Repost from previous thread that I never got an answer to:

Are there any statlines floating around for a Chapter Master? Failing that, any guidelines on how to put one together for a BC game?

>>98471247
Basically a space marine with stats in the 60s instead of 40s.

>>98471167
That pic reminds me of the novel Eye of Terror. Barrington J. Bayley wrote only bangers.

>>98471727
Heck, his non 40k books are good too.

>>98471167
>TQ
Pimped out archaeotech heavy cruiser. Game died before it rolled off the slips. I mourn what could have been.
As an aside, I was hoping to get into running a black crusade game with some friends but my motivation has been strangled. I'm not even playing video games anymore. How do I overcome this?

I need something new for my players to deal with. Can the obliterator virus infect Orcs? Has it ever infected Tau?

>>98472489
It is a warp-based virus, it can infect a house plant.

>>98472489
All up to you.

>>98472489
Something from RT that’s been retconned. Old school is best school.

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>>98471167
>trade
My players right now are POOR. They are the poorest of poorfags. While their colony is generating ~12 nonliquid Profit Factor right now, they have 1 liquid Profit Factor to their names. One. They've invested in a ton of infrastructure and purchased tons of exotic treasures. They realized they were hemorrhaging money, so they had to learn how to trade. They decided to send a trade expedition out. Using the trade planner, they loaded up their transport ship (that they stole via a piracy mission), and spent 8 PF to load it with 3 units of Technical Plans, 5 units of Carved Eikons, and two units of Slaves. They sent their Expedition off into the Shining Hinterlands, and hoped for the best...

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>>98474886
When their delegation arrived at the Shining Hinterlands, they found a bunch of stuff for sale. They sold their two units of Slaves and five units of Carved Eikons for 16 local PF, and used it to purchase 3 units of Euphoric Incense, 3 units of Rare Spices, and bought 1 unit of Surplus Resources. They turned an outflow of 8 PF into income of 18 PF so far, but they won't get that back until the ship returns home. They then sent their Trade Expedition to the New New Homeworlds to see if they could pawn off their technical data and resources for anything of use. Here's hoping they don't forget they need Profit Factor, and they sell everything they have.

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>>98474908
As for the captain of this Trade Expedition? I have a python script that generates captains they can hire, which makes captain generation easy.

Given these amazing options,they chose...Be'pis.

I'm back to adding to the wiki. Progress is good so far! Roughly 90 talents have their own articles. Nearly halfway done. It's fun!

Shas'O didn't respond to some of my queries, so some talents still have ambiguity or problems, but heyho, not a big deal.

Also, this might be rather cheeky, but I'm translating it into British English, since...This is 40k, and 40k is written in British English.

>>98471385

So would I then be giving them like 70s in the stuff they specialize in? Like say for the sake of argument I'm trying to put together Tyberos

>>98475405
>Roughly 90 talents have their own articles. Nearly halfway done. It's fun!
I see you and I share the same kind of autism, it might seem like tedious busywork, but I love doing shit like that as well as long as it's connected to my hobbies.
Great work Anon!

>>98475405
>This is 40k, and 40k is written in British English
Yes, precisely, thank you, another piece of evidence that shas doesn't do real 40k, just a weird american reflection of it as I said last thread.

>>98475694
Serious question, how much time do you spend here getting mad at people having fun the wrong way in your mind?

>>98475699
If I'm not the only one noticing, then I'm not the problem.

>>98474886
>>98474908
holy shit is this actual TRADING in Rogue TRADER?

>>98475680
<3

>>98475694
It's not a big deal

Do any of the Dark Heresy 2e books have example player characters already statted out? I want to get a grip on the rules before trying to introduce and run it for my group, but it would be easier if I didn't have to also roll up 3-5 PCs while still trying to get my foot in the door doing it.

>>98475997
I am legitimately unsure if any of the FFG games have premade characters. Making a character in 2e is pretty easy though, the hardest thing is just keeping track of aptitudes you get and the most rolling is for characteristics, fate points, and the divination. I don't think you should look at 2e npcs for examples since their stats are inflated compared to previous game lines. Depending on what the player wants to do, they should look at the characteristic, skill, and talent advancement tables and think of what they want to get cheaper.

>>98476081
Most FFG systems had a free demo scenario with 3-6 premades designed for it and a shortened version of the rules provided. Forsaken Bounty for RT, Broken Chains for BC, Eleventh Hour for OW, forgot the name of the for Deathwatch, but it had one as well. Not sure if DH2ed received something like that as well though

>>98471167
>Biggest score you got through trading or commerce?
I bought 10kg of silver when it cost $8/oz and sold it when it was worth $80/oz. Oh wait you mean in game? No idea. Kek.

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There are a number of updates now in the Mega based on feedback from peeps and players.

Fear and Loathing in the Eastern Fringe (v1.9.7)
>Aeldari Warp Jump Generator is now properly listed in the Gear Table.
>T'au and Aeldari Launch Bays now limited to the Prow slot, and Necron Launch Bays now limited to the Keel slot.
-They don't work the same way Imperial Launch Bays do (P/S Only).
>Pathfinder Special Ability and Talents Swapped
-My players pointed out to me that every class that gets a "metacurrency" ex. Necron Nemesor Command Protocols, Triarch Praetorian Honor, Drukhari Pain Tokens, etc start with the ability to gain these immediately, with further uses across the class. The Pathfinder did not, instead starting with the Structural Analyzer ability, and being forced to purchase their Recon Sweep talent to use Recon Data. The Pathfinder now starts with Recon Sweep as a special ability, and Structural Analyzer has been moved to a Rank 1 talent, synchronizing it with all other metacurrency classes.

The Fringe is Yours (v1.13.30)
>Drukhari Launch Bays and Impaler Bays are now limited to the Prow slot.
-They don't work the same way Imperial Launch Bays do (P/S Only).

The Good, the Bad, and the Alpha Legion (v1.12.16)
>Standardized Tank Hunter talent prerequisites to BS 40 to synchronize with Only War version (Affects Iron Hands and Centurion Siege Breakers)
>Standardized Modify Payload talent prerequisites to Demolition, since Demolition was folded into Tech Use in Only War. (Affects Iron Warriors and Breacher Marines)
>Standardized Wrecker talent prerequisites to Demolition. (Affects Breacher Marines, Iron Warriors, and Centurion Siege Breakers)

>>98476497
>>Standardized Tank Hunter talent prerequisites to BS 40 to synchronize with Only War version (Affects Iron Hands and Centurion Siege Breakers)
>>Standardized Modify Payload talent prerequisites to Demolition, since Demolition was folded into Tech Use in Only War. (Affects Iron Warriors and Breacher Marines)
>>Standardized Wrecker talent prerequisites to Demolition. (Affects Breacher Marines, Iron Warriors, and Centurion Siege Breakers)

Thankyu! Much appreciated.

How long does it take for a Tau to mature? I'm reading the 3rd edition codex and it describes the Fire caste as starting life as a line trooper, and if they survive 16 years they retire. Is this just a miscommunication on the writers end, or is your average fire warrior aged 0-4?

>>98476912
Non-ethereal Tau only live to about 40 years without rejuvenats. There's a bit in the farsight book where he as a trainee causes a scene in his academy, and he's about 4 years old, equivalent to an 8 year old human. Surviving 16 years after 8 years of training basically gives a tau 16 years of life left. It's like how the Romans did it, you signed up at 16 for a 20-year stint, leaving you in your late 30's by the end, and could sign up for another 20 year stint as an Evocatus.

>>98475405
I appreciate this attention to detail and respect for the lore, anon. That’s why I only use imperial units while discussing space missions and air conditioning.

One of my players threatened to kill me because I "retconned the soul out of 40k" in my game. All I've done is remove a few grimderp elements and it turned into a big argument after I told him this. What do I do about him? We're 3 sessions deep into rogue trader and he's the rogue trader player.

>>98478900
>All I've done is remove a few grimderp elements
Shit GM minimizes his own actions to make himself sound more reasonable. Many such cases. If you really were in the right, you wouldn't be afraid to explicitly tell us what you've done. Anyway, in the end the only solution is to get rid of him. Even if I think you suck, it's your game, and these things only get worse, not better.

>>98479058
>you wouldn't be afraid to explicitly tell us what you've done

All I've done so far is make servitors actual droids without actual AI, made servo skulls into robotic drones that resemble skulls rather than being actual skulls, and fixed all the grimderp battlefleet gothic shit (ships now have autoloaders instead of having weird age of sail manual cannon batteries, way smaller crews, gellar fields aren't powered by dreaming psyker batteries, they don't have to sacrifice someone to refuel the warp drive, etc). The players haven't really discovered the latter stuff or mentioned it, but the player in question got mad when he described prodding a servitor's fleshy bits when giving it an order and I said "they don't have fleshy bits, this servitors and all those around it look purely robotic" and he RP'd making some comment about "unique archeotech servitors" and I said "no, they're all like that, they're not lobotomized cyborg slaves in my game" and he got really fucking upset and it escalated from there. There's other changes I plan on making but I haven't ironed them out yet. I'll need to make sure I find another player to take over his role before actually formally removing him from the game, but it needs to be within a week, because he's basically told me he won't play anymore until I reverse my changes, which won't be happening. The other players seem more ambivalent, they're newbies to 40k.

