Titanicus edition.Previous thread: >>98448827>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/1accdP>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>TQ: Why aren't you converting veterans and centurions RIGHT NOW?!
>>98469358>>TQ: Why aren't you converting veterans and centurions RIGHT NOW?!But I am. Working on another 20 veterans with disintegrator rifles, and also got 10 with combi-volkites and 10 with combi-meltas lined up next. After that it's time to see if I have enough power swords to make 10 veteran despoilers.
liber antiquia when?
>TQbut I literally am!
>>98469549why do your XXth have bats on their shoulders
>>98469608it's what happens when your color blindness gets worse, you also forget to write paint recipes and also haven't painted night lords in a year
Having a complete STL for an Imperator and Warmonger titan makes me feel better about dropping a hefty wad on a 3D printer.I truly don't understand why there so many "modern interpretations" of old epic minis made to look more like a modern mini. Why would you want that over the actual classic mini?
>>98469742Because lots of classic minis don't jive with later designs. Because lots of classic minis don't look as good scaled up.
>>98469742Because the classic design sucked
>>98469742old designs just look weird next to more modern modelsI picked up an old 2e whirlwind a few years ago, realized this and have left it to rot in my backlog
>>98469358>Why aren't you converting veterans and centurions RIGHT NOW?!Because I just ordered the parts, and theyll be here in like 2/3 weeks.
>>98469358>TQ: Why aren't you converting veterans and centurions RIGHT NOW?!because my hands shake like shit and i can't greenstuff with that
>>98469742Any chance of sharing those STLs, fren?
>TQ: Why aren't you converting veterans and centurions RIGHT NOW?!Because I just found out 7oh just got banned, and as someone whose been taking like 200+mgs of it daily for like the last year, im not looking forward to what comes next.....
>>98469358>TQBecause I'm working on my Mordheim warband.
Is a 3k RG list with a saturnine, a contemptor (double fist), 10 seekers and a battle cannon Kratos too powerful for a friendly list? The rest is a pred, some tacs in rhinos, an outflanking land raider with five catas, mor deythan, forge lord, delegatus, and a squad of thallax. The main thing I could see being a problem is the seekers and the dual inversion beam satty but I also feel like a normal list should be capable of handling it.
>World Eaters, Emperor's Children and the Thousand Sons were all varying levels of corrupted>Death Guard only got nabbed by Nurgle right as they were traveling to Terra, so you can't have anything Chaotic about them prior to thisWhy are they the odd one out?
>>98470196Because Morty HATES magic and would NEVER use, duh.
>>98470271it is very karmic that all chaos primarchs became what they hated
>>98470196Because their kind of corruption would look a bit out of place next to the others. Not that Morty didn't already smell like shit mind you.
>>98469949>customized numark>armor mixed>kitbashed combiThis shit cures depression
primarchs should never ever have been written from their POV, they should all be alien warlords whose goals are beyond us. BL is shit
>>98470196Battle of Molech shows them using daemonic shit before their flight to Terra. Plus you could just argue it's Typhus secret acolytes or some shit.Remember: we have female Custodes who have ALWAYS been here now. They don't respect the setting and fuck it over to suit their needs, you are free to do it as well.
>>98470271>and would NEVER use, duh
>>98470303True. I wonder if it's because power fantasy self-insert fiction sells. Maybe self-insert isn't the right word, like tribal or orbiting?HH BLslop fans seem soccer-adjacent in their relation to their interest, if you get my ramblings.
>>98470312>Remember: we have female Custodes who have ALWAYS been here now.custodes have always been the special pet project of the emperor; them also being females showcase how special they are in the story>They don't respect the setting and fuck it over to suit their needsthat's true; but people getting mad at muh wymenz custodes show they are retards too
>>98470330power fantasy sells period. why do you think isekai sells
>>98470339 Where female primarchs then??? Are Malcador and Erda bigots?
So that FAQ thing didn't happen, huh?
>>98470355agreed; primarchs should be unisex and clearly described as not even remotely close to humansbut BL is retarded and writing good stuff demand vision that a rag-tag band of authors will never have
>>98470349Because people love european fantasy and aventure, of course. The PoV of a young man is great to win readers of all ages, as they are either young or used to be at one point.
>>98470339my take is that primarchs are not his pet project; they are his most important one and he can't take chances with them being female or sirens or whatnot. they are the apex of what emps can produce but for bullshit macguffin they can't be women (BL never expand on that, idiots) because the emperor cannot make any women out of it.BL are idiotsBL are humans; thus idiots
no one who ever worked at BL or GW believed in making a great work; they all believe in the next paycheck; delivered by us
I'm a genius!
>>98470451>delivered by us>usNo
>>98470451>/hhg/ >known BL/GW customersIf either of them relied on us for a paycheck then they are fucked.
picked this ligma stuff up a year ago and kinda want to paint em up finallydebating on if I wanna strip them or not
>>98470297Does this one do anything for you anon?
>>98470602Or this one.
Thoughts on a basic tactical veteran unit with bolters and heavy bolters as the special weapons options?
>>98470639Basically: im trying to figure out a way to make heavy bolters work, because theyre pretty cool. Probably more within the context of ZM.
>>98470644DESU a great HB platform is the Box naught with 2 gravis bolters, everyone over looks them but like honestly, pretty damn great.
>>98470602That's a big axe.
>>98470060I would like to send you the STLs fren but they are STLs that are being sold on STL sharing sites. Even if the guy who made the files can't really claim ownership he did make a completely accurate model of an Imperator with all the trimmings in a sea of dodgy renditions. His presumably Eastern European Astolfo dressing ass deserves the remuneration of the £2.50 I spent total for the Imperator, the Warmonger upgrade sprue and the special Codex Titanicus spinny base that shows your void shield level.I'll send you a link to the guy's stuff when I get home.>>98469813RUDE
>>98470745Tell traitors to stop having such thick necks.
2 to go!
>>98470810What' is the pewter scoped bolter from?
>>98470810>backpack isn't half-MkIV as wellClose, but no cigar.
so the prime advantages you should use on him is what>combat vets>logistical benefit>true believers>suspensor websright? are suspensor webs in the tallarn journal even able to be put on infantry?
>>98470856A games day model, the sergeant with the raised power fist.
>>98470868>are suspensor webs in the tallarn journal even able to be put on infantry?No, vehicles only. You don't actually use the prime slot for Exodus, but for some other elites that benefit from having a master sergeant instead.
What legions make the most sense fighting alongside psy titans?Trying to figure out my main force for LI but only found Blood Angels from their time killing Eldar and Space Wolves obviously on Prospero. I think the BA scheme is ultimately boring to paint and a grey army for SW also sounds dull.
>>98471056None really. Legio Sinister has deployed their titans extremely rarely, and only on the direct orders of the Emperor himself. Psy-titans did fight during the Siege of Terra, so maybe IF or WS?
