[ ] VtM or VtR [ ]
[ ] WtA or WtF [ ]
[ ] MtAs or MtAw [ ]
[ ] CtD or CtL [ ]
[ ] DtF or DtD [ ]
[ ] WtO or GtSE [ ]
[ ] MtR or MtC [ ]
And finally,
[ ] KotE or BtP [ ]

>>98494371
I have a small stack of homebrew that I ha e zero time to develop but I work on it just a little when I can

>>98494390
>VtM
>WtA
>MtAs
>CtD
>DtF
>WtO
>MtR
>KotE

>>98494390
>[ ] VtM or VtR [X]
I miss the clans but I don't like generation. I do like the fog of age thing
>[X] WtA or WtF [ ]
Forsaken feels edgier but aimless
>[X] MtAs or MtAw [ ]
I haven't actually played either, but I like Technocracy memes
>[ ] CtD or CtL [X]
Just feels more solid
>[X] DtF or DtD [ ]
Descent feels almost punishing about your powers
>[ ] WtO or GtSE [X]
I much appreciate the Underworld being a place you visit over where you're stuck most of the time
>[ ] MtR or MtC [ ]
I know nothing about either of these
>And finally,
>[X] KotE or BtP [ ]
I went into Beast expecting apologia for real life predators. I did not expect entire power sets based around being a suckup to other supernaturals

>>98494390
>[X] MtR or MtC [ ]
nWoD Mummy runs into a similar problem to Promethean: it lends itself well to being a resource for NPCs, but it's extremely awkward to run as its own game due to their central conceit.

>>98487841
>… could be fun. Gotta ask my ST if we can workshop that together
You can always use the Stone Man as a convenient source for that matter since he's got that move that rips the hearts out of several vamp's chests with a gesture.

And just remember, the more versatile it is the worse it should be at direct damage for balance's sake (or just make a discipline that's a straight upgrade over Potence for fun's sake, no one's stopping you).

Which of these is compelling to you?
>A CTL Changeling who wants to feel wanted/pretty after being a monster in a basement for 20 years
>A DTD Demon who found Christianity and began questioning if his soul is damned
>A Promethean who wants to just know why he was created rather than completing the Great Work.
>A Remade who found peace with what he's become, due to find his will to live again after enduring so much

>>98494444
Yeah, but aren't oWoD Mummies not allowed to actually leave Egypt?

>>98494581
They can, it's refueling the mojo tanks that's a problem requiring extra effort if outside of Egypt/the middle east IIRC.

>>98494568
>this feels the most open-ended
>most GMC demons believe they don't have souls, this guy is going to have to contend with most of his peers treating him as little better than an Integrator
>I'm pretty sure that's just a step in the Magnum Opus
>okay, now what does he do, now that he's found peace?
I think #1 is most versatile

>>98494591
How would you execute the first?

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>>98494371
Any Mage STs have experience dealing with recreating Physical/Mental Merits with Spheres? Or heck, just Legendary Attributes? Curious about rulings.

A Mage with Life 3 can bust out superhuman stats easy as shit, but I'm not sure if that means they should get the benefits of Legendary Attributes or purely the dice and the Legendary benefit should just be a separate effects. And then there's the Mummy Attribute Endowments to potentially pull from.

>>98494599
For Seeming, almost anything but a Fairest. It's not like Wizened or even Ogres are forbidden from being pretty.
High Presence, and some sort of job or side gig about seeking attention. Fashion model, performer, aspiring movie star, influencer. Maybe Striking Looks depending on whether the "becoming pretty" part is more important, or the "being wanted" part is. If not Striking Looks, then a makeup specialty for either Crafts or Expression.
Spring Court, and I can't remember the Contracts very well but there have to be some that force you to be the center of attention

>>98494625
I was considering Darkling or Beast.
Like, they were in the basement of their Keeper, and people were thrown down there to be mutilated for disobedience.

>>98494639
I think Darkling could have good irony, but watch out for if she's seeking the spotlight metaphorically versus literally

Talking of Mummy, does anyone have any ideas for Western mummies?
Like, there are HUNDREDS of cairns and graves here in the British Isles, with like...a guy just sleeping inside the mound ready to reawaken for some horrible battle (They won't, they've retired) so I was thinking of using that as a basis. We've got the Ley Lines and a fuck-huge number of churches and whatnot to act as a Web of Faith, but that's where everything falls apart. We don't know much about pre-christian faiths, and importantly, we think they believed heavily in reincarnation. Human sacrifice was common, so there was no concept of an afterlife.

So how do I make these mummies using the pieces that I have? God is dead in WoD and there are only two angels left, so the Christian background for a source of power through the Ley Lines isn't there. I'd have to invent a whole circus of pagan gods based on the Germanic/Nordic pantheon with slightly funnier names.

Again, we're looking at the soul of an ancient druid or warrior of those times merging with a modern corpse. I could lean on the Triat for this and say "you serve Gaia and a Totem now" but that seems a little boring compared with Garou who are already quite prominent in the UK.

>>98494654
She's just looking for someone to say "You're beautiful."