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>>98479094
>you turn 40k into star wars like a retard instead of just running a star wars game, and not only that, you do it while introducing 40k to complete noobs
>the one player who is actually into 40k is understandably against this, because he signed up for a 40k game, not a star wars game
>when he gets mad about this, you argue back and some shit that you're obviously not mentioning happens that escalates the argument, resulting in your player "threatening to kill you," which you're probably exaggerating or just straight up lying about to garner sympathy on a mongolian basket weaving forum

kys

>>98479094
None of that is...oh, it's a troll post. You're trying to move the slippery slope of what real 40k is and cause another shitstorm.

>>98478900
Let him kill you or kill him. Simple problems require simple solutions.

>>98479094
>Actually went the Chinese SMT Demon censorship route for a real life tabletop game
That's hilarious
Is there a reason why you decided against showcasing the Imperium's inhumanity and failings when it comes to technology, or is it just too icky for your table?
Because I'm also running a table that's a mix of fans and newcomers and so far the newcomers had no issues with that stuff, but I asked them ahead of time to make sure anyway

>>98476947
Here I was convincing myself they were ready to start advancing towards firing positions right out of the womb. Them being ungulates could mean they're walking about from the moment that they're born.

>>98479151
This isn't star wars, it's 40k. There's no traveling through hell in star wars, or orks, or eldar, or chaos, or the Imperium, or any of that cool shit in star wars. I want to run a 40k game, and am running one, i just took out the stuff I find grimderp. It's MY game.

>>98479158
It's still 40k, see above.

>>98479170
Stop that.

>>98479209
Chinese?
>Is there a reason why you decided against showcasing the Imperium's inhumanity and failings when it comes to technology, or is it just too icky for your table?

Because what I've fixed is more than just that, it's grimderp. Servitors and servo-skulls LITERALLY be lobotomized cyborg slaves and actual skulls makes no logistical sense compared to just making them artificial robots, robots don't need AI to work. I've also taken into account that some servitors operate like AI if they do more complex tasks, so I've replaced those (such as bridge servitors) with mentats from Dune, that way it doesn't violate the AI ban the Imperium has. Also, any advanced behavior exhibited by servitors that have not a strip of organic matter in them (like mine) can be attritbuted to the fact that machine spirits exist in 40k, these robots are literally possessed by spirits. It's just grimderp for the Mechanicus, an otherwise logical faction, to use literal cyborg slaves when they can do this instead. Same goes for servo-skulls, they can just honor the human form with wholly artificial skulls instead of defacing dead bodies. It makes no sense that an otherwise logic-driven faction would do something like that, nevermind that it's so flagrantly fucking evil and stupid that nobody in their right mind would just accept it as a normal thing in everyday life.

As for the other stuff...what are you talking about? Manual macrocannons has been discussed thousands of times online, and the fandom consensus is that it's stupid and makes no sense, that's not a "failing when it comes to technology," it's just stupid. Humans are competent.

>>98479094

For those who don't realise, this appears to be that one guy who gets angry about other people not 40king the way he thinks 40k should be 40k'd, so he's making a fake scenario. His plan is for us all to agree his scenario isn't 40k, so he can "gotcha" us into supporting his argument.

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>It's still 40k, see above.
I wasn't sure, but now I'm CERTAIN this is a bait.
>>98479310
Seems to be the most likely scenario.

>>98479491
Are you saying my interpretation of 40k isn't "real 40k?"

>>98479310
That's dumb, because the only legitimate way to run 40k is my own idiosyncratic interpretation on the setting.

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>>98479170
This. Nut up and get murder ready OP. My money is on the fat guy who likes skulls desu but you should post bod and guns so we can evaluate your self defence chances.

>>98479094
Yeah, if any of that's true, that's really fucking lame. Play literally any other sci-fi setting instead.

>>98479310
While that is indeed faggy as hell if true, my opinion would be the same regardless. And I also think everyone else's interpretation of 40k is gay and wrong.

>>98479310
I hope he didn't waste too much time with this, that was time he could've used to actually plan and play a session

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>>98479512
I'm saying you're an obvious troll trying to get a gotcha.

>>98479310
Translation: wiki-man would support this faggot's homebrew "fixes" if he were actually in a game with him, so he makes up a schizo "it's fake! this guy's making it up for some reason!" post to indirectly criticize people calling the faggot retarded and put a stop to it so his feelings don't get hurt

What are the "big sins" that the Ecclesiarchy would preach against? Trying to form a backbone to my theology for when religious characters need to spout chatter, to set scenes and the like.

>>98479094
average midwit who complains about "grimderp" be like

>>98479970
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Thought_for_the_day
Grab a Thought and sprinkle it in somewhere

>>98479983
This stuff is all grimderp, anon.

>>98480006
Oh, then I guess uh
"Say no to racism!"

>>98480006
Hang yourself or something.

>>98479983
"A small mind is a tidy mind."
This explains why the Imperium is so monumentally retarded.

>>98479305
>the Mechanicus, an otherwise logical faction
lmao, good one
Anyway, if anyone actually does run a game with changes from the established norms the important thing is to tell the players beforehand so they can make an informed decision on whether to play with you or not. If everyone actually wants to play My Little Sororitas: Flamers Are Magic, go ahead.

Are there underwater hive cities? I know about the upside down one and the mobile one but I want to run a game that would let me mix a hive city with Rapture from Bioshock. Maybe replacing Adam with a drug that temporarily gives someone psyker powers.

>>98480666
I can only imagine that in some places they build downwards, seems like an Imperium-coded thing to me.

>>98480666
It isn't like it couldn't exist satan, but you'd also need to layer on why it is down there too since that'd help develop it. Given the source material, actually having it be an RT's pet project would be a good explanation.
>Maybe replacing Adam with a drug that temporarily gives someone psyker powers.
You mean Spook?

What's some decent virtual table top software for something like dark heresy?

And where do you find people that aren't too soft for grimdark? Looking for games on roll20 it's all "nontoxic, friendly, LGBT2Q+" etc.

>>98480739
>roll20
Well there's your problem, that site is a hugbox

>>98480698
Hive city built on a world that later gets an ice age and then the ice melts?

>>98480756
Yeah but the only decent people I've found were IRL and on discord via word of mouth. And by discord I mean actually small tight nit groups, not those 3000+ servers of bots or afk mc nobodys.

>>98480760
That'd massive if not total destruction of the hive city once it reaches the bottom. Having it built on the bottom first would make more sense especially if an RT's warrant has one of those clauses where they have to step foot on land and declare it for the emperor.

>>98480889
It would take a very, VERY long time for all that ice to melt. Really only the stinky lower hive poors would be in trouble by the slowly filling bone chilling water combined with all the toxins the lower levels are filled with. Maybe next time have the decency to be upper spire born. Maybe you can make a floating hovel from used corpse starch cans and corpses.

>>98480756
>Well there's your problem, that site is a hugbox
Awesome, now how about you actually suggest an alternative.

>>98480666
Thracian Primaris has hives with underwater sections I think, its been a long time since I read the Eisenhorn series but I think the Ocean House they had was in one or something similar.

hey guys, only war gm anon here
last session nothing much happened, but THIS session, a lot did
they prepared a big ambush for the orks, culminating in them dropping a building on the orks, blowing up a bunch of trucks, warbuggies, and deffkoptas, and even a looted tank. then they did a hasty fighting retreat, gunning down orks and blowing up a few more vehicles before finally getting to the final point, a bridge they had to cross before it was blown up to cut off the orks

the whole party managed it, but unfortunately the other two squads of guardsmen with them were either turned to paste by a tank shell or bogged down by orks and sacrificed before the bulk of the ork forces could cross the bridge and ruin everything. they will be missed (maybe).
very happy with how things turned out, everyone felt pretty useful and had fun and I had fun

i would post an image of something i made, but apparently my IP range can't post images, so have a catbox link if it works https://files.catbox.moe/x9ja94.png

>>98476497
Honour of the Banner, GBA p.105

>The Legionary and allies within the squad each gain an additional point of Renown at the conclusion of a successful mission. However, if the Herald is forced to burn fate to live during the mission, the Legionary and allies within the squad reduce the amount of Renown received at the conclusion of a mission, to a minimum of zero.

How much is the Renown reduced? One each per fate point burned?

>>98481193
Yeah, should be reduced by 1 per fate burned, I'll fix this within the hour.

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I updated it in the Mega. God save pdftk to transfer bookmarks.

The Good, the Bad, and the Alpha Legion (v.1.12.17)
Changelog:
>Legion Herald "Honor of the Banner" now correctly states it loses one renown per Fate Point burnt at the conclusion of the mission.

I also added something else to the Mega - rules for a Tzaangor in Black Crusade. It was something I made years ago, and I was planning on doing more, but I didn't have the time.

>>98481427
Much appreciated! I'll update the wiki presently.

>>98481017
Jolly good krumping!

What are reasonable character aspirations in Imperium Maledictum or the other older FFG games? The power scale seems to be firmly into unremarkable disposable regular humans and my D&D-brained table wants to try it out. I just want to get a sense of what a character would look like if you really hustled and saved up or took advantage of any opportunity to make money and connections, how "big" could your character make it in terms of wealth and power? A mansion in a cushy Pleasure World? A personal voidship you can use during shore leave?

