much better opponent for Cathay than Skeletor would be.Skeletons literally do not make it past the Chinese sensitivity readers. So Cathay will never meaningfully interact with TK or VC.
>>98464099>So GW must have had no plans to introduce cathay when TOW launched, right?Yes. One of the first articles on their community site after the launch of TOW even said something like "we currently have no plans to release cathay or kislev" even though both factions were present in the rule book with their own lore sections. The quick release of cathay just one year later also suggests they had already developed cathay but had seemingly no intention of releasing them, at that time. Many think the reason was, because GW management didn't believe in TOW. They didn't even properly hype up the launch of TOW, which was in a January, a highly unusual month for a new game release.Here is the article, I mentioned:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/GIi2Rgcm/total-war-warhammer-3-reinforcements-arrive-en-masse/
>>98464047Understood and as you can tell, its not competitive anyway, just more or less keep the armour for my general or more boyz.>>98464105A shame because I just did get something helpful from this thread. I was just wondering abiut the AoMI really or more bodies and you answered it. Thanks boss.
>>98464130>So Cathay will never meaningfully interact with TKThey did, when the Nehekarans were still alive. Dragon emperor got spooked by nagash though.
>>98464040Take the meteoric iron, start playing with a fully painted army sooner, then swap the iron for more boyz once you have them painted up. Keep staircasing up the points brackets like this.
>>98464134Between Cathay being an originally intended launch army and the work they did on the faction for total war, I'm sure they had it almost fully complete but just didn't want to inject cash into making it into plastic until after TOW did well and people began asking for it. I think that at least explains the quick turnaround
The new warriors look nice but why is GW creating two parallel iterations of the same model range?
>>98464134I think this is mostly correct. I'm still convinced that 9(?) month drought we just went through is because GW were completely unprepared for how successful TOW was, then they said "the scope of the game has increased" in that article, then Cathay started being released, and then nothing for months. I think they blew their year's release pipeline in order to capitalise on the TOW hype.
>>98464158Because they're expressing 2 different design concepts and ideas. AoS has the SoC aesthetic, TOW now has the 5th edition aesthetic. They're not the same and if you don't like one of them, you can use the other.Nothing will ever surpass the actual 5th edition warriors for me, but it is what it is.
>>98463971Tome of spellcraft bruh
>>98463952>>98464111Female bray-shamans just win more often.Skin of man is an awesome item, especially with harpy support.
has anyone actually used building ruleslike actually occupying a building, defensive position, etc. i've never seen it used or heard it being used, just buildings as impassible terrain. the rules seem pretty fun with different versions and unique buildings
I’m considering starting TOW, but I’m stuck between starting with WoC or VC. What’re the pros/cons of each?
>>98464267I have in a few games with my beastwomen. It can be really fun. Dark ruins and towers are both interesting things to work around as strategic locations and produce more interesting battles. Regular buildings are fun to destroy too.
>>98463983It's too late. The bellend has been cut. My herd has a 0 girlcock policy
I just ignore the existence of bug people aka Cathayans. Fuck Asians.
>>98464299WoC is a real faction that gets support from GW and VC isn't.
>>98464299The warriors of chaos have the largest and most varied pool of models to pick from. You have almost 40 years of options, make of that what you will. Gameplay-wise, they're pretty lame. Not bad in terms of power or competitive viability, mind you, but the army isn't fun right now.Chaos magic has been reduced to 4 spells, 3 of which require a 10 point tax in the form of a mark of Chaos to be used. Blue Fire and Fleshy Abundance are the only good ones, and even then, now that Daemon Princes have been nerfed to oblivion for no good reason, FA sucks. Acquiescence could be fun, but why bother? Winds of Chaos does not synergize with how the army wants to play at all. Chaos sorcerers are overpriced for what they do (but then again, this has always been the case), daemon princes are no longer a viable or fun option, and despite the Infernal Puppet being a very powerful and oppressive anti-casting magic item, Chaos just isn't a magic army anymore.Marks are either utterly worthless (Khorne, Slaanesh, though Slaanesh briefly had a place before Chaotic Traits were added to the game), bland and only good on dragon-riding lords, though now largely trash since the changes to Poisoned Attacks (Nurgle) or powerful while also being immensely restrictive and unfun to play with (Tzeentch). I have nothing nice to say about the Chaos magic items, the Chaotic Traits, or the Chaos Gifts.As for your units, anything that isn't a chaos lord/exalted champion on a dragon or a daemonic mount (DM is a fairly recent innovation due to the buffs + daemon princes being functionally removed from the game), a forsaken, a marauder horseman, a chosen knight, a dragon ogre (though with the recent changes even these might not be worth taking now that you're forced to bring 2 of them instead of just 1 upgraded to a Shartak), a gigantic chaos spawn, or a warpfire dragon is actively a detriment to your chances of winning. Sorcerers are also okay sometimes.
