VtM players be like: I'm the type of beast that doesn't look the blood doll in the eyes, especially if I find them physically attractive.

V6: You take that shit back to Golconda. You're in the World Of Darkness. We monsters in this motherfucker! We make an uncomfortable amount of evil decisions. We never regain our human morals.

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>>98462827
>You're in the World Of Darkness. We monsters in this motherfucker! We make an uncomfortable amount of evil decisions. We never regain our human morals.

>>98462775
>TQ
You have made me realize that because I am really straight edge IRL, I have never made a PC that regularly does anything harder than alcohol.

Now I feel boring.

>>98462861
You gotta get on blood cocaine. It's the hip new drug with kindred under 200.

>>98462775
I had an Irish new age druid stoner in HtV. He was a Witch with shapechanging plant growth, and some other stuff. He drove a busted up landscaping/gardening van (his day job) that he slept in and he also sold pot on the side. He would usually just carry the seeds and use magic to grow them on demand. The pot smoking stoner act was mostly just a joke & I didn't make it a serious part of his personality at all. Personally i fucking hate stoners and all junkies. Wish I could hunt them for sport

>>98462853
The Beast Player's Guide actually convinced me Beast wasn't a completely unsalvageable game line in a theoretical CofD 3e.

>>98462971
It's more of a question of what is the worth of doing so. They have some interesting threads but for the most part they sound like those should be given to other game lines, mainly Lost.

>>98462971
I like to imagine that Beasts are something that used to work in ancient times, maybe even living more symbiotically with Heroes, but but somehow became fundamentally broken.

>>98463049
Oh, fey taking on a more active "monster under the bed" role could be fun. Maybe trying to keep banality levels low in a city without blowing yourself up in the process?

>>98463049
The core book is peppered with these little half-page stories, most of them other splats interacting with Beasts. There's one where a changeling is talking to one who likes to scare people walking home and he point-blank asks, "do you ever take them?"

>>98463112
>Let's have a game where you play a character that preys on the fears of children and the mentally unwell
I get the appeal but that's a hard sell these days to the average (non-vidya) gamer

Also, most tables might probably balk at the possibility of playing a character that presents as a child abductor/rapist simply because of the implication...

>>98461372
Rosu Angeresu

>>98463112
>Oh, fey taking on a more active "monster under the bed" role could be fun.
(The Autumn Court would like to know your location.)

>>98463183
Vampires eat people.

>>98462775
i kinda like that trope
in vtr i once got my st agree to let my character smoking a specific brand of cigarette religiously count as a touchstone

in vtm i had a settie with a cocaine laced blood addicition

and i once played a short lived mage who was vitae addicted... surpsingly i didn't get killed because of that but because another idiot player blew me up

>>98462853
What is this even about

>>98462750
Sweet. Not convinced that it's necessary, but sweet.

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>>98460599
They are talking about tits

>>98463190
Yeah but vampires don't NEED to terrify and possibly abuse children to survive

They also (mostly) don't pretend that they're a necessary evil

Are there any actually good stories, fanfictions and the like to read?

>>98463370
>They also (mostly) don't pretend that they're a necessary evil
"A monster I am, lest a monster I become."

I like to go back to videos about when the WoD MMO was still in development and just cringe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEi7nQbNDog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0hEenozI0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mB8UX6sOrQ

>>98462971
Most people agree Beast as a game is interesting, but it's dragged down by the rapist writer projecting his issues onto the game and then proceeding to throw everyone off.

>>98463419
I thought he was the one thrown off, but then the rest of the team were left to clean up the mess with barely any time to fix it.

>>98463382
That's more a "me or him" rationalization rather than dressing up hurting people as some well-intentioned gesture for the victim's benefit.

>>98463377
Pencils down Death rays up is always a classic, even if it like 20 year old at this point

I just can’t get into WtA, the rituals filtered me.

>>98463377
Some of the official anthologies were fun to read, like When Will You Rage and Drums around the Fire. There were some good standalone novels also, like The Silver Crown and Breathe Deeply.

>>98463459
Thid is because they're retarded drum circle bullshit no reasonable table would ever play out written for LARPers.

Most of the other Changeling Breeds don't fall into this trap because they were written by actual human beings; their rites/ritual lists are much shorter and are something you could reasonably gloss over while feeling organic, like a prayer before battle in other games.

>>98463377
Truth Beyond Paradox is kino
Except for that one story.

https://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/shamefuldisplay/changeling-the-lost-gallery-2
I love this guys CTL art. It’s so cute.
What, I’m a sucker for this kinda stuff

>>98463377
The VtR series in Chicago is pretty decent, covers a decent breadth of different characters and most of them are pretty fun, the world feels realised in a nice way. The only downside is the Carthian character's supporting cast who are the most embarrassing"I played San Andreas, this is how gangsta's talk" pieces of shit.

>>98463377
I like the Book of Nod, Revelations of the Dark Mother, The Ericyes Fragments but I'm a sucker for mythology.

>>98463377
There's this massive Requiem fanfic that folds in Forsaken and Beast (of all things). The side-characters and general plot are pretty good, but the main character is absolutely insufferable and unfortunately, the author (and every character) thinks he's just the coolest fucking dude to ever exist. It has a pretty heavy smut focus that comes and goes, it's called My Little Ventrue.

>>98463287
You're human during the day and a monster when you dream. You feed on human fear by giving them nightmares they won't forget.

>>98463468
Which one?
Like 3 were extremely kino, but I don't recall any very bad one.

So i had a thought about the 1 dot dominate power (in vtm v20)
When you use Dominate, the command has to be a single word. But there are many languages in the world. It doesn’t explicitly say that the target has to understand the language. So theoretically you could pick a language that compresses certain concepts into a single word. I don’t mean anything super complex, but I can imagine there’s a language that has a single word meaning “tell the truth,” for example. That would still fall under the definition of “The order must be clear and straightforward,” but it would let you make the instruction more precise or include clearer instructions. I think this comes from the fact that the rules were obviously written with English in mind. “The vampire locks eyes with the subject and speaks a one-word command, which the subject must obey instantly.” You could argue that the power works supernaturally, and since it doesn’t say the person has to know the word. Unless you argue it falls under “If the command is at all confusing or ambiguous, the subject may respond slowly or perform the task poorly.” Which still implies that it does work. It’s obviously a bit powergamey, but for bilingual characters or elders who know many languages, it might actually be relevant. A quick google search gave me this result:

several languages have single verbs that mean “to tell the truth” (rather than requiring a phrase like “tell the truth”).
Arabic: The verb صَدَقَ (sadaqa) specifically means “to tell the truth.”
Ancient Greek: The verb ἀληθεύω (alētheūō) means “to speak the truth” or “to act truthfully.”
Spanish: The verb sincerarse can be used reflexively to mean “to open up” or “to tell the truth / speak honestly.”

Corax pussy

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>>98463744
The Ventrue lady's eyes seem to glow for a fraction of a second, catching anon's full attention as she points to the paragraph in the manual.
"READ.", she commands.

What I am allowing as a ST with the first dot in Dominate is to ask a yes or no question and order: "ANSWER." Everything must be in a language the victim understands, and if you want the long story you need more dots, like Mesmerize.

>>98463797
well i was quick referencing from a wiki and that part was left out, so shame on me i guess...

oooor you could just show a person you are interrogating the dictionary site before with the word "learn" and it should still work right?

>>98463764
Elaborate

>>98463744
>>98463797
that awkward moment when you are an awesome hermetic master (without mind1 somehow) and the tremere neonate with a single dot in dominate speaks a single word in the platonic ideal of language (enochian) which he somehow cribbed from a thousand year old grimoire laying about in the chantry, perfectly communicates an incredibly complex order.

>>98463764
Is overrated. Bastet pussy is far superior.

>>98463744
>>98463797
>>98463823

theoretically as a thought experiment, up to a certain limit of complexity you could theoretically invent a nonsene word and give it a meaning of a task. Then force a person to "LEARN" it with Dominate 1 then use the word with dominate 1 to make them perform the task you previously defined right?

>>98462775
Asking again my question from last thread

Can someone explain something to me… in Mage the Ascension when someone picks up biological implants they get to choose between either taking up permanent paradox (which can’t be lowered), or picking up genetic flaws.