>>98494617
Personally think legendary attribute specialties should not be part of the life sphere boosting the attribute beyond 5. The only case in which it would be acceptable is if the mage buys the 6th dot via making it a permanent part of his pattern (half exp discount) and then also uses a similar spell to give himself the merit at an exp cost.

I don't think endowments should naturally come with higher attributes either, but I would generally allow you to mimic Hekau endowments with life magic, possibly combined with forces, prime etc. Don't do 1 Success = Endowment.

Consider similar effects e.g. extra actions take 2 successes per extra action and a quint per extra action.

A major problem with this shit is the concentration penalty in M20 states effects locked to a pattern or with a duration do not incur it, so theoretically this can be used to cast separate rituals for every buff, resulting in stupid situations. Example: One month long buff for Str, one for Dex, One for Sta.. Doing a ritual that does all three at once is far harder.

>>98494671
>the Garou are prominent in the UK
Didn't Britain extinctify almost all their wolves and actually all of the rest of their big predators? Y'know cuz England is one of the least biodiverse and most heavily terraformed places on the planet?

>>98494677
In WoD they've got a host of Tribes of Garou there
Yeah, wolves went extinct, but the GAROU haven't. Much like how there are Garou in Japan despite there being no wolves.

>>98494674
Like, her Mien is a 6+ foot nightmare creature with 5 eyes, a massive maw that stretches around the head, eyes that look like an eclipse, and knife-like fingers. Razorhand Kith.
She wants someone to say "You are still worthy of being loved."

>>98494695
Is she willing to settle for Internet Weirdoes saying "would?"

>>98494718
No, because that's just perversion.

>>98489533
>meawhile Goratrix (meerlinda) in the gehenna war book hunts mind controled tremere and salubri with the help of the salubri antitribu
Some writer must have thought Saulot commanding the Tremere vs Tremere commanding the Salubri was funny. But I guess that explains where the standardised anti-magic training from V20 is coming from.
>so all the tremere did was kill saulot's body and his mind controlled slaves and upload the malcontents into a house that they also secretly control
Fat chance of that, wormlot had to survive to keep control and probably rezzed any of his puppets Vienna killed.

>>98494748
Wait a second... if Meerlinda is walking around pretending to be Goratrix, who's pretending to be Meerlinda?

Want a Packmate that specializes in dealing with the Wyld? Than you have to either deal with
>The Black Furies
OR
>The Red Talons

Grim.

I was introduced to WoD with V5, but after the V6 shitstorm have decided to listen to my elders and give WoD20 a shot. What are some of the biggest hurdles to overcome in getting a group that's familiar with WoD5 back to 20? How do I convince them this is the right move?

>>98494946
How dumb are your fellow players?

>>98494992
Competent enough for the most part. 4 of the 5 of them and myself are veteran PF1e players.

>>98495042
You can probably just show them V20/revised material. Chargen is so much better, the art and layout don't look like absolute shit, no retarded v5 metaplot...

>Zillah is a statue somewhere
>The SI have Enoch in a box according to last thread
Did those useless fucking Antediluvians at least manage to get Irad or are they zero for three on taking down the second generation?

>>98494946
First thing is that your options have been really limited with 5th edition. V5 seems to be tolerable but W5 seems almost punitive, and H5 doesn't even let you join a Conspiracy I think.
V20 has all the broad strokes, like the Tremere own Thaumaturgy, but much broader supplemental materials, including fully fleshed out rules for all the clans, in case you want to throw a Tzimisce foe at your players, or one of them wants to try out being a Tzimisce. The one thing I like from V5, Predator Types, isn't in this, but you can use Backgrounds to represent a reliable way to feed.
Also there are all the other game lines. Like if you're interested in werewolves, W20 has comprehensive rules for custom-building spirits and fomori, talks way more about the Penumbra and other realms (and doesn't force you to take an aggravated damage each scene you're in the Umbra), and even gives you more information about Fera than just, "you may meet a were-crow." That's all in the core book btw.
Major difference is dice. You'll have a pool, probably Attribute + Skill, and difficulty can vary. It's usually difficulty six or higher, but can occasionally be lower. Difficulty determines which dice count as successes. For example, if a roll is difficulty 8, then dice that come up with an eight, nine, or ten are considered successes.

>>98495127
>or one of them wants to try out being a Tzimisce
Grim.

I'm going to have my HT:V players face some banes and fomori. The main plot is they're trying to figure out who or what killed a city council member (that literally everyone forgot existed but the PCs because they saw the councilor die) and now they've broken into a trash-sorting facility. Could I make a Trashman of some kind to face them as the final boss of the location? Kinda like what a Burgerman is, but made out of trash and working as a trashguy.

What are some low-level banes they could face? The only fomor would be the trashman.

>>98495119
yeah irad only have a hateful deathcult that is pretty much what the sabbat claims it is

warlike cultists who want to kill the 3rd gens

... but they have a equal track record to the sabbat

>>98495227
>... but they have a equal track record to the sabbat
How would you even go about having a worse track record than the Sabbat anyway? Start working out how to bring back dead antes to get your kill score into the negatives?

