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>>98506084>What’s the biggest army you’ve ever fielded?2000pts of GSC with 109 models
>>98506085Chaos Knights can get smushed into the Lost and the Damned revival alongside Dark Mechanicus
>biggest army you've ever fieldedI fielded a guard army that was essentially all infantry and heavy weapon teams. I won that game (and only that game so far) because the opponent's entire game seems to revolve around them deploying stuff in deep strike. I struggled to fill my deployment zone with all of my stuff and unintentionally screened without realising. Not had much luck with guard so far, struggling to figure out if it's me that shit, the army, my units, or all three.
Anime delay. I don't care but maybe you do.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/cjtdp4se/butchers-nails-important-information-and-new-clip/
>TQI brought a green tide list with 135 models to a grand tournament once... My poor back
>>98506084>TQPlayed 5000 points of Orks vs Necrons in 10th. Super fun time, wish this dude was still in my town because he was one of the chilliest guys I played against
>>98506106Here's the starting lineup of each side. That was around 3 rounds in.
>>98506103MY BELOVED ANGRONNOOOOOOO
>>98506103>We said it was for august, but we need a few more weeks>how much?>at least 5 weeksThat's not a few weeks, GW, that's 1 to to months.I don't care about the animation, but I do care about GW being slimey faggots who can't keep up their own promises.>announce thing, out of your own choice and volition>then find yourself unable to deliver, so you lie a bit on topHow can they be so fucking retarded?
>>98506123Chill the fuck out nigga, its just an animation not your next shipment of estrogen.
Painted my first mini from the Armageddon box. I hate painting in sub-assemblies.
>>98506128
What're you working on, gentlemen?Post some models/WIPs
>>98506133>>98506107>>98506106>>98506105LE LE ECKS DEE XDXD
>>98506133Working through my own Armageddon folks (and a LOT of Quar). This dude is my most recent, and I'm very proud of him
>>98506105Fuck that, I refuse to play green tide for that reason
>>98506106>>98506107God damn that's a lot of dudes.
>>98506138whats with the indio blanket
>>98506139>>98506105Pop your extra strength tylenol before the game, boys.
>>98506139I had some trays that made it a bit easier, but yeah, there's a reason I haven't done a list like that again. I'll stick to my kans, dreads and mekboyz thank you very much
>>98506136
>>98506139Green tide is fun as fuck though, it's very fun seeing your opponent be out numbered 10 to 1. They'll place their whole army and you're still on your Boyz units.
>>98506138Looking thick, solid, tight. Can't wait to see how thick, solid, and tight you can get. Keep us posted. In all seriousness, strong oldhammer vibes with the colors, amazing. That banner is art.
Is logan grimnar the same size as regular terminators? I'm looking into kitbashing him into the oldschool metal SW terminator leader.If anyone has a good size comparison it'd be greatly appreciated
>>98506138you should, that banner is absolutely gorgeous.
>>98506084>TQI did a 3k game against my buddy's Custodes once, but with CSM that's basically just "throw in a few more daemon engines and that chaos knight I have". I don't have any cultists so it's not like I can do some insane horde list or anything.
>>98506133Work and the heat's been fucking me in the ass so I haven't done a lot in the last couple weeks. I'm painting 2 tactical squads and a devastator squad and they're all on this stage. Once I finish them I have 20 terminators to go through.
>>98506147I did have to do that for this game. >>98506107Helped a lot.
>>98506148I know the arms are from the standard boyz kit and the body is from the runtherd, but what ork head is that?
>>98506133Been chipping away at my armageddon box while at a night shift desk job. Really like the progress I'm making on my dakkarig.
>>98506103Why did they think they'd be able to run an animation studio to begin with?
I still have no idea what to do with my Orks.
>>98506163Wait I do have a better pic.
>>98506185Join the horde of blorks in the general.
>>98506133I'm trying to make my chaplain fancy before I commit to going to warhammer nightCurrently trying to buy a squad of sternguard, bladeguard and assault intercessors off someone
>>98506185Shove 'em up your butt!
>>98506188I was thinking of doing different units in different colors, but I don't know if it would look good on the table. I do like the blue orks though.
>>98506185Blue iz Best, anon.
>>98506136shut the fuck up man
>>98506195If there's any army that can pull of a chaotic mess of different colors in different units, it's orks.
>>98506144Got it from work a couple years ago. One of the houses I worked on belonged to someone who liked to weave and they let me take one home. Have it hanging on my wall as a model backdrop to this day.>>98506160Thank you! I'm doing a tournament with some friends, and I wanted to commemorate my victories against their Thousand Sons, Tyranids, and Death guard respectively >:)>>98506167Idk. Found this pic here... Looks third-party but I am a bit of a hobbylet when it comes to super old models so I could be wrong
>>98506084>>Thread Question: What’s the biggest army you’ve ever fielded?3000pts of Orks and Eldar on the Xenos side of 15000pts per side Apocalypse battle that took the entire basement floor and 2 days to play.
>>98506185Make em red just so the blue boys here have some ops.
>>98506217Red is the one I wouldn't consider, since my marines are going to be red.
>>98506220
>>98506185paint em green, make the scrap of armor into various different bare metals, customise whatever patterns, bodypaints and insignia on a model to model basis, depending on what you fancy that day
>>98506201>what are eldar?>what are chaos daemons?
I have the armageddon box, a trukk, gazzy, two extra grot squads and the old combat patrol. I was thinking about getting the new bikes and a squad of nobs. Anything else I should get? I should get a gorkanaut. I want a gorkanaut. Are deff dreds good? Deff dredds are really fucking cool and having two, one with all rokkits and one with all killy buzzaws would be so fucking cool.
>>98506185You could do each unit a different klan. Was the norm back in 2nd. Meganobz were badmoonz, lootas were deathskulls, kommanos were blood axes and so on.
>>98506243Buy what you think is cool not what is good
>>98506148Based dread mob enjoyer>>98506156I take forever to move shit so id rather not play it and not play against it
>>98506153>>98506198YOU DONT LIKE ORKS? THATS NOT VERY XD OF YOU
>>98506246I probably won't put too much thought into klanz, but that's essentially my idea here >>98506195
>>98506243>HEY GUISE TELL ME WHAT THE MOST BROKEN UNITS ARE RIGHT NOW, I JUST WANT TO PLAY THEM AND NOTHING ELSE
The ork fatigue is real, didn't think it would ever happen
>>98506193
>>98506264I'm pretty sure it's just one sperg mad about the "I like orks" guy.
These are nice.
I've been playing foot slogging Orks with KFF Big Mek since 4th edition. I will be taking that 5++ and nobody better bitch about it.
>>98506243We just have no idea right now what is going to be good or bad, orks have a new codex like three weeks away.
>>98506292NO LEGENDS UNITS ALLOWED
Mike Brooks is currently writing a book about Exodites that will make Human-Eldar half-breeds canon. A pivotal role in the book is one who faces discrimination from some of the other Exodites, but has become friends with a Leystalker who faced similar discrimination after she transitioned from male to female.The villain of the book will be a Necron Lord who, after havint lost his husband to the Flayer Virus, has become a Destroyer Lord sworn to eradicate all life.
>>98506283Not just that, he's sperging out over Ork posters in general.
>>98506292How about you take one of my BULLETS!
I wish warhammer animations were on par with blizzard animations
>>98506292Insanely based individual. Fucking love KFFs, wish they'd make a proper comeback.
>>98506305Pretty embarrassing of him, but not surprising. I really wish this thread wasn't the local watering hole for the most obnoxious people.
I like Tau! :D
>>98506302You're doing that thing again where you're imagining things that aren't happening but which nonetheless make you upset. It's not healthy behavior. Get medicated.
>>98506318Not even Blizzard animations are on par with Blizzard anymoreThat newest OW trailer was ASS
>>98506302This is fake. Where are all the neopronouns that no one uses aside from 13 year old girls in their wolf girl phase?
>dont want to use contrast spam on boyz again>cant be fucked using layer paints on boyzI guess they are just going to sit in a box for good now
>>98506324Getting rid of all the fun shit for orks was silly on gw behalf
>>98506133Just glued the gunner and troopers in the cargo bed of my Centaur RSV. Now I need to add to weathering on the back panels and stick the decals and it'll be complete!
>>98506283What i dont get is that the i like orks :D guy has been posting here for years yet his paint jobs are just starting to improve. I've seen people who have never painted orks until this edition look far better than that poster
>layer paintssame energy as "chapter books"
>>98506334The diablo paladin one was fucking great though.
>>98506351>armywide 5+ invul is fun and silly!for who exactly?
What should I paint the inside of marine jump packs?
>>98506133Still trying to think what I should put on the base for this guy for the collage. I was originally going to put an ultramarine & space wolf head as 2 of my friends just started collecting both of those armies
>>98506342Why do you care? Use whatever helps you actually paint your stuff.
>>98506368For ork players obviously
>>98506374Because contrast (to me) looks boring and shit now, and actually putting in the effort takes too long. Ill just be like the rest of the people who buy this shit and never use it
>Da Grand Warlord's Ladz: While this unit is within 3" of another friendly ORKS INFANTRY unit, this unit has Lone OperativeIt irks my 'tism for a rule describing how a leader fighting alongside his fellows uses the rule specifically meant for and named after sneaky dudes moving around on their own
>>98506334Overwatch was Metzen's passion project as a comic book nerd and when the higher ups opted to make it focused on E-Sports he lost interest fast. After that the game hit a steep decline as nobody knew what direction to actually take the game, and they've now settled on trying to appral to the East Asia audience with easily churned out slop characters since they keep getting their budget slashed.
>>98506368I dunno, daemons have it too but it's like, their gimmick and they don't claim its a fun silly rule so they get a pass.Sisters are problem child #3 for this. Bananas and clowns at least pay through the nose for the ++ and are supposed to be elite.
>>98506381Ghaz and wazdakka (both massive units) gaining the lone operative keyword is the biggest piss take, on par with primarchs. The headbutt extra attack is hilarious but s14 doing between 4-6 wounds is a bit excessive
>>98506381its just so shit like inferno lance doesn't godroll and ohko him. Titanic was a mistake and epic has no business being tankier than armigers and some big knights
>>98506382It helps that East Asians love corpo slop even more than your average redditor. Whereas westerners are pretty cucked but some of them still have a spine.
I finally decided to filter that faggot who keeps shitposting against the ork ritual posts. News flash, you nigger, just filter ritual posts you don't like instead of being a giant flaming homo.
>>98506394>Always hits on 2+, Wounds every single character in the game on 2+ because of his aura>AP -2 to ensure it's always a coin flip save at best>4-6 damage which is generally enough to pop any Leader in one hitGhaz is now the best Sniper in the game.
We don't use that word here.
>>98506381Wait why the fuck does ghaz have lone operative if none of my HQ choices do? The new model is huge
>>98506369depends on the rest of your scheme
>>98506413because they want you to take the big fuck off model but the game is still too killy that they don't want you to lose it on turn 1
>>98506380You know what looks boring and shit? Unpainted minis. Find a method that works for you and stick to it.
