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>>98499497>James Workshop says you have to kill off a founding space marine chapter permanently in the next edition, who are you decimating?Space Wolves are killed off by a GSC cell.
Let Chaos Idols take this thread!
This is who I get my 40k lore from
It’s funny how awful most of 40k lore is. I think people confuse the “bloat” of its lore with quality.>TQSpace wolves and blood angelsWe don’t need Mary sue factions in 40k.
>>98499511Tits not big enough.
>>98499497I say Iron HandsJames says who the fuck is that
>>98499511I came across that chicks old car mechanic grift shit, is making slop 40k vids really that profitable?
>>98499497Space wolves.
Tragedy kino
>>98499497>James Workshop says you have to kill off a founding space marine chapter permanently in the next edition, who are you decimating?I'd prefer not to kill off any of them, but if I have to pick one, it's Raven Guard. They don't really do enough differently from anyone else, or add enough. Being "the stealth guys" is pretty meh when every Chapter is supposed to be able to do stealthy shit with their Scouts. Black armour is done better by Black Templars, plus Iron Hands also kind of do it too although they make it more interesting by adding tons of gunmetal. And unlike many other Chapters that mix multiple themes at a time Raven Guard have nothing else going on. It's just shadow this, shadow that, sneaky sneaky, zero other defining qualities, almost no major historical wars they were relevant in.
>>98499517Nah, Iron Hands will always stay in James' back pocket when they need to quickly offload models by making a fucked sub-faction rule for them.
>>98499514>most of 40k loreYou haven't read most of it so how are you judging.
Fuck ON guardbros
>>98499530I think the last major outing I remember RG on was the Damocles crusade books in 7th ed, but all that really happened was their chapter master got fusioned by Shadowsun and the White Scars overshadowed the RG past then.
>>98499533I’ve read enough to know it’s not worth pursuing. The only thing that matters is the community, even if that’s degrading, but oh well.
>>98499526>tall eldar gfBased
>Tau>Eldar>VotannThe blessed trio of surprisingly reasonable factions that actually have stakes to the battles they fight and can't just afford to throw infinite disposable manpower at every problem.
>>98499526I hope she pegs him with her new
>>98499539>I’ve read enoughName ten 40k books you've read from the first 20 years of the games lifespan that aren't novels.
>>98499514Why are you such an attention seeking bitch?
Helldivers 2 is getting so many good memes...How do we even compete..
>>98499497>TQThe first founding chapter I think matters the least and whose absence would not affect the setting in any notable way - Raven Guard. They don't do anything. No compelling stories featuring them, no standout characters. Even Iron Hands at least have the moirae schism.The chapter whose destruction would create the most interesting narrative conflict - ultras, with their primarch still surviving of course. Tons of delicious tragedy because of ultramar being gone, heavy blow to the Imperium, billions of "good" people being killed, great stuff.
>>98499554Ask >>98499555
Wanting to do cavalry but I also want to do armor, ideally mechs. I'm between>Rough riders>Thunderwolf Cavalry>Vertus Praetors>Sydonian DragoonsGenuinely what role do they fill best
>>98499548All the codexes up to 7th edition, after 8th I think I’ve only read taus, chaos marines, and admechs codicies.
KINDKOLOSSALKUSTODESKNOCKERS
>>98499586>kustodes>kind
>>98499556Who should destroy the Ultramarines?
>>98499510Okay
>>98499599NTA but I think the 500 worlds campaign ending in the chapter being decimated by the Necrons could be an interesting plot point, especially if Guilliman survives and has to deal with the fallout of that mess.
Best unit for this feeling on the table?
>>98499526Did he get his other arm blown off too in the meantime kekOr did author make mistake since that's the wrong arm in last pic
>>98499629
>>98499526Not a bad ending. They can still do meditation ala Yrliet romance and have soul sex despite the wraithguard body.
>>98499622Honestly I could see some kind of "arrangement" being made to fuck over Imotekh in exchange for cutting back on the PNs. Ultramarines get decimated but SK holds up his end, and we deal with three plot points at once.
Power spear
We coulda had three pages of actual discussion as it slid to page 10, there was no need to make a new thread just to shitpost with shitty images. Shameful display
>>98499497>who are you decimating?T-sons
>>98499644>Not an aircraft unit
>>98499652fuck the Silent King though, actual dogshitshoulda remained a shitty footnote instead of getting the absolute wanking they've given him
>>98499530Ravens' problem isn't aesthetics, it's that they're the pragmatists in a setting that doesn't reward pragmatism. It's the same reason Peter Turbo got shit on so often by literally everyone around him. Fighting intelligently in 40k is a novelty at best, not a winning stragedy.
>>98499586>cuntstodes
>>98499664Could always have the Tau destroy the Ultramarines, that would be the funniest ending
>>98499629If I recall correctly, Dark Angels have the best air superiority units in the Imperium, Eldar have those warlocks fighters though.
>>98499599I think it would make for a narratively compelling event, yes.
>>98499497>TQIron Hands would probably be the least noticed loss. So I'm going to say Ultramarines. God that would be so much fun to ride out. Do we have to kill them off? Can we just have them do another civil war and split the Imperium again? Just keep cracking the whole thing in half over and over again.
>TQ Imperial fists have been dumpstered over and over and have been overshadowed by their successorsif its to be anyone it really should be them
>>98499656Power scythes
>>98499497>TQIron Hands, It'll piss off 4 entire people worldwide and then life will go on as normal.
>>98499599Word Bearers or the Tau, whichever option you think would be funnier.Being for real tho the only nearby dudes who might actually be able to pull it off would be the Nids finishing the job or Imotekh steamrolling the smurfs with a billion Necron doomsday weapons.
>>98499497>TQSpace wolves
>>98499694I think most factions "could", but it'd either require some writing chops or be an alpha strike that would then have to go unanswered or the house of cards would come down.
>>98499599Word Bearers with Lorgar at the helm, performing a huge ritual that caused a warp storm to cover the entirety of ultramar.
>>98499497Probably iron hands. All the space wolf hate makes me want to play them.
>>98499669is this yuri or just a very androgynous tau
>>98499715only one way to find out
>>98499715those are two different tau and there's nothing even remotely romantic going on
>TQWhite Scars, they literally never do anything.
>>98499497>TQspace wolves
These guys will probably get the AXE...
>>98499497Finish off the blood angels and resurrect sanguinius. That shit would be so cash.
I have a tiny penis and I need orks now.
>>98499629Aircraft have been gutted in 40k nothing feels like a dogfighter, but I have heard good things about the 40k aircraft game, and also the star wars aircraft game. I would just go ask about Aeronautica in the warhammer specialty games thread.
Call JG Orksworth, 877-ORKSNOW.
>>98499629The Tau are generally pretty air focused for a faction, IIRC they have the only flying Titan equivalent
Do word bearers like saying the gamer word?
>>98499776Uh anon the galaxy may be a nightmare hellscape of the worst horrors your mind can conjure but even Chaos would never ever ever EVER do a heckin' racism.
How is the warp real, like just close your eyes nigga lol.
>>98499514>confusing BL sloppa stories with loresad
>>98499786Boy love?
>anti-guardfag wants the thread to be just like thisQuality posts I see
Anyone else want to get shrunk down to the size of a grain of rice and just live in the foreskin of the emperor? I bet its really warm.
>>98499788>anti-guardfagthat's called a normal human being
>>98499793What could possibly be normal about hating the most based underdog faction?
>>98499787almost, black library. but the horus heresy books could be catagorized in the boy love genre.
>>98499808>most based underdog factionAre you talking about Tau or Eldar?
>>98499808redditor
>>98499813While both of those are also based, they're not underdogs. Eldar have consistently had strong rules and now have a great plastic range, tau have grown out of being just the new kids on the block and also have some stupid strong shit.>>98499823Since when did appreciating guard become reddit? Newgen take
>>98499808>main armed forces of the galactic empire>underdog
>>98499825guard have always been the reddit factionalso>newgenself-report, tourist
>>98499808On an individual basis any single Guardsman is an underdog, sure. But as a collective? They're as much an 'underdog' as the Tyrannids, Orks, or Chaos is with their unending hordes.
>>98499826>>98499827Sure thing secondaries>>98499834Also based thoughbeit
>>98499837>Oops I accidentally used my gen alpha slang revealing how underaged I am better baselessly accuse others of being what I amYou need to post timestamped models if you're gonna make accusations like that, you know that right? You're not a newfag, right?
>>98499808>>98499825>>98499837Not a model belonging to you in sight and you call others secondariesLol!
>>98499497>kill off a founding space marine chapter permanentlysalamanders would make the most sense given their habit of throwing away their lives to save people. they're the only founding chapter you could write a genuine tragedy for rather than it being a comedic jobber moment. the others are either too numerous to actually remove (wolves, ultras, dangels) or too small to matter (ravens, scars, iron hands). having two green loyalist chapters is also bad design.
>>98499837>thoughbeitstop retard
>>98499841>>98499844>>98499854Y'all are so sensitive, biiiig yikes!
GSC bros have you successfully magnetised a truck / rockgrinder? Is it hard to do? I haven't even opened the box yet
>>98499788stop ban evading
>>98499622>>98499669Lol, maybe when xenos start paying rent GW might consider it.
Now that I'm 2 (small, 1000pt) games into 11th edition I can gather my thoughts on it a little more concisely. It's not bad at all honestly, and just from a game feel perspective it's better than 10th so far. Dispositions are a little funky in terms of what they're asking certain armies to do, but the actual missions for them are fun and keep things fresh so far. I dunno how that's gonna feel to me when we're a year+ in and I've played into all of them but for now it's good.Terrain and cover is definitely the biggest change to the game so far and makes the game both more and less lethal at the same time. I can see for other armies like guard this probably feels fucking terrible but I kinda like the swingy nature of cover giving -1 BS, since it makes stuff like psychic attacks actually have a place in the game and incentivizes getting in close or finding ways around cover. My opponent's GKs got in close with their psi cannons here and just blasted my poor CSM to bits with psychic shots punching straight through my cover. Anyway, the terrain areas do stick out like a sore thumb but they do a good job at stopping the L-shaped hell that was 10th ed tables, so it's not terrible. I'll probably try to find some 3rd party ones that are less intrusive for my home tables.Objectives being tied to the terrain footprints themselves though is a massive upgrade from 10th. Makes more thematic sense for most armies besides like Nids.Biggest gripe so far was navigating the dumb little deck for how to set up the table. It feels like a lot of steps that are better suited for a competitive environment; in my own games at home I'll likely just save myself the time and fiddling around with exact measurements on it and just make sure the terrain and objectives are mostly symmetrical.Blogpost over.
>>98499877>Biggest gripe so far was navigating the dumb little deck for how to set up the table.You didn't download the pdf? Some fudging on distances is necessary anyway, as no one really plays on a 60x44 table, do they? 72x48 minimum for 2k games imho.
>>98499776
Are 500 point games common enough to make buying smaller lists worthwhile? I REALLY don't feel like painting a million units but I do want to branch out into other factions.
Is combat patrol a good way to learn the game? I am a total beginner.
>>98499885>as no one really plays on a 60x44 table, do they?My LGS unfortunately has a few of the new table sizes and a few of the older, normal ones now. My opponent had already had his stuff up on one of the smaller tables so I just shrugged and went with the flow on it. We were playing a 1k game anyway so it wasn't the end of the world there. My own table at home is the size God intended though, 6'x4'.
>>98499899just play killteam
>>98499904or boarding actions. Has anyone tried it?
>>98499908Based veteran of the long war.
>>98499901playing any sort of game will help learn
>>98499899Could you stop posting these retarded Chris Chan tier fetish images please
This is how I Iron Hands.
>>98499902Are you the gsc poster too? Your game photos look so similar
>>98499933Nah, I don't play GSC. My only armies are CSM and Votann.
>Grey Knights had a character go out of stock without intention of replenishing itI wonder if the absolute joke of 10th edition Grey Knight’s releases have compelled James to prioritize them in 11th.
>>98499946
>>98499526Arguably an upgrade.
>>98499969Fuck OFF Destinyfag
>>98499969Please stop being weird.
>>98499974>t.Admechfag
>>98500019Metal is an upgrade
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98500033Wraithbone isn't metal, it's a psycho-plastic.
>>98500033nonce artist
>>98500053Pedo website you should probably post somewhere else like facebook>>98500050Semantics
>>98500033Took me a while to realize what the jokaero had created.
>>98499990>>98499991I'm running out of unique kneel pictures. I need to post anything I have saved from any source I have. All the others I have anons have already posted therefore I am unoriginal for posting.
>>98500068Nice try anon. You're trying to get us to help you by posting kneeling pictures, therefore replying with pics kneeling to you. Are you even >>98499969 or just a crafty anon wanting others to kneel before him?
Which army has the most newfags itt nowadays?
>>98500093Space Marines it's always been Space Marines they are the front and center of the franchise.
I like Jokaero
>>98500093I second >>98500096 not just because of the advertising but because of ease of entry. Maybe Custodes as well because big armor guys instead of many smaller guys is easier to assemble, paint, etc. Definitely more marines than custodes but this same design logic helped WoC in WHFB and Sigmarines too.
>>98500093Marines and Orks
>>98499497>who are you decimating?Ultras. They're just too boring. Force GW to use some other chapters for once.Also, decimating means to kill off 10%, not kill off completely.
>>98499497>>Thread Question:>James Workshop says you have to kill off a founding space marine chapter permanently in the next edition, who are you decimating?imperial fists, they're useless
>>98500113They've technically already done it once, anyways. Imperial Fists are a mask held up by successor chapters in memory of their father's legion.
>>98499530Ultramarines, I just want to see how will GW manage without them.
I hate those clear terrain footprints with the white border everyone is using. I feel like they'd be way better if the border was just black
>>98500131I reckon they would make Garlyman go against the Imperium and set up his own >notUltramarines
my malignant star empire is moderately more beneficent than your malignant star empire
James Workshop if you can hear me please give us new chaos bikers this edition
>>98500169
>>98499497>>Thread Question:Would destroying them kill them all or have survivors forced to make a new direction in life? Because Space Wolves being shattered and survivors being forced into being quasi-successor chapters would be the biggest upset they ever get.
>>98500169Don't stop there, gimme a lord and sorc on bike too!
Chaos knights should get flyer swarms. Kinda like what tau have with their drone things, but more spikier and eviler. With skulls and flesh and ovaries decorated in them.
I just realized I don't remember any weapons in 40k that are concentrated high energy particle cannons like Gundam beams.
>>98500191that's lasers
My creations of bile so far
>>98500191Isn't that like, Necrons' entire thing?
>>98500201Doomrider my nigga
>>98499864The weapons are easy to magnetize. If you want to keep it between a truck and rockgrinder, don't use glue to attach the front part. You can put poster tack in the spot where it attaches to the front of the chassis and switch between. You need a drill and small magnets for it.I lost my Lascannon, got another on the sprue but I'll do it later.>>98499933It's the thin depth of field probably, I use an actual camera for my games. The widest angle lens I got is still very narrow for the games, and I need to open the aperture very wide to make up for the lack of light and high shutter speed so it doesn't come out blurry at the cost of wide enough depth of field.
>>98500201Cumfy
>>98500093Marines. What the fuck do you think?>hey guys, if 2 + X = 4, then what is X?
>>98500249So, chaos knights?
Started a ghostkeel
I know I'm beating a dead horse here but I fucking hate intercessors. Not only is the name stupid, they lack both the variety in wargear of 40k tacticals and the mass produced numbers of 30k tacticals. It's especially stupid when they are getting a second kit in the exact same edition where Boyz are getting 3 special guns per 10 models. Would it have killed them to give intercessors 2/3 special guns and rename them to tacticals? Even the space marine 2 class that represents intercessors is called tactical for fucks sake.