>>98495227
>>98495262
while playing for the opposite team the true black hand wanted to protect what they assumed to be 3, 3rd gens sleeping in enoch and lost all 3 of them to ghost nukes

so they are 0 to 3 while the sabbat is 0 to 2 and the servitors of irad are just zeros

>>98494904
Surely it can't be that bad? There are some good ones.

>>98495287
>while playing for the opposite team the true black hand wanted to protect what they assumed to be 3, 3rd gens sleeping in enoch and lost all 3 of them to ghost nukes
And they were either hilariously wrong about that or those three antes never had kids because I feel like people would have noticed three of the clans going into mass frenzy simultaneously.

>>98494904
>want to deal with the spirit of raw, primal creation without logic or limits? then you'll need to deal with the sort of people who would dedicate themselves to that sort of spirit
Who would've thought?

>>98494904
I'll take my chances with the Black Furies, at leas the only want to kill HALF of humanity. The Red Talons want to kill ALL of them

>>98494904
The Weaver is the way to go.

>>98495451
Nah, in practice Red Talons make the better (not good, though) packmate of these 2, even if the alpha is a homid. Once they find out their position in the pack they stick to it and only open hostility or weak/bad leadership make them lash out. The ones who’d never accept a homid or metis leadership simply don’t join. By contrast a black fury can be very passive aggressive if you’re not defending women hard enough and can be very unhelpful if the alpha is a male (remember that these are feminists we are talking about)

>>98495486
>when you get one problem to solve the other
Too smart for Garou, though. And not enough self-sabotaging.

>>98495119
Do not take BJD seriously, it's a very silly book.

>>98495501
>the weaver
>not self sabotaging
Anon, she’s the one who got this whole debacle started after she came up with philosophy and that caused her to have an existential crisis, which she tried to fix by trying to end the very idea of death and ending

>>98495532
and so my curse awakens again
in BJD beckett opens the coffin and either enoch or set are in it

the SI having it and using it as psychic vampire bait is from the v5 SI book

>>98495493
As PCs are expected to be exceptions to the rule, with PC Red Talons expected to be Whelp's Compromise through and through, most PC Black Furies are also expected to be reasonable rather than brain-dead misandrists.

>>98495119
>>The SI have Enoch in a box
I refuse to believe this is true. V5 isn't real. You can't make me.
>>98495532
Is BJD at least worth the read? The Lore Megatome seemed fun from what I've pageflipped minus the "seducing Dracula" part.

>>98494390
VTM
tie
MTAS
tie (don't give a shit)
tie
WRAITHCHADS RISE UP
MTR
KOTE

>>98495548
We've all been there anon. Well, the ones who've had any exposure to philosophy, at least.
The Triat seriously needs some fucking couples counseling.
With all the recent bullshit about sorcerers, can't they force the incarnations of the three to sit the fuck down and talk this shit out?
If they can bind gods and whatnot, can't they do Tellurian a favor and get all three cosmic spergs to stop spazzing out for a bit?

>>98494371
>TQ
TTRPGs are one of the few things I don't procrastinate on, but I did take my sweet ass time getting to Forsaken. I think I took the dismissive "Spirit ICE" statements a bit too seriously and never looked too deeply into it. Only when I did finally give it an honest look, I found a game I ended up really liking.

>>98495663
>Is BJD at least worth the read?
I genuinely hate it and can't find a single redeeming plotline in the entire thing. However, I won't pretend like my taste is objective, so you may or may not enjoy it.

>>98495556
Fair enough, but I still think red talons are better packmates than black furies per woofta
>pc red talons are meant to be whelp’s compromise through and through
Honestly, I like the story of having a warder of the land slowly learning to opening up to trusting humans more

>>98495718
>Honestly, I like the story of having a warder of the land slowly learning to opening up to trusting humans more
aggressive petting correction until mindbreak

>>98495663
>Is BJD at least worth the read?
I actually really enjoyed it.

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>>98495663
writers even said on discord that it's enoch when people wondered if it could be ventru

because fuck having any sort of mystery! even fucking BJD gave STs the option of having it Enoch or Set

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>>98494371
>Is there a book or gameline you are interested in but dont have the time or motivation to invest in it?
Since The Followers of Set are my favorite clan, I keep thinking about checking out Mummy. Especially since my roommate keeps giving me shit for killing off Bleu in /shreck/ and telling me I should make a Mummy version of her. I even downloaded a pdf of the book for him to reference for a plotline in a thread, but never got around to reading it myself.

I also had a friend who was really into Wraith and Geist, but he ever ran a single session for each. He was really good at getting people hyped for a game, not so much on turning it into a full chronicle. He did the same thing for Werewolf. So I've owned the core books for pretty much every WoD gameline at some point or another.

Pic is unrelated. Just wanted to do a silly scribble based off Shark's story from a couple threads ago.

>>98495183
One potential advantage you have is that nWoD/CofD changed the things that made apoc entities so busted (easy multi-attack) and mortals comically fragile (make no mistake, Hunters are still fragile, but not to the point of being unwieldy to play as). So you can translate more banes/fomori than you might think over without instantly TPK-ing your Cell.