>>98506394We're back to 8th and 9th aura characters and I fucking hate it.
>>98506421I guess he can't join units this time? But they still want him to gain the protection from being with a unit an attached character would get
>>98506416Ah yes its the resident model poster that shits on other model posters. Cringe
Gaz and Guilleman having lone op is one of the dumbest things in the game. Ya they want to protect your super special model from getting shot until after it does stuff but the flavor of it makes no sense and it stupid and there was a point in time they cared about making sense
>>98506413it's like having a bodyguard for your character that can't actually attach because he's too big. GW want him to have all the cakes and eat them too.
>>98506422I have, i just dont paint orks anymore
>>98506431stay salty
>>98506427It's their established way of protecting support characters that aren't actually allowed to lead the units they're babysitting, although Ghaz is a lot bigger than the Enginseer sorts that usually get it.
>>98506434Angron will have it soon, along with the rest of the daemon primarchs. How the fuck does something with the monster keyword have lone op?
>>98506416>>98506441the inside of your jump pack needs to be more white
>>98506441Surprised you arent shitting on the people have posted models so far. Last time this was happening the anon didn't even own models, he pretended someone else models were his
>>98506434It's a band-aid response to how lethal and swingy the game has become. Even a 4++ only goes so far when almost every army is capable of popping lascannon shots across the map.
>>98506443A techmarine & mek having lone op next to vehicles makes sense, ghaz and guilliman having it altogether does not
>>98506434Feels weird to me since they force me to do dumb shit like take bad escort squads for my normal sized hqs but ghaz just rocks with literally your whole army as a shield and he's a giant target that screams "shoot me."Don't even get lone op on farseers and warlocks let alone the Avatar or Yncarne
Do we know who gets their codex after space marines yet? Would the order be similar to 10th?
>>98506457Marines > Orks > Custodes > Tau
>>98506454The Eldar part of that is at least partially GW's reactionary balancing at play. They're still overreacting to the Lone Op jump Autarch from the 10e Index.
>>98506457custodes are one of the first to get the hh stuff into the book
>>98506463I don't play custodes but I honestly hope they make them ws/bs 1+ or have innate rerolls to hit or something because holy fuck the stat creep is real and making them look like shit when they're supposed to be more elite and better statted than marines.
I think we should only get to use 1 stratagem max per phase.
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
Aspect warriors should be better than marines at the job they do. I don't know why the fuck they're worse.
>>98506477I hope they don't touch the wych/kabalite kits. Those kits are fucking God tier and I doubt new GW could comprehend a better kit let alone release it.
Pictured: You CANNOT target this Prophet of Gork and Mork from more than 12" away
>>98506416Oh my god the camera reveals so many imperfections I couldn't see with my eyes
>>98506480Well anon, in 1st through 7th you would be right. But now we have numarines and they are just eldar+ so you'll just have to suck at everything. Here, take a points cost reduction to storm guardians.Jokes aside I 100% agree, even in the era of numarines. At least fire dragons don't suck at their job but they gave them rerolls to EVERYTHING so I dunno what anyone expected.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ckwgwgyx/new-codex-orks-army-rules-to-get-you-riled-up/More 'skin rules (many of us have seen this one already though)
>>98506133 #Same as last night, I did get some more work done after taking this pic.>>98506324 #I am honestly surprised we missed a refresh on a big Mek loadout like this.
Hey, maybe it will be useable this edition? A man can dream
no missin', earn that armor
>>98506502Welcome to the "thought paint would cover the assembly mistakes" club
>blorks on the warcom articleYou little fuckers memed it into reality.
>>98506084ME WANTA STOMPA
>>98506522Only Imperials get useful super heavies, chud
>>98506534
>>98506522>Stompa can always advance, shoot, and chargePretty funny change
I like orksecks dee
>>98506447The Armageddon packs kind of suck and just have a hole where the core of the thruster is on the multipart jump intercessors. There's not enough surface to paint pure white and have room for the glow.
>>98506413He's also infantry so can benefit from hidden!
>>98506542Was going to say it also means it enjoys a constant 5+ invuln but I see they still bothered to redundantly print that on its card
>>98506522light eldar vehicle mobility
>>98506542Fuck, it's got super heavy walker too. Big bastard can just go wherever it wants.
>>98506480They generally are. Fire Dragons mog the fuck out of marine anti-tank infantry, Howling Banshees are faster, hit better and wound better against elite infantry than most marine units and certainly units like assault intercessors (who wound terminators on 5s) and swooping hawks are faster than marine jump pack units with a 14" base move and assault weapons. And you can try comparing Shining Spears with Outriders.Yes, marine units are much tankier than eldar units, but, uh... Yeah?
>>98506560>Wraithknight swings sword at stompa>Stompa vanishes, appearing behind wraithknight>Nuttin' personal, git.
>>98506522>got rid of its sweep profileFuck sake is this the edition where sweep profiles disappear?
I don't care for the Orks
>>98506579That's the point of Cleave
>>98506583So its just replacing sweep profiles?
>>98506579Good riddance, I'd say. Sweep profiles have always been either ass or better than the regular profile (usually depending on whether or not it has D2). Cleave is a more elegant solution.
>>98506529That's almost essential, seeing meganobz hit on 4s with everything was just embarrassing
>>98506582D: :(( le sad ork noises
Let Chaos Idols take this thread!
After assembling the exodites I have commentary.Pros-they are very modular, it's not simply the amount of bits but the though put into it. The tactical rock, for example, can be placed on multiple feet or none at all. Which sounds kind of retarded, but is actually useful if you were to have 6 squads of dragon knights battleline and needed to differentiate them. Weapons and arms and helmets also allow for surprising modularly and differentiation, having 10 heads for 3 guys can really get you somewhere. There are also 5 torsos instead of 4 like I thought, though missing one of the back ones. However there are only 3 pairs of legs because GW doesn't want you to get cheeky there.This kit was made with the basis of an army in mind.Cons-making terrain out of construction paper is not working and is harder than I assumed it would be and I'm not paying someone online 60 bucks to print out the terrain so I'm at an impasse. The fucking snaggas really ruin this box, being subbed in place of a terrain sprue. But also annoyingly Kt Typhon had a terrain sprue and npo gaunts. Maybe GW should consider decreasing the price of snagga boys if no one wants to pay 60 bucks for an inferior version of boys. The lack of cool terrain remains disappointing.damn there are a lot of Boyz variants now.
>>98506592A late night ratfag appearance, what a treat
wartablegames never posted my order after 6 months, is blackmarketminis any better?
>>98506594>paper terrainPlasticard or polystyrene.You can look up how people do castle walls and other kinds of "solid" terrain, that'll tell you how to make good & resistant tabletop terrain.
>>98506522I really need them to make up an actual in-universe justification for why orks get lethal hits on all their bullets or I'll hurt myself.
>>98506612They did>Shootas and similar firearms have also gained the Lethal Hits ability when targeting anything that isn’t a Monster or Vehicle, because when you fire that many bullets in the vague direction of your enemy, you’re bound to hit an eye socket or exposed cable somewhere. This should help Orks compete in a game where lots of their opponents will be hiding in cover, and the change applies to most shoota-like weapons in the Codex.
>>98506594> The tactical rock, for example, can be placed on multiple feet or none at allAs it should be. I think gazkhull can also work without the tactical rock, for instance.I don't like tactical rocks and I don't want to pay for the extra plastic, especially when it could be another bit. So ideally they'd design the minis so they can be used with tactical rocks, and if need be sell a box of tactical rocks for people who can't do it themselves.If someone likes tactical rocks/scenic bases in the base box, they're a fucking faggot.
>>98506616that's dogshit reasoning that could be applied to give any shooting unit lethal hits
>>98506612There definitely isn't one, they're just copying AoS again and giving every unit crit auto wound.
>>98506616>explanation is for hitting>rules if for woundingFuck this chud gay earth.
How good is the armaggeddon orc battalion for a new orc player that only has the armageddon box?
>>98506522The Stompa being good would be so awesome but holy shit do I not want to build one of those janky fucks again.
>>98506634Yes, Lethal Hits represents wounding from a lucky hit, that's what its for
>>98506612It's on the "supa gatler", aka a giant gatling gun that shoots bullets at 30 000 rounds per minute probably.Shooting that many bullets at something is bound to hit something critical.Or look at this way.Concentrated fire from a gatling that shoots 30k rounds per minute is just going to drill through anything and destroy it.
>>98506610gee dubs told me I could make it out of cardboard and paper.
I'm sorry ork players I love you and I love orks but I really don't care about any of these, your rules were always gonna be cool. I need to know how they are gonna butcher my beakies and how much of my army is going straight to the bin.
>>98506641It's on every shoota and it still makes no sense. "They shoot so many bullets something is bound to hit" yeah that's why you give them a bunch of shots and shit BS, not lethal hits (rending is still the superior name for the rule, fuck you James).
>>98506637it got vehicles and choppas
>bringing 2 stompas to an 11th tournament
>>98506649Enough bullets will rend through any armor.
>>98506649They just need it so that they don't get fucked as hard by the changes to cover as all the races for whom a -1 to hit doesn't halve their output, the explanation is passable enough
>>98506516> the threat of a sudden advance-and-charge from a Warboss’s bodyguard will put the fear of Gork (or perhaps Mork) into them. Have we seen the new warboss datasheet, or is this alluding to warbosses getting a way to dish out riled up?
>>98506655Sustained hits would have been way better.
>>98506666Or just not putting anything on them at all because every basic gun having a special rule is stupid. You can express shooting a lot of shots by having a gun shoot a lot of shots.
>>98506644Rhinos seem to be safe at least. Gonna have to larp as legion tacticals though.
>>98506673That too. I'm just not opposed to most guns having special rules, they just need to make sense.
>>98506649This argument doesn't even work.Eldar shuriken weapons and death spinners are designed specifically to operate on this principle and don't have lethal hits.Ie volume fire and getting random hits in armor weakpoints. They fire mono-edged shurikens that need to hit joints or weakpoints in armor to cause damage. This should mean army wide rending but nah. Orks get it for some reason.
>>98506676If only intercessors were as good as tacticals are in HH3.0
>>98506685Shuriken cannons do have lethal hits. But there the justification is that their ammo is special, which makes sense as to why the rule is for wounding. "We have high ROF" does not translate to lethal hits. It translates to either higher amount of shots or sustained hits.
>>98506673Eh, every gun of a specific type having a special rule can work, giving all Gauss weapons lethal hits works fine.You're right about shootas tho, they should not have bothered.>>98506534Why have all the orks posted recently been death skulls anyway? I've picked deathskulls for my new ork army, are they popular?
>>98506654No they wont lmfaoTheres tons of shit that is genuinely just immune to small arms fire and requires high caliber armor piercing
>>98506649>rending is still the superior name for the rule, fuck you James).The reason it's lethal hits is so that nobody confuses where the effect occurs.>Lethal HITSHit roll.>Sustained HITSHit roll.>Devastating WOUNDSWound roll.Not saying this goes for every rule, but these specifically were named with that in mind. I'd agree that rending sounds better, and sustained hits will never sound like what it actually does, but it immediately dispels the question of "what if I crit wound with rending?"
