>>98510889
>1540 bv
At least it's cheap

>BUTTE HOLD

>>98511111
>insta-killed by an elemental carrying a satchel charge

>>98511129
Very accurate to C&C3 then?

>bug mech box and aerospace boxes
When will CGL stop pandering to reddit trannies?

>>98511101
Imagine the size of the flash hider on that thing.

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>Things you shouldn't put in a mech

>>98511203
Women

>>98511203
kuritans

>>98511159
Reddit is the urbanmech and gothic boxes
I remember btg posters distinctly requesting Bug and Aerospace boxes.

>>98509925
>The Canopians are supposed to be close to ancap
>state healthcare
The closest would be Fronc Reaches

>>98511159
Buddy, /btg/ is GM country. We like bugs here. The fuckup is not actually giving us real bugs for half the box.

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>>98511148
Nope.
Actually only one C&C game have instakill.

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HONOR THE DRAGON!

>>98511101
Are you even allowed to post images of the Stuka Aerospace fighter anymore? They tried to cancel the Rommel tank a few years back because it was named after a nazi field marshal.. What if the descendant of one of those killed during WW2 by german dive bombers sees it? They might get upset and start a twitter storm!!

>>98511302
>Rommel
Some guy whined about it on the forums and then two days later CGL proved him a dumbass and released new Rommel variants.

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>>98511302
stuka got new art in 3025CE you fucking smoothbrain. get over your culture war victim complex or kill yourself

>>98511129
You do realise the leg ammo is Gauss and therefore nonexplosive, right?

>>98511111
Not in cbills. Could have used an IS LFE, and dropped some ammo and armor to use all IS parts.

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>>98511302
Good thing that "Blitzkrieg" is a British invention.

>>98511238
Aerospace is cool. Bug is a meme, especially when four of the mechs are relatively rare and expensive. Should have dropped a spider and firefly for another flea and cicada or something.

Either way I never complain about more options, especially when it's really just repackaging of existing models.

>>98511273
Who is GLA in Battletech?

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>>98511302
Gonna cry?

>>98511366
WoB obviously

>>98511325
And so did the Rommel

>>98511375
Too high tech

>>98511366
Mariks.

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>>98511389
Seriously?

>>98511393
When you actually look up their force composition is made up of several individual states and how the GLA are made up of several different cells it actually makes more sense than you'd initially think.

>>98511382
Both WoB and GLA are stand-ins for American post-9/11 anxiety about terrorism.

>>98511382
>GLA/luddic path
>owns a fiefdom somewhere in the periphery with large cells operating within the sphere
>forced to use introtech mechs or intromechs that have been given illicit upgrades
>abundant use of militarized industrial mechs
>access to a large population of disenfranchised with nothing to lose

>>98511410
Hate to tell you this, but Wobbies split from Comstar in 1991. Also, that behavior was known forever. My dad used to show interviews with Osama saying death to America in his history class a decade before anything happened. 9/11 just made it where people couldn't ignore that anymore.

How do you guys combine aero with normal battletech in a way that works nicely? The BSP strikes seem more like magical spells than anything air related "I cast heavy strike, take 20 damage"

And any other game I've played which combines the two they either dominate the game or are completely irrelevant. I just can't seem to hit that middle ground.
What also doesn't help is that most of the time it ends up one side kills all the other sides aero, then is free to airstrike the board with it's remaining one or two planes.

>>98511439
Oh I'm aware. But 9/11 definitely defined how both MWDA and The Jihad were written, same as how it affected every other military story in the 2000s and ruined country music.

>>98511440
Try out the air assets in the new Core book, I'm told they're a lot more fun and interactive than the old strikes.

>>98511450
Tried the playtest, still ends up with the situation of one side having shot down the other sides aero and then striking with their remaining unit.

Also the BSP unit destruction roll system really sucks why couldn't they have just made them use alpha strike cards?
And did herb write them? Because LAMs are practically unusable in this system too.

>>98511450
>But 9/11 definitely defined how both MWDA and The Jihad were written,
Agreed.

>ruined country music.
Pop and consumer "muh truck, muh boat" lyrics ruined country music.

>>98511465
And those were introduced to country because of 9/11.

Before 9/11 country music was in many ways a counterculture movement, an expression of rural rebellion that hated authority, cops, commercialism, and the military that exploited America's rural working class for disposable lives. After 9/11, country was coopted by exactly these interests, leading to the Bud Light sponsored, army-glorifying, cop dick sucking nonsense that is 21st century country.

But this isn't /mu/, so no need to go further on that.

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Post games

>>98511366
None.
Since there are no freedom fighters faction in BT

>>98511571
Verthandi Rangers?

>>98511248
>state healthcare
Buddy, the second or third iconic Canopus scene after the cyborg showgirls and maybe a glitzy shot of a vegas-style strip is the huddled mass of sick and dying poors living in an outflow pipe around back. They have a limited amount of private healthcare charity because they require nobles to earn their position and using a loan from mommy to fund a private hospital is one of the easiest ways for an existing nobles kid to "serve the state" enough to also be called a noble.

>>98511366
Zhanzheng de Guang

1/2

>>98502221I gave the new IA rules a 1 game test solo while at the same time trying out the full Core rules to get a handle on all the little changes + their mission ruleset. Decided on capture and control, 3v3 6kBV within scale 3. The mechs I chose all happen to almost be colored red and blue so I went ahead and made it kurita vs steiner.


>Kurita

>DRG-5K (Status Honored);WVR-7M;ZEU-9S;

>Steiner

>GRF-3M;BSW-S2;BLR-3M;

House Steiner was the attacking force, Kuritians on defense. Based on the chosen maps Kuritians positioned the WVR/DRG on the middle open ground to use the superior speed to flank and control the central point while the zeus held the high ground able to immediately contest the right most point. The left most point was originally suppose to be deep depth 3 in the lake, to avoid it being completely ignored I shifted it 1 hex over to a depth 1 hex.

Turn 1 Steiner forces marched in unison through the middle to open up tactical options, Kurita maneuvers into more defensible positions. a few potshots nothing else.