>>98480666
There can be any fucking thing you like. At least up to the point of something so big or important it's weird no one in canon mentions it, like functional megastructures.

>>98482753
They have those too, to a very limited extent. The Ring of Iron, or the entirety of Ryza, or the orkish/necron battle planetoids.
There's definitely a place for old abandoned ones being rediscovered and ruined by the fighting to reclaim them, though.

>>98482677
Kind of depends on where you start. A Hive Scum's motivation could be to become a legend or a crimeboss of the local underworld or to get himself in some better social position. Meanwhile a Space Marine will care more about dilligently serving the Emperor, perfecting his skills and achieving glory for himself and his chapter.
A regular person in a correct career path (usually one of the adepta, but not necessarily) can theoretically rise to a decently respectable, influential and comfortable position, but it takes lots of luck, skill and political manoeuvring

>>98471727
YES.
That was an actual thumper.
I'mma pour one out for my homie Barry real quick.

>>98482919
>Hive Scum's motivation could be to become a legend or a crimeboss of the local underworld or to get himself in some better social position
I'm still a lorelet when it comes to 40k so if some hive scum got picked out to be an acolyte and worked for the =][= and managed to survive a few years to the point where he's got his own gang and his own base of operations, is that still low enough in the power scale to be bossed around by an inquisitor to do his dirty work along with the other acolytes, or is it more of a "an inquisitor can boss around almost anyone as long as he's got the proper leverage" situation?

>>98480739
>What's some decent virtual table top software for something like dark heresy?
Callidia group plays on roll20 and it's functional.

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>>98483043
If he's not yet rosetted and officially recognised as a full-fledged Inquisitor, he's still de jure beholden to an Inquisitor's sway, if not protected by his own Inquistor handler and if not connected enough to dismiss the summons. The Inquisition stands above and apart from all others, officially, but as with anything in the Imperium, de facto power is everything.

>>98483043
In theory an inquisitor has carte blanche to execute anybody he likes on the spot.
In practice people tend to object violently.
Nobody is immune on paper.
And the inquisition has the right to just requisition imperial agents and equipment, so if an inquisitor wants you dead, and his acolytes fail to remove the problem surgically, he could literally just collar the local PDF garrison to declare war on you with tanks and aircraft.
Or Space Marines, Sororitas.
Dabbling with Chaos shit?
He might even get the Grey Knights to do a visitation.
Presumably them Custodians have some form of immunity to inquisitorial bs, being the bodyguards of the emperor, but all their recent developments have been gay and I don't think about them much.
They shoulda stayed in the palace.

>>98483043
"Power scale" is completely the wrong way to think of it. An Inquisitor has huge formal power within the Imperium's institutions, but that's not enough to get anything done. A rosette that says you can boss around a planetary governor doesn't save you if it's easier for the governor to cover up having you killed.
Why would a gang leader do what an Inquisitor wants? Well it's pretty easy for them to sic the Arbites or a rival gang on them for a start. Or they might be paid for it. Or they might consider themselves a loyal Imperial subject, or owe a favour, or be convinced it's in his interest anyway.

>>98483078
>>98483069
>>98483065
Thank you for the responses, after reading more of the patron factions in Imperium Maledictum is it fair to say working for Rogue Traders and Inquisitors offer the most variety and freedom both from the perspective of creating adventures from the GM side and for thinking about how to develop your characters player side? I mean it would make sense since they also have their own books, I imagine if a table would be working for the IG or Navy it would be more limiting in terms of what happens in the game.

>>98483260
Inquisitors are probably the easiest because it's simple to to get them interested in any particular mission. But in general any patron will have shit they want done but can't involve their conventional forces. And their interests don't always have to align with their official position.

>>98483058
It's functional, certainly, but it's still only automating a few things and making sheets easier to write. It's still a pain in the ass.
>t. Callidianon's GM

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Here's a question for peeps. When you're looking at starships in Rogue Trader, what is a signifier to you that immediately says to you "This ship type is best in its class", ex. best Raider, best Frigate, etc? Do you look at raw stats? Do you look for unique qualities inherent to the hull? Maybe a ship can do something no other ships of its class can do? I'd like to hear examples of what other peeps look for.

For instance, when I look at Raiders, I personally identify the Shrike as best because it has a quality Advanced Cogitator Linkage that makes it more effective in combat over other Raiders. Alternatively, when I look at Light Cruisers, I identify the Secutor as best because not only can it 3-tap certain fire arcs, something no other cruiser can do, it can also equip components other cruisers cannot. If I look at Grand Cruisers, I identify the Corinus/Repulsive as best because it can 4-tap in certain directions with the capability of fielding a varied weapon loadout compared to other grand cruisers.

What makes a voidship "best" in your eyes, and where do you draw the line that says "this is too much"?

>>98485245
Space available is always what gets me. More room for broken archeotech stuff.

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>>98472489
A dormant macrobeest awakens!

>>98485272
This. It's actually at the point that at my table I've had all ships have their Space determined by class, because otherwise they just gunned for the most Space they could get without too many downsides every single time. This way they at least look at the other hulls.

>>98485245
Capability gaps. What does this do that other hulls of its class can't? Is it faster, larger, tougher, does it have more weapon mounts or space? Is there anything this lacks that other hulls have - again, speed, armor, hull integrity, weapon mounts, and yes, space?
It's a complicated calculus, because there's no one right answer. Everything is important, and a dump stat anywhere is a grievous vulnerability or an impossible hurdle. Lacking an obvious malus, you have to weigh the various benefits to see if anything sticks out. I'd take +1 speed over +1 armor over +1 space, but I might take +5 space over +1 armor, or +10 over +1 speed. It really depends what the strengths of the hull are and what I could turn it into.

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Long story short my ship is running out of food due to an Orc attack destroying the area where the food was stored. We jumped into an area that fought off a hive fleet. Can you eat tyranid meat? Don't care about taste just want to know if its edible.

>>98486234
>Can you eat tyranid meat?
No, because the meat is tyranids all the way down, and the tyrannophages will kill you.

>>98486234
Maybe it you super carbonized it.

>>98485245
space, literally nothing else matters but space

Is it okay to be furious at a group for electing someone they "know better" to GM the game instead of you, so much so that you refuse to play because you do not trust anyone else to GM a 40k rpg correctly?

>>98471167
Which rulebook to learn the setting

>>98488829
imperium maledictum

>>98488829
The lore section in the core rulebook for the wargame. 6th edition had a nice one. But core rulebook for any RPG will also work, especially Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader or Imperium Maledictum. And lurking the wikis

>>98488829
The tabletop wargame core book.

>>98485245
Space. Space on ships is the only thing that matters. Literally anything else - power, weapons, special rules - can be replaced by a ship component, but if you don't have space, then you can't fit those components in.

>>98488819
It's okay to have feelings anon. Just treat others with respect even when you're angry.

>>98488829
Codex Imperialis from 2e. The lore in the RPGs kind of sucks actually.

Not the classic 40k rpg but still applies. I'm soon going to play a Wrath And Glory game with some friends, some are pretty hardcore fans who've been in the hobby for years, but theres a couple who are interested but have only really played a few of the recent 40k video games. Any reccomendations on the best way to speed run the lore so they'll be on the same page and can enjoy the game and hobby more?

>pitch rogue trader to my table
>they want to be all rogue no trading
sometimes that really how it be in this bitch of an earth

>>98489943
What manner of pitiable existence is it that knows not the ecstasy of gold, that feels nary a hint of crave toward lucre?

>>98489991
some people just wanna play 40k as DnD.

Rogue Traders are crap.

>>98488829
This
>>98489187 >6th edition had a nice one
3rd was good too.
Inquisitor rulebook's good too.

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>>98489829
Just send them pic related, part of playing in the setting is playing as someone who is largely ignorant about the galaxy they live in. If they've played the vidya they will pick up on the most basic stuff just by osmosis.

>>98490369
Yeah true. We are playing Space Marines so I think they would have a better general understanding of the Galaxy but they have all played Space Marine 2 so should be fine.

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>kinollidia dual wwielding pistols is so cool that the gm now decided our mysterious ass lord inquisitor also does it

>>98490590
Space Marine 2 is capeshit. They will need more than that.

>>98490590
Read a few more blurbs in codecies and Deathwatch about marines and their general goings about, especially from the WanG space marine books, and you should be okay to at least give them a decent understanding

>>98490590
>they have all played Space Marine 2 so should be fine.
So they only know Space Marine caricatures. Great.

>>98491470
For their first game caricature can be alright. Everyone starts as John Fighterman or some similar "I want to play Legolas/Gimli/Aragorn" type copy of something else.

>>98491778
>Everyone starts as John Fighterman or some similar "I want to play Legolas/Gimli/Aragorn" type copy of something else.
If they suck, sure.

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>>98490590
Pic related will help them understand the general demeanor or Marines and how they interact with the Imperium. Other than that, have them read about the extra organs and gene seeds.

>>98491782
>If someone is unused to the setting and plays a stereotype they suck
Can you sound any more bitter?

>>98491805
>Can you sound any more bitter?
I probably could, but it's late and my heart isn't in it

You guys lied to me, Wrath and Glory is fun as hell.

You guys lied to me. Imperium Maledictum is better than Dark Heresy.