>>98471056blslop lays out a psy titan deployment in the mercury exultant area in the face of a ruinous mortis incursion, during the siegeBA/IF/WS were the big three all throughout the palace's defense
>>98470639>>98470644If you want heavy bolters to work, just take a HSS with ten of them. They can now walk and still fire 30 shots, or stand still and fire 40. Even elite infantry will start dying to such an amount of shots. Having played heavy bolters in all three editions, I can say they have always worked. Always did a very appropriate amount of damage for the post cost. The problem in older editions was that nobody in their right mind would waste a precious heavy support slot on a cheap infantry killer, when you needed to fill those slots with shit that could deal with heavy tanks, dreadnoughts, terminators, automata, etc.
>>98471070>>98471083Guess I'll be entering a very Mongolian era of my life.
>>98471099Congratulations. There's a criminal lack of WS players.
>>98471098The issue is that heavy bolter rapiers will cost the same, fire the same or more shots, and be suppressive, and tankier vs small arms.
>>98471010I suppose so, lernaen termie sgt with master sergeant gets WS6 and 5 attacks, shits insane
>>98471115They are more vulnerable to heavier weapons though, now that you are forced to allocated wounds from ranged attacks onto the rapiers first. Losing a HSS marine to something like an autocannon is not that much of an issue, but losing a rapier on the other hand...
>>98471056Dark Angels
>>98471123Lernaean might be the absolute best terminators of this edition.
>>98471146true, but on the 40ppm gravis rapiers I dont know if its as relevant. HSS are what, 20ppm? And its not like HSS take those weapons "well" either, theyre twice as durable vs lascannons, missiles and autocannons, but at the end of the day they still die quite well to them. And theyre a lot more vulnerable to normal weapons too, something like 3x the wounds from bolters.
>>98470060https://pastebin.com/jyed6AVKI'm an anon of of my word for what its worth.
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>>98471610That's worth a lot this day and age. Staying true to your word is an increasingly rare practice.
>>98471673Neat. Makes me want to start building that combi-volkite veteran squad, even though the other 30 veterans should probably get painted first...
Good day anons,I'm setting up a narrative campaign themed around a Traitor R&D complex the loyalists must fight to and eventually breach and destroy. So far I've come up with the order for the missions and some of the theming for them (some of them being ZM for example, or my giant fortress wall print being along the center of the board for the wall breach mission, or some bullshit involving my warlord titan) but I'd like some advice on what effects I could have carry over between games/as a consequence of games.I want to add the picrel SoC character survival table for all HQ and Sgt models (everyone will have a name) and I've also been thinking it would be cool from a narrative standpoint to have casualty replacement come from the ranks underneath (i.e. seekers take replacements from tacs who take replacements from inductii etc.)I'd love to hear your thoughts/advice on what to do. I want to avoid 40k crusadifying this, so I don't want the stupid XP system and bonuses and whatnot .Heres the order, with the campaign starting at 0 and then moving back and forth as teams win and lose:+5 -> The Core+4 -> the Labyrinth +3 -> the Testing Grounds+2 -> the Wall+1 -> Industrial sector0 -> Hab zone-1 -> Agri zone-2 -> the Fields of Mars-3 -> Command Post-4 -> Space port -5 -> the bowels of the ship
>>98471673sugoi, i love the texture of their kits!this is my next mk.iv bombsuit kraken bolter dude....
>>98470810next time you should "novamarine" the mixed armor
>>98471781I feel like you'd wind up just playing the same three missions over and over
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jifjejvrdEcThoughts on the scale confusion?
>someone donated a box with AOBR, plastic mk4s, and a shitload of bits to the LGS>I work at the LGS and we're trying to clean up and de-clutterOne dooder is even a gray-armored WB
>>98472587aobr?
>>98470745For you.
>>98472490GW+FW are incapable of maintaining a scale. They always succumb to bigger sells.After the primaris relase i though that they would bring an order to chaos. It was promising, we got proportionaly very good CSM and a little bigger primaris. Then we got supermodel proportion SoB and IG with scales all over.
>>98472490>>98472623Not sure why people care so much about scale. It's like everyone just missed the point that 40k and 30k are Heroic Scale, meaning abstract, larger-than-life, symbolic, it was never literal. Getting bent out of shape over a few millimeters between different infantry is retarded when Rhinos are literally half their actual relative size on the tabletop and yet nobody ever complains about this. The entire thing is fucking stupid. Getting mad at scale in the miniatures is like getting mad at art depictions that aren't photorealistic.
>>98472672>Not sure why people care so much about scale.When it's all over the place it looks jarring and breaks the immersion, it's ok to have standards and consistency. Sure FW had some scale issues but it got much worse when GW took over. You must be willfully blind if you do not notice the scale difference.>when Rhinos are literally half their actual relative size on the tabletop and yet nobody ever complains about this.Yes fair point, but rhinos look even worse now due to the scale increase and even more of a clown car.>Getting mad at scale in the miniatures is like getting mad at art depictions that aren't photorealistic.False dichotomy and comes off as gaslighting, the problem is how awful the company does scale. >>98472623Yes but I suppose the scale was much less of an issue when Horus Heresy was astartes only, just look at the scale difference of FW solar aux lasrifle section and veletaris, and how they compare to FW resin space marines.
>>98470602The paintjob is great and I commend the skills, but not as much, no.>>98470606This one is nice too, but it neither scratches that specific itch.
>>98472672>Heroic Scale, meaning abstract, larger-than-life, symbolicThat's not what heroic scale means, at all.Consistency is important because this is a miniature game. "Miniature" isn't just some random word. Adjacent hobbies also have specific scales; if you look at ww2 models or trains they have "1/X scale" on the box.
>>98471107>pick army because you can finaly play an all bike force, after GW removed that option from w40k.>GW makes a full bike WS army unable to score, contest or even stand on objectives.>"But you can play them best as an army with zero WS unit and they are the best for use of heavy siege saturnite terminator cohorts"I wonder why. If WE suddenly turned in to a faction of "just spam HSS" I wonder how many people would still be playing them on a daily basis.
>>98471814I recognise that scope and mag. But I do not count rivets. Very nice anon.
>>98472836There is a Gigantic variaty among the sizes of HH era marines, even sometimes happens in w40k (Ranulf needing a custom Russ size armour, Haggar wearing a power armour with a chest plate taken from a contemptor dreadnought). Polux could walk up to Gulliman and look him dead in the eyes without lifting his head (which unnerved the primarch). The legions were full of genetic freaks. At the same time DA had officers (same with WB) who were highly augmented humans. It is good that there are different sizes for officers. I wish the troops were more mixed in size too.
>>98472934Oh hey look it's this retard again, I was hoping you got hit by a drone strike.
>>98473003>Ranulf needing a custom Russ size armour, Haggar wearing a power armour with a chest plate taken from a contemptor dreadnought). Polux could walk up to Gulliman and look him dead in the eyes without lifting his head (which unnerved the primarch).All of these are retarded and BL slop
>>98469358we got any of them warmonger failing the deep strike roll memes?
>>98473043Ranulf predates BL by two years.