But the description of genetic flaws seems a bit weird. Like say you increased your stamina. One of the effects that you can pick up is an increase in appetite. How does that work? How do you implement that in game? And how do you quantify it if someone has many/big implants that grants massive increase? Because the increase in appetite seems mostly like flavor text. And honestly I prefer to say that my mage eats two hamburgers in a meal instead of one, compared to taking like 5 permanent paradox points.

>>98461829
Obviously but it doesn’t tell me much

>>98463845
"OЯГ∀∑E"

>>98463895
the corax will wring you out for all your secrets then tell them to garou, who will come by to laugh at the "secret" of your small dick. The Bastet will wring you out of all your secrets to blackmail you and then groom you into being a good little gaian fifth columnist for whatever organization you are in. Literally advanced pussywhipping. I'd rather take the bird, at least the embarassment will be temporary.

>>98463920
It would probably be something like, you have to eat every other scene or get negative modifiers because you are so hungry or if you have resources 1 or 2 then it's worth less because you spend more money on food, that sort of thing.

Is the Delirium unique to the Garou? Like, if a werecat goes into their Crinos equivalent, would that cause Delirium in humans?

>>98463951
The Delirium is not unique to the Garou
Some Moloke inflict the delirium against the Garou...for some reason, I forget why.

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>>98462775
>Does your character have a drug of choice? Have any of your games gone off the rails because of (hopefully in game) drug use?
Not my character, but a late friend of mine played a Nosferatu who exclusively fed from drug users as part of his theme of decay. He was hoping to develop a bloodline and unique discipline out of it, but couldn't make anything work to a satisfying degree and eventually gave up on it. He had a feeding ground centered around a rundown tenement full of heroin users.

There was also a Requiem game where a scene spiraled out of control when another friend of mine got his character hopped up on crack when we went to storm a Belial's Brood strong hold. The building caught fire during the fight, cops and fire trucks showed up, and my friend had his character strip naked before running out into the street shouting "I'm on PCP bitches!!!" to draw the cops away.

>>98463951
It highly depends on the shifter. Werecats cause reduced Delirium in Crinos but full Delirium in Chatro (Big Scary Cat form). Kitsune do not cause Delirium at all, for example.

>>98463957
>>98463963
What about stuff like the Pithus form of the Ananasi? Big ass spiders are scary as fuck, right?

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>>98463823
>>98463917
As a ST I would think and if I must, roll, to determine the answer to questions such as:

How well does the victim remember...
- the command being issued? (actual verb)
- who issued the command?
- having done what was commanded?
- the context in which the command was issued?
...and I don't have a one-answer fits all. Because the answer to these and other questions depends on a number of factors, starting with how strong is the will of the victim.

Sometimes it is convenient for the vampire that the victim remembers as little as possible, but other times the vampire wants something to stick.

Let's go back to the example of the Ventrue lady commanding anon to READ. It would cause anon's eyes to dart over to the book sure, but how well does anon remember the lesson?

And that is why Mesmerize is the superior power, at two dots, letting you extract more information and implant more detailed instructions.

As a ST, you shouldn't let your player abuse Command to the point they get the same results as Mesmerize but instantly.

As a player, you should be clever like the Dominate users say the are, and play with Command while staying within the limits of this sudden encounter of two wills.

Dominate is an immense and frightening power that is accessible even to ghouls.

>>98463744
>When you use Dominate, the command has to be a single word.
No it doesn't. It must just be simple.
"Tell me the truth."
"Pick it up."
"Go away."
"Open the door".
"Tell me about your mother."
All completely valid.

>>98463975
it was mostly a thought experimtent. i am a player and none of my characters know dominate or plan to learn it (it feels kinda against the ahrimane spirit). But it's always interesting to try to find creative ways to expand your capabilities especially if you play as low level neonates.
> Let's go back to the example of the Ventrue lady commanding anon to READ. It would cause anon's eyes to dart over to the book sure, but how well does anon remember the lesson?
That's why i think "Learn" would be the superior command word in that circumstance, since it requires to actually remember and understand.
the description of the power defines it to be limited in complexity, so the amount of complexity you can put into the invented command word i think would be the easiest way for a ST to prevent abuse. After all it says "simple and clear commands". "Go to X place at Y time" for example is a matter of discussion (or ST decision) if it is already too complex for 1 dot.

>>98463917
Sounds fairly complex, and being subjected to domination is inherently disorienting. I am not saying it is impossible, conceptually, I just question if it would be practical to any meaningful degree.

This is everyone's reminder that different clans use Dominate differently, and where the Ventrue suggest the Lasombra demand, and Lasombran servants regularly turn into drooling retards that fail at thinking for themselves because they just keep bulldozing them with Dominate. Every time you dominate someone, you do *some* form of damage.

>>98463997
He said one dot, so specifically Command, herr Freud.

>>98463964
if i remember correctly the kitsune are the only ones who don't cause delirium because they weren't around yet during the war of rage let alone the impergium

>>98463950
Uh, I guess that’s a good way to implement it.
Reminds me of a Spider-Man OC I once made in a Frostpunk world.

I was doing research on enhancements because I wanted to make a character with 10 intelligence. Now that I’m reading again on those enhancements I’m disappointed that there’s none that increase wits and manipulation.

>>98463895
Bastet pussy got Tremere acting unwise

>>98463744
I think this might work better as a combo. Pair Dominate with another Discipline that could arguably cover language & communication

>>98463957
Its okay, the Mokole probably forgot too,

>>98464059
All magic and no sex makes the apprentices dull boys.

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>>98463523
Aye, this, I feel like giving an uncertain mythic backdrop about a long-gone age of larger than life beings makes for creating more interesting plot threads and NPCs than them telling you a highly detailed relationship map of which elder has which agenda and relationship with each clan member in the city.
>>98463049
>>98463112
>>98462853
I haven't played Lost or Beast but I feel like if I did I'd try to make a "feeds on fear" character but without the pedo undertones. I'd try to be more like an urban legend like Shonen Batto/ Candyman/Babadook/Bloody Mary than a Jason/Michael Meyers, farming glamour off the legend itself rather than how many people you string by their intestines and only doing that to worse monsters, which you then end bombastically in order to perpetuate your story. Fell like that'd be a neat source of glamour.

>>98464026
What do you mean there is none? You could probably easily cook something up that's what Mage is about.
Some implant that overheats your brain or something (best for frostpunk, so you could become a heater yourself).

>>98464243
Well I just went and read about the biological implants that boost attributes in the core M20 book, and they only affect Strength, Dexterity, Stamina, Appearance and Intelligence. I admit that I’m surprised that there’s nothing about increasing the speed of your thought process (Wits). I know that they have equivalent in Shadowrun and Cyberpunk. I wanted to make a living supercomputer and I figured that high intelligence and wits would be necessary.

The Spider-man OC idea I had in the past did generate heat. I called him Spider-flame because the spider that bit him also had fire-ant DNA. He was a bit stronger, and way more durable than regular Spidey alongside generating flames from his body, but in exchange he had to consume way more calories or starve to death. Which was especially dangerous in a Frostpunk NY, and had him dependent on Oscorp for nutrients pills. He was opposing it, but couldn’t let the rioters who he supported (and some being his friends) raid the place and ransack it.

>>98464334
Spider with fire ant DNA bites character and gives him fire powers instead of a venomous stinger. Very Marvel.

>>98464417
I prefer to think of it as old super hero logic.
Like Superman saving a whole solar system out of a cataclysm by pulling on a giant chain

>>98463951
Some Fomori, Gorgons, and Kami can create a Delirium like effect. It can even affect other supernatural creates if you get the 7 pt power.

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Here's my Akashic Archmage, ST

>>98464507
That's clearly a Life rote he's using, not Mind.

>>98463414
Do you think they'll ever try it again?

>>98464539
after how vtmb2 crashed and burned?

>>98464123
>make a "feeds on fear" character
I've been kind of doing that myself, only less as a folklore monster and more as I Batman "I am vengeance" thing. ST has to work with you though, since no matter how menacing/horrifying/brutal you are, he needs to sell for the NPCs without making every single fight end with them screaming and running away.