>>98489943
I had a group like that, but fortunately they were actually really great at the rogue'ing part and general adventuring/intriguing and roleplay, so it was still a pretty sweet campaign. I just gave them a very dedicated npc seneschal to handle all of the actual trade empire stuff

>>98492254
>Imperium Maledictum is better than Dark Heresy.
This but unironically, IM is really good.

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Also our GM made cutesy Heroforge characters for everyone
>>98490781
My Rogue Trader dual wields too, lasgauntlet in one hand and a hand cannon in the other. Hoping for endgame to end up with a bolt pistol in one and a plasma pistol in the other.

>>98492209
The people who say that specific systems suck tend to be grogs who don't like change.
Most people sticking to older systems but don't hate others just have autism and stick to it out of familiarity.

>>98492209
Shit, I’ve been saying that for a while. I’ve run DW and RT before. My group prefers WNG, simple as. I prefer it as well.

>>98492745
I’ve busted a few haters here for never even having tried it. I’m not sure what possesses someone to think like that. The thing is, I don’t hate the FFG games. I’ve had a lot of fun with those games and I continue to use their adventures, which were objectively better written than the C7 garbage. It’s the C7 game mechanics that I prefer. It just plays very well.

>>98493091
I've heard that the first few C7 adventures published were good but that they went downhill ever since, which is really odd. Something about a servitor factory dungeon being the best one they ever made?

>>98492209
I really like how armour and wounds work. Making it hard for a weapon to get though armor. But when it does it hurts a lot.

>>98492653
>Also our GM made cutesy Heroforge characters for everyone
Describe them then.

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>>98492653
From left to right:
>Pul'Pot
Amnesiac Tau found by the group and manipulated into helping us, loves preaching about the greater good when he can get away with it, doesn't remember that he's from the Farsight Enclaves(man that's gonna be a fun twist, we can really play around with it because the girl playing him doesn't know shit about the setting so we can flash the logos and stuff and have her learn piece by piece)
>Esteemed Lord Captain Godwinne D'Argenval
Our titular Rogue Trader and my character. Unbelievably spoiled teenage fuckup and firstborn son and heir to an extremely powerful noble family. Only here because his family expects him to quickly get himself killed so they can put his little brother on the throne.
>Polly Gonnadieyung
Godwinne's personal attendant. Feeling depressed, sour, and extremely unhappy with the candidates his dogshit crew offered, he just offhandedly ordered "just find me the woman with the biggest tits, all she has to do is carry my Amasec and look pretty". Everyone is surprised she has lived this long since Godwinne hides behind her in gunfights.
>Cornelius
Maximillian's court jester and personal attendant. Basically just a random guy he grabbed and brought with him while fleeing his palace in the middle of the night. In addition to being entertaining, has turned out to be an absolute fucking hero despite all of us treating him like shit.
>Count Maximillian Andreas Heinrich Maria Ferdinand von Rugalough, First of his name, heir apparent to the Duchy of Anorea-Gothenburg, Count of Mazurany, Head of the church of Neuostmark, lord protector of the Midland counties, and servant of the emperor
Our seneschal. Old friend of Godwinne, comes from an incredibly minor noble family(dont tell him that) in a backwater. Madly in love with his younger cousin, but due to him being a crazy fuckup she decided to break the betrothal. The laws of his world state she has to do that in person, so he just fled offworld before she could reach him.

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>>98493483
meant to reply to >>98493384
Lastly, our Navigator, Xanatov Vindigroth. He "heroically took the fall for a younger navigator in a scandal that would have ended his career." Widely considered untrustworthy, Godwinne was very quick to take him on to his new crew as he was immediately convinced that his family would never use a man this unreliable as a spy. Formerly a suave smooth talking gentleman, IMMEDIATELY mutated HARD, now a horrifying frog man with a 100 in intimidation. Has very mixed feelings about that. Absolute beast in a fight and our ace in the hole, recently was key to busting us out of a Drukhari prison.
Probably a little insane, no longer has the authority to execute crew members after he abused it too much.

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There's something that smells sloppish in the Imperium Maledictum adventure in the starter set. Maybe I'm just too slop-brained but the way the locations and characters are named and their little blurbs in pic rel give me pause. Also the main location being called the Cathedrum of Rationed Beneficence was what rang the alarm bells for me.

>>98493789
>Scribus

I need something for my Emperor's Children Space Marine to do. What would happen if he tried to snort the dust of a Thousand Son legionnaire?

>>98493906
Silicosis. And the eternal enmity of TSons warbands. And it might reanimate in your lungs and possess YOUR armor.

>>98493510
Heh.
>>98493483
>mutated into horrible frogman
>slop makes his face generic handsome
I noticed this too, slop machines always force same handsome and/or anime face until you go overboard with description of ugliness or old age.
When I tried to make a sloppa with my ~40 y.o. character, I either got 20 y.o. youngin' or 60 y.o. raisin with no in-between.
>>98493906
FFG games have drugs that temporarily give the user random psychic powers, you can use those tables.

>>98493144
We haven’t done that one. By memory, we started with bloody gates, jumped over to grim harvest, then did wings of valkyries, shards of ul khari, lord of the spire, pilgrims of the wastes, and the scrap grab as an ork one-off that’s going to turn into a separate campaign due to player demand. The only one that ran in a somewhat logical fashion without significant effort from the GM was grim harvest. The scrap grab was incomplete to the point of being little more than an outline, but I knew that going in and was actually looking to see if I could still wing a complete session from mental notes only, so that was fine. In one of this is a problem for an experienced GM that’s familiar with the lore but I can see someone new getting badly tripped up. Also, the occasional gender swap from he/she to them/they strongly suggests multiple writers working on each title with no internal style guide and very poor editing.

Interestingly enough, we all had the most fun with scrap grab, but I suspect that this had far more to do with playing as orks than anything else. Everyone likes orks. And yes, I did enforce a rule that all in character speech had to be done like proppa orkses, no muckin about allowed.

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>>98494575
Wrangling this shit to be functional is fucking maddening, i had to choose between him looking generically handsome and him looking like a featureless blob. It also constantly makes Godwinne into an old man because of his light hair instead of an albino, refuses to keep his scarred eye looking the way it should, turns Pul Pot human, and wont give Polly big enough Gazongas. I'd kill half my (non officers) crew for a good drawfag joining the party. It feels like they're way less common now than they used to be, and not just because of AI, they started becoming rare in like 2018-2019 in my experience.

>>98492209
Yeah I've got some issues with it mostly in balance and how it can get a little shallow in places, and overall I prefer the character building of the FFG games, but for a certain type of game WANG can't be beat.

Do you think Warhammer 40k would work without chaos? Just Human vs xeno, no warp or anything related to it?

>>98497868
Might be able to pull it off if you don't think about it at all and just run with what looks cool non-stop like SpaceKing but that's harder to do with ttrpgs because we end up having to explain and detail things more than for a wargame.
Could go the other way and make it more like generic scifi human empire power armour stuff, there's lots of that, Starship Troopers to Helldivers to Gates of Antarees to that one I forget but has several videos, shit. they basically look like master chief. Anyway.
Do you still want the religious overtones?

>>98497868
I mean depending on what specifically you're doing yeah. You could do an Only War campaign without any chaos if you're only fighting xenos and rebels. Travel would be hard if you're trying to avoid the warp entirely but eh

>>98497868
No. The setting was built around humanity and chaos. Removing one half of that equation makes it generic.

>>98498115
>Travel would be hard if you're trying to avoid the warp entirely but eh
Nah, plenty of warp travel goes by unimpeded and without demonic incursion. They just like to highlight when it goes awry because that's most entertaining.

>>98497240
>mostly in balance
How so? Not disagreeing, just curious.
>a little shallow in places
The lack of (debatably unnecessary) granularity?

>>98481427

GBA page 117

>OVERSEER’S RETINUE
>Attachment to a Legion Overseer was seen as both symbolic and practical for mortal auxilia forces. When taking the Consul Overseer specialization, apply the benefits your Legion grants, listed below, to your Auxilia Strategic Assets. All abilities apply only to Solar Auxilia Infantry Strategic Assets purchased and used by the Overseer.

It says "When taking the Consul Overseer specialization", but should it say "when taking the Overseer's Retinue talent" instead? You only get these benefits when purchasing this talent, and you don't have to get the talent when you become an Overseer.

>>98498166
I meant if he wanted to leave the warp out entirely as a concept, but yeah I can see what you mean specifically.

>>98498150
To be entirely real the first Rogue Trader book didn't feature Chaos at all until a splatbook added it, and you can tell compelling narratives without the use of chaos.
Is it one of the more unique parts of Warhammer in all three of its' settings? 100% But it's not a thing that you need to include wholesale in every story.

>>98498534
To clarify, I mean the 1987 Rogue Trader book not the rpg books that came later. Chaos was first added in the '88 book Slaves to Darkness

>>98498534
Rogue Trader and 2nd edition are 40k's growing pains, the setting as we know it today didn't really coalesce until 3rd edition.

>>98497868
Psykers are so central to 40k that it would not work. Even the xenos are defined by their psykers. You'd just be throwing away nearly half of all lore.

>>98498581
3rd edition marked the point at which Warhammer started going downhill.

>>98498581
Right but you get what I mean when I say that you can straight up run an RPG game and not use chaos if you focus on other/the right things, yeah?

