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>>98509555>What’s the coolest faction and why?Orks because they are for fightin' and for winnin'.
>TQTau Empire, cause they got that dog in them.
>>98509572tau are monstrously cool and the butthurt concerning them is a consequence of this
>tqI liek orks XD
I'm wanting to get into a Chaos faction for a new armyIs there an actual gimmick to Red Corsairs, or are they just Coke Zero to CSM's Diet Coke, for lack of a better term off the top of my head? Should I even bother vs. picking a specific god's unique roster instead?
>>98509555>TQthe answer is, and always will be, /yourdudes/
>>98509596*gasp*anon you're much too kind <3
>>98509555>TQ
>>98509612
>>98509555>What’s the coolest faction and why?They're all cool in different ways, that's what makes 40k successful. Each faction appeals to a different demographic and they can all play versus each other in a single game/universe.But objectively it's Grey Knights.
>>98509621Total word bearer eradication
>>98509594Red corsairs are, crunchwise, a detachment of CSMs.
>>98509627This sequence was so stupid and over the top. I loved every second of it and I'm not ashamed of it. Sometimes capeshit hits just right.
>>98509612>>98509621>>98509627Go to /hhg/ faggots
>>98509594Get a good deal on them if you can 5 raiders for 65 sucks ass. They aren't even battleline
>>98509622>It’s grey kni-ACK
>>98509622true
>>98509643>thinking cuckstodes are coolbrazilian hands typed this post
>>98509643>some cringe soijak meme by a seething insecure custodesfagLolGK would literally roll Custodes in a straight up fight, that's why Custards need to hide behind their anti-magic field smelly bald foids.
>>98509643Custodes would lose btw
>>98509628I know that, that's why I'm askingI guess the question is better phrased as "should I look at generic CSM at all vs picking a specific god's army?"I'm entirely ignorant of the gimmicks in CSM or the specific armies, none of my friends play them and I haven't seen a Chaos player of any kind in like 3 years so I have next to no experience with any of them.I play Guard and Sisters currently, looking for more things.>>98509640>5 dudes>65 USDGW is up their own ass, wtf10 Cadians is 5310 Tacticals is 60
so much bickeringdreadfully inefficient
>>98509555>TQBlood Angels because noble berserkers is the coolest thing ever
>>98509643>GKs teleport a psy-titan into the throne room>custodes instantly loseanyway
>>98509677I want to rape their fathers and court their mothers, while making love to their brothers.
>>98509677why is bro dicking around with his sword and flag instead of fighting
>>98509636>red corsairs>hhgFucking retard
>>98509555>TQThe coolest faction is the one that resonates most with you for whatever reason you choose
I'm trying to go with a more corroded theme for my plague marines rather than a green, mutant-ish theme. I know this needs a lot of cleanup, but how is it looking so far?
>>98509682Calm down slaanesh>>98509685He's stabbing an invisible daemon that was trying to jump attack him, he's just that good
>>98509695very refreshing but don't be afraid to play up the gore and guts and such of the dg alongside
>>98509695>how is it lookinglike I need a tetanus shot just looking at it.
>>98509699Will do.>>98509703Based, just what I was going for.
>>98509695GRANDFATHER'S GIFTSA BIT OF MY POO FOR YOU
>>98509686As if I was going to read all the lines of that gay BL slop you posted, it just looked like the same Isstvan shit as >>98509621 at a glance, eat shit consoomer retard.
>>98509719trying WAY too hard
>>98509695I'd consider having a few of the rust spots have that "water trail" you see on IRL rust to show he's actually fought in the armor out in the elements.As it stands, it looks like untreated metal that's been exposed (but not directly) to the elements for a few years, which makes it look like "I found this in my grandpa's basement when we were cleaning out his house" more than "armor that's been fought in," because fought-in armor will have natural wear from the elements being directly on it in the field.Your pitting job on the big panels is really good either way.
>>98509719nomodels moment
>>98509695Looks great, but the teeth need texture and more color, make sure you do more with those.
>>98509555Eldar of course. Yes I would like a knight with a lance on a jetbike, thank you. I will also have a giant mech with a sword and the burning avatar of a war god please.
>>98509726Chaos tranny post
I like orks :D
>>98509733yo i think the eldar might be demon worshippers or sumth idk
>>98509728Good points, I'll work on that.
Does Jack hate Chaos enough to be a Grey Knight?
>>98509733What about a giant mech knight with a burning avatar lance?
>>98509728Actually, do you have any pictures of the water trail you're talking about?
>>98509745He's an honorary member, the Inquisitor said he gets a pass.
>>98509748GW better not pussy out with giving us these at Wraighknight size when the full Exodite army release happens.
>>98509745Isn't he actually garland due to some gay time loop BS? So no, he's basically diet Abaddon/Archaeon.
>>98509752I'll repost the Imperial Armor tank picture from last threadThat little trail running down over the paint from the rust spot "proper" (which is where the paint has chipped off) is what I mean.The ones on the big panel in front of the cupola are a better example specifically, you see the rust running down from where rain has clearly carried it down from the origin point.
>>98509555>TQImperial Knights. Being a noble mech warrior pilot with a fiefdom and free reign is the only way to live in galaxy. Wish they got cheap peasant infantry though in table top though. I could use some screens.
>>98509627>>98509634>it starts to rain main battle tanks
>>98509779I will admit Knights mildly confuse me cause what's the appeal of them over just fielding a titan?
>>98509577They ended up hoarding all the indominable human spirit for themselves after the Imperium gave it up to be the dominant empire in the galaxy
I dont want to paint my Mantis Warriors Librarians blue!I refuse!
>>98509733>avatar triumphant over space marinesHas that EVER happened?
>>98509775Fuck that's so above my skill level I have no clue how you would do most of that.
>>98509775I'm kind of already committed with the grainy Typhus Corrosion texture, but I might do that for my vehicles.
>>98509748Marinekeks would have you believe that this isn't tight as fuck.
>>98509842https://gofile.io/d/I3Df7E0n
>>98509813they are better at being human and humane than imperium of man, no doubt
than the*brb kms
Wish we got to see more types of Gue'vesa being rehabilitated in the Tau Empire. I wanna see how they rehabilitate a former Krieg Guardsman, or a Techpriest or Skitarii whose 90% cybernetics, or even a servitor who wasn't quite as braindead as usual
>>98509842>no clue how you would do most of thatHere's how I've done rust for Bolt Action vehicles and the rivets on German helmets:>put your darkest brown paint on the specific spot where the rust is originating>take a smaller brush with no paint in it and use it to trail the brown downwards like water trails would be>put your middle brown-orange paint on the edges between panels>repeat step 2 with this color>put your lightest orange/ochre (I've used Bestigor Flesh before for this) on the focal points where the rust would be "fresh" directly under rust spots as a highlightYou can find videos of other people doing this, it's very big in historical models and wargames for obvious reasons. I think Duncan Rhodes has a video showing it for terrain as well if you need it from him, you'd have to check.
>>98509842>buy oil paints>put a few tiny dots of different colored paint on model >get a wide clean brush>dip in spirits>drag down over the paint a few timesthere, instantly have that effect with zero skill or practice required. its one of the oldest armor modelling tricks in the book.
>>98509555Space Wolves are the only faction with ice guns therefore they unfortunately win coolest by default.
>>98509902>rehabilitate a former Krieg Guardsmanthat does not happen, period, i'd at least suspect, just to point it out concerning the specific sort of guardprobably not for anyone borged up either. what child of the omnissiah would ever, ever lay down before the tau? unthinkable.gue'vesa refers to human military auxiliaries besidesgue'la is what the blue man group calls humans broadly
When I first started 40k I bought a drukhari start collecting box in 8th edition and I fucking hated them. How are they now?
>>98509937Eh, the Kriegers get hyped up but they're not as suicidally resolute as people think, in their own Vraks book we see Kriegers kill their own commissars so they can flee the battlefield. Unlike the Space Marines, they do still in fact feel fear. As for techpriests, you absolutely could convert them so long as you found one that leaned more towards being a heretek, obviously a hardened traditionalists who hates all innovation and xeno tech would never convert but someone like Cawl?
Reminder that if the DEldar catch you, pretend to be a secret Slaanesh cultist who fetishizes being tortured.
>>98509832He has a helmet on its all good
Let Chaos Idols take this thread!
>>98509954Brochacho they know you’re faking it
>>98509954I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be the first to think of that, so they'd probably have some extra fucked up torture ready for just such a smart victim.
>>98509961I wish I was as dedicated to a waifu as this nigga
>>98509953>in their own Vraks book we see Kriegers kill their own commissars so they can flee the battlefield.news to me, shamefur dispray, where the fuck are they going to run lmao bunch of fools
Oh nooooo don’t turn me into the insoles of a sexy DEldar lady nooooooooo
>>98509779That mad lad in the back left who climbed ontop of the knight in mega armour and is just digging his way through the shell is pure kino. The artist really captured the brutality and desperation in that moment.
>>98509969your feeble attempt at deceptively conveying non-preference was detected and you shall be fashioned into a box of eldar tampons instead
does the leg of the middle guy look convincingly mangled like it got hit by a bomb squig, or is there more work that should be done on it?
>>98509974I bet Khorne would still take me
do you ever come up with back stories for individual /yourdude/ models?
>>98509986Of course
>>98509990postem
>>98509986Only for the Vulkan / Adrax proxy I think of as the Chapter Master
>>98509995No :^)
>>98509986yup. every inquisitorial agent gets something, if even just a name for now.
>>98509986I posted 5 of them yesterday or the day before. All characters get them, some sergeants and squads. Vehicle too on occasion, though that’s much more variable.> Brother Cazador, the Saint of Ashes.> Cazador Peshada was the predecessor to the current 8th company captain. As master of the 8th he was both a skilled apothecary and techmarine. Crippled by a Dark Eldar assassination attempt in M41.883, and, on the brink of death, he interred in a truly sarcophagus and slumbered for several decades.>In a joint project between Tejana and the Coal Hearts armory the Madrigal Pattern was the product of well over a century of work. The core of the design was a functional Saturnine dreadnought torso and power plant, recovered from an expedition into the Ghoul Stars. The legs and servos, along with much of the cogitator systems were unrecoverable. After decades of no progress, a method was devised to attach the dreadnought torso to the legs of a Dunecrawler and use its systems as a means of bootstrapping the Saturnine’s weakened machine spirit. This of course led to difficulty as the neural strain from piloting such a walker and handling its complex machine spirit would require a strong mind and unsurpassed will. Cazador had that will, after being installed it was found that as a former Techmarine he was particularly well suited to the task. Still, he has spent long years asleep to reduce the strain and extend his functional life. Every campaign may be his last, and the chapter is loath to lose such a powerful warmachine. He is seen by some as the ultimate example of what any Coal Heart may become given enough time, a killing machine consumed bit by bit until almost nothing is left of the flesh and blood man that once was.
>>98509986The most I've done is name the warlord unit for /mydudes/ that I use a Cadian Castellan proxied with Ursula Creed's unit card.Major-General Thom 'Ceramite' Jaxson leads his 'Ceramite Brigade' of my greater guard regiment from the planet Dicksie. Like his namesake, he leads from the front. I haven't settled on a name for the full regiment yet.I've barely started writing up this regiment, this is just what I've gotten out so far.
>>98510001My CM just has basic termie captain weapons as his model's equipment. I sorta wish I gave him something special instead.
>>98510023The fuck, he was interred in sarcophagus and slumbered*
>>98509986only my hh dudespretty much everything 40gay is cannonfoddercore
>>98510024I did a team event with a guy who’s Guard regiment was led by one Apollo Creed (no relation). He had a powerfist wielding tank commander leaning out of a Russ turret. It was th Cadian 609th regiment iirc. He was a fun dude.
>>98510034>powerfist wielding tank commander>Apollo Creed>(no relation)This is far funnier to me than it has any right to be
>>98510034>Soul>>98510023>Soulless
>struggling to figure out a first army>Cavalry with mechs and light infantry seem to be the vibe I like>Keep model count sort of low>Start figuring out factions>AdMil cavalry with walkers and tanks seems classic, could kitbash rider into hussars but it seems to rely on numbers>AdMech dragoons look baller but the faction seems to want me to lean towards large numbers/battleline>Aeldari dragon knights look awesome and there are good dinosaur proxies but there isn't a good mech vibe to pair with itI don't fucking know
>>98510023The freehanding and technique is fucking fantastic but the scheme just kinda rubs me the wrong way
>>98509986yeah but they're usually one liners.