There's the typical shitter Fomori like Burgermen and Goblins, and a Trash variant of the former works fine. We fought a pair of Hollow Men in my last Hunter chronicle. Freakfeet can also work for lower end Fomori down the road.

As for Banes themselves, besides making some custom ones I'd suggest Anger Swarms (which appear as a swarm of insects that disorient, annoy, and drive people into an angry fury). Could have an interesting encounter with one having driven the otherwise innocent workers of the facility into a rage, giving the PCs the puzzle fight of destroying/dispelling the Bane without killing any of its hostile victims. Furmlings are another basic Bane that could work, they're spirits of Balefire, and could be burning waste and creating a great plume of corrupted smoke to debase the surrounding lands.

>>98494390
The only thing better in nWoD is some scraps of lore, maybe a few mechanics, but mostly just HtV

>>98495932
What make normal humans tougher in CofD compared to oWoD?

>>98494671
Theres a lot im trying to do in Mummy to expand it outside of Egypt. First mummies im doing are Einherjar, two different "Dynasties" one for Odins half in Valhalla & one for Freyr half in Folkvangr

Ive contemplated "Albians" ala King Arthur's Knights using the Spell of Life (Holy Grail) as well as Lazarus for Christians, but dont want to bite off more than I can chew

>>98496013
Mostly how damage works. In oWoD, how tough you are usually comes down to soak, and humans can only soak bashing damage with their Stamina. Unless they have armor, anything lethal, be it a knife or a gun, is going to do full damage, whatever that rolled damage is. oWoD typically has fixed health dots, only being massive or having some rare powers allows you to get extra ones. Armor can give humans soak, but armor's also kind of bad in oWoD, since all but the lightest stuff penalizes dex, which is key to both your hitting and your evading. So mortals either have to rely on heavy armor which still means they get hit more often anyway, AND penalizes their chances of hitting back, or they have to try and no-hit dodge everything. Which will invariably fail at some point.

CofD was designed around humans as a baseline and it shows. Health dots are flexible, determined by your Stamina. So, while humans still take lethal damage from most things, one can much more easily make themselves capable of taking more punishment. Fixed damage on weapons removed one axis of RNG that could just insta-kill a mortal, which means that a glancing blow from a handgun won't be putting a mortal into dying. But they're still not very tanky. One square (three successes) shot from a hunting rifle puts the average mortal into dying, where they need to be stabilized in a matter of minutes at best before they bleed out. Armor is generally better, since it's flat DR rather than rolled for, and only penalizes defense and speed, not dexterity. IMO I think ballistic armor is a little overtuned honestly, but that's just me being a /k/ fag IRL. I must begrudgingly accept this isn't a tactical game.

We must talk less about dogfucking (unbased and smelly, fuck Gaia) and talk more about Ghostfucking (regal and hedonistic, heil Charon)

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While looking through WoD related stuff, I just learned The Most Dangerous Game's General Zaroff exists in WoD
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Count_Zaroff

>>98494904
Bro your Bone Gnawers? Yes they are the smelly retards of the Garou nation but they are a lot less speciescidal and gendercidal than your alternatives.

>>98496140
Zaroff is in the camarilla?
he and
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Aaron_Wilkshire
would be vtm's romeo and juliet then

>>98496173
>Zaroff is in the camarilla?
>rumored to be a serial diablerist
probably on the red list

>>98496092
Ah, I see, thanks for the explanation
>health in cofd is determined by stamina
Honestly, that sounds better than how it works in owod. It seems weird that a woof in crinos has as much health as a normal human, which can make a bad soak roll surprisingly lethal

>>98494390
Masquerade
Apocalypse
Ascension
Dreaming
Descent
Geist
Returned?
Kindred

Wraith and Geist aren't really the same game, and Kindred and Beast definitely aren't. The last one is super close because they both do different things but Kindred ties into Vampire lore and I think adds something to the setting whereas Beast doesn't expand the setting at all but is super easy to drop in anywhere and has the most flexibility. Mummy is a bit unfortunate because I've never even read Cursed so it lost by default and not by merit. Demon is a massive improvement in Chronicles, and while I don't like Lost very well, I think combining Lost and Dreaming makes Changeling the funniest gameline by far. You also didn't ask about Hunter, but it's Vigil.

>>98496173
I thought Madame Guil and Luc were VtM's Romeo and Juliet

>>98494371
>TQ
WTA… I’m STing a game and have yet to read the whole book. Haven’t even finished the first 100 pages. I just roll with my former experience as a player (total of two games) + player in VTM, wiki entries and stuff I heard here

>>98495796
Neat pic, what did he do this time?

>>98495548
That's what you get when the avatar of order and progress is aware that it's surrounded by 2 drooling retards, constantly trying to wreck it's shit.

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>>98496214
Chronicles/nWoD definitely has better bones than oWoD I think. Benefitted from seeing what in oWoD needed a total rework and what didn't. Though I will always caveat my mechanical praise of CofD by saying it's still got its own problems. Worse, while 2e is generally an improvement on 1e, it's a bit of a two steps forward, one step back situation. But those problems are both less significant, and more importantly easier to excise/amend than oWoDs, which were unfortunately baked into the game. Chronicles is serviceable, which is better than oWoD, as it was very much a game most people played in spite of, rather than because of, its mechanics.