>>98464299VC is a real faction with fan support. If you go WC your stuck with whatever shitty rules James comes up with.
>>98464158Apparently GW is split in two main departments, the one that manages AoS, 40k, and related stuff like kill team and warcry, and the one that manages TOW, HH, blood bowl and necromunda.The budgets for the two departments are separate and depend on how the products of those departments sell, and accounting becomes hell if stuff produced by one department is also usable to play the game of another.And that means that GW requires AoS and TOW to have exclusive products, and since chaos is important for both, they've reached the conclusion that they're both going to have a range of chaos undivided, somehow separating the aesthetics a bit.For now that means that TOW has norscan looking marauders and 4th ed inspired warriors, while AoS has 'conan' looking marauders and 6th edition inspired warriors, but allegedly chaos undivided is going to be in the starter set of aos 5th edition next year, and that could mean that their warriors could be changed again, and maybe more dramatically this time, one option is that they would follow the space-marine-esque design cues of their chosen and varanguard instead of the ones of 6th ed warriors.
>>98464371While I’m not super concerned about gameplay viability, hearing that daemon princes are shitty sucks. If I went WoC route, I was gonna fluff up a lord seeking ascension and as my army grew in size I’d replace him with a prince model. It’s all still a ways off as I need to finish what I’m working on first so I’ll wait and see until then, but I’ll likely keep my eyes on WoC over VC then
>>98463270>>98463339Brickleberry is a refferance to probably the worst adult animation ever made. Farzar and Paradise are refferances to when the creators remade brickleberry, twice>>98463657He got the joke
These guys got the book early but no leaks on here?? This place has gone to shit
>>98464534We wait for them to release the vid and then assemble the leaks.
>>98464534arcane journals are like 30 pages right
>>9846458748but at least 4 pages per book are just model photos
How cute can a mercenary captain be before you start stammering during negotiations?
>>98464534I can't even find clear scans of the new core rulebook. Admittedly I didn't look very hard but it used to be that stuff just falls into my lap basically
>>98464363That is not the whfb wayI never let my cannoneers ignore their existence
>>98464606Haha
>>98464597I don't stammer. I speak my case clearly and without budging on important details. However, I spend the entire time shamelessly staring at and speaking into her cleavage.
>>98464603The first two years GW released epub versions of the books but they stopped early this year, so now we have to wait on actual scans.
>>98464613>stares at cleavageCringeI drop the pen to get a better view of that ass
>>98464597Cringe.
>>98464623Damn. Did they say why they stopped? If I spy the core book for cheap I'll scan it myself and link it here
>>98463322Because they hire freelance authors who are gay race communists.
>>98464639Damn gay race communists must have been in gw since 5th edition because they clearly have been in control over bretonian lore since then.
>>98463322Good authors are expensive. Why waste money on something nobody will read.
>>98463322Don't read anything by Mike Brooks because he gets heavy on it in all his material. It's not super blatant throughout a whole novel but you'll read certain parts that are much more wordy and dogmatic than they need to be and it's been getting worse.
>>98464674Mike Brooks drives me mental because his books are fun and you can tell that he "likes" the setting but then he'll hit you with the gayest most retarded liberal politics you've ever heard and its honestly shocking. Idk how he gets away with it, what the fuck is his editor doing?
>>98463215I see you watched that JE video
>>98464597I wish you'd kill yourself.
>>98464687>what the fuck is his editor doing?if he says anything he'll get fired by HRit already happened once
>>98464674Wonder how he's going to fuck up the Tomb Kings in the rumoured book of his
>>98464706He’s going to make gay and/or trans skeletons.
>>98464687>what the fuck is his editor doing?Black Library still have editors?>>98464693Considering recent events in the UK, that might change, but probably not
>>98464708What was Bronze Age Egypt's opinion on same-sex relationships anyway?
>>98464709>Black Library still have editors?I would actually assume they don't since Lords of the Lance was also full of continuity errors including saying the king of bretonnia was Louen Leoncoeur who had not been born by the time the book takes place
>>98464597Stop watching anime faggotYou're obviously knee-deep in that Jap mind control
>>98464734Warhammer is Japanese, anon
>>98464734world would be better under jap mind control than being in a western puritian one.