>>98510062Sally has an overabundance of passion but very little artistic understanding.
>>98509986Sure, I've got my Donut Steel tier chapter master, my captains, some of the LTs and standard bearers, my terminator sergeant, then a couple of my knights, my DE Archon, a bunch of space marines I haven't actually built, some of my dreadnoughts, a couple of my tau have backstory even, and some of my BFG ships.Only a couple names though. Can't do names for shit.
>>98510078Gimme the details on the guy with cloud banner and contrail.
>>98509980LE ECKS DEE XDXD
>>98509980I think it looks workable. What scheme are you planning them to have?
>>98510080That's the 6th company banner under Captain Gigi Nakani, the bearer doesn't actually have a backstory besides being a double ace. The 6th company technically only has the captain and 7 vet sergeants since it's a training company for all the vehicles and aircraft. The banner basically only comes out for ceremonies or full chapter deployments.
>>98510076I mean, I still get itEven if you have doubts about your color scheme at times, you still have to choose between sticking to your guns or repainting an entire army from scratch. Even if it is a pallet that doesn't work well on every unit you paint, there is still some nobility in doubling down on a unique scheme that is /yours/
>>98510102Thank you for sharing. Love seeing your guys.
>>98510118Thank you, always a pleasure to see yours
>Tau get mocked for being naive enough to give the Drukhari a small diplomatic team>Meanwhile the Imperium is over here allowing the Drukhari to fuck around with the Golden Throne itselfGenuinely what the FUCK were the high lords thinking
>>98510129>Your enemies>Not the Emperor's enemiesholy shit get these heretics outta here
>>98509986One of my corsair felarchs was an exodite captured by a deldar raiding party as a young man. Luckily he had a natural talent for fighting, and was spared the torture rack. Instead he was forced to fight in the arenas of Commorragh for many, many years before he managed to escape. Of course as a man wanted by a powerful cabal who has only known violence and bloodshed, he had few options. He turned to Khaine searching for survival and purpose and joined an incubi shrine. Of course he successfully completed the grueling initiation process and even became a klaivex. Eventually his shrine took a contract from a Corsair Prince, where a number of the incubi decided to pledge loyalty and remain with the corsair band. He makes no attempt to conceal his disdain for Commorites, which is not least fueled by the fact that he is much more like them than any craftworlder or exodite. He says that his greatest fear is that the bloodlust will take him, and like the exarch he murdered he will be unable to turn his mind from the thrill of killing. In reality, his greatest fear is that it already has.he’s still unnamed just like all of my dudes because I am awful at coming up with names
>>98510153Are your implying that your enemies and the emperor’s enemies are not one and the same?
>>98510165The Emperor's enemies are as numerous as the stars and the work will never truly be done while it is entirely feasible that your enemies can be killed in a reasonable amount of time.
>Catholics think suffering is good>Protestants think pleasure is badHow would the Imperium be different if the Emperor had embraced a Protestant style of "totally not a religion bro" ruling instead?
>>98510027That can always be corrected with some 3D printed bitz Remember, like 90% of the playerbase uses stock GW kitsKitbashing and converting puts you in the top 10%, you don't have to go sicko mode with it
why did they give ghostkeels such luscious thighs god DAMN my dude
>>98510129>what the FUCK were the high lords thinking“holy shit the golden throne is failing we are so fucked cawl is so fucking useless”“hmm… my rogue trader nephew said the deldar have all sorts of tech and shit… maybe…”
hello friends i have painted a model
>>98510187I wonder if a ghostkeel AI would pilot the battlesuit itself...do a lapdance maybe...>>98510182>The Tau neither glorify suffering like the flagellants and hivers of the Imperium, but nor do they allow their people to enjoy the highest quality finer things in life like pleasure worlds and prefer minimalistic architecture and designsTau confirmed to be Protestant-coded
>>98510195How dare you
>>98510195big giant sexy bitch god DAMN
>>98510182Neither of those things are true lolThe Imperium probably wouldn’t function without extreme governanceIn general extreme circumstances require extreme governance
>>98510210I think the Imperium's biggest problem is, ironically it's far too lax and liberal in its governance.
>>98510214how do you effectively exert governance over like, what, a thousand trillion people?the imperium doesn't have any real underpinning motivating ideology instilling decency or even the notion of it in anyoneand there's no installing such a thing so far down the lineshit is fuckedbest they can do is arbites and space marine gangbanger hit squads to murder any goys that behave too too poorly
>>98510193this boy ‘ates humies
>>98510230YesEldar supremacy
>>98510234eldar are gay tho
>>98510239oppositedark eldar are reasonably cool and interestingnormal eldar are extremely queer coded
>>98510195I finished my collage entry
>>98510244shitty bait
>>98510250Good shit anon
>>98510250
>>98509695Would be lovely for plague marines on the black legion, like rusted fucked up BL's.
>>98510251the truth hurts anon
>>98510253Thanks, Anon.
>Even ignoring the machinations of the Emperor himself, the perpetuals were also fucking around with humanity throughout their history>Meaning humanity has basically always just been the slave goys to a race of immortal genetically superior illuminati hiding in the shadowsJfc it's not even badass anymore this is just straight up being cucked to be a human in this setting
>>98510266Wait til you hear humans were created by the same frogs that made the orks and eldar!
>>98510266only if you remain on the goy plantation and don’t attempt to take power for yourself
>>98510266In general the perpetuals were just guiding and shepherding baseline humansIt was the Emperor who forcibly united humanity because he was scared of the rise of the chaos godsEssentially all of the perpetuals abandoned Emp other than Malcador by the end of it because he was being such a schizo tyrant
>>98510221>how do you effectively exert governance over like, what, a thousand trillion people?The Greater Good
>>98510284The perpetuals meetup must be really lame now
>>98510266>posts kriegers >somehow not cucked lol
>>98510287thisemps fundamentally misunderstood religiosity and human nature which isnt really that surprising since hes so far from humanso he just went on an autistic rampage with pretty severe consequences for the imperium as a wholeand now we have the grimdark 40k we all know and love…we do love 40k right?
>>98510293Hell yeah 40k is fun as fukOn an unrelated note though, it is funny how some people think that the DAoT was humanity being a Star Trek-esque bunch of hippies and then you read about it and its a bunch of man-made horrors beyond your comprehension. Scientific god-kings that toy with the human genome like putty to produce obedient slave-soldiers by the trillions, sentient nanovirus plagues, the butchers nails embedded into the STC so that every colony can implant it into the brains of their citizens, freakish body mods that turns humans into mutated horrors, etc.
>>98510266Nulore ignore.Perpetuals don't exist in any writing of Rick Priestley or co. they are literally fanfiction made up by Black Library hacks.
>>98510320>it is funny how some people think that the DAoT was humanity being a Star Trek-esque bunch of hippiesNot sure how anyone could have come to that conclusion when it caused the Age of Strife that followed and a bunch of horrific weapons are constantly vaguely alluded to being locked away in Mechanicus vaults from that time period.
>>98510320old night was completely fuckedjust about anything you can imagine in the way of diasporic humanity doing bad shit to itself and other life, as well as the numberless horrors of the galaxy just having their way with the cast-off colonies of mankind for thousands of years on endthe imperium was once a force for good
>>98510344tbqh Star Trek humanity also had eras of hideous violence. In nutrek they even manage to annihilate warp capabilities for like 90% of the galaxy and have to rely on magic warp fungus.
>Wraithlord, WS/BS 4+>Psychic Guidance gives +1 WS and BS>Wraithguard/Wraithblade, WS/BS 4+>Psychic Guidance gives +1 to hitAs if Wraithbros weren't cucked enough, why would they do this? They're penalizing you for taking the Battleline units in Spirit Conclave
the novel I want most from GW is this:>purely the PoV of the emperor>while stuck on the golden throne>his thoughts, inner monologue>custodes talking to him>his opinion on things happening to the galaxy from what he can either piece together from talk in the throne room or from what he gathers from the warp>thousand year blackouts >self-loathing>the book doesn't actually tell us anything new about anything>and very little thoughts about the heresy/primarchs because fuck them
>>98510377Sounds gay.
>>98510320>the butchers nailsI thought the buttcher's nails were a dark eldar invention, not DAoT tech
>>98510377sounds based
>>98510377Yeah I miss TTS too>b-b-b-but reddit-When /tg/ was good TTS was loved here, simple as
>>98509664So how are commander Farsight and his close personal friends doing my good Tau?
>>98510423we don't talk about them
>>98509832In the most famous piece of 40k Khaine art, yes.
>>98509664Boy, they're really hammering in the "Star Trek Faction" thing here, even got some Mirandas flying overhead>>98510397If it was a dark eldar invention they wouldn't kill you, that defeats the whole point. They'd make you live longer if anything.
>>98510430r u guise sure that isn't khorne...?i can see how the names would get a little muddled
>>98510244> codedYou must be older than 18 to post here, young zoomer
>>98510462NTA but are you retarded, "coded" has been in use for like 20 fucking years
Very happy with how my archon conversion is coming along. Show me your best conversions, preferably without paint.
the imperium must die
>>98510337This. If there is no mentioning of something in the rule books/codices, its non-canon.
Reminder that this is the proper way to make a T'au list.Cadre Fireblade (65pts): WarlordCadre Fireblade (50pts)Firesight Team (55pts)Firesight Team (55pts)10x Breacher Team (90pts)10x Breacher Team (90pts)10x Breacher Team (90pts)10x Strike Team (70pts)10x Strike Team (70pts)10x Strike Team (70pts)10x Strike Team (70pts)10x Pathfinder Team (85pts)10x Pathfinder Team (85pts)
>>98510518you think i like orks?i kill orks for fun
>>98510533I LIKE ORKS ANON :DD
>>98510474
WHO DOESNT LIKE ORKS XDXD LE ECKS DEE ;DD XDXD
>>98510557>>98510518This but unironically :D
>>98510562:DDD
Would it be worth it to get a single drop pod for a marine list?
>>98510530that's not a uniform battlesuit blob anon
>>98510474I got all my extra space wolf bits so I can decorate my larger bases. Got my daemon prince about as done as I can think to do. Terminator sorcerer and a custom infernal master been ready for a while. I have like 1200 points I need to actually paint now.
>>98510530Taufags already don't paint the few models they need to. Why would you make it even harder on them, anon?
There are no stores near me. What's the best way to play if your state (or country) doesn't have many stores? Am I really going to paint everything up just to end up playing on TTS anyway lol
Warhammer40k status?
>>98510620it's actually so fucking joever
>>98510628rolling
>>98510572Battle suits are for fags, pick up that pulse carbine and charge that space marine like a man
>>98509622I love them so much. Ever since that entry in the DM book.
Question, I want to make my own guys and want some adviceThey're a raven guard successor chapter, does anyone have any like, ideas or info on how raven guards view their successors and vice versa? I want to actually build them eventually when I get the chance, only played on tabletop sim so far
>>98509733Man, this new model is so sick. It makes me feel bad retroactively for liking it's old model
>>98510628Translator's note: all these eldar are male
James this needs to be a core rule I beg you
>>98509804there are way more knights than titans and its easier on logistics to move them
what a beast
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98510766such a weird premise for a 40k videogame at the time
Are knights better to play in HH than 40k
>>98510773i choose to willfully deceive myself in looking back on it as though it were a near peer to gaylo as opposed to the pitiful if lovingly crafted game it actually waskais was just one of those once-in-ten-generations prodigious turbomurderers that sometimes crop up
>>98509555What was your first 40k purchase? Mine was battle for macragge box set
>>98510786either khorne daemonkin codex or box of csm
>>98510786MINE WAS THE 16 ORK BOX LE LE ECKS DEE XDXD :DD
>>98510567No. There are easier and better ways to deep strike.
>>98510786I thought it was Black Reach but I found the little geneseed guy from Macragge the other day so it must've been that.
>>985107862007 ork boyz box
>>98510786
>>98510786Warlock and Sweeping Hawks in the same purchase. I had no idea what I was doing and still do not
>>98510620How in the actual fuck does anyone click on this?
>>98510786Gravis captain with heavy bolt rifle
>>98510786White Dwarf>Bro didn't specify models lmaooooooo chopped unc fr fr
>>98510786Mine was a commader dante but before that i traded some yugioh cards and gogos for the marines in battle for macragge with a classmate. Good times
This is what felinids should look like
>>98509760I'd rather its at medium size, like an armiger. That way I can bring three and its only 20% of my army.