Turn 2 Both sides skirmishers continue to skirmish with some blows being traded, the BLR begins its march in an attempt to cross the bridge towards the right most point. A few more pot shots no serious damage.

Turn 3 Points are now active on controlled sectors. Wolverine jumps to block the bridge to buy more time to hold the right side. Griffin and BSW position themselves around the middle point to pound the WVR, DRG Decides to charge the BLR and does so successfully (Status honored yet again!), BLR stumbles into the WVR while they trade melee blows, no critical damage, no falls. 1:1 points

2/2

>>98502221
>>98511594


Turn 4 WVR heavily damage retreats to cover, Zeus stands his ground, BLR approaches zeus to block point gain. Dragon backs up to reposition while BSW runs past the dragon up to the hill to get a clear view over the river, Griffin holds ground around central point to provide support fire. Zeus sustains crippling damage to engine, must withdraw. Dragon backshots BSW, penetrates his torso armor and hits the ammo, even with case, absolutely wrecked and destroyed. Status yet again honored! GRF tosses a potshot. Score is now 3 Steiner : 1 Kurita. Withdrawing units cannot count for point control and the BLR was within 1 hex of the right most point.

Turn 5 Zeus is overheating and retreating, WVR tries to use cover and keep pounding the BLR. DRG advances up to get a better shot, gets side shot from the griffin setting off the LRM ammo, he served faithfully. BLR finishes off the zeus with a PPC to the face, he is a total wreck. Score is now 5 Steiner ; 1 Kurita

At the start of turn 6 I ended the match with a mercy ending. Kurita has no path to victory with only 1 mech left and only 2 turns of scoring left.
Overall I still like it more then the CGL version, its shorter and more aggressive, though the kuritian forces had much better terrain I could of been more passive and probably decked out more damage but would be initially behind in points and desu that would be the boring path. I will admit the CGL version has a butt ton of knobs you can turn to add more randomness, but your version feels a lot more cleaner and straight to the point making it so much easier to start and play the match.

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>>98511606
Im retarded forgot to post pic

>>98511613
Which scenario was this?

>>98511628
>>98511613
Oh I see it's Capture and Control. Glad you enjoyed. Any flaws in the new version that need addressing?

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Redpill me on CGB; How bad are they really, behind the 'good guys' mask they're wearing?

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>>98511674
Its better then the old version I will say that. The only problem I ran into that stalled everything for like 15-20 minutes is Objective contesting. When you handed over some of the rulings to to the Core rulebook, one of them was how objectives are to be handled when multiple mechs are on a point. I thought I was losing my mind because I legit thought the rule was if an objective was contested, the one with higher total tonnage overrules. No that was a solid ruling that you made in 5.0 which is why it took me forever to find that ruling.

The default ruling on objectives from CGL kinda suck. Basically everything stalemates till all opposing mechs are crippled or fall just outside of the control radius

Is it me or did the new core rules make clubs strictly better than hatchets?
Same damage, same to hit, same table, but a successful club attack causes a. PSR like a kick, and clubs weigh nothing and are free.

>>98511798
Clubs impose more severe restrictions on which weapons you can use and yoy have to spend time grabbing them.

>>98511775
They aren't good guys at all, much the same way the Stoners aren't. That should be expected of clans, though. All clanners are worse than the worst Successor Lords. The bears talk about integrating but keep apart from the IS population in enclaves. They talk about family but ship cross-caste families to Vega. They talk about being true warriors but use simulators for warrior graduation instead of real mechs. They talk about being humanitarians but kill PoW's when convenient. The thing that really makes me hate the Ghost Bears though is two things. First, their bear rage never bites them in the ass. It carries them through in a berserker fury instead of off a cliff every fucking time. The second is their lethargy never bites them, either. You never have a quick raid or a quick war nip pieces off of them before they can spool up to full conflict.

On the positive end, they have a shit ton of neat toys including the most broken Warship and Dropship designs in the entire setting.

>>98511798
Only if you are picking up an arm or girder both of which are situational where you can get them. Tree clubs break after use.

>>98511817
>They talk about being true warriors but use simulators for warrior graduation instead of real mechs.
Dominion Civil War books showed them using real mechs

>>98511842
That's because the current authors didn't read the DA fluff.

>98511849
>guy who thinks MWDA is canon
Lmao even

>>98511899
>Guy who doesn't realize ilClan is just DA part 2
Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder!

>>98511849
Alternatively, it could be considered as another split between the Joiner and Denier factions. The Dominion Civil War could have been a small dustup started by Alaric, but could lead to something worse for the faction over time.

Something something Ghost Bear is a family, and families can be very good at holding grudges and fighting after trust gets broken. And a Civil War is very good at breaking trust if reconciliation falls through.

>>98511296
There is literally nothing honor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W7JMcLvUeE
>all professional and well equiped troops lost in Dragon's tongue
>Bears on the one side, Ravens on the otherside
>4 more clans, including Jags from the side of hollow husk of Deiron military district
>no FedCom to bail Dracs out in the last moment

>>98511410
As are the Covenant in the Halo sequels

>>98511613
what are those number markers from? your own?

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>>98511775
>How bad are they really, behind the 'good guys' mask they're wearing?
Like average Great House.
Bears issue is that writters oftenly mistakes them with other Clan.

>>98511945
That's the gayest thing possible which means it will probably happen.

>Wolves offer some concession to Bears
>Assrape the Hell's Horses into submission
>Invade Combine
>Le epic battle of Luthien but nobody to save the Draconis Combine
>Combine gets reduced to a rump state
>Good guys win again!

>>98511988
>>Combine gets reduced to a rump state
Let's mot pretend Combine didn't reduced itself to rump state in DA

>>98511988
>>Assrape the Hell's Horses into submission
Not in near future, otherwise they wouldn't nclude new Horse's Khan speech calling out Alaric for hiding behind politics and protocols from batchall like spheroid.