>>98472798The scale was an issue since the start. We had the resin MK4 a MK6 with girly thin knees compared to say MK3. Sometimes, there were differences between the plain and legion specific units. MK4 helmets were narrower and with larger lenses compared to plastic MK7 and later plastic MK4, very jarring when mixing plastics and resin ones, problem dating back to IA4. But at least FW was selling pack of resin MK4 helms at one time.GW was also guilty, their charactes also often had problems listed above, but with characters you could just mount the models on taller scenic bases to hide the difference
>>98472672>Getting mad at scale in the miniatures is like getting mad at art depictions that aren't photorealistic.No, it's getting mad at someone not sticking to a style, but being all over the place with no regards to composition. Would the Sistine chapel be the same if the art style kept changing constantly?
>>98473003OP here, since>>98473043 can't use NTAI don't see how characters being unique in their height matters in a discussion about scale inconsistencies and what heroic scale actually means.
>>98473043WolfGuard Ranulf is 2ed . You do not get more Warhammer classic, unless you count RT as as warhammer, but then Russ is an IG general who implanted walrus tusks, so Orcs would respect him more and who had a rebreather, because of lung damage.
>>98473136What is not HH style in this perfect Ax DA wielder ? >>98470602 Which parts are "not HH". give us the list rivet counter?
>>98473043>>98473094>>98473182>anti-BL retard owned by anons that know what they're talking aboutEvery time.
>>98473182>Russ is an IG generalNo, he was a Marine Commander and appointed Imperial Commander Lucan (governor of Lucan, the then homeworld of Space Wolves).
>>98473187>perfect Ax DA wieldernta, but rivet counter here:That mini is not perfect at all, in fact is a quite ugly kitbash. Party because of the source parts.>axeA retarded cartoonish abomination. Even worse here because of the bad pose and the ackward way it's wielded.>bodyWith those jewels and padded cushion neck collar, it can only really work for a few legions like EC, BA, or SoH. Definitely not for DA. It's an aesthetic mismatch>helmetThe only DA bit, and that makes it look odd and out of place. Leaving the mold lines is just the cherry in the shitty cake.A good paintjob can't save a bad kitbash, sorry
>>98473214ntab some tard not liking BL doesn't make it good.
>>98473187Reading comprehension: 0.
>>98473234Russ was already a Primarch in RT. The "Imperial commander" fluff was retconned by 1989. In fact, you could build a proper HH3 SW force with him and only RT minis if you could find all what you need (RT land raiders, rapiers, dreads...)
>>98473238There's good BL and bad BL stories, just like there's bad HH minis and good ones, and bad FW/GW campaing books and bad ones.Dissing all BL as bad makes him a retard. Specially since the current HH setting and game are all based in BL. Double so when posting in this general. There's a /grog/ thread for those who can't deal with post 2nd ed 40k.
>>98473255Name one good BL book
>>98473269The Path of Heaven, for example.
>>98473269Visions of Heresy
>>98473274>The Path of HeavenPrimarchslop>>98473281>Visions of HeresyNot canon
>>98473289go back, retard. You're in the wrong general
>>98473269Eye of Terror.>>98473281Collected Visions > Visions of Heresy.
>>98473289>The Path of Heaven>PrimarchslopPerfect example of anti-BL retards having no idea of what they're talking about.>>98473301>Eye of Terror.That's a 40k book, though>Collected Visions > Visions of Heresywhat does that even mean? They're different editions of the same BL book.
>>98473317>That's a 40k book, thoughWhat was the request?>They're different editions of the same BL book.The same way HH 1.0 and 3.0 are different editions of the same game. Thus they're the same thing, right? Interchangeable.
>>98473239I don't need to be able to read or write to know that anyone who criticises is automaticaly wrong.
>>98473274>>98473281>>98473301Tell me about them
>>98473332Collected Visions and Visions of Heresy are the same except for the addition of Neil Roberts and FW illustrations and extra filler fluff in the later. There's also multiple editions of Visions.I like Collected Visions as a time capsule of the HH aesthetics before Neil Roberts and FW, but lore-wise there's no difference. They kept copy pasting the same fluff across editions even when later BL/FW had deviated from it.
>>98473352>Eye of TerrorTwo losers take a road trip into the Eye of Terror in search of riches. Hilarity ensues.
>>98473380>Two losers take a road trip into the Eye of Terror in search of richesIndeed it was hilarious
>>98473379There are revisions in Visions of Heresy to make it align more with the FW and BL writings while keeping more of the original Collected Visions text.
Need some tactical advice. I’m new to terminators and I’m getting a squad of Justaerin for my SoH. I’m used to playing BA.How viable is a 5 man with 2 hammers and 3 glaives? I’m going to attach them to a cataphractii Warmonger and deep strike them directly. The plan is to unload with banestrike rounds and bait a Chante from the enemy since you can’t charge from deep strike anymore
>>98473423It could work your only issue might be engineering a situation where your enemy wants to charge justaerin instead of just shooting the shit out of themI would recommend against power spears since they lose out on breaching and anything mean enough to want to fight the black bastards will probably have a 2+ save, if you need higher initiative attacks I'd use claws instead
>>98472934>>98472934Still managed to avoid choking on your own tongue?
>>98472993the scope, mag and bayonet are like the only parts of that disgusting thing not worth complaining about, dude
>>98473423Deep strike them next to/on an objective, preferable behind some terrain so they can't be easily seen, and the opponent will be force to deal with them. Could give one of them a heavy flamer, should be able to deep-strike in range and can flame again during volley fire when charging or getting charged. Don't bother with power spears. Justaerin are too slow to get to choose what ends up in close combat with them, and people will only send their biggest, heaviest hitters into them. Something power spears will be basically useless against.
Thank fucking god we have 3d sculptors with time to spare to make these minis less shit
>>98473768Pic unrelated.
>>98473849Hehe, always a hater.
>>98473052fine, i shall make one myself then
>>98473893Should have been a 1 on the die. Nobody in their right mind uses reserves without a master of signals.
>>98473939gotta lose some to learn some
>>98469358worth it to get a new spartan if you can get it for less than a new land raider?
Thoughts on plasma pistols for despoiler vets?
>>98473995Cool. That's all the reason I need. On a more serious note, speaking from experience with melee veterans they won't see much use. But at least the point cost is reasonable enough this edition that it doesn't matter much if you take them or not.
>>98474043Really? Volley fire seems to go off quite often.
>>98474122Sure, but generally veterans won't want to do volley fire when they are the ones charging, because often every casualty they cause will increases the charge range. And units aren't allowed to volley fire when charging out of a Rhino either, which is the best way to deploy power armour melee veterans.Don't get me wrong, plasma pistols are cool and more people need to put them on their units. Just don't expect a lot from them is all I'm trying to say.
>>98474043>>98474122>>98474139Anon mentioned it but yeah, I wouldn't really go for pistols on despoiler vets specifically unless they're coming out a land raider or storm eagle and thus basically can't fail their charge.Assault vets though, yeah I have a plan for 2 units of 5 with mixed power weapons and all hand flamers, because they're cool, thematic for word bearers, and likewise it's basically impossible for jump units to fail their their charge in 3.0.
Did the prospero book ever get scanned for Hh? I heard that it had rules for demons. Also how are knights to play in 3.0 compared to 40k.