>>98509953Cawl wouldn't betray the imperium because as chill as he is he is a (machine) human supremacist still. He sees aliens as retarded and lesser, and he verbalizes such when he play tortures necrons as he often does.
>>98510903Wouldn't mind.I'd imagine the imperium cares so little about abhumans that they'd bundle various beast-like abhumans into one category, so they can look however you like.The manga is quite good, I enjoyed reading it.
>>98510786I painted my bro's leftover models, so my first proper purchase was the previous imperial guard combat patrol, the one with 20 cadians, a command squad, a sentinel and the field guns.
Anyone looked at the Nu-Orks? Looks like 11th edition is gonna be broken vs broken with what seems to be atleast double the current damage on average...I don't think I'm very exited for 11th anymore.
>>98510953it just looks to me like orks are being re-adjusted to allow for a hero hammer army in addition to just infantry or vehicle spam. i dont mind them getting another playstyle
>>98510956But.. they're playing hero hammer right now!
>>98510786a strange purchase considering my first army was guard
>>98510953Best case at this point they're going to be semi-elite rather than horde with massive points increases to match their datasheets. Model counts were way too high in 10th, and GW balanced things with points reductions too often.
40k needs proper dragons in it.
>>98510988a kroot is not a proper dragon
>>98510984I swear to god if they change Guardsmen to be elite and we'll end up fielding 1 platoon...
>>98510988you just want to masturbate to it
does anyone actually play with those third party minis that have their boobs out
>>98510997my friend has some of those slutty custodes models but they aren't naked
>>98510996That's besides the point.
>>98511000>checkeddo you gawk at them?
>>98510988chaos space marines will have dragons and straight up AoS skaven will be in 40k by 2035
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>>98510786In 2006 I bought a few guard squads, a leman russ, 2 basilisks, a chimera, a couple heavy weapon teams, and a platoon command squad. I also bought a squad of seraphim, Saint Celestine, an immolator, a rhino, a canoness, and a couple sister squads. Then lastly I bought 1 land raider, 1 order malleus inquisitor, Lord Karamazov, a hodgepodge o the old inquisitorial retinue models, and a couple penitent engines. All put together they made a pretty shitty army but this was back in 4th edition so it was just sort of whatever. People thought my army was weird but it was legal under the old 4th edition ally rules in the witch hunters codex. Still got that on my shelf. I was young and my friends didn't know how to play either. It was a blast.When Assault on Black Reach came out, me and my buddy split it. That was tons of fun too.I still have all my old stuff in the old citadel foam case. I'll always have those.Now days I updated my whole army to the new plastic sisters, I got into tyranids, eldar, and marines as well to mix things up. But I actually didn't really expand the guard despite that being my first army (alongside sisters and inquisition).let me tell you, the old Karamazov was a hunk of metal. That thing is heavy.My land raider sadly was destroyed in a moving van, but everything else is intact and safe. if I ever do expand the guard army I'll break out those original guard for nostalgia.Although I did not do that for the sisters. My current paint job is actually pretty good and the old metal ones when I was a teen are pretty bad lol. So they're fine in the closet lol.Man, 20 years. It's been a blast. This is a pretty fun hobby, but I think I also just sort of got lucky since I lived near a good store with a good crowd. I moved a few years ago and there's no stores near me now, which makes me appreciate all those years where I did get to play a lot.
>>98511009>straight up AoS skaven will be in 40k by 2035Never ever.
>>98511009>chaos space marines will have dragons
>>98511025you WILL buy the £30 clanrat 40k upgrade sprue
>They release plastic kill tanks>They release a looted wagon upgrade sprue designed to be used with any 40k tank>Dread Mob detachment applies to ork tanks as wellWhy don't you hire me to write the codex James
>>98511039>>They release a looted wagon upgrade sprueI got yer upgrade sprue riiiight herehttps://www.themodelworkshop.co.uk/tools-accessories/plasticard.html
>>98511010That's just a legally distinct dinosaur.
Hypothetically: GW has black bagged you, beaten you, spat in your face, shoved you in the back of a car and taken you to Warhammer World in Nottingham. And now they are forcing you to design 40k's 12th Edition however you like. What changes to the rules, codeces, models, or anything else would you make to improve the game / make it your ideal version of the game?
>>98511065Sure, but they need to sell it to have rules for it.& the majority of ork players conversions are just glueing shitloads of guns to something and claiming it's meant to look like dogshit cos its orks
>>98511074Give it basically the same rules as current edition 30kAdd tactical statuses, line, vanguard, make scoring objectives more important that just tabling your opponent, bring back wargear with points, add prime advantages for more customisationThe main complaint about current 30k is gutting the flavour but 40k already lost that 3 editions ago.
>>98511039God I want that tank so bad.
This is the "Tanks but no Tanks" Edition. Everyone will get light vehicles of some sort or another.
>>98511074I literally just copy the current 30k rules, squat primaris and bring back the old FW range of models and Imperial Armour books as a bi-yearly thing.
>>98510093marines malevolent and the ork will be a deathskull happy he has more beakies to loot.
>>98511085what will they do to make light vehicles not awful like they are now?
>>98511074first of all I ask to go to the bathroom to rub one out real quick, then once I have achieved peace I go write an edition all about shrimplified stats, alternated actions, randomly generated gotcha stratagems and underdog mechanics, collectible decks of cards (only art, no rules on the cards), as few rolls as possible during the game (your unit shoots 30 shots? it now rolls only 5 dice and you multiply the successes by 6), and 10 overinflated codexes only, full of unified weapon profiles and unified unit profiles, including a few meant to represent converted units or units from hh stuff, cum gustoand also all scenarios have asymmetrical deployments, asymmetrical victory conditions, and asymmetrical rules for the attacker and defender
>>98510786I wanted to dip my toes in, so I got the cheapest troop box available which was pic related for $18. I might have never gotten into orks if there was a better deal.
>>98510786Box of Tactical Marines and an Army Painter set
>>98511074Take down ability to download core rules and increase codex price to $80. On the way out I sneak the Peter Jackson hobbit mini into my mouth and sell it on the black market for $180000000000000
Could knights get a kill team
>>98511074I don't want to spend a long time dreaming and coping, but I'd insert a "don't be retarded" clause about angles and line of sight, I'd bring back armour facings, change coherency to be 3 models to lessen stringing and expand the strength and toughness bands out to 20 and then actually use the full length of it.Oh, and all the codices drop at the same time and rules are free for the entire length of the edition with a MTO for updated core and codices at the end with gilt edges for a final "snapshot" of the edition.Oh and the norse stuff is mostly stripped from Votann because the Grimnyr is cringe and gay, and also the Kroot and Vespids are removed from T'au and turned into Codex:Minor Aliens along with Sslyth the other small model releases and melee battlesuits are made
>>98511074Remove firstborn all finally and throw them all into HH.Give all more factions internal variation.Make proper upgrade sprues for said different factions. For example Iron Hands and make an upgrade sprue that contains a massive amount of cybernetics.Make 1 book for marines, make the 9 first founding chapters into codex supplements that are released all at the same time as the main codex.Do the same for chaos marines, all in 1 book, but cult legions get their supplements
>>98511074throw out 100% of the scoring rules. go back to very simple score 1, score 2, score more, slay the warlord and first blood. thats it. holy hell the scoring and missions have become overcomplicated as fuck. also, i know the new terrain footprints are meant to solve a problem with vague cover, but they are ugly as fuck. jettison that too. no more footprints, instead just do a within X inches of the feature measurement, and make it close, like 1 or 2 inches tops. remove knights as an army. make knights and knight sized units like wraithknights and baneblades 1 per 1000pts. that includes armiger squads too. this limit also applies to flyers, though they share big fancy character shit that you would realistically never see more than 1 of in an army become 0-1 per army, like c'tanall weapons go down to 1 damage. full stop. wound count goes back down to something like what you see in the old world. really big shit has like 7 wounds tops. most infantry down to 1 wound, most vehicles around 3 or 4. bring back the psychic phase, casting rolls, and psychic power lores.
>>98511163*dont share that limit with knights. independent limits. idk why that got cut off lol
>>98510786The old 4th ed plastic guardians. Made a right pigs ear of them too.
>>98511163Your shits all retarded.
>>98511143>Remove firstborn all finally and throw them all into HH.Your bloodline is weak.
>>98511163>all weapons go down to 1 damage. full stop. wound count goes back down to something like what you see in the old world. really big shit has like 7 wounds tops. most infantry down to 1 wound, most vehicles around 3 or 4.This does not fucking work anymore. It barely worked in 4th and 5th but we saw that system fall to pieces in 6th and 7th. Even HH has multiple damage the scope is just scaled back so Lascannons are D2.
>>98511178Firstborn are for people who like getting fisted
>>98511131>the Kroot and Vespids are removed from T'au and turned into Codex:Minor AliensYou're a genuine mongoloid
>>98510766>Alone in his mind, Kais walked the path.>He walked the path and he fought the Mont’au devil.>He raged and he killed; he relaxed and he focused.>He went deep inside himself, and refused to come out until, one way or another, he knew which way along the path he was walking.>It wasn’t as lonely as it could be, because every time he dared to open his eyes – just to check that the real world was still there – he could look down at his one remaining hand, strapped carefully in place to the restraint pallet, and read the tiny fragment of display wafer that someone had placed there.>It was broken. Only a sliver of text remained, without context or meaning, but somehow…somehow it felt right.>It simply said: With pride.
>>98511186Primaris are for people who like boot polish on their uvula
>>98511163If you want to just play an old edition, that's very much allowed dude
>>98511163Most of this are sensible points. Only new fags, that never played a proper 40k edition, would disagree.
>>98511214Proper 40k is one where people stop playing 1/3 into it and start raping one another until a father is born.
>>98511163Pure dogshit ideas.
>>98511163>holy hell the scoring and missions have become overcomplicated as fuck.100% thisI got back into 40k with 10th and my first few games were against a dude that loved random secondary missions and I was just constantly checking the missions trying to figure out what the fuck is gonna score me the most points and got frustrated because I did NOT fucking bring a list for trying to do 5 things at onceThey want to shrimplify the game itself but load all the complexity into shit only tourneyfags care about
>>98511226Stop samefagging
>>98511209i dont want to play old editions, they're missing half the armies and units, armor facing and templates are annoying and a constant source of bickering and ummmm akschually pauses in the game, strategems have been great for the game even if they're occasionally broken. the new detachments and mixing and matching detachments are good. you can finally build all the shit on the plastic sprues you buy and give your infantry all the cool guns and sgt weapons without worrying about being points inefficient. there's plenty to like about modern warhammer. but the wound/damage arms race has gotten out of control (just look at the new ghaz, he's going to take like 60 damage worth of shots to actually kill for a foot character, and he's hardly the worst offender), the new terrain footprints are ugly and the scoring is way to complicated with buckets of seconary objectives and actions that change depending on who your facing and comparitive scoring matrices and score counts of nearing 100pts. just overcomplicates the game and removes the focus from the WAR aspect of WARhammer. aos has done this too with battle tactics making the game revolve around stupid minigames instead of the battle itself.
>>98511228>armor facing and templates are annoyingOpinion discarded
>>98511228Why are you pretending that Ghaz is equivalent to a commissar? "foot character" he's as big as a dreadnought and has dreadnought stats.
>>98511231>and has dreadnought stats.lol. no. he has the stats of a norn emissary. he's 2 wounds shy of a wraithknight.
>>98511234sorry. has dreadnought stats if the dreadnought was blessed by gork and mork*
>>98511237eh, i've seen the dreadnoughts blessed by gork and mork and uhhhh....they certainly aint no 16 wounds 2+/4++ lone op
>>98511130>kill team boxset: titanfall>loyalist knight serfs vs heretic knight serfs>scenery is pieces of a destroyed knight titan>one kill team aims to retrieve and extract the pilot to safety, the other to kill the pilot of the downed warmachine >both teams are full of zealots, technicians, heralds and banner bearers
>>98511234He has the same stats as a redemptor and characters always get extra wounds.
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>>98511246he has 30% more wounds than a redemptor and redemptors dont have 4+ inv saves
>>98511163>big fancy character shit that you would realistically never see more than 1 of in an army become 0-1 per army, like c'tanI love that they keep trying to balance a necron army having 10 c'tan in it and the answer is staring them in the face but because there's a necron cocksucker in the studio we have to continue with the farce
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>>98511131>and also the Kroot and Vespids are removed from T'au and turned into Codex:Minor Aliens along with Sslyth the other small model releases and melee battlesuits are madeMost retarded post of the year. A compelling argument for abortion during the 90th quarter of the fetus.