>>98511992
>Controls more worlds than entire "Third Star League"
>Rump state

>>98511999
>ruling family gets overrun by insecure homosexual warlord
>the said warlord purges and decimates capable military forces and officers on possible Clan-Combine fronts
>bids entire Combine military for crazy rush towards New Avalon
>Combine borders left open
Okay may be rump was a bit harsh word, but DA Combine is certainly a failed state.

>>98512017
>>bids entire Combine military for crazy rush towards New Avalon
Their strategic situation was fucked anyway. At least if they deleted the Fedsuns than they could stand a chance against the Ghost Bears. They were never going to win the Third Dominion-Combine war anyway.

>>98512017
Black Dragons literally at the wheel means we're in for a wild ride.

>>98512028
>At least if they deleted the Fedsuns than they could stand a chance against the Ghost Bears.
But they did defeat the Fedsuns on Palmira catching most of the Fedsuns military.
The issue they decided to push all the way to New Avalon instead of forcing comfortable peace with Suns and returning troops to their stations.

>>98512043
Suns would have just counterattacked and destroyed them like they actually ended up doing. Need leave the fedsuns a rump state.

>>98512043
>But they did defeat the Fedsuns on Palmira catching most of the Fedsuns military.

That was just the Snow Raven Khan destroying her hubby for cheating on her.
>You can't pick up chicks in a tank...

>>98511674
I have a couple questions. I only played your old C&C.
>Why did you switch from radius 0 to 1?
>Why did you switch from defender having control over the objectives by default to not?
>Why did you switch from scoring starting at turn 3?

Also I could recommend making the writing in C&C be consistent with KOTH, meaning instead of using the "Radius" terminology from the Core Rulebook in one entry and then not using it but describing it in another entry, maybe both should refer to the rulebook?

Suppose that CHH captured and adopted a CW warrior with Kerensky claim. Can they send him to get Kerensky bloodname from CW when a spot opens up? If he succeeds, will they be able to use his gene and name in the future for their stock?

>>98512088
Nope. You can do it if they already have the name, but not if they're just a candidate.

>>98511302
What about a Kuritan flying a Zero?

>>98511450
>ruined country music.
What was there to ruin? Country music sucks.

What happened to the posts from yesterday about the bug box and aerospace boxes? I can’t find anything from 14 Aug?

>>98512088
>Can they send him to get Kerensky bloodname from CW when a spot opens up?
Before Wars of Reaving they could, but after Council of Six became just nominal ruling body, so such custom ceased to exist.

>>98512233
OP links the thread before last, check the thread the first post is replying to.

>>98512062
>Suns would have just counterattacked and destroyed them
Well they wouldn't because bulk of FedSuns army would still be decimated by Dracs on Palmira and Dracs would simply retreat to reinforced border, rahter that trying to hold the Tongue.

>>98512233
Blakists interfering with thread content. Stand by
>>98506821

>>98512248
And then the Suns would have rebuilt quickly and assraped them alongside the Bears. At least torching Avalon savaged their capital. Really Kuritans should have pulled a Kentares on New Avalon, not like they have any allies or anyone bordering them who isn't an enemy who will attack them at the first opportunity.

Why did FASA love d6's so much
Did anyone ever find out

Battletech, Shadowrun

Why can't I hold all these d6's

>>98512276
Cheap and abundant. Remember they started in the 80s.

>>98512276
d6 were common back in the day because it's also the "standard" die.
Aside the D&D people with the D20 niche.
There was a time, it wasn't about squeezing the fans... gosh I'm old.

>>98512287
>Cheap
I wince when I look at the prices GW sells their shitty dice for

>>98512293
At the time you'd steal your D6s out of Monopoly and other normie board games.

>>98512301
surely all the cheapo board game d6's were white though, no? kinda need multiple color d6's

or were 80's kids rolling every single 2d6 one by one uphill both ways?

>>98512322
You used poker chips for color for movement dice and stuff.

>>98512338
I don't mean movement indicator dice, I mean for rolling attacks

>>98512346
>for rolling attacks
Don't need multiple colors for that. You just announce weapon and target number.

"Medium lasers on 6's"

>>98512322
They were all white, but a lot of them are from different manufacturers and have different shades of white. Some of them were different sizes too. It's not ideal, but there also weren't things like LBX, the most clusters you were rolling at once was for SRMs

>>98512351
I'm asking because people nowadays tend to throw many pairs of different colored dice so that they can resolve multiple attacks in one roll, or throw one color for the attack and the other color for the hit location/cluster table in case it hits. This is faster than rolling each attack one by one. So I was wondering if the standard way was doing it one by one back then
>>98512354
The different shades and sizes makes sense yeah
I can imagine things got complicated in the 90's with LBX's. I wonder when the first "box of death" was implemented

Personally I prefer calling them maracas but that's just me

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>>98511511
An Aces game from the Scouring Sands book. After we beat the campaign we ran some of the missions we didn't do but changed the opfor. Fun was had

>>98512404
Big fan of using the wooden surface on its own because it fits the arid color theme

>>98512249
Thank you sir!

>>98512351
Germans still do this apparently. A friend recently played at a German event and they were mainly speed rolling a single set of 2d6, and were baffled by the concept of "transparent dice are medium lasers, the solid ones are the srms" and rolling multiple sets of 2d6 at once

>>98511450
>ruined country music
But I'm so much cooler online!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE6iAjEv9dQ

>>98511580
>They have a limited amount of private healthcare charity because they require nobles to earn their position and using a loan from mommy to fund a private hospital is one of the easiest ways for an existing nobles kid to "serve the state" enough to also be called a noble.
Anon, I am confused, is this not based and Monarchy-pilled?

>>98512411
That was our thought too. We got some cheap plain tablecloths to mix it up when we feel the need.

>>98512017
My understanding of where the Combine is currently is that Yori allowed the Kanrei to plunge headfirst into the middle of enemy territory, then decided that all of the reinforcement units she conjured into existence were fine just staying near Luthien. So her political rival and those loyal to him conveniently ceased to exist, the FedSuns are too exhausted by cleaning the invaders out to threaten a counter invasion of Combine space, and the Ghost Bears, after punching themselves in the balls over Alaric, are about to confidently stroll into a war with Yori's fresh army.