>>98506649Is it due to them more than likely hitting on 6s due to cover? If they are going to be hitting on 6s for most of the game i guess that's how they justify it
>>98506703>rending hits
>>98506697Because blue iz best, git.
>>98506705So why should their poor shooting equate to automatic wounds?
How often does the game go backwards from power creep?
>>98506641So they'll put lethal hits onto every instance of a gatling cannon or a heavy stubber on a unit then, right? Since it's just for volume of fire?
>>98506711Thats not usually how power creep works lol usually power creep infinitely presses forward thats kind of the whole idea
>>98506703James I'm very confused, why is hazardous not called dangerous hits?
>>98506692Except eldar also don't get high rof on anything and they had army-wide rending for 3 editions where the biggest compaint was that it was strong and everyone thought it was fluffy so you're in a bit of a pickle there newfag.
>>98506697There's at least more than one goffs poster (who isn't me) but yeah at some point the overwhelming majority of ork players here decided to paint their shit blue
>>98506703The only people that can be confused about this is the sort that don't read the rules and nobody should write rules with people that don't read rules in mind.
>>98506628AoS has the excuse of not having enough stats for weapons to be different without using special rules. 40k does not have that issue. But that has never stopped them before.
>>98506714The game needs a fuckin reset, looking at these ork datasheets makes me a little ill
>>98506716I'm not argueing against it. Just saying that shurikens in general do have that arule, it's just the small shuriken weapons that don't. They'll probably get it in 11th.
>>98506710No idea desu I thought the lethal hit spam was stupid, thought i was looking at a death guard datasheet when it was first posted
>>98506715Well you see little Timmy, you don't make your hazard test when rolling your hit rolls, you roll it after!>>98506707Id say rending hits is the same as lethal hits in terms of name quality.
>>98506676Huh, those guys can't go in rhinos.
>>98506720AoS has no excuse when its players will jump at you if you suggest that damage shouldn't spill over or that S/T should still be a thing so that the Attacks and Damage stats and hit and wound rolls have a reason to exist as separate things.
Given how broken the boyz datasheet is will we expect units to be 200 points+ in the codex?
>>98506723I doubt it gets the reset your afterAnd if it ever did it would probably be several years down the line after tons of backlash which may not even happenSometimes stuff just changes, it is what it is
>>98506723Warhammer 50k when?
>>98506731That's the implication, that they'll remove the retarded transport restriction. It's also the first time since 2019 that they've shown rhinos and predators in promotional material. They also actively hid land raiders until they let primaris ride them in 10th. Seems like the same is happening here.
>>98506730>irl name is Tim>feel like someone is talking directly to me when I see these posts
>>98506733That would be interestingEach unit becomes stronger but more expensive so people field less units overallCould be
>>98506723First_time?.jpg
>>98506612Da dakka iz ded killy
>>98506741I'd prefer if points costs were higher overall, it wouldn't be so daunting for new players trying to collect enough for a 2k army
>>98506742I went from 4th straight to 10th so it kinda does feel like my first time seeing it happen
>>98506723Can you define why? Because they're getting a worse datasheet rule (sticky is much better than lethals on the charge), their guns are getting upgraded but their melee downgraded (+1S natively but lose the +1A from the Waaagh rule which is pretty brutal when it comes to their damage output).
>>98506747Yeah that might actually be good if they do that
Y'all still "playing" this slop?
>>98506751Because u r gay anon that's why
>>98506753Leave our general nogames
>>98506741Likely leads to points inflation like we had in 6th and 7th where we transitioned to 2k from 1750and 1850 because lethality was going through the roof so you needed redundancy to actually have a viable game.Probably need to do a wave of indexes like 8th or release a lot of really undertuned codexes to achieve community consensus on cutting points.
>>98506747I would love it if the game went back to the army sizes of 3rd. Standard games of 1500 points on 6x4 tables with no flyers or superheavies outside of Apocalypse games.
>>98506753>y'all
>>98506753I get that youre shitposting but I dont get the “playing” in quotes
>>98506750Pretty hard to compete with 3.5/4e 40k. That shit was fire. Sounds like you moved to a new town, sucks bro but I totally get you. Total shitshow these days.
>>98506741>ork boyz go up to 150-200 points for 10 with the new stats>guard stats stay unchanged, but go down to 40 points for 10/80 for 20
>>98506771Fuck imagine having to paint 100+ guardsman, neophytes are bad enough
>>98506753Uh, yeah. Big Ork fought a stuntie last week for 3 while battle rounds straight. Was kino.
>>98506753Not anymore but I still paint and enjoy the occasional BLslop.
Do you shitposters have friends that play older editions? There was a group in the city im from that were played 2nd edition and running small tournaments for it but I've only played 3rd edition onwards
>>98506761>>98506771Now that we’re talking about it I bet that actually is the ideaI could be wrong obviously but I bet since they’ve brought in alot of new people they don’t want to scare them off by forcing them to assemble and paint a shitload of modelsThey probably want to get people fielding less units overall and having those units be individually stronger and have more unique abilities
>>98506770I'd like to play a game of 3rd/4th again one day, the people I used to play back then im not friends with anymore
>>98506715You only roll hazardous checks after all attacks are resolved, not during the hit or wound stage.
>>98506775who won?
>>98506737It's a quick photo set up for their online academy thing. They make mistakes all the time, like when they reveal future model releases (custodes recently).
>>98506733Rumors say 90 points per 10 but who knows.
Decreasing the point cost across the board, Battle Sisters are now 70pts for 10, £52 a box.
>>98506732Nobody cares about "knight" armies in AoS because there's no S/T.
>>98506799That would be wild. Orks to 90% win rates.
>>98506790The stuntie...Both characters got each other down to 1 wound and the stuntie got the first swing the next turn.The stunties actually did very well during that game. Orks had a very strong start, getting nearly a 25 point lead, but the stunties brought it back by remaining steady throughout the game.
>>98506774Yea, haha, imagine doing that, it'd be so awful...I just finished priming, I haven't even started actually painting them.>>98506784>they don’t want to scare them offThis is GW we're talking about. They care about revenue first, consumer retention second.They don't seem to understand that they can increase their total revenue by decreasing individual prices slightly as well (because more people will buy them/they'll just sell more of them to the same people), so I don't think that any "pro consumer" choice by them is on the table.>>98506803If every single other thing on the table stayed the same but Sisters went to 80 points, they'd be "fine." 100 is far too much for what they give.
Response to the Ork datasheets is whey they should always release Marines first. Once half the player base knows where they stand power creep can be contextualised.
>>98506786Haha same, but I got lucky and ran into an old friend from my second wargaming group and his crew are mostly down for 4e, BFG, ToW, and Battletech.There's even plans to write updated codexes and a unified roughly 4e based new ruleset in the works since the 3e guard, nid, and chaos codexes are based as fuck.
Painting white is wrong. And bad. There should be a new, stronger word for painting white . Like badwrong, or badong. Yes, painting white is badong.
>>98506138pretty sick bro
>>98506699>No they wont lmfaoYe they will. Ork bullet magic will make it happen.
>>98506807Assuming 90 is correct, you're basically paying 15 points to add shootas to your boyz, and I'm fairly certain currently no ork players would really want to do that.
>>98506796Anon you don't hide several kits from all marketing for almost a decade just to show them to newcomers if you plan to squat them immediately.
>>98506148>we grilling tonight.jpg
>>98506799Everyone would just field like 180 Boyz and Warbosses to make up the difference. They wound everything with dakka and can take some tank bustas hidden amongst da ladz to krump tanks.What a fucking joke that would be. Also my evergreen comparison to Guardian Defenders where you would have the same points cost, same number of models, no invuln, no lethals, T3, but a whole +1" move AND one single weapons platform, all while hitting on 4+ with nu-coverThe new psycher rules better be fucking rad for psycher races, or this game is going to just be orks vs marines forever.
>>98506148Steel Legion. Its whats for lunch.
>>98506848Don’t worry 5 Striking Scorpions will still only be 15 points less than them.
>>98506844keep huffing the hopium
>>98506853I'm too blackpilled to tell if you're kidding, but >5s to woundLol, lmaoI knew Eldar were supposed to be the underdog race, but this is getting silly
>>98506852>where are the steel legion Not until 2028 at least.Fucking guardfags bullied gw into releasing concept art years early, and they still aren't happy.
>>98506676>>98506737YES FINALLY >>98506796Shut the FUCK up, let me have this
>>98506848What's that you said? You want Guardians to have something nice to bring them in line with 11th Boyz? >You can have a 6++ and a second weapons platform per squadThat'll be 60 more points per Guardian unit thank you very much.
>>98506854Mate the exact same thing happened with land raiders.
>>98506864The moment they do this I'll have 20 intercessors/tacticals and 2 rhinos as the core of every single list.
>>98506865*Upgrade kit for additional Weapons Platform sold separately
>>98506861I’m actually not, 5 Striking Scorpions are 75 points.
>>98506811>increase total revenue by decreasing price slightlyThey have an entire department dedicated to market researchThey arent pricing willy nillyAccording to their internal algorithm/research their prices are optimized
Rhino capacity surely comes down to 7 if they let 32&40mm bases inside. It's smaller than the Impulsor which only has a bigger firing deck to recommend it.
>>98506799>90pts for all that powerso (storm)guardians are going to 50/60pts, right james? RIGHT?
>>98506875Fuck yeah, I can fit half my 1000 point list into a single rhino. hopefully this happening means the Impulsor finally gets a buff, I have a soft spot for my NOTbradley
>>98506882Anon rhinos already carry 12 32mm bases for every single chaos army. They are not gonna make the transport capacity smaller that would defeat the entire point of the unit.
>>98506879I know, they're just so ass. Aspects are not cut out for modern 40k at T3 W1. Wow, 5++!! You still get one use out of them and they just die to anything.
>>98506861Imo eldar should probably be s4 baseline.Players are expecting them to go toe to toe with space marines but be slightly flimsierEvery melee unit has a bonus to strength just to make it possible to use them anyway.Minimal gameplay implicationsMakes elves notably superior to baseline half starved humans subsisting on corpse starch.There isn't a S4/T3 factionDark Eldar are drug addicts, I don't care if they're s3 and neither do the crackheads but if they are s4 it probably wouldn't do much for anyone other than wyches
>>98506885Actually our balance team realized Storm Guardians have sticky objectives and decided they need a points hike to reflect their powerful special rule.
>>98506882Impulsors can die in a fire for all I care.
>>98506888Internal balance matters more than what different armies get to do with the same model. You can't have the cheapest vehicle available have the smallest footprint and the highest capacity with no restrictions and downsides. GW won't want to stop selling Impulsors and Repulsors to keep the ancient Rhino kit moving.
>>98506890>Imo eldar should probably be s4 baseline.I love your idea and your logic, but for balance's sake we've had to increase the points cost of all Eldar infantry by 1.5x to reflect their new base S value.