>>98500284sorry kiddospace marines are aspect warriors nowwhy give them a 3 special weapons when little Timmy will forget to use them every game?
>>98500284I love the incest sisters
>>98500219alrighty ill give it a try next chance i get, honestly ill probably end up getting a second truck and just making it a rockgrinder but atm ill probably just run one vehicle depending on what detachment i wanna play
>>98500289Timmy is also getting orks and having to remember to use 6 special weapons and 2 nobs in every single boy mob.
>>98500284how this make you feel, marineboy?
>>98500282love these thingsjust proonted one and i was having second thoughts about going through with more but then it clickedthey're super rad
>>98500306>BS 5+all those guns and they cant hit the broad side of a barn door
>>98500306A new kit that not only respects the name, playstyle and aesthetic designs of the old but also adds new toys without replacing or removing the old ones? Deeply and violently jealous. And I say this as someone who also plays orks and has 80 old boyz.
>>98500302they know that deep down the average ork player is more intelligent than the average marine player, so they trust the orks to have more toys to work with.
>>98500312>+1 to hit on demand in you are the path
>>98500284Are these Space Marine Heroes minis or 3d party stuff?
>>98500321Those are models from the corsairs kit, just not glueing the chaosy bits. They really show what a modern firstborn kit could look like and the variety in armour parts it would have.
>>98499526>tfw no tall Eldar art hoe gf
>>98500306I haven't done the math but off the rip the Big Choppa seems like such a braindead autotake over every other option on the Nob.>Why yes I would like to make minimum 6 attacks vs. basically every unit I will ever be wanting to hit for the price of one less pip of AP and largely irrelevant strength diff because most vehicles are outside my strength range and the extra attacks outweigh doubling the T of weaker targets while losing at minimum more than half of my attacks
>>98500306I will say though that all those lethal hits make absolutely no fucking sense. What is that supposed to represent? Shootas are basic as fuck as weapon goes. They don't have special ammo or any characteristic to justify lethal hits. It's just gamey as hell and I hate this type of design philosophy.
>>98500331Once again, the lack of wargear costs is fucking retarded.
>>98500326>black eyesStop.
>>98500336I'm more triggered by the na'vi noses tbqhwyfampai
>>98499899No, if youre asking that question that means you don't have anyone to play with and are going to go ro some place for pick up games, nobody is going to want to play 500 points except to pity you. Get 1000 points or play combat patrol. Also how the fuck did you even find these pictures, what were you doing that you saw these.
>>98500284"Intercessors" is the best fucking name for a space marine unit there is.An "intercessor" is someone who prays or intercedes before God on your behalf in christianity. Saints are often invoked as intercessors, for example.This dovetails perfectly into 40k fluff where marines are seen by imperials as semi-legendary religious figures, literal Angels of the Emperor who save mortals on His behalf. You pray for them to save you and they do.
>>98499621>basedfrostStay here.
>>98500331You're taking the big Choppa because it's optimal for the units Boyz are fighting against.I'm taking the big Choppa because the nob gets to hold a huge two-handed axe which is sick as fuck.We'z not da same.
>>98499526The prosthetic is on the wrong arm.
>>98500333I think they said something about big bullets that do lots of damage when they actually do manage to connect? Still sounds like weak justification.
>>98500348I am aware of the concept but intercessor is not a word ever used for it, at least not in my language. So I don't fucking care. Tactical squad is a better name and has been the core unit of marines for 40 years. Changing it at this point is dumb as fuck.
>>98500333Bottom-up rules design. It doesn't have lethal hits to represent the actual gun thats being fired (see:necron warriors), it has lethal hits in order to make the unit's shooting against infantry more viable.You can argue whether this is the correct decision or not, but that's ultimately the reason why.
>>98500358Tech priest was doing mandatory two for one deals that day.
FUCK BLASTI SHOULD BE ABLE TO BLAST INTO MY OWN TROOPSBLAST SEVERLY LIMITS GUARD SHOOTING
>>98500364Sure but you can make the gun just as statistically better with other rules that actually make sense for the weapon.
>>98500358picture of the doctor on staff that day
>>98500374Preaching to the choir. I also think it's retarded to use lethal hits for that purpose.
Does it make sense for a custom heavy melee chapter to use death company rules?
>>98500372I should be able to just shoot at my own units.Let me take a unit of grots just so I can kill them on turn 1 every single game. Sends a message to my opponent. Not the message that I didn't need them, it sends the message of just how much I fucking hate grots.
If GW decided one day they wanted to show that the Tau had finally grown large enough to be taken seriously as a threat to the Imperium, what would be the best way to show that difference in power from before? They can’t just conquer another hive or forge world or destroy another 2nd founding chapter, they’ve already done that before, it would have to be something significant but that wouldn’t feel like an ass pull out of nowhere.
Will the new non-push fit Ork Boyz set come with multiple flamers/Rokkits etc so I can get em for my Armaggedon Boyz? Or will there be some upgrade sprue at least
>>98500282>ghostkeelThat's clearly not a spirit, or even boat...
orkbros what datasheets are we expecting to see today?my guesses:>nobz OR warbikers (not both)>battlewagon>tankbustas
>>98500391Defeating Ultramar in a war. They don’t have to conquer the whole thing, but there’s 10 Space Marine chapters defending Ultramar, plus god knows however many other successor chapters Guilliman would call upon. It would be tens of thousands of space marines up against the Tau, similar to what we see called upon to defend Cadia and Armageddon. A “partial victory” where a few dozen worlds are shaved away from the 500 worlds but Maccrage is still safe.
Kairos Fateweaver appeared to me in a dream and told me Thousand Sons were getting a refresh sometime in the period of now and 10 years from now.
>>98500398I really want to see the new nob datasheet because I love the current loadouts and I fear they are just gonna kill them right when combis being unfucked would mean all 3 should be viable.
>>98500391It's a matter of making the rate at which they expand clear, and that it happens even when their enemies put as much resources as they can into stopping themas an example>the tau presence in the nemyar atoll has a sudden growth and they get to control an area roughly as large as their main empire, with the difference being that this one has way fewer tau and way more auxiliaries, while their main empire mainly has tau>before the fifth sphere expansion ends, the tau develop a way to ride across the length of the warp rift splitting the galaxy in half, giving them a way to extend their influence further out, establishing 4 new distant beachheads (and giving players a better excuse for distant tau locations)>the next step is the 6th sphere expansion which is projected to grow those beachheads into, once again, regions as wide as their empire, which would close their influence onto the galaxy, controlling it in its entirety you don't need to reach the actual end to say that this is a likely incoming scenario
>>98500423My guess for nobz:Melee weapons>Kustom krumpas (all weapons boxed into one profile as mentioned)Ranged weapons>Combi rokkit/shoota>Kustom shoota>Skorcha>SluggaYou think they get to keep their bodyguard rules? Or are we gonna see a new ability for em? I kinda like their role as a warboss protector of sorts. Makes me think the boss is keeping his best ladz around him for maximum krumpin
>>98499864Not hard. The rockgrinder weapon attachments all go in the same arm turret, the only additional piece to complicate things is a fuel canister for the flamer which is also easy to use magnets for setting up. You can magnetize the flatbed cover if you really want to but I didn't bother and I doubt any opponent is going go complain about an uncovered flatbed when you field it as a rockgrinder. The drill ram is probably the most complicated part. I made the mistake of fully assembling the vehicle hull before figuring out magnet placements - for this one I think the best thing is to get magnets on the inside of the truck hood before you assemble, where the support pistons for the ram sit. The other point of contact is on the bumper and it's not as clean of a surface to try and put magnets on because the ram fits over a couple fixtures on the bumper that are concave. But if you can get the piston contact points magnetized, it should be enough.
>>98500391Starter box opponents to Marines.>>98500407That's just setting them up to be stomped by Titus.
>>98500306jfc what a mess
>>98500398are we seriously getting another battlewagon wtf, i spent the last year painting this fucking ork army and now its all being replaced fucking REEEEE
>>98500448No? You're replying to datasheets, not models.
>>98500434>one melee profile yeah fuck this im done, who wants my ork army?
>>98500323Jesus I knew that the kit was pretty good but damn
>>98500452wouldnt it just get released in the codex, i dont see the point of this drip feed shit
>tankbustas>5 shots each>s 12 ap -3 a flat 5 damage
They big
>>98500457They do a showcase of a few units to hype up the codex.
>>98500461I dont like how the kaijus are all samey.
>>98500306>never too bury to fightGoddamn it James, you had one fucking job.>TQSpace yiffs. I will never forget back in 2nd and 3rd when these faggots got pushed to the moon by the devs. They’d run interference by publishing bullshit results from muh sekret staff games but in every public tournament, space wolves would take 3 or 4 out of the top 5 spots. Fuck Gav Thorpe, fuck space Viking werewolves, and fuck the ball washers that take the knot and brag about it.
Wew
Look at this galaxy map. Take it in. Do you need more? No, you don't.
>>98500488this shit is feral i hate compfags so much
>>98500489dunno, go ask /hhg/
>>98500494ECKS DEE EBIN MEME XDXD
>>98500488it's amazing how fast the meta changed to just pure skew lists.
>>98500533>remove the game mechanic that prevents skew lists>list become skewedImagine my shock.
>>98500429>1st sphere expansion brought the Tau to 8 septs>2nd sphere expansion expanded the Tau to 100 worlds >3rd sphere expansion was said to have grown the empire by 133% (233 worlds now)>4th sphere expansion largely failed but established 3 major sept worlds and conquered the Nemyar Atoll which had “several worlds” (at least 236 worlds)>5th sphere expansion is ongoing, considered a major success, won’t know how many worlds it has taken until it’s over>6th sphere being planned, going to use a new and improved slipstream drive, will happen concurrently with the 5th sphereThe writers are bad with math but if we assumed every sphere expansion roughly doubles the size of the Tau Empire like the 3rd sphere expansion did, and they don’t give the 6th sphere expansion the same treatment they gave the 4th sphere, the Tau Empire should have roughly 1,000 worlds by the end of the 6th sphere, which would make it a regional threat at least. By the 10th sphere, they would have 15,000 worlds, and that’s when they’d actually be a serious threat.
>>98500533>people are skewing in Teams, the single most skew-friendly format, while running Custodes, an army that has basically no non-skew ways to playImagine my shock.
>>98500459Fair and balanced
>>98499877Fucking around with card decks and fiddling around setting up templates to set up a game is a genuinely dogshit experience.
>>98500538force autism charts, you fake grogs love this shit
>>98500538The loss of FOCs was the death knell to this game. Vehicle armor facings and blast templates getting removed earlier were warnings that whoever is writing the rules doesn't have a clue what they're doing.
>>98500459It's okay because they're BS 5+, which means they'll never hit anything ever.
>>98500410After deldar and GK get refreshed, tsons really will be some of the oldest plastic in play huh.
LGS had a few boxes of Kill Team Exodites on display; I was very tempted to buy, but I haven't finished painting what I have, so I resisted.
>>98500582>+1 to hit when shooting vehicles and monstersi doubt they will scrap that ability desu
>>98500567>implying that FOC wasn't dead in 8th edition>the edition that actively encouraged you to snap the FOC over your knee in the core rules for gameplay advantagelmao real newfag larping hours
>>98500587blog on
>look up ebay listings>postage: 302 CAD
>>98500595They were making FOCs weaker every edition since 5th dumbass. Do you think this observation makes you intelligent?
>>98500583no, there are plenty of older plastic kits around, thousand sons don't even need an update to their kits, they need new shit
primaris refresh when?
Got some orks primed and undercoat slopped on yesterday while painting with some friends. About 50-60 models. It’s going to be slow progress but it’s nice to cut through a massive chunk of models in one go for a change.Anyway what are you anons working on?
>>98500607In like 10 more years probably.
>>98500538force org was such arbitrary, unbalanced garbage.
>>98500583I think after GK and DE it's Tau and then CSM for oldest overall ranges. TSons is up there though.
>>98500627>>98500566>newfags screeching at the mere thought of having to actually plan their army listslol
>>98500607they sell extremely well so it'll just be older kits getting minor updates until the sun burns out. there's no major issue like there was with the firstborn scale that needs addressing.
>>98500284God these are really well done. I think the best models I've seen in this general. I don't know if it's the schemes or Mk. 7 helmets just being that good.
I like orks :D>>98500448if it makes you feel any better, if they’re like the new trukks you’ll easily be able to field both without the old ones looking out of place or being against the rules unlike SOME releases.
>>98500634I didnt like it back then and dont want it now
>>98500634you think there isn't any planning now, nogames? force org existed to make everyone buy from a limited selection of plastic kits, and depending on your army it was either irrelevant or an annoying tax.
>>98500540NEED big tiddy Farseer wife.
>>98500644How terrible, you had to make an actual army in the past instead of spamming 1 unit you happened to like. (because it is over powered)
>>98500583The Tson line released in 2016/2017, it's only a bit older than the Death Guard models.
>>98500655Good thing nobody ever spammed units back when we had Force organization charts.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/s1rads41/ork-datasheets-first-look-bigger-tougher-ghazghkull/
>>98500583I think the army with the oldest models on average are chaos demons. Chaos spawn and most of the non-greater demon sculpts are from 2005-2010.
>>98500668>aeldarifagsOf course!
>>98500669Waaaagh!
>>98500644>you think there isn't any planning now, nogames?Yep. Now all you do is take three of the strongest unit in your army. Then you take three of the second strongest unit in your army. Then three of the third strongest unit in your army. Then you take three Battleline units and an HQ and you're set for tournament play. And before you try to argue "but the strongest isn't the most versatile" you're already wrong right off the bat. Versatility is dead in 10th and 11th, all the strongest units can do pretty much everything, kill tanks and infantry just as well.> force org existed to make everyone buy from a limited selection of plastic kits, Now you just buy the best skews in the army and half the codex will never be purchased by anyone, ever. Great business strategy!>and depending on your army it was either irrelevantThanks to detachments removing the entire point of FOCs, yes, which ruined 8th and 9th the same way removing FOCs ruined 10th and 11th. >or an annoying tax.You mean it did its job correctly and you didn't like that.
>>98500668>posts an example of 9th edition detachment rules that allowed you to bypass FOCsSo nice of you to prove my point, retard.
>>98500669wtf, so anti whatever doesnt really exist anymore, the weapon increases in strength when attacking those units. also ghaz losing his sweep profile, reeeee
>>98500677>a power klaw is now referred to as a "kustom krumpa"GAY GAY GAY REEEE GAY
>>98500669is this photoshopped is this an april fools jokewhy does a battleline unit have 15 weapon profiles
>>98500677>nobs kit comes with 3 ammo grots>having any number of ammo grots does not matter as its a once per battle ability, so you might as well have 1 grot>this is clearly padding out the box so it looks like you get more models and they can charge more
why do all of these ork ranged attacks have lethal hits, are they now death guard?
>>98500669>>98500677LE LE XD XDXD :DD LE I LIKE ORKS XDDDDD
Thoughts on Astartes Anonymous?
>>98500706Dude you're retarded
>>98500601They started even earlier, the CSM 3.5 codex (claimed by grogs everywhere as the holy grail of 40k) let subfactions modify the force org chart and YOU WILL NEVER GUESS WHAT HAPPENED.
>>98500707>eceleb slop tuber that makes shorts on black libary trashPointless and irrelevant.