>>98474184
>>98472590Assault on Black ReachI've been wanting to convert a boxnaught too so I'm hyped
>>98472490Shut the fuck up and finish circle heresy you inbred Australian
>Some metal space marine models are around the same height as the nu-marksthat's crazy
>>98474283The AoBR Dreadnought is lovely. I own four of them and it makes me very happy. Hope you have fun converting yours!
>>98474283>>98474399Castraferrum supremacy!
Anyone watch the heresy mountain channel? Something about the guy behind the camera gives me bad vibes. Is he waac?
>>98474434Steeb? Dont know if hes waac, but it is honestly kinda jarring the quality of his/MWG videos compared to some others in terms of production quality. You would think theyre a small indie channel and not like, one of the largest and oldest people at this.
>>98473939I mean i do, but thats because its aerial reserves so, MoS does fuck all for me.
>>98474585True. Not exactly sure what the reason behind that exception is though.
>>98474599MoD? or are we talking flyers
>>98474599Because they want to sell you the solution in a journal.
>>98471056II
>>98474797Flyers>>98474854And yet Ultramarines super special snowflake character SPECIFICALLY calls out fliers in his ability to get bonuses to coming in
>>98474381Y tho? Was GW just not as cosistent back then?
Gave my esoterist a force axe finally. Maybe a bit OTT but if anyone is going to fit a chaos rune-weapon its an esoterist. Backpack replacement part is on its way.
>>98475116what a gangster, really cool
>>98475146Thanks. Still trying to figure out how to make him/his demon brutes "work". Deep striking a bunch seems like it could be funny, since brutes are while very similar to ogryn entirely capable of scoring (pretty good at it too potentially, with desecrators). I just wish the power allowed it to be turn 1 or an extra DS or something.
Wasn't there a depository for older pdfs, like the how to paint marines books? I swear I am not going senile
>>98474585>guy that's the radio link between ships and ground forces>"sorry anon, I can't coordinate with marines on planes"Lmfao, I don't recall that being the case in older editions but I never ran any planes.
>>98474854>"the dude you're looking for is the master of aerolus signalus analus"That's even worse.
>>98475185once there washttps://gofile.io/d/5kpFKzthese should be most if not all of them
>>98475369Many thanks anon. Do you have anymore on how to use pigments/ weathering effects? Don't have to be Warhammer branded but I want to learn
>>98475446if you refresh the folder it should have some miscellaneous stuff in the way of videos now addedpretty much all i've got
>>98474599I assume it was balancing or something. Flyers, especially the assault transports are already pretty strong, and clearly balanced around the fact that they naturally stop coming on eventually (due to worsening reserves rolls). So they might have decided that a universal "more flyers" option wasnt a good idea. Not saying theyre right, but I could see that being the train of thought.
>>98475116Should I get rid of the spike on top of the axe?
>>98475891Nah, it really makes the axe and handle look propperly connected if you ask me.
>>98475891no way
>>98475891why would you deprive a night lord of an extra means to impale
>>98475990Because im worried it takes away from the axehead. >>98475904Very true. I think the spikes on the sides also help, since theyre conveniently also on the base staff.
The webstore said they'd make the AT rules for the new reaver weapons available as a pdf...
consider urself sought
>>98477201Good job, Anon! I'm not quite sure what exactly you've done but good job.Might steal that bolter idea.
>>98477201Wrong thread + fuck off.
Just based on this pic alone, going for the plastic Angron instead of the resin one.
>>98477400I can't decide which Angron I prefer.The resin Fulgrim is far superior though.
>>98477400Pretty grim (dark, even) when the best part of your new expensive resin mini is the dead Blood Angel at your feet lmao
>>98477400>Angron vs Perturabo
>>98477490I would buy that BA if I could find it anywhere. But even recasters doesn't seem to be willing to do the shitty resin Angron.The plastic version has a stupid ork face, but that can fixed. Otherwise is 100% superior.
>>98477595AWG has it. They don't sell that dude individually but you could always email them and ask. They sell bits and they do take requests.
>>98472490Whinging cunt
>>98477600>AWGthanks, anon
>>98477595>The plastic version has a stupid ork faceWhat would be better, just shaving off the bulbous clown nose or replacing it with a Bloodthirster face? Are the scales different?
>>98477595The fascinating part about it is that it's the same helmet as the BA mk6 head, but on a 1.0 mk6 body. Wish we had more bling desu
>>98477823It's a 1.0 mk4 body. Look at Raldoron's mini for comparison.
>>98477833forgot pic
>>98477835I'd believe you, hard to say. I saw the greeves and studded pad and default to mk6, especially since the helmet is too
>>98477837It's a mix of mk4 and mk6 features, yeah. Several mk4 character minis have features from other marks, which I guess makes sense if we understand mk5-7 bits as mk4 variant parts before specific mixes of them were codified.
>>98477844Extra based. The BA character could be a Mk5-mk6 hybrid. I don't supposed anyone has a close-up of it?
>>98477850Just a simple upscaling of the GW images shows a very similar mk4 suit compared to Raldoron's, with some details changed. It follows the same conventions as other mk4 characters except for the mk6 helmet.I don't like Raldoron's pose and size, so this could be a good way to give him longer legs and arms
>>98477697I'd carefully make his face look more like an human skull.The nose, ears, and jaw are orky as fuck. He looks like a squig, lolThe other issue is the winged arm's "biceps". They steal the focus of attention from his head, so they need a subdued paint job instead of the usual highlight of round surfaces.
>>98477876Nic, thank you for bringing the receipt
>>98477844I always just assumed that's a fancy MkVI. Chest cables can be hidden under the breastplate. MkVII, for example, has chest cabling, but they're under the breastplate.>>98477876This. MkVI style greaves have been shown on various suits ranging from MkIII to MkV. It's possible the design existed before the MkVI and it just adopted it. The same way MkV adopted its helmet from Indomitus.
>>98471056No Space Marine legions just 'fights alongside' psy titans.That had like five known engagements the entire Great Crusade.They are never used by titans though.
>>98478050> Chest cables can be hidden under the breastplateYes, the mk7 style chestplates were originally a mkIV custom variant. As seen in that AL praetor and other models like pic related.Later it became one of the parts combined in as mk7 (see the Armour through the Ages article in WD published during HH2)>MkVI style greaves have been shown on various suits ranging from MkIII to MkV. It's possible the design existed before the MkVI and it just adopted itMk3 is a different case, because it uses a different tech and construction. But yes, the "mk6 legs" were a mk4 variant that became part later of the mk6 standard. Many mk4 models have them, like these AL and WB praetors, or the Ahriman mini.While Mk4 is commonly said to be the newest and best mark, it was already half a century old by the time of the HH, and there were efforts to improve on it.
>>98478219Another example
looking to get some tanks and artillery for my iron warriors, what's some fluffy choices?
>>98478228and another, also with mkVI-style shoulder pads
>>98478233MedusaeVindicatorsTyphonaiMultipleastodon
>>98478237SO glad the stupid soft belly armour didn't become a thing.