>>98506893>GW won't want to stop selling Impulsors and Repulsors to keep the ancient Rhino kit moving.Who the fuck are you? GW does as it pleases, not what you dictate.
>>98506893Just mark up the rhino a few more dollars anon! It's not like half the new players even own them.
>>98506863>bullied GWThe alternative was no Steel Legion at all. Did you not read the original justification they gave after the Return to Armageddon video? Pic related, they wanted to squat the Steel Legion.>still aren't happyBecause GW, in their infinite wisdom, decided in the writer's room to go "let's go back to Armageddon" and then had that made up with marketing material and boxes and their contents designed for it, and then intentionally sidelined and tried to get rid of the guard regiment whose name is on the fucking box.It's like if we got a starter box with "Chogoris" in big text on it and it contained Raven Guard and Tau fighting it out, and the pre-release marketing video for this hypothetical Chogoris box featured Blood Angels, Raven Guard and Marines Malevolent, with no mention of the White Scars at all. And then a few days afterwards, when WS players start asking "hey why are there no White Scars on their homeworld?," GW puts out a shitty excuse saying they're in such small numbers due to combat as to not really exist as a tangible force anymore.>>98506881Yet they continually have an upward trend of profit YOY since 2024 at the earliest and are continually able to give direct salary bonuses to ALL employees (not pay raises, an end-of-year lump sum).I think their MSRP is artificially inflated with a very large profit margin, that's all.
>>98506893First, everyone that wants an impulsor already has one and now there's tens of thousands of primarisfag new players that don't own a single rhino. Second, having a cheap transport to carry a full squad is the entire point of the rhino. Repulsors still have a niche since rhinos won't fit gravis or terminators and impulsors have a bigger fire deck though realistically they should be phobos exclusive.
>>98506844Lady Malys...
>>98506897Understandable anon. Have you considered also reducing their weapon skill or ballistic skill? They have really high base stats for a xenos race and it's making Timmy anxious about how well his space marines will do against them next game.
>>98506903Yes GW is doing well financially
Given nobz are 3 wounds surely they take up 2 transport slots now
>>98506906She got released. What's your point?
>>98506889Aspects should all be 2 wounds nowFight me
>>98506921Only if we had 30k wound counts as a standard.
Do any of the new datasheets have rerolls on them? If not is this the edition where we finally see the end of it?
>DoW4 delayed until DecemberOof. Orkbros getting snubbed.
>>98506890Deldar are canonically stronger than craftworlders. They have no psychic powers so they compensate with physical ability.
>>98506529the skulls look like truck nuts hehe
>>98506929>Do any of the new datasheets have rerolls on them?Yup, plenty.>If not is this the edition where we finally see the end of it?I'm sorry anon. By all previews, we're going right back to 9th edition reroll hell.
>>98506921>aspects go to 2W >to reflect this huge survivability boost, the points cost of all aspects will doubled>also exarchs stay at 2W and are forced to take melee loadouts
>>98506937I fucking hate marines so much its unreal
>>98506937>Yup, plenty.From the ork codex? I've not seen any.
are the magnet baron posable flight stands worth it?
>>98506931>vidya*farts*
Since it feels like there's a few Eldarfags in here, how would (you) buff data sheets since it seems like everything is going to get stat boosts? You guys have said higher S for some weapons profiles but I feel like it would be better for Aspects and other specialized units to have (anti X 3+) to keep them more specialized vs a general buff to S. I also think Eldar in general are far too squishy (and I will include all other T3 armies) even with the new cover/hidden rules, because everyone has way too easy access to ignores cover, re-roll all hits, etc. > Faction wide "hit rolls made against infantry and mounted units in cover/hidden/stealth cannot be re-rolled or modified while still retaining the benefits of cover/hidden/stealth. Ignore rules that ignore this rule (lol back to 9th)". I feel like that would be a fluffy way to increase their durability by showing how slippery they are beyond just giving them a better save or another wound or more T. There's lots of ways already to give your units cover/hidden/stealth already outside of just being in actual terrain which is fitting I think.
>>98506932You're not wrong but I mostly said that because I haven't played DE in 10th and was only thinking about CWE and Harlies when I came up with the idea. It would probably be fine since wyches get +1s as a combat drug sometimes anyway.Let me think....incubi are s4+ anyway, wracks are s4 and have poisonKabalites are guardsmen and don't get fix bayonets or anything wild, plus Sergeants have venom blades...Angoniser is poison...Yeah it should be fine.
>>98506942marinechads stay winning
>>98506932That's true, would be fitting to have them get T4 or 2W, maybe not army wide but definitely should be able to give certain units that.
>>98506931I saw thatUsually not a good signThere were some issues apparently whatever man we still got tabletopKill team is where its at
>>98506937do you really think somebody would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
>>98506921Increase their invuln against shooting or melee, depending on the aspect. Dire Avengers thing could be that it's both.
>>98506963I like that in 30k the standard is still 1 wound but veterans get 2.
>>98506953I felt like Strands of Fate was a good, fluffy way of improving the actual effectiveness of Eldar units without resorting to stat padding or wound inflation. It's just so unfortunate that the mechanic was designed so shittily it could be abused to make an Avatar immortal or D-Cannons into 'delete this unit from existence' when it should have been a way of making Guardians and Aspects pull their weight despite the odds.
>>98506953Marines and other armies have totally eaten into the "speedy glass cannon" archetype James was trying to push. Not to mention that due to stat bloat everything is too tough too fast and too strong for Eldar to even be considered glass cannons. They're just glass now.Even if you tried to push this again I don't think it would work. Really we just need psychic phase back. Maybe a new army rule.
Rerolls should be limited to strats only. It should be considered a treat to be able reroll something, not a standardised thing that's on so many datasheets. I'm glad they fucked off rerolls during overwatch
>>98506987Stratagems shouldn't exist period.
Tau codex when? I want to know if I can skip this edition as well.
>>98506999trips of truthall stratagems do is force you to carry around a deck of cards and slow down the game with obnoxious rerolls. Remove stratagems and all re-roll special rules
>>98507004>tau playerPlease do!
>>98506985With the seeming level of power creep and GW's historical ability to balance Eldar, I'm sure we can expect something ridiculous come the Codex.
>>98506953Eldar having strong rules to compensate for a mediocre Statline is fine up to a point but the problem is that statlines only go up whereas rules come and go and there's been a lot of edition creep.Marines are W2 now. They aren't losing that. Assault cannons aren't going back to 4 shots. At some point you have to just ask for stats because the rules keep yoyoing out of existence and either being useless or completely breaking the game.So your fix might be good for 11th, but then you need a new rule for 12th, and then a different one for 13th.Armywide fire and fade used to be a thingFate dice used to be a thingArmywide rending used to be a thingYnnari's death trigger used to give you an entire extra Phase of your choice on the unit getting soulbursted instead of being useless trash -oh and it was army wide too!
>>98506985You could give Craftworld Eldar Strands of Fate back in its unnerfed form and they'd probably still be low end in 11th
>>98507009We need the tau, they're a containment race. Just like the space wolves are a containment chapter.
>>98506999That too, id be happy to see that shit go as well
>>98507015>Armywide fire and fade used to be a thing>Fate dice used to be a thing>Armywide rending used to be a thing>Ynnari's death trigger used to give you an entire extra Phase of your choice on the unit getting soulbursted instead of being useless trash -oh and it was army wide too!Give Eldar back all those things and they'll still get bodied by 11th Boyz
>>98506999Damn this thread is dropping truth nukes all over the place
>>98506953I don't even know at this point. The Anti-X fix might help, but we are just so damn squishy. I often don't bother rolling at this point if the day is getting long, since everything dies to everything. If we're never getting stat deflation again, make Shuriken weapons AP-2 minimum across the board, Storm Guardians get S4 A3 AP-1 melee, Defenders get S5 A3 on their catapults, and give us an army rule psychic phase. Those changes without any points increases would make them almost right, a little on the weak side.I DID manage to tie up a Baneblade with a unit of Rangers at the last game I played, however. 5++ against a full salvo from him, he missed his melees, and I just kept falling back into cover. He spent 3 full turns trying to wipe that unit of 5 stealthy boys.
>>98507038>I DID manage to tie up a Baneblade with a unit of Rangers at the last game I played, however. 5++ against a full salvo from him, he missed his melees, and I just kept falling back into cover. He spent 3 full turns trying to wipe that unit of 5 stealthy boys.Holy mother of Solid motherfucking Snake
When they hand out stat buffs, what should they do to differentiate Eldar and DEldar more so they're not just glass canon and glassier canon?
>Saber CEO brazenly confirms they've been using AI for their writing and game development>This means SM2 was likely made with AI 'assistance' without disclosing it>GW has been vehemently anti-AI for Warhammer mediaSpace Marine 3's dead now, isn't it?
>>98506999I just want the game to be heavier on universal rules and lighter on MTG-tier combosRemove stragegems. Strip all of the abilities off of everything but maybe HQs. Make shooting more complex than "haha I can see 2mm of one model's base and ignore cover, prepare to have the entire squad wiped!"
>>98506999This. Either it's a wargear, a special rule, or it's the OG stratagems for special scenarios.
>>98507061Deldar get significantly more Movement and Attacks on average because they're shanky boys and girls with faster reaction speeds due to combat drugs, while Celdar get higher raw S/T thanks to still having their psychic powers (and if we don't get a psychic phase, then fuck it, just make the old Warlock buff spells part of their statblocks by default).
>>98507008>all stratagems do is force you to carry around a deck of cardsnogames
>>98507068I didn't even finish SM2, I don't understand how people can like this parry game disguised as a TPS.
>>98507061In 5e Grotesques had 3Ld and had to roll a d6 to avoid committing suicide on a roll of 1 if they had no hq leading them. That was funny but I thought de/cwe already had a good differenceDE have poison rifles E have armor piercingOpen topped vs closed topHigh t/sv vs paper mache boats5+/6+ armor vs 3-5+ armor.Gets stronger as the game progresses vs static power level.
>>98507090>he read his stratagems out of the codexthat's even worse
>>98507061Nothing, they should be no more different than space marine chapters.
>>98507099as I said, nogames
>>98507111Ah yes, Mr. "I memorized every stratagem in the game, in every codex" graces us with his presence again
>>98507102I mean they're already more unique than space marine chapters. Clearly that doesn't move models.
>>98506953>anti-x on aspects to help them against their intended target>army wide fire and fade, maybe some other movement tech in addition>army wide 6+ invuln to shooting to simulate eldar super reflexes and futuresight>increased movement so they aren't slower than fucking orks>guardians get better rules>psychic phase for eldar>new army rule or buff agile maneuvers, only one worth anything is the immunity to overwatch>sustained hits on shuriken catapults, half range gives lethal hits instead>singing spears buffed to AP-1 in melee and shooting>wraithguard price decrease, wraithguard regain reactive shooting ability when shot >wraithblades get S8, AP-3, 3+ invuln with axe and shield, swords get 8 attacks and cleave to help with blendering.