>>98512521
The problem is when you roll more than a single set of attack per dice, there becomes a need for a 'reading order' to prevent dice being paired together favorably accidentally or intentionally.

Consider 4 dice and you're rolling for 8s. If you rolled two 1s and two 6s. If all 4 dice are identical you could combine the dice in a variety of different ways, but the only way you get a hit is by having the two 6s together. Unambiguous reading of which dice go together is needed to prevent players from angle-shooting or accidentally altering the probabilities.

Put differently, multiple simultaneous resolutions make sense only when you have a different color for each d6 or can keep them in separate partitions like in a box-of-death. In warhammer buckets of dice work because hit, save and wound rolls are all a single die.

Hammerhead 2 seems like a really good close range mech. Is it totally fucked in BV cost?

>>98511450
Oh, you sweet summer child. Garth Brooks ruined country music long before 9/11; all 9/11 did was inject blind jingoism into a swirling bowl of corpo dogshit.

>>98512670
You misunderstand me. I'm talking about using multiple different coloured pairs of dice, therefore keeping it abundantly clear which die belongs to which pair. But this does allow you to roll multiple attacks simultaneously.

>>98513125
Oh yeah in that case you're cool. Mb. Just so long as all of them are unique and there's no mix up on which one is for which weapon. I have dice for walk/run/jump/sprint, so I usually will try to roll 4 weapons at a time with a pair of each if I can.

I'm not sure if this is the right way, but surely if BSP assets are a fun way to play combined arms, they'd hold up standing alone right? For my next game I'll, try and convince a friend to play BSP only Vs BSP only. This is probably going to suck

>>98513199
I strongly recommend against this in the same way I would suggest people playing football with a ball and cleats should probably not play football with no ball and just cleats.

>>98512276
Stacking ability for transport. d6s all naturally want to stack and you can get both a variety of options and at least a decent probability curve using 2 of them.

When you stack d8s you end up with an awkward zig-zag pattern and setting up multiple stacks side-by-side doesn't look too good and the same happens with d10s. d12 is the next stage where you hit good stacking ability, even if still lesser, but that's just a multiple of six. You have to hit d20 in order to get something that stacks good on a different axis.

>>98512670
>box-of-death
I asked about this before, but is there a way to get one of these in Tabletop Simulator? Or would we be stuck with a ton of individual rolls with maybe some multi-colored dice or a program to run that all?

>>98503017
He did a good job in the battle. The Wolvie is a nice upgrade, he keep it.

>>98512647
>the Ghost Bears, after punching themselves in the balls over Alaric, are about to confidently stroll into a war with Yori's fresh army.
They already won that war. Got within two jumps of Luthien and Combine agreed to terms.

>>98514085
[citation needed]

I remember seeing this one image posted here back maybe in early 2022. It was a mechwarrior OC, short with big orange hair I think and stated to drive a dragon iirc. Anyone perhaps know that image?

>>98512647
>So her political rival and those loyal to him conveniently ceased to exist,
Along with bulk of Combine military

>>98511925
>but could lead to something worse for the faction over time.
>could lead
Come on anon.
CGL would never do harm to clanners, they even saved shitty Clan Protectorate from retaliation from the rest FWL.

>>98514224
>bulk
Not even half, retard

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>coolest looking battle armor ends up in the hands of the most impotent faction

>>98514329
Hey, they finally put the Longinus on the open market by ilClan

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>>98514329
BA = sex
Protos = trash

>>98514378
The Fenrir and Sloth are so fucking stupid but I'd love to see them fucking something up on the battlefield anyway.

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>>98514385
Kage is the shit

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>>98514329
Relax, some factions knows how to use them properly

>>98514432
Noddists are not welcome here

John CGL himself puts a gun to your head and says you have to come up with faction specific abilities for battletech, what do you do /btg/?

>>98514470
Tell the faggot to pull the trigger twice cause I ain't a bitch for Mormon cultist thieves

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>>98511511
Scouring Sands sortie #5. The clanners got a really bad beating. To be fair though, they've rolled like shit. Like the Thunderbolt hitting on 6s missing everything.

>>98511571
Laughs in Free Skye

>>98514968
Clean yourself from Steiner's semen first.

Motorized platoons are so funny. Imagine 30 yns on ebikes getting out of an APC like a clown car and doing drive-bys on an Atlas.

I wish the platoon construction wasn't so confusing and unintuitive, and in an ideal world small arms and support weapons make separate attacks.

>>98512276
Because BT was influenced by Traveller and Avalon Hill hex and chit games that inevitably used 2d6

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>>98515072
>caring about infantry in a 'mech game

>>98515072
I haven't seen a lot of 15 ton infantry bays.

>>98515072
>>98515131
The rules for fighting infantry are slow and sucky. You either aren't built to fight them and so you have to pick them off like ticks with your guns in a ridiculous display of single target overkill damage, or you have an emotional support weapon and get to waddle over and gently rub them out with machinegun fire while being cherry tapped in return, or you take one of the "kill all infantry now" options and commit genocide immediately. It's too swingy. Battletech is bad about counter-picks and infantry are just one of the more slow and dull versions of it.

Dunno about how support assets handle them but it's probably better.

>>98515167
>>98515131
Things should be reworked so a battle between Mechs and Infantry is heavily in a Mech 's favor. You should unironically feel like a god squishing ants, taking out a Mech with infantry should feel like a miracle. The mechanics should be used to prop up what the setting should feel like, not arbitrarily 'balanced' to be a slow, boring slog.

>>98515167
The issue was identified literally decades ago. The issue is that infantry fight to the last man 100% of the time on the tabletop. Meanwhile, as a general rule, any post-1945 infantry which takes more than 30% casualties in a single engagement is going to break and run 90-95% of the time. They might well reform and rejoin the operation, but that takes time, and that time doesn't exist on the Battletech tabletop. Infantry were given the survivability and firepower to better represent their IRL capabilities, without suffering any of the IRL weaknesses.