I really wish there had been a third legitimate iteration on the core rules of WoD, since I think it was very close to making something genuinely great, rather than just servicable. oWoD, for its many mechanical failings, had a really interesting idea on how to set up an RPG system. I see flashes of greatness in CofD. Unfortunately, V5 moved towards oversimplification in the core rules, and gimmick dice driven RNG in the supernatural department. V6 is somehow even worse, as it's abandoning far more of the core WoD mechanical structure than V5 did.

>>98496289
I wonder if i can still link to posts in archieved threads... If it doesnt work then just go back to the Close encounters with death general two threads back and find the posts im going to list (closer to the bottom).
>>98481418 >>98481500 >>98481653 >>98481734 >>98481819 >>98481893 >>98482042

>>98494617
>>98494675
Where does the Legendary Attribute counts as mummy endowment rule come from?

>>98495119
Irad split in two: Eldest and Saulot

>>98495796
Mummy is really cool. Definitely read it that way I have another person to talk about it with

>>98496118
Fuck a goth ghost girl until she turns a puddle of pleasure plasm. Might need Molliate

>>98494390
I've come to dislike most of the original game lines because I have become tired of the 90s mentality that spawned them, as well as they have all gotten far worse the more books was written about each line.
Too much 'I want to make my mark' from writers, too much power wanking, too much OCdonutsteal.
Anything written after '94 actively made everything worse, including entire game lines.

>>98494390
From what I’ve played, I prefer Masquerade, Apocalypse, Lost and Descent

>>98496374
>it's still got its own problems
What are the problems, and when do they come up?
I have both played and run a few of the games in nwod, and haven't had any issues outside having to regulate splatbook access at times.

>>98496633
I never understood people who ask for less power. Power is only potential you can choose not to have it, but to choose the gutter and not have any option to rise above is some kind of mental illness

>>98496763
Not referring to the abilities added insomuch, but the stupid plot and characters, as well as plot nonsense.

>>98496675
It probably boils down to my being a natural nitpicker, and also being someone who's played enough to experience the rare circumstances that highlight the weak points. But for CofD specifically
>Adding Athletics to Defense can very quickly turn melee combat into an unsatisfying whiff fest that demands hyper-optimization in order to match a decently competent shooter in terms of damage.
>Grappling is hilariously unbalanced, since a superior grappler can absolutely shut their opponent out once they establish it.
>Weapons modifying initiative scores sounds like an interesting idea but sucks in play, since if people switch weapons you need to re-order initiative, which always sucks.
>Some merits are insanely over-tuned.
>I don't actually hate conditions at all, but I do hate how they were formatted in the books. If it's tied to a power, the full effect should be in the power.

That's more or less it as far as general system problems go. The rest is more personal taste stuff regarding splats.

>>98496763
Where you set your power floor and power ceiling is important. Since if your floor is too high, you actually can't not choose to not have it, unless you deliberately make your character shit on purpose. Which never feels good, especially since the game itself clearly didn't intend for it. Too much power at the word go actually can be restrictive.

Same thing for if one power is much better than all its peers. Celerity in VtM, for example. It restricts by virtue of being much better than the other physical disciplines in the overwhelming majority of cases. How powerful characters can realistically be also helps the themes of the game. Hunter would be a very different game if you weren't the underdog and could physically bully most monsters out of the gate.

I'm certainly not advocating for V5-esque locking away Elders behind an unplayability barrier, but there are plenty of cases where more power makes for a worse game. It's all about extremes.

>>98496895
I have run in to the first 2 concerns, but it was very situational.
Defense bonus means pcs are not punished so much for using melee as a viable option, and both really come up in 1v1.
I did have a supernatural foe grapple a pc, and the rest of the party just wailed on it, eventually getting past its armor.
As for power scale, I have never seen anyone actually get past the 5 dot mark in any game. It's one of those nice in theory scenarios that most players will never see, like epic levels in D&D.
I personally put a premium on usability by the players, so it is a useless addition for me.

>>98496895
>Celerity in VtM, for example. It restricts by virtue of being much better than the other physical disciplines in the overwhelming majority of cases.
I learned that one the hard way by picking a fight with a Brujah. Fortitude helped keep me in the fight but he just put out more damage.

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Did you treat her well, anon? Did you protect that smile?

>>98497024
I certainly tried the first time. Heather as a character does a really good job of conveying the horror of ghouldom, since if you're not paying close enough attention, how much you're fucking her up isn't easy to notice at first. Down to how easy it is for the Sabbat to get her and kill her. It definitely caught me off guard in my first playthrough. In subsequent ones, I tried my best to keep her safe, but ultimately, pushing her away is probably the best thing you can do for her.

Which is a bit annoying since you miss out on some very good dialogue.

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I always wondered where the anon who wrote this got his info from.

