>>98507993
>QT
Not a card game but a dice game. Each gambler rolls 3d6 hoping that 2 numbers match the odd number out is your score (3, 3, 4). If there are 3 identical results it beats any double result roll (5, 5, 5). If you roll number in sequence it beats double and triple score (1, 2, 3). If both players roll a sequence the sequence with the highest number wins (3, 4, 5).

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I've been trying to imagine how you would handle non-violent criminals and people who might others fall into massive debt who live in space. Since you can't have homeless people bumming around in an O'Neil cylinder it seems like it would make sense to have some kind of prison/debtor facilities where you live and are paid to do menial work and part of your wages are taken to pay off any legel debt you have.

I suppose it would make sense to create a whole facility to house convicts but I'm trying think around a setting where it takes 20+ years to build a full on O'Neil cylinder and shipping them back to Earth is a limited/non-option.

>>98508529
I find it doubtful there's anything they could do that an AI couldn't do better and cheaper. It's like on Star Trek when a society that has teleporters still uses people with picks to work in a slave mine.

>>98508567
Teleporters cause energy to use so it's not something can be use used freely or easily. Not only that, I imagine the Federation gate kept a lot of the technology from worlds/organizations that didn't play ball with it politically and socially.

Granted, the show was somewhat inconsistant with its use and rules so there is that.

>>98508529
space em

>>98508529
Most prison labor nowadays is absolutely not a good way to spend money. It's basically ideological.

>>98507993
>Does your world have any board games?
Most likely, considering the nature of people.
Something akin to chess, but with more dynamic rules. Suppose the only dynamic mechanic in chess is that pawns can upgrade if they reach the end of the board.
I doubt I will flesh it out too much- perhaps name the pieces without defining the rules they play with.

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>>98508529
>shipping them back to Earth is a limited/non-option.
Are you going to give your precious bodily essentials to Earth? Just like that?

>>98507993
>TQ
There's at least one game that I've given some details on, which is similar to the viking "chess" game. It's played on a circular board divided into a grid, with one player's pieces starting in the center and the other's around the edges. The player in the center must protect his commander pieces at the center of the board, and the other player must capture the commander by moving one of his pieces on it.

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I just had a chain-braindump-worldbuilding epiphany over the last few weeks finally fleshing out the most compelling aspects of the world I'm working on. I'm now the proud owner of one of the most valuable IPs in the world.

>>98510017
why are boron and bromine white text?

>>98508529
Why would you need to imprisoned debtors? Anyone who isnt going to reoffend can just be put into the general population. Maybe moved to a specific work crew or something, but presumably a society thats been in space a while has strong cultural impetuses towards doing your part to make the station not explode, so they probably wont even try to run away.

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>>98511646
People always have a little bit of it, but as far as we know, we don't need either.

https://saylordotorg.github.io/text_general-chemistry-principles-patterns-and-applications-v1.0/s05-08-essential-elements-for-life.html
>Some other elements are essential for specific organisms. For example, boron is required for the growth of certain plants, bromine is widely distributed in marine organisms

>>98511961
why are calcium, phosphorus, chlorine and potassium under macrominerals despite being greater amounts than sulfur

These threads used to fun. People posting icebergs and maps and political compasses and meme maps. What the fuck happened

>>98512300
Board dead.

>>98511661
I don't know. I'm trying to figure out what society in a 20 mile long tube would be like that isn't just a copy and paste of being on Earth. Things like where you go to buy your smokes and where you to clubs or just to hang out I imagine would be considerably different when you can't freely leave to another geographical location or easily seperated

>>98512300
>>98512305
Don't forget the board is probably aging out as well. Next thing you know there will be nothing but 60 year old bottom feeders argueing whose autism is better.

>QT
I am fleshing out my world's chess equivalent. I want it to be actually playable and have defined rules to satisfy my autism. I still need to playtest it, so many things could change. It is similar to chess, played on a 15 x 18 board, where the objective is to get your King to the opponents throne. Each player may choose their pieces and their initial formation, having 25 pieces per side.
The idea is to make something that requires strategic and tactical thinking, patience, and takes a long time to master.

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Kind of an esoteric question but would it make sense to say people who have the ability to access the minds of others in a virtual reality sort of way would naturally structure their minds in a way that you could navigate?

Basically, would the individual navigating into someone else's mind basically "force" a certain form from their perspective that is then influenced by the person they are inside or would the person whose mind is being invaded/traversed already have it structured and laid out and you, the invader, just have to navigate around it?

I've been stealing some ideas for how to have the mind/virtual reality realm that is highly inspired by The Evil Within, Xenosaga, and movies like pic related with the general idea that there are some concepts that are just universally accepted so no matter what a chair is a chair unless the person had such control of their perspectiv they could somehow twist it into something else and really mess with the "reality" of a virutal mind world.