>>98464739Would you play WHFB with 90s Dragon Quest Style inspired miniatures?
>>98464708>>98464716https://files.catbox.moe/lb7z9h.jpeg
>>98464652Well yes, they do all live in Nottingham.
>>98464752Maybe not with such big heads, but if they were Dragon Quest 8 style, then yes
>>98464099https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/1ovkvf4r/old-world-almanack-building-the-celestial-empire-of-grand-cathay/> Over the next few weeks, Old World Almanack will be touching on everything from sculpting to gameplay – but we’re starting at the very beginning, in 2018, when a video game studio approached Warhammer...>Owen: It all started in 2018, when Creative Assembly approached Games Workshop because they wanted to add more factions to the third title in the Total War series. They asked about Kislev first – which already had a fair amount of units described, and even designed – but a few of us got together and had fun concepting some new units. >They came back to us in 2019 and asked if they could tackle Grand Cathay. With something so embedded in the background of the Old World, and yet so mysterious, we told them we’d need to design the whole thing ourselves to ensure it was accurate to the setting.>Mark: We actually started before we knew that Warhammer: The Old World was coming back as a game – but we treated the whole project as you would any other new army, starting the work almost from scratch!>Owen: Rules-wise, even though we'd already begun work on Warhammer: the Old World by the point it was needed, we did a lot of work on them using the rules from the eighth edition of Warhammer Fantasy Battles – including a full set of unit profiles. This was to give Creative Assembly the context they needed to fit Grand Cathay into Total War, which is based on that edition of the game.
>>98464757I think you could have just posted that Oglaf comic as an image in the threadIt's not that explicit compared to other Oglaf strips
>>98464745Anytime anyone says shit like this I just know they need to have their hard drives searched by the FBI.
>>98463322>fuck man, the latest WC article has a female "lord"BL is bad because its BL. Its always been bad. A guy put a female character in his army because he felt like it.
>>98464606>outshoots you with better gunpowder and skillNothing personal, gweilo.
>>98464826>ignores that cannon was a disraction to cover the demigriph chargeOh your rice diet cant lift a jade spear? Shame you cant into melee. This is tau vs imperium and gonna end with the same ending for your women as the tau
>>98461276>>98462727Thanks anons! They're the first unit of a battle march army, so more to come.
>>98464136Awesome boar boss. Working on my own Battle March army and while I had to downgrade my Blorc Boss to a Warboss, I got to keep all my green tide, mostly.
>>98464830But the griffons were already spotted by the lanterns and shot down from miles away?Also cathay has better melee units than the empire lol
>>98464826Your guns are crude and primativeWe have rockets, machine gun cannons, regular cannons, mortars, machine gun horsemen, handgunners with actual rifles instead of crude shotguns, and steam tanks
>>98464884Also sniper rifles in the handgunner units
>>98464826>>98464830fuck off back to /40kg/the empire isn't the imperium and cathay isn't the tauif you can't even make appropriate shitposts instead of reskinning some trite 40k wank you shouldn't shitpost at all
>>98464534They're lying, the stream will come out when leaks do
>>98464843Thank you but unfortunately its not mine, just a cool boss I found online. Good luck with your Battle March green tide, may your WAAAGH run far and wide!
>>98464904>sees anons having fun thread>immediately derails
>>98464884And all worse than cathay guns. Curious.Also empire gunners still can't hit anything lolEmpire is so incompetent they can't even defeat a small marauder force and cathay has to step in to save their asses.What a pathetic people. At least GW doesnt waste any lore on them anymore.
>>98464830(Demis immediately murdered by Shugengan)
>>98464534They're live, btw.
>>98464773100%
>>98464935Your army needed a sensitivity team, meaning it barely counts as warhammer
>>98464950What are you fourteen? Fuck off faggot. Go to the sharty if you want to raid.
> Can use either Channelling or Arcane Magic ruleswhy?
>>98464916Go ahead, post your empire or cathayan miniatures
I adore the demigryph knights. they are so cool.
>>98464977Sure faggotI was gonna wait till I get the warwagon done before I took a full army pic but heres my demigriff knights and Graff Leopold von Spookensmasher
Channeling is exactly what we needed, finally some tactics to spell casting.
>>98465016There is a genuine charm to how shit your painting is.Its a style in itself that curves around to being pleasant. its "Painterly"
>>98465023I was wondering why they patched what level of wizards you can take based on game size but it never clicked that if you take 5 wizards you have unlimited spells
>>98465027NTA but the shittiest painted model is better than an unpainted model. It doesn't look like those are finished anyways, I would assume those highlights are gonna get covered by a wash.