Rolled 6, 3, 5, 5 = 19 (4d10)

>>98463961
>a late friend of mine played a Nosferatu who exclusively fed from drug users
Im sorry for your loss. One of my friends made a meth addicted Nosferatu STPC (more or less a quest giver and information hub for our coterie) who made meth and gave it to addicts in exchange for sips, materials to make more meth, and basic companionship. Quite a wholesome character ironically enough.

>Bleu Beckons You
At the risk of yet another botch I am going to attempt to resist this beckoning but I am weak to thick thighs and that sort of panty shot.

>>98464013
The Nuwasha also don't cause delerium and instead have a kind of invisibility in their crinos equivalent.
Their"war" form is a cognito hazard that's incomprehensible to the human mind, so they forget the nuwasha exists faster than their mind can register their presence. This means humans generally ignore a crinos nuwasha even as their being pick-pocketted in broad daylight. The effect extends to Images of the nuwasha crinos as well.
(This got retconned in WtA20 changing breeds, downgrading them to "causes delerium, but weaker", but WtA20 changing breeds is completely ass for other reasond and should be ignored regardless).

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>>98464123
>Shonen Batto

Last threads talk of Elders keeping g uo with language & slang just made me contemplate an Elder keeping up with stuff in modern nights. Imagine you go to Elysium & the Prince is like
>"We need to be Camarillamaxxing in this city. Some of you are not as Traditionspilled as you claim!"

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>>98464699

>>98464699
It HAS to have the energy of your parents/grandparents trying to stay "hip" while not fully comprehending what the slang means.

>>98464699
>Imagine you go to Elysium & the Prince is like
>"How do you do, fellow kids?"

>>98464699
That makes me wonder who the youngest prince in any of the books is. There have to be at least a couple really dubious princes that are under a century.

>>98464707
It would be more like
>How are thou, fellow fledglings?

Rolled 4, 1, 10, 7, 6 = 28 (5d10)

>>98464654
If you are weak then it implies a difficulty of 7 at the very least, which would mean a failure to resist beckoning.

Now watch how a pro does it

actual conversation conversation that happened in one of your games after a new prince took control
>now we are finally going to implement new ideas from mortal society in this city! we aren't in the dark ages anymore people
>then how about a election?
>fuck off!

Rolled 10, 2, 9, 6, 3 = 30 (5d10)

>>98464737
>>98464654

Foolish neonates! This is how you do it

>>98464744
Nah I'm with the Prince on this one. Look how easily the mortals can fumble democracy. With vampires? It'd fail at the first hurdle.

>>98464744
Democracy implies everyone is equal/deserves an equal voice.

Sorry but Blood is the power of Kindred, & Blood is what we follow

>>98464744
Tbf, kindred have a very small and controlled population. It’s the kind of stupid idea that’ll encourage city gangrels and brujahs to mass embrace just to get more votes

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I don't think democracy would work with individuals with Presence or Dominate
>democracy doesn't work anyway
It would work even less
I got a fucking star of David captcha lmao

>>98464719
>There have to be at least a couple really dubious princes that are under a century.
Mithras is currently set up in the body of a black zoomer that attempted to diablerize him and got possessed.

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>>98464737
>DC 7
Damn. I took two dice out of my pool to represent that weakness. I assumed it would still be DC 6. Ill leave it up to Bleu to make the final ruling. At least it wasnt a botch.
I love these little reaction pics but Im going to try and use them sparingly. Dont want to clog the image limit.

>>98464767
No way. A small group of bloodsucking commies would never use a bunch of dead people to swing the vote!

>>98464699
>>98464700
>An elder who went to sleep after the Great Chicago Fire recently showed me how to use this thing called Twitter.
-Blood & Smoke (Requiem 2e core)

>>98464812
Well it could be diff 8… I said 7 since it’d be a difficult task, but not extra hard. Then again weak-will raises the difficulty to 8, and automatic success on dominate and other forceful mind altering powers. Like dementation, or Thaumaturgy. I never played with taking dice away.

I had wished to botch. Would have made it funnier. Plus Shark despite having an 8th gen with 10 willpower and under the effect of Loyalty, is surprisingly weak to mind powers. Well, elders never fail against him with disgusting amounts of success.

>>98464744
>>98464767
Elections don't work when your rules follow a pattern or gerontocracy. The Traditions explicitly refer to your "Elder" multiple times. Ultimately the oldest vampires would end up in the relevant positions like Seneschal and Sheriff. Plus we have to remember how much vampires love backstabbing eachother by nature. Praxis claimed by the oldest and/or most socially powerful is a hard system to beat.

>>98464719
the youngest i know is Rathe Haversham was the self proclaimed prince of london's east end during the victorian age and he was embraced in 1801 and victorian age vampire starts at 1890 but he been at it for a unknown amount of time already

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>>98464699
>>98464700
>>98464840
Full quote here.

>>98464844
My brain went fuzzy with the actual mechanics so I made a snap decision.
How is your ST? I have been meaning to ask.

>>98464750
i don't disagree i just found the immediate "fuck off" funny as hell because the prince who wants to look so progressive doesn't even bother to explain why not

>>98464892
No news since last time… I’m gonna ask today if everyone is okay.

I’m back. He’s still in pain but doing alright. More inconvenience on his side that he can’t be treated yet. There’s hope for a game this Sunday.

He also made plenty of Shark jokes and is pretty settled on him starting Gehenna. I answered that it was pretty based and wyrm-pilled

What are the Garou's opinions on lab-grown meat

>>98464993
Anyone whose not a glass-walker would consider it some kind of evil weaver form of necromancy... Bone Gnawers would still eat it though(Either way, it's cheap meat).

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Drafting up some sample antagonists for my WtF game. I like the idea that this small area is under the control of the Ivory Claws, the offspring of some big-shot further up north has been charged with maintaining the territory and had a pack placed under them. 8 or 9 Pure in total, but with a large support-network of wolf-blooded and others working in the local police department etc. I'm a bit unsure on how to characterise the leader, beyond them being young and inexperienced. The Ivory Claws are all about purity and lineage, so this leader commands the respect of the pack despite being unproven. Beyond that, I'm not sure how to flavour these guys in a way that sells them as Pure, while also making them distinct beyond "the werewolf bad guys". The Pure book talks a whole lot, but it doesn't really feel like it actually has much to say? Any suggestions?

The area has a lot of tidal activity, but was also bombed during the War, and since the game is in 1980 it's still in living memory for enough people. So I think the Hisil will intermittently have bombing-raids with large Luftwaffe aircraft flying overhead, shedding smaller bomb-spirits. These explosions sometimes travel through the Gauntlet, manifesting as gas-leaks, fuel-tank explosions and methane explosions on farms.

>>98464993
Like most new ideas, there would be a great deal of debate where the traditionalists assert it is definitely a tool of the wyrm. By the time the tech-progressivists can prove it's actually a completely neutral science Pentex will buy up the companies that make it and corrupt them. Ultimately the traditionalists will be able to declare they were right all along and Garou culture once again fails to adapt to a world that grows increasingly hostile to them.

Why are the Garou so dumb?

>>98464993
wta considers science itself to be something alien and evil and the return to the stone age to be a good ending so what do you think?

>>98465101
If they were smart they would be too perfect. That's the joke. Being a 15 foot tall humanoid-wolf bulldozer can't save you from the killbrained retardation that afflicts you in such a state. You'll win the fight and lose the war: That's the real Apocalypse.

>>98465101
They are half dogs.
And their dog half comes from some of the dumbest breeds.

>>98465101
The real truth is that Garou were not meant to be soldiers
They are pest control for humanity

>>98464993
"muh wyrm taint", the same as everything else

>>98465054
>The Pure book talks a whole lot, but it doesn't really feel like it actually has much to say? Any suggestions?
First start by asking the following questions:

>What do the Pure want to achieve?
>Why do they want this?
>How do they plan to achieve it?

Now apply a trickle-down effect. The answers to the above questions color the answers to the local Pure faction, filtered through their history and local environment. And that also trickles down to the answers the BBEG has to the same questions. Any other Pure members that are important in any capacity must also answer those questions, colored by all of the above. That's how you flesh out a faction.

>>98464507
I would say Verbena

What’s your idea of a character or concept that might diverge too far into magical realm territory?