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I got a couple ideas for an elemental/alchemical magic system after months of simply ignoring magic and focusing on other aspects of the world. Different materials do different things, very unique I know, and I wanted each element to also have downsides and costs such as salt basically making you into a zombie and quicksilver making you go crazy. But I'm not sure what to do with sulfur other than I kind of wanted them to be more akin to stereotypical wizards and mages, but I'm not sure what to do for a cost

>>98513848
How structured is your own mind?

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>>98511661
>Why would you need to imprisoned debtors?
I mean, you could make the same question for human civilization in general, and yet "debtors' prison" is a term that exists.

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>>98514678
For how it would work in setting? It would be a circular world that would look like a place or places familiar to me with different buildings representing certain memories and ideas with some being permanent and others coming and going. If you dig deep enough the whole virtual space would begin to derealize causing you to derealize and destroy the host mind in the process.

If you were trained in psychic defense you could actively create defense mechanism to protect yourself like spaces to quarantine foreign thought forms or creating your own thought forms to act as active defense to go and destroy and invade whoever is trying to invade your own mind.

This can also be used as a form of assassination, tricking someone into entering your mind to kill them or infect them mind virus.

>>98514502
I am not really sure what you mean by 'using' the primes, but if it comes to downsides i'd probably base it on what the primes represent for the human body, like how Salt is the body, Mercury the Spirit and Sulfur the Soul, and maybe have the downdies being related to an imabalance between them in yourself after use.

with Salt being related to the health of the body, Mercury being about your cognitive abitlies and Sulfur being about your character and moral compass.

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>want a nice map to work with as I write out my history
>dare try AI
>explain everything in autistic detail from borders to hydrology and orology
>it invents a name for my continent and fucks all the borders up
Ok, is Wonderdraft still the best map making tool? It has been a few years for me.

How do people feel about inconsistencies in universe lore? I don't mean actual facts not aligning, but that in universe people are more "Unreliable Narrator" and gives biased information, their human perspective, their opinion of something. They have incomplete information and interpret stuff through their own lens. It is generally "right" but lacks exactness and the completeness as you would expect from even a real eye witness, first hand account, to an event.

I, the creator of the lore am omniscient in regards to whatever in universe fact is the topic, I know the true and accurate description.

Does that get messy and complicated for people or do they tend to roll with it and have their own interpretations of stuff (once they realize that people in universe exaggerate or fluff up claims etc).

>>98517747

Love them. Hate the usual "encyclopedia exposita" approach that stems from DND.

>>98516427
what about cheap and free? Besides MS Paint, i mean

>>98517747
I love TES unreliable narrator, in general it makes a setting feel more alive

>>98516427
>Halfarok
Is there Afulrok somewhere, too?

>>98517747
A lot of the lore descriptions I write for my worldbuilding stuff are written as in-universe texts, and while most of it is supposed to be from sources that at least try to maintain objectivity like encyclopedias, I sometimes write stuff that's supposed to be outright propaganda, or tell the same thing from two completely different viewpoints, or have text that is in-universe intended to be objective but is based on incorrect information. Like, there's a character who is in-universe considered a great military hero but actually more of a Flashman/Ciaphas Cain style figure who's kind of a screwup who just got lucky during an important battle, and most of the in-universe lore take the heroic legend at face value.

>>98517747
I like it, especially when its clear that even in setting people disagree.

Like people give ASOIAf a lot of shit for the thousands of year old kingdoms and the like, but like there are at least half a dozen instances in teh book where its pointed out that scholars in setting disagree wih many of the commonly stated histories or land sizes and the like.

>>98517747
It takes an extremely good writer(s) to be able to have the unreliable and bias'd perspectives of the people in universe while also giving hints about what is really going on. I suppose it just depends on what you're all about because leaving some things unanswered and up to the reader/player is sometimes the best way so you avoid trapping yourself with details only autist will endlessly go on about and will do anyways.

>>98518866
>It takes an extremely good writer(s) to be able to have the unreliable and bias'd perspectives of the people in universe
I agree that it's probably slightly more difficult in some ways. To say X happened and such and such is cut and dry, but I also think it would be common sense for people to describe it slightly differently and to have different perspectives about whatever is going on. I think, when you bring it down to a character-minded level, you can make a lot of arguments about people aligning, not disagreeing why X happened, but still being confusing the subject matter or diverging in their description in some way or focusing on certain elements, before or after the lead up to or are the effect of something.

>>98507993
Hey, is the anon who’s been posting images of their factions here? I’d love to see more of that.

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>>98518963
I think a large part of that is what you are trying to convey with that level of story telling and whether or not you trust your readers/audience to be able to take anyway anything from it.

You could be very on the nose and have the voice of god that says "In truth, they are all fuck heads and this is the truth of the world."