>>98478233BasilisksMedusasQuad mortar rapiersDemolisher cannon vindicatorsArquitorsScorpiusWhirlwindsTyphonsKratosLand RaidersSpartansRhinosFellbladesFalchions
>>98478237pretty sure the knights errant armor is supposed to be a mk6 variant, I don't think that's really applicable. Remus Ventanus and the UM Praetor are in the ambiguously mk4 style armor with mk5 and 6 elements though
>>98478219>Later it became one of the parts combined in as mk7 (see the Armour through the Ages article in WD published during HH2)Where exactly does it say that?>Mk3 is a different case, because it uses a different tech and construction.Single piece greaves are single piece greaves, no matter how and from what they're made. Point is that "MkVI greaves" does not a MkVI armour make.>Ahriman mini.I feel like Ahriman has them because his model is based on the old art. Back when "MkVI greaves = pre-Heresy armour" and artist slapped them on everything, along with studs and segmented plates.
>>98478312Mk III greaves have extra single piece armour plates bolted to the front of Mk II segmented armour. It is not the same as later power armour greaves.
>>98478312>Where exactly does it say that?WD469>Single piece greaves are single piece greaves, no matter how and from what they're madeNo, in mk3 the lower leg extra armour plate covers the knee articulation, but it doesn't replace it like in mk4+ > Point is that "MkVI greaves" does not a MkVI armour make.agreed> when "MkVI greaves = pre-Heresy armour"Yes, that was widely seen in Visions. But it makes sense that FW reconciled it with their newer minis by the way of making it a late/artificer mk4 feature
>>98478327So what the fuck are these then?
>>98478365>WD469Yes, where in that article? I don't see anything about MkIV torso being used for MkVII.
>>98478365>but it doesn't replace it like in mk4+actually, the Dominion Zephon model suggests mk6 has a smaller knee plate underneath as well. though, I do agree that mk3's version of single piece knee and shin armor isn't really the same thing as the mk6 version
>>98478378Bastardised CSM power armour 10k years in the future that barely has any relation to 30k era power armour designs.
>>98478406>cobbling together power armour didn't exist in 30k>the era which gave its name to a power armour literally known for being cobbled together
>>98478418You are deliberately being obtuse, you dense motherfucker. There's no way somebody would be too retarded to understand the difference between cobbling together power armour suits during the HH itself, and 10k years of regression, corruption, bastardisation, tech-heresy, and improvised field repairs.
Wasn't there a FW dark angels cataphractii shoulder pads kit at some point? Or am I losing it?
>>98478476AFAIK, they didn't. IH were the only loyalists to get them.
>>98478406Crosstalk between 40k and 30k designers seems really minimal too. Like this dude is apparently meant to have modified Cataphractii armour but the core design has more in common with Indomitus beyond the superficial shoulderpads and pteruges.
I wish they didn't make the warsmiths grav crusher so retarded goofy looking
>>98478596The current 40k model designers really seem to know nothing about the lore or setting.
>>98478450And how is an M41 cobbled together greave without a knee pad different from an M30 factory built and issued greave without a knee pad? All I'm talking about is the visual design of the thing. Like how we can call squared knee pads "MkIV style" even if they're not even on power armour. How people associate the MkX helmet with MkIV helmet due to the style of the face mask. I have no idea why this has to be so hard for some people.
>>98478596Retvrn.
>>98470279Very interesting, please elaborate?
>>98474283oh right, I still got those laying around somewhere
>>98474381he is still shorter, but has much more aura
>>98477844the visions of heresy had beakie legs on otherwis e looking mk4 dudes as well
>>98478701is that LotR Sauron's maul?
>>98478834All sorts of looking dudes.
>>98478233Literally any of them. But the most common tank for marines would be the predator, so get at least two.
>>98478233>Guys, are space marines a fluffy choice for my legion?
Whats cooler: power axe + plasma pistol veterans, or heavy chainsword veterans?
>>98478622>The current 30k model designers really seem to know nothing about the lore or settingFTFYThe 40k designers are proving to be more respecful of the old designs, see whoever did the Red Corsairs range.They get reasonably sized melee weapons while the HH gets anime cartoon ones. They even got one piece studded pauldrons!
>>98473391great book! my fav part is when that one iron warrior goes aboard the pride of the emperor and has a fucking blunt rotation with Eidolon and then he drinks this wierd liquid he is given
>>98478828No, I measured them and the old metal veteran is almost exactly as tall as the nu-marine. The only difference is that the back pack on the new marines sits way higher, the marines themselves are the same height.
>>98478966Damn the old designs must look like dogshit if they look anything like that.
>>98478946axes
>>98478987shut your whore mouthPic related is the gold standard of HH models still not surpassed.They even't needed to be made bigger given the scale of game, IMO.
>>98478946Yes.
>>98479011tr00nscalers and size queens really have been a huge detriment to the hobby.
>>98479020I like the better proportions of the HH2+ minis, but that's the only thing they have over the old ones.IMO using the same scale but with the smaller heads of the new models and other details would have been the best of both worlds. Something like the Space Marine Heroes series 1 minis.Nowadays even Land Raiders look too smal next to infantry.
>>98478946Why not both?
>>98479011If we had just gotten straight plastic replacements it would have been so perfect
>>98479011>purity sealfake and gay
>>98478966they're all left handed and that guy's got a lightsaber
Which way, git?
>>98470078Fuck that was hell on earth, still kind of is, but I think the worst is over now....
>>98479556I'm liking the weird upside down combi guns more and more every time I see them
>>98479556I like the classic look more. The new ones feel like they should be "Both guns", whereas with the old style its clearly an underslung attachment thing, kind of like those grenade launcher attachments.
>>98479011Those dont look like the new corsairs? But yea, old MK3 is undefeated kino.
Breacher centurion done, unless I decide to strap a melee weapon on after all.
>>98479705With plasma shotty
>>98479626It is a bit weird to give the one shot weapons whst is very clearly reloadable ammunition webbing. The new ones are also extremely sleek for full bolters
>>98479556>>98479626It's sad that we go better Astartes combi weapons in random kits, and then they had to produce that abortion straight outta Necromunda
>>98479705Looking really good. >>98479729Yea. Feels like theyre intended for a different weapon, one that just fires a "lesser version" of whatever gun but every turn.
>>98478378Literally just spin the dude around on the website and you'll see what >>98478327 means. The monolithic designs are simply plates of armor bolted onto the front of MkII base armor, like all other MkIII armors.
>>98479930>it's not MkVI style because it's not literally a MkVI greave bolted onto a MkIII leg
>>98479991>Immersion shattering levels of pretending to be retarded
>>98479991Where do you think you are? You got into an argument with space marine, heresy era armor nerds. And you lost that argument too
>>98479991>maximum autismyes, and?
>>98479711This reeks on primaris gun. Also it's stupidly long
primaris derangement syndrome
>>98480007I'm not responsible for you to keep making an issue where none existed. You keep ignoring everything and getting mad over something that was never said.
>>98478490Ok thanks. I managed to pick up 10 original cataphractii terminators off FB marketplace for a very reasonable price and was wondering.
>Yes I do play Dark Angels, how did you know?