>>98500695it's because they don't have enough power claws for all 5 models and many of them will run around with a normal power axe that inexplicably gets str10
>>98500644I mean there's a lot less planning when the FOC meant that if you took 3x vindicators you weren't able to take any other heavy support and now you can take those 3 vindicators, 3 gladiators and 3 ballistus in the same list.
>>98500677Isn't this a straight massive buff to already decent units or am I missing something? (Looking at waha rn) +1w, +3S and +ap on the base melee, buff to ranged options also. Just looking at the datasheets and none of the other special rules. JFC my wraithblades look like absolutel DOGSHIT compared to these new Nobz. They're going to have to be 120+ pts per 5 right? RIGHT?
>>98500677I don't like merged weapons man.
>>98500681>but the strongest isn't the most versatile" you're already wrong right off the bat. Versatility is dead in 10th and 11th, all the strongest units can do pretty much everything, kill tanks and infantry just as well.Let's be honest here. Versatility in 40k has not paid off since 5th edition at least. Who the fuck ever gave a mix of heavy weapons to their devastators?
>>98500669I really like Ghaz's new rules. Very flavorful, but also streamlined in nice ways, like making Makari a token and thus removing the fiddly as fuck 2++ shenanigans that used to happen. Ironically, despite the gigantic glowup in stats for him, it's probably easier to kill Ghaz now than it was before. He also (unless something else changes) won't be getting a feel no pain.
>>98500669The battlewagon is still in the photoshootsI'm more and more convinced the rumor that the battlewagon was getting updated stemmed from retards looking at the two build options for the front and thinking they were different kits >>98500640
>>98500698A Tactical Squad has 23.
>>98500668Why do you retards always point at 8th and 9th's fucked FOCs that might aswell not exist and not the ones the game used from 3rd to 7th that every single person who asks for FOCs to come back is actually talking about?
>>98500698Because GW in 10th thought that weapons shouldn't be modular so now they have specific stats on each datasheet. This is the same amount of weapons they've always had.
>>98500756>from 3rd to 7thFrom 3rd to 4th5th edition was a joke because half the armies had ways to make your favorite units troops, and the less we talk about 6th and 7th the better it is
>>98500752I don't like that he can't join meganobz anymore.
>>98500721WAIT YOU DONT LIKE ORKS :(( D: ?
>>98500704>Shootas and similar firearms have also gained the Lethal Hits ability when targeting anything that isn’t a Monster or Vehicle, because when you fire that many bullets in the vague direction of your enemy, you’re bound to hit an eye socket or exposed cable somewhere. This should help Orks compete in a game where lots of their opponents will be hiding in cover, and the change applies to most shoota-like weapons in the Codex.
>>98500774>because when you fire that many bullets in the vague direction of your enemy, you’re bound to hit an eye socket or exposed cable somewhere.Yeah that's why you give them more shots or sustained hits, not lethal hits.
>Ghazkull has morphed from a big, tough leader [...] into an outageously powerful beast more akin to a primarchOh boy more powercreep this will be great before long we'll have T5 W3 marines.
>>98500691>also ghaz losing his sweep profile, reeeeeHe has Cleave 2, it means it has 11 attacks when against a unit of 10 models. It's going to be better than sweep 90% of the times.
>>98500756>nogames arguing in bad faithwhat did you expect
>>98500706Faggot
>>98500746NTA but just wondering what is peoples issues with merged weapons, to me it just feels like i get to build what looks great and not worry im getting fucked in game for liking my nobz with big axes over power klaws
>>98500780Anon we already have T6 W3 marines
>>98500780We have those
>>98500770Ghaz joining units was always weird, he's so much fucking larger than anything else in the army. I like him being a monster with a buff aura much better.
>>98500785XD ANON, XD LE :DD XD
>>98500788>>98500794Now I feel old thanks anon. I don't even know what's going on anymore.
>xenologyNOTCANON
>>98500787Because it removes choice and it removes part of the appeal of specific weapons when they are not distinct from the others. It just takes away from everything.
>>98500787The argument is that it removes options and the ability to customise a unit on the tabletop to suit for your need and micromanage points (you have 20 points left in your list? Let's give 2 Power Fists to these units). Personally I don't care much for it on units like Nobs because nobody was equipping them with a mix of weapons anyway (except that period in 5th when they could abuse wound allocation that way) and there was always one option that was so superior to everything else that you were shooting yourself in the foot if you didn't use it.
Well, I do feel sorry for you if your army is getting a codex near the end of the edition because this is some crazy power creep lmao.
>>98500812On the bright side I'm looking forward to my robots being like T12 with S14 fists or whatever, but ad mech's probably getting shafted again anyway lol.
>>98500803It's canon to me
>>98500677They didn't even make a token effort to bring the old models forward with a lame generic profile. The melee equipped ones are fine, as are the kombi-rokkit ones, but any kombi-skorchas I guess will have to be fielded as just straight Skorchas.
>>98500819>but ad mech's probably getting shafted again anyway lol.Same as it ever was.
>>98500825Except for one month in 9th where everyone fucking hated them because they bullied old codices.
>like GK aesthetics>hate their lore and models>like DANgels aesthetics and models>hate their lore and their latent gayness>like SW models>hate their aesthetics and lore and their latent gaynessMaybe I'm the target audience for Black Templars.
>>98500812You should also feel sorry for Orks and other early codexes anon because we know the powercreep is not going to stop, so they are going to dominate for three months and be useless for the remaining 33
>>98500803More like XDology
>>98500787Let me use another example that happened in 10th. We all know plasma weapons. We know what they are good against amd that they can overheat and explode. We know what melta weapons do, they punch hard but have very close range. Now the game replaces both with "leader rifle" that your sergeant can take. You can use the bit you like in the model, sure but now all the flavour and choice of the weapons are gone, replaced by an abstraction that's disconnected from what the models represent.
>>98500828You know that's one of the reasons for why successor chapters exists right?
>>98500812Has GW ever given like a roadmap of codex releases ahead of time?Because that would be nice
The XD poster is really bringing the vibe down
>>98500819If my elves are going to stay T3 1W it would be nice to get army wide -1 to be hit stacking with cover fuck.
>>98500068is this avgn?So this looks like a house living room or something, or a basement that's been refinished. But then the ceiling looks like an office or old school cafeteria.
>>98500787A lot of it is a personality thing, in this specific case though I find it particularly annoying because *one* wargear option for melee was brought forward into the new datasheet that previously the entire unit could be equipped with (big choppas) and so now you are forced to either leave a bunch of them on the shelf because you can't bring as many anymore, or play really fucking stupid proxy games where you have to lay out for your opponent every game which big choppa nob is actually carrying a big choppa and which one is a "kustom krumpa".
>>98500819AdMech codex is in 2028 as per the leaked knight sprue but trust it's so late because they are adding all the 30k units like Custodes
>>98500774>change cover rules to make ranged attacks less lethal>the very first codex of the edition is designed to get around that new rulewhat the fuck are they thinking?
>>98500837Yeah they used to.
when are eldar getting a codex
>>98500838He's just awful
>>98500838GW taking away even more options until every unit looks like it's from AoS is killing my vibe even more.
>>98500837Yes they did for 10th.>>98500829Actually yes. I'll let them enjoy their time in the sun and quietly pity them because I know dark times are coming for them...t. Eldarfag
>>98500847Remember when at the very beginning of 10th they changed Battleshock to make it more impactful and it turned out they made it less relevant than ever?
Why is Hunter not a core rule for fucks sake this is One Shot all over again
>>98500655People spammed them anyways, the only difference was that the bad units were never taken period because taking a bad unit meant directly losing out on a slot that could be used on a good one.
>>98500859I remember when they said "fewer rerolls" and then the first rule they showed was oath of moment.
>>98500862>Why is Hunter not a core rule for fucks sakeIt is
>>98500853I've heard lots of people say near the end of the edition but I don't have any reason or evidence to know that will be the case.
>>98500847Remember when they said there would be less rerolls, only to almost immediately reveal that Marines were getting a faction rule entirely dedicated to shitting out rerolls?Tabletop is based on which army gets to ignore the most rules now.
>>98500845I want the 30k units so badly but it just isn't going to happen and it makes me sad. That leaked knight is going straight to the knights codex so they can make the big bucks.
>>98500863How were you spamming when the FOC has a limit of 3 per slot?
>>98500201In 2e this would be a 2000pt army
>>98500847Seems like they do this shit every time but it gets more ridiculous and retarded with every loop. Wait for codices in the middle of this edition to just bypass half of this stuff while weapons and profiles get boosted to obscene levels.
>>98500866It's not a weapon USR.>>98500869Never say never. Any excuse they had is gone with Custodes.
>>98500867grim...
>>98500873It's all part of the plan. They'll fuck the entire game up so they can sell another complete revamp, except this one will be even worse.
>>98500201BUT IF YOU CLOSE YOUR EYESDOES IT ALMOST FEEL LIKE NOTHING'S CHANGED AT ALL
>tankbustas are bs4+tankbustas are bs4+>tankbustas are bs4+tankbustas are bs4+>tankbustas are bs4+tankbustas are bs4+>tankbustas are bs4+tankbustas are bs4+
>>98500870There were a bunch of ways. >making something a troop.>Changing the role so that for example an heavy support become elite. >Gaining extra slots. >Making something a dedicated transport>There were ways to take things without them occupying a slotIt varies a lot from army to army. In all of 5th and 6th edition for example Tyranids could take Tervigons as both HQ and Troops.
>>98500884It's ok I'm just going to keep painting and playing them. Everything will work out.....there will be a dataslate that fixes things....maybe.
>>98500875>It's not a weapon USRBut it's a core rule
>>98500677God I fucking hate this one specific weapon for every 5 models autism just fucking let people take what they want
>>98500847To be fair, -1 to hit is actually genuinely crippling to ork shooting, far, far worse than +1 to saves was.
>>98500907Would be a lot better if all those were exclusive, so you just choose one. This schizo loadout bullshit needs to stop.
>>98500847>what the fuck are they thinking?"You know how those saps just bought all this shit based on the rules we published a bit ago? We need to sell more models, make the next update directly counter the last rules so meta-chasers buy these units to make up for their armies being nerfed (before we then flip the meta back or to a new thing)."It's back-and-forth design commonly seen in live service video games that do "season" content patches. You sell the product once, then intentionally make it unbalanced in one direction to "encourage" players to invest more time/money to abuse the gimmick, then make a new gimmick a few months later so these same players then invest time and money into that one, constantly chasing the "new meta."GW doesn't care about the game, they care about money, and making the game unbalanced in this "rotating meta" way generates more money.
>>98500896They're mek adjacent. Orks CAN aim like a humie, but Boyz just usually don't bother
I like kill team tbqh
>>98500875Yeah at this point it is just a massive excuse, as if they could go against the idea of selling more plastic for what is the most expensive army already.>>98500887I can only really imagine how fucked up this game can get. They took away tons of my variety and now it's just "Mechanicus Pistol" and "Mechanicus Weapon" or whatever. What a sad state of affairs.
>>98500913>>98500919The duality of man
>>98500916>Orks CAN aim like a humie, but Boyz just usually don't botherBased point-shooters.
>>98500917Who asked?
I'm scared what the Space Marine Codex is going to look like if Ghaz is currently tougher than a Primarch.
>>98500931
>>98500954Ghaz's model is actually significantly larger than Guilliman. It would be fucking funny if Ghaz was stronger than Guilliman or the Lion.>pinnacle of imperial genetech and progenitors of the space marines>or>one big green lad grown naturally
>>98500907You'll have to wait for some future edition where they decide to just undo this modern design approach for easy nostalgia-yanking
>>98500901We will get an Exodite detachment with new rules. Then maybe Karandras, or potentially even a fire prism refresh to tide us over until the codex drop. Sure the power creep will be bad but we will be able to hold out.
>>98500954why wouldn't ghaz be tougher than a primarch?
>>98500812I think it's more likely that the codexes coming later will be more OP than they are now.Power creep tends to trend upwards, not downwards. It's the armies that are getting their codexes *now* that will be feeling sorry.
>>98500962because his armor is made from donkey kong barrels
>>98500964waagh magic
So which is it going to be? Orks get way more Elite or every other Army gets turned into a horde to compensate with point drops?
>>98500968both
>>98500959Very funny that Ghaz is still an infantry model while the will primarchs are all monsters. He is by far the biggest and toughest infantry model in the game.
>>98500972Primarchs are becoming Infantry 99% with the new codexes
>>98500954I still remember 9th edition when Orks on a big squig had a better profile than C'tans
>>98500964And? those barrels are obviously tougher than a primarch.
>>98500803>xenology for ants
>>98500968all armies get toughness creep to step up to marines
I'm thinking of going Astra militarum for my first army, and I want to go full Krieg. Is this a good idea or should I mix and match my units? I just like the idea aesthetically of going pure Krieg.
>>98499924>>98500347
>>98500993Do whatever you want man balance ebbs and flowsYoure not going to tournaments anyway most likely so just do what you like
>>98500964Armour is save. Toughness is the dude inside.
>>98500954Ghaz basically has a Daemon Primarch statline with 1-2 less toughness and slower movement, abilities aside.
>>98501001This has not been true since 8th edition
>>98501001the dude inside is a little mushcuck made of squishy space mycelium
>>98500669I'm so confused as someone only just restarting the hobbyIsn't Ghazghkull going from T6 W10 to T10 W16 fucking insane?
>>98501009>squishy space myceliumWrong, he's dead 'ard.
>>98500982The Qorl empire, in xenology, is based on ants.
>>98501009Thus very tough. A nail in your hand will do much more damage to you than to an elephant even if the nail pierces just as easily.
>>98500998Okay that one is funny.
>>98501010Because he used to have stats like any other meganob while being twice their size.
>>98501001wildly inconsistentTerminator and gravis armor for instance both boost toughness
>>98501009Mushrooms aren't easy to kill without specialised tools.
finished pathfinders with a transparent purple over sliver basecoat. ghostkeel for comparison using the same purple over a gold basecoat instead
>>98501010T6 in that edition was low, they clearly put him there because they were making efforts to avoid characters having different toughness values from the units they could be attached to
>>98501009space mycelium is hard as hell, your basic shit is made of collagen, his basic shit is made of chitin
>>98501010Yes, that's the reason people are obviously worried about the powercreep. That said, Ghaz being T6 was an anomaly caused by how leaders worked in 10th edition and the fact that he was able to join a unit. He used to be T7 in 9th edition when T7 was the equivalent of current edition T10.
>>98501022I kill them with my stomach acid
>>98501023wow these are poppin anon, great job!
>>98500968unless orks double in points cost, it is going to be a nightmare. armies like ad mech might become dollars per point armies instead of pointers per dollar armies.
>>98501014more like bees
>>98501014>xenologynot canon
>>98501010No, because there is context that matters. As others have pointed out, his toughness (and wound count) was unusually low for a model his size (ghaz is gigantic) because in 10th GW decided he should be a leader and thus had to fit into much smaller units and have profiles not too far away from theirs. He also had Makari with a 2++ taking A LOT of hits for him, but he's lost that now, as well as the ablative wounds from the unit he used to be leading. This means that, most likely, he's actually easier to kill now than his 10th edition profile.
If theyre powercreeping the whole edition they have to know to release alot of codexes fast… right?
>>98501043it's canon because I say so
>>98501048First time?
>>98501010T6 was a severe nerf from his old stat line. He was T7 in the same edition that Rhino chassis vehicles were T7. T10 is just what he's supposed to be
theyre just gonna have like two viable armies for months lol
>>98500738Its five orks dude, why couldn't you give them all their weapon options?I don't care if the kit had 4 sprues and costs £45 I'd still buy it, as it is it'll cost £40 and come with a random assortment of weapons. Hard pass. This shit is why I don't like the chaos terminator kit.