I would like to play a female gargoyle who was made with bits of toreador instead of Nosferatu. Also replacing the bloodline curse of being ugly with actually turning into stone during the day (like the Disney gargoyle show). The caveat and also what makes it magical realmy is that the petrification doesn’t apply to clothing. So you’re at risk of a masquerade breach if during the day the statue changes clothing.

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>>98465220
>What’s your idea of a character or concept that might diverge too far into magical realm territory?
Are you lost, anon? WoD was always horny, it's how it got popular in the first place.

>Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them! I don’t give a fuck how crazy they are!

>>98465220
>female gargoyle who was made with bits of toreador instead of Nosferatu.
I think there was at least one toreawhore gargoyle.

>The caveat and also what makes it magical realmy is that the petrification doesn’t apply to clothing. So you’re at risk of a masquerade breach if during the day the statue changes clothing.
Not lewd enough.

>>98465220
Isn't the turning into stone thing part of visceratika, one of the Gargoyle's native disciplines? Aside from that, the clan flaw is changed in v20, so you don't have to worry about the ugly thing. Maybe "not including clothes in your stone form" could be a flaw and give you some bonus points?

>>98465220
if you speak french (or you know are willing to use ai to translate i guess) dav20 france by night has toreador gargoyles and infernal garou gargoyles

later are not really related to your concept but a fun fun fact

>>98465273
>infernal garou gargoyles
The French Tremere are really advanced in their studies.

>>98465180
The Ivory Claws seem to be focussed exclusively on purity, in a eugenics-adjacent manner. They have an almost-monarchic belief in it and offspring of suitably Pure individuals are held as inheriting said purity. Quite why this is so important to them, I couldn't find a clear answer in the book. Their Tribe Totem is Silver Wolf, who suffers because its fur is made of its Bane. The Claws devotion to Purity allegedly soothes this pain (but also, the blood of the Forsaken is a nice balm).

My broad outline is that this Leader is here to manage recruitment for the wider tribe. Gather up any Uratha who have not yet changed and bring them over to the Pure side, offer salvation to the Forsaken if any locals will accept it. That's why they're there. The Pure as a whole will hunt out new blood to recruit for their righteous crusade against the Forsaken to bring about a return to Pangea.

My problem is that there's no "why?" that satisfies me. I get the core clash of Forsaken vs Pure, but the Ivory Claws in particular feel like a wet fart. The Predator Kings have that alpha-predator angle, they're the best at what they do and they're all too happy to share that with everyone. The Fire-Touched are religious zealots, most in-touch with the Pure vs Forsaken philosophical divide. They want to "help" their counterparts, it's for the best of everyone. The Ivory Claws? They are pure. Not in a way that's philosophical (ie, Pure), that gets any focus. They just ... want to be pure? They're not religiously cleansing/saving sinners like the Fire Touched, or proving their purity of purpose like the Predator Kings.

Yet their book goes on about "the purest of the Pure", but there's no rationale behind it? There's no eugenics projects, they're not venerated by the other Tribes for being especially Pure, because the other tribes think they're the purest of the Pure, and they have some grounds to make that case.

>>98465285
The Tremere really need to start up exchanges where they trade people to other domains for a few years to keep these kinds of discoveries in circulation, instead of keeping all of them secret and maybe letting Vienna know at best.

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>>98465285
what can i say the original house goratrix coterie was... special

girl is also wearing the blood of her enemies as dress (garou gargoyle in the back)

Malkavian Gargoyle, what does it look like?
>>98465304
Dayum, I guess the Tremere can sell their brand sometimes

>>98465113
Actually, the real Apocalypse is kinfolk emancipation.

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>>98465300
>start up exchanges where they trade people to other domains for a few years
They do that, but not just for a few years. Picture related is from the clanbook.
Playing Tremere who were "traded" this way opens quite a few possibilities.

>>98465304
>goratrix
Truly the best 4th gen.

>>98465295
>My problem is that there's no "why?" that satisfies me. I get the core clash of Forsaken vs Pure, but the Ivory Claws in particular feel like a wet fart.
>They just ... want to be pure? They're not religiously cleansing/saving sinners like the Fire Touched, or proving their purity of purpose like the Predator Kings.
Oh, that's easy to explain.

>"RESPECT MAH AUTORITAH"
>"No."
>"THEN DIE"
Storm Lords are their arch-enemy for a reason.

>>98465346
That's actually really cool.

>>98465368
Yeah, it's weird how rarely people use this mechanism.

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>>98463499
new reaction image

>>98464974
Good, I am happy for you

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>>98464528
So Verbena with medicinal herbs, specifically Spinach as foci? How much life do I need to punch the sun, knit ship chains, alter physics through strength, or remanifest if erased out of existence? I'd think you'd need some matter in there too.
https://youtube.com/shorts/LvYgZu2_G-A
>>98464631
>he needs to sell for the NPCs without making every single fight end with them screaming and running away.
I'd think such a character would need a lot of focus on the buildup of the fear, like the ending scene in Monsters University. You would have to have two types of Contracts/Blessings/Merits - some focused on building up the fear and harvesting glamour from it, and others to cash in that glamour on some gruesome execution/combat powers precisely for when you meet some freako that won't fall for tricks so easily.
>>98464671
Based. I think the perfect example is towards the end of the series when he goes from a made up rumor to avoid confronting our responsibilities and contradictory self-narratives to a full-on memetic reality warper.

>>98465252
I am quite shy -_-

>>98465260
Not lewd enough to be a semi-permanently naked sexy woman who is completely subservient to her Tremere master? Unable to do anything during the day, even more than the average kindred? I was also considering picking up Weak-Will and Bound as a flaw.

I thought that that one master could have made a plethora of beautiful servants like that. One of the ladies (possibly my character) could also have been punished for disloyalty or for failing a mission. Her punishment is to receive the Molly Malone statue treatment during the day. Except that because of the clan curse she can’t cover herself with clothes, and more than just her breasts gets fondled.

>>98465265
True but I think it’s lame as a power instead of a curse. Unless you grant massive advantages compared to the protean power of just digging.

>>98465273
Je parle assez bien français. Je vais y jeter un œil pour voir si c’est intéressant.

>>98465454
>Not lewd enough to be a semi-permanently naked sexy woman who is completely subservient to her Tremere master?
That's just the average woman in WoD.

>>98465452
In Awakening he'd fit perfectly as an Abyssal Intruder, possibly a Gulmoth. Not sure what the Ascension analogue of that would be.

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>>98464654
>Im sorry for your loss.
Thanks. I miss being able to just shoot the shit with him and talk about ideas for games. But, life goes on, ya know?

>>98464812
>Ill leave it up to Bleu to make the final ruling. At least it wasnt a botch.
Don't worry, mon cher. I'll take good care of you.

Sorry, I would let you pass, but it's a rank 2 sin to fail to take advantage of another's weakness.

>>98464974
I hope you get a game in Sharky! I'm eager to read where things go! And I can't wait to see what sort of insanity your group gets up to in Egypt.

>>98465454
>Unless you grant massive advantages compared to the protean power of just digging.
It grants the incredible benefits of +1 on the difficulty check to spot the vampire if you know they're hiding there and triple soak dice if you try to hit them while they're hiding.

>>98465346
the blood sorcery books also go a bit more into the pros and cons because the system sounds solid they are a few downsides that could be used to spice up a character and justify some social flaws: traded tremere can also be seen as a security risk if two chantries don't have a positive relationship and the new neonates loyality might be split between his new chantry and his sire, regents can get pissed if they feel like they got the worse apprentice (talent, generation, uniqueness etc) and in some towns princes might not let the new apprentice stay without the tremere giving him a boon

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>>98465047
>Bone Gnawers would still eat it though(Either way, it's cheap meat).
>mfw I'm a Bone Gnawers with 1 (One) dot of Resources

>>98465603
>1 dot of resources
FUCKING MONEYBAGS OVER HERE. SHARE SOME WITH THE TRIBE YA CUNT

>>98465603
Filthy job haver, I bet you love giving money to the state, I bet you LOVE tipping, I bet you buy PREMIUM dog food after lifting boxes all day!

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>>98465603
FUCKING TRASHA

>>98465364
I guess the bit I struggle with is that most factions in CofD and WoD have some depth or simpler explanation for their behaviour and beliefs that you can explore with different characters. Ivory Claws feel the most 2D of the Pure in that regard. I can't find a rationale for why Purity is so important to them, and that's their whole thing.