>>98465027Thanks I guess>>98465030I kinda like the extreme highlights for the metalics but the purple and yellow could do with a glaze
They've spent a whole fucking hour talking about magic this shit isnt that fucking deep in actual play holy shit I hate these niggas.
So Arcane Magic requires you to have a deck of cards?
>>98465036They're your models, paint em how you like and don't let anyone tell you different.
>>98465058No he has to slather each model in one full pot of Nuln Oil each.
>>98463215
>>98465124Glad someone got the joke
>>98465036Your painting looks great don’t let Perrymanlet get you down. He spreads negativity however he can here dont forget
>>98464989Same.
>>98465016Nice.>>98465027You put it shittily, but it does have oil painting vibes.
AoSfag here. Should I buy the Starter set if I am going to buy the whole new Chaos Warrior range anyway? Or it would be cheaper to wait for individual set releases?
I think this is the first AJ that actually feels like it’s worth a buy outside army specific ones. Not only did they actually add significant mechanics and items but the lore sections feel very much like old army book stuff. The dark tongue alphabet is great.
>>98465231The Core set is going to be much cheaper if you're getting all that stuff as well
>>98464774The point is that they changed the fluff so that the guy putting in a female character was following rather than subverting it. Also said guy has form, he also did female(and female nignog) Empire Knights in a previous article.Bretonnians are, as a hyper-patriarchal medieval society focused on lineage, explicitly sexist. The Empire is an agrarian/proto-urban renaissance society with patrilineal succession. There is no rational reason for female warriors to exist as anything more than an incredibly rare curiosity, for female leaders to exist at all outside of organisations that are exclusively female or ones that sidestep all normal requirements of leadership eg magic users, and certainly no reason for ~10% of their militaries to be ethnic minorities.And yes, those things still matter in a fantasy world because unless you're an uncritical, uncaring slopsumer paypiggy who just wants to have an unending succession of pointless keys jangled in front of your face until your worthless life ends, verisimilitude and consistency matter. If you're going to deviate from the established tropes, themes, and inspirations of your chosen genre you have to *at minimum* actually explain how the changes work and why they exist from an in-setting perspective. Of course they do none of that because there is no in-setting justification for any of it, it's all pure unfiltered DEIslop peddled by talentless Gender Studies parasites who're making these changes exactly because they make no sense in-context.
Do you prefer the game or the video game?
>>98465239Bretonians aren’t real and even then the core of their lore is dogshit so who cares
>>98465231It’s going to be slightly cheaper to buy individually if you are just buying the models and don’t want to try to sell Cathay for cheap for a discount. If you are buying to play TOW then the WoC stuff+rulebook is already a savings so it’s definitely worth it.Probably makes the most sense to buy the box either way and then sell the Cathay stuff (and the book if you aren’t playing fantasy) for cheap.
>>98465240The most secondary question of all time.I love the setting. I love painting more than playing. And my computer is a potato so gooning to morathi is about as close to playing as I get
>>98465231Just get the half off of eBay.
>>98465240The BL books.
>>98465269Somehow the worst possible answer you could have given.
>>98465240I don't play tabletop so I guess the video game, I do have like 1000hrs across tww2 and tww3. My favorite part of warhammer is painting miniatures though.
>>98465239Anon, its "his" models (dont know if it actually is, although it could well be literally a personal collection). It was always "allowed", he could have had a lizardman leading them if he wanted. Thats how that works. Would it have been strictly canon? No, would it stop him? Also no, he would have simply said "yea, in my lore the bretonnians found a saurus they believe is blessed by the lady and hes going along with it" or whatever.>Also said guy has form, he also did female(and female nignog) Empire Knights in a previous article.So clearly the guy likes doing it. >There is no rational reason for female warriors to exist as anything more than an incredibly rare curiosityCool. And? >muh versimilitude and consistency, a honda civic is out of place, etcNot even wrong. But once again irrelevant to "some guy decided to stick a SoB head onto his models". Some warcom writer is not the guy writing the lore, hes simply a guy building and painting his models how he wants. And I would honestly be shocked if hes the first person to have a "bretonnian duchess" instead of a duke. >who're making these changes exactly because they make no sense in-context.Given theres a million other changes they could make that would also not make sense, im going to go and guess the reason for those changes isnt "they make no sense".
>>98465274Some BL books are absolute fucking heaters that stand up to any other popular fantasy novel.The overwhelming majority are terrible. It's a sad state of affairs.