>>98480258No gag reflex
>>98478933what's the problem, dickhead?
>>98480540Ask stupid questions, get stupid answers
liber antiquia when??
>>98480776Right after circling the drain edition
>>98480783what
I'm trying to make a secret agent guy and holy shit I forgot how unintuitive these guys are. There's no outstretched arms everything's got this stupid elbow curve like they're unenthusiastically gesturing, what the fuck, man.
>>98480915Is this just a thing with the MKVI kit or is it a thing with the MKII and MKIII kits as well?
>>98480915Yeah the nu-marines are absolutely terrible for anything that isn't build guide assembly. Got 10 of the nu-Mk II for dirt cheap to sprinkle in a few squads, and it is baffling how much more finicky they are. Even the weapon upgrade kits are so much easier to use with older marines somehow, all it takes is slicing off those weirdly angled wrists from the hands attached to the weapons.
I guess it's not that bad but it's probably going in the garbage
>>98481111You know....i dont hate it anon, desu the thing that upsets me the most is the mold slip on that melta bomb
>>98481461It's pretty bad
Is the game currently good, especially when compared to other editions in the past 10 years?>It's never been good. Especially since 4th edi-In the past 10 years
>>98481507What is your definition of good?There's more units and options viable than there has ever been in the history of warhammer, at the cost of a little flavour (which is slowly being reintroduced through journals) You can bring almost any kind of army and have a decent chance of wining, if you have the right game plan.
>>98481507Its a mixed bag, is it more balanced then 2.0? yes, does it have needless addtions that no one wanted or asked for? Like challenge system? Yes. Did they make some piss poor choices at the start like 4 turn missions and only 3 fucking missions at the start with one of them ebing fucking ASS, yes.Its not bad though.
>>98481529>What is your definition of good?Fun/enjoyable. Sorry, I deleted the question because I mistook this tab for the 40kgeneral one. I know HH is kino. Even post-shrimplification.Though I do resent marines losing their legion trait when doing disordered charges!>Why yes we are Blood Angels. But we just disembarked a Rhino, so we don't crave blood right now, thanks.
>>98478305it's more like a sidegrade of MkVI into what becomes the GK variant, though neither Rubio nor >>98478219MkiV doesn't even look like that until some guy made one from an assault marine for Eavy Metal in 2005the Armour Through the Ages guy has a dangling flap on little hinges over his groin, which none of the other 1997 MkIV sculpts have (tho in fairness the others are clutching their bolters so close you can't see what's back there)and marks II and III at that time are sculpted with the flap too, only larger and squarerthe design in pic related, which could pass for a BaC marine, is really a redesign or reinterpretation of what went before, and frankly, it's better; but they're both MkIV variants, while I can't see Rubio's as anything but modified VI even with the weird michelin man belly
>>98481589The thumbnail made me think it was padoru
>>98481589It's kind of impressive how that one conversion became the blueprint for Mk IV models
>>98481507Yes. The game is the best balanced its ever been, its not even close, and that in turn means build variety is high.
>>98481547>Though I do resent marines losing their legion trait when doing disordered charges!I do not, because I do not want space wolves rhino rushing an extra 2 inches. The rhino rush is already very strong, but it is balanced by the fact that you cant build to abuse it. No volley fire shenanigans or charge bonuses.
>>98481547>Fun/enjoyableAnon this isnt exactly very concrete. Personally I think the game is really fun, things are balanced and listbuilding is varied, and I feel like theres a lot more possible creativity compared to (for example) 2e. If your idea of fun is "special rules" however, you might not agree, because special rules have been largely cut down and flavor is expressed in more subtle ways/through basic unit functionality, rather than "and then they get an extra special rule to explain what theyre mean to do"
>>98481704Rhino rush is strong because they move the full distance and then disembark, not because their passengers are getting their traits.If transports still moved only up to half distance before disembarking, then RR wouldn't be "too strong".Not to mention the trait loss is selective: only the ones whose traits happen in the charge (EC/SW/BA/WE) are affected. Death Guard can use Rhinos just fine. Activate Heavy X and then charge no problem.The problem here isn't Rhinos (it's transports in general). The problem here is that EC/SW/BA/WE don't get their traits during disordered charges, whereas all other legions never get their traits cancelled at any time
>>98481540>Like challenge system?The challenge system is solid, and while 3e does have its weaknesses, this isnt one of them. 3e encourages (if not "forces") running lots of lower level characters, it also restricts the options consuls have meaning that character "variety" in terms of what they can and cannot do is larger than ever. A librarian is not a champion is not a centurion (even if you assume "always thunder hammer") etc. The challenge system is really good at adding granular complexity to these low level character combats>some gambits are more generically good/more "optimal" in most circumstancesYes, and thats fine. Between the legion gambits and circumstance you still have enough variety to go around.
>>98481825>Rhino rush is strong because they move the full distance and then disembark, not because their passengers are getting their traits.Yes, its already strong. My point is that its strong enough to where you dont need or want some legions having it be even stronger. And the current disorganized charge rules help make sure thats the case. >only the ones whose traits happen in the charge (EC/SW/BA/WE)Dont forget SoH. Their bonus to volley fire is also negated by disordered charges. >Death Guard can use Rhinos just fine. Yes, in that they charge the same as anyone else (although if they want to use their heavy(x) they will be moving less than everyone else. >The problem here is that EC/SW/BA/WE don't get their traits during disordered chargesOnce again forgetting SoH. And their traits are already strong enough WITHOUT having them proc via the easy charges a rhino rush allows. Those legions get insanely powerful effects with the condition that they need a charge, which is normally rather hard. RR's let you have easy charges, but those charges dont get the same benefits immediately. Seems fair to me.
>>98481940It'd be nice if sergeants weren't excluded from the challenge system. It's so sad to create a whole system where (allegedly) anything could happen....then exclude the most common duelist out of it!
>>98481951Also: why SoH might be the most important legion to consider (despite the omission on your end). They clearly have a "charge" legion trait. But theres basically no way to allow them to get it when RR'ing that doesent end up monstrously powerful (rhino rush destroyers anyone?). The current disordered charges are "punishing" enough to where theres counterplay, but still enable a powerful strategy that makes melee actually viable without land raiders. And that system would not work in any scenario where everyone gets their charge benefits (because that would lead to absolutely disgusting situations). So you would need to gut the base system and suddenly only the designate legions get to have any semblance of the RR for no good reason.
>>98481955>It'd be nice if sergeants weren't excluded from the challenge systemMaster sgt. Also a lot of the more elite troops have their sgts be innately champions (varangyr, command squads, etc). Plus, sgt chumping would be stronger than ever with the new system, because instead of refusing (and eating the disgraced status) you would just send a mook to die.
>>98481955Nah, that would just lead to people using their throwaway sergeants to tank a character's attacks for a turn.
>>98481951I would trade half of a Rhino's move for getting my trait back. I don't want strong, I want thematic. It is simply nonsensical for World Eaters to get a charge and not get the +1A that they used to get explicitly even when disordered back them.