>>98511245Would actually be kino and get me to try kill team
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>>98511256>Captains have 50% more wounds than intercessors and intercessors don't get a 4+ invuln
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>>98511245That would be fucking good.
>>98511245I'm surprised there is so much art of Knight Fodder.
>Want to make a Dark Eldar army as I think they look cool>Will probably wait as they're likely getting an entire refresh next year due to almost all their infantry and shit being a cheaper price I'll just do World Eaters then. Got any ideas for World Eater color schemes that ISN'T white and blue?
>>98511245make the surviving pilot a hot woman
>>98511292Red and Brass.
>>98511292Brass and red.
>>98511289it's not exactly easy to portray scale without points of reference, and using enemy troops almost ends up making the piece focus on them more than the knights, as a faction
Am I blind or is there no Errata/FAQ PDF anymore? Was it baked into 40k app instead? If so, it sucks. I wanted to print myself bookmarks with errated text for the physical rulebook.
>>98511292Beige and black.
>>98511292>red skin, black armor, skull-white helmet, bare metallic trim and weapons>colorshift green armor, oxidized bronze trim and blood drenched weapons>one half of the model is painted like iron warriors (but orange stripes), the other half as orange with black trim
>>98511287Now I really want to run the stompa, Ghazgkull and 9 meganobz.
>>98511328>Naw, I'd win
>>98511328That marine has dried cum on him.
>Wanted to come up with my own color scheme for Ogors with having them live in a realm of lightning and thunder>Turns out it exists called ThunderbelliesIf I were to make a World Eaters army that is essentially multiple Doomguys, what are the odds it already exists?
>>98510786A Space Marine Tactical Sqaud in I want to say 2012
>>98510786This thing in around 2011/12? Dark Vengeance was already on sale so I assume 2012.
>>98511344very low, a khornate on reddit made a compilation of color schemes from various sources and ended up including doomguy as a non-canon one, so he definitely didn't find anything close to itthe only possibility is that there's a green color scheme in codex:khorne daemonkin, but I doubt it, the only other green world eaters come from the rogue trader era but at the time it was just random models with some green in their individual color scheme, not any statement about any subfaction
>>98511365Can't be true anons told me tactical squads never sold and that's why they MUST be squatted and replaced by intercessors.
>>98511344>>98511378Green is Death Guard territory.
>>98511228>armor facing and templates are annoying and a constant source of bickeringNewfag or spineless faggot detected, opinion discarded
>>98509594>Is there an actual gimmick to Red Corsairs, or are they just Coke Zero to CSM's Diet Coke, for lack of a better term off the top of my head? Should I even bother vs. picking a specific god's unique roster instead?lelAnyway I like raiders because you can use them to represent other renegades like Ashen Claws.GW is gay though, but the Raider armour is usable for basically that (renegades) and stuff like Alpha Legion if you don't want to go the Full Chaos Hydra route but also don't want to kitbash chaos with primaris (primaris arms are kind of long) or primaris but he's got alpha legion paint. Fills a middle niche of stolen loyalist armour.>iron warriors>red corsairs>night lordsThese are detachments of CSM, the deity legions have a few datasheets and then miss some datasheets from CSM.
>>98511178I'm sorry I don't share the same nostalgia as you do because I wasn't born at the same time as you, and that this tilts your emotional composure.
>>98511163>Baneblades are 1/1000>Ctan are 1/armyGuardfags should be lynched
>>98511245>>loyalist knight serfsGarbage.Just play guard and soup knights into your army.
I've just got back into 40k, what's the difference between 10th and 11th edition?
>>98511278>guardThis dude is literally just a guardsman in fancy armor.
>>98511391Just make them into an offshoot of berzerkers that worship both Khorne and Nurgle.
>>98511404>>98511411Ideally knight serfs would be different enough from guardsmen in both looks and equipment. simpler guns instead of imperial guard-issued lasguns, and focusing on close combat to storm buildings knights can't enter and antitank support for their knights' opponents.
>>98511227take your medication
>>98511400Your mistake is thinking the only reason to like those mechanics is nostalgia and not because they add depth and variety to the game.
>>98511420at that point, why not just make a regiment of guard that is medieval themed which you can then soup into knights? makes it so you can be a guardfag with “cities of the imperium”, or you can make /yourdudes/ knight serfs.
>>98511391nurgle doesn't own the colour green
>>98511402you're running defence for ctan spam lil bro, you should be thrown from a copter while your whore mother watches!
>>98511287>*EACH* Ghazghkull Thrakka...Did they clone him or something?? Should we be worried??
>>98511431because guard has enough shit and the moment you suggest making this stuff regiment instead of a knights' specific thing it's the moment you lose on any and all peculiar elements such as differences in equipment or in their specialists in the name of becoming standardized in the same way all other regiments aremeanwhile if you make a kill team for knight serf specifically you can get actually unique shit, AND you get the bits to convert your medieval themed guard conversions without having to pray gw for cross compatibility that they simply don't want to implement, not to mention how any inclusion of a regiment ends up spawning faggots asking for 6+ redundant kits for infantry, stormtroopers, command squad, heavy weapon squads, whatever else and heroesa knights kill team is better
>huh u want to flesh out this other faction? why the fuck would you want to do that? just sub in this other faction done.>anyway, let me tell you about my ideas for unique Salamander units
>>98510574He looks awesome anon, what's going on with his head though I don't recognise nor can I make out the piece...
what killed the general.
Mordian. Home.
>>98511437Where in my post did I say I want ctan spam to continue?I know you guardfags are retarded but I assumed you could at least read
>>98511539I did! I’ve been shitposting for years starting retarded arguments, making retarded lore statements, and buying models secondhand, so I can be different lolcows like the decalfag and edgecoc.HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>98511539normies leaving for reddit and discord, leaving behind schizos to represent a larger and larger percentage of posts
>>98511539General seems fineDecal infinitely ban evades and sometimes it gets a little shitflingy in here but overall its pretty chillIve got a game scheduled later so Im a happy camper
>>98511287Sure hope my neutron laser is S28 this edition, that way it can still be an anti-tank weapon.
>>98511074I make it so the only factions are space marines and orkz only, just make it so the rest of the factions fucked off in one way or died or became space marines (all admech are now firstborn scout-sized techmarines, imperial guard regiments are all space marines now, SoB's died because geneseed don't like women). Chaos Marines are now renegades cause chaos gods are gay and dead so all traitor legions no longer serve the chaos gods and go back to their great crusade-era colors
>>98511631Well thats pretty darn boring
>>9851140811th is kinda better
>>98511266Kill team is fun you should give it a try
>>98511074The game takes one big step right back into TTRPG territory. Competitive types get the same slop they've already been served to act as a containment zone. 1000 point games will no longer take 5 hours to work out.Realistically, you'll probably just get far more powercreep, tons of needless complexity that doesn't serve the game whatsoever, and models that you'll either really love or really hate - no inbetween.
>>98511266Don't, it's not worth it. Easily the worst specialist game in the current GW's range in second worst iteration of Kill Team in general. Literally the worst FOMO corposlop nightmare manifested.
I know its slop and it can definitely be better, but this was still fun to make.
>>98511659Whats so bad about it?
>>98511659I like the models and the game feels mostly solid but I can see where you're coming from. The powercreep is getting a little obscene to the point where it just isn't fun or engaging to play certain teams, especially with certain matchups.
>>98509682Try to tell them apart
>>98511655What do you mean by step back into ttrpg territory?Like what specifically would you do for that?
>>98511668NTA but while I do play it occassionally since it's the only thing I can get friends to play, it's way too strict. Static lists with static gear, no customization, not any real frame for narrative games. Necromunda is the same kind of skirmish game but better in basically every single way, but it requires a lot more terrain (the saving grace of KT is that starter sets come with a full board) and GW refuses to transalate the rules so I can't get anyone to play with me.
>>98511669Yeah theyve been stupid with the balance recently but balanced matches are fun
>>98511394What I'd want from CSM is effectively just renegade marines.I'm not sold on the skulls and spikes and rot and decay (and the annoying-to-paint trim and ornamentation) all over my shit, but "space marines who've had enough of the Imperium's bullshit and decided to strike out on their own as bandits/pirates/Chinese-style-warlords" does appeal to me, even if it's dumb "in lore." Corsairs just seemed like the most obvious of the CSM flavor options as a starting point for what I'm after.
>>98511668Awful powercreep with every release, releases designed to be FOMO baits that lock new Teams behind limited-edition boxes, most awful LoS and cover rules I have seen in any skirmish game, no list building causing ebery game to be a carbon copy of any other game played with the same teams, pandering to competitive players while having terribly designed rules that cause a lot of rules-lawyering, arguing at the table and simply feel-bad moments.
>>98511677TTRPG is probably not the best way of putting it, but I really liked how older rules allowed models to interact with the table and vice-versa. Yeah, that basically boils down to templates, scatter dice, facings, and such. However, there's also stuff like say, the chimera being amphibious because that's how it was designed in-lore, or how the avatar was immune to flame/melta weapons because he's pretty much living magma. I love that sort of stuff because it feels more like a simulation as opposed to what the game feels like right now where none of that shit really matters -- it feels arcadey and board-gamey.
>>98511677Not him but I want to go back to the old unit formatting. I hate the AoS style card. I hate how weapons are now card specific instead of modular. I hate that they've removed simulationist mechanics like AVs from vehicles or wrecks or template weapons. I hate that they've removed the armoury for characters. I hate that they've removed psychic disciplines and warlord traits. I hate that morale is almost nonexistant when it used to be a big part of the game.
https://youtu.be/QS9g-K4qCVA?t=84Newcrons (post-2011) are mostly gay but this line is cool. Arrogant, eternal, the younger races aren't more than an annoying blip messing with their stuff.
>>98511680There are some options but I could understand wanting more
Are Black Templar players the "chuds" or are the Kriegers the "chuds"?
>>98511685The LoS and cover rules arent that bad are they?I thought LoS was literally just a laser from your models head to your opponents models, like that seems pretty simple
>>98511245This would be kino as fuck and would save GW money because they'd only have to make about 16 models with two upgrade sprues- one with spikes and one without spikes. Saving them money, and allowing them to charge you a low low price of 175 dollars.But I think it's a mistake to assume GW would put terrain in a non-"big yearly" box, instead they'll include a helpful online pdf about buying a knight and using it for terrain+the basis of a knights army.Similar to how the Exodite Waystones are mentioned in pretty much every one of their 21 missions in the dossier but they tell you "lol, go make them yourself or something idk" and then shill you more beast snaggas like the beast snagga boss to "up the difficulty with more npos" or the Orc watchtower from age of sigmar.
>>98511701NTA but as far as I recall, you have to be able to draw a line from your model's base to both sides of an opposing model's base to be considered in full LoS without cover/obscuring. The base is the only thing that matters as far as I've been told.
>>98511686Yeah that makes sense
>>98511701>The LoS and cover rules arent that bad are they?They are weird at first and are worded confusingly but once you understand them they are pretty straightforward. Funnily enough when KT2021 came out someone made a video explaining it using Gears of War covers and it clicked instantly.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NVrEYFtZE9c
>>98511691When people even say "newcrons" what are they even saying? The necrons have been space egyptians for a long while now. The only time that they weren't were probably with the early days of Rogue trader right?
>>98511431Because people want bondsmen who are men at arms in spaceWhy do people come to the 40k thread and go "ummm sweaty you can just hobby yourself some bretonnians+guardsmen" because I want to buy a box made specifically for that purpose. Not spend 40 dollars on Etsy 3d prints, not buy a printer and make my own, not buy bits and kitbash my own. I want a team specifically for my interest that is made similar to the art instead of a crude approximation with whatever is on hand.
>>98511707Yeah, also things like the models having characteristics that play into certain things. Even vehicle crews are typically statted to the baseline of the faction they belong to like space marine vehicles having space marine LD values. I feel like that can make other factions easier to understand too because you know what to expect versus modern 40k where stats can vary wildly between units that look very similar.
IF they release nobz as a kill team, doesn't that mean kill team players and 40k players are going to have to fight over the supply of nobz? I think kill team should definitely have its own models but those models shouldn't necessarily be must haves in 40k. Because the people playing the smaller game(kill team in this case) get absolutely fucked supply wise.