>>98507090NTA but cards aside, I just don't want to be forced to track a metacurrency in a wargame. It's just mental baggage I don't want.
>>98507090>>98507111>thing sucks>NO GAME NOMODELS SECONDARY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>98507111nah that shit is gay
I have a fully painted kill team am I allowed to post here now
>>98507123https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writing
>>98507122Wraithblades should be competitive with terminators - especially since terminators have a free delivery method and wraithguard don't. Especially in this edition where they need an HQ escort to avoid 'tarding out.
>>98506987>I'm glad they fucked off rerolls during overwatchA shame they kept rerollable charges during heroic intervention & extended the range of it to 12" so they can fish for lucky charges on MY turn for a chance to decidedly swing an important fight their way. Which is exactly how I lost my fucking game last night when my opponent free rerolled a heroic intervention & rolled the 11" he needed the second time
I like orks :D>>98506363I’ve posted here for years, but my first orks were painted in july of last year, and I’ve taken long repeated breaks since then. granted, that’s probably still slow improvement, but I’m having fun the entire way :D
>>98507139You were always allowed to post here. Don't let the faggots deflect from their retarded opinions by invoking their own made up rules.
>>98507139depends, are you able to post them?
>>98507139Hell yeah
>>98507142Everyone tracks their CP with a dice. That's not the point. The point is that on top of every other consideration in a wargae, positioning, target priority, planning, range, etc I also have to keep in mind my plan for stratagems and I don't like it.
>>98507149based fun-haver
>>98506133Collage entry going smoothly
>>98507167from the thumbnail it kinda looks like a Wraithguard doing a spread eagle
>>98507155Skill issue.
>>98507155ThisHes just shitposting btw you can stop giving him (you)s and simply take solace in how correct you are
>>98507122>>98507144The Wraith-Termie comparison is apt, since they're the hardiest infantry Eldar can field and it's just ridiculous how much worse Wraiths are in comparison. for 30 points more, you get a better BS, LD, deepstrike, and no need to pick either shooting or melee to be good at.
ayo this nigga name "corn" lmao
>>98506697goffs are naturally a no go for /40kg/ because they’re the posterboys which leaves klans that have a distinct gimmick >bad moons using heavy dakka/machinery >evil sunz using vehicles>blood axes using stealth and tactics>snakebites using squigs and being generally low tech then you have deathskulls who’s gimmick is getting in the fight fast, stealing equipment, and being superstitious all of which makes them very flexible with how you want to use them. >have them be footsloggers running into the fight fast like goffs>have them use their facepaints and superstition to be a little more tribal like snakebites>have them use stealth and tactics to loot more easily loot like blood axes>have them use (stolen) machinery like evil sunz and bad moons
>>985071552 biggest issues with stratagems are that GW locks core unit functionality behind them and the "gotcha" element but the gotcha element usually only lasts a couple games for the niche stratagems.
>>98507184best way to improve wraithguard melee is to just give them AP-1 and maybe an extra attack. They already punch at S5 with 3 attacks, but adding some AP will help them with the clap back until they get the chance to use war construct to fallback and shoot.
>>98507203or they're just legitimately terrible. Killteam 1e gave Orkz a 2CP stratagem to reroll a single charge, whereas Harlequins had a 1CP stratagem to treat charge dice as if 6s had been rolled.
>>98507214thats more a balance thing but yeah
>>98506846Glad you caught that
>lol iron handsHowever shit like the iron warriors CP now goes for 250 gucks, fuck you gw for not making more of these
>>98507149Wait so you were ritual posting for years and you had no models? Wonder if the deldar poster has no models
>>98507265Alot of people here just like 40k but arent into modeling
>>98507196You forgot FREEBOOTAZ
>>98507211I like that, but I want all Wraiths to have Fearless again, so auto-pass Ld checks, and/or Wraithblades make anyone in contact need to make a Battleshock test. You want to have them Take and Hold, but they only get 1 OC unless you use a strategem, which is ridiculous.
>>98507265Shitposting is 4chan culture. Suck it nerd.
>>98507214There are several okay reasons for this starting with the fact that clowns cost an arm and a leg for 5 dudes with t3 4+ saves but your overall point is accurate.>>98507211They have to take axes to get an invuln and the axes are worse than power fists lol.Is S5 even good right now? Aren't boys rocking T5? I feel like 40ppm units should be a bit better?Oops just checked they nerfed wraithblades to 140 for 5. Right. Just make them cheaper.
>>98507272if you come here and have no models I feel sorry for you
>>98507281What if I have models but just like shitposting?
>>98507242kek based
>>98506133might finish all the weapons and head options in next week or two
>>98507281Some people just chillin and chattin about 40k man Im cool with it
>>98507275is that wraithknight using part of a stormbird's chassis as a sword to bust the other ones or is he just slapping the shit out of them?
>>98507281I come here and have no models
haha naked apes go splat
>>98507295god damn that shit look hard
>>98507298Watch Eva to find out
>>98507303What the hell you waitin for son?
Tau are gay
>>98507068I mean using AI is a broad termn especially in videogames. AI can be used for spell and grammar check. Enemies always have been using AI in almost any type of game
>>98507281A friend of mine enjoys modeling and I dont so he just assembles and paints my armies for me lol
>>98507274I did not! its just freebooterz aren’t an actual klan with a color scheme, but rather is an umbrella term from anything like bad moonz banned for being flashy, snakebite genestealer cultists, or khorne stormboyz, so they were much harder to pin down. deathskulls does have one of the pirate freebooterz gimmicks down as well>have them be goodie snatching thieves like freebooterz
>>98507321trying to lurk moar and actually learn the rules to the game before I commit to dropping a grand plus on a new hobby
>>98507344You can get into this shit cheaper than that my godAnd you shouldJust buy like a combat patrol for whatever faction aesthetically appeals to you the most and see if you even enjoy assembling and painting shit first
>>98507330why do u feel that way, gue'la ?
>>98507339>freebootaz aren't a klanOh ye ya git n who died n made you the big boss of deciding wots a klan and wot isn't?
Is there anything more contemptible than the TTS player who has played hundreds of games and intimately knows the meta of a dozen armies and yet does not own a single model?Can you imagine liking 40k ONLY for the trash gameplay we all merely tolerate to have an excuse to play space army men with?
>>98507350>Just buy like a combat patrol for whatever faction aesthetically appeals to you the most and see if you even enjoy assembling and painting shit firstThis, but also don't buy the overpriced GW tools. There's plenty of better quality and cheaper stuff out there. GW paint is okay for starters, and their primers are also good.
>>98507359If you like modeling thats great but you obsess over it to such a degree that you come off as unlikeableI dont give a shit what other people do at all
>>98507350but when I spend large amounts of money on bullshit it temporarily fills the void in my soul where a wife and kids and religion and stuff is supposed to go
>>98507371you do you brother
>people don't want the squigga boyz if it's Buy It Now for 50 bucks>they will bid this shit up to 80 bucks, however
>>98507350If you're still on the "see if you like assembling/painting" phase, don't even do thatBuy a single vehicle/big model that's in the $60-100 range that you think looks cool and would be a starting point for an army. Like Morvenn for Sisters, a Rogal Dorn or Leman Russ for guard, shit like that.
>>98507359>Is there anything more contemptible than the TTS playerIt's not the same hobby, anon. Why waste any brain activity thinking about homosexuals playing a video game?
>stormboyz totally out of stock>no proof they're being refreshed thoughthanks I guess
>>98507383I figure having multiple small models gives a beginner more attempts to make mistakes and learn fromIf you fuck up on your one model its gonna feel pretty shitty
>>98506917After more than a year of her spoiling. They remained silent all this time
>>98507398I started writing that thinking of just tanks, Imperium vehicles (and therefore their chaos counterparts) are incredibly easy to build because they're all big and blocky with very few (if any) fiddly bits. The only frustrating thing in a Leman Russ kit is putting the tracks together if you have butterfingers, for example.I don't know why I even mentioned Morvenn in that post, she's fiddly and annoying and I would never in a million years suggest anyone pick Sisters as their first army.Painting big things is also just easier than painting small things. But I will give you cleaning up paint errors on small models, it's easier to have a smaller jar of alcohol to strip acrylic paint/primer than a big tub for something like a tank.
>>98507332He bragged about how they fired a writer and replaced her with AI.
>>98507447Good. Professional artists need a reality check about how much their skills are actually worth. If you can be replaced by a machine, you deserve to be replaced by a machine.
>>98507419It was only like 6 months
>>98506689How expensive of an endeavor would it be to make firstborn intercessors, hellblasters, etc. with HH sets?
>>98507419That's still nothing like what they've done with the firstborn tanks so I don't get what's the point supposed to be.
>>98507479>t. hylic retard
>>98507491Way cheaper than buying the actual 40k kits but at the same time, you can only really make intercessors, hellblasters, desolation and infernus because all the other weapons are gravis or don't exist.
>>98507009t. tertiary that never played a proper 40k edition
>>98507479SM2's story being written by an AI instead of a person would actually be a good explanation for why it was so abhorrently dogshit.
>>98507447>her
I have a game vs. Blood Angels tomorrow as GSC, it's going to be Take & Hold vs. Purge and I'm scared.
>>98507510Just do your best anonIll be rooting for you
>>98507505Pretty sure a troon wrote it, though I might be misremembering
>>98507497They also have assault jetpackers in the HH line, right?Between HH firstborn proxied as intercessors and whatnot, rhino-chassis vehicles, and terminators how passable a list could I slap together?
>>98507510It shouldn't be too bad if you have goliaths to hide your dudes in- the important thing to remember is even if like 2 or 3 guys live from a unit they'll wipe an entire unit of meta, so overcommit to trades or you'll just lose all your shit anyway
>>98507510Either the GSC player is good and going to tear you a new asshole or he's mid and you're going to be mildly annoyed at the shenanigans. Good luck anon.
>>98507526Yeah and funnily enough 30k assault marines cost literally half per model compared to assault intercessors.
>>98507447>herThe story may be shit because it's boring, but it could have been shit because it's garbage
>>98506133why is your squig black?anyway, only had a short break, so I wasn’t able to do much, but I got done building the tactical marine and digging through my minis to see which ork would be best to execute him. which do you think looks better for the marine? >hand still gripping power sword >hand dropped bolter as it was sliced off
>>98507522Nah the troon was the one just fired with the credit of "additional writing" on a team of like ~10 writers.
>>98507548Anon you can't just ask boyz why they are black.
>>98507541>30k assault marines cost literally half per model compared to assault intercessorsPfffft.I have a squad of terminators, a kitbashed termie chapter master, and a lot of beakies from the HH age of darkness box, so maybe I'll put them all to use and start a long-term project if I decide to not buy into TOW at some point.
>GW has "new releases" for guard>go check what the are>they just made separate pages for each Baneblade variant vehicle that all say you're buying a Baneblade kit
Where do I start to read knight lore
>>98507626Gee anon I don't know that's a tough one
>>98507657Aren’t the codexes oop
>>98507666Find them on ebay or some hobby retailer that has old backstock if you want a hard copy, or just pirate it, I can give you a perfect scan right now.