>>98465454
>One of the ladies (possibly my character) could also have been punished for disloyalty or for failing a mission. Her punishment is to receive the Molly Malone statue treatment during the day. Except that because of the clan curse she can’t cover herself with clothes, and more than just her breasts gets fondled.

So your gargoyles gets a reversed tan on their tits, ass and vagina because people rub those places everyday?

>>98465364
>it’s silver fangs vs. shadow lords
>but silver fangs are unambiguously the bad guys

WtF is Grandfather Thunder’s fanfic confirmed

>>98465803
Paradox's biggest crime was forcing these boys to hold down a wagie position

>>98465320
One leads to the other.

>>98465807
Look into historical dynasties and the reasons they put so much stock into marrying with fellow nobility only. Look up the Habsburgs too.

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Can a regular human learn spirit gifts if they appease the spirits enough?

>>98465603
>The dog diddling kind of poors are trying lab-grown meat
I want to say that this is a success for science but I feel like they're defiling our achievement by trying it.

>>98465832
The funniest thing is that I think there's a merit which allows a Bone Gnawer to hold down a job, but it's only a matter of time before he gets fired. It allows your character to have Resources 1, but you have to dedicate your daytime to it...and then fight the Wyrm at night.
Such is the life of a Bone Gnawer who wants to get out of the scruffy life.

>>98465846
A regular human can become a Kami, which is like the good version of a Fomori. It's rare as fuck but it happens.

>>98464974
I hope he can get treatment/feels better soon. I miss your stories.

>>98465532
>no mercy for Bakeslave
As it should be.

I just had a thought. What does fomori blood taste like to a vampire (I would assume it depends on the type of fomor)? Does it have any potent effects like changeling or garou blood?

>>98465846
I think Kinfolk can learn gifts that don't require Rage or Gnosis, but they need a Garou to broker the deal. The Pact was made with Garou, not humanity.
There's Kami, but they're made by Gaia for a specific purpose, and then she unmakes them.

>>98465846
Yes, but without gnosis they're limited in the kind of gifts they can benefit from.

>>98465853
>What does fomori blood taste like to a vampire (I would assume it depends on the type of fomor)?
They're rot and corruption on a fundamental level, so probably like absolute ass. I can only imagine how bad it'd be for a blood sorcerer using A Taste for Blood.

>>98465846
You'd have better luck brokering for power with the fae.

>>98465848
I thought they (poor people in general, I mean) were the target consumers for this project

>>98464993
Lab grown meat is wyvr-wyrm trying to do the job of the Wyld. Kill it

>>98465807
As mentioned previously they're a tribe that stakes their self-worth on being the most fit to lead because of a long list of reasons puntuated with "Fuck You." They believe themselves the inheritors to Father Wolf's right of primacy and are unfathomably butthurt that the Storm Lords seem to be more favored in that respect and refuse to submit to the Ivory Claws (or at least Silver Wolf projects his envy of Winter Wolf onto his children and they follow suit.)They want to RETVRN TO PANGAEA like the other Pure but more to the point they want to put the kingdom back together so they can take Father Wolf's vacant position as top dog and rule above all others. They obsess over keeping their bloodlines pure (as in, no Forsaken or ex-Forsaken allowed) because they fear diluting their blood heritage might threaten their claim to the throne of Pangaea, which is the thing they want most of all. I could go on, but that's the cliff notes version.

>>98465881
No, the innovation that led to the development of lab-grown meat makes it Wylder-aligned. While I can see it being associated with the Weaver, what about it is possibly connected to the Wyrmer?

>>98465874
Yes, we were hoping to help poor people, keeping rabbid animals alive was not the result we were hoping for.

>>98465433
And I’m happy that Mein Kommandant (ST) is at least feeling better than three weeks ago. Or learned to live with the pain better.

>>98465532
Me too! And I hope ST includes Serpent and Yeux Bleu. I wanna see her face when me and my nazi homies steal one of her clan’s deities right from under their nose, after the setites spent centuries waging warfare against their assamites neighbours to get Anubis back.

>>98465853
Same. I spent at least an hour each day those last three weeks just lost in thoughts. Scheming how Shark could get more power in game. Shame that I have to wait until the end of this current arc (which we barely begun/haven’t begun yet) to get my level up! It’s so close and yet so far!

>>98465881
Are you discriminating against wyverns again? Because I will put wolves back on the endangered species list.

>>98465304
I can fix her (she will ruin me)

>>98464993
Wyrmshit.

>>98465918
Wyvr is its most correct term. Its like Toby vs Kunta Kinte

>>98465891
Thanks anon, I guess I just wasn't appreciating it enough.

Are hunters who use Endowments sorcerers?

>>98465946
What do they have to do with the Triat of Wylder, Weaver, Wyrmer?

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>>98465852
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oomoto#Use_of_Esperanto

>>98465621
FUCK YOU PETEY YOU STILL OWE ME HALF A PACK OF NEWPORTS
>>98465639
>I bet you love giving money to the state
Best part about welding in junkyard chop shop jawbs is tax evasion. Cash only, baybeee
>I bet you buy PREMIUM dog food after lifting boxes all day!
Just the other day I had a full Gutbuster WITHOUT it being full of maggots! Maybe the Glass Walkers arent so bad!
>>98465803
>>98465849
God damn that is hilarious, I really should go over the Tribebook one of these days, I'm only making my first character from the Corebook and didn't know you needed a Merit for it.

>>98465991
>New religion spawned from interfaith conversations
>Look inside
>Hermeticism

>>98465894
Because its corruption of nature

>>98465951
No worries. Does that help with figuring out the motivation trickledown? Speaking of which, it should be four questions actually.

>What do they want?
>Why do they want it?
>How are they going about getting it?
>What are the main obstacles to getting it?

Also, I caught this just now but Ivory Claws are the ones that hate the Forsaken the most and offer no quarter with them. Offering "salvation" to the Forsaken is a Fire-Touched thing instead, so either your Ivory Claws BBEG has an unorthodox way to go about his tribe's tenets or he has a Fire-Touched lieutenant who handles the poaching of recruits from the Forsaken. Or it's a line of bullshit and any Forsaken trying to defect get abducted, grilled for intel and killed. Or something worse.

>>98466011
Explain how it corrupts anything to do with the Wylder.

>>98466005
It's in the Mega, and it's actually slightly more powerful than I remember
Page 79 of the Revised Bone Gnawers Tribebook

>>98466011
Garou really would be the sort to get hooked on "all-natural foods zero-GMO no-additives no-pesticides" grifters, huh.

>>98466071
Just fucking WALK into the woods and EAT something you homid fuck

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>>98465894
>Wylder
No such thing exists. Calcify this creature.

>>98466101
Next you'll say that the Wyrmer isn't real either.

>>98466029
Meat is supposed to have a face.

You are at best, eating factory made zombie flesh, & a pile of chemicals that give you cancer at worst. A creature is supposed to run free, its supposed to fight forage & fuck. That slab of cancer cells has ever felt a heart beat, so how could it be alive? There is no spark of the Wyld here, just the static spark of the Wyvr through wyrmflesh

>>98466122
Meat is just a type of biological matter. the Wylder doesn't care about the specifics of life. It's just wild and uncontrolled creation and lab-grown meat is just a case of energy and chemicals being converted into organic matter. It's pure, raw creation, a synthesis of Wylder and Weaver.

>>98466009
many such cases

>>98466139
>Wyld can make bad thing
Noooo! Don't you know only wyvr and wyrm bad thing! Just because it's an act of Creation does mean the Stasis and the Destroyer can't... er... hmmmm.

>>98465971
No

>>98466159
Well, the Wylder is the only one that isn't malicious. It's still naturally incomprehensible, but it's not violently and malevolently insane like the Wyrmer and Weaver are.

>>98466021
I reckon so. My current thinking is that we have our Ivory Claws nepo baby sent to the back-lines to protect a valud investment for the Tribe, a family of humans of good breeding stock. Various bloodlines of Claws have lent their blood to this family through the generations and refining it, and this leader is taking a team there on a protection detail. They've travelled through Predator Kings territory to get there, and have set themselves up as security around the family. There might be an imminent First Change, I may save that as a wild-card during an encounter if the PCs try to take out the Claws most important asset. The Pack leader takes their charge very seriously, it's not just about their reputation, but the investment of the wider Tribe into this family.