>>98511705I dont think thats accurateI think you pick a point on your model and draw a line to the opposing modelIf you can see them they are in LoSBut if there is intervening terrain it counts as cover/obscuring depending
>>98511456>meanwhile if you make a kill team for knight serf specifically you can get actually unique shit, AND you get the bits to convert your medieval themed guard conversions without having to pray gw for cross compatibility that they simply don't want to implement, not to mention how any inclusion of a regiment ends up spawning faggots asking for 6+ redundant kits for infantry, stormtroopers, command squad, heavy weapon squads, whatever else and heroesGW should really just bite the bullet and dump out a dozen upgrade sprues like they have for csm and sm, it's really "not a whole lot" to make the guardfags stop and eventually you'll grind them down so the only people left wanting are fans of -super niche regiment mentioned here of guys with vaguely aztec names in 2nd edition that never got art of models- and then you've finally quashed the guardoid rebellion.
>>98511720I think you just explained it way better than me, but I was imagining the same thing in my head. Yeah, you can pick the point on your model to determine LoS.
>>98511701I will never not find pic related funny. I'm so happy that an anon posted it here a few months ago. Now whenever I'm about to fold and join the local cut-throat Kill Team golems, I simply look at this picture and remind myself why I'm better with playing SW:A and OPR with friends. KT21 being an absolute disaster of a game helps as well.
>>98511720I think thats what anon said he just worded it differently
>>98511289The knights are misnomered, knights are literally lords and dukes and kings of feudal worlds and logically they should have serfs with power maces going out and getting blown up by enemy mines to make room for their lord to safely dunk on the enemy.
>>98511721Hell so many factions should get this. I want skitarii to have alternate weapon arms, heads, backpacks, and other baubles. Sure I can mix-and-match parts which is great but I still want it. Where'ss my dome headed mad scientist freaks?
>>98511721To do that they would have had to design the kits with upgrades in mind which they didn't.
>>98511729>>98511732Ah mb lol
>>98511714Not the guy you responded to. However, I get what you want but honestly, GW isn't going to print shit like this because its super niche. For example, I want THICKER necrons. A box of regular necron infantry like immortals costs similar to a box regular space marine infantry but space marines have something like 20-25 percent more plastic in / on their models. Necrons are anorexic and emaciated models and its fucking ass to put some of them together because of that. I want plastic parity but GW will never do that. You and I are in the same boat. Both want niche things that GW will never do .
>>98511731Picture perfect example to counter the idea that templates, facings, and scatter dice are too complicated.
>>98511711>for a whileYesSince 2011>image of pseudo-egyptian guy from 1994The thing is that the chaos androids and 1990s stuff is completely different when necrons were white dwarf supplements of mysterious robots attacking imperial installations, they had limited lore and were just a mysterious bad guy.The explicit dynasties and shit is 2011.Unless you want to say 'crons are tomb kigs if they lost to nagash and were enslaved as mindless dead.
>>98511717>kill team players and 40k players are going to have to fight over the supply of nobz.the 12 people who actually play kill team must be really heart broken to hear that.
>>98511731damn! if only that massive 32mm base wasn’t in the way, the ork would be able to walk up and shoot the beakie!
>>98511748kill team is actually the superior game. Playing full scale 40k always seemed retarded to me. So not only do you have to paint all these models, you need to store all these models, TRANSPORT all these models, and keep track of all these models etc. Full scale just doesn't seem worth it for the fun generated. Kill team lets you get really granular with your models too. Full scale 40k just seems like ass by comparison. It sounds like the ruleset in 40k is considered to be dog shit too. Am I wrong?
>>98511731Its not really that hard to understand redditors are just retardedI also have always thought it was weird when stupid shit like this happens that people cant just make up and agree on something reasonable up instead of scrolling through a book for 20 minutes looking for an official solution
>>98511683desu you could get real autistic and buy cheaper HH models that are lacking the eagles or the chaos baubles and call them your renegades with Mk3 armour that have been pirating the edges of the imperium/alien space for thousands of years.
>>98511770I think it is because both players don't want to seem like they are trying to cheat the other. This is easier to do with friends but if its two randos playing against each other, I can see how taking whatever the book says could probably be best.
>>98511733>serfs with power maces going out and getting blown up by enemy mines to make room for their lord to safely dunk on the enemy.when you put it like that, its pretty much just the same thing for orks when a mekboss with a big stompa sends grots out to “clear” minefields
>>98511779These games are meant to be played with friends imhoPlaying with randoms sounds like it has serious potential to be extremely fucking miserableYou’re just rolling the dice on whether or not you get to deal with a huge faggot for hours
>>98511736Just gaslight them into thinking they're not HOBBYING enough and shame them for being sloppers if they don't want to cut bits here and there and glue other stuff on to make it work and wallah.
>>98511744Who the fuck thinks that? "Put plate on top of target, roll scatter, oh its 1" to the left."I miss my flamer templates
>>98511763Every edition of 40k has had its flaws10th was miserable so it caught alot of shit11th is a small step in the right directionI like both personallyKT is definitely shorter and it sounds like its probably the better of the two for what you’re after
>>98511741>GW isn't going to print shit like this because its super nicheI believe GW in the future will specifically make Bondsmen because knights as an army 'don't work' just as superheavies. It's like how Titanicus as an army would only work if you also included the Secutarii infantry that serve under the princeps. Superheavy focused armies are cool but lacking infantry gimps them.
>>98511717>>98511748Nobs should have been the other team in the Exodite box anyway GW is faggots for doing this NPO shit.
>>98511731We’re pretending 40k doesn’t have shitloads of rules lawyering now?This is baby shit by comparison
>>98511790I've had people argue and bitch until they were blue in the face over whether his guy is under a template or not. I miss them too, but people can be ridiculous like that. They just aren't worth placing with. Also had people who would position their guys from deepstrike in such a way where they avoid mishap even though it was blatantly against the rules. Ever seen a grown man throw an actual tantrum in the middle of a store with customers all over?
>>98511803No lol thats a level of cringe I hope to someday experience though
>>98511794>KT is definitely shorterThe games can be longer than a 40k game in my experience.
>>98511806Here's a taste of it:>Tau player deepstrikes his drones>Central model is right on the corner of my basilisk>Rules say you have to make a circle around them and if they can't, it's a mishap>Makes a pacman shape around my basilisk>Tell him he can't do that>Starts yelling and stomping his feet, hands balled up into fists, saying that I'm a 'cheating snake'>Picks up his models and just hangs around the store loudly complaining to other players that I'm a cheaterSame guy also lost too many times with his old, metal SoB army so he opened his giant tupperware container one day and said 'take whatever you want I'm done with them'. Got my karskin back.
>>98511810A KT game where both players don't know their rules well can take longer than a 40k game where both players do, yes. But let's not pretend people can't stretch a 40k game out to like 5+ hours when they're shooting the shit or still learning
>>98511810Both can be long or short depending on the expertise of both playersKT is generally quicker thoughSometimes both sides only have 5-6 models to deal withTwo people playing horde teams taking slow turns can take a long time though
>>98509555Obviously the black templars. They're like 40k itself distilled to it's purest representation in faction form.
>>98511816Lmfao nice
>>98509779the knights are cool but it's kinda lame how the whole army had like 5 units of which you're only allowed to use 3. i understand the practical reasons but that sucks, and no, having a bigger army of smaller models doesn't make up for it
space wolf terminator heads would be very good bits for white scar terminators
>>98511833nothing space wolf related is really good for anything tbqh
>>98509921how come they don't emphasize that aspect instead of how hairy their men are and how many dogs they touch?
>>98510786This was mine, remember when the combat patrol equivalent still cost less than a hundred bucks?
>>98511778>cheaper HH modelsAre they? Every HH model I see is $20-30 more expensive than it's 40k counterpart, both from GW and third party retailers.Running HH models would let me have all beak helmets on /mydudes/ at the very least, it's a tempting thought.>>98511803I lost a friend to this recently>me playing SoB, him playing Salamanders in a "casual" game at my houseBy "casual" I mean "I brought units I had already, and he went out and bought a tourney-winning roster he copied off of reddit to 'see how it plays.'">tries to deepstrike his assault terminators into a tiny triangular spot in my backline where my units have moved forward>I point out that he can't fit his whole squad (with math on the area of the triangle), he ignores me and INSISTS he can make them fit>spends 5 minutes trying to fit them after that, catch him nudging one of my models when I'm coming back from the bathroom from the wait>say "okay, if you're going to cheat, I'm not going to play against you" and he leaves in a huff shortly after>calls me a narcissist in a text message the next dayI haven't heard from him since.
>>98510195pretty good. it doesn't have any of them fancy reflection effects that'd get you a golden demon, but it's a clean paintjob that makes every piece stand out
>>98511841They're pretty neat if you remove all the wolf shit.
>>98510786This bullshit. My buddy who got in the same day bought the necrons box and wiped the floor with me every time we played that matchup after we bought enough to get to around 1200 points each. I quit drukhari and I just went deathguard instead when I found the DG half of the Dark Imperium box at a local store for $65, and I still play them today. Still waiting on an answer to >>98509948
>>98511857Thats funny lmao>>98511885Yeah thats alot better
>>98510707the voice of experience
>>98511816A hobby made for men to indulge their childish side is often mistaken by man-children as something made to indulge them. It's basically DarkShikari's folly of satire.
>>98511857>Are they? Every HH model I see is $20-30 more expensive than it's 40k counterpart, both from GW and third party retailers.I feel like I see a lot of these and 10 dudes for 32 feels like a steam when you see GW asking for 65 for 5. 65 for 10 already feels like a ripoff.
>>98511847I bought this in 2024 for about 100 bucks to give to my brother.
>>98509948is this cosplay, AI or a sex doll posed like a woman in cosplay? drukhari cosplay is best since they all dress like sluts
>>98510658i'm no loreior by any stretch, but my perception is the raven guard are generally as cooperative with their successors as they are any other chapter. perhaps it's because heir stocks offset the somewhat historically low raven guard numbers, perhaps it's their tendency towards independent tactics and strategic flexibility, but they treat most chapters as worthy allies as long as they are loyal, codex compliant or no
>>98511857In my case the guy opened his container to the whole store and all the 40k players just descended like vultures and picked it clean, not even a single cherub was left behind.
>>98509572Morning, gen/tg/lemen. Any news of the Fusion Blades yet?
>>98511908Pohotoshopped/AI enhanced cosplay hoe
>>98511910Good lol fuck himA single moment of frustration and I bet he regretted that shit later
>>98511857>Every HH model I see is $20-30 more expensive than it's 40k counterpartIf we're talking about the squads you get a total of 20 tacticals per box. I have 40 of the fuckers thanks to an impulse-buy.
>>98510779>both knights are fully armored save their gross ass hairy legs around a chainmail thongyou know this artist's fucking priorities
>>98511902>>98511922I missed that when I first saw them, you get 20 dudes for $90 instead of 10 for $60, and that's GW's official prices. HH models are absolutely cheaper.Vehicles are even slightly cheaper (sans the Land Raider, it's the same cost). The 40k Predator is $80 at GW, $78 for the HH one.
>>98510786i bought dawn of war on steam. i wanted to buy >>98510844 too but owlcat started adopting ai so i didn't
>>98511803Retards will always find something to bitch about. They are not worth playing against, much less to write the rules for.
>>98511071dinosaurs don't need to be legally distinct, they're animals. you can just make shit up
>>98511932>Caring about aiGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
>>98511931The tricky part is that unless you either want a gorillion boltgun-toting intercessors you also have to drop cash on the upgrade boxes. Want hellblasters? Pick up the heavy weapons upgrade set. It has 10 plasma cannons and 20 other weapons that you can't easily use for converting.
>>98511826the black templars are over fellated flanderized killmonkeys and it's lunacy they were ever considered otherwise
>>98511932Dawn of war is cool its just so inferior to sc2 its kind of brutal honestlyThe only thing going for it is the 40k theme>>98511950I respect refusing to invest in a shittier future I just dont hold myself to such a standard
>>98511770>I also have always thought it was weird when stupid shit like this happens that people cant just make up and agree on something reasonable up instead of scrolling through a book for 20 minutes looking for an official solutionIf company provides a massively overpriced product and claims it's done well and suited for competitive play, you should expect it to be such rather than trying to fix mistakes made by multi-billion company. If you have to houserule GW's shit you may as well play a better 3rd party game that is well written in the first place.