>>98507626>>98507666Heregofile dot io slash d slash IQqzKTLd
>>98507666You can pick up old codexes on Amazon for a pittance.
If Orkz are supposedly based on english football hooligans, does that mean they have loud chants like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo0_xqpzzPY ?Because i can't imagine Orkz chanting like spectators since all boyz should be krumpin together
>>98507744This nigga has never heard of ERE WE GO, ERE WE GO, ERE WE GO CROSS DA KOSMOS. ERE WE GO, ERE WE GO, ERE WE GO, THROO INFINITY.
>>98507744How new are you to 40k?
I'm torn between death guard and astra millitarum. Which would anons here choose between those for a first army?
>>98507744They literally used to have rules to chant to power up the Weirdboy back when the game was SOVL and not faggot tournament trash.
>>98507557>10 writers wtf I just thought SM2 was written to be boring on purpose so it wouldn't scare normalfags away.
>>98507773I would pick death guard personallyEasy to paint easy to play, look cooler to me personallyPlus chaos is just fun
>>98507773The one you like better. But death guard is lower model count to paint, easier to paint, cheaper to collectz and easier to play.
>>98507773>astra millitarumAstra Mili-what? You're in the Guard, son.
>>98507578My entire army uses the 30k models. Problem is the squatting of stuff like devastators and gravis being unrpoxyable.
>>98507773Death Guard have a great Combat Patrol box and are a lot easier to paint/get started with.
I'm new, but I heard about Christmas Battle Force boxes GW does every year. Wondering in advance how hard is it to snag one online, where to prowl? Was thinking of slowly painting my Ork starter set over the months, then getting that discount set when it launches (I assume Orks will be one of the armies that get one since they are the 2nd headliner faction this edition with new stuff, no?)
>>98507773Death Guard is cheaper to reach point values (because you have to buy less total boxes of models) and is more straightforward "fun" in the sense that you're still playing space marines at the end of the day. Far more beginner friendly even if painting internal organs and buboes is a bit of a ball-ache.Imperial Guard (fuck "Astra Militarum") is the way that history autists play 40k. The "traditional guard power fantasy" of tanks and infantry in a combined arms mass assault is nowhere near the optimal play right now though. Not a great starter army, very good as a 2nd one though.>t. I started with Guard in 5th edition
>>98507788>>98507798>>98507830Cool, but I'm not sure about the easier to paint thing. The marines are really detailed, much moreso than normal space marines. But I like that, I want a challenge to paint.
Did decal every paint up a destrier
>>98507857I did not sadly
>>98507768New enough that any time i hear anybody calling them hooligans makes me second guess, but old enough into 40k to know the gargantuan amount of retcons, rehauls and reworks to the setting that Orkz being football blokes feels like 1st edition remnants like Jokaeros
>>98507857Sadly he ran out of decal sheets and old coffee and as such had to take an emotional emergency break from painting.
>>98507842>Imperial Guard (fuck "Astra Militarum") is the way that history autists play 40k.I am of the opinion that every single faction is more fun when you treat it like a history autist. Especially if you paint like a historical model.
>>98507867did you get it out of your system with that stale unfunny joke bud?
>>98507883Permanent is Permanent.
>>98506612Dakka is considered an offering to Gork and Mork, and they reward their supplicants by occasionally making the bullets actually do something.
>>98507869I agree to a certain degree. I'd agree on>make the vehicles look lived in and the guys look like they're actually on a battlefieldbut I'd disagree on>make sure every single minute detail is directly copied out of some official photo or manualsolely because I greatly enjoy playing /mydudes/ and replicating out of a book isn't possible there. I do paint them up thinking about how they'd look operating in-field and their considerations, or shading/painting "wear" on vehicles based on how I'd do rust/mud/dust/snow on my historical display vehicles or historical game models.
I like the heavy bolt pistol
>>98507898>make sure every single minute detail is directly copied out of some official photo or manualNot necessary.
Fixes for Eldar.>All kinds of eldar (craftworld and dark) are now 50% faster than marine equivalents rounded down.>basic infantry move 9", jump infantry move 18", etc.>Craftworld army rule is a free 6" move after activating a unit during your turn. Yes this means you can charge, make your melee attacks and leave combat before the enemy even gets to swing back though your still obeying alternating activations so you can't protect all your units at the same time. Also each unit can only make 1 battle focus move a turn.>DE army rule is just that the whole army always counts as hidden. Instead of revealing them as normal shooting just increases enemy detection range by 6" when targetting the unit that attacked. This stacks every time you activate them but resets if they go a round without shooting. Mandrakes can only be detected by enemy units within 6" base because fuck you.There you go. Both Eldar kinds are still T3 W1 chumps who die to guardsmen bayonets but now the gameplan is to literally never even be in a position where the enemy is allowed to attack you at all. Play like a complete piece of shit and make everyone hate you elfags.
>>98507908
Eldar should get primaris'd, Primaris Aspect warriors that are better than before
>>98507901I don't. Just like the bolt rifle it's a superflous weapon that doesn't need to exist and needlesly changes the shape and proportion of a weapon that had been consistent for decades. Just make bolt pistols AP-1 like they should have been since 8th. Plenty of other AP5 weapons got AP-1 in the translation. Or better yet, go back to the old AP system so that armour can actually mean something.
>>98507901special issue heavy bolt pistol for me
>>98507908god I wish we got forgeworld eldar models in plastic, so much awesome shit lost because GW couldn't be assed.
>>98507920You should get a fusion gun to the groin
>>98507928I want GW to release shadow spectres and the Lynx in plastic.
Eldar should get a customizable Farseer model that comes with options for large breast and bare feet.This will surely fix Eldar as a faction.
>>98507928The cancelling of Imperial Armour and culling of Forgeworld are a tragedy. It will always remain as peak 40k to me.
>>98507941It would sure as shit fix me.
>>98507901Did they finally turn that thing back into a heavy bolt pistol?
>>98507863Orks loving violence is directly tied to their inspiration of hooligans, bikers, barbarians, mongols, nazis, etc. So the chanting is understandable as it's tied to these inspirations.>>98507901For me it's the bolt revolver
>>98507843Theyre detailed, but because they are death guard they are literally supposed to look like shitSo when you, as a beginner, inevitably don’t think your paints enough and cover them in thick gloppy dogshit, they look fine because they are supposed to be covered in thick gloppy dogshit anyway lol
>>98507834Yeah, Orks will definitely get a Christmas box this year and they're usually good value. Don't know where to suggest looking online I usually buy them in person at my LGS.
>>98507984*thin your paints
>>98507920They tried that with Ynnari Eldar, but dropped the idea before they got official in Ynneaded models of all the Khainites
>>98507548Oh le ecks dee another ork fan i see :DD XD
>>98507843>I want a challenge to paint.100% Death Guard, every Plague Marine has a unique sculpt, Astra are only hard to paint because you have to paint so many.
>>98507923I agree with the rifle 100% but the heaby pistol and the carbines all serve a purpose
>>98507773Whatever faction you decide, get the Kill Team first, NOT the Combat Patrol. That lets you see how much you actually enjoy -painting- that faction's minis before you commit 150+ bucks. They are fully playable in 40k as well.Helpfully, the Kill Team starter set right now is Death Guard vs. Space Marines, so you can see how much you enjoy painting Chaos trim. If vanilla Space Marines doesn't interest you, you can sell them, split em with a buddy or just use them to practice your painting. Worse case scenario and you hate painting both factions, you still have two full Kill Teams and the terrain for it. Vs. being stuck with a half-painted Combat Patrol box that you have to put on Ebay.Imperial Guard has a whole host of Kill Teams if you go that route. Imperial Navy Breachers and Ratling Snipers are the weird, quirky options. Kasrkin and Spectre Squad (the new guys) lets you practice on painting Cadians, which are the standard (unfortunately). If you're going the opposite direction for infantry, there's a Kill Team for the Death Korp as well. Spectre Squad comes in a box that also features the Red Terror (Tyranid monster) that you can easily flip or use in the single-player "boss" mode for Kill Team.
>>98507548>why is your squig black?Bro you can't just ask someone that...
The reason the votann kind of suck is thisVery little of their art- their conception- is Last Stand battle pieces.New gw corposlop art just has them standing around, or sending out their floating tanks to do stuff. The Squats were cool because early 40k was cool with standing their ground at their Stronghold for their clan against scremaing green nig- well anyway you get it. Votann are just kind of "there"
>>98507863>but old enough into 40k to know the gargantuan amount of retcons, rehauls and reworks to the settingThere aren't really as many as people make it out like there is.
>>98507773>>98508008Astra militarum CP is actually cheaper on ebay because no one wants the fucking space horses lolDG CP is much better since it has muhreens, behicle (GW purged most behicles), terminators and two characters (since they are a bitch to collect separately).
>>98508008Don't ask me why I thought Imperial Navy Breachers was an IG Kill Team, they are in the Imperial Agents ghetto and should NOT be taken unless you you really love their team specifically.. I was thinking of Tempestus Aquilons (Stormtroopers with parachutes).
>>98508007What purpose? Carbines are statwise even closer to regular boltguns. They do nothing that boltguns shouldn't be doing already. Heavy bolt pistols also do not serve a different role to regular bolt pistols, that single pip of AP on a 1 shot S4 D1 pistol is meaningless and they give heavy bolt pistols to every unit that's actually gonna use pistols anyways.
>>98507773Oh but Guard is very regiment-focusedYou missed the MTO run for Steel Legion, but Guard has>Attilan Rough RidersIn the CP, from planet mongolia. Could potentially be converted into Tallarnians, from planet Arabia.>Cadiansmost generic space guys>catachansFrom planet rambo, need a refresh, have cool guys>kriegRefreshed last year, new stuff, from planet French Nazis, dig trenches and do defensive warfare.>ScionsThe elite, drawn from many worlds, used to be their own mini-army like harlequins>other regimentsValhallansElysiansMordiansetc.They don't have their own regiments and shit because gw doesn't give a fuck even to give them upgrade kits.But since most guard armies are tankspam anyway you could do these guys and then buy 3rd party bits for your small number of infantry men.>>98507949Jes hates mymara and the spectre aspest>>98507834>onlineLocal LGS with preorder discounts and no online store are usually the easiest way to get one.
What if Orkz got the primaris treatment, would they be called primorkz?
>>98508026The reason Votann suck is because they put a bunch of ugly bulldyke womyn with no beards in there. That's it, that's the entire fucking problem. Dwarves are supposed to be toxic male chud coded. They made them a bunch of fucking ugly nigger lesbians. NO ONE asked for this.
>>98508026I feel like they haven't done anything interesting with them yet. They feel a little like they go against 40k as a setting but that's probably because they've done little with them.
Speaking of mymeara how would one go about doing the hazard gear cadians with the new kit? I've found stls of the new helmet scale and design with the rebreather but the chest cables and tank backpacks are gonna be a pain with the new bodies that don't have separate torsos.
>>98508065Nobz are already Primaris Orks
>>98508065They would be not just XD but XDDDD
>>98508085But Nobz would also be given the primaris treatment, anon.