>>98481969But on the whole I do agree that itd be nice if sgts could fight challenges, because sgt on sgt combat could be really fun this edition. Its just one of those things where by letting them take part, you essentially remove the system. A sgt vs a character is (outside of the aforementioned super elites) such a foregone conclusion, and it essentially means people would never "actually" have to engage in challenges.
>>98481974>I want thematicFor WE that means a footslogging horde of chain axe wielding berserkers running at the enemy. Which... their current trait promotes, that's crazy.
>>98481974>It is simply nonsensical for World Eaters to get a charge and not get the +1A that they used to get explicitly even when disordered back them.Take hereticus then, since that gives a flat +1 attack when lost to the nails. If you want to represent that "we dont need to think or do shit, were mad berserkers" thing. Disordered charges are charges made under less than ideal circumstances where doctrine cannot be properly carried out and the best laid plans cannot be relied upon, whether thats because dudes are springing a desperate trap at the last moment (interdiction cadre) or because warriors are trying to use a vehicle in a way it was never really designed for (rhino rush). Which is why units that would normally get a benefit for charging (whether thats through innate skills, weaponry, or their legion tendency) dont get their bonuses. Its too manic, disorganized, short notice, and chaotic for the SOH to get their punishing volleys off, for the EC to practice their martial excellence or for night raptors to fully utilize their raptor strike.
>>98481966It's not so much about charge benefits, but rather about traits deactivating during disordered charges.
>>98482015The trait in this case being "charge benefits". Which a lot of legions (BA, SW, WE, SOH, EC) do have - in some way or another - to be fair. But theirs arent the only charge benefits, and im not sure why theirs should be granted in a situation where all other charge benefits are otherwise removed.
>>98481969>Master sgtFalse equivalence. That benefit is twofold: it both improves a sarge's stay line, and lets him engage in the challenge system.You shouldn't have to pay a ticket to enter, is what I'm asking.>Players might throw in a sacrificial sargeLd test does away with target selection. Win, you choose who accepts. Lose, the enemy does. But shrimps seem to be allergic to throwing more dice than strictly necessary in this here DICE GAME
>>98482015And? All legion traits have situations where they have no effect or become useless. Be glad you don't have the DA trait.
>>98482031>You shouldn't have to pay a ticket to enter, is what I'm asking.There ARE sgts that have champion unique (generally among bodyguard/retinue units mind, but still). But sure, I could see a world where sgts are just allowed to do challenges. Help give that lone power fist dude a thing to do. >Ld test does away with target selectionId have simply made it "if theres a character, they have to accept, if there isnt a sgt can". I think its fits with the general concept of "disgraced" and the challenge refusal mechanic that a line sgt wouldnt be standing in for a commanding officer (unless literally thrown under the bus NL style). >>98482035I will die on the hill that the DA trait is -in context - fine. Is it undertuned relative to the others? Yes, slightly so. But its generally useful (ignore the fear thing and realize its just the excellent WB trait from last edition and then some, sure routing isnt the literal death sentence it used to be but its still good to avoid it) and thematic (its their whole "stubborn & grim resolve, standing against the worst monsters in the galaxy unmoving" thing)Its also balanced out by their excellent selection of aux detachments.
>>98481992Walking? How positively pedestrian. True warriors ride into battle!
>>98481951>Those legions get insanely powerful effects >SW
>>98481940>The challenge system is solid, and while 3e does have its weaknesses, this isnt one of them.Challenge system is shit, its the illusion of choice, because 9/10 times you almost alwyas pick the same 2 or 3 gambits nothing ever else.Wrost of all though, is the challenge system massively disrupts the flow of the game, its such a cumbersome and needless system. If it existed JUST for primarch level characters sure fine but having to do it for anyone who is a champion is just shitty.
>>98482086Anon +2" setup is fucking insane. Its incredibly powerful and makes charges so much more consistent, while also denying a lot of the possible counterplay charges normally have. Maybe im biased as a NL player, since setup move counters my legion reaction
>>98481940Oh i forgot to mention terrain rules. Terrain rules are so fucking bad in 3.0 that everyone just collectivly agreed to just say fuck it, and not even bother with them and just kept using 2.0 terrain rules lolI think my group which is a group of like 10 or so dudes that play consistantly, we all played like 3 or 4 games at the very start of the edition using 3.0 rules and we all just said fuck this, this shit is awful, and went back to Good ol LoS rules and 50% obscured.
>>98481951>Not mentioning AL AL is probably imo one of the strongest legions in teh game right now, especially if you are playing with the actual terrain rules of 3.0
>>98482092>its the illusion of choice, because 9/10 times you almost alwyas pick the same 2 or 3 gambits nothing ever else.And? Yea, no shit "taunt and bait" is there for niche cases. Under ideal "white paper" circumstances there are a couple gambits you generally always want (finishing blow and seize being the main two), ignoring any special gambits which tend towards the "very good" side of things - and therefore make riposte relevant. The fact that there are these generic "power gambits" which both players want is what makes the dynamic, because only one player can have any given gambit and someone gets first pick. So yes, some gambits are "always good" and some are more situational, but thats fine because the whole point is that its always "a situation", theres always some context which changes what you do and pick.
>>98482053>I will die on the hill that the DA trait is -in context - fine.Its not, its really really shit. I have i dont even know how many games under my belt now its at least 2 dozen of 3.0 and in all that time the DA trait came up ONCE and only once, and that was specifically against a NL player, because there are very few things that can even bring you down far enough for it to kick in, since almost everyone is running either combat vets, or Master SGT, your stats are being bumped up to the point of needing something with like fear 3 in the game for it to kick into effect, which there are only 2 characters with that iirc, and both of them are NL characters. Its really really bad.
>>98482116>Its the illusion of choice.>Agrees with me.>ITs still totally fineIts a bad system anon, just admit its a bad system. Im not against the idea of a challenge system, but this one is just shitty because its filled with the illusion of choice and the reality is that majority of the time it all boils down to who wins the roll off..
>>98482110I didnt mention AL because their trait has no bearing on how they charge.>especially if you are playing with the actual terrain rules of 3.0Anon, I hate to break your heart, but it doesent have that interaction with "cant see through more than 3" of terrain". It affects the total distance from the enemy to you, it doesent add distance at any "specific point". >>98482103Having played with the terrain rules a fair bit? Theyre fine. The abstracted 3" LoS really helps make terrain actually really impactful, because now all those ruins with their big gaping doors and holes are actually blocking LoS rather than simply giving you a 5++. It makes shooting lanes a lot more restricted and makes mobility more important. True LoS is more intuitive, but its fiddlier ("oh let me just make sure each dude is standing behind a pillar so you cant see them") and - obviously - very reliant on the actual terrain used.
>>98482136the terrain rule is not the only thing that makes AL insanly good. they can, if they want to, deny any cataphracii unit form getting into melee with a unit of theirs if they dont want to. They can completely deny a chata unit the ability to get into combat Its fucking nuts.