>>98465246This is also stupid. If you dont care, whats even the point of warhammer? Theres better games from a purely mechanical perspective. Caring is the entire point.
>>98465294>Some warcom writer is not the guy writing the loreim pretty sure Dave the guy who being discussed here is one of the main TOW writers along with JTY since he shows up in all the TOW Almanack articles.So he is, in fact, writing the lore
>Cult Magistersintersting
>>98465307>whats even the point of warhammerTo roll some dice with models.
>>98465239I would absolutely read a book about a Bretonnian woman who disguises herself as a knight because she wants to avoid an arranged marriage (or some other reason idk) because Bretonnia is a hyper-patriarchal society. GW doesn't put in the effort required to make an actually interesting character because they hate their customer base and instead we get Lords of the Lance. FUCK.
>>98465324I stopped watching because the faggots keep talking in circles. Just post the screenshots.
>>98463910The cuck just couldn't help himself. I assume GW hires these losers because they have no life outside of work and are too big of pussies to ask for greater than or equal industry standard salary.they don't credit artist anymore, because the artist can't take the criticism.
>>98465350It's still pretty easy to find current artists that GW hires, it's really the Rules and fluff writers that have become completely anonymous
>>98463921>I'm pretty sure the Tom Renolds series is only 10+ years oldKnight Errant: Released in 2008. 18 years ago. Feel old yet?
>>98465334>HoC is backNoice
Are maruaders good? I like woc and norsemen but I had a stupid idea for a maruader themed army of people who are way too obsessed with Bethesda games. Like the maruaders think that Skyrim was the best elderscrolls, and the mutants are people who think that starfield isnt boring
I mean when peeps make OC Donut Steel characters back in the day, or in this games case, possibly regiments and armies too, they often did so that the character was special, not the norm. And FB has plenty of established norms.The problem is how many peeps are trying to turn the special into normal, including forcing you to accept it or throwing a tantrum in the process. And out of all the FB factions and nations, you would have to try pretty damn hard to do anything outside of the norm in Brettonia which is infamously comical in its culture. As opposed to the Empire or Ogres who are much more cosmopolitan relatively, especially based on province.
>>98465334Do we know what cultists are exactly yet?
>>98465334
>>98465382>the mutants are people who think that starfield isnt boringTruely a fantastical concept. That game is so ass when I watch people play it, I get the urge to read a book
>>98465393There on that right now but they're just cheap chaff
>>98465334>no jabberslythenoooooo that was gonna be the centerpiece of my mixed tzeentch army
>>98465398>>98465334No marked beastmen?
>>98465405Lmao, I didn't even know such people existed
>>98465418I’m surprised warriors kept marks to begin with
>>98465434Free magic item bray shamans get. I'm ok with that, gives an opening for experimentation.
>>98465334Really? No Centigor? No harpies? No forsaken or beastman chariots or razorgors? Pretty damn stingy list.
>>98465415>>98465451No preyton or cockatrice either.
>>98465460The preyton and GSC and so on I dont mind not having, theyre arcane journal units and lean towards the "special". The hellcannon is also missing and thats fine. But some omissions are pretty egregious.
>>98465334>cool concept murdered by overly conservative rules and restricrtionsYou love to see it. I get soup is strong, but really? 33% mandatory core, 2 mandatory units, the same godawful mark requirement as HoD and on top of it all its missing half the units from either army? Seriously: look at special, notice anything? Like the complete lack of beasman units?
>>98465334Sadly this is still one of the more interesting armies of infamy
>>98465469I want to like the cultists but they really feel like something tacked on.
>>98465487Oh 100%. Its one of the few that does something big with how an army plays, rather than just being "you get buffs to a strategy". What other lists even do that? Bretonnian exiles? Nomadic Waagh? >>98465495They needed to be cheaper, worse, and have more options. Like let them have shields, spears and so on. That way they can actually represent varied cultists. As is they overlap too much with marauders.
>>98465501Why is GW alergic to good magic weapons? Why is it just the frontier axe and then the two cathay ones? The flail of wrecks is pretty decent I guess.
i want to adventure in warhammer fantasy yeah it would be cool and fun
>>98465530I'd join you along for the ride.
>>98465528SDS think gimmick Magic items are more interesting
>>98465547In a way they are. Or rather: Yes, its good that the common magic items arent as dominant as they were in say 8e, where you would just have everyone take the ogre blade and so on instead of their army stuff. The issue is that the army special weapons also kinda suck. Theyre trying too hard to avoid powercreep and in return making items you simply cant care about.
>>98465334>>98465501
This is you.