The Claws Pack were happy with the security detail when they were given it, six months ago. Now they're getting bored. Some of the lower members of the group are starting to fuck about a bit. They're hunting, causing trouble in the local area while the senior members are consolidating their power in the nearby towns, putting wolf-blooded in authority positions etc. The fresher werewolves are a thread the PCs can pull on to unravel the whole pack. I figure the Claws would argue and have internal tensions between losing liabilities that invite weakness, and cutting loose their own packmates.

The PCs will begin the campaign imprisoned, having been captured by the Claws and offered as a gift to the regionally - neighbouring Predator Kings pack as part of their safe passage, and to keep them sweet. The PCs will be able to escape as they're only being locked down in an old scrapyard by a few Wolf-blooded, something to give the PCs a bit of a taste of power and get the ball rolling on antagonist motivations etc. They may even invite the wrath of the Claws for the Wolf-blooded they kill in their escape, in-turn inviting the wrath of the Kings nearby who were promised tribute.

>>98466177
Well, that doesn't exactly prevent it from causing potentially civ-ending disasters.

>>98466191
But not out of a hateful desire to end everything or to freeze all of existence forever. The Wylder just does things because it does.

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Princessanon checking in. We had to skip last weekend's session because I lacked my tism meds and was going through intense withdrawal (was stuck in bed for 2 and a half days until i got em).

Anyway, did a minisession with a couple players last night and things got VERY interesting.

>Hidari and Hana speak outside
>Hidari says "I wish you would understand"
>Hidari uses vigor to knock Hana out with a single gut punch.
>It works, but Eve takes control and begins running like hell towards a nearby church.
>Hidari gives chase, keeps up.
>Eve taking control of Hana gives glowing red eyes, and there were some Society of Leopold guys at that church.
>See 5 year old with glowing red eyes using fucking celerity (Sadhana gaming)
>SoL nigger reasonably assumes vampire
>Eve and Hidari kill the guy
>Meanwhile, Aiko has been in route the entire time
>Eve agrees to hear Hidari out, but decides to let Hana take control again first
>Still has full bashing plus 1 lethal, so giving Hana control just knocks her out
>When Aiko arrives, she sees Hidari merging with Hana
>About to freak out, but Hidari explains
>She doesn't want to exist as a mere copy of someone else
>Sacrifices herself to repair the damage Dracula Flow did to Hana, restoring her mundane form's mental capabilities
>Also undoes Airi's Kiss of Lachesis
>Cut to morning, Hana wakes up in bed
>Aiko shares the good news with her
>Hana immediately announces she must leave
>Aiko is in tears, asking to come with her
>Hana says no, won't even explain that it's to fufil the mission given to her by not!Madokami
>The last two weeks with Hana were the best of Aiko's life, and this breaks her
>Hana sedates her and leaves, but not before the hearbreak strips Aiko of the light.
>Cut to that night

>>98466177
"Malicious" also depends on who you are when the Wyvr is concerned. If you're a normal human or a technocrat, the the Wyvr fucking Loves you. Human are here special little pets that spread her threads without her needing to even ask.
If your a supernatural however...
Similarly, "Malevolence" might not be the right word for the Wyld, but it's still uncaring and cruel like a lovecraftian god. It won't take away your freedoms, but it will load you down with horrible, dibilitating mutations and unleash horrifying abominations across the world for no decernable reason. It's an uncaring god of chaos and change.

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>>98465220
Slutty Gargoyles have been a thing since ye olden times tho

>>98466209
Cruel implies intentionality which the Wylder lacks, unlike the Weaver and the Wyrmer.

>>98466201
cont.

>Mari, girl from the Society of Leopold
>Sanae embraced her a few nights prior
>Katarzyna, the toreador gunsmith we all buy from, has been grooming her as insurance in case Sanae gets ideas
>Send her to deal with the Society of Leopold guys that were sent to clean up her mistake
>She arrives, immediately sees that someone is already fighting SoLniggers
>It's Aiko, she's doing a suicide rush
>Is very confrontational, insistent she won't leave
>Claims she "needs whatever power she can find"
>Mari joins in
>Hibiki gets off work and comes home during this, finds a note Aiko left
>Rushes to help
>The three of them take out the three hunters
>Call up Kanoe, one of Sanae's little sisters for some help
>She's a sorcerer, is able to set the church on fire
>5 more SoLniggers rush out to fight
>Katarzyna sent Elizabeth to take a walk around this time, luckly
>one of the vets gets wrapped with vines by Elizabeth
>Vines enter his orifices before turning to molten steel
>Another of the veterans has his revolver explode in his hand from dogshit rolls
>Later on, one of the novices has his 12 gauge turn into a fucking IED because he rolled almost exclusively 1s
>Another veteran shot Elizabeth's arm off for that molten steel trick, he was so happy
>Then she picked it up and popped it back in
>Look of horror from SoL vet as he realizes shooting the arm off a mannikin with a ball-jointed body does fuck all if you don't destroy the limb or the joints
>More fighting as the church burns, this is kinda boring so skimming over it
>However, one of the veterans goes down in the most retarded manner possible
>Elizabeth forces vines down his throat, leaves a mass of plant material in his stomach
>Turns it into a drooling feral hog
>He explodes as the hogger escapes
>it rams the single remaining SoL hunter as it runs away
>Hogger also has a nametag
>Quandell Dingle
>After this, Aiko demands the embrace
>"Think for 3 days, you aren't thinking clearly.."
>Aiko storms off in anger

>>98466106
F*ra cope, as the great designer predicted 6 gorillion years ago

>>98466244
>Cruel implies intentionality
No it doesn't, it implies severity of harm. People saying "This cruel world" aren't saying the world is a sapient entity, they're saying it will hurt you.

>>98466277
No, most dictionaries will say that cruelty requires intentionality, which the Wylder lacks. The Weaver and Wyrmer are cruel, but the Wylder is not.

>>98466291
Did you actually look up a dictionary before making this post? Because I can't find any source that exclusively defines cruelty by intent.

>>98465220
>too far into magical realm territory?
>In WORLD OF DARKNESS
Anon, we're in a magical realm. There's nothing you can do to top what's already there.

>>98466311
Which dictionaries are you looking at, which do not mention disposition or intention when describing cruelty? The Wylder does not have either.

>>98466139
Innovation is not the Wyld's domain alone. Technology is strictly Wyvr, even taking a chisel to stone to create a masterpiece is an act of wyrmish destruction. You're just some slackjawed technocrat poster who has been pissing off fairies too long & cant understand the difference between Wyld & Glamour.

>>98466159
>>98466177
>>98466196
>>98466209
Wyld can be vicious, if not malicious. Every bloodsoaked birth, & life itself demands you become red in tooth & claw. It is the savage Wyld after all.

Fake meat is artificial. Its a mockery. Like astrotucrf. Fake meat was never born, it is a stagnant perpetuation of something that was. Fake meat is also cancer. Literal cancer. Thats what makes it Wyvr-Wyrm

>>98466321
Some of them mention it, but only for a single definition, and all of them provide other definitions that do not require intent. Notably, Merriam-Webster does not require intentionality at all and all of its definitions are able to be satisfied without an intelligent actor.

>>98465220
She should be forced via Dominate to pleasure herself to just before climax fight as the sun turns her to stone. De ied orgasm for an entire day sleep, just to cum as she breaks free of her stone prison at night.

Now, THAT is putting your fetishes in a game. Naked women arent a fetish. Thats just eroticism. Dont conflate the two it makes the degenerates think their normal

>>98466330
>Fake meat is also cancer. Literal cancer.
So it's Wyld then? Cancer is a random mutation that makes cells more fertile and able to quickly change themselves to adapt to the hosts defenses. It's by definition one of the most Wyld things that can exist, because it's creation and change given form.

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BEHOLD! A child of the Wyld!

>>98466347
>disposed to inflict pain or suffering
And what is disposition?
>the tendency to act or think in a certain manner under given circumstances
The Wylder does not have the tendency to act or think in a manner that inflicts pain or suffer.
This is going by Merriam-Webster.

>>98466225
Just think of how much trouble could have been avoided if vampires just treated their blood slaves nicely.