>>98501010>>98501053Oh and he used to only be able to take 4 wounds a phase and had 12. To kill him in one turn you had to psychic, shoot, and melee him for 4 damage.
>>98501050based
>>98501048lmao
>>98501035Vespids, based on VESPIDAE, are wasps/bees but the Q'orl are more like flying ants in their morphology.
>>98500998Oh dang, new official slaanesh design?
>>98501048Just cross your fingers that your army isn't back of the line buddy or front because while you'll be strong for the first few months the rest of the edition your army will be low end mediocre at absolute best
SOON>Codex Titanicus>Codex Traitor Titanicus>traitor guard detachment>Grey knights refresh>kabalites refresh+vect>rhino replacement>new ultramarines character>legion of the damned supplement
>>98501062>the Q'orl are more like flying ants in their morphology.are you blind or what? they make hexagonal hives, they are bees, regardless of the galaxy also having wasps
>>98501062>he doesn't know
>>98501062The fact that you have to clarify this is the exact reason why Q'orl will never be hard canon have models
>>98501050And xenology is not canon because the voices in my head said so.
>Devilfish was released in 200125 years and counting and it still slaps. I have a hard time to name any other kit that aged this well.
NEVER EVER>codex qorl>tarellion kill team>codex hrud>tau auxiliaries expansion>Krootasaurus release>space marine supplements for lame chapters like salamaneders>upgrade sprue for word bearers>catachan refresh>steel legion refresh>butcher surgeon>codex lost and the damned>codex eldar knights>bright stallion>sisters of battle being useful in any capacity
>>98501082the voices in your head are nomodel secondaries, so they don't count
>>985010489th edition, one of the worst editions in terms of powercreep, had Imperial Guard receive a codex when three months were left until 10th edition
>>98501073doesn't look like a bee to me, mate.
>>98501062You do realize that ants and wasps are related, they are the sister orders in taxonomic bracketing.
>>98500896AND kill kanz get bs3+ against anything below T7This is the edition of Ork Dakka
>>98501072Not every thing that gets a release also gets a separate codex, anon.
The only real canon are the things on the table as models. Yes I consider custom characters more canon than the "characters" in BL "novels"
>>98501084The Wave Serpent
>>98501084GW should refresh this ugly old shit
>>98501084Land Raider.
>>98501087The voices in my head are interdimensional alien vampires who have lived for a million years. They have all the models, and models that you will never have.There's also a lizardman, his name Fr'ed
>>98501092Wasps have stingersAnts don'tThey're pretty different
>>98501091I didn't say it looks like a bee, I'm saying it makes hexagonal hives. which makes it closer to a bee than an ant because it certainly doesn't look like an ant either.
>>98501095>The only real canon are the things on the table as models.So the Emperor of Mankind isn't canon then? And neither are chaos gods?
>>98501094SOON
>>98501102Valid.>>98501096It's decent but I was never a huge fan of the transparent bits.
>>98501084the kit did not age well. it fits together like shit. god help you if any of the large pieces warped at all.
>>98501103>They have all the modelsno, they don't, Fr'ed snitched on them, you're getting duped
>>98501104https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraponera_clavata
>>98501106It's canon that the models believe is something called the Emperor of Mankind or the Chaos Gods
>>98501094>>98501095TRUE
>>98501106Absolutely correct.
>>98501104They are both Hymenoptera, wasps are basically flying ants.
>>98501107Not every thing that gets a store section also gets a separate codex, anon.
>>98500669Eldar bros… did we fly too close to the sun? Ghaz can insta-kill every phoenix lord with his extra attack.
>>98501109I'm assembling my third Devilfish right now and I love it. It builds like a dream compared with the boomer Drop Pod or 40k Rhino.
>>98501110Fr'ed you fucking faggot retard.
WAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!
>>98501106Correct. We don't know if the Emperor even really exists or if he actually died 10k years ago or what, he's just an idea, a legend that people in the Imperium tell each other.The Chaos Gods we also don't know if they actually exist or are just lies told to us by Daemons, or if the distinction even matters given that the Warp is a place that manifests ideas and beliefs.No mini, no proof it's a real thing.
>>98501095
>>98501119
>>98501112But neither of those are canon though. They don't have models, so they can't be canon.
>>98501031Your body spent millions of years evolving to eat some mushrooms, even then often the mushrooms kill you too. These are ambulatory space mushrooms. Very hard to eat unless you're a tyranid.
>>98501104Some ants have stingers anon, and you are being a bit too silly about all of this given that the two are extremely closely related taxa.
>>98501127>We don't know if the Emperor even really exists or if he actually died 10k years ago or what, he's just an ideaIf Emperor isn't canon he doesn't exist, period. Not even the idea of him.You can't be wishy washy with this, if it has no model, it is not canon at all. It doesn't exist.
>>98501095>tfw two mass-produced Crisis suits that make up about 10% of a sample hunter cadre are enough to take out one of the 10,000 CustodesYeah I’ll accept it
>>98500993All-in Krieg isn't "optimal" right now but it's not throwing either. All of the Krieg units are good as-is, but there are better alternatives to all of them. Combat Engineers (they're actually Grenadiers) are very fun to use and have no alternatives however.Siege Regiment (the Krieg-themed detachment) isn't very good though, consider something else. A full "Krieg infantry models" roster would be very well served with a few Leman Russ driving around the battlefield as well.
>>98501141No, lol.
>>98501085>>steel legion refreshDidn't GW tease exactly that already?
>>98501136I think they just have little mouths that bite
>>98501142>picI 'member when in 9th crisis bricks could shred in melee
>>98501152It depends on the species, there are like a gorillion species of ant, some have stingers.
>>98501129Not every thing that gets a page in a guide also gets a separate codex, anon.
>>98501150>hey guys we drew this pic on a napkin>silence for 4 months
>>98501142Custodes deploying in any kind of major battle is retarded and always has been. It doesn't fucking matter how awesome they personally are and how much archeotech bullshit they got strapped to them when some traitor guard dude sits fifty miles away and shells their position.
>>98501122Thats Eldar. I'd like them to give Asurmen his bullshit 3++ back but its never gonna happen.
>>98501123I put one together earlier this year and I had to sand down a lot of the corners to get it to fit reasonably well together. seems like the molds for the kit are getting worn down. i swear it was easier to put together when it first released.
>>98501150No, they teased a kill team for them.
>>98501158LookTitanicus is comingYou will either get with the plasticization of the Warhound, which will also be reduced to only 800 points, or you will get run over.
>>98501173The titan is coming, but not a separate codex, anon.
>>98501129>fold Adepta Sororitas, Adeptus Custodes, Deathwatch, and Grey Knights into Imperial Agents>fold Adeptus Titanicus and Imperial Knights into Adeptus Mechanicus>fold Black Templars, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Space Wolves into Space Marines>fold Chaos Daemons, Chaos Knights, Death Guard, Emperor's Children, Thousand Sons, and World Eaters into Chaos Space Marines>fold Genestealer Cults into TyranidsSo much cleaner.
>>98501166Space marines have this exact same problem senpai. So do Eldar when they're forced to fight a pitched battle instead of just jumping some random underhiver for the crimes of his great great grandkids
>>98500677Is it just me or does the Kombi-rokkit have no limit on how many times per game you can use it...I just finished modelling 6 meganobz with Kustom Shootas am I gonna be nerfing myself this edition.
>>98501177also votann into tau, and dark eldar into eldarand mechanicus into the guard
>>98501150They showed a piece of concept art and said "in 2-3 years."
>>98501166That's why they're only supposed to be used in teleport strikes at places that are not being shelled
>>98501177GSC into Tyranids isn't that clean. As a CSM player I'd like to be able to take Khorne bersekers again tho.
>>98501186>also votann into tauMaybe.>and dark eldar into eldarNo.>and mechanicus into the guardNo.
>>98501192hypocrite
>>98501188"In 2-3 years" is by definition not "never ever" tier because it WILL happen eventually.
>>98501186>dark eldar into eldarnearly happened pre corporate restructuring with the Ynnari plotline
>>98501144Nta but you seem to be misusing “canon”If youre saying things without models arent canon then the other anon is correct in saying that they wouldnt even conceptually exist in-universe
>>98501191There's nothing stopping CSM from taking berzerkers.
>>98501194That's what they said about WHF Kislev before dropping all mention of them.
>>98501152No alot of them have stingers, its actually more common than not
>>98501191They actually did it in second edition and it was fine. Plus the two armies share the Purestrain Genestealer unit.
>>98500961I forsee one or two hyper specialized lists that catapult the eldar to a crazy high winrate despite the codex creep, just in time for the new codex to drop and completely destroy the army. but dont worry, marines will still be T5 3W and 7" movement with rerolls galore and uns that shit out rapid-fire, blast, lethal hits, and all have assault for good measure. oh, and the ppm will of course be less than the equivalent from other armies.
>>98501193Not at all, those are completely different situations.
>>98501180Yeah it gets real retarded sometimes. Like we know a battlesuit is on average better than a space marine in combat, and about 1 in every 10 Tau is given one, so how the flying fuck is Cato Sicarius and 1,000 Space Marines keeping a 1 million man Tau army busy and not just being mulched into dust? Hell, how are 500 space marines able to be considered a contributing force in any battle when they’re vastly outnumbered by a superior equivalent? They need to pump up the numbers of space marines drastically in their conflicts, add three zeros. There should be a billion space marines, not a million, they’re not THAT good to justify such a low number.
>>98501186In fairness Eldar and Dark eldar are already both multiple army themes in a trench coat.Eldar are also Harlequins and Corsairs and Ynn*ri and might also end up being Exodites too.Deldar are Kabals, Cults and Covens who all have their own distinct aesthetic.Whereas Marines with far less visual variety get individual codex releases. I know thats because they're the setting favourite and the one stop shop for all the paypiggies but still.
>>9850066985 points per 10 the rumors say…
>>98501150They wanted to squat them, but it got awful feedback so they announced that they were working on it alongside a timeline suspiciously similar to what they need to create something from scratch.
>>98501221>In fairness Eldar and Dark Eldar are already both multiple army themes in a trench coat.This, exactly. And they've always been separate codexes since the Dark Eldar were added in 3rd. Almost everything else listed here >>98501177 actually did used to share a codex with at least one other faction in its line of greentext.
>>98501219The excuse is expertise, veteran experience, coordination, heroics, plot armor obviouslyPlus they can infinitely restock themselves with geneseed and all that
>>98501219Its the 100 year old veteran murdered by a bug literally born yesterday problem. The logistical advantage some factions have over others should be overwhelming but it just isn't.
>>98501106Does a board game token count? He had that in the old White Dwarf Warmaster game and in the Horus Heresy board games.
>>98501176Oh the codex is coming my friend, and you will be be beneath my titanic heel.
I can't decide if I like trans color space marines or trans color sisters of battle. Help me decide between them nona
>>98501221>Deldar are Kabals, Cults and Covens who all have their own distinct aestheticThey have differences but they aren't that different. They are absolutely fine as subfactions. They aren't more different than Destroyers, Canoptek and basic Necrons are for example.
>>98501221>Kabals cults and Covens all have their own distinct aestheticIf you say so, they all look like Dark Eldar to meMight as well say bikes are a different aesthetic from terminators
>>98501221>and the one stop shop for all the paypiggies but stillIs that even still true? I feel like everyone playing marines has already bought everything they want and anyone looking to get marines is just going to buy 2 - 3 boxes of infantry and some dreds and call it a day.
I am a total newfag to the hobby, but it seems that the tabletop game is the worst aspect of the hobby, while painting and progressing as a painter is the most rewarding aspect.
>>98501242I'm not into bdsm or into men in high heels, maybe try offering that to a space wolf player.
>>98500998I dont know how to jack off to this.
>98501243how about you transition from this mortal coil with your bait.
>>98501243shitty bait
>>98501250Thats how people here treat it yesThey also think lore is cringe or something despite it being the only thing keeping the setting interesting, I’m sure better wargames exist but they dont have such developed loreI enjoy the tabletop game and dislike painting personally so you will figure out what works for you
So what's the point of psyker levels if there's no disciplines?
>>98501177>>98501191I don't want them folded into the same faction but it would be pretty cool if Tyranids could take Genestealer units I say purely because I play nids and think that cult units are really cool and I wanna use them too without having to drop the cash for a whole army
>>98501250Converting and kitbashing is actually the most rewarding part.Painting is a chore at low levels, and a chore at high levels, it's only rewarding in-between a specific sweetspot.
>>98501191CSM can explicitly take Berzerkers unless rules have changed in the last week. It's everything else like Berzerker Lord on Juggernaut that is world eater exclusive.Arguably WE get fucked since Lord of Skulls and Master of Executions are also CSM, so you can easily run your TM chaos Khorne warband that is unrelated to WE or whatever
so every unit in the eldar army will have psyker level 1, right?!?!!
>>98501250>but it seems that the tabletop game is the worst aspect of the hobbyObjectively correct.>while painting and progressing as a painter is the most rewarding aspect.Depends on personal taste, but I find it to be an acceptable view.
>>98501245The difference is that they don't have core units. Only subfactions. There's no baseline Dark Eldar unit you can add a subfaction to, like Necrons have their core infantry. They are designed as a 3-pronged army now and everything else has been cut away from the range
>>98501243Fuck off.
>>98501248This might be why other factions have been getting niche release waves. GW already tricked marines into rebuying their entire army again with 8th, they need at least two more editions before secundus marines come out.I swear to god during 8th and 9th it felt like marines were half of all new releases, thats slowed down a bit tho which is nice.
>>98501266lollmao even
>17 detachments>not a single one allows you to run traitor guard as battleline and gives you the ability to Brood Brother in a bunch of IG tanksGWFUCKING WHY
>>98501248>I feel like everyone playing marines has already bought everything they wantLol. The vast majority of Marine players in my club always, always buy every new marine release in 3x at least.
>>98501258>They also think lore is cringe or something despite it being the only thing keeping the setting interesting, I’m sure better wargames exist but they dont have such developed loreI don't hate it but as I've grown older I've grown to view it as a vehicle for my own stuff rather than something I take particularly seriously on its own exactly as the creators intended
>>98501250tabletop exists for me to run cheese lists to spitefully ruin some autist's daypainting exists to soothe my soul while I think about suicide
>>98501236Sure but that’s the thing, infinitely restockable geneseed means that Space Marines need to be treated like the supersoldiers on a budget that they are. They’re the Spartan III’s of supersoldiers, just good enough to throw a lot of them at a suicide mission and complete it, not good enough to survive it. But to make sense, there needs to be way more of them. Each space marine, at minimum, would probably produce 2 space marines later (more if they live long enough for their gene-seed to be passively harvested over time) so how the hell are there only a million of them after 10,000 years?
>>98501279You will buy the Lost and the Damned(tm) codex and GW approved Lost and the Damned(tm) models when GW sees fit to release them, goy. Until then you will enjoy the GW approved models you are allowed to enjoy.
>>98501266Do you even know something about Eldar lore?
>>98501293It's not even like I'm against a codexBut it's been years and the fix is right thereEither release a codex or fucking give me a detachment to run a leman russ alongside a daemon price and squad of traitor guardShit or get off the pot
>>98501290Made me kek
>>98501250I like the lore, everything is fucked and everybody sucks.
>>98501263Kitbashing isn't really possible as a newfag, you need to have a few dozen kits to really have a nice selection of spare bits to make something cool. The other day, I tried to buy the crotch armor piece from the assault terminator sergeant, and the availability of pieces is really hit-or-miss. Or the shipping price makes it totally unfeasible, and it just makes more sense to buy the actual kit the bit comes in.