>>98511971The other HH heavy weapon set has autocannons and lascannons, which are very useful for Legionaries and Havoc marines.I'd be buying piecemeal from ebay for those though, fuck giving GW $50 for 1/3 of a box to have weapon options
>>98511885>Space wolves are neat when they have 0 wolf stuff and they are ice blue ultramarines Gabriel Seth was right
>>98511993I wish loyalists could use autocannons. Fuck I wish they weren't gonna squat devastators.
>>98510786Man I remember how excited I was when I got pic related. Shit felt so expensive and overwhelming back then compared with my other hobbies, it was the first time in my life I had a sprue in my hands.>>98511847I remember buying Start Collecting boxes for 50 eurobucks in 2020. Inflation is not real but greedflation most certainly is.
>>98512008Wrong picture, kek.
>>98511990Nah its pretty normalIt was the same shit with DnD and lots of other card/board gamesSometimes some shit comes up that you don’t remember reading about in the rulesIf it’s a simple game that might not happen but for any game with any complexity, sometimes shit like that happensIn such situations the most frictionless thing to do is to just come up with something reasonable that both players agree on and just move forward
>>98512008>Man I remember how excited I was when I got pic related. its going to be really funny to see what army the average /tv/ poster plays.
>>98512008WRONG IMAGE ALERT! WRONG IMAGE ALERT! HE POSTED THE WRONG IMAGE! HE'S RETARDED! HE'S FELTED!
>>98512027I have never been at that board in my live. /co/ on the other hand...
>>98512027>/tv/ posters, >having productive hobbies. Think before you speak man.
>>98512032extremely off topic, but is kino casino worth watching? mikeynohmore (RIP) used to bring them up all the time, and I could use background noise while painting.
>>98512036>40k>productive hobbyanon…
>>98512052They're my favorite background noise for painting, personally. Very entertaining if you like internet lolcow drama bullshit.
>>98512052The fat guy is really funny actuallyThe other guy is a waterhead but he’s tolerableI dont fucj with internet drama but sometimes I catch some of their shit on my peripheryAlso the Imperium is based
>>98511841Why is that?
>>98511327>Corroded brass for KhornatesNTA but that's fucking kino. Fits the theme yet different
>>98511378>The Zenimax-Bethesda Doom Slayers(TM)I want to fucking puke
>>98512087
>>98511420I'd want them to be even weaker than Guard. And use melee weapons. And basically focus on being OC and tarpits
One day......one day.....
>>98512072Take any space marine chapter, and imagine that everything in their lore has a coin-toss chance of having the chapter's noun or adjective of choice showing up as a prefix for any given thing. Now apply that logic to their aesthetic and plastic.Also because they're basically frat boys they have more latent homoeroticism than Dark Angels, whose primarch's and chapter's names are references to a gay poet and the poem he wrote about being gay, respectively.
Current progress on a base for Typhus. Thoughts?
>>98512097I literally can’t see anything here
>>98512106you say something like that again and you’re gonna end up at the business end of my wolf-blaster
>>98511245>Norman Casque but spacifiedThat's fucking sick
>>98512106The ugliest and gayest part of the space wolves really is their players>>98512113Post models?
>>98512113yeah, I think he’s forgetting that you can literally just remove all the gay wolf shit, so you have the non wolf parts on a better chapter like >>98511833 and >>98511885 suggested. if I ever actually become a marinefag, I would buy all those claws and hunters to make marines malevolent with mixed mark armor.
Me and my friend only finished three turns in four hours todayIt was a 1k point game
>>98512149Yeah that happens sometimesEspecially for newer players but sometimes it can happen to experienced players too dependingPlus alot of time setting up sometimesThats just how it goesMy buddies will frequently not finish games just because it gets late, we spend alot of time just shooting the shit
>>98512134You first
>>98512140>you can literally just remove all the gay wolf shitTheir is nothing inherently gay about wolf bits, you're just a hypertard obsessed with the superior chapter.
>>98512157Still ban evading?
>>98512156We're really new and only just started using the mission cards. Detachments, faction rules and stratagems are still beyond us
>>98512163nta but theyre super gay dude
just give shit less weapons, there are too many with 3+ shooting profiles that are resolving separatly (or you could use differently colored dice but its wonky when splitfiring). Now they are starting to give everything extra attacks in melee so your allrounder doesn't have to think which weapon to use
Holy shit were imperial agent armies always this expensive?
>>98512170Then yeah its not surprising at allYou’re still familiarizing yourself with the rules and shit so each step takes longer since you have to think alot more or possibly stop to check rules and stuffAs time goes on stuff will become alot more automatic and you can start slowly adding in strategems and shit as you feel more comfortable
>>98512108put some nurgle rot in that crack
>>98512172My personal bugbear is that all the newer main tanks have too much incidental shooting from secondary turret weapons and missiles and sponsons that matter just often enough you need to go through the trouble of firing everything every single shooting phase.
>>98512113I'll do you one better and post my collage WIP. Your turn.
>>98511950suck a computer's cock is gay, only you can feel it
>>98512157are you the decalfag? because I’ll happily post models, but you’re not him I’ll post my regular models, and if you are then you know exactly what I’m going to post.
>>98512194Why are you trying to sniff out this namefag drama? Stop shitting on chapters you clearly know nothing about and stay in your lane.
>>98512163>hypertard obsessed with the superior chapter.but marines malevolent don’t have wolf bits?
>>98512199Your chapter is just gay dude chill out
>>98512199I’ve personally painted space wolves, so I think I know a lot more than you do about them.
>>98512149My first 1k game took 6.
>>98512185The repex has a "defensive array" that consolidated a few of its original guns and that thing still has 7 different profiles to roll, 4 of them AP0 D1. It's dumb.
Uh oh, looks like someone's having a little wolf-out!
>>98512221"Save me Waifur! The pack is rebelling against their Primary Alpha!"
>>98512190Curious that decalfag ignored my request after being so fussy and demanding with his.
>>98512218Sicarans are what repulsors should have been. This is just the RepEx but cool.
>>98512238
>>98512219what’s really mentally ill is posting so predictably and constantly I’m able to make a count of it. what’s doubly mentally ill is also still posting here knowing the “mentally ill” are going to keep bullying you for being a retard. where are those hellblasters you promised btw?
Hello everyone, space wolves are gay
>>98512245Hello anon, I agree.
I think I'm addicted now, I started with armageddon marines now I really want to buy a cheap ork half
>>98512243Kino.
I like 40k
>Tactical rockGeneric, ugly, ruins models>Tactical space wolves corpseMakes models imposing, diverse in ways to paint/build it, pretty
>>98512243What ever happened to the anon with the post-it notes?
I think people would actually like ultramarines a lot if they were less used as posterboys and just as another chapter.
>>98512190why is he shitting razor wire? is he an imperial fist?
>>98512007>guard get autocannons in HWS and on a bunch of vehicles (Hippogriff, Taurox, Sentinels, etc)>loyalist marines don't use them for some reasonJames and his infinite wisdom"Gun but big" is cool, make more of these
>>98512271No space on devastator sprue so now the option is gone forever.
>>98512258People also like ultramarines a lot despite them being overrepresented.Blue and gold is a good scheme.Even though I believe crimson fists are better posterboys.
>>98512275If there was space in the havocs sprue there could be in the devastator sprue. But they are killing devastators anyways.
>>98512275Who even uses heavy bolters, just swap the part out
>>98512257I am he. I threw them away because I figured if he came back after a month he’d be changed and actually take an effort to not be a narcissistic lolcow. those anons who called me naive were vindicated for sure. I’ve decided to start it back up, and am now doing it in a notebook so its easier to see the tallies.
>>98512290Lol nice
>>98512258In the grand scheme of things, Ultramarines are the most bland of the "Big" marine chapters in terms of theming and aesthetics>Blood Angels - Sanguinary Guard and stuff for being gaudy vampires, Death Company for being edgy vampires>Dark Angels - Arthurian knight aesthetic with robes and shit>Black Templars - Similar knight aesthetic but taken down the Crusader path >Space Wolves - wolf pelts and dog knots and wolf shit all over>Grey Knights - another "knight" themed group but with actual knight armor theming>Salamanders - Marines but flamers and black>White Scars - Marines but bikes and asian>Raven Guard - Marines but sneaky and emo>Imperial Fists - Marines but tanky and autistic>Iron Hands - Marines but machine and blandEven Crimson Fists do a better job at being blue marines than Ultramarines. The only thing Ultras have going for them is the greco-roman aesthetic, and that's only recently become a prominent thing with them as they've gotten more faction specific models.
How is everyone’s collage submissions coming along?
>>98512284Devastators have grav cannons, multi meltas, and plasma cannons, which havocs don't have. They also have more sergeant options on the sprue. It's actually surprising how much space is wasted on the havoc sprue. They have less weapon options despite having the chainguns and auto cannons.
>>98512236is that not just a horus heresy vindicator? or maybe gladiator lancer equivalent? pretty sure it's smaller than an impulsor let alone a repulsor and doesn't have transport capacity.it's an okay looking tank, though.
>>98512311Pretty good anonIf I wasn’t allowed onto the collage for whatever reason like being a fucked up freak or something I would be pretty upset about itThank goodness thats not the case haha
>>98512317Nah vindicators exist as is in 30k, though there's the laser destroyer variant which is cool. Sicarans are a battle tank chassis that sits between the rhino and land raider chassis. They carry bigger weapons though a lot more limited. They are more expensive but faster though have no transport capacity.
>marine players complaining that they have too many guns and it takes too long to roll them all, meanwhile many faction's main shooty tank like the fire prism and the castigator have one gun with only a couple shots and would be estatic to have something like the primaris tanks>the other day a marine player said "it's not actually that many" when someone asked why marines have 23 detachments plus the codex supplement ones>marines players bitch about primaris vs firstborn when there are some factions that waited patiently for their first and only refresh sometimes up to a decadeLet's have a little perspective
>>98512314>They also have more sergeant options on the sprue.Don't really get why they have so much shit for the sergeant that you'll never use. The sergeants should just get another heavy weapon like in 30k.
>>98512339>and would be estatic to have something like the primaris tanksWould they? All the random guns on repulsors are pretty worthless. I'd gladly take a small points discount in exchange for losing those shots.
>>98512311I'm probably gonna get around to priming today if nothing else pops up.
>>98512243Continuing to ask about hellblasters constitutes federal harassment. Enjoy prison stalker child.
>>98512343Dude it's nuts I was comparing the kit out of curiosity, the sergeant gets 3 kinds of pistols, storm bolter, regular bolter, all types of combi-bolter, all possible melee weapons (all 6 of em) and the option for a pointing bionic arm. Oh and devastators not only have more heavy weapon options, but a cherub. The havoc kit is honestly insanely mogged by this ancient fucking kit. Look how much space is here, and then go look at how clustered the devastators are.
>>98512357It is pretty dumb. At thsi point I think this kinda unit should just get 2 kits with the weapons split between them so that each kit can build a squad with a full loadout. Wouldn't really change much for GW if they are smart with the sprues as the body sprue could be the same in both and the weapon sprues duplicated for a total of just 3 sprues.
>>98511497I wanted to make it look like an enlarged Astartes head because despite being TS I'm not big on the bird head daemon prince look. So I took the normal demon head that had a helmet, carved it up, added a grill from an armiger for the front helmet vent, and then just added some TS back pieces to decorate the helmet. I added the wavy sorcerer tassels, the sorcerer chest piece to the center, and changed his axe to a staff.>>98511841They make good scenery for my bases.
>>98512339Anon I am completely serious when I say that I'd rather marines get ignored for 2 decades than getting primaris.
I hope Sisters get a new tank or something this edition.
>>98512311got everything assembled now I just have to prime it. also put the little diorama together to make sure everything looks right.
>>98512377why?
>>98512383Castigator is boring.
>>98512339Sisters have exactly 1 of each>actual tank (with 2 main gun options, neither are good against other vehicles)>transport (it's just a rhino)>artillery vehicle (it has very little range so it doesn't get much out of indirect fire)>transport/tank hybrid (actually really good and has a unique rule that counters its half capacity limitation)Expanding the SoB roster (more anti-tank options especially) would greatly help the faction, but then it'd open up to being "SMs but women" or "guard but overtly religious" for complaints, so I don't know how it could reasonably be done to still retain the faction identity.>>98512366Anon, the Leman Russ comes with 2 top half sprues in the same box because they combined the two old kits into one. You're left over with 1/2 a tank every time you buy one, and your only way to fix that is to buy a duplicate of the track sprue from ebay or printing the equivalent of that.GW would rather you buy 2 of the bigger box than sell 2 smaller boxes of what you actually want.>>98512377Something like a HH Cerberus would do wonders for Sisters. Replace the HH unique weapon with a bespoke anti-armor gun (or just duplicate the one from the Gladiator Lancer for it) and boom you're done.