Stasis, Dynamism and Entropy (Mage Triat) are way better than Wyld, Weaver and Wyrm. Sorry that you're retarded and can't conceptualize well, wolfies.

>>98466352
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrw1VMRNFUg
The hubris of Pentex knows no bounds.

>>98466369
Can you explain why Stasis, Dynamism and Entropy are preferable to Wylder, Wyrmer and Weaver?

>>98466369
[incoherent wolvish screeching immediately preceding extreme violence]

>>98466361
Now you're compounding your errors.

Firstly, your quote uses "disposed," so you should reference "dipose" instead of "disposition."
>to give a tendency to : incline
Note that not only does it not refer to explicit thought or action, but the sample text refers to a diet, which is a kind of habit and not something intrinsically capable of thought or action.

Secondly, you are overlooking the other definitions on the same page as though only the one that you believed agreed with you was valid.
>causing or conducive to injury, grief, or pain
>unrelieved by leniency
Unless you mean to argue that WLDR is given to leniency or else causes no harm or suffering.

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Can you take multiple instances of the Device background or it capped out at 5?
I'm considering making a guy larping as iron man but I'm not sure if that works by raw.

>>98466351
No you dense motherfucker. Thats the Triatic Wyrm's corruption

>>98466369
Dont forget Gaia (Primordial) you mage bros dont even know all your resonances but its okay

>>98466225
Yeah but they’ve been more treated as the exception instead of the rule. I only know of like one or two other who are non PC

>>98466350
While it’s not mine, petrification is a fetish. Go on /d/ there’s a permanent thread there. Though I do fancy the idea of some of the gargoyles turning into fountains, with water flowing out of their tits and crotch.

>>98466361
Yes it does. Birth is one of the most painful & bloodiest things in our world. Stop being retarded, read the fucking books

>>98466415
You didn't even cover Questing.

>>98466418
Didn't know petrification was a fetish, I thought you were just focusing on her nudity. Either way, I could see the fountain thing being a Gargoyle Ritual placed on them

>>98466415
There is four avatar essences and three aspects of the Metaphysic trinity. The four essences are Dynamic, Pattern, Primordial and Questing. Equaling to Wyld, Weaver, Wyrm and an equal balance of the three. The mage metaphysic trinity is different and consist of Dynamism, Statis and Entropy.

Gaia is not an aspect of the trinity, the best case you can make is questing avatars. Which would reduce "Gaia" to an emergent quality.

>>98466425
You know what? Egg on my face Primordial is Entropic, Dynamic is Dynamic, Pattern is Stasis, & Questing is Gaia

>>98466436
>Which would reduce "Gaia" to an emergent quality.
Which implies that the Triat came first, when it comes to the chicken and the egg question of the Triat and Gaia.

>>98466426
Oh I was focusing on the nudity. Like I said I am pretty shy, so anything involving me bringing eroticism into a game is magical realmy on my part. Especially since I have to specify that they always end up naked… I don’t judge other people though. Even better, if they start then I can maybe get the courage to expose my stuff.

>>98466436
Pretty sure Gaia is Ennoia, actually.

>>98466451
Yes Gaia is under the Triat & a blend of them, otherwise she would have been able to keep the Wyvr in check.

>>98466458
>Expose your stuff
Whip it out, we're all friends here.

Maybe have it to where the Stoneskin is a reflexive thing & having clothes on delays it where her skin is covered, making it painful when the sun is coming up because its not turning to stone immediately

>>98466471
Blame the Wylder and Wyrmer for being too retarded to do that.

>>98466461
Only in one specific ToJ scenario.

>>98466461
ToJ should be considered in the same realm as headcannon.

>>98466352
Looks cute and milkable
>>98466351
I'm kind of interested to know if eating meat made from cancer cells will work like eating cow brains or prion infected meat or human meat

>>98466418
>>98466426
>spoiler
Both horrifying and hilarious. I first discovered petrification being a fetish when I read either one of the victim girl volumes or a similar sort of hentai about some girl getting fucked by a Gargoyle and then getting stoned with him. Yeah, it's not exactly the romantic type of book but when you're a horny teen with access to the internet you get off to whatever

>>98466519
Highly unlikely, but not totally impossible, as some very specific types of cancer have shown unusual degrees of being transmissible. Consequently, you're not allowed to sell meat from animals that have cancer.

>>98466523
Is that the one made by the Emergence author? Like some kind of monster hunter that ends up preggo with the gargoyle’s spawn?

>>98466523
Are you a biological woman? I only ask because that type of fetish is usually only enjoyed by women. Otherwise youre kind of an odd duck (no judgement though)

So the Bastet have a fetish that can guarantee a Bastet birth, and the Anansi are actually half-insect, but the Ratkin are explicitly the most populous Fera somehow, despite refusing to interact with human society (they believe, despite being rats, they are not only equal to but superior to humans) and actively stealing territory from other Fera whenever they find it (they believe, despite being rats, they are not only equal to but superior to other shapeshifters) with the express intention of conquering the world. Somehow you can get worse than the Garou. Still in the shapeshifter family tree though.

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>>98466426
>Didn't know petrification was a fetish,
you're too pure, you should leave this place while you still can

spoiler: death by petrification
Anyone reads Japanese?

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>>98466533
Give me a moment, I think I can sauce this.
There's a doujin series called Bestiary (Monster Daihyakka), 3 volumes of it, each is collection of short stories by various doujin authors about some monster(s) and their victim(s).
The Gargoyle story from 2nd volume, and it is indeed by ShindoL ("the Emergence author") though I'd prefer if you didn't stereotype him just by his most (in)famous work that got overhyped out of proportions by FAKKU, the author's true scope is much broader.

Luckily Mangadex does have that chapter, but little else from Volume 2, however Volume 3 is there pretty much in full if you're curious. Word of warning, it does get pretty nasty at times. Most of the times.
https://mangadex.org/chapter/7c955a2d-6d56-4865-8809-fbdf5fab1ce6/1

Which Fera do you think is missing?

>>98466369
>Made-up bullshit (forma de mage) vs made-up bullshit (forma de dog)
Feels good knowing The Truth.

>>98466533
>>98466636
>>98466561
Yes anons exactly that one, it's that one specifically. Quite a weird one, and a weird series, but honestly it's good quality art. The subject matter though? It is one of those niche erotic products. Not a woman, just read it on a hentai binge

>>98466180
Looks good. If you still want to include the "offer salvation to the Forsaken" you could add a Fire-Touched character who acts as an ambassador between the local Ivory Claws and Predator Kings. Taking him out would be key to D&C the Pure, I'd wager. Just spitballing here, but anyway, got anything else that needs ironing out?

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This is the average Princess: the Hopeful chronicle.

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>>98466843
QoH, my beloved!

>>98466843
Isn't that just changeling? Just Subsitute imagination in for love

>>98466843
>>98466856
what on Earth is this?

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>>98466901
Korean SCP.

>>98466843
What if I’m full of Undertale love?

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>>98466917
this my Undertale

>>98466005
It's not my fault we haven't had newports in ages, the hobo we traded with for them got arrested and I'm not going to break his ass out of jail.

>>98466893
I'd say Princess is more like Dreaming is than Lost is.

>>98463049
One thing i think Beast did well was Lairs and the Atavism system. It'd be hard to give that to other splats. Besides, CtL is already bloated as shit with it's various subsystems and only Mage has anything to do with the Astral.

>>98463087
Same. If I were in charge, I'd turn them into a sort of psychic stalking horse. By interacting with monsters, they connect them to the Astral, letting people subconsciously avoid them. Heroes interprete these as prophets. Beasts also prevent other monsters from being too predatory because because they're born from humanity and it would hurt their food supply, occasionally working with Heroes to maintain the population. Any Beasts that stop carrying about the good of the community get put down like a rabid dog by the Hero using supernatural power and the backing of an angry mob. I'd also have it so Beasts worked as an Astral immune system. Eventually it got so big it didn't need defending from the Anima Mundi anymore and the Heroes went crazy.

>>98463419
>>98463424
Not exactly. Mcfarland didn't manage the team of amateur freelancers, and they didn't communicate with each other. He didn't even pitch the idea. His main contribution was the rewrite.

>>98462775
sauce for OP image? Reverse search yields nothing

I forget, what's the go-to princess edition? Crystal?
Also any recommendations on starting chronicles for it?