Make infantry start coming apart when they're hit with Mech grade weaponry, or suffer casualties from Mech physical attacks, and infantry will get fixed pretty much immediately. The fact that not only are morale rules locked in TacOps but that they're insanely badly written so that green infantry is only fleeing if they've taken 50%+ casualties on a 10+ roll, is a fucking joke. On the fiction, infantry who take Mech grade weapon casualities fucking RUN AWAY. They should on the tabletop as well.

>>98515397
Currently forced withdrawal is set at 25% or less remaining. This I think is also partially set such that battlearmor doesn't immediately turn tail as soon as a single one goes down.

Though the timing argument might also be used for the lower number. A battletech game of 12 rounds is only two minutes. How long does it take for your unit, after getting hit to take stock of the situation, patch up wounded troops, and arrange for evacuation of the non-mobile wounded? Patching up light wounds alone can easily take multiple minutes

>>98515397
>any post-1945 infantry which takes more than 30% casualties in a single engagement is going to break and run 90-95% of the time.
they become combat-ineffective at 25% casualties, but they would still be a cohesive fighting force and would certainly conduct a fighting retreat rather than rout, which every commander would simply excarbate casualties

we already see this occur in tactical games where unit damage is tied to unit HP
damaged units are simply withheld from combat and are conserved to deny the enemy a kill

>>98515397
I don't mind BA being special boys, but at the very least any infantry without anti-mech training caught outside of cover should be packing up and leaving immediately.

>>98515397
Infantry hardly need to be nerfed, and if anything their damage should be buffed. The issue is tedium in killing them which could probably be fixed by making all mech scale weapons do at least 1d3 damage. Autocannons are canonically burst weapons, so an AC/20 could probably kill 1d6 pretty reasonably and a huge 185mm shell or PPC shot should impact with enough force and cause enough surrounding damage to kill or cripple men.

On the other hand infantry weapons, especially crew served weapons should be buffed. Make getting ambushed by infantry a big threat. Mechs walking through a forest or city unsupported should be under threat of someone just blasting them apart up close.

>>98515397
What's the point in running away when they move 1-3 hexes? Battletech is not real life.

>>98515762
>The issue is tedium in killing them which could probably be fixed by making all mech scale weapons do at least 1d3 damage.
I think it should be something related to the density of the platoon in the tile for the more generic weapons that don't have rules for Anti-Infantry like Machine Guns and Pulse Weapons having various d6s.

Maybe do it as a damage cap, using something like "Living Troops/6, rounded to nearest whole number (min. 1)". So an AC5 shooting at a 30 man force can kill 5, while an AC5 shooting at a 12 man force can only kill 2 because they are less clustered together or similar.

>>98511340
>Just use a LFE bro it'll be cheaper
Aside from the fact you would end up more expensive with less ammo and less armor you'd run out of crits?
>>98514451
This is a Nod affiliated board GDI scum!

>>98515894
Perhaps, I'd still caution against going too high in damage and making it a fraction means that most equations would result in them being way too lethal, if an AC/5 kills 5 from a full strength platoon would an AC/20 with no specialist ammo wipe out 3/4ths of a platoon? Also there's the issue of it invalidating cluster munitions which don't consider troop density. I'd say for autocannons absolute max damage should be probably the same as the autocannon's damage, ideally half except for the AC/2. Personally to prevent weird relationships or pointless math I'd probably do something like

>Autocannons (about 75%-30% of gun's anti-mech damage)
3d3, 1d6, 1d3, and 1d2 for AC/20s, 10s, 5s, and 2s respectively
>Everything else (barring VSPs, pulses, flamers, and small/micro lasers that already have specific infantry rules)
8-15 damage 1d3
16+ damage 1d6
7 or less damage get fucked if you want to kill infantry downgrade your clan ER medium to a small laser

Even a king crab isn't some infantry killing machine but it's far less helpless and can reasonably expect with two hits to kill off a third of the unit with its autocannons.

>>98515894
That's more complex than the divisor and multiplier for being in the open. I don't see the benefit.

>>98515762
I like this. Because right now it's almost a flowchart of "do you have burst weapons? Are you slow? If yes to both stay away."

I think mechanized platoons should be restricted to field guns. What I really hate about infantry is how tied the platoon construction is to RPG stats and how the damage and range are calculated, with infantry LRMs magically making your 1/2/3 autorifles hit out to 6 hexes and those autorifles magically making your LRMs hit harder.

C-bill costs are borked, but who cares. C-bills haven't mattered since XL engines.

>>98515980
I wouldn't even make ACs an exception because they can load frag or LB cluster.

>>98515995
I said LRMs when I meant to say SRMs, but it becomes even more absurd with LRMs making your rifles hit out to 9 hexes and the rifles making the LRMs hit harder.

>>98515995
Only reason I'd argue for ACs getting more damage is because they're explicitly burst fire weapons in the lore and it's not like they're generally a competitive option like large lasers and PPCs. Either way I wouldn't complain if they got the same rules as everyone else.

As for weapon damage I think the RPG weapon focus brings it down a lot with pointless fractional damage. At the end of the day 1/2/3 doing 0.54 damage isn't meaningfully different than 1/2/4 doing 0.45 damage. Just say all basic infantry weapons do 0.5 damage and have 1/2/3 range.

>>98511775
>How bad are they really, behind the 'good guys' mask they're wearing?
Mostly it depends who writes them and how.
On one hand as other anons mentioned that Bears, just like Yiffs can get away with nearly everything which would bite other Clan in the ass, from touman remaining dormant for decade but still maintainning their combat capabilities, to direct breaking from zellbringen, including murdering civilian castes and Nova Cat sibkos.
But Dominion Divide (along with some novels, like Trial by Chaos) gave a good insight on how well their integration with spheroid population went (plot twist: poorly)
Half of their civilian population became huge clanboos including their political leadership (Rasalhagian half). Most violent groups of Joiners weren't even warrior caste, they've been washouts or children/grandchildren of the warriors washouts

>>98516115
>gave a good insight on how well their integration with spheroid population went (plot twist: poorly)
And yet they suffered no consequences for this. The Combine has faced more rebellion from its spheroid population since the clan invasion than the bears have.