>>98507510How the fuck do i play gsc? I dont really know anyone who plays them
>>98508079this is reflected in their art>votann guy standing around looking at rocks or somethingvs.>a bunch of squats doing a last stand against orks
Nobz have 3W now, that sounds very primarisy
>>98508081Jes hates these too
>>98508081>how would one go about doing the hazard gear cadians with the new kit?Just go and find 3rd party legs and arms for the bits.
>>98508107Why's that?
>>98508118Just found a dude in the purple site that made a conversion kit that's compatible with the new kit. Gotta find some guardsmen...
>>98508079>They feel a little like they go against 40k as a settingDisagree I think they actually fill a much needed niche, actually several niches at once. In terms of the general lore and worldbuilding of the Votann I think GW did an amazing job, they just dropped the ball in two areas:>minis should look a bit more rugged and beardy>get the woke femoid shit out of thereThe female models literally murdered their sales prospects.
>>98508068The reason Votann suck is that "autist technocrats with sticky fingers" is a niche already taken by AdMech (and done way better).Dwarves are usually the conservative/capitalist faction yeah. Late-Late-LATE stage capitalism would have been an interesting concept, especially as a foil/frenemy to the commie Tau like some of the Demiurg lore hinted at. I can respect that they didn't want to just make them the DeepRock Galactic faction. Even though that would have been way more interesting than a bunch of soulless clones.
>>98507869If you haven't even given the considerations of How does your army doctrinally perform on the battlefield, or what are their logistics. Then you don't actually care about your army.
What marine kit would be great for making dead bodies?
>>98508140>DeepRock Galactic factionLeague Deep Rock actually exists btw.Im neutral on most of their visuals but 1 - gingers. it's always a fucking ginger with some trashy haircut that doesn't even fit their seemingly most common skin color of black, hence i don't use cthonians and helmets go on wherever i can
>>98508146space wolves
>>98508154I mean which models specifically
>>98506084>TQI can't do swarm armies with lots of models. It's expensive, a chore to assemble and paint, and not fun to play with because your movement phases become an hour of you fiddling with your 100 little dudes. I'm somewhat glad the meta shifted back to big dudes and characters. I play nids and have always leaned towards monsterspam for this reason.
Has anyone here had much success with stacking hit modifiers in game? Cover + magus or jackal alphus debuff, etc
>>98508159The nude ones.
>>98508179That looks a bit large for a space wolf.
spilled my shade paint again
THE RACE IS YOUNG, VIGOROUS, AND TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED.......
>>98508140>The reason Votann suck is that "autist technocrats with sticky fingers" is a niche already taken by AdMech (and done way better).There's almost no overlap between them and AdMech, are you high? AdMech are baroque creepy body horror cyborg religious zealots in robes with censers and skulls on everything, Votann are Space Dorfs with corporate mining colony moonbuggy NASA space force aesthetic and nordic runes. One has skittering multi-legged spider-tanks and the other has huge rolling wheeled land rovers. One has everyone's faces replaced with almost insectile gas masks and multi-lensed goggles and the other they have bubble helmets and fleshy faces with beards. The AdMech hate and despise AI, the Votann's entire civilization is built around it (that's what a Votann is). The differences just go on and on.
>>98508046It makes sense for sneaky marines to have a versatile lightweight alternative to the bolter and it makes sense for your next generation assault marines to have a heavier middle ground between the bolt pistol and bolter since they're not using jump packs. The gear itself makes sense even if GW insists on making it boring.
Is the Getting started set for Orks gonna be the mainstay combat patrol this edition or will they get a second one later?
>>98508144>logistics*teleports behind you*heh... nothing personnel, monkeigh
>>98508203Hell yeah, Fire Warrior!
what's the difference between the regular plastic wraithknight and the forgeworld skathatch wraithknight?
>>98508247Different unit, Skat-Knights are like superheavy Warp Spiders.
>>98508249Damn that's cool, too bad it's legends... might get one anyways
>>98508236>slaughter an entire company worth of space marines>after having massacred an entire army's worth of guardsmenshit was so fucking goofy i love it
>>98508144Based, real, and true. If you haven't thought about how your army travels between planets and battlefields you don't actually care and you aren't even really playing 40k.
>fire warriorwe should get aspect warrior
>>98508268Fuck, true. If you play an Exarch then it would actually make sense if you slaughter an entire army by yourself.
>>98508264my 2000pt force is a mere spearhead element of a much larger general offensive being conducted and i honestly can't be fucked with fully delineating the whole of it as i'm really only interested in the drama of their specific action and it's not as though the circumstance surrounding the engagement being portrayed is going to necessarily be the same from scenario to scenario and foe by foe
>>98508144>they steal shit>rape and pillage until they have to steal shit againDo you really need more than this?
>>98508289world eaters don't steal or rape that's for faggots
>>98506516this is what synapse should be, except tyranids always just get worse versions of other faction rules
>>98507901Absolvor bolt pistol is my fave.
I was an extra on the santa clause 3. Getting jerked off by Tim Allen daily. Now I can't help but grow soft. Without Santa's beard to hold my dick aloft.
>>98508146the jump pack ones tend to have the floppiest poses
>>98508046>Carbines are statwise even closer to regular boltguns.Because they are just boltguns.>Heavy bolt pistols also do not serve a different role to regular bolt pistolsNot everything needs a reason or a different role. Them just being there to be cool and add variety is all that matters.
>>98508303>this is what synapse should beAs a Tyranid player since 2nd edition, no, you are a fucking retard.
>>98508289Okay, but how do they rape and pillage Doctrinally.
Thoughts on painting a Leman Russ like a tank from metal slug?
>>98508219>It makes sense for sneaky marines to have a versatile lightweight alternative to the bolterNo because the bolter is already that.>it makes sense for your next generation assault marines to have a heavier middle ground between the bolt pistol and bolter since they're not using jump packs. First of all there isn't any need for a "next generation assault marines", especially not when they don't do anything assault marines didn't already do. Second, they do have jump packs. Third, there's no real room between a bolt pistol and a bolter. The gear is redundant and makes things inconsistent and bloated for no reason.
>>98508289Yes. Who are you stealing from? By the picture I'm assuming you're playing World Eaters. Okay so if chainaxes break in combat, where the fuck are you stealing Chainaxes from? Let's say for example you're fighting Imperial Guard, Necrons, and Tyranids. None of them have Chainaxes. So you're not stealing any of that shit from them. Where are you getting them? Maybe they need to start replacing Chainaxes with Imperial Chainswords. Are you representing that on the models, using more Chainswords? Are you taking Imperial style chainswords and filing off the aquilas or whatnot and carving and scratching Chaos runes into them? Then it doesn't really look like you're stealing your gear. How about helmets? Where are the spares for those coming from? You aren't stealing those from Guardsmen or Necrons or Tyranids or Eldar or most other factions. What are you using for transports in between battles? Are you fucking walking? If you're using vehicles what are they? Aircraft? Space craft? Breaking into the webway?You should think about all of these things.
I hate minorities and women what army is right for me?
>>98508319>Because they are just boltguns.They really should but GW insists on being retarded.>Not everything needs a reason or a different role. Them just being there to be cool and add variety is all that matters.My point is that they don't have either. If they were just cosmetic differences explained by different patterns I'd have no issue. GW just insists on being stupid with primaris weapons. Changing shit as if they hated the originals.
>>98508355ntab world eaters are joined at the hip with one of the largest dark forgeworlds
>>98508349>sneaky>No because the bolter is already that.lol "old good new bad" clowns tie themselves in absolute knots defending their dogma
'Lo friends. Grognard checking-in with you lads. Been playing since 3rd edition. Big fan of the primaris updates, really feels like the good old school sm with modern updates.
>>9850828240k plays around the platoon level so there not much need to detail what the rest of the force is doing, though a general picture does help give context. Say the army is pushing the frontline forward while your force tries to capture a fortification, attacks supplies or communications or it's simply an advanced recon force dealing with an enemy patrol in no man's land. Loads of possibilities.
>>98508359Okay which is cool and that's a start but then you still got a bunch of questions to ask. Like are they doing any particular missions for the Dark Mechanicum in exchange for this gear? Are there particular items they are sending you to steal in order to trade for more arms and armour and ammo? How are you getting between the Hellforge and the battlefields? Etc.All players should think about things like this because it gives you inspiration for how to start customizing, converting, and making your army feel real and part of the setting, not just game pieces that respawn in between infinite meaningless tournament rounds.
>>98508357>They really shouldThey already are.>if they were just cosmetic differencesThey already are.Like you said the extra AP means diddly squat anyway, and doesn't make them much different, so they are just cosmetic
>>98507923>Plenty of other AP5 weapons got AP-1 in the translation.Like what?
>>98508371No one has ever said this and meant it, but I respect the bait attempt.
>>98508386NTA but it's bloat, adds an entire separate line of weapon stats just to change the AP to -1
Guys, it's super simple.
>>98508398Kek
>>98508398mind fucking blown
>>98508386Are you autistic?
is making AI videos of your models based or cringe.
Bolt rifles, and Primaris in general, just look gay, is all. They just look meh. I just don't like them. Won't pay money for them. It's really that simple. Models are expensive and if GW wants me to spend money on models they need to make them more than just average or good enough, they have to be exceptional, they have to tickle my brain in all the right ways, they have to be fucking awesome. Primaris are just super fucking mid. Some of them in previous editions were downright bad, awful even, but these days they're usually just mid. But mid isn't good enough for my money. Sorry! I'm just not going to buy them is all. Why don't you make some space marines like this, James?
>>98508424Using AI is Ultra Cringe.
>>98508428To me it's much simpler. I liked marines. Changing every little thing about them like the ship of Thesseus until the only thing in common they have with the marines I liked is that they are big space men with big pauldrons makes me dislike them. The fact that they are the reason why the marines I did like are forever gone makes me resent them and no matter how much time passes it's not gonna change.
>>98508446I understand what you mean, and I agree with you, but I believe that, if the primaris changes had actually looked good, we wouldn't feel that way. It was the fact that almost all the changes were negative.
>>98508424based, scamming kiddos is valid
>>98508349>No because the bolter is already that.Why are you like this?Also I'm talking about assault intercessor squads which do not receive jump packs and benefit from a stronger but still manageable pistol.>Third, there's no real room between a bolt pistol and a bolter.You're just being silly now. I'm sorry the existence of new bolter variations trigger your autism but they're entirely reasonable.
>>98508327>I want my army special rule to be a debuffGet with the times grandpa, it's not 2nd edition anymore.
>>98508479You are a retard who doesn't know anything about Tyranids at all. It was never a debuff and it was also the same fucking rule from 2nd through 9th edition with only slight changes.
>>98508424cringe
>>98508485Take off your rose tinted goggles dumbass. It was always the same principle of "if you move your guys outside of 12" synapse your guys act retarded", and some lame ass leadership buff bundled in. It was a rule that at best had barely any effect on the game and at worst made our own guys worse.
>>98507928So much of the Eldar FW stuff is so simple getting it cheap from a recaster is better.