How powerful are Gork and Mork in relation to the Chaos gods? They don't feed on most of the galaxy like the Chaos Gods do but they are the only ones who feed off the Orcs so where do they sit power scale wise?

>>98499063
There are only stories about G&M kicking the other gods' asses. Orks fight and win.

>>98499063
Orks are the most psychic race in the galaxy by far and cannot even comprehend their gods having trouble in a fight. Gork and Mork wipe the floor with absolutely everyone but each other

>>98499063
Gork and Mork are too busy fighting each other to give a shit. Even when they got tardwrangled like in AoS and kicked the shit out of Chaos eventually they got bored, ripped themselves back into two separate gods and started beating the shit out of each other and also things around them. Trying to powerscale is just retarded though. It's a book, whoever they want to win will win.

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While rolling my expanse, I just generated a Non-Imperial Human civilization and an alliance of Xenos Species that are unambiguously the good guys according to the dice chart. No, I'm not kidding: these Xenos are egalitarian Star Trek Ayyys and the humans are a democratic society with a xenophilic bent. I'm reading pic related in preparation for the future campaign and what my table will encounter.

>>98499810
k.

>>98499810
>egalitarian Star Trek Ayyys
>good guys

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>>98499840

>>98499840
Hence why I'm reading Humanity Lost. The theme will probably be lost on the table who will just be slaughtering Xenos, but they are truly the villains. And they won't realize it which is the best part of it all. 40k games get interesting when they go off the rails, like I'm watching a documentary about the Stanford Prison Experiment or the Unabomber in Tabletop form.

>>98499850
>>98499853
Not in 40k. They're going straight to hell.

>>98498581
>dissing 1st and 2nd edition despite modern BL books making explicit references to the original Realm of Chaos books, reaffirming that they are largely still canon

You are israeli.

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>>98500035
This is going to be a fun experiment.

>>98499177
I'd argue the old ones if any still exist. Or humanity by virtue of the chaos gods considering their material manifestations.

>>98499810
Imperium of Man vs. the United Federation of Planets

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>>98500635
I actually think the 'all Xenos are le bad' thing is a product of Nu40k because, for some apparent reason, new players needed the Imperium to be 'right' despite earlier rulebooks often sounding so propagandistic in tone, they were frequently well past the point of parody. The first edition of Rogue Trader even had the Imperium as a satire of Authoritarianism with over-the-top character designs evocative of Rifts or Teenage Mutant Ninja fucking Turtles of all things. Look at pic related for Christ's sake. That is the most over the top Space Marine, like something Captain Marvel or Hulk would beat up in an old comic book.

The comic you posted, Humanity Lost, was even partly inspired by 40k. The author wanted to show what the Imperium looked like through the eyes of an Alien and he completely succeeded.

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>>98500994
What's fascinating about Humanity Lost is how it's clearly a play on 40k. Here Humanity, also called the Imperium, is the dominant faction. They're massive and virtually unstoppable, united by a psionic God whose presence can be felt through the galaxy. But in order to achieve perfection, the God AI called 'Mother,' genetically engineered mankind to be the ultimate being capable of beating back the Alien Conglomerate just like a certain someone.

The entire comic is clearly inspired by 40k, and the HFY that permeates Science Fiction.

>>98501086
I've never heard of this. Is it grim dark like 40k? How deep does the parody/inspiration go?

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>>98500635
erm akshually ,the guards were told to act cruel in the experiment

>>98498805
NTA
I think it would be hard to do without also scraping out psychers and the danger the are to everyone around them and making flt really boring.
Warp entities escaping into the material realm and demonic possession was there from the start.

>>98500994
>all Xenos are le bad' thing is a product of Nu40k
It absolutely is. As a service to our newfrens and lorelets I'll bring up Illiyan Nastase from the old lore. Many of you will have to Google that name and that's fine. Illiyan was a half eldar who
>became an astronaut
>eventually became chief librarian of the ultramarines
>held rank and wore power armor but was not actually an ultramarine despite being chief librarian
>did I mention that he was half eldar?
Yeah, the lore was something else back then.

>>98503178
>astronaut
>astropath
Goddamn it I hate phoneposting.

>>98503178
>Many of you will have to Google that name and that's fine.
Not anymore. Illiyan Nastase came back in the Dawn of Fire books...as a full-blood aeldari assistant to Roboute Guilliman. The two respect one another.

>>98503509
Somehow that makes even less sense than the RT version.

>>98503523
He was appointed by Eldrad to coordinate a joint military campaign on a specific front, and stuck around because his talents as a Farseer were too valuable for Guilliman to reject. He and his honor guard stuck around for like 300 years and kept Guilliman from doing retarded things like dueling the Silent King or making daemonhost attack dogs.

>>98503538
>making daemonhost attack dogs.
u wot

>>98503544
In Dark Imperium book 3, Guilliman had the Grey Knights make a daemonhost to learn more about Mortarion's bullshit. It caused him to lose the loyalty of the grey knights because they didn't like it. This gave Guilliman the knowledge to enter the warp and job to Mortarion but allowed the Emperor to scorch part of Nurgle's garden and halt the then-active nurgle push...allowing Khorne to rise ascendant and start bullshit on armageddon.

>>98502259
Sure, they were. And even if they had, they still could've acted against them which to me, is one of the darkest takeaways by far.

>>98503723
No, he's correct. It's a bunk experiment that doesn't actually prove anything and isn't relevant to anything, and bringing it up in public discourse despite that is either irresponsible or completely pointless. Empty noise except for the vague possibility of harm by promoting falsehoods.

>>98498406
The pricing on a lot of talents is sorta wonky, and XP can be kind of tight in the system. Put another way, 1000xp can make a character instantly busted, or make it seem like they spent nothing at all. My group tends to reevaluate prices a lot. I'm also not a huge fan of how the character building math works out because of the skill pyramid - I think they made skills cheaper once, but personally I think if they want to keep the skill pyramid they need to be made even cheaper.

>The lack of (debatably unnecessary) granularity?
Mostly rank and tier ascension. They're sorta wonky with how you move between them, and if you follow the book of increasing rank based on playtime, you basically have guardsmen going from good sprinters to running at mach 10 in just a few in-game hours. That's not really a BAD thing, mind you, but I've never met a group that actually gets a lot done in our fourish hour sessions.

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Do Space Marines put sexy women or any other typical art on their ships? I'm trying to come up with something for my Ultra Marines to put on tanks, ships, whatever but can't think of what would make sense.

>>98505484
Favored or relevant quotes from the codex.

>>98505484
>Do Space Marines put sexy women or any other typical art on their ships?
Space marines are nearly entirely sexless indoctrinated chuds, so no.

>>98505767
Looks great, and welcome to the RPG thread. /40kg/ is down the hall.

>>98505790
Well shit, I need to learn to read.

hello i am indian

>>98503947
The purpose of bringing it up is to bitch about the creation of ethics review boards and how science is now handicapped by retards going "this feels icky".

>>98505484
Put a hot SoB

>>98505484
The Imperium in general seems to like slapping grandiose murals on things. Like on the cover of Horus Rising, one of the marines has what looks like a faded painting of an angel on one pauldron. Astartes are warrior monks, part of their free time might be dedicated to making art to decorate their shit with. But nothing as banal as a sexy woman, that's for ordinary humans.

>>98505484
May I propose some artful ossuary of the chapter's enemies, with banners of their cured hide?

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>>98505484
As long as it's cool and relevant to the chapter's culture

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Bros.. *coughs blood*

New immersive RP video of an inquisitor rifling through "buried" Necron apocrypha (3e lore). Spoopy. I'm tryna get my voice more natural, it's a WIP but hopefully I can get there. Also RP acting that isn't cringe.

https://youtu.be/u-Zk4CE9B4E

How do you guys during role-play do voices? Can any of you act your characters well?

>>98505484
Maybe a female saint, but sexy babes doesn't fit the pit of sexless martial autism that are Space Marines.

>>98506988
i cant do any voice except for vaguely country or my mutant/gollum voice
my players love the mutant voice but it kinda hurts to do and also we're not fighting mutants anymore

>>98506988
Intonation and mic quality is more important. I also like to use the trick of a catch phrase or specific slogan to refresh my memory about the character. Ogryns are my favorite ones because you can just keep your tongue on one side and just forrest gump lines whilst being cheeky at key moments for humor.

>>98506988
I just try to ape voices and lines from dawn of war

>>98506988
I put on a general bri'ish accent but also try to pepper in as much 40kism terminology as I can. Cogitators, ascenders instead of elevators, talking about the Emperor and holy throne a lot, etc. Darktide banter has helped a lot honestly

What are your headcanons for the mysteries of the Ethereals. I'm in the early stages of putting together a DW campaign dealing with Tau and am chewing on lore. A batshit theory of mine is that each Ethereal is a shard of the Outsider, whose isolation and regret caused it to turn a leaf and want to do good.

>>98488819
No, they should probably kick you outright.

>>98505484
only marines malevolent do nose art

I'm looking for low impact ways to 'enhance' high xp pcs with awarded talents. Or ideas for those talents. For example, letting a psyker have sanctified on all his attacks and claiming they truedeath daemons - congrats, you're a baby godling or channel the emperor or whatever. If I had a null instead I'd probably let them do some sort of soul eating like the space marines do with brains for tiny bits of information, but I don't. The tech priest has a nanohive that slowly repairs all his gear and acts as a juvenat treatment. Stuff that's nice to have but doesn't actually impact gameplay.