>>98497024
I gave her enormous tits, anon, of course I treated her well!
Still died tho ;_;

>>98497013
>anon picked a fight with Lobo
>it went as expected
Bring blackup.

>>98497062
From his vivid imagination, of course!

>>98496895
Which Merits are overtuned?

>>98497179
NTA, but some of the combat merits are wild as fuck

>>98497024
First playthrough I didnt even realize she died in the sabbat apartment. Second playthrough I got mad and reloaded a previous save to try and save her. Every playthrough after I sent her away because I didnt want her to die. Except the one time I made an Absolute Bastard and drained her myself because "You cant kill her if I kill her first!"

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>>98494390
>vtr probably, but it's close
>wtf
>don't like either mage, so hard to say
>ctl
>dtd but just because fallen feels like an incomplete mess and never reached its full potential
>wto
>mtc
>beast after 60 pages of homebrew i wrote in the depths of mania.

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>>98497024
I love ghouls so much.

>>98496990
As I said, I've played enough that these things do come up and feel like legitimate problems. Athletics to defense particularly annoys me because LeBron might be really good at basketball but I don't think he'd be able to ultra instinct dodge a junkie with a knife. Just an immersion thing. It's also a little weird when you consider what dots are supposed to represent. Strength 3 Weaponry 3 is a man with above average strength and is adept with melee weapons. But that 6 dice base is really easy to reduce to 1-2 dice with athletics to defense. Actual master fencers can rarely go longer than 30 seconds before one scores a square hit, so it again feels immersion breaking for me. I'd even say melee is more viable without it since while the extra defense is nice, it's more satisfying to be able to reliably hit people in melee combat.

Grappling isn't as bad, and the old circle beat the grappler is the counter, but it's a little overtuned I think. A BJJ bro is still going to get cut up trying to grapple a mediocre brawler with a knife.

>>98497179
Professional training is the stand-out for me. It pays for itself with other merits and gives dice bonuses to its skills on par with supernatural powers. I also think it oversteps its bounds a little bit in what merits should cover. The skill dot rating itself already covers proficiency, and I don't like a merit making conventional training a titanic advantage over someone who is self or unconventionally taught. Mystery Cult Initiation is similarly powerful, but at least it comes with the drawback of having to join a cult, with all the weird beliefs and obligations that come with. Rather than... having a career.

Some fighting styles are pretty strong, but they're not the problem children usually. Iron Stamina is a merit I've decided is probably too good, getting to outright ignore wound penalties for less exp than a single dot in an attribute is probably too strong.

>>98497247
>The Flesh

My absolute nigga. Love that book.

>>98497260
I'm of the surprisingly controversial opinion that Professional Training isn't overpowered, it's the other Merits that are underpowered.

>>98497260
I think Professional Training is fine, its just that most powers are kind of stingy in regards to dice tricks.

>>98497260
Oh, and I forgot to mention at the end of this post. While I do find these to be legitimate problems, it highlights the big advantage CofD has. These problems are easy to fix via alteration or outright excision on a table-by-table basis.

>>98497062
What is the sauce of this

>>98497342
The 1d4chan WtA page, I think.

>>98497347
that explains it. our 1d4chan pages are total garbage

Remember the Ananasi dominated thread a few days back? Well in it I said I would share my shitty fanfic with you guys when the first arc was ready which looks to be tomorrow

>>98497349
>>98497347
>>98497342
Specifically the Weaver Ascendant blurb in the apocalypse section. Anon claims the weaver and the wyrm always had sexual tension

>>98497347
>>98497349
>>98497393
Ah, I see. Thank you anons, I had assumed it to be some other pop culture reference in one of the books like the Hermione masturbation
>>98497355
Neat, thank you spiderfag

>>98497062
What is this from?

>>98497268
I think having less merits, whjile having them broader in application, is the way to go.
>>98497355
Got a Jean Gray analogue?
>joke btw

>>98497355
@Contro lAm I allowed to read it?

>>98497355
Whats the fic about? Which fic did you pick?

>>98495739
Well that just seems like a silly way to recreate the Ankaran Sarcophagus plotline and a dumb idea that would have any elder within range shitting themselves as we've seen. I can't picture the SAD not only managing to grab something like that but also keeping it in the back as an elder magnet. Then again it seems par for the SI glazing V5 likes to do.
>>98495711
>>98495733
>One anon hates it the other one loves it
Fair. I suppose it could be a decent place to pick up plot hooks for a Chronicle

>>98497502
>@Contro l

>REPORT CONFIRMED
>COLLECTION OF INTEL ON REALITY DEVIANTS
>MISSION AUTHORIZATION: APPROVED
>SECONDARY TASK
>CONVERSION OF REALITY DEVIANT CLASS SPIDERMORPHICS TAG "ANANASI" TO EXTRAORDINARY CITIZEN TRAINING.
>END TRANSMISSION

>>98497413
No
>>98497502
Yes
>>98497528
Went wint an idea that a guy has more or less reincarnated as a spider or some shit and Ananasa notices the weird double-soul they have going on as a premise

>>98497537
It's just downright silly how many powerful gadgets the SI has. The SAD of all groups would have something like that? I could undestand if the SoL got it's hands on it but THE most compromised group of hunters, who had shit go missing from the vault more than once?