>>98508503You never played a single edition before 10th and have zero idea what you are talking about.It was a bubble of 12" Fearless that ignored absolutely all psychology. Also in 4th edition granted immunity to Instant Death, and in 9th was reduced in size to 6". That was it. Everything else was Instinctive Behaviour which was a separate rule that either didn't exist or worked completely differently from edition to edition. Synapse was purely a buff.
>>98508424Literally depends on the outcomeIts cringe if its done seriously in a way that comes out shittyIts based if the end result is genuinely cool or funnyIts also based to piss off militant anti-AI people
>>98508424It's cringe if you pretend there's any merit or worth to it beyond a cheap laugh you'll forget about in an hour
>>98507908>>98507914>>98507949>Imperial Armor mentionedhttps://gofile.io/d/I3Df7E0n
>>98508479>I want my army special rule to be a debuffYes? I do want my dudes to be cheaper than they should be with a logistical challenge added on top.
>>98508510oh well its definitely cringe then, >>98508519mainly just testing out to see what's possible with a new model.
>>98508508synapse and instinctive behavior went hand in hand. Other than that it gave leadership buffs which it already does currently in 11th, whoopdyfucking doo. Sorry for wanting synapse to actually be a relevant rule for once instead of a lame afterthought.
>>98508543That is...insufficient.
>we added lethal hits to orks to show that with a lot of bullets even some of the bullets find weakspots in the armorbut isn't that literally what the wound roll is supposed to represent?
>>98508558Buy the models, goy
>>98508536Would be cool if they actually were cheaper, and the debuff was more interesting than the old instinctive behavior rules. Something like they get statline buffs but take mortal wounds or something if they're out of synapse.
>>98508558no, it's what the armour roll is meant to represent
>>98508564>and the debuff was more interesting than the old instinctive behavior rules.Agree on that.>Something like they get statline buffs but take mortal wounds or something if they're out of synapse.My first instinct was something like: Units in synapse are immune to battle shock, units out of synapse are battle shocked. But that might be too far.
>>98508558You're missing the big picture hereThis opens the door for the 150-point Leman Russ Punisher (20 attacks of s6ap0 damage) to get Lethal Hits on its main gun
>>98508558You're going to be getting a vist from the GW legal team if you keep talking like that.
tyranids should have to shoot/charge only the nearest targets if they are out of synapse range
>>98508558>>98508598HahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>98508558We can skip the "but did it hurt?" roll if we've already established that the Hit was Lethal.
>>98508624But how do you know if the hit hurt without a roll?!
>>98508610>Space Marines go from elite armored infantry to "Toyota Hilux: the faction"
>if you build to handle knight spam or vehicle guard spam with lots of antittank, you'll love to ork/guard infantry spam>if you build to handle infantry spam, you'll lose to knight and vehicle spam>if you make a balanced list that makes sense for a bit of both and has a variety of units for your own army, you'll likely lose to bothThis is a fundamental issue with the game.
>>98508643>>if you build to handle infantry spam, you'll lose to knight and vehicle spamnah nigga that just makes you pick disposition where the less relevant side becomes action monkeys unless you're PtF brained
>>98508634Because it Hit something so Critical that damage is inevitable.
>>98508643The real issue is that stacking damage is king and you need at least three of any specific counter to get the desired effect.
>>98508264Mariens are easy, Mine hotdrop impulsors and use traditional thunderhawk transporter delivery for most of the foot sloggers, they deploy close to the target and then move in after servo skull drones find a good spot. Scouts and Incursors use the Impulsors as highly mobile recon platforms to find the enemy, then dismount and start marking targets while the transports shuttle back to pick up the actual follow on hitters. Force command and veterans chill in a landraider that is used to hammer the hardest target. Drop pods (off table) deliver heavy weapon teams who walk on from strategic reserves to flank from the table edges.Tau are also easy.They mostly use retooled imperial ships for transport while the small number of actual Tau hulls are kept close to the actual sept world. Aquila’s modified to drop crisis suits are a favourite. Though it has led to some unfriendly fire incidents.
>>98508643Sounds like a fundamental issue with your skill.
Will GW move to dropper paint bottles anytime soon?
>>98508720That would mean buying new machines which means no.
>>98508720>will GW make a pro-consumer change that results in having to buy less paint?
>>98508720I doubt it. They've had years to and haven't yet.
Will GW stop charging insane amounts of money for tiny pieces of cheap, unpainted plastic?
>>98508748what are you doing being involved in this hobby without an SLA machine in the year of our lord two thousand and twenty six
>>98508720Not until people stop buying their paints.
>>98508624>We can skip the "but did it hurt?" roll if we've already established that the Hit was Lethal.But how will the target know they got hurt if they died before their brain could ever register taking damage?
>>98508610>tfw orks also have a better ATVhow many back to back Ls can marinefags take?
>>98508748no
>>98508720GW just had an “update” to their bottles through a logo change, so expect the next potential update to be at least a decade from now.
>>98508269If you play as an autarch you could justify using all of the aspects’ weapons
why do eldar have coneheads
>>98508811who you calling conehead
>>98508811greeks
>>98508811They are all secretly part of the Ku Klux Klan.No, I'm serious, it was the eldar who had Martin Luther King assassinated in 40k.
>>98508839Please understand, a farseer had a bad dream
>>98508748>unpainted
>>98508839>also consider humans animals and will casually call them “monkeys” its all coming together.
>>98508839>>98508853>>98508882wtf I'm buying an entire Eldar army RIGHT NOW
>>98508888sorry you got khornate quads you have to buy 120 berzerkers
What does /40kg/ think of this base for Typhus? I went for a split rock with a few skulls and smaller rocks around. His right foot is standing on a pile of imperial rubble, but I think that could fit with the scene.
>>98508905I like itHave you seen that trick of mixing super glue and white glue to make gross infected looking veins? Could do that on some of the basing to sell the corruption
>>98508911I haven't, that sounds cool.
>>98508923It causes the glues to wrinkle and form these random natural patterns, I'd look up a video but it's super easy to do
>>98508941damn that's actually gorgeous
>>98508941Holy shit, I didn't know this was possible.
>>98507535I'm the GSC player anon.>>98507514thanks man. I'm more into having fun, the guy I'm playing with is extremely chill so whichever direction the game goes I'm good.>>98507531I'm gonna do my best to cage into my side of the table and harass the backline with cheaper units. I need to hold objectives but when 5 bladeguard + sanguinary priest roll in I don't have anything that can withstand such attacks. It's going to be an uphill battle vs purge. Almost tabled him in an earlier game but I got super lucky in that one.>>98508094Nobody does, I'm the only one who plays at our community. I'd suggest watching Floof's videos on YT.
>>98508941Would these two glues work?https://www.amazon.com/Adhesive-Acid-Free-All-Purpose-Flexible-Bookbinding/dp/B0DW45N11C/ref=sr_1_6?sr=8-6https://www.amazon.com/Loctite-Control-4-Gram-Bottle-1739050/dp/B00ELV2D0Y/ref=sr_1_3?sr=8-3
>>98508978I haven't tried it myself but I think you want thin super gluejust grabbed a top video from google so not sure if it's the best guide on it but this might run you through what you need https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1AfUL9OjwQ
>>98508978i think what's called for is more or less kindergarten-modo thick white construction paper kinda glue and then a straight-shooting cyanoacrylate of whatever formthe thinner the better on the latter i'd also suspect for crazy wicking and capillary action
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>>98508706Based, thanks for the write-up>after servo skull drones find a good spotWish this sort of thing was represented more in the fluff/tabletop
>>98509103a hero and patriot...that saved the world.......
I hate how there's a chance that Chaos Daemons will get squatted because the bean counters at GW hate how they are a 4 in 1 deal. (Because Chaos Daemons are legal units in 40K, Horus Heresy, Age of Sigmar and Old World)
>>98506133first half decent knight, pissed about how I fucked up my armigers and will need to strip them
>>98508264The warp provides, no seriously can you tell the warp to stop it keeps dumping space hulks on my door step.
>>98509215They won't be completely squatted at worst they'll be sent into every monogod legion
>>98509215They'll be fused into the cult legions and balanced so that they are not a functional army without muhreens
>>98509219Will sponging let me paint knights not like this
>>98508553How about an action scene?
>>98506123Its what happens when you try to do animation in house and you're a toy company. They should have just paid a real animation company a boat load of money to make 2-4 boatloads in return
>>98506156Luv playin me som green tide
>>98506561As he deserves
>>98506584Its melee blast
>>98506833Don't use bad white? Have you used pro acryl titanium white? Its pretty much the best you can get and works fantastically
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>a drukhari firing a dark lance, a guardsman under orders to shoot better firing a lascannon, and a 1000 year old eldar aiming his bright lance all hit on 3's>it's a long range, S12 ant tank weapon with good rend and damage of at least 2, sometimes d6 or more>they generally have one shot each, and due to good ballistic skill, will often hit once>orks are supposed to be bad at shooting>they only hit on 5's>they are allowed to have long range, high strength, good rend, and high damage attacks because they always miss XD>look at the number of shots>3 shots here, 4 shots there, deffkannon is 12 shots>meaning they also always hit 1 or more times, just like the highly trained soldiers who only have 1 shot>for some reason people still hold the misconception that orks are bad at shooting because they just look at the hits on 5's and forget that have more shots on average, which ends up with a similar number of hits>this is in addition to being a "melee army" so they're allowed to be strong in melee because they're a "melee army">so they simply end up being good at bothThe new codex previews have a lot of power creep. I'm scared for the marine and custodes codecies and I'm also scared since my factions are unpopular and I know I'm going to get bodied for a year or mores until I get something.
>>98506133I put the exodites together
What's a good white to base with in citadel colors for like teeth? Wraithbone?
>>98506875
>>98507174Ghostussy
>>98509353 just get something better than these two shitsticks i'm stuck with
>>98509454I don’t get what’s the hype behind these guys, aren’t they just a disabled atat fighter from Star Wars?
>>98507975OF COURSE russ would have a fucking bolt revolver. God i swear rule of cool becomes rule of retard with the wolves
>>98509488boiling water to deseat everything + fingernails up from the base to scrape away congealed shit + summary circular rubbing the brushes hairs out into a point on a bar of soapshould at least partially resurrect even thosedon't settle for tools that aren't up to snuff if u can anon <3
>>98509509I was going to say the only acceptable case for a marine to use a revolver is a red corsair, but I looked it up and this quick drawing motherfucker is using a standard bolt pistol? what a waste.
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>>98509498what is a 'star wars' sounds like some disney property that is lame and gay
>>98508068>because they put a bunch of ugly bulldyke womyn with no beards in there.Every 10-squats squad has 21 head options, 1 is a robot, 6 are female, all 14 male heads have facial hair, 9 of those have a beard. Just don't use the heads you don't want.
>>98507146No, they didn't. You can only use one strat per phase per unit so no reroll heroic intervention. You got duped
Where do you guys download warhammer books ? The Wicked and the Warped got released today and its not on zlib yet