Ideas for other stuff for the 'normies' in the crowd? I don't want to just say "oh here's your volkite archeotech btw" while feting the other two. Shit, I'll take ideas for the tech priest and psyker if you've got some for the future.

>>98508773
>psyker causes true death
That is not low impact. Not in the slightest.

>>98509094
Unless they're fighting off recurring daemonic opponents - and they aren't - it isn't for the campaign. Congratulations, the nurgling isn't coming back. Its the others Im worried about any way.

>>98509094
A psyker according to base game Dark Heresy is capable of it with Holocaust.

>>98508075
Off topic but what is their problem? What with them being such dicks? How did that become their thing?

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>>98509194
Rumours of loyalist iron warrior or other violent brutal geneseed. They do have hazard stripes but that wasn't uncommon with earlier warhammer.
Evidence of limited logistical capacity with old gear and scavenging actions.
Edgy might makes right 110% collateral damage was still cool in the late 90s early 2000s.
Having a fun foil for Salamanders.
ancap color scheme

>>98509141
Fair enough, obviously you know what's in store for them more than anything else.

>>98509142
Yeah but that is one specific power and unless I'm mistaken it only works specifically on the killing blow and is a risk to the allies. This is every power.
Overall I don't actually care but it is a bit beyond low impact.

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>>98508075
Are stats for the MM in deathwatch, official or homebrew?

>>98509540
No official stats, but I'm sure there's a homebrew for them somewhere.

2 questions about Terra:
How does a person get to meet the Emperor? What steps are needed for those not being fed to the Throne?
Do the Sister of Silence use standard American Sign Language or something else?

In my game a noble woman (one of my players) in saw a pysker perform and asked if he was available for her son's birthday party. Can they do that? Put on "magic shows" at children's parties?

>>98510609
Absolutely. Just... you can imagine how fucked you are if you make the massive mistake of summoning a daemon at a noble scion's birthday party.

>>98510609
There are definitely minor effects that might be shown off, or something like, fuck if I know, "electrocute this serf for my amusement" by a noble brat demanding the psyker do it, but like the other guy said there's chance of phenomenally poor outcomes.

>>98510611
I’d imagine that everyone at the party would fucked to some degree, especially after the Inquisition hears about it.

>>98510558
>How does a person get to meet the Emperor?
You don't.
>What steps are needed for those not being fed to the Throne?
KYS.
>Do the Sister of Silence use standard American Sign Language or something else?
Their own handsigns that they and their attached handlers created and understand.
Now kys.
>>98510609
Let's see what the Book of Judgment has to say about that.

>>98510609
The issue becomes actually requisitioning a psyker for that. Good luck getting an astropath or a primaris prayer for you to just fuck around with, especially if by "noble" you are just some backwater world's nobility and not even an imperial commander. I mean, if you have the resources to bribe the right people, but psykers are one resource the Imperium does not like to fuck around with, it's one of their big resources they derive the most power from.

>>98471385
I built out a Rank 8 Deathwatch Watch Captain Librarian who ended up with a smattering of 6Xs with two 7Xs and a 5X in something he wasn't the best in.

>>98475997
I don't think DH2e has any but if you grab Only War (which uses the same 1.5e ruleset that started in Black Crusade) you can use the premades in the adventures Salvaging Solace or Eleventh Hour to run some combats, just don't use the Ogryn or Ratlings. You can just swap some of the skills around.

>>98511589
You can actually meet the Emperor physically. It's extremely rare but it happens. Hector Rex did it. So the answer is extremely special circumstances. Now, you kill yourself.

>>98510558
Very very carefully like renegade inquisitor Jaq or be some sort of saintly figure like Guilliman or Alicia Dominica.
>>98511589
>How does a person get to meet the Emperor?
>You don't.
>WE ARE PAINFULLY ALONE

>>98481427

GBA page 177, the last line of the Catulan Reaver description is cut off and not visible.

>>98481427

Actually, a lot of pages have their last lines cut off. Looks like something went wrong in the newest PDF. Unless somehow there's an issue on my end, but I don't think that's how PDFs work. Eh, what do I know.

Anyway, you have two different talents called Sudden Strike. One on page 186, one on page 88.

>>98512904
Same issue with Assassin's Shot.

my meq has 6 toughness 2 wounds and a 3+ save

I have now completed my first pass at making an article for every talent in The Good, The Bad, and The Alpha Legion!

https://shaso-40k-ffg-expansions.fandom.com/wiki/Talents

There are a small handful of talents that don't have articles for a few reasons. There are also some talents that share names, so I've decided to make them share articles for the time being. Still, this is a solid resource for 90% of talents.

Next: Doing the same thing to all the new Psychic Powers.

Anyone know how to use wiki bots for automating some tasks?

Would a possessed cult champion make a good one-shot antagonist for a combat focused “Kill team” session of Dark Heresy?

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How do I get a 40k GF?

>>98513257
First get yourself a 40K BF, then get him into video game speedrunning.

>>98513267
jej

>>98513257
I don't care how many larping e-girls GW hires, I'm still pirating all of my books

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A new version of GBAL is now on the Mega.
https://mega.nz/folder/ouxCVIJD#ZdGQx36Dg4I3GfM7-kyoYw

The Good, the Bad, and the Alpha Legion (v1.13.8)
Changelog:
>Fixed numerous typos
>Fixed numerous instances of text boxes cut off
>Excindio Killbot now has 25 fellowship, so it can use its Deceive skill
-That's a 25% chance of tricking a retard into letting it go wild
>Cortex Controller now mentions regular Domitars alongside the Ferrum variety.
>Clarified the Machinator Array cybernetic replaces the identically-named talent.
>The Gal Vorbak Tzeentch Gift that gives him Psy 4 can now also boost existing psy by 4.
-The Gal Vorbak was designed at a time where the 1kSons were the only Legion that could get psychic bullshit. Over the years, they added more, so this should help it play nice with the newer stuff like the Esoterist.
>Phoenix Champion talent Sudden Strike renamed to Swift Charge to prevent name mismatch with Dark Fury talent.
>Consul Saboteur talent Assassin's Shot renamed to Headtaker to prevent name mismatch with Headhunter Prime.
>Fixed Overseer's Retinue to apply when taking the talent, not taking the specialization.
>Added the Phraetus Disciple as a Terminator option, alongside their Warpfire Mantles as wargear
>Added the Osiraean Ushapt as a Terminator option, alongside the Osiraean Discipline of psychic powers, which can be used by them and Osirion Dreads.

Of these changes, the text box cutoffs are the most concerning. Every time I fix them, more show up. The issue stems from the fact that some text is being changed from font Times New Roman to font ColumbusMT, and I don't know if this is a Word version mismatch or file corruption issues. Either way, it's infuriating to deal with. I will continue to fix things as I or other peeps find them, but I am starting to get concerned that the constant fixes are the source of the issue. As always, let me know if peeps find any issues.

>>98514480
>>Phoenix Champion talent Sudden Strike renamed to Swift Charge to prevent name mismatch with Dark Fury talent.
>>Consul Saboteur talent Assassin's Shot renamed to Headtaker to prevent name mismatch with Headhunter Prime.
>>Fixed Overseer's Retinue to apply when taking the talent, not taking the specialization.

Nice, cheers! Wiki updated.

>>98514480
>>Excindio Killbot now has 25 fellowship, so it can use its Deceive skill
>-That's a 25% chance of tricking a retard into letting it go wild
Should've been 5 Fellowship with a +20 to Deception.

>>98514614
It can be given some thought and discussion. Remember, it's still a dark age of technology super-intelligence, it's just hampered by running on a Pentium 1 processor. Presumably it has SOME way to be persuasive.

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Edge of Darkness "Intermission" oneshot session due to half the group being unable to play this week.
Mostly using backup characters and one-off made ones.
>Sister Venria, shrine world Battle Sister who compensates for her 22 agility by being armed with power armor and a bolter.
>Son of Durrand, feudal world ex-noble duelist/cleric that was basically bought out by the inquisitor.
>Novus Oarke, schola graduated guardsman aimed at becoming an officer, using a monosaber and laspistol
>Plus two conscripts, a penal legionaire chemtrooper and a guard trooper brought in for combat aptitude. Both fitted with explosive collars.

The killteam is deployed from a orbiting cruiser via valkyrie onto a local feudal world that produces large amounts of ore and specialty minerals from the tithe, searching for a cult that had taken up refuge in a crashed Lunar class cruiser that had landed partly through the capitol hive-city and was seen as a sign of legitimacy by the monarchy governor. The cult had infiltrated the local military command structure, and as such they were sent to "cut out the cancer" as it were. Deploying onto the hive city, they are accompanied by a small escort of guardsmen as well as a chimera armed with multi-laser, heavy bolter and heavy stubber.

Their escort guides them through the hive streets and out of the main hive, following along the some of the cult members surging out of the wreckage of the ship but get gunned down by the mounted weapons plus firing ports as the chimera takes them to where the local cult is believed to have been holed up. Initial resistance from some cultists is mostly handily dealt with via frag grenades and purchased fire bombs during creation. Using some las-cutters to cut into the sealed officer's mess, the kill team is greeted by a robed, hooded figure.