>>98497555
they are not compromised anymore just like the red monks of the arcanum or the cloister mages behind the knights of saint georg all the supernatural influence behind the SI is just dropped without explaination

>>98497024
ghouls aren't people anon

I once wrote an Ananasi who's a tailor.
>They deserve better silk than whatever Pentex spews out

>>98497706
One of the Ananasi I have is a stock broker

>>98496502
>Irad split in two: Eldest and Saulot
Which one's the evil one?

>>98495739
>resisted all attempts to open it
>you know for sure it has a fuck off old vampire in it
At some point you just break out all the C4 you can find.

>>98496229
>Kindred and Beast definitely aren't.
They're both red headed stepchild splats

>>98497024
Heather is THE BEST depiction of an abusive relationship in like, any video game.
It never, ever acknowledges at any stage that what you're doing is fucked up, several times she'll even push what she does to you, but it's fucked up all the same. You can convince yourself what you're doing is for the best, that you don't want to hurt her... but you're still the one who decides how she dresses, where she stays, take from her what you want, and isolate her from the rest of her life, destroying her dreams of a future forever.

There is no option to treat her nicely. No matter how much an abuser wants to, they can't. They don't know how. And being an abuser is in the fledgelings blood now.

>>98498402
What's abusive about it?

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>>98498402
it's a good thing VTMB2 corrected the record on this, we must be better vampires!

>>98498108
The Eldest was his idea of what was evil within him but Saulot is evil in a "devoid of base desires" kind of way. Saulot created the Salubri & Baali, & he subverted the Tremere to search for an evolution to the kindred condition. One would be martyrs & seek evolution through atonement & kindness, one would be demons & search for change through defilement, & the Tremere to find a more direct magic manipulation such as their creation of gargoyles & the ritual that let's you walk in the sun. Saulot did these things clinically like a schizo scientist. The Eldest on the other hand sought to evolve directly through manipulation of the flesh directly.

Saulot wants to find a solution through through the spirit, Eldest through the body. Two halves of a whole.

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Outside the use of vissitude and protean, how far can a cainite alter their form? and by what means?

>>98498515
>how far can a cainite alter their form?
Just keep racking up the disciplines that give you changes. So Quietus to see spirits (permanent bloodshot eyes), Obeah/Valeren for the third eye and go kiss up to some Gargoyles for Visceratika to first get stony skin and then stony insides.

>>98498515
Serpentis also offers some amount of polymorphing.

>>98498515
Damn, that Tzimisce chick fucked that ghoul Up.
Can he even feel pain anymore?

>>98498515
i guess technically the obtenerbration 8 power that allows you to become a two dimensional shadow would be the furthest away from your normal form

>>98498515
Thanatosis - Dust to Dust, become pile of ash (from which you can rebuild yourself)

>>98498515
They should advertise the Tzimisce girls like her instead of that thing in v20

>>98498515
Horrid Form I guess?

>>98498515
I like the idea of a Gargoyle with the extra Clan Weakness of Harbinger of Skulls...

But you can be a Tremere & make some crazy monstrosities with the Garden spells/rituals then stuff your soul into it. Also adding fomori mutations & lupine transformation to the list. You can also get the third eye of Saulot through a flaw or the Discipline

You can also backdoor Demon Lore & get Lore of Flesh to backdoor Vicissitude like sculpting but that might be cheating

As always Tremere do it best

>>98497211
Its been a minute since I looked at nwod/cofd what's so crazy about them?

>>98498812
There are some CQC fighting styles that let you auto-hit anyone that comes within striking distance. Might not seem like much at first, but unless the fight is over in the first turn that damage piles up. This is just for starters.

>>98498829
*Might not seem like much at first since it's just a flat 1 damage box, but unless the fight is over in the first turn that damage piles up.

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>>98498807
>As always Tremere do it best

>>98498855
Face me in Certámen

But can the Tr*mmy colonize the moon? Checkmate Chantry scum

>>98497024
If you're tremere or nosferatu, and get the special clan exclusive haven, does she still die? Feels like the sabbat would have a harder time getting into the chantry or the nos gooncave

>>98498906
yes the sabbat pick her up while she is outside although it's implied that if you are a tremere then strauss might have something to do with it as he disapproves of your attachment to her, but it's not confirmed

>>98498906
I think the only ways to save her are either by letting her before confronting the sabbat go or installing a mod that tells her not to leave the haven

>>98498898
Tremere can IMPREGNATE the Moon.

But also... Movement of the Mind/Path of Mercury & a shit ton of blood, you could do it easy

>>98497024
Time to get another ghoul.

>>98498898
kinda there is a ritual that takes out the path of mercury's range limit and vampires have gone to the moon with it

problem being that on the moon there is no food and also there is no equipment to do the ritual again on the moon so getting off is pretty hard and that is if the reflected sunlight on the light side of the moon does not kill you in an instant

>>98498957
Engage the Vessel of Transference to teleport whatever you need to you. Also, what's the ritual to remove the teleport limit?