>>98516113
> I think the RPG weapon focus brings it down a lot with pointless fractional damage
Agreed. Nowhere else does it matter what brand machine gun you use, but using certain laser rifles like as your support weapon like the Mauser 960 can give you more damage than SRMs and let you run faster.

I would personally like to separate out primary and support weapon damage. At least initially (it would be nice for there to be reason to pick gyrojet and flechette rifles, but that's secondary), auto rifles can do .5 damage per man to 1/2/3 and degrade with the platoon, laser rifles do 1/3 to 1/4 damage per man and hit 2/4/6 (or less since they're now part of that weird fractional averaging formula and separate from support weapons).

Support weapons operate on their range band as their own attack and do foo points out to their range, and I guess degrade as squads gets pipped. Maybe they do 5 point clusters to reduce the amount of time it takes to resolve. I'll admit, there is a certain elegance to averaging it out and it gets treated as one single cluster attack; but the way you get there is quite unintuitive and trivially broken.

>>98516174
I suspect that when Infantry get redone as part of the conventional forces book, the RPG weapons thing will be first on the chopping block in favor of broad categories.

>>98516174
Honestly for support weapons I'd just make them normal mech scale style weapons. A support laser is just a medium laser, a support LRM 5 is just an LRM 5. In essence I'd treat infantry platoons kind of like battlemechs and vehicles.

>Infantry platoon has 30 dudes with autorifles
>Infantry platoon has two LRM 5s each crewed by 4 people (I forget what the crew of an LRM 5 is)
>When shooting they make one shot with each LRM 5 and a single shot with all their autorifles which does 22/2 damage (LRM crew is too busy loading, aiming, moving, and firing LRM to shoot rifles) in 1 damage clusters
>No penalty for multiple targets because it's not one dude trying to track and engage multiple separate targets

>>98516245
>>Infantry platoon has two LRM 5s each crewed by 4 people (I forget what the crew of an LRM 5 is)
Those would be field guns imo. I'm content with infantry SRMs staying 2/4/6 and infantry LRMs staying 3/6/9.

>>98516307
Eh maybe. I don't see why infantry can't have relatively light long range weapons. Modern infantry have ATGMs that can hit tanks out to or beyond the max range of tank guns. Personally I like the idea of an SRM/LRM 1 that's essentially a man portable ATGM, full range and damage of an SRM or LRM but with only one dedicated gunner. Part of my complaints are that infantry are pretty weak, even in a city you have to be a retard to get merc'd by infantry as they currently exist. In essence

>Infantry damage goes up
>Infantry survivability goes down

I think actual infantry weapons should do very little against mechs, but they should have some relatively powerful support and crew served weapons to make them a real threat.

>>98515980
>if an AC/5 kills 5 from a full strength platoon would an AC/20 with no specialist ammo wipe out 3/4ths of a platoon?
Reread the suggestion. The damage cap is the remaining Infantry alive/6, not raw damage.

So an AC/2 would deal 2 damage to a 30 man, and the AC/5 deals the max of 5 damage to a 30 infantry platoon, but an AC/20 would also only deal 5 damage to a 30 infantry platoon.

You are right with Cluster munitions being invalidated, so probably make a reference for them like is done with Machine Guns, Pulse Weapons, etc that have specific infantry rules.

>>98516322
I would like to see them work more like battle armor where you instead build squads like you build BA troopers. Yes, squads would make more sense rather than having 56 guys clown car into a heavy APC, but they're unergonomic to deal with and would involve big changes to the leg and swarm attack rules. Support weapon crews take from the rifle strength; there's no .6 multiplier or whatever it is.

We abstract and use cluster hit table as normal. Support weapons make their own attack and degrade as squads are eliminated instead of men. And then we consolidate all the RPG weapons into a handful of classes.

so when does the Starter Box / Core Box / Rulebook hit online stores like Catalyst and Amazon?

Also does anyone outside the US have experience buying from Ares or other online retailers? How was it? Little scared of having to deal with all the unknown tariff + import charges since they say that's 100% on you

>>98516333
>Reread the suggestion. The damage cap is the remaining Infantry alive/6, not raw damage.
Sure but if an AC/5 does that much how much damage would an AC/10 do, an AC/20? Does an AC/10 do squad/3 so it's dropping ten men from full strength? Does an AC/20 do squad/2 so it's wiping out half the platoon reliably?

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whats ur fave BT map. could be anything from a whole custom table, some old sheet that appeared in a magazine, some of them mats, something you drew up digitally for use in megamek, anything

no AS pls, looking for hex only

>>98515762
Buffing their damage isn't going to help the tedium. When you run up with a Locust and send half of them to the shadow realm, they still shoot back with an SRM-5~ equivalent and hit on a 7 or 8 since they never have AMM. It's not possible for most anti-infantry weapons to hit them and not be hit back until the invention of plasma rifles. I guess if you have a ton of ammo to spare you can load flechettes or frag missiles, but that's a hefty gun you're not shooting at more mobile threats.

>>98516424
The starter box is already online, I got mine from Aries yesterday. Couldn't tell you how the foreign experience goes, but they've never fucked up an order to me in the US and often have the shipping label set up within a couple hours even if I ordered it late in the day.

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>>98516488
Nothing fancy.

>>98516564
i dig the vehicle tracks all over the sand and the couple buildings. looks comfy

>>98516424
Saw the starter box in my FLGS on Thursday, but I'm mostly just interested in the Core Rulebook. No idea when that one is supposed to show up.

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Just picked these up at the local wargame club's swap meet

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>>98516925
There was a copy of the 20 Year Update in the 2E box as a bonus

>>98516925
Fuck off to a Robotech thread with your off topic shit. Destroids aren't welcome here.

>>98514378
Several of these are basically just protos without all the mural interface bullshit. Or at least ultra lights.
I certainly can't imagine how someone would "wear" a Sloth or an Infiltrator.

>>98516968
Even the Kanazuchi, which was one of the first few kinds of BA, is piloted rather than worn.

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It's coming along okay, I guess.