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>>98515014
In the officer's mess, the encounter a tall, robed figure standing over two meters tall behind a makeshift altar where a figure bulging with muscle and sinew sits completely still. It turns, revealing ceramite armour and a half broken Mk. V helmet, where the newly revealed heretic astartes greets them calming as "new pilgrims, lost in their faith to false gods" and using psyker powers to catch fired bolt shells before letting them explode midair. He rambles at the party slightly before speaking to the body on the table, instructing his "new brother" to prove himself. The cult champion lurches upward, bonded with a daemon and awakening properly as it rises from the table and prepares to fight.
>They were not expected to fight the CSM at all. This is just foreshadowing a later antagonist that might be motivating other antagonists. I am not expecting bumfuck acolytes to be able to take down a partially posessed marine. Except maybe with lucky crits as what happens soon after so who knows. This campaign is planned to involve elements of Death Watch and other systems due to varied player interest. I'm not *that* over/underestinmating them.

Fear tests involving the heretic astartes plus a daemon possessed body leaves most of the party except Ventria struck still, the sister taking a bolt pistol shell through the thigh for her trouble, but returning with a semi-auto barrage that heavily hits the possessed while the sorcerer uses Space Slip to get away to another level of the ship. The other members of the kill team do their best to try and whittle down the possessed, but it's ruined carapace armour and natural toughness keeps soaking up their damage. They do their best to space out and lay down suppression but the Fearless talent/trait means it's refusing to get pinned down and into a place easy to grenade the shit out of. But it works for them in the end.

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>>98515019
Sister Venria throws a firebomb and gets Righteous Fury three times on her roll for a total of 43 damage that completely evaporates the possessed cult champion and leaves it practically a pile of ash on the ground; described as golden light enshrounding the bomb as it lands in a hole left from the prior bolter wounds, before the firebomb consumes it entirely in a flash of flame and light.

With the posessed dead and the way clear they forge onward with their secondary objective to detonate a plasma generator to wipe out the section of the ship that they're in and eliminate the cult. The last remnants of the cult still able to fight spring an ambush with the help of renegade guard members, setting up a mounted stubber to try and pin them down, but with the use of blind grenades and frags they manage to clear out the opposition and retreat. Venria remains blessed with righteous fury while using firebombs and helps clear out the weapons team. The team manages to retreat from the plasma generator and pull out of the ship wreckage for pickup where the session ended.

Overall felt like a very fun one-shot to run and players said they enjoyed it "but (they) are worried that we'll have to see that word bearer again" so I take that as a win. If people are tired of storytime let me know.

Is The Great Horned Rat still a chaos god in 40k? How would that work without Skraven?

>>98513257
More women will suddenly discover they are into it when the series debuts. Same thing happened with LotR and Marvel comics characters

>>98515311
Fashion, chap.
Some women are into whatever is "big right now".
But these women don't really like the thing for itself, and are generally not actually invested at all.
So if you aren't Chad, they still won't let you fingerbang them in the taxi after two martinis.

>>98506988
Little oldfag GM trick here: if a NPC is going to have more than a line or two, think about a similar character that you’ve seen in a movie and rip it off. Unless you do something silly like using catchphrases from that movie, your players will never know. I was going to say to practice lines on your way to work or in the shower but then I remembered where I was, so I’ll modify that to practicing while you’re alone and engaged in a mindless activity.

>>98515292
>Is The Great Horned Rat still a chaos god in 40k? How would that work without Skaven?
It just works. A Skaven daemon prince was present in the Siege of Terra.

"You say, ‘As I thought,’ as though you were testing them. ‘We have Kweethul, and there, his steeds, and here the juggernauts...(and a bunch of other daemons)...and all of them. All that is and was and ever will be."

>>98515292
Depends on how you want to view the nature of the Realm of Chaos, but I'd say so. Since there's no Skaven it makes sense why the GHR isn't prominent in 40k. However, GHR's main domain as a god is ruin, with a bit about inheriting the ruin. If you want to point at a main faction who probably worships him, the Black Legion's ultimate goal is bringing the galaxy to ruin.

>>98516265
>Kweethul
They made him a daemon of someone else? Look how they massacred my boy.

another successful session of only war
tasked with destroying a re-purposed factory used by the orks to produce trukks and killa kans, the players trekked through the sewers, were attacked by kommandos hiding in rubble, barrels, and a trash can, and then found the factory

after a bit of sneaking, the squad's best sneaker snuck into the factory to place a detcharge on the fuel storage. he failed his first roll, used a fate point to re-roll, and failed with 5 degrees of failure. he exploded, destroying half the factory and himself

mission accomplished!!!

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>>98517986
Another glorious victory for the Imperial Guard!

>>98518049
And only one casualty, Emperor be praised!

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>>98505484
Related: Is it against regulations for guardsmen to paint their own tanks, etc? I want to paint big titted Sisters of Battle on a Bane Blade but want to know if that would get the crew shot.

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Reminded me of this

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Who cleans up after an Orcs or Tyranid invasion is fought off? They both alter the environment so they must need specialized clean up, right? I want to run a game that isn't focused on typical soldier stuff and do something more related to what civilians live around. Something like this picture.

>>98519054
Most worlds don't bother to "clean up" when the defense of their planet set them back on their tithe payment. The peasants would be ordered to work around everything.

Does anyone have the latest version of the Liber Imperium, if there's a version beyond 1.7? Or any new releases they've put out/updates from the side books. Thanks.

Did anyone ever have a group fail Illumination from the DH 1 Core?
What did you make of it? What happened to Iocanthos?

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>>98513267

How to remove the grimdark (more like grimderp) from 40k rpgs? I really like 40k but hate the grimdark, i want there to be hope and for my players to meet primarchs and whatnot

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>>98519054
There are entire regiments doing purge and burn of ork corpses and fungus warrens.
Even space marines leave behind kill teams to purge genestealer infestations, sometime it takes years and or long enough the marines go rogue like Constantinius. There's presumably the reformed PDF made out of whatever locals and IG are fit for it. Entire sections of the Admech are about making flat landing spaces and beachheads and combat engineers so some of that, the administratum, the Ecclesiarchy likely getting involved because their motivated and its a good time to get faith in there for future political reasons, the ordo xenos.

I had an idea to make my tau character use ciphers that could only be seen on different light spectrums, since tau visual spectrum extends a little more into the ultraviolet and infrared wavelengths. I know this would save me against humans, but can eldar and orks see these ranges too? Would kind of defeat the purpose if it only deceives humans.

>>98521805
You're in luck.
The ork can see it but doesn't care because its weedy blue runt doodles.
The eldar can see it but doesn't care much because its primitive graspings of a fledgling race etching the first notions of deception and subterfuge an ancient art perfected by their race long before the stars sang out in their blahblebhablh

>>98505160
That's all fair, but in its defense I don't think that I've ever seen a system where all of the character add ons were perfectly balanced, particularly after the first splatbook.
>you basically have guardsmen going from good sprinters to running at mach 10 in just a few in-game hours
Again, that's pretty much every game. The solution (if anyone even cares) is to award XP all at once between adventures, with character improvements taking place out of game. I was actually doing that decades before I ever touched WaG, but it was to ease my administrative burden as GM, not for the purposes of perceived realism.

>>98521805
How would these ciphers work exactly? If they're only visible under certain light spectrums are you bringing around a pen to use the right invisible ink all the time or a light to make sure your eyes catch it?

>>98522269
Yeah, I figured I could get a UV ink/pen and use the Ciphers skill to leave messages.

>>98521879
Damn.

>>98522316
To be entirely real I think unless for some reason writing in the Tau language is unavailable for you, that'd be far easier and more secure almost every time, but don't let that stop you from using a fun idea.

What happens to girls born on space marine worlds?

>>98524291
Nothing special, why would there be? While children are liable to be tested for the chapter, only the boys are taken, so the girls just do whatever they would normally do, alongside the vast majority of the boys who aren't taken. Space marine worlds don't have to pay taxes because the chapter itself is taxed separately, so there's less chance of being drafted. I can't think of anything else.

>>98522269
Unfortunately, invisible ink is very easy to detect with modern methods such as 'check for indents in the paper' or 'look for slight discoloration' or 'hold it at an angle and see if any bits reflect differently'

>>98505484
Ultras aren't really the type to go around putting saints or pin-upson things, but Space marines sometimes have 'personal Heraldry', perhaps use some of that?

>>98512986
Now do all his pdfs in one location at their current version.

>>98524324
Are chapters taxed? From my understanding, chapters are separate political entities who are allied with the Imperium due to their loyalties to the Emperor and the Primarchs. Taxing a chapter itself, or even the territories it claims, is a good way to get a renegade chapter (just look at the Badab War).

>>98525601
No.

It's probably better to think of the Imperium like the HRE, except with even more byzantine bureaucracy and balkanisation. It's a thousand tiny empires bolted together into one. Space Marines are generally exempt from all but gene seed tithes and sometimes even that is forgivable, depending. If I remember right captain dickhead mostly got away with conquering a few planets and slapping tithe exempt status on them.