Have they got to the bit of the book that's about building your chaos champion/beastlord? I wanna know what that's about.
>>98465565yes
>>98465504ambushing 2h weapons skirmishers overlap marauders? in what fucking world?
>>98465501The sword of reaving, flail of wrecks, grim verdict, hunter's scorn, armour of dark faith, scale of false promise, banner of the dark heart = butt-ass, horrible items, will probably never be used in a game everthe two talismans are pretty neat. Niche, but fun. The standard of the fell warrior is essentially 15 points and the opportunity cost of not taking a different banner to give a unit the Drilled rule. That's pretty okay, theoretically.
>>98465570Marauders also skirmish and ambush? As do gors actually for that matter (although gors are obviously much better than either).
>>98465415Just ask your friend if it's ok with you running that model in the list
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>>98465558I love the ring of doom, the rod of might, and the infernal familiar. Doombolt is an awful spell, but it's also my favourite magic missile in the entire game. Any excuse to potentially cast it 3 times on a single character per turn is a welcome addition to the game.
Do you have any Asur artwork to give to me?
>>98465581Only if you buy the options, for 9 fucking points per model. Cultists are 6pts with built ambush bonus
>>98465604I dont have it anymore but one of my favorite images was a high elf army on march over some perilis cliffs. In fact 2 images of thatOn looked like pencil sketch and one was more modern
>>98465579>flail of wrecksIs good. Its one handed, insanely good stats for the cost (on the charge), AP2 even when you arent charging, and the downside is essentially "-1 initiative after a round of combat" which you often dont care about on characters. The weapon could say "strikes last" and it would still be solid. Its definetly the best generic magic weapon by far.>scale of false promise+1T and +1W for 35pts is solid. Stupidity is bad but most characters have high LD. Not a must take, but will have its users. >>98465558The demon blood steed is unironically usable. In particular its good for demonic steed chaos lords, makes them a whopping m9. Bonus points for if youre MoK and end up with a 4 attacks s6 steed.
>>98465562I wish my peepee was this big ...
>>98465611I assume these are banned in "competetive" play? Because what do you mean 3w ws6 guy for 90pts? In WOC? What do they think this is, bretonnia?
>>98465604I'll share a few pieces I have.
>>98465611Whats the chaos rewards table look like?
>>98465334>>98465565
>>98465637Can never take these guys seriously with the furry pelts and the coneheads.
>>98465645>regeneration 2+ chaos lordBELIEVE
>>98465657Imagine being a chaos lord, thinking yourself invincible when some imbred French peasant kills you with a lucky shot because their lord paid for them to half a few coals
>>98465604A big ass folder of it.
Loving this new ruleset tbf. For a few reasons actually>Makes magic more interesting>Makes miscasts way more fun>Gives opposing wizards their own in-game power struggle>The rules are optional (an actual pro-consumer move from GW in current year, can you believe it)>The swinginess of some new rules, the variety of rules options to now pick from, the far greater amount of random chance stuff, is all going to make touneyfags seethe, which is a treat all of its ownBy Gork I'm now even slightly hopeful they'll bring back animosity in some form
Thank you so much:)
>>98465700Unfff those hips. Oh and I see the Everqueen is there too.
>>98465614I'll be completely honest, I misread that blurry text as saying that it would lower the wielder's initiative TO 1, not BY 1. My bad. Yeah, the flail is probably pretty good. However, I completely disagree with you regarding the scale of false promise. Stupidity is bad. Very bad. It's not worth it, ever.
>>98465604Part 1:https://imgur.com/a/azhdpCn
>>98465656Can you take them seriously here>>98465696
>>98465604Part 2:https://imgur.com/a/eyLyxJh
>>98465737When half the detail is omitted I can’t say anything other than that the pelts and the helmets are still retarded.
>>98465687>The rules are optionalGW doesn't want you to know this, but all rules are optional.
>>98465753I love the cones and the wings personally.
>>98465546ok what do u bring? what skills u got?im a tall lanky blonde ethnic kislevite but i speak riekspiel and come from stirland and i have an axe and my grandfathers cool old sword and i have autism
>>98465604Part 3:https://imgur.com/a/qRTbJhg
>>98465775oh idk why it kept spoilering but im driving so cant spellcheck
>>98465604Part 4:https://imgur.com/a/bbDj5M8
>>98465604
This AJ is the first AJ I will be buying and not pirating. It looks like they actually put a lot of effort and thought into it. I didn’t think I would say this about a GW rules release in 2026 but good fucking job GW. Keep up the good work.