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any tips on taking good pics with a shitty camera? these look a lot better irl, but kinda ass in the pics

>>98517001
Put your minis in the fridge.

This sounds like a shitpost but fridges have the perfect sort of smooth, cool, indirect lighting that makes mini photos look good.

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>>98517009
it certainly does sound like a shitpost

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>>98516968
>>98516982
The Infiltrator Mk1 probably also uses a Fuchikoma-style transportation shaft. It's a thing the IS does because they don't have the Clan's ideological hangups about war machines having to empower their users in an organic, holistic way.

Heck, I don't think we ever read about IS BA doing the Elemental-thing of ripping and tearing up mechs - many of them aren't even built with that capability.

>>98517029
My roommate once confusedly asked me why I'd left my Crimson Fists all over my shelf and I immediately answered "to protect it from Orks."

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>>98516933
I managed to pick up some lostech myself today as well

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I wish we could get just 1 battletech game that actually captures the wild atmosphere of the setting. Over the top factons. Batshit military culture. Hyperviolent, nymphomaniac rockstars piloting mechs in speedos and bikinis. Apocalyptic war on a galactic scale with everything falling to shit as badly written leaders make the most idiotic decisions possible. All the offerings that get farted out feel like a bland waste of potential outside of the mech combat.

>>98517070
The Ogre's fluff includes a description of them tearing tanks apart with their huge battle claws, but it's actually mechanically impossible for them to do anything to a tank except shoot it with SRMs. BA really need expanded rules for swarming things that aren't mechs, and more use cases for different types and amounts of battle claws. A suit with two heavy claws shouldn't be mechanically identical to a suit with one regular sized claw.

>>98511248
Fronc Reaches is just the America of the setting

>>98517233
>Hyperviolent, nymphomaniac rockstars piloting mechs in speedos and bikinis.
These seem to be rare, really. Best you can get is weirdos blasting 1000 years old music and memes on their sound system or exclusively hiring pilots based on hotness.

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>>98517107
Turns out the copy of TRO 3050 i bought is from the original run, before the Unseen lawsuit. So that's pretty cool

>>98517233
Just say you have a mechsploitation fetish it's faster and gets the message across
Or post that "Neuro helmet gives you pleasure when shooting your guns" post that'll do it too

>>98517336
Best I can do is either dogslop transfanfic or brain damaged canadian-scottish-asian PTSD boomer screaming in norwegian about capellans while fighting clanners in a hunchback running nothing but random lasers and a single AC/2.

>>98517373
I just think that corny 80s aspect of it is cool

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>>98517336
>These seem to be rare, really.
Ehhhhh Mercs come in many different types. It's the professional militaries of the Great Houses that'll be the no fun allowed sticks up the ass types.

>>98517408
The weirdest merc I've read about in a short story was one who got high and got into a sword fight after him and his sworn Kurita enemy got their mechs wrecked.
The standard merc's a military scifi type character, from before the story devolves into multi-genital futanari gestalt world peace or other odd stuff.

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>>98517457
Sounds plenty weird to me and it's a big sphere after all. Sure your bog standard tacticool military man will be generic but eccentric mercs are totally on the table even before modern BT

>>98517499
Is this meant to be an elemental and an aerospace pilot phenotype or did the artist go on to work for Blizzard?

>>98517457
I feel like there's room for pretty much anything due to how inconsistent some of the writing & artwork has been over the decades. There are a good amount of merc outfits that were based completely around a gimmick or made up as a joke.

>>98517398
>Doing blow off the chest of a Canopian whore that's riding him in his cockpit
>"Oh no mission alert"
>Shoves her out of the cockpit, she falls 40 feet to her death on the hangar floor
>Wipes nose, arm covered with blood from cocaine
>"Lets fucking do this!"
>Blasts heavy metal while firing autocannons in a haze of drugs and lust with his pants around his ankles still

>>98517555
This art doesn't look like either of those things anon. I think the perspective may be confusing you, she's way behind the guy

>>98517555
I think the young lady is meant to be farther away and the artist didn't want to draw more boots

>>98517107
>>98516925
>>98516933
>>98517364
NICE
I was so happy when I found a mostly complete BT 2nd Ed box for ~20 bucks

>>98517408
Actually scratch that last part about the Great Houses, with commands like the Saucy Sixth and the Legion of Vega, even they were fucked up.

>>98517634
Let's not forget about the Hegemony Kuritaboo division.

>>98516451
...I already directly stated what would happen with an AC/20 in >>98516333
>but an AC/20 would also only deal 5 damage to a 30 infantry platoon.
Are you a victim of Three Cue learning? You seem to be reading something that I am not saying at all.

I have repeatedly been saying that the maximum damage you can do is the number of infantry alive in a unit divided by six (rounded, min. 1), if there are not special rules for a weapon.

10 men could only suffer 2 damage from a single shot no matter how far above 2 you go. The only other option is 1 damage if a weapon deals 1.

30 men can only suffer maximum of 5 under this idea. An AC/10, an AC/20, a PPC, doesn't matter. It's maximum five per hit. The stuff that would not be doing 5 is stuff that does less damage than 5. Not any weapon that does more.

>>98517748
That doesn't sound like a good idea

>>98517457
>from before the story devolves into multi-genital futanari gestalt world peace or other odd stuff.
what?

>>98517748
You made it sound like the troops/6 was just for an AC/5, not for all large bore weapons. Seems pretty arbitrary to give large bore weapons a modifier like that on the basis that they can hit more men but not modify it base off the size of said bote literal or proverbial.

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>>98517791
Haldeman's Giant Robot novel had a pretty wild ending.

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wouldnt mind a sequel or new version of the HBS Battletech game with tabletop rules/values

>>98517948
Megamek is gratis.

>>98517948
Just play megamek

>>98517948
BTAU or Megamek.

How fun is blakeshit? I've always been a 3020-3050 kind of guy.

>>98518023
They get some cool stuff

>>98517572
>"bitches leave"

>>98518023
They ruined the setting that the Clan invasion actually made interesting and good. The timeline stops in 3067 for all real BT fans.