>>98501292>so how the hell are there only a million of them after 10,000 years?the imperium keeps their numbers down to prevent centralisation of military powers around them
>>98500669I like the flamer changes.
>>98501292seems to be working for them so far
earlier this year I developed an obsession with buying and selling Huron masters of the maelstrom, trying to collect a small kill team worth of barghesi and tarellians. I have doubles for those, plus the apothecary and the traitor guard admiral lady since hoverboards are cool, but lacking the two lame guys and Huron himself. Sometimes I think about gathering the remaining 3 models. But I never bought a raider captain or raiders either. And if I did buy raiders I would want to make them Atargatisians instead of Maelstromites.
>>98501250Look I'm not gonna lie because what your saying is true but its also gratifying to see your work on display with a beautiful board and get a bunch if high rolls so I do enjoy both.
>>98501307That's why, as a newfag, you should immediately seek a source of recasts, a local game store with a group of like-minded hobbysts, and an open mind to be as creative as possible with the bits you have available, instead of the bits you wish you had.
>>98501318>earlier this year I developed an obsession with buying and selling Huron masters of the maelstromwhat kinda turnover you get on that action
>>98501301But anon the balanceTM!!!
>>98501221Ynnari disappoint me.Apocalyptic Eldar Death Cult sounds like a very fun theme for an army and "They get stronger when you kill them" is an otherwise unexplored mechanical niche thst you could absolutely build a whole faction around.Its genuinely sad to see an idea fumbled this fucking hard.I'd have preferred a wild hunt rip off to what we got.
>>98501320I'm a newfag and it just now occurs to me that you could have more than 2 people playing at the same time. Is this common? Like, 3-4 players playing on the same board?
>>98501307I needed a single jumppack and realized it would be easier to buy the entire jump pack intercessors kit, keep one and sell the remaining as singles to jack up the prices and recoup the costs than it is to buy a single jetpack.Possibly even sell the packs separate from the intercessors, because sometimes people are like "wow five jump akc intercesstors, NIS, for only X dollars" because buying a single kit is a huge fucking pain in the ass.
>>98501270That's honestly bullcrap. First of all, >everything else has been cut away from the rangeIs just bullshit. Literally every unit that got cut away from the range still is included in the three subfactions + random mercenaries. Second, their "Core units" are kabalites, and the only reason Kabals are treated as one of the tree subfactions is because they added mercenaries to them. One could even argue that their core units are the boats, which are homogeneous across all the subfactions.And again, they are not that different between each others. A unit of wyches and a unit of Kabalites aren't more separate than a unit of Hormagaunt and a unit of Termagants.
>>98501331Yea you could but its not common or balanced
>>98501328that's what happens when something is made entirely with ends in mind then throwing away those ends
>>98501266Only in a hypothetical war in heaven game. Modern Eldar need a billion years training to learn how to psychic without dying.
>>98501270>>98501221Literally just look at pre 8th Deldar they are only separate subfactions for completely arbitrary reasons
>>98501315I mean tbf for most of the 10,000 years they had way fewer people to actually challenge theme. Necrons weren’t woken up yet, Tyranids hadn’t arrived yet, the Tau didn’t exist or were still primitive, and Chaos was still contained behind Cadia. The only enemies the Imperium really had to worry about for 10,000 years was Orks and Drukhari and sometimes Chaos.
>>98500998This is what felinids canonically look like
>>98501334Even better, I wanted to buy some HH-era termie bits to use on my Indomitus pattern termies >find the pieces at a good price>Fill in billing and adress etc etc>the store is based in the UK and they do not ship to the EU God I hate brexit
>>98501331Don't listen to that guy, he's a permabanned shitposter who fakes games, he knows fuckall about the game
the new ork datasheets do not make good reading to someone still struggling to remember to use all the special rules on my units. I think they listened to the anti-"simplification" crowd when writing this bloated mess. it's almost videogamey how much stuff is meant to be happening with each unit.points better be through the roof to justify the power on these lads.
>>98501337Kabalites have less in common with wyches than wolf guard terminators have in common with deathwing terminators.But kabals+cults are two subfactions in the same dex and wolves+dangels are two different codexes.
>>98501218They are very similar situations, votann go in tau because they have a small roster and have an excuse to be allied to the tau at times, and wouldn't go any better anywhere else.Dark eldar are also a small roster and have an excuse to be allied to the eldar at times, and wouldn't go any better anywhere else.The admech also have a small roster because fires of cyraxus never ever, and would logically follow the imperial guard the closest due to the sheer numbers of machinery to maintain, and putting them as well in agents feels wrong.The only other alternative is making one mega-imperial big book instead of 3 imperial books: marines, army, agents
>>98501292>so how the hell are there only a million of them after 10,000 years?There's more than that, we don't know exactly how many.The usual line of "there are a thousand chapters" is a colloquialism. In many places it's actually written "over a thousand chapters". So a thousand is the minimum estimate. It could well be something like 1,200 or 1,400 or even more.Then there's the old "each Chapter is 1,000 marines" but this is also not strictly literally true. They are organized with 1,000 battle brothers but that doesn't count Command squads, Honour Guard, Champions, Ancients, Apothecaries, Chaplains, Librarians, Techmarines, Dreadnoughts, or literally anything else that isn't Tacticals/Assault/Devastators/Scouts (and Scout squads have extras waiting in the wings to immediately rotate into the Scout company the second there are openings).On top of that many Chapters just ignore the 1,000 limit anyway, with the most obvious examples being Space Wolves, Salamanders, and Black Templars, but this isn't unique to them. In fact the whole point of the BT fluff was for GW to say "you don't need to be an extra special First Founding chapter to ignore the 1,000 limit, these guys do it and /yourdudes/ can too". Ultramarines have some now old obscure lore but still at one point was canon stating the rules for how to divide and alter their company banners to go up to 50 companies in times of prolonged war, so at some point they were at 5,000 marines (plus all the extras).Then, the bit most people miss, is that Warp travel = time travel, so some fraction of the marine fleets around the galaxy will go fight somewhere, Warp to the next planet and travel back in time 4 weeks and now end up fighting in two or more places at once.Taken all together you've got something like 2.5 - 5 million marines at any given time. Lore states there are around 10,000 active warzones in the Imperium, marines fight the 10% hardest, so about 1,000 warzones, each with 2500-5000 marines.
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>>98501292If you actually read the most basic lore of the faction you would have your answer
>>98501361lying sack of shit
>>98501383>In many places it's actually written "over a thousand chapters"is it? where?
>>98501391Well look on the bright side your sacrifice means that Dark Eldar stay their own faction and Slaanesh isn't getting squatted
>>98501396stop ban evading
>>98501349Actually why do the furries all like the Imperium anyways. Is it cause of the Beastmen?
>>98501305Did you just quote Limp Bizkit?
>>98501409mind your fuckin business
>>98501410Wouldn't they like Chaos then, with the unit literally called "Beastmen" in the roster?
>>98501374>Kabalites have less in common with wyches than wolf guard terminators have in common with deathwing terminatorsYou should buy some eyes anon. Their differences are that one unit has rifles and one unit has pistols + knives and that Wyches have less covering armour (no helmets, right arm uncovered). Thats like the difference between scouts and Assault Intercessors. Or Votann basic infantry and Berserkers. Or I could go on
>>98501320>models painted like shit>fake game played alone>I do enjoy both.
>>98501410>why do people like the most popular factiontruly a mystery for the ages
>>98501371>the new ork datasheets do not make good reading to someone still struggling to remember to use all the special rules on my unitsSounds like a you problemMost units have literally 1 unique special rule. Most of the bloat comes from different weapon options.My only complaint is the "1 of each" special weapons in each squad instead of having a set number of guys you can upgrade with your own choice of special weapons. Will slow down shooting so much.
>>98501383>Warp travel = time travel, so some fraction of the marine fleets around the galaxy will go fight somewhere, Warp to the next planet and travel back in time 4 weeks and now end up fighting in two or more places at once.so you could meet your younger self and have sex with him?
>>98501328>Elven empire regularly pours raiders out to abduct people and disappear into the secret hidden dimension and are feared across all the realmsIsn't that just Dark Eldar? They even have the skull mask theme.
>>98501411the great prophet Fred Durst (PBUH)
>>98501410because if furries hate something, it's the idea that their fursona are ugly, and since evil is often associated with ugliness, then they force their shit into the spots of good.and also because there's an enormous intersection between furfaggotry and being an eternal tertiary, and 40k tertiaries are all obligated imperialfags.
>>98501397Fucking all over, various rulebooks and codexes scattered throughout the 39 year history of the game, both old and recent ones. I don't have any examples to hand but if you look around enough you'll find it.
>>98501436Once a Warboss ended up in the past and decided to kill himself to have two copies of his favourite gun. The entire Waaagh then dissolved because of the following confusion.
>>98501346Did Archons and Hameonculus used to be able to buff or lead Wyches?
>>98501412Go kill yourself, faggot.
>>98501374>But kabals+cults are two subfactions in the same dex and wolves+dangels are two different codexes.Technically speaking, Space Wolves and Dark Angels are marine subfactions the same way Kabals and Cults are Dark Eldar subfactions. The main difference is that being Marine Subfactions they get supplements.
>>98501401Don't get me wrong I'm glad GW didn't go through with their Ynnari plot but there was real potential for an interesting faction that was squandered here.The premise itself is pretty cool it was just used in the worst way possible and then abandoned.Still at least we got the EC, that range may be small but its very cool. Deldar are getting a refresh too. We're not actually in the worst timeline.
>>98501452>Fucking all over>I don't have any examples I'm more led to believe you integrated your own headcanon into a fabricated memory.
>>98501460Are you finished with your little temper tantrum?
>>98501436You're a weird fucking faggot, but to pretend your question had some kind of merit, it's actually pretty hard to run into yourself due to the Warp travel mechanics, since going back to a place you came from will usually also mean going back along the same stream of Warp energy which will also travel through time in roughly the opposite direction.So to use my previous example, Marine Fleet travels from Planet A to Planet B, the Warp stream they go through brings them back in time 4 weeks. Then they return from Planet B to Planet A, unless the Warp stream has suddenly drastically changed (which CAN happen but not often unless there's a major Warp storm or something), it will most likely bring them FORWARD in time roughly 4 weeks again.
>>98501458Yes. Before 10th/8th edition characters weren't restricted in what units they were able to join. You had things like a CSM undivided sorcerer being able to lead a unit of Berserkers.
>>98501471meant for >>98501396
>>98501433>Most units have literally 1 unique special rule. Most of the bloat comes from different weapon options.For marines most units have at least two things to remember if they don't have a leader, if they do add on at least another two. Not including enhancements and now multiple detachments rules. The new ork tankbusters have 3 unit abilities, 2 firing modes for their guns, and one of the melee weapon options has 2 firing modes as well. It's a lot.
>>98501424Its still more variance than between two different flavour of loyalist marine terminator. All the codex divergent chapters should be in one book.
>>98501468I actually completely agree with you dude I just wanted to make you feel a bit better about it by pointing out the silver lining
>>98501469No retard it's just not easy to hunt down singular lines of text through literally over half a billion pages of material (I'm not kidding, there's at least that much). But I have read it over and over again through the years.
>>98501465Supplements aren't necessary anymore.
>>98501371>>98501483Welcome to every edition that wasn't 10th
>>98501494>>98501484Is your argument that Marines shouldn't have the attention they get or is your argument that Dark Eldar units are so different they should be different armies?Because these two are very different arguments
>>98501455>Once a Warboss ended up in the past and decided to kill himself to have two copies of his favourite gundangerously based>>98501477>You're a weird fucking faggothey buddy you got fetishes too
>>98501478I'm pretty sure the rules for marks of chaos prevented mixing characters with a certain marks with units of a different mark.
>Got arc in three 10 rolls after getting koyan negro in eight and Ciel in 40What should I model to celebrate this
>>98501489I don't doubt you believe you have read it.I doubt you have actually read it though.
>>98501511Thousand Son killing a Space Wolf.
>>98501509Which is why I said undivided Sorcerer. Those rules stopped like a Mark of Khorne character to lead a Mark of Nurgle unit, but undivided could go with everybody
>>98501517How would that be celebratory?
>>98501410>>9850145040k furry art is a pretty even mix of>furry oc in faction armor >daemons with big boobs>Nids and Tau with REALLY big boobs
>>98501023those look absolutely beautiful, feels like they’re really meant to be generic sci-fi guys fighting the weird science fantasy armies. side note: this is meant to be aping the covenant, right?
>>98501523Tau aren't furry.
>>98501433>My only complaint is the "1 of each" special weapons in each squad instead of having a set number of guys you can upgrade with your own choice of special weapons. Will slow down shooting so much.I just don't get it.>For every 5 models in this unit, 1 Nob model can have their Kustom Shoota and Kustom Krumpa replaced with one of the following:>1 Big Choppa>1 Paired Krumpas>1 Kustom Big Shoota>1 Big BurnaIt's so easy.
>>98501502My argument is that its fucking schizophrenic to try and have it both ways like this.I want non-marine subfactions like the DKOK and the Harlequins and the kroot to get supplements OR I want 2 loyalist marine books: codex compliant and codex divergent.I don't care which ends up happening I just so not think the current status quo should continue.
>>98501433Its fucking kasrkin all over again.
>>98501527Furry artists love them anyway
>>98501495Not really? It used to be a lot cleaner when they didn't copy AoS warscrolls. This is one of the units with the most shit in the game and 80% of it is just wargear options that you'll only need to read while list building. 5th edition datasheet formatting is still the best one they've ever made.
>>98499885I actually think the new standard size is better. Whenever I used to play on 72x48 there was always one side of the table that was pretty much dead space. Fuck the terrain layouts though we just set stuff up how we want.
>>98501517Would a DAngle librarian or Tyranid leader beast or Deldar leader (factions I actually play) do in place of a thousand sons sorcerer (a faction I don't play) so I can actually bring them to games and let my opponents see it
Y'all ever tried dip?
>>98501531What?! are you saying there shouldn’t be 50 Marine detachments that every unit in the codex has to be balanced around and be available to all the Divergent books as well?
>>98501433I had this complaint as far back as the basic guard squad suddenly getting free/'free' upgrades that meant you either now had to fully kit out every infantry squad so they would be spitting out five different batches of attacks or else be handicapping yourself by turning down all that extra firepower for no gain or savingsEven before that I had issue with no longer being able to give my sergeants lasguns so I could just have every guard squad firing with exactly one weapon for dead simplicity
>>98501551Dangels killing wolves is an honoured tradition. Do it.
>>98501412never anon. I’ll always be here, and will always remind you that you don’t belong. it was like this when you left for a month, and it’ll be like this as long as you keep posting your normalfag gifs, puke worthy models, and keep acting like a retard.
>>98501549>72x48Don't know how to convert your funny metrics but I still think the game plays a lot better on 6x4 tables.
>>98501558Yes.
>>98501562Alright I'll post it in the general when I make it soon(tm)
>>98501554Yes, when i was new and retarded, it's dogshit.
>>98501436>now neither one of us will be virgins
>>98501531You should leave 40k then because it will never happen. Attention is proportional to how much GW think something will sell, and I am sorry to tell you but Dark Eldar will never sell as much as Space Mariners.
>>98501558NTA but I think with the sheer amount of special units the divergent chapters have reducing them to one or two exclusive detachments just won't work. As much as it is giving marines even more attention I think they need to be handled just like the chaos legions with their own completely separate roster.