Where should I start if I want to get into Hunter?

>>98467136
You mean reading up the lore or actually playing?
H5 is... not great, not terrible.

>>98467136
Get Vigil 2 if you want good rules or Reckoning 1 if you want to play the schizos.

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>>98467006
*sigh* Here is 20 dollars, woof. Go buy a pack of newports. But keep this between us, please?

>>98467118
Cult of Ecstasy Revised page 45

>>98467150
>You mean reading up the lore or actually playing?
Running unless you have any recommendations for lore. I want to use it as a gateway into WW games for my friends.

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>>98467154
>Live Dog Reaction

>>98467136
Vigil is the best pound for pound game. It's versatile, setting agnostic, and has solid mechanics. I'm of the personal opinion that while CofD is far from perfect, it's still leagues better mechanically than oWoD Its versatility is such that it can run pretty much whatever you want.

If you're absolutely, positively married to oWoD, Hunters Hunted V20 or Reckoning, depending on if you prefer normal Hunters or the Imbued. Avoid H5 at all costs.

>>98467164
HtV is probably your best choice, but you'll run into the issue that lore of various splats across various versions is all over the place. Try to instil this in your players, World of Darkness is full or rumours, half-truths and exceptions that defy the rules, so what you know, or think you know can never be taken for granted. Certain degree of paranoia is always justified, and often straight up necessary.

>>98467154
Thank you very much, kind anon

>>98467136
This>>98467153

>>98467154
>>98467165
I am unsure how to feel about this, but my pack will be happy to have more newports to trade in the hobo economy and occasionally consume. Thank you, mystery person. Surely this was done with no ulterior motives

>>98467169
I only have two complaints about Vigil 2e. The first is there clash mechanics. Highest Resistance
Attribute + Occult is cracked. That's better than any of the monster splats that I'm aware of. The other is last I checked, it seemed like VASCU got a lot more likely to murder non-Slashers compared to 1e. It's been a few years though, so I might be wrong on that second one.

>>98467169
I have vague memories of CofD making mortals too crunchy for my taste. They should be fragile. I haven't gone back to check, though, because I don't really have an interest in switching.

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>>98467136
If you just want to run a simple street level game H5 is actually fine.

>>98462775
>>98467154
I'm having trouble finding a downloadable uncensored version. Do you have the original file?

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What is it with woofs and smoking?

>>98467224
They don’t get cancer. I think anyway.

>>98467224
Fits with the weird ass rockerboy aesthetics they use

Was Bakeslave alive in the 1930s?
And if yes did they visit Egypt?
Asking for a hungry sea dwelling friend with lotsa teeth

>>98467313
Probably not, Bakeslave is a recent fomor so it's unlikely he was around. Maybe one of bakeslave's future punishments will be getting sent into the past by some angry "sciencers" after he failed mission critical objectives (timely threads) one too many times

>>98467224
"Renegade" Garou. Wearing sunglasses that suspiciously look like Tremere glasses...

>>98467379
Gangrel ally though

>>98467384
According to the Gangrel clanbook, several tribes are allies of the Gangrel. A full nine, including the Black Spiral Dancers. Both the Bone Gnawers and BSD also allegedly frequently make packs with Sabbat.

Decided it was time to read Masters of the Art
>archmages can't even use coincidental rote spells to nudge traffic along without a sizable chance of getting everyone in 16 block radius sent to a Paradox realm
>regular magic from your horizon realm being free of paradox is also patched out for archmages
>using archspheres is always vulgar with witnesses
>no paying your way out with Quintessence either
>if you do YOLO it there's a good chance every other archmage is gonna rush to undo it because nobody wants to deal with the gigabuffed Paradox backlash
>you will likely go insane from realising that you fucked yourself by cutting yourself off from Ascension forever
>even if you don't the universe is gonna start NPCifying you to fit you into a cosmic role
>making sure your Avatar will never ever let you be an archmage is a three point merit because of how blatant a cosmic trap it is
Am I right to assume that the only thing ever brought up about archmages is all the potential big dick moves they have in their back pocket and not any of these?

>>98467435
What do Archmages even do out in the Umbra? What are the chances of running into one?

>>98467435
>>archmages can't even use coincidental rote spells to nudge traffic along without a sizable chance of getting everyone in 16 block radius sent to a Paradox realm
what? Why? It's still entropy 2 or something, they don't have to cast at the top of their sphere game.
>Am I right to assume that the only thing ever brought up about archmages is all the potential big dick moves they have in their back pocket and not any of these?
what does this mean? People don't usually talk about the mechanics of archmasters because it's just plot NPCs. Nobody ever plays with archspheres. And thus what they do is basically in the realm of what other archmasters are stated to do. Furthermore It's an old supplement that explicitly doesn't exist anymore because everything that used to be archspheres is now just sphere 5+ successes. Either way, the systems don't function how you think they do as apparently Voormas and Ol' Asswipe are pretty big deals and not the useless cucks you seem to want to typecast them as.

>>98467467
>what? Why? It's still entropy 2 or something, they don't have to cast at the top of their sphere game.
Rules get stricter once you've gotten into the archspheres I guess, like how IIRC you can't do regular sorcery anymore without eating Paradox if you awaken.

>>98467435
Archmages are supposed to represent the wretched extreme of mages who have given up everything else in the pursuit of magical power. The cost of being so magically powerful is that they can no longer interact with material reality any more without significantly damaging it. It's meant to be a miserable and undesirable existence and like you say, a cosmic trap. They might approach methuselah, if not Antediluvian levels of power, but it's a question of whether all of these additional costs make it worth it. The answer is an obvious and resounding 'no,' but it's not like anyone tells archmages figure out all of the consequences until it's too late.
>>98467444
Forge their own private horizon realms where they are free to research whatever they want without being bothered by anyone. You're only likely to run into one if you intentionally force your way into a weird realm far off of the beaten path and then they will respond by zapping you into non-existence for daring to bother them.

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>>98467208
>Surely this was done with no ulterior motives
Surely for one night we can relax without worry of ulterior motives and forces beyond our comprehension... ...I've looked into his eyes, y'know... *glances down* So full of pain and confusion... *tearing up* I just hope that... That when The Apocalypse comes, it isn't the end of all things... There can be Balance once more... R-right?

>>98467313
Bakeslave is a zoomer. I imagine early to mid 20s. I made him on the younger side (fuck, Im getting old) to give him more of a youthful naivete.

>>98467526
>Archmages are supposed to represent the wretched extreme of mages who have given up everything else in the pursuit of magical power. The cost of being so magically powerful is that they can no longer interact with material reality any more without significantly damaging it. It's meant to be a miserable and undesirable existence and like you say, a cosmic trap. They might approach methuselah, if not Antediluvian levels of power, but it's a question of whether all of these additional costs make it worth it. The answer is an obvious and resounding 'no,' but it's not like anyone tells archmages figure out all of the consequences until it's too late.
I just wasn't expecting them to be quite as blunt about it, no wonder the M20 book offhandedly referred to it as a trap. I also appreciate them including the option to double down on it in the form of Exemplars if you just want to become completely incomprehensible and/or a spirit with a new day job.

>>98467557
M20 also says not to touch archmastery Spheres with a bargepole, since any single one of them is capable of shenanigans that an entire chronicle could revolve around.
>Suddenly, everyone who walks through this particular door Awakens, no matter who they are.
>Suddenly, no one in the city moves on from their bodies when they die, they just continue their lives as zombies instead.
>Suddenly, the entire downtown area has vanished and been replaced by a crater and no one knows why.
The answer to each scenario could easily be "an archmage did it" and they might not have even done it intentionally, it could just be some backlash caused by a spell of theirs.

>>98467557
Yeah, it's kind of a thing everybody ignores in my experience.
the supposed ideal of all mages is ascension and enlightenment, but nobody actuallys plays mage for that or cares about it. People want to fireball and fuck with reality, not become gurus. It's like making VtM about golconda, in truth like 5% of all PCs give a fuck. 95% want to be vampires and do vampire stuff.
They really shot themselves in the food by making it a namesake, now they can't just drop the subtheme. Awakening (e.g. making your paradigm true and everybody awakened) is a far better tagline for how people want to actually play the game.