>>98512393But the leman russ comes with every single option. The issue with havocs/devastators/retributors is that they only come with 2 of each gun because they can't fit all of them. If they split the weapons into two sprues there's space for another 2 of every gun.
>>98512311Out of town for a few days, but I got a good chunk of it done before I left.
>>98512377if the plan was to retire all marinelets tanks I could have seen the sisters inheriting the land raiderbut it seems like the plan is to expand the marine car park with the old stuff once again
>>98512339I hold my tongue most times but it annoys me immensely to hear the white scars player at my LGS constantly bemoaning "his faction" being neglected while I am running Grey Knights and DEldar models across the table. Like, I get it. I do. It sucks their playstyle is not especially catered to. But I of all people do not need to hear about it. A little humility might be nice.
Why can't they make drop pods viable? They updated the kit and still nobody will buy it because the rules haven't been good in over a decade.
>>98512290Lol based grudge keeper.
>>98512396The point wasn't to say it already has the options, it was to show the wasted potential. GW doesn't care about wasted potential on their current kits, they want you to buy another one.>>98512402If SoB get access to the Land Raider it is genuinely over for me playing anything but SistersI love the Land Raider, it gives you everything you could want for a vehicle.
>>98512408The difference is that both GK and DE will get huge quality refreshes and white scars are still never gonna get anything.
>>98512402>but it seems like the plan is to expand the marine car park with the old stuff once againI think that's the only reasonable way they have left to expand marines with new releases at this point besides random character models in different armor marks. They made another fucking drop pod, for heavens' sake.
>>98510989>kroot is not a proper dragon>he didn't know
>>98512414Considering he’s still coming in here stirring shit despite being perma’d I would say any grudge is fully justifiedPlus space wolves are just fucking gay lol
>>98512417>, they want you to buy another one.They also generally want the kits to be usable out of the box, often to the detriment of the rules.
>>98512290Lmao, based
>>98512419They could release a fucking tactical squad already.
>>98512424Don't complain about devastators not letting you take 4 of the same gun out of the box or else they'll remember devastators exist and just limit you to taking 2 of each in the squad.
>>98512433They aren't gonna limit devastators, they are gonna delete them with the codex, replaced with retarded gravis "equivalents". I've lost all hope already.
>>98512424>usable out of the box, often to the detriment of the rulesYea...Regular Battle Sisters can bring a multi-melta, there isn't one in the box at all. You can make one by taking the heavy flamer, chopping off its barrels, cutting barrels off of 2 of the meltas in the box (it can be built into Dominions instead who can bring 4 special weapons and no heavy), and attaching those melta barrels to the heavy flamer. Or you cannibalize a Retributor squad box for it.
My wishlist:1. Bikes. You can make them churchy and ostentatious to fit the aesthetic, and they would fill a gap in the sob roaster which is a non-vehicle non-jump infantry that moves fast.2. A weapon, anywhere on anything, that is higher than s10. The castigator main cannon is s10 and the penitent buzzsaw is melee s10. That's it. Everything else is s8 melta with 12 or 18 inch range. Just give the book anything higher than s10. Make a living saint that shoots a fire bolt, make a third castigator main weapon option that is a "melta lance" or something silly that fits in the theme of no lascannons. Lots of people don't get how bad it feels to live in a world of vehicle skew armies and literally not even be able to field s11 or above, and if you want s10 there's only 1 ranged option.3. More detachments. It's wild looking at marine's 23 options when sob have literally one option for Purge and it's penitent which requires specific models not everyone collects, or only one option for Recon and it's a 1dp one that only cares about certain units, etc. Several factions are hurting for detachment options and it's totally unnecessary, they can just write more at any time if they want.4. A way to get more Leadership 5. It's crazy that every single generic chaplain comes with LD5 by default, while the deeply fanatical zealot army who WANT to die in battle can't field LD5 at all without taking the Orators detachment combined with specifically some named characters and dogmatas. It's crazy that Canoness and Palanrines are LD7 and even Vahl is 6. Meanwhile marines can just slap any generic chaplain in a unit for ld5, who is of course t4 with a good weapon and other special rules on top of that, for a similar cost too lmao or cheaper than the characters.5. Vahl isn't mandatory anymore. No codex should have this kind of situation where there's only one actually good unit and you see it in almost 100% of lists, it's just lame. Make Freye or someone else as good so you choose
>>98512418I know that. I've been in this hobby long enough to recognize the patterns and I'm generally content with the models I do have (most of my gripes are with rules and legends units). It's just silly to pretend like every new marine release isn't something usable for his army just because he likes the bike aspect of white scars. Like he has brand new van vets and a speeder he just painted up. The choice to treat white scars as being all about bikes is purely his prerogative, but that doesn't mean that's ALL his faction is. It would be like me complaining DE never get anything from GW because they updated the whole Kabal range and I like to play Covens.
>>98512412the fundamental problem is it's a big model that does something a bunch of units can already do for free. first turn deep strike isn't that useful given how cramped boards are, and infiltrators exist. terminators, jump intercessors and reivers can all deep strike for free, and the latter doesn't cost much more than a pod. even the drop pod detachment ended up making them less useful as it let you apply deep strike to literally anything. bonuses to disembarking a pod would have to be huge to matter at all.
>>98512412alpha strikes make the game unfunthe more viable drop pods get the more people spam them, and the more that happens the more people whine about the price of having to get multiple of them for their entire army to stay in the metaone solution would be to make their point cost rise exponentially the more people want to use them, but at that point you might as well put a hard cap of 2 pods per a certain amount of points, but then people would whine about the fact that their dream of a marine army fully deployed via pods isn't availableeven though alpha strikes are unfun and they don't want to pay for that many drop podsthe solution is making one specific detachment that gives you 2 pods for free per 1k points, and the rest of the army is "deployed via drop pods", but only on paper, while in practice they deploy from any battlefield edge, since tables are so small now
>>98512442>Nothing higher than s10You forgot the paragon war maces that are s12. That's your one single allowed s10+ option.
>>98512420Are you saying that greater demons of khorne are dragons?
>>98512447>ut then people would whine about the fact that their dream of a marine army fully deployed via pods isn't availableIT hasn't been since 8th because the rules don't let you put more than half of your army in reserves. I just want to be able to use more than 1 and right now even 1 is trolling.
>>98512433Every day I hope and pray that GW never remembers Scourges only come with one of each heavy weapon in their box. Dark Lance Scourges are the only thing propping up my army.
So ADmech/knights might not get their codex until 2028 huh. I wonder what that bodes for the rest of factions without an 11th edition codex. I wonder if they'll make 11th longer than 3 years as well. Would be interesting.
I miss wargear and relics and warlord traits. Enhancements suck.
>>98512393Could go for maybe a dolled up Vindicator with a big Imperial Eagle plow and some flamer sponsons.
>>98512473I miss my smashfucker captain...
>>98512458Scourge firearms>1 shot 24" s10 ap-2 Dd3+2 [Blast 1]
>>98512472>I wonder if they'll make 11th longer than 3 years as well.they won't, gw has stuck to this 3-years cycle so consistently for so long now that it MUST be a very profitable thing, so they won't change it.
>>98512472Where's the AdMech/Knights codex together thing coming from? Is it just because the leaked Sprue looks like AdMech weapons for some kind of Knight of the Cog thing?
>>98512473I miss my eliminator special bullet rules.
>>98512484I fucking hate how common it's becoming to merge weapons. They are stripping the identity from every single gun.
>>98512488I think the 3-year cycle is necessary because they run into production bottlenecks unless they highlight and focus on a single faction every couple of months and push sales heavily around that set of items. It makes fans of each faction save their money for one big blowout spending session every 3 years and increases codex and model sales together because when people buy one they usually buy the other.
>>98512488I'm pretty sure 3 year cycles are no longer possible now that they've added 30k and TOW to the mainline game rotation.
We miss all these things but the old edition still exist and you can still play them. So /40kg/ what's YOUR favorite edition? Why is it the best?
>>98512484>Can't shoot from outside of overwatch range on a T3 1W body platform Instantly useless
>>98512499they can have one year for 40k, one year for aos, and then one year for both tow and hhit's not like the latter two get the same treatment anyway, their (re)launch products are a smaller endeavour
>>985125013rd/4th.
>>98512493I pretended their anti-cover bullets were tiny drills lmao
>>98512496>not me having over $1000 stashed away exclusively for the Grey Knights refreshanyway...
>>98512493It's crazy that something introduced so recently that had such a minor rules load and didn't even require modelling had to be taken away for simplicity too. They're really chasing the lowest common denominator with rules now.
>>98512493>take away all their versatility and make bolt snipers dedicated anti character guns with no unique rules to help them actually kill characters >this was done in the same edition where characters were very hard to killUnironically what the fuck were they thinking?
>>98512299They are bland because they're the posterboys so you have to keep them basic. If they were "just" another first founding chapter maybe we'd see them lean more onto their roman aesthetics the same way DA and SW do with their own aesthetics.
I was just looking through necron rules and they got rid of deathmarks cool reactive deep strike and shoot ability, what the hell?
>>98512493>>98512510>>98512513My schizo theory is that eliminators were intentionally fucked over to sell the scout killteam set.
The eliminators is what I bought first since I thought sniper rifles are cool
>>98512543People will say that GW does not use rules to sell models and while I don't think they do it on purpose nearly as often as people attribute to them, they definitely have in the past and we have some confirmed examples. Like when the rules designers were told to leave the wraithknight as a monster instead of a vehicle on release because it would sell better that way.It's also probably not a coincidence that every 500 worlds/Maelstrom/etc release had crazy pushed rules that fucked the balance of 10th for each new model drop, though most of those got patched quickly.
>>98512543Scouts should have 1 wound and no free teleport back to reserves ability.
So after basic Space Marines all go to T5, what all weapons in your army are going to need to get their stats inflated to keep up?
>>98512563My reasoning is that the special round rules essentially gave you a a three man scout team that could do most of what normal scouts did while being WAY more survivable (and easier to assemble and paint). So someone at GW said "fuck these guys, we have new $90 scout models to sell.
>>98512108Looks good, Typhus was one of the first models I got so I just glued him to the base bare I always wish I put more effort into him cause now he looks just normal compared to my other models
>>98512502You're so right, scourges need something>Stable pinionsIf this unit didn't move in the previous movement phase add 3" to the range of their scourge firearms
>>98512577As someone who plays against EC a lot, T5 is nothing to worry about unless they have 3 wounds and/or an invuln save. Marines die like chaff.
>>98512577This is not happening, why force the meme?
Yuri can overcome.
>>98512475>Vindicator with flamer/melta sponsonsI'll take it but it's more anti-chaff than anti-vehicle, which is already what the entire rest of the SoB roster does.Sisters need an actual anti-tank option, preferably one that's ranged. Melta spam on dominions/retributors doesn't cut it, Morvenn and paragon suits should NOT be the only real option. Either give the Castigator a third gun, or give Sisters a bespoke "tank destroyer" vehicle.
>>98512661ew
>>98512661do you post this guy's comics more because you like them or more because people don't like them?
You hate chaos because you are an imperiumfag larper.I hate chaos because H*gelian dogs need to be put down.We are not the same
>>98512674
>>98512679I hate chaos because GW refuses to let tyranids actually be the big bad of any campaign/book/Vidya and require chaos to come in at the 11th hour as the "real" antagonists
>>98512691That's not an answer to my question, so I'm going to take it that you do so for the latter first and foremost.
>>98512674Who?
>>98512666Demolisher cannons shred vehicles though?
fuck yeah
>ebay always SPAMS me with notifications "auction ending soon!" for shit I merely looked at once>set a watch reminder on something I wanted >no notifications, auction ends without me remembering until nowWhy is every fucking website like thisThey're all jeetcoded bullshit that spams you with ads, but when you need to be reminded of a specific event or auction- the reminder never goes off in timeI'm so sick of this
>>98512734It feels like it shouldn't because it's a siege cannon, but looking at it again yea it has great anti-vehicle stats.Still only 2 feet of range though. I get that SoB want to be up close for flamers and meltas and melee, but having a specific long range "kill that thing NOW" unit would be nice as well to go alongside the Castigator. Some of that desire is me wanting to default to my guard-playing ways of camping distance, of course.I guess giving them the Vindicator would probably solve a lot of this anti-vehicle issue, assuming it doesn't just become everyone's new "kill that first" target like Morvenn currently is. That would then be solved by giving more than 1 option, so we'd be back to the drawing board ad infinitum on "but what ifs."