>>98501546Anime artists. Furry artists don't.
>>98501520Because funny.>>98501551Yeah. I just think 1ksons is funniest one to do. Between the nid and the dangel I'd say the dangel would be more kino though.
>>98501455To think, if past ork had killed future ork instead everything would have worked out perfectly.
>>98501575Returning to 8e style marine codexes would be great. They get select units from the main book printed in them, with the ability to be adjusted as needed or special rules applied without having to touch the main/other divergent codexes.
>>98501547Unfortunately this kind of datasheet can only work when an army has like ten weapons, not a hundred. It was already pushed to the limit in 7th edition.
>>98501546Tau are more the weeb faction, for some reason the furries inevitably tend to gravitate towards the Imperium (I have the art to prove it but can’t post it)
>>98501554it gave my grandpa throat cancer so noaside from that it does what's on the tin (literally), it's a low effort wash + varnish process that can easily fuck up a model due your only control of how much deposits is how long it sits
>>98501523>demons>tau>furry?????
>>98501572care to extrapolate?
>>98501574Both divergent chapters sharing a book and non-marines having supplements has happened before. Either can happen again. I'll keep hoping.
>>98501595Nah, it works just as good in 30k with way more weapons. The trick is that the weapons are modular and consistent so you only need a single power sword statline and not two dozen. It makes for faster gameplay too because consistency makes things very easy to memorize.
>>98501604You mean elaborate?
>>98501564>funny metricsGW still uses inches like all Brits over 40
>>98501601Yes
>>98501563>t.Mentally depraved individual
>>98501607Divergent chapters shared a book back in 2nd edition when Dark Angels and Blood Angels shared a book amd even then Space Wolves and Ultramarines still had their own codexes. Non Marines having supplements happened for stuff like Eldar or CSM, and even then they didn't get a supplement for each Subfaction, they had like one for a single Subfaction or one that covered everything.
>>98501625Yeah, you know who else got a supplement?Pick related. Drink your paint thinner.
>>98501265Berzerker Lord on Juggernaut still has Legends rules for CSM
>>98501530GW's goal with these types of wargear rules is to prevent badfeels from less informed customers buying their product, building them in a way that feels cool, then finding out the unit they made is illegal. The new nob box can clearly build all 5 of the specialists in one box, so they would never restrict you to one specialist per 5.
>>98501523>>daemons with big boobs>>Nids and Tau with REALLY big boobsthis isn't furry
>>98501371The literal only problem is that modern editions are retarded and put all the weapon and wargear rules on the unit datasheet instead of just having an armoury section like in the past.
>>98501554>they didn't even dunk the model in the promotional pic and just did a shitty photocopyarmy painter....
>>98501265>there is a zerker lord on a juggernaut.>there is no zerker lord on foot.Why do the god legions even have their own books.
>>98501636Speaking of I would fucking kill for a scan of this actual book instead of the dogshit digital ebook conversion thats in the trove.
>>98501655Whats wrong with the ebooks?
>>98501468>Don't get me wrong I'm glad GW didn't go through with their Ynnari plot but there was real potential for an interesting faction that was squandered here.This. I'd still like to see Ynnari salvaged and fleshed out. They just need a few unique units of their own, the way Harlequins and Corsairs got.
>>98501616>elaborateno, simple
>>98501647The same is true for every other unit that can choose upgrades from a list. It's retarded. If GW's customers can't read then it's their fucking fault.
>>98501604It doesn't look good and its not particularly quick or easy to use correctly either. It is a scam product playing on the idea of convenience and speed, but in reality it just sucks.If you want okay looking low effort shading oil washes actually do that and look better as well and also slot into a general painting skillset.
>>98501653It gets better.
>>98501659They look awful, they're miserable to read. I want the actual book formatting with all the art in the proper place. Look at the difference here.
>>98501523those arms look fucked
>>98501601
Would you prefer to see more 3d animated or 2d animated 40k media in the future? Does that answer change if it's fan made vs. an official Games Workshop product?
>>98501677thank you for the non-meme answer
>>98501698I just want the Astartes guy to pump out more stuff, I don't give a shit about anything else, all the other creators suck and do not capture the feel. Get better talent.
>>98501698Hello James Workshop marketer
>>98501698The 2d warhammer shows have been really, really, shit. The 3D ones have been okay to decent (outside of THAT one episode)
>>98501708but if it were something well animated and not a slideshow?
>>98501688I gotcha yeah makes sense
>>98501698Just don't mix it anymore dear christ
>>985016982D would allow for more dynamism and stylisation which warhammer would greatly benefit from.The dream would be an anthology made by genndy.
>>98501636>they didn't get a supplement for each Subfaction, they had like one for a single Subfaction
>>98501691BROTHERGET THE FLAMER
>>98501716genndy's a hack
>>98501698I trust our chud Lord and Savior Henry Cavill to make all the right decisions, both in animated and live action media.
>>98501667Sure but the way anon worded the wargear selection would keep it limited to only 1 out of the 5 models being able to build more than 1 way. The bullet pointed individual selections looks like shit but unfortunately it is the way it has to be worded for things to be the way GW wants them.
>>98501169Would rather they just get a decent fnp or -1 to hit that ignores other rules that ignore -1 to hit. They should be slippery and hard to pin down, but not completely paper imo. DE should be faster and thinner. Craftworlds should be more synergy focused and a little more staying power.
>>98501724
>>98501654it's actually really funny because the Juggerlord kit comes with an extra body that can easily just be posed on foot, would only take a rules change.But I assume, perhaps, GW wants to change the sprues first.Thousand sons have a similar 'problem' where no model for terminator exalted sorceror exists, technically you can just use one of the terminator sorcerers, but they don't have special rules or anything.>>98501636The thing about Monculi is that they would hugely benefit from freeform monster mash maker rules. Or at least something like creations of bile where I kitbash my ugly freaks and get bonuses for it.
>>98501698The Secret level Episode is still one of the best pieces of work outside of Blizzards animations that Ive seen, I'm so happy they are using those visual artists in the new Amazon show. 3D all the way.
>>98501714holy shit that looks like refried ass>>98501725IN THIS HOUSE GENNDY TARTAKOVSKY IS A HERO
>>98501739>dragon titsPREPOSTEROUS TWADDLECOCK
Ive actually been consistently playing every other weekend and shits been pretty cashHow about you guys?
>>98501725I don't care, I just want my fix
>>98501725the star wars series was great though+my childhood so you're a faghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmcXvG9k1iI
>>98501749I was going at it for months like that but ive been in a drought recently due to work.
>>98501743anakin vs ventress was pure kinohttps://youtu.be/TWSWBRfZ0vA?t=15
>>98501753the star wars series is what exposed him as a hack retard
>>98501763Primal went down in quality each season and was still better than anything else on TV. Primal Theory was the best episode. Looking forward to his upcoming Conan show. A 40k show by him would be awesome, but what I really want is for him to do an animated version of Blood Meridian.
>>98499511I used to watch hobbynight or whatever they were called on youtube then i found their onlyfans this year. Only slightly surprised. Wasnt that good though
>>98501767>look at me I'm being contrarianyes you're a very special boy and we're all very impressed, you can go away now
>>98501652moving half the information to another page doesn't make anything simpler lmao
>>98501778>Primal Theory was the best episode.It was good and stood out because it was so different from the rest, but the series was about other things and the episodes that did those the best were the first, the zombie sauropod one, and the apes arena.
>>98501749More or less once a week since July
>>98501786>contrarianslop consumers aren't an indicator of quality but keep crying about your show full of dogshit choreography that people only think was good because they watched it when they were 8 years old and didn't notice how poorly done it wasmanages to be even worse than the CG clone wars choreography somehow
>>98501793Those are great, I also liked the one where they slaughtered an entire village down to the last child. Also, the birthing scene, right up the ol' cloaca.
>>98501736>limited to only 1 out of the 5 models being able to build more than 1 way.Again, that's true for tons of units in the game, most in fact. This is a retarded and inconsistent argument.
>>98501809>slopThis was 2003, it was pre-slop altogether.
>>98501809>seething this hard
>>98501809>choreography>in an animated showis English not your first language?
>>98501698The astartes guy is really great but I do wonder if he’s just gonna show Space Marines effortlessly trouncing all their opposition even once he starts including xenos that can actually hurt space marines instead of just normal dudes with autoguns
>>98501823it's pure slop, go watch the original grievous fight>>98501827try harder>>98501828>erm ackshuallyI accept your concession
>>98501830bro that happens even in xenos media let's be real
>>98501718Cult of Strife got a Supplement in 9e, I think Though it was bundled with one of the warzones.
>>98501834you mean this gigakino?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTgxuRG59k8
>>98501809>people only think was good because they watched it when they were 8 years old and didn't notice how poorly done it wasIt's like 3 minutes each episode and it's on youtube. You realise that "you only think it's good because of nostalgia" doesn't work when people can actually easily verify right?
>>98501593They did that for Black Templar, sort-of. Unique datasheets for units from the main codex, like Sternguard, Terminators and a couple of the vehicles.Honestly wish they had leaned harder into the concept. Maybe it was a trial balloon?
I'm thinking Da Boss is just gonna be something like KT had where if your leader is alive you get an extra CP per turn. Weird to have a different one for each faction instead of just putting it in the core rules so that Warlord does something.
>>98501843>let's slowly run at him with swords raised like retards>I'm blinded by dust better charge at him and get solo'd>everybody don't move when we see him perch on a high spot then launch himself at us>let's pause the fight repeatedly to act shocked when he starts breakdancing>>98501844I've rewatched it and it does not hold up, sorry you're too retarded to realize this slop consumer-kun
>>98501863oh so you're just retarded. Makes sense
>>98501871>n-no ugood goy keep consuming that slop!
>>98501863Do you also think yourself clever for pointing out marines going to war without helmets isn't a good idea?
>>98501880does your wrangler know you are on the pc?
>>98501830He's 2 for 2 on bolterporn at this stage, I doubt his new stuff will be any different, I guess it's the wrong franchise to expect anything more anyway.
>>98501841Yes, three editions later for a completely different codex. I am not saying that factions only ever got a single supplement in the history of the game. I am saying that for not Marine codex the rule was that you very rarely got a single supplement for a single part of your army, while the rule for marines has always been that they get multiple codexes/supplements for their subfactions, which depending on the moment it can range from just the big four or every single first founding chapter. Of course this depends a lot on how you define supplements, for example Tyranids in 7th got like 3-4 web only documents with some extra detachment which I struggle to call supplement, but if you do I can't really say you are wrong.Anyway, the point is Expecting Marines to only get a single "divergent chapters" supplement or a minor Xeno army to get one supplement for each subfaction it has it's completely unrealistic.
>>98501885there's a difference between a suspension of belief for something that's a standard established in the setting and when a shitty new director can't direct action properly so it's full of basic movement and slapstick cartoon action>>98501886again with the projection
>>98501834>I'm a fucking retard and I'm acting out for attentiongood for you
>>98501896sure I can spare a (you)don't spend it on drugs
>>98501896>WHY IS THIS CARTOON SO CARTOONISH REEEEactual autism
>>98501834You've got the soiwarsfags crying so I applaud you
>>98501862Doesn't the "1CP per turn" make all other units that can generate CP redundant? Unless you're a doofus who let your Warlord die, all other CP generators are useless since you can only get +1 per turn max.Maybe they're going to phase those kind of unit abilities out completely. They haven't shown the new Gretchin datasheet yet right? I think that was the only CP generator the Orks had?
>>98501918it's 1cp a turn beyond your normal generation
>>98501909>n-no it's supposed to be bad!!!you're so close to getting it!
>>98501918>Maybe they're going to phase those kind of unit abilities out completely.Most likely, yah. They are cancer because they are completely mandatory and not every faction had them. Tying it to the warlord makes a lot more sense. Kinda forces every list to have an appropriate officer as a warlord too.
>>98501698I don't care as long as it's quality (hard)
>>98501918I think it's going to substitute all the abilities "you can use a stratagem hat target this unit at -1cp once a round".
>>98501725This being obvious and simple bait shows how good he is.
Haven't been in the hobby since 7th edition - are codexes still worth buying for the lore/art etc or should I just pirate that shit from day 1?
New bad old good? Yes, obviously. A boring take. Trite, even.New good old bad? Soi reddit slop. Need I say more?New good old good? You're not fucking 5 come on.Old bad new bad? Stunning. Brave. Scandalous. A fresh fucking take for once. Finally some good fucking opinions.
>>98501947you're very desperate for attention
>>98501949>should I just pirate that shit from day 1?This
>>98500620cute porks (purple orks). what klan are they going to be? I’m personally getting back to my 122nd cadian larpers after I finished up my gorkanaut. I’ll likely have to drop them again though because I’m going to build my collage entry tonight.
>>98501926The leaked page doesn't explicitly say that, but it makes sense. Does it not count as your +1 per-turn CP because it happens at the start of the battle round instead of the beginning of a turn?
>>98501957Should it even be explicit? Isn't there already a hard limit on CP generation?
>>98501564>Plays a game that uses inches>Doesn't know what inches are
>>98501950im the old good and new good guy
>>98501928>complaining about a cartoon being cartoonishyou need professional help
>>98501953
>>98501963
>>98501963>Excluding Core CP, each player can gain a maximum of 1CP per battle round (including the CP gained when a player discards an active Secondary Mission card).
>>98501991>>98501998OK OK WE GET IT
Guardbros!!! We're in space king 5!!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1hGSnB7pRg
>>98501950>old bad new badThat's only faggots who want to deflect from a new bad.>"It was always bad">new good old goodIn some respect, yes, some things have improved, even if many have taken a dive. Some ranges have gotten better on virtually all grounds.Tyranids don't seem to have worsened by new releases, for instance, but I'm not a tyranidfag.
>>98501704His Menace cinematic was two relatively equal sides murdering the shit out of each other so he's plenty capable of doing non one-sided Space Marine stuff. Astartes 1 was just a great depiction of it, so it's only natural that people want more and I think his approach of freakishly fast and efficient Space Marines hits better than the "human but bigger" approach that a lot of GWs other animations use.
>>98501991>>98501998So there is a hard limit, meaning this rule would make evey other CP generation unit useless.
>>98502053Yeah theres actually a hard limit on CP generation so you can only get one per turn actually
>>98501998>ANON >DO NOT ABBREVIATE COMMAND POINTS IN 40K DISCUSSION
>>98502057Then I really hope this is standard for every warlord and CP generation units die in a fire.
>>98502043The craftworlds range update is the best of its kind. GW has never matched its like before and will likely never do so again.Dark reapers are the only modern eldar model I've ever seen anyone complain about. It shouldn't be surprising tho since Jes was lead designer at GW and he literally invented the Eldar aesthetic.Everyone else has been a mixed bag.
>>98501747Those are obviously bombs you heratek
>>98502058>he CP gained
Ive seen several people talking about CP generation who dont seem to understand itThe primary thing to keep in mind is that you can only generate 1 CP per turn by any means
>>98501963>>98501957It counts>>98502043>Tyranids don't seem to have worsened by new releases, for instance, but I'm not a tyranidfag.If you talk about models you are correct, Tyranids have had a fantastic range refresh. Necron too.
>>98502057Holy shit are commsman marines FINALLY going to get a cool ability?
are they serious
>>98502081>generate 1 CP per turnPer round. Important distinction.
>>98502086He had the same Toughness as MANZ despite being bigger than a carnifex. Of course he was getting a toughness buff.
>>98502085>generates CP in ur path
>>98501932>They are cancer because they are completely mandatory and not every faction had them.Agreed. Index Grey Knights lacked one, and their equivalent of >>98501939 was once per GAME.It wasn't the worst omission of 10th index by far, but it was maybe the worst for C point gen.