I guess one example that comes to mind is Demon Souls where you get the Beast Talisman that straight up tells you incantations and sorceries and literally the same and all come from the same place after you, the player, go back and forth between the two magic vendors and listening to their perspectives and biases against the other.

>>98518866
what about having a setting bible but only showing in-universe perspectives to readers?

does the pototatoes supposed ability to rescue a civilization from the dark ages have any basis in reality other than its stats on a page?
its doubled productivity compared to wheat has never seemed to work out in real life
potatoes have never outstripped wheat the whole its been in the old world while even in the americas, the incas treated it as secondary to corn as a staple crop
the only time its actually been adopted as the number 1 crop was by the irish, but only because they sold the wheat, they grew more wheat than potato and only subsisted on the potato because they couldnt eat the wheat

it seems more like it would replace rye as a food for the poor rather than become the main crop

>>98515334
Cool, but not every place had those, which is what I was saying.

>>98520910
>its doubled productivity compared to wheat
What?
I've never heard this and I've really just described a lot of stuff regarding grains/grasses/cereals whatever you want to call them in my setting's culture as less important for food anyways where other crops are more valued.

>>98520939
>I've never heard this
it was an off-the-cuff approximation I heard from people a lot
but a quick google search actually says its more like 3 or 4 times the productivity of wheat, so the disparity is larger with modern technology

but if measured in tonnage, then potatoes would be a distant 4th place out of corn, rice, and wheat
so even with the high theoretical output, its still lagging behind

>>98520910

As we had one (1) dark age with a sad lack of potatoes, I'll suppose the tought experiment is kinda lacking.

That being said, the collapse of western roman empire had jack shit to do with crop producitivity, so while your agricoltural points seem kinda sensible, I think you have to define what you mean with "dark ages" in this context.

>>98520910
In my setting it is the staple food of the dwarves and it's how they survive on the mountains since not much else seems to grow there but mountains make the best potatoes

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>>98522449

You know, speaking of dwarves and mountains, I think there is a strange "zoning" idea about them. Like they have to live only on higher slopes (when not in caves).

But why? In Tolkien they don't seem to do so. Erebor is straight from the plain, Moria's western gates aren't particulary high either.

You could do a nice agricoltural differentiation with just "mountains". If pic related is too tropical, there is something akin to that tradtionally in the Alps.

>>98522518
switzerland seems a lot more green and verdant than the andes

>>98522644

No shit if you compare it to driest Andes, it still has/had zonation (three levels of sorts).

Way less relevant now. Indeed, not only agricolture but husbandry is considerably retreating for economical reasons (to the extent we're seeing massive forest growth).

>>98520910
you have to understand something very simple you are probably unaware because you know nothing about farming especially pre-industrial.
not all terrain and ground are conductive for farming especially wheat.
So if fallow lands that could produce nothing can now produce a staple crop yearly then obviously it's a game changer
Do note that preindustrially wheat was grown along with rye mostly because wheat actually has to be rotated meaning you couldnt plant the same plot with wheat two years in a row as a crop unlike rye so a large part of the fields were always rye fields for their cereal needs

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What would be some finished products that would make sense to transfer from the Moon to Earth and would it make sense to have the transport ship be big enough to act as a the last stop in the refining process?

Also, could I use a nuclear engine to drive said ship if it were half the size of a typical O'Neil Cylinder?

In settings where fusion power is abundant, like Warhammer 40k, why does something like a Dreadnought or Tau Battlesuit exist? A tank can do everything they can, and a drone on treads would be able to carry even heavier armaments.

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>>98523315
A tank can't yeet a statue at a deamon engine.

>>98520946
>but a quick google search actually says its more like 3 or 4 times the productivity of wheat
I can see that a potato is more compact, a real dense form of calories where wheat is not only labor intensive and require more specialized tools to harvest the grain, but it also requires a vast surface area. I just don't think I'd call it "more productive" than wheat without qualifying how/why.

>>98523313

You're probably better thinking about freefall made goods.
Also fuck no, ships have tight mass budgets.

>>98523369
For a vessel that will never enter LEO?

>>98516427
Why would an LLM be able to interpret borders?

The trick is not to give it only a description. What you want to do is hand draw your map, autistically detail where you want specific text, and then tell the AI to redraw the map in a specific style.

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>>98523331
But you could put the statue on the tank and then use the tank to flip the demon.

>>98523377

DV is still DV anon, even if it's like a tenth. We don't build shit on trains and trucks, right? If you have the fucking moon, just build factories there.

>>98523313
Probably nothing. There's nothing on the moon that Earth needs, and nothing we could produce or refine on the Moon that we wouldn't already have logistics chains for on Earth.

>>98522830
that just goes back to theorycrafting
the potato could do this and do that, but it never actually did as far as we can tell

its historical use was a replacement for rye as cheap food for the poor, but it never displaced wheat as a primary crop