I know the Orks outnumber humans, but do they control more territory than the Imperium too? Orks don't seem like the kind that could coexist well in high-density territories
>>98512772This will continue until we cut the undersea cables or start firebombing poo citiesWe need every voter in the western world a single-issue voter: remove curry
>>98512452They are demons, not dragons.
>>98512797and kroots are kroots, not dragons
>>98512796nigga still thinks voting will retvrn him to evropa lmfaoshut up and talk about warhammerlike for instance, space wolves are fucking gay
What are the odds they finally let primaris marines use rhinos?
>>98512791Coexist?
>>98512473I miss the FUSION BLADES AAAAAA
>>9851283799%
>>98512791They endlessly fight eachother in huge clan wars until a warboss shows up to start a waaaaagh
>>98512791Orks most definitely outnumber human soldiers, but they are unlikely to outnumber human civilians because hive worlds push those numbers to unbelievable heights and orks don't really have similar intensive farms for their own selves.But it's very likely that orks control more planets or larger overall areas of the galaxy. You've got to understand that the imperium does not control the galaxy by controlling every single planet in it, or even the majority of the planets in it, or even every planet within a specific border; their planets are dots in a sea, connected by stable warp routes that make logistics feasible and allow for such planets to call for reinforcements and extend their military power lightyears away to squash threats.ork areas are likely not fully populated by orks, but orks don't have similar pressures as the imperium to keep a galxy-wide empire up and running, so their spread can be less focused on efficiency and more focused on just grabbing as much as they can regardless of logistics or whether it's practical or needed.
>>98512814No. Kroots can be bat winged alien bird dragons.
>>98512855Should I get one for this list? As a replacement for something I mean.Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Raven Guard - GladiusTaskForceChaplain (80pts): WarlordLibrarian in Phobos Armour (95pts)5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75pts)5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75pts)3x Bladeguard Veteran Squad (80pts)3x Eliminator Squad (75pts)5x Incursor Squad (85pts)5x Infiltrator Squad (110pts)Invader ATV (60pts)Firestrike Servo-Turrets (75pts)Impulsor (70pts)Callidus Assassin (100pts)
>>98512837They're gonna remake the rhino too
>>98512837You know, you can just them now like that too anyway.Literally just ask the guy who you're playing with if you can just use a rhino as is for your primaris dudes.>but tourneysUnironic waste of time and the shittiest way to play 40k. Don't do it.
>>98512343>The sgt will never use itThen give the extra bits to other models, that's the fucking point.
>>98512104I don't get why the best models for BSF weren't sold as standalone.
What should I do with my Bannernob's Banner? I was just gonna use the big-ass goff transfer that came in the Armageddon box but after seeing that one anon's Bannernob a few threads ago I wanna try doing something a bit more involved than just that.
>>98512864they can be winged, but they can never be dragons, just like demons
>>98512887go ham and do something hilariously and jarringly opulent in freehand as best you canthat's a lot of surface area to just slap a decal onto when you could do more with it instead
>>98512867Not really. The point of rhinos is to carry 10 man squads and you got none.
>>98512877I'd rather get a fifth heavy weapon my dude.
>>98512104>>98512881I think GW wanted the models to be BSF only for more sales of BSF back when it was still being published. I think the Crusaders got removed from the guard list (I am not sure if they're back in 11th) because the crusaders were resin and just weren't seen as good alternatives to the bullgryns as melee guard units because they didn't aesthetically fit the guard visually and the bullgryns were just overall better stat wise and looking better too.Just paint some not!crusader proxies if you can find them and then stick them on a bullgryn base if you can fit more than 3.
>>98512912So he should switch to Razorbacks?
>>98512872I'm going to say no to you cramming 12 primaris in a deck of cards. Put it on a base and proxy as an impulsor if you insist on using the model, but remember it's also an inch or so too short for that so don't try to be clever hiding it behind walls.
>>98512921Razorbacks only really synergize with devastators. Melee units don't get anything out of it and gravis can't fit.
>>98512926How is that any different to the same model carrying chaos marines on the exact same bases and barely a milimetre smaller?
>>98512892Kroot can be dragons, they are just kroot dragons then.
>>98512926Ok, I'll just use an Impulsor as is then.
>>98512917You already have one, the kit comes with 8.
>>985129525 weapons at the same time in the squad, mate.
>>98512938Different armies have different rules and balance. You going to throw in a demon primarch for your loyalists while you're at it?
>>98512963>I want 5>You already have more than 5>5, that's my last offerThis is 100% a spongebob gag
>>98512939>>98512452
>>98512964You didn't answer the question. How is a rhino carrying 10 assault intercessors any different from it carrying 10 berzerkers?
>>98512982primaris are nigger
>>98512872Thanks, should I go ahead and get one now, or is there a good chance pf it getting a new model soon as well?
Does anybody know of some autistically faithful STL remakes or CAD-like scans of the 2022 Cadians?I want to edit the models in Blender to "downgrade" them to their predecessor proportions just for giggles. I'm not sure if anybody has already done this.
>>98512989Based typo
>>98512997can't you just edit a picture or do you actually want to make it a printed sculpt?
>>98512997Seconding this. I know the 2022 combat patrol scans are going around.
>>98513008I actually want to make it a printed sculpt.End game goal is to make a homage model to the "Cadian at ease" model. Then find one of the first Cadian.Then take the Wargames Atlantic model plinth STLs and paint them like marble statues. Maybe Krieg, Elysian, Mordian, Praetorian if such sculpts in such poses exist too.
>>98513022alright, give me a few minutes to see if I find it
>>98512989No they aren't
>>98512666It's S14 -3, I just think a big holy siege cannon pushing forward fits their playstyle more than a long range AT sniper vehicle.
Explain to an outsider why IG guardsmen squads matter, crunchwise (if at all).S3 AP0 lasguns look so weak against T4 3+ saves, even if you do have several squads' worth of them. 36 shots to kill a single marine!I know SM are the protagonists and IG are the damsel in distress that gets saved by marines...but are guardsmen squads really just objective capturers for Russ squadrons?
>>98513055That's what I said in >>98512779The Vindicator would fit with the "traditional" SoB playstyle as-is, but then that leaves the Castigator out to dry as the ONLY unit that can even be considered long range, and then why even include it in the list? Just to take advantage of Rapid Fire 4 on the autocannons at the same distance as a Vindicator?For the Castigator to have a place, Sisters need a longer range vehicle besides it. If the Vindicator were to be dropped in, it'd just replace the Castigator. Ideally, both would have a place.>inb4 ExorcistIt has a range of 36 inches for its indirect fire missiles. I wouldn't call that "long range," because it's 1 foot inside of either of the Castigator main guns' range.The Castigator is out of place with or without the addition of the Vindicator, my point is trying to both strengthen the SoB roster (in quality and quantity) and make it more coherent.
>>98513083Because orders make them better and chewung through that many bodies while their tanks shoot you is difficult.
>>98513102Just give the exorcist a longer range.
>>98513022https://gofile.io/d/f60ad74e-1cb7-42d0-b116-aa05bb74c903I also added a few other things, see if they're goodno audiobook tho
>>98512473I miss imperial armour books.
>>98513083guard infantry are for clogging up board geometry and dying en-masse, yeahthere aren't much for things in 40k that a bog standard human conscript is very capable of dealing with on his or her own or even in a squad, massed ranks are needed for anything serious but the flashlights probably won't get one too far even thenguard are the human wave faction
>>98513114ThisIts pretty explicit in all the lore that guardsmen are fleshy tissue paper
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>>98513130FUCK! another minute
How important terrain layouts?The only terrain I have are some sci-fi houses that are bigger than the official footprints and some scatter terrain. How much would using them fuck up the game?
>>98513164Terrain layouts are essentially the primary determining factor of the outcome of the game (second only to the skill level of the players)It sounds like youre relatively new though so just do whatever you want manTheres no need to care that much about competitive balance as a new playerIts way more fun to just fuck around and run scenarios with friendsThat competitive tournament shit is gay anyways
>>98513164if you deviate from prescribed standards by so much as a millimeter no matter the venue you're playing in, gw will have you assassinated
>>98513148https://gofile.io/d/FCEfzG28
>>98513102Castigator still has a beneficial niche with Rites so I don't see it being removed from lists if the Vindicator became a thing.
>>98513174The reason I ask is in some games minor seeming things can be way more important than they first seem and this is a pretty sizable increase in the size of objectives.
>>98513190I wouldnt worry about itJust have fun with your buds my dudeThats what its all about after all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2XGp5ix8HE
>>98512837>>98512868I really hope they redo them. The idea of 5, let alone 10 marines fitting into that thing is crazy to me. Sisters of battle? Cramped but it'd work. Even old chaos marines seem like they'd crouch down the entire time and fit maybe 3. Do an astartes sized rhino and you can keep the old chassis for other armies' tanks like the exorcist. Just say they scale the STC's or something.
>>98513182Legend, cheers
>>98513211I don't believe 10 marines can fit in a rhino. 10 guardsmen? Sure. Rhinos are 6 dudes only for me.What's also crazy is that rhinos and land raiders are supposed to have the same transport capacity of 10.
>>98513164The layouts provide quick reference to have somewhat balanced boards. If you're a new player you don't have the experience to do this on your own so following the layouts will help. If you're an experienced player you'll have a feel for how much terrain you need and how to scatter it so the game is balanced. They are not mandatory but they help.
Image limit reached.TQ suggestions?
>>98513211Even if they remake it it's not gonna be any bigger simply for gameplay purposes.
>>98513238Actually they both hold 12 now. Land raiders just also can have terminators.
>>98513183Fair enough, I didn't really consider Rites when I was thinking about it.Still kind of sucks to spend 165 points on a vehicle that doesn't really mesh with the rest of your army JUST for an AP-1 buff to every subsequent attack to whatever it hit. There are a good few units in other armies that do much more than that at comparable and lower point costs (Leman Russ Vanquisher, Rogal Dorn, Gladiator Lancer, Predator variants that are the same model as the Castigator but have better guns) that nearly always mesh well into their rosters.
>>98513255Which faction is the chuddiest
>>98513211>The idea of 5, let alone 10 marines fitting into that thing is crazy to mePretty much all vehicles on the tabletop are sized down purely for gameplay purposes.Rhinos in reality are much larger than people think they are, but GW doesn't make full size ones because the larger model would cost more, but also lot of GW stuff is due to the amount of sprues, larger kit requires more sprues/larger sprues, and larger sprues/more sprues you have, bigger the box needs to be, larger box less you can fit them on a pallet and less of them you can fit inside a container.Also making model that'd proportionally accurate would also make the game more cumbersome, the game boards are already pretty small, you don't want to make the problem worse by making the models larger which eats up more board space
>>98513263Also when it comes to vehicles, sisters don't need the ap they need strength. AP is irrelevant when you're shooting your only other anti tank option (meltas) so it's basically just to stack buffs with multiple castigators and maybe exorcists.
>>98513255What data sheet needs the biggest glow up with your next codex?
>>98513262Still insane for 12 marines to fit in a rhino and it having the same capacity as a LR.
>>98513245My question was less about the layouts and more about the specific sizes of the footprints in 11th.
>>98513283Also not terribly mandatory but they provide enough variety in size, shape and type between light and heavy terrain.
>>98513164As long as you keep terrain that blocks line of sight symmetrical and not advantaging one player over the other it doesn't matter and GW's rules say just do whatever. The terrain on the official layouts is just for the set that comes in the intro set, it's not the only permitted stuff.Having terrain features larger than the footprints is fine, although ideally you wouldn't remove too much of the standing area for models to contest the quite large objective areas.
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>>98513281The extra size in the land raider is armour and guns.
>>98513274>Rhinos in realityLore is not real. Only plastic is real.
>>98513275Rites doesn't stack with itself afaik, and the Exorcist has s10ap-3 rockets, so it's not benefiting from Rites either.
>>98513238I miss my landraider. I need to make something with my dark angels to give me a reason to buy one.>>98513260>>98513274Very true. I understand the gameplay reason but it's still awkward to see.
>>98513260It's smaller than existing 7 man transports let alone the 12s, it's small because it's old not because gameplay requires it to be.
>>98511264>>98511196These responses tell me I'm 100% right