>>98502086See all the replies to >>98501010>TldrGhaz was actually very low in stats in 10th to compensate that they decided he should be able to join units. Now that he can't anymore he is back to what he basically was in 9th.
>>98502086Yeah man theres a reason people are calling this a powercreep edition lolEvery single reveal for orkz has been obscenely strong
>>98502086They want to save us money by fielding fewer models at 2k points, anon. GW are always looking out for us.
>>98502086>+1 to hit and wound aurawe 8/9th edition
>>98502101meltaguns, krak missiles, supercharged plasma wound him on a 5
Soooo looking at all of these buffed stats, those Marine rumors are definitely true then right?
>>98502128like everything else that isn't infantry because fuck meltaguns and krak missiles
>>98502064The Eldar range before the update still held is own too. Painting up a set of metal Banshees right now and their aesthetic >the new ones, despite the poses being limited by the metal medium.
>>98502116he better be 300+ points with a statline like this
>>98502128meltaguns, krak missiles, supercharged plasma also wound a Rhino on a 5+. In case you have missed it, they needed the anti monster/antivehicle capability of these weapons across the board.
>>98501956Bad Moonz, I wanted something different from the usual blues I used for my CSM/BT. >guard larping orksPeak
>>98502064I'll say that the new warp spiders were not a perfect upgrade, as they're missing some of the flair of their previous version, namely the plume/mop thingies and the web stuff on the exarch.They are a 7/10. Good, but not great.>>98502082Necrons are also a good update, and I will salute GW for bringing back the old wraith in the form of the ophidian destroyers. That's a good move on them. If you're gonna reboot/reinvent something, "duplicate" it, rather than replace the other.So Nids & Eldars, good update, new good (mostly).>>98502086>Thougness 10>16 woundsNew rules very, very bad.
Explain to me why Meltaguns aren't S11/12 when lascannons were buffed to s12 when Meltaguns have to deal with things like having to get close to the opponent
>>98502151350+ he's primarch level
>>98502154meltaguns used to penetrate a rhino's front armor on a 4, glancing on 3s
>>9850210710th set the stage for totally fucked up stats that have no kind of pattern or internal logic to them, this is just the inevitable outcome.
are the new aos ogors the same size as ogryns?
>>98502173Do you think we've had enough time to properly assess the situation? Can we subdue the bitching until we get a full picture ffs?
>>98502170Yes, which is why I said that it's not Ghaz that has been buffed relatively to meltaguns, it's meltaguns that have been nerfed.
>>98502086His old stats were for his old model. His new model was way too big for them.
>>98502206I mean we’re gonna have opinions and talk about 11th codexes in the 40k general lol
>>98502210What are you talking about his new model had been out for years when 10th dropped
>>98501896there's no difference, both are suspension of disbelief for the sake of visuals
>>98502206>Do you think we've had enough time to properly assess the situation? Can we subdue the bitching until we get a full picture ffs?If you have been in the hobby for more than a single edition this is all stuff already seen before.
>>98502210Ghaz getting bigger and nastier every time he gets a new model is awesome. Hope his next model is Knight-sized.
>>98502206>it looks bad but there hasn't been enough time to assess it <- you are here>it still looks and is bad but they may fix the bad stuff soon*insert inbetween parts here>the power creep has gone catastrophically out of control but the next edition will fix it for sure this time
>>98502147The only thing wrong with midar was GW's awful fucking resin making up most of the infantry. As an aesthetic they're just excellent and the old pewter stuff was excellent too.I genuinely prefer metal Jain Zar to modern plastic Jain Zar. Even if New Zar is sexy.
>>98501792No one wants simpler you retarded braindead faggot, the game is so oversimplified right now it's completely cucked.
>>98502218The new model was made to have Ghaz as a huge monster like centerpiece that went around alone but buffed units around him. The 9th edition profile respected that. 10th edition decided that rulewise he should have been instead a unit leader like the old model was and gave him a profile appropriate for a guy that went around with Boyz. Now they went back to treat him like he was treated in 9th, in a way appropriate to his new model.
>>98502207typo man
>>98502156I never liked the plumes, I'm sorry but I thought the pigtail beard thing looked dumb.
>>98502249Oh sorry. >>98502154Meant nerfed, non needed
>>98502234his next one after that should use a Gorkanaut and a Morkanaut as boots
>>98502164Marines are the only army with man portable Lascannons. Most armies have man portable melta.
>>98502064>The craftworlds range update is the best of its kind.Dude it sucked, they ripped the fucking soul out of half the aspects and especially warlocks.
>>98502234>15th edition >all GW stores are contractually obligated to install shutter doors and hire at least one forklift certified employee so that players can properly use their 12 ft tall, 3000 pound Ghaz minis
>>98502258wait. arent multimeltas Sister's only ranged anti tank? How do they deal with him?
I don't even know why people are complaining about Ghaz profile when it's the less egregious thing about himCleave 2 on the big claw, the free Waagh, the +1 to hit +1 to wound aura that benefit himself, the fact that he count as infantry so he can hide in terrain and go through walls.All of these things are a lot worse. The profile is ok for its size in the tabletop, he would be made mincemeat by actual anti-tank without his dozen abilities
>>98502265You're genuinely the only person I have ever seen who thinks that. Not saying your wrong to think that but you're not in the majority.
>>98502264to be fair, DE have man portable Dark LancesMakes me realize CWE are pussies for not carrying their Brightlances
>>98502268multimelta arent anti tank anymore. Only Paragon warsuits are anti tank in sisters.
>>98502247Don't expect that to change. From what I've seen, the overwhelming feedback at the start of 11th has been "Wow, I love how much faster games are now".Outside of /tg/, anyway. And even here I think some of the "reee its too simple" shit is performative.
>>98502252Could always have been an option, but to each their own anyhow.The web thing I miss more dearly.
>>98502278>multimelta arent anti tank anymore......wut
>>98502277Nah, thats just DE being crazy enough to hip fire an anti tank laser.
>>98502222Well Ive only been since 10th so I guess that fits.
>>98502273Actually, him being Infantry is a saving grace because AntiInfantry2+ are now the go-to shooting against him (and the newer T5 boys, who now tank heavy bolters on a 4+ and flamers, bolters on 5+)
>>98502268Multimelta have 2 shots, so even if they wound on a 5+ you have twice the shots of a Lascannon. Melta has also difficulties to wound but it's extremely damaging once it does, so Sisters can use a miracle dice to wound when needed. Or once they wound the can use a 6 for damage to instagibs something. Their suits also have +1 to hit/+1 to wound against vehicles and can reroll to hit and to wound. But other than that yeah, it's not fantastic.
>>98502278>onlyCastigators still exist. So do Immolators with multi-meltas. You're just wrong.
>>98502247>the game is so oversimplified right noweveryone who actually plays games is complaining about datasheet ability and modifier bloat.
>>98502266I preferred 13th edition, where you just had to put on a Ghaz costume and stand on the table.
>>98502285They are str9 since forever. thats wounding a predator or a leman russ on a 5. cant really call yourself anti tank when you wound a tank on the same roll as a heavy bolter half the time.
>>98502284Wouldn't have minded double tails as an exarch helmet, and yeah it is sad that we lost the webs.
>>98502264Eldar, Dark Eldar, Imperial guard, and Tyranids off the top of my head have infantry lascannons or equivalent
>>98502292melta are not anti tank. castigators have battle canons which are anti infantry guns you tard.
>>98502289Boys have been T5 since 9th haven't they?
>>98502285anti heavy infantry that doesn't have invlun savesso basically nothing.
>>98502286while flying!
is a ballistus and repEx enough anti-armor for my generalist marine list or should I swap the dread and something else out for a pair of warglaives
>>98502289How many anti infantry shit is also made to deal with a 16W 2+/4++? Also not everybody has anti infantry (the ability) in the codex (and in general if the new orks datasheet are any indication anti will go away to leave its place to hunter weapons) but everyone has anti-tank weapon
>>98502298Craftworld Eldar get one lascannon per 10 guardians and its mounted on a gunrig they bring with them. That doesn't count. I meant like a whole infantry unit who just carry lascannons. I've already mentioned DE and Tyranids really stretch what it means to be infantry so they don't count either. You're right about guard tho.
>>98502304The Castigator Battle Cannon is s10ap-1 with blast and d6+3 attacks. That is the best anti-vehicle weapon in the current Sisters roster.The Castigator Autocannon is s9ap-1 with rapid fire 4 and 4 attacks. This is the "anti infantry" gun on the Castigator.If you think the battle cannon isn't as good of an anti-tank weapon as it should (or needs to) be, I agree, but it is also the best of what's currently available. Sisters have a severe lack of anti-vehicle weapons.
>>98502312I hope if scourges get updated that GW doesn't fuck them up. And gives them 2 of every weapon option so they don't end up cucked by a 1 per 5 restriction.I also hope Kabalites get heat lances as wargear.
>>98502298Venom Cannons are hardly lascannons.S9 AP-2 D2Guard lascannons are on heavy weapons teams so technically infantry but still...
with all this complaining maybe I should try AoS or kill team or something instead
>>98502351The games actually fun anon. 40kg has just been complaining about it forever.
>>98502274>You're genuinely the only person I have ever seen who thinks that.You are extremely new then because there were a lot of us saying this when the new models were coming out and being freshly revealed and posted here. The Craftworld refresh was EXTREMELY mid, with almost no amazing standout models. The Dark Reapers were such a subject of mockery we had a bunch of memes shitting on them being made by different anons.
>>98502351The games actually shit anon. 40kg has just been complaining about it forever.
>>98502293>who actually plays gamesYou mean who actually plays games of 10th because all the people who used to play fucked off because 10th was the worst edition ever printed.
>>98500998At least it's not the sleeping bag one
>>98502329>erm actually that doesn't count because [arbitrary bullshit]raped>>98502345Zoanthropes are infantry
>>98502359What faction do you play?
>>98501530It shouldn't just be one thoughHonestly, we have 4 different special weapons that can each be taken once in a 5-man squad, but each one wants to do something completely different - it's fucking dumbJust let us pick between 5 Big Choppas, 5 Big Shootas, 5 Big Burnas, or 5 Kustom Krumpa + Kombi rokkit - would make it a pretty fun unit. If I run Nobz I'm just gonna run them all with Rokkits & klaws
>>98502356I did mention Dark Reapers getting shit on but from what I remember other than that the update was well received because Jews Workshop didn't fucking change anything about the model design. I do remember marinepiggies bitching about Eldar getting a faithful reproduction of our old kits in plastic while they got another wave of primaris adjectivers tho. That was a lot of fun.
>>98502360>10th was the worst edition ever printed.7th
>>98502375custodes
>>98502268>How do they deal with him?You run Vahl and pray a lot or maybe go Bringers of Flame and drive a Ret or Dominion Squad with Meltas in front of him to get the +1S on your hits.
>>98502241>Jain Zar is supposed to be a suit of armor with nothing inside>Model has a big ass and sizeable thighsWhat did GW mean by this?
>>98502356>EXTREMELY mid, with almost no amazing standout models.You're retarded, that wasn't the overall opinion of the thread at all, if anything that release has been a gold standard for faithful updates to old models that marineletfags have envied since, to the point of one admitting he tried to force the meme that the avatar of khaine was a bad model but that noone picked the meme.Dark reapers were the ONE standout complaint, and the whining was more against the people who tried to argue that they couldn't possibly have been done better/more faithfully, than whining towards the dark reapers themselves.
>>98502378That's why I said mid and not terrible, but the best people could say for Craftworlds was "well at least they didn't Primaris us with completely different designs". It could have been worse, but it could have been a lot better too.
>>98502377How dare you suggest that people be allowed to do the thing they could do before 9th edition arbitrarily started gutting customization
>>98502381Nice
>>98502388Banshee armour had canonically has huge titties even for men
>>98502365>>erm actually that doesn't count because [arbitrary bullshit]The original question was "why are meltas so shit compared to lascannons" and my answer was "way more armies can spam melta on their infantry than they can spam lascannons on their infantry."1 lascannon per 10 T3 dudes is the least efficient way you could possibly field a lascannon. It does not count.
>>98502375I don't play, the games shit.
>>98502390I am a notorious anti-eldar shitposter and even I decided to not say anything about the new models and instead focus on the rules and the players.
>>98502380This conversation repeats every few weeks but 7th was genuinely a lot better than 10th at the core level, almost all of its problems stemmed from shit you could avoid with simple house rules like "no Formations that make things free which normally costs points, no superheavies, no flyers" etc. It was still a flawed edition but it was alot better than the completely unfixable, fundamentally broken 10th.
>>98502388Modelers are based and know you can't breed an empty suit.
>>98502400no, manshees get flat pecs.
>>98502407Is 4th the best then?People here act like it is alot
>>98502390>Dark reapers were the ONE standout complaintAnd Warlocks, and even Banshees. Too many of you /v/ fags tried to turn this into some kind of marine vs eldar consolewars shit and say "any criticisms is just salty marinefags!" but that's not the case. I am a genuine enjoyer of every single last faction in this game and try to collect a little of every army, and I was looking forward to the Craftworlds release because they were one I hadn't touched yet knowing how ancient most of their shit was. And I was disappointed as fuck.
>>98502388I think Jain Zar might actually have the fattest ass of any infantry model and don't-you-fucking-dare-post-the-GUO
>>98502360>You mean who actually plays games of 10th because all the people who used to play fucked off because 10th was the worst edition ever printed.If we go by sheer playerbase 10th is the most played edition by far. You can claim that all the players are zoomers, or retarded, and in some cases you would be right, but saying that nobody plays it is just wrong.
>>98502421>fattest assFuegan and avatar of Khaine
>>98502418Yes. Early 4th that was still using a number of 3.5 codexes.
>>98502417Post proof
>>98502397i want my 4 melta drop Stormtrooper squads back
>>98502424>If we go by sheer playerbase 10th is the most played edition by far.Tournament attendance =/= playerbase. Those grow while LGS groups shrink. The game brought in a ton of newfags who have no idea how bad the game is now because they never even played an edition before 10th, partly because of the glut of new video games that came out at the same time like Space Marine 2, but they also rotate out extremely quickly and a lot of old players fucked off too. The retention is bad.
>>98502403that's why meltas were 10 points and lascannons were 20
>>98502403>It does not count.yeah if you're going to be screeching this over and over then I'm not going to bother continuing this stupid argument especially since not having a weapon on infantry specifically rarely actually prevents armies from spamming it
>>98502435we just sayin shit now i guess
>>98502418was that the Nob Warbikers wound allocation bullshit edition?
>>98502420no, warlocks didn't get flak, and banshees were released a long time prior, and didn't get complaints either.and I didn't say that the only people whining were marinefags, or even that the marinefags were whining at all, if anything I said that they recognised the release was good and faithful.
>>98502407>7th was better as long as you don't actually play the editionYou personally having fun with your friends by playing a homebrew doesn't prove anything because you can also do that in 10th.
>>98502447>no, warlocks didn't get flakYou literally were not in these threads at the time if you're saying this lmao
>>98502430look up eternal crusade's male banshee, we're at image limit
>>98502430Not him but look up the Howling Banshees from Eternal Crusade. It had separate male and female models.
>>98502446No it wa 5th edition
>>98502450Homebrew that just simply says "don't bring X, Y, and Z optional add-ons" is very different from the kind of homebrew it would take to fix 10th which would just be a completely new fucking edition from the ground up.