>>98465754Oh yeah sorry I should have made clear I know that, I was considering house ruling the FBIGO mechanics into an older edition until these magic updates came along (I still might). But I think it's fair to say that the majority of people don't think that way, and having to buy 4 different books with mandatory rules just to play the game and/or keeping up with mandatory rules updates every few weeks when most of us take months to finish an army has killed other systems and editions. Nice to see a departure from that for once.
>>98465805Appreciating this so far. Thank you.
>>98465847It’s meh. Magic changes are nice enough but I can see them being figured out soon enough. I think there was a lot more effort that could have been put into the book overall, but I haven’t touched my chaos army in a while and this book isn’t really gonna get me to change that. I might eventually play a game sometime before this year ends I guess.
>>98465871The magic changes broadly show that they are looking at feedback and implementing changes based on it. This AJ is genuinely amazing if for that only.
>>98465334>Beastmen with marauder horsemen instead of retarded drunken centaursNeat
>>98465871>>98465936QRD? Im at work so cant listen to shit.
>>98465968One of the chief complaints of TOW has been that magic was underdeveloped, maybe even boring. Now we have two optional expansions (a dice pool or a card deck to augment your wizards' abilities), a set of wizard vs wizard magical ploys, a much more dangerous miscast table (mandatory if you use the dice or the cards, or available if you want to use it with regular magic). Freshens magic up quite a bit. Plus semi-hordes of chaos, build your own chaos champion, new gifts, new magic items. Decent all round imo.
>>98465847>>98465936>>98465986Yeah the magic stuff feels like it came out of a future 2e it's so expansive. Rare GW W
>>98465986Ill have to check it out when I get home. Is there a release date?
>>98465558Scale of False Promises could be unreal on a beefy hero like a Big Boss. +1T and +1 Wound for 35??? Steal, even with stupidity.
>>98466010Goes up for pre order on Saturday, releases 2 weeks from Saturday.
>>98465558wait a secondthe flail is actually retarded goodyou can give a chaos lord the flail of wrecks, the pendant of damnation, and the periapt of soul exchange with enough points left over for one favour of the gods
>>98466014Even better, Gorebulls can take it with gnarled hide. Baller as fuck monster.
>>98466038On a manticore it does seem like it would be excellent.
Are these changes to the magic system for everyone or just WoC Please spoon feed me thank you.
>>98465614>+1T and +1W for 35pts is solid. Stupidity is bad but most characters have high LD. Not a must take, but will have its users.some units have veteran, so you can embed the character into it to reroll stupidity. If you have ld 8 or 9 as well, then its extremely unlikely to fail, although it can still happen
>>98466070Channelling is for all magic users, but dwarfs can't really interact with it at allArcane magic applies to every army in the game, even ones with no casters
>>98466067You can't give a manticore-riding lord the pendant of damnation, it would have to be a lord on a a daemonic mount.
>>98466070Everyone. Except dwarfs. But also partially dwarfs.
>>98466073The beastmen characters also have warband.
>>98466076You assume I and my opponent know how to read, which is clearly a big presumption on your part
>>98465334Daemon bros?
>paragraph of flavor text for each ployThis was unironically my biggest complaint about TOW. With most flavor text being reduced to 1 sentence. Still the case for magic items in this AJ, but I guess it's a problem of not having enough space in the 48 pages. I live for this shit.
New miscast table (mandatory if you're using any of the new magic stuff)
Still no Sylvania WHFRPG pdf?I miss you pastebinanon my love.
>>98466127Cygors are so... well not back since they never really ever made it here before. But they finally have arrived!
>>98465382Yes, as a basic, brick infantry block. In fact, throughout the games history, they are considered the superior choice over the iconic warriors in game performance. Not due to superior stats but significantly cheaper while also being respectable in combat and durability.
>>98465382Marauders are meta, much better than warriors. Also there is a good marauder themed army of infamy that adds more units like Berzerkers to them.
>>98466217He will come back he always does
Would this look out of place on a dual weilding warboss?
>>98466394it would probably look overdesigned, if your problem is representing what the model technically has in terms of rules, then you can just keep the shield on the back
>>98466399Imagine this guy with a shield on his other arm. I am split because the shield arm is a little too tucked in for my liking.
>>98466073Yea, that too. Its not some OP "everyone is running this forever" item, but its 100% something you can and will see ran as a "this makes your character a good bit tankier" option.