>>98498961
i can't look for it right now but i had a character with it

it was in one of the older edition (pre v20) books that had the path in it

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A rat snitched my sister Nell.
(with Tremere on the Moon)
Sabbat found her and fucked her well.
(and Tremere's on the Moon)
I can't pay no protection bill.
(but Tremere's on the Moon)
Ten years from now I'll be paying still.
(while Tremere's on the Moon)

>>98494371
all of them because i cant get my group to try them beyond one session and get bored or jump to another idea for a game. most successful game i had was my only irl game GMing and it was like 4 sessions of VtM

>>98499029
Which of VTMB's female PCs is the hottest one, and why is it the Nosferatu?

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i got the Carapace Cross ending in cultist simulator recently where the player managed to use occultism to transform themselves into a prehistorical mothman who in that setting abbandoned their forms to become human possibly to escape their mad god(s) and it makes me wanna homebrew were-moths for wta

>Moths use incoming light from the moon like a compass so they keep their flight paths angled in the same direction. When a bright light that isn't the moon is visible to them, it overrides their sense of direction, like holding a magnet close to a compass needle -- the needle will point toward the magnet instead of pointing to magnetic north. The bright light does the same thing to a moth.

>You will make Order from Chaos. You will build great structures in MY name, and you will thrive in multitudes.” They all agreed, save for the moths, and Weaver immediately crushed the spirits that were held within the earthly moths, destroying them before they could do anything.
the one would obviously have to be downplayed for them to exist at all of course

so far i have
>weaverish, but on the weaver's shitlist for choosing luna and gaia over her
>can't savely side step unless the brightest light they can see is luna's
>gifts about transformation and rebirth some glass walker and anasi gifts but mostly just those that mess with technology. if i want to take the cultist simulator reference further than also shadow, chaos and confusion gifts as that's the moth's domain in that
>wyrmish were-moths follow the Death's-head hawkmoth as totem and have some necromancy gifts
>similair struggle as the kitsune in that they didn't get assigned a proper job, but in their case it's not their age but that they said no to the weaver before they got a job assigned to them
>as they didn't declare for the weaver they would not have been targeted by the ananasi in the insect wars

>>98499205
>Weaverish
>Ga*ans
>etc
WtA really gaffed by not including outright Lunar Heretics/Contrarians as a faction

>>98499205
Moth was the one Insect Race that chose Gaia instead of the Weaver's bullshit, she was ripped apart for it & then the Spiders killed the rest.

Not saying you cant do it, but how woukd you have some mothmen survive?

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>>98499093
Them Br*jah girls got me acting unwise though.

>>98499205
>i got the Carapace Cross ending in cultist simulator recently where the player managed to use occultism to transform themselves into a prehistorical mothman who in that setting abbandoned their forms to become human possibly to escape their mad god(s)
that's not quite what happened. the book of house gives us far more infos about these guys than cultist simulator: the Carapace Cross included all kind of insect beings with the Moth Carapace Cross being called the Glaeterfleoge-kind and they been tied to the first generation of Gods the so called gods from stone who came to existence presumably with reality or earth itself and those started to be replaced by the Gods from flesh (gods born from ritual and or sacrifice) the Carapace Cross had to turn human (who somehow came to existence with the gods of flesh) or die as reality changed around them and while the Glaeterfleoge-kind had it better than the rest because one of the gods from flesh was "the moth" god of the first hour and like you said chaos, darkness, maddness, confusion and the woods outside of reality. who they had a connection and a small population of them is still around but hidden however most of them still decided to turn human instead of fully binding themselves to a mad god

now however the gods from flesh are being replaced by a third generation of gods. the gods from blood (ascendent mortals) and the rules that made it so hard for the Carapace Cross to exist are becoming weaker (the second game also has the pre-humanity "Scale" aspect return to reality) and people who have ancient ancestors who used to be Carapace Cross can awaken their bloodline and turn into them which is what the cultist in that ending does

i know not really on topic with wta were-moths, but i don't really know much about wta and the secret histories games are something i am way too into

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>>98499278
>t.

>>98499309
>>98499205
You guys think the author is a WoD guy? He's clearly interested enough in the occult

>>98499324
there was a bit about helios worshipping wolves and were-wolves in ancient rome and a worm infection in vienna in the games that could be read as wod references and one of the house is also called the unconquered sun, but the ttrpg he himself wrote is mostly based on CoC

I watched Xam'd and I'm like "Damn, that'd make a good Remade."

>>98499253
> but how woukd you have some mothmen survive?
i was thinking that for a cosmic entity of order that wants to control the entire cosmos the weaver is actually kinda sloppy and uninterested on checking on her minions. That is the basis for high autonomy drone gameplay and how the anasi managed to pull off the insect wars in the first place

so i would go less with weremoths surrived all of human history hidden from sight but with some moth spirits been hidding in luna's realm (because of the whole moon compass thing) till they got drawn back to gaia by the artifical light of cities which then trapped them there which caused weremoths to become a thing again. very likely due to some help from gaia so that they won't be trapped as pure spirits that close to the weavers web