>>98502407>7th was genuinely a lot betterthe larp never stops
>>98502430Eternal Crusade. So as whe know that there wan female farseers from dow or swooping hawk female exarch from warpforge
>>98502407>>98502462If you're going all the way back to 7th you might as well go even further back and skip the homebrew part altogether
>>98502435Last time we did s survey in my club we had like 100 players half of which started with 10th. Literally everywhere I hear the clubsnand LGS are full as fuck. Do you have literally any proof of what you are saying?
>>98502475no lol hes just saying shit because he doesnt like 10th
>>98502472Correct but no one is arguing to play 7th, just saying 7th is not the worst edition because 10th exists. In fact it would only be the third worst edition because it was also a slight improvement on 6th.
>>98502435anything to keep up your false narrative that 40k's dying
>>98502475>half of which started with 10th...you are making my fucking point, you realize that? Good editions keep around more old players, and have less new ones proportionally. 10th has tons of new players who have no idea how much worse it is than previous editions because the old ones FUCKED OFF.
>>98502468>female farseerswasnt that always the case? Iyanna Arenial?
>>98502462To fix 7th edition you need to remove a good 50% of it's core rules, substitute them with older edition, then straight up remove certain codexes then remove a bunch of units from other codexes, then rewrite certain abilities and so on. At which point you are looking at your homebree and you think "wait this is 5th edition".
>>98502452>oh no, only 2 monopose models for that price>oh no, they didn't give them the fancy fur capes>oh no, that dude has the face of a chudis not flak
>>98502495And that's still more worth it than playing 10th, yes.>so why don't you just play an even earlier editionRead reply chains, no one said "play 7th".
>>98502485Well at that point you're just arguing about which trashfire is the smelliest>>98502493nta but do you have any actual proof that the old playerbase is gone
>>98502509sloptubers told him 10th is bad so everybody's quitting clearly
>>98502509>Well at that point you're just arguing about which trashfire is the smelliestAnon the argument literally just started by someone saying "10th is the worst edition" and someone going "nuh uh 7th is".
>>98502493that doesnt even make any sense
>>98502509>nta but do you have any actual proof that the old playerbase is goneYeah the fact that I have like 30 friends who play 40k for the past 28 years and only 3 of them kept playing 10th beyond the first 2 weeks. Most of us are just doing Necromunda right now.
>>985024857th is the worst because, you like it or not, most people don't homebrew, and for those people people it was so unplayable that it was historically the first time 40k lost so much players that GW started actually losing profits. The fact that you actually prefer it because you played homebrew with your friends is a retarded claim because I can also say the same about 10th.
>>98502494she is nomodel spiritseer, and dude pretend that there is no male howling banshees because they doesn't have a model (first male howling banshee was introduced in 40klore in wd 127)
>>98502521Do you have anything that isn't an anecdote?
>>98502521>Anecdotal evidence reliable? One man says "yes".
>>98502522GW was losing money for a whole fuckload of reasons around that time, the ruleset was not even close to the biggest concern. 8th came about as a result of total company reorganization and a new CEO at the same time as they were addressing all of their other big problems.>image reply limit reachedFuck someone bake thread so I can post proofs.
>>98502493You said that nobody plays 10th, I said that's retarded and verifiably false. You tried to claim you mean that 10th has low retention and casual players start and soon stop and I said that's retarded and verifiably false. Now you are trying to claim that you meant that old players are gone. There are other goalposts you want to move before I tell you you are retarded again?
>>98502420>Too many of you /v/ fags tried to turn this into some kind of marine vs eldar consolewars shityou should get some self awareness, mr. "I didn't like eldar before, but I am surprised that I don't like them after a faithful update"
>>98502530>>98502539No, but neither does anyone else on the other side of the argument, and most of you guys are among those 10th ed newfags who have never played a prior edition so you wouldn't know what you're talking about anyways.
>>98502544>that's retarded and verifiably falseWhere's the verifiable part? Your argument is ALSO an anecdote.
>>98502549youre the one making the claim so youre the one who has to back it up thats how its always worked its called the burden of proofYou accepted it when you made a weird claim with absolutely no evidence of it whatsoever other than that you and your friends dont like 10th
>>98502549>NoSo your claims are baseless. Extra points for resorting to insults despite me merely asking basic questions about your position as neutrally as I could.
>>98502549Been playing since 3rdKeep throwing fits because nobody cares about your anecdotal doomfaggotry>>98502557>Where's the verifiable part?you know there's a site where people log all the games they play right? That in the last 117 days 421000+ games have been logged on that site alone right?
>>98502521>my friends and I are all 45+ and moved on with our lives so that means the game is worse nowOkay gramps. Take your fiber and fuck off then.
>>98502206>Do you think we've had enough time to properly assess the situation?Yes. GW design trends are generally pretty straightforward.If you remember when they started putting out rules reveals for 10th and they talked about stat decompression and showed units with very high toughness values smart people immediately concluded that they'd just crank up the strength stat of guns because obviously that's what they'd do, naysayers to that went "nuh uh, they'll keep strength characteristics reasonable and just give anti-tank weapons anti-vehicle", then they promptly rolled out S12 lascannons when lascannons had been S9 for the entire history of the game. Or what about 9th when codexes started dropping with rules that ignore the other players rules, people called that out as an emerging trend immediately. Same for basic infantry weapons getting AP-1 in 8th, people called that out the second they saw the bolt rifle profile. GW are not subtle or restrained, what it looks like they are doing at a glance is almost certainly exactly what they are doing. If it looks like numbers are going to go crazy and every unit is going to have a billion rules on it that's what's going to happen.I wish this wasn't the case, but it is, and in fact the early calls are typically conservative and GW design trends tend to accelerate in the direction they started over the course of an edition as well.
>>98502557Have you seen GW 40k sales?Have you seen tournament attendance? >Inb4 these data don't count for reasonLiterally all the hard data we have point in that direction. Do you have any alternative data?
> Bought some rare old metal Eldars from my lgs a couple years back for a good deal> Look on their catalog again, everything used is now pretty much 5-10% off full price despite missing bits and most needing to be strippedFuck and they have a HUGE amount of used stuff too. I don't know how they came up with that pricing.
>>98502571Alright you can talk shit about oldhead uncs with bad opinions but leave the fiber out of this
>>98502574>Have you seen GW 40k sales?No one said the company isn't making money. But the game is not retaining players because the gameplay is dogshit. Everyone here even agreed 10th is dogshit and that 11th is an improvement right up until you newfags got people bringing up old editions that for some reason always drags out the tourneyfag boot camp selling shill IDF.>Have you seen tournament attendance?Tournament players are a tiny, infinitesimal fraction of the actual playerbase and there's no proof at all that general LGS attendance and tournament attendance scale together in any way. The more tournament catered the game gets, the more it drives off narrative players.
>>98502521And the fact that you have stopped playing 40k instead of going back to a previous edition doesn't tell you that maybe the problem is not the edition?
>>98502605>No one said the company isn't making money.nta but you kind of are actually since playerbase size and spending volume is directly linked for obvious reasons.
>>98502605we’re just asking for numbers to verify what youre claiming anon thats it snap to it chop chop we dont have all day
manshees grow fat boytits to fill their armorjames said so
>>98502573to be fair bolters were AP5
>>98502574>>Inb4 these data don't count for reason>>98502605Literally How do you counter this? >>98502565Again, do you have literally any data that support your opinion? Like, anything at all?
>>98502390AoK is possibly the best model in 40k despite his jobbing
>>98502605>All this shit without any proofThe game has ten times the player retention of older editions. Prove me wrong.
>>98502605nta but I am just curious what armies you rep and when you last game was.
>>98502654custodes prepaintedive never actually played a game before
>>98502654He already said he stopped playing two weeks into 10th edition
>>98502654>repNobody "reps" armies.
>>98502578Shit they have a rare(r) version of the metal farseer but because it's somewhat decently painted they have it listed for $80can
>>98502639Then where are all the old players from 7th, 8th, 9th, etc? 90% of you in these threads started with 10th. Same story when you go to the LGS.
>>98502675HeyHey how come you ignored the proof provided here >>98502565 Is it because it blew your argument to bits and you want to keep shitposting lol
>>98502675Umm source?
i started in 0th editionall of you are 20tharies and that's being generous
>>98502675>>98502675>4chan 40kg attendance is considered proof of how much the game is played nowAre you even serious right now?
>>98502671Sorry I meant play
>>98502654>what armiesThirteen or so depending how you count them, but primarily AdMech, Nids, GSC, and Imperial Guard, the rest are mostly under 2000 points.>and when you last game wasNot counting the 4th edition stuff we play occasionally? Around the release of the 10th edition Tyranids codex. Only played about three games of 10th, vs Marines, vs Crons and vs Orks. None of us were fans. The game is just too simplified. As I said, most of the group is currently doing Necromunda, some Kill Team, some Trench Crusade, or occasionally an older edition of 40k (either 4th or 2nd).
>>98502675>Same story when you go to the LGS.I personally know every single LGS on Earth and 90% of them think you are a faggot and that you are wrong.
>>98502679>proofIt's meaningless without old data to compare it to, and says absolutely nothing about player retention from previous editions. You aren't even following the argument.
>>98502675>>98502683putting using /40kg/ a data pool of like 100 people aside what actual proof beyond >it was revealed to me in a dream do you have of the generals composition
>>98502675Bitch you did not just call 7th ed starters "old players"I started in fifth and thats still only midhammer.
>>9850269190% of your friends played 10th behind your back for the entire lifespan of the edition they just didnt like playing with you around because you were constantly bitching about it
>>98502691Well you definitely have experience but what about the other anon who mentioned the thousands of recently logged games? I mean there is clearly a solid amount of people putting in the work.
>>98502696>a data pool of like 100 peopleOptimist
>>98502702I am not even the one who bitched the most lmfao. These friends of mine are people who go way back, I was best man at one of their weddings, they aren't random guys I only see to play 40k.
i got into 40k via video gamesDOS Space Hulknot kidding i didnt even know there were normals Space Marines in power armor
>>98502707Yes actually I am being generous with with saying 100 since the poster count back when we had poster counts typically was 78-84 on the high end
>>98502700Relax, I meant old compared to 10th. I started in 2nd, anon. I don't expect most grogs like me to have stuck around this long. But if 10th was so good it should AT LEAST be keeping around the people who started in say 8th which was the biggest reinfusion the game ever got, and yet, you see very few of them.
>>98502702this might be true actuallyIt happened during 9th editionI would come into the LGS after they already cancelled on me and see them playing in our usual corner and just leave without saying anything
>>98502716>and yet, you see very few of themYou see very few of them
>>98502636all of his jobbing could be easily fixed>all the shards of khaine up until now only ever summoned a weakened version of the avatar, as they only carried a echo of khaine, while the true remaining essence of khaine was only in one remaining unknown shard>now the REAL shard of khaine was awakened, and the REAL avatar of khaine roams the galaxy for the first time>(it's the one that takes off his helmet, speaks more, and is capable of turning back into the young king "form")cue the release of a small young king model once all the phoenix lords are assembled
>>98502704Addressed here >>98502695The point isn't "the game is dying the sky is falling" obviously I don't believe that. But it's doing poorly at keeping old players around in my personal experience, is all I've been arguing. People are going full reddit fedora demanding some kind of proof they know doesn't exist, when they don't have any proof behind their counterarguments either.
>TQ: James Workshop says you have to kill off a founding space marine chapter permanently in the next edition, who are you decimating?Loyalist: Iron Hands they are the most boring. Traitor: Night Lord's they are too edgy.
>>98502716I would say you're unlikely to see many people who started in 7th in any following edition because any poor bastard who started in the worst edition ever probably quit.
>>98502728>actually trying to pull off a motte and bailey at this point in the argumentfucking lmao
>>98502728you've successfully shifted the goalposts to an actual reasonable position which is all you needed to do the whole timeJust dont say dumb shit from now on kthx
>>98502728I love the goalpost movingFrom >Nobody is playing the gameTo >I just mean that a lot of people I know stopped playing current edition
>>98502744Almost everyone came back at the start of 8th. I knew guys who hadn't played since 5th who came back at the start of 8th.
Ain't none of y'all gonna bake?
>>98502750>CTRL-F Nobody is playing the game>1 resultYou are the literal only person to say this. You are the one moving goalposts for me.
>>98502756nah, I like my bread stale and moldy
>>98502728You are a dishonest retard.>The point isn't "the game is dying the sky is falling" obviously I don't believe that>>98502360>who actually plays games of 10th because all the people who used to play fucked off because 10th was the worst edition ever printed.>>98502407>than the completely unfixable, fundamentally broken 10th.>>98502435>but they also rotate out extremely quickly and a lot of old players fucked off too. The retention is bad.Must I go on?
>>98502128Both melta and imperial missiles just have shit stats. The new ork rokkits are way better. Then again they are squatting tacticals and devastators so there's gonna be no one left to carry those weapons.
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>>98502762See >>98502360Sorry I didn't quote it literally you idiot
>>98502695>i-it's meaninglesslmao the cope never stops
>>98502762see >>98502360>You mean who actually plays games of 10th because all the people who used to play fucked off because 10th was the worst edition ever printeYou do realize people know how to scroll upwards right?
>>98501792It does because it forces GW to make those things consistent and thus easier to remember.
>>98502377Well sure, Ideally I'd just keep the 10th edition loadouts since combis are now actually good, making every loadout viable. But no, they had to fuck up the kit and force a schizo loadout.
Best video guide for getting started with the game?
>>98499497new one lads>>98502789>>98502789>>98502789>>98502789
>>98502788You read the rules. Don't ask anything else until you've read the rules.
>>98502788They have a nice play through video for the starter kit with Nids and Ultras that's pretty solid.
>>98502796That's great but do I need to buy 6 die or 600?
>>98502796But which rules should I read?And which youtuber reads them and simplifies them for me the best?
>>98502804Thanks
>>98502807You can roll 6 dice 100 times each to get the same result as rolling 600 dice with this wonderful thing called "write down the result of the 6 you rolled each time on a piece of paper."Scale actual values dependent on what you specifically need, but you don't need this absurd amount of d6 to start. You'll get more later, they aren't expensive, but to start you can write stuff down as long as both parties aren't being scummy/cheating with it.
>>98502879>You can roll 6 dice 100 times each to get the same result as rolling 600 dice with this wonderful thing called "write down the result of the 6 you rolled each time on a piece of paper."At what point in that process do you need to watch out for your opponent trying to kill you for making them sit through 100 dice rolls?
What version of the game should I look into for Necron lore? I need some details on Crypteks and what they can do.
>>98502901The point was to say that you don't need as many dice as your maximum amount possible. Get a few sets (where I am they're sold in packs of 12 for like $3 at nearby lgs), you'll be fine with 2-3 sets for nearly everything.Fwiw, I'm also not aware of a single attack roll on a unit that can go beyond 63 dice at once, but I could just be unaware of it so take that number with a grain of salt.
>>98499497I'll ask again, since the Primaris scale bolt weapons are called rifles and carbines, does that mean firstborn Marines have been using bolt SMGs this whole time?
>>98502435This is retarded.Look at their financials. Which is broken out by not just top level revenue but unit sales and other things. As to be healthy for investors the company has to prove it has growth and retention. 40k is more popular on the tabletop than ever.
>>98502557played 4th-6th started backup in tenth was a ton of fun and got a friend who started in 3rd back as well and he is having loads of fun too. We are both already building out our second armies and its only been 8 months.
>>98503290it just means GW is retarded and the English don't understand firearms
>>98503504>the English don't understand firearms...fuck, that's a good point.
>>985029255th ed codex is a good place to look for lore on crypteks.