>>98525622
>Be rogue trader
>Ally with marine chapter
>Declare that they can recruit from every world in your protectorate
>Never pay taxes again
Explain why this wouldn’t work

>>98526424
The Marines in question would tell you to bugger off and quit meddling in Astartes matters.

>>98526424
Marines can recruit from anywhere that will let them (or that can't stop them), but that doesn't make it a marine recruitment world that's exempt from tithes.

>>98525426
That's the ultimate goal! Alas, i am but one wageslave finding slivers of time between labours.

>>98517986
If you have a player who’s character is an important specialist and they’re the only one who dies, do you just have them roll up another of the same specialist or make do without?

Dumb question that there probably isn't an answer to, but who organizes the Missionarius Galaxia? I mean like who in the Ecclesiarchy is it under? Gonna be playing one in an upcoming RT game, and this info will probably never come up, but I'm just trying to get into the role.

>>98526424
There's a difference between "tithe free fiefdom" and "recruiting station". Also rogue traders don't usually pay taxes anyway

>>98528129
It's generally organised on a sector/ subsector basis, nominally headed by a senior member of the ruling Ecclesiarchal Synod for that area.
Some are in it for political reasons (won/ lost local power struggle), others to build a following in preparation for an eventual attempt at promotion.
A rare few are there because they genuinely believe that the highest calling of the Adeptus Ministorum is to spread the correct version (ie. their particular version) of worship of the God-Emperor to all of humanity, both within and without the boundaries of the Imperium.

DH anons and gms, any suggestions for how to stat a character coming from a feudal world? Just treat it as a normal Imperial world or would something like a feral fit better?

>>98529324
There's already a homeworld for it in 2e, I think there's one in 1e. Otherwise we'd need to know more.

>>98529502
Two of my players were planning to play feudal world nobles. One a former armiger pilot who got exiled, the other a mercenary who got snapped up by the inquisitor

>>98529572
Sorry, to clarify this is 1e.

>>98529572
Both will have reasonable memories and be physically tough, but probably not well educated. The former knight pilot will have a better set of knowledge due to the helm download.

The pilot will have some very basic tech use. The mercenary probably prefers melee and uses tough, reliable weapons where he must use range - either lasguns or very large and heavy stubbers, depending on how long he's been out of feudal worlds. Both are very faithful, but probably not blatantly - the former pilot likely thanks the emperor and omnissiah without thinking about it, while the mercenary likely has a dog earred prayer book and a passing familiarity with the Imperial Cult since he wasn't protected by his status from politics as much as the pilot. Likely each has a stupid hobby from the nobility - the mercenary might sing, for example, while the Knight might work devotional art into metal (A mix of Imperial and Mechanicus stuff, likely, irritating both cults).

I was searching around Amazon and found that they sell the Book of Law from Judge Dredd. Is there a place where I can buy/download The Codex Astartes? I've never see a copy at a hobby store.

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Edge of Darkness pt 4.

Resuming right in as the acolytes enter the Chirurgeon's workshop, Kestian and Hastus pass out instantly from the fear tests while Prometheus effectively shits himself and barely resists running away while the rest prepare for fighting against her while her meat golem rushes to fight them.

Gallus badly misses his laspistol attacks but a lucky fate reroll for +4 degrees of success puts down the bio-mechanical horror and deletes one of the flesh golems. The heretek woman sends her horrific knife-spider surigcal tool to protect her while she rigs the building to blow and prepares to make her way down the elevator shaft. RIGHT into Alicent who is waiting for someone to come down and whack them, initiating a grapple against them and starting to fumble their way down the shaft.

Litilus is the first member of the acolytes to be brought below 0 wounds, taking 7 critical damage and losing use of his leg until it can get further medical attention as the scalpel maniliar stabs through his knee. Kestian debates briefly saving the tech-data instead of his life but resigns to save the arbitrator instead, grumbling all the time. Meanwhile Gallus flings himself down the elevator shaft to follow the tech-priestess, crashing into her body and knocking her, Alicent, and himself down to the bottom of the shaft. Treating his impact against the descending people grappling, he knocks them ALL to the bottom of the elevator shaft, breaking his fall on the tech-priestess' body and while he and Alicent take very little damage, the heretek is almost crushed underneath them while continuing to grapple.

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>>98530589
Prometheus the feral guardsman ends up smashing one of the cogitators in an attempt to recover data, silencing the "shaking, vibrating box" while Hastus tries to help Litilus and instead fails by -7 degrees of success and ends up killing the arbitrator via blood loss. The Emperor receives his faithful as Kestian immediately leaves his side to start trying salvaging any data from the system. Some data gremlins try to fight him off but in the end he manages to secure experimentation logs left behind by the other heretek while the others secure the unconscious logician agent leader and they regroup down on the ground level. Attempting to leverage their authority to whoever is on the other end of the call results in the logician agents bugging out instead and trying to kill them.

Evacuating the higher levels of the building and bringing Litilus' body with them, plus an unconscious Moran. Doing their best to sulk through the streets, they make their way out of the almshouse and end up informing the local hive gang about the "enforcers" and help kick off a small gang war while they flee to the escape tunnel, kill two enforcers left to guard the vehicles and steal a set of quad bikes plus a flatbed truck to make their escape into the hive sewers, recovering the body of the fallen Arbitrator and taking Sybas Moran into their custody. Moving through the sewers, they meet up with a contact and get extraction handled. Prisoner is handed off to the agent of the inquisitor and they meet up with who will be their handler overall, congratulated for doing "half-decent" work and told that they will be taken for specialty training and instruction to better suit their new role as pawns on the Inquisition regicide board.

>>98530593
Gallus spends his XP on Awareness, Perception and Unshakable Faith, and sold some of his gear.
Alicent spent his XP on improving his Dodge skill, Willpower and the Sprint talent.
Hastus trained in Literacy and Rapid Reload.
Kestian banked his XP
Prometheus retires as a character to instead switch to Novus, the officer-guardsman from the one shot he played instead.
Litilus' player brings back their backup sister of battle Venris instead. Instead of the full power armour and bolter, I plan on giving her either mesh or carapace, with a mono-sword and bolt pistol instead for at least the first bits.

Overall it felt like a very good intro adventure, especially for our group's first time doing the system at all and had some somewhat interesting character development between the various acolyte hopefuls through the adventure. Thanks for the recommendations bros.

For a small question, given that the munitorum headquarters are on Scintila, how would you treat someone wanting to buy one of the gear commonly found in war zones before it's shipped out? Inquiry and charm tests I assume?

>>98530368
No, but if you're willing to pay a premium there are copies of the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer floating around. It's out of print, of course.

>>98526722
he was just a sniper, so it's no big deal if he dies
especially since he's made an ogryn, which i think is what he wanted to do from the start, and i'm happy to let him.
another player switched from heavy weapons to psyker (even if he actually downgraded his offensive ability by doing so)
the party is getting a little weird, though, i hope no one else dies because there might not be regular guardsmen soon.

i think generally all the support specialists are just better than base guardsmen except in some circumstances. after 2500 xp, any priest for example could just have a bolter and a rosarius for free. or they could just be a techpriest (or god forbid go into crimson guard) and be the best at everything. i have a lot of Thoughts on the balance of only war after doing some GMing for it, for s ure

How would and freeblade knights that have sworn allegiance to a chapter and painted themselves to match their heraldry be counted in the Codex? Are they just considered part of the motor pool and sent out the same way you would a tank?

>>98530607
The core rulebook has a whole Inquiry table at the start of weapons, use that. Maybe make it easier depending on contacts or the equipment. Inquisitor's Handbook has a whole segment on war worlds and the stuff they use there.

>>98475633
Generally speaking, rolls should max out at +/- 60 for it to not feel too oppressive, if you want something more than that, start giving him unnatural characteristics instead, and then (if you can remember them, keep in mind that you shouldn't have more than you'll actually use) skills and talents. Something like Sure Shot can really change how an NPC plays and what your players have to take into account fighting him, for example.

Giving him rare equipment can also help, generally speaking, the higher you are in the Imperium the weirder, more unique kit you have. Could be a nice "Oh Shit" moment when he shows up wearing some ancient suit of Cataphractii his chapter has exactly one of, or a disintegration weapon or similar.

How easy would it be to make a space hulk? I want to make a custom space station/space hulk for my Chaos Warband out of different ships/stuff. How easy is it to control the warp fusion process?

There is now a Psychic Powers page on the wiki!

https://shaso-40k-ffg-expansions.fandom.com/wiki/Psychic_Powers#List_of_Psychic_Powers

The details need to be fleshed out, but I believe every power is listed.

I have every power of the five main disciplines of Biomancy, Telekinesis, Divination, Telepathy, and Pyromancy, as well as the mechanically-minded Osirae discipline and the rather questionable Sanctic and Malefic discplines. There are also some powers that don't have a discipline, simply being special powers granted by specific talents, unique to specific legions and specialisations.

Do let me know if I've missed anything; they are rather spread out across the book.

I'll be filling in this page whenever I'm able. It won't be a quick task, but it'll be fun!

>>98518638
Baneblades tend to be a little bit holy (or at least are considered relics), and have a mechanicus shrine on the back as well, so you'd probably piss off the regimental enginseer by doing that on a baneblade; you'd want something to honor the tank instead. Guardsmen are known to paint stuff on their vehicles though, and can certainly get away with it on a leman russ, chimera, etc.