>>98482125>Its a bad system anon,Youre going to need to present a better argument than "well some gambits are niche and that makes me feel bad". >illusion of choiceThe illusion of choice would be if gambit selection didnt matter, as if the outcome was always the same. Which is obviously not true. >and the reality is that majority of the time it all boils down to who wins the roll offYea, no shit anon. In a system about people with identical statlines fighting each other going first is very important. What a criticism. Its almost like "who wins the roll off" is a central mechanic to how the gambits and weapons and shit work or something. Any other stunning insights? That it just comes down to whoever can pass their invuln saves?
>>98482145Im not sure if thats exactly how it works (as in "I would need to go read the exact wording on how charges are measured once declared - it wouldnt work for example for denying closing the distance with setup moves"), but yes, their range fuckery is really strong now that charge ranges are on average much lower. That 4" move does a lot of work for them. Good trait theirs.
>>98482145The cata terminator is 1" away from you. You move away 4". They setup move 1", they are now 4" (6" AL trait) away from you.They make it on a 6. If you want to fuck peoples charges over, look at NL. Any charge that doesent make it in on pure setup basically autofails if they have reactions left.
>>98481974This, it's stupid that WE lost their +1 attack on a disordered charge. A screaming horde of kamikaze retards getting wiped out in melee, but still managing to maul the fuck out of their enemy is kino af.>>98482002The WE hereticus trait is lame as it only kicks in if you fail a test. You can't convince me otherwise.
>>98482186>The WE hereticus trait is lame as it only kicks in if you fail a test.Just take the apothecary.
>>98482186>A screaming horde of kamikaze retardsThats hereticus. Youre describing lost to the nails.The normal WE trait is them being nuts, but nuts in a "aggressive space marines" way, rather than a "mentally deranged murder-fetishists" way.
>>98482192All I'm taking is a chainaxe and your head, high rider
>>98482204Not without that attack you aint.
>>98482160>Youre going to need to present a better argument than "well some gambits are niche and that makes me feel bad".That IS a good argument, actually. Very few viable gambits. Sad!There might as well just be four gambits: Mine, yours, Seize, and Finisher.
>>98482217>There might as well just be four gambits: Mine, yours, Seize, and Finisher.And then guard up/test the foe for when the other guy gets to pick first and takes the gambit you wanted. Or riposte for when you need to disable their special gambit because its bollocks (NL), or grandstand for when you need to convert your outnumbering into actual damage somehow. And oh look, weve reinvented the other gambits, weird!The "generically strong" gambits set the paradigm, the niche gambits exist to work around the paradigm and serve the actual circumstance at hand.
>>98482094Compared to previous editions, it's a pittance
>>98482230Guard up? Isn't that the one where you get +1WS on the condition you only ever get to do a single attack at all? Fuck that shit.By all means seize and swing first, I cN take it. Then I shall inflict double damage on you.
The legion that was fast across the board for their footslogging melee infantry, had alternative deployments for their footslogging melee infantry, was better the first round of combat (always in 1.0, only if you can't run in 2.0 which is a fair balancing move) for their melee units, had a danger bubble melee reaction based on the opponent getting within charging range of a melee unit, now gets +2 to the charge?> insanely powerful effectsSW got put into a no kill shelter, became starved and emaciated as the white woman staff chose pitbulls over them. Not dead yet but spiritually so
>>98481589>MkiV doesn't even look like that until some guy made one from an assault marine for Eavy Metal in 2005Nta but isn't that a kitbash with the forgeworld Red Scorpions upgrade of the time?>>98481612>>98481617
Which of the legions is the most molepilled? Salamanders are good contenders since if I'm not mistake they had the distinct pleasure to be the first legion to test out this marvelous piece of technology at the Tempest Galleries
Have the sculptors shared whether the saturnine marines are meant to be limbless nuggets inside the suits?
>>98483437There's that bit in Forges of Saturn about EC apothecaries having fun turning marines into fucknuggets to fit them into saturnine suits more easy, but that's about it.
>>98482310Whos ever going to bother with a guard up any way, it pretty much garuntees you to go after them, which is basically a death sentence since you are are more then likely going to die in 2 hits 1 if its a named character usually.
>>98483523>it pretty much garuntees you to go after themNigga what? You roll a regular focus roll-of dice with guard up. Are you confusing it with finishing blow, where you have to roll two pick lowest?There's plenty of situations where guard up is worth using. Easiest and quickest to explain not going to make a list, you seem very closed minded so not gonna waste any more time is a biomancy librarian. Makes the librarian harder to hit, and him hit more easy. Then slap the opponent into orbit with force'd up biomantic slam, which only allows 1 attack anyway.
>>98483523>>98482310Guard up is solid. Yes, its less damage short term (only 1 attack), but its +1WS (big for defense most of the time) and also gives a hefty focus benefit next turn. You use it to mitigate one turn of damage and then next turn go first with finishing blow. Remember, breakpoints being what they are often times just preventing that one hit is enough to stop yourself dying when you would otherwise die. You arent picking guard up every time, but you are considering it a lot of the time when your opponent has the advantage, because it lessens it short term and turns it into an advantage for you on the next round. It also lacks a focus penalty, so it can often go before finishing blow.
>>98482295Yes, their 2e trait was broken bullshit and was rightfully removed. Their current trait is still very good and makes them an incredibly fast and reliable melee army.
>>98482310>I cN take iOn average? Yes: you can. Even with the +1A for going first, on average a praetor or centurion does not kill another praetor or centurion in one go. While with finishing blow centurion combats end in one hit and therefore on average do.
>>98482323You are at best making the argument that SW were overpowered garbage and should never have existed in the state they did. Because even with the rule youre crying and shitting your pants over theyre very strong. Not to mention their special units, which range from "utterly insane" (grey slayers) to simply "okay" (deathsworn)
Heh.
>>98483919Is the community ready for a female character to do what happens in the Argonaut story? Becuase In the myth , Medea killed and dismembered her young brother, Absyrtus, throwing his body parts into the sea to force her pursuing father, King Aeëtes, to stop and gather the remains, which allowed the Argo to escape. Ancients Greeks weren't playing with their stories.
>>98483919Diabolical, you made me check if it was real and not AI slop>>98483954https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Argonauts
>>98483919I'd only watch such a thing if he was as nasal as DreadAnon's interpretation
>>98481111is that a nose job? did he ascend?
>>98482723any recasters selling this set?
>>98483954foids should be pregnant bearfood in the kitchen
>>98484087more like trying to hide his "hill apache" ancestry.[those from eastern europe know what I am talking about].
Did the firewing ever deploy any of their rare speeders after the Rangda Genocide? Or where they all deplated, like the whole legion?>>98484107Only a brave man, lets a woman make his food. Or one who lives with his mother or grandmother. Those women are saints.
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>>98483954Did nothing wrong. Both there and in the later episode where she gets revenge on jason.
>>98483645>2e trait was brokenSounds like you couldn't bait nor counter them, skill issue. Cry some moreThey went from a very long, consistent playstyle of large 20 man bricks running across the board or flanking assault, to being a rhino rush and challenge (?) army>>98483663>"utterly insane" (grey slayers) to simply "okay" (deathsworn)Grey slayers are more expensive despoilers or slow assault squads, deathsworn are hot garbage as they lost their Rad abilities entirely while still being overcosted.