>>98465710>I misread that blurry text as saying that it would lower the wielder's initiative TO 1, not BY 1I mean, imagine you were right: It would be a (slightly) better version of "strikes last", a rule that - at least from my experience - is not that big a deal. Maybe its because I play chaos and chaos has tanky characters, but frankly a lot of the time i1 literally does not matter, while S+2 Ap2 MW(2) absolutely does.
>diet Hordes of Chaos means I can put some pestigors in with my Nurgle WarriorsNeat, assuming my Warriors ever get delivered I’m going to fucking snap holy fuck
Rolled 1 (1d15)>>98465622I have to wonder popular really is Bretonnia.I know that they hadn't received an Armybook (or any sort of support) since 6th, and GW put a lot of effort on them during early-TOW; but was it really worth it?
>>98465622Thank you for this. I have some knights left that I will roll for their backstories and colors
>>98463952what model anon?
>>98464371>MoN>not uselessAnon the only good mark is MoS. MoT is ok for sorc bunkers or for fucking over Tomb Kings but thats it. MoN is only better than MoK due to the way frenzy got changed and even then its not good.
>>98465611Why would you ever take the other characters over these? Even the Chaos lord looks like shit vs this dude for most of the stuff.
>>98466615They will probably be banned in matchplay as they are not really built for that
>>98462725>Maybe this isn't the game/place for you if you feel that way. Instead of trying to change a game so fundamentally that has been one way for the past 30 years, go find a game that suits your tastesThis is an entirely retarded and narrow mindset to have. Warhammer is completely unrecognizable compared to 1, 2nd, 3rd etc. edition and countless mechanics has been overhauled or changed over the decades. Antiquated and clunky rules SHOULD be changed,and individual model removal is chief amongst them. If you hate change they you should not be playing TOW, you should be playing 1st edition.
>>98465847Oh boy, new battle pass season just dropped?! Let me read the patch notes ASAP!!!!
>>98466673Bitterness is a choice
A silverhelm and his mother
>>98466673You lost. GW won. Cry more.
>>98466725Lost what?
>>98466735Months of time, all your effort shitposting, all for nothing. TOW is more popular than ever and this place is more active than ever. TOW/Fantasy/GW won. You lost.
If chaos cultists get official models in TOW before I get a plastic bretonnian hippogryph I will literally shit my pants and cry
dice+1d15>>98465622Also, has anyone ordered/printed highland miniatures "Gallia" before? Is 28mm or 32mm more appropriate? Thinking of placing an Etsy order or finding some locally
>>98466776>>98466776>>98466776>>98466776New
>>98466773I got their foot knights on 28mm and I'm happy with them
>>98466784Thanks, reposted in the new thread with the roll fixed, but glad I checked here.
>>98466665I suspect tons of diehard TOW players could never bring themeselves to play a game of, say, 3rd edition. I think the vast majority of people (not necessarily reflected here on wfg) won't even consider playing a version of the game that's not sanctioned by GW.
>>98463122Well, he's playing Beasts of Chaos versus Warriors of Chaos, so it's not like there's a need to block LOS to deter shooting.A little scatter terrain can still be maneuvered around to preemptively foil a charge, but you don't need much for that.Consider it a table garnish.
>>98461529Yeah pretty much everyone but the most braindead fanboys agree it's complete goyslop for pigs. My favourite bit is how McNeill didn't even bother to do the most basic reading on what TOW was and completely forgot to set the novel in the Age of the Three Emperors. IIRC there are straight up references to king Louen Leoncoeur in this piece of shit of a book. That's not even getting into the flat one dimensional characters, boring ass plot and overwrought Woke 1.0 browbeatings.If you want a novel about chivalry and castles and peasants that manages to incorporate well written female characters, I would instead recommend Le Grand Feu by Jeanne Bourin (©Éditions de la Table Ronde, 1985). And if you don't care for women, then obviously Ivanhoe by Sir Walter Scott, that still dominates as one of the best chivalric romances ever written in modern times.t. ranny
>>98463322>fuck man, the latest WC article has a female "lord", do fags run the placeBuddy, one of the first Bretonnian armies featured in WD back in like 1993 was Alessio Cavatores personal host, which was lead by two sisters, a damsel and a converted Repanse he was running as a Bret lord. People have always wanted cool fem knight minis irregardless of le woke menace, it's a completely different convo from the novel being shityy wokescolding.
>>98461940Nah I disagree, Blücher, which is for my money, the best historical wargaming rulesets, ditches strict igougo for a more dynamic momentum-based gameflow. You could honestly try bolting it on WHFB/TOW, provided you're playing a large enough battle.>>98461880>>98461863Very cool freehand banner anon, even if it is from 2015.