>>98518053
Cranky because your mary sue mercs got nuked aren't you

>>98518053
Yeah that's why I've always ignored it. I meant from a gameplay perspective.

>>98517858
I was somewhat aware of Forever War ending with a human hivemind, but I wasn't aware of some of his other works doing the exact same thing.

Though are you sure it's named Giant Robot? Because the only things I'm seeing when looking up what the hell you are talking about is Forever War being a full hivemind but remaining individual sexes, and Forever Peace just having general empathy sharing. As well as a movie named Robot Jox, which doesn't seem to have anything you are mentioning?

Like this clearly sounds like prime "made on drugs" material that is at least interesting to marvel at (especially to see how 'from out of nowhere' it comes up), but kinda hard to find it to be able to do that.

>>98517948
Harebrained Schemes got fucked over and wasn't given the greenlight for a Battletech 2 even though everyone wanted it. Damn shame

>>98517948
I'd want it to lean harder into the Mechwarrior RPG side if anything.

>>98518251
And get a shitshow like Star Trek Online? Hard pass, only the 'mechs matter.

>>98518295
..No? No idea where you pulled that out of but I meant like a proper singleplayer RPG that takes from the tabletop RPGs.

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Ok, I'm brand new to the game.

So, if I understand correctly, there is a "new edition" that just came out for the advanced version of the game.

And Alpha Strike remains unchanged, correct?

Have a WIP of my Atlas as a form of thank you/payment.

>>98518374
>So, if I understand correctly, there is a "new edition" that just came out for the advanced version of the game.
The basic rules updated as the Core Rulebook.
>And Alpha Strike remains unchanged, correct?
Correct.

>>98518044
is this some sort of boomer reference we're supposed to understand?

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>>98518424
oh it is a boomer reference then. ok. never heard of that game, but it looks like shit. please go die soon.

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>>98517029
Nah it's true. I took this one in the fridge yesterday.
I found it funny to try and paint a Vindicator in the colors of the death commandos, the elite of the elite of the capellans.

>>98518374
>the advanced version of the game
how do you mean
there's a normal version of the game (Battletech) and there's the lite version of the game (Alpha Strike)

I get confused when I see people describe BT as if you need to be a rocket surgeon to understand when the 80's boxes have "age 12 and above" written on it

>>98518457
It's a line from the movie Robocop.

>>98518507
Well, you have to understand that, in terms of critical thinking, analysis, and mathematical ability, the 12 year olds of the 1980s are equivalent to 30 year olds in 2026. That's the whole reason that Alpha Strike was written; to better service the majority of customers who aren't capable of critical thinking or simple math. It's a deliberately and intentionally dumbed down version of the game to that retards have something to play.

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>>98517389
>>98517389
Yet you refuse the Cowgirl Clan...

>>98517858
>>98518074
>As well as a movie named Robot Jox, which doesn't seem to have anything you are mentioning?
Robot Jox is the closest we'll get to a BattleTech Movie!

>>98518602
i'm a dumbass and i love battletech anyway. it's not that hard to understand. quit smelling your own farts

>>98518608
Fuckoff you trannyfaggot. You putting dicks on everything 'female' and tits on dudes, then demanding we call them 'women' isn't battletech. You have you own entire boards. Plural. To go be /d/egenerate on. You have like 6? Gay faggotry and degenerate evil boards you can go do your fag shit on. /btg/ on /tg/ isn't it, you diseased, brain rotted filth.

>>98517948
HBS gave us the Aurgians. They deserve to be tarred and feathered for that.

>>98518806
Anon, your medication...

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>>98511203
CASE

>>98518602
>bitching about infantry
Hot take. Infantry small arms should do 0 damage to anything aside from other infantry and maybe battle armor and unless you are actual rural militia tier every platoon should have some kind of support weapon that defines its roll and thier anti mech rating mostly represents how many close range anti armor weapons they have.
In prepared positions they should basically be unmovable by enemy fire without specialized ammo and require assault by mg/flamer equipped mechs and battle armor or other infantry to do big damage and force them to retreat.

The current rules for infantry in the open are mostly fine.

>>98518948
Infantry rules represent them using under barrel grenade launchers with AP grenades to damage armor

>>98519010
Infantry rules tell you exactly what weapons they have down to the brand name and most of those weapons have no such attachments.

>>98518810
I think the Aurigans would have been fine if they were a new Jihad to Dark Ages state instead of pre-dating and concurrent with the Succession Wars.
Just feels like ti makes more sense with how they are presented combined with how everyone around was acting like at the time.
Additionally, people drawn in would more focus on those eras and grogs can ignore it easier so their bitching is just part of the ol' "Post-Succession War bad" noise.

>>98517978
Megamek's campaigns are annoying to manage.

>>98517948
>Battles of up to 50 units for the player
>Can eventually build up to a multi-regiment force deploying up to a battalion per battle
>Some campaigns will entail multiple large battles across a planet or several planets

>>98518810
I've never gotten the Aurigan hate.

>>98519120
Old good new bad

>>98519120
Peripherats miffed HBS gave over MoC and TC territories to a rump state that never existed before but fronted like it was a storied and long-established hereditary realm.

>>98519080
I think the Aurigans were fine. Minor Periphery states are supposed to come and go, and that's what they did. Their civil war destroyed anything good they had, their ideological struggle against a militant central authority ended in them becoming a militant central authority, and was in reality just a proxy war between two other states who ultimately proved indifferent to their suffering or ultimate fate. All of that is perfectly inline with the setting. What people seem to fixate on is the stuff from the game that is non-canon and is just there for game reasons.

>>98519120
I don't like them because of where they put them. They say it's because nothing goes on there, but it's a major wedge where things do go on later, and all that later lore in that area obviously doesn't mention Aurigans in any way. If they had put them up on the other side of the Taurians (where there is a big swathe of legitimate nothing before you hit Randis and Tortuga), or even on the other side of the Canopians (where there's already a bunch of do-nothing nobodies and the Marians) it would have been better.

>>98519120
They put them in a shit area when the whole campaign would have worked better on the other side of the Taurians. Also their moral whinging when the dracs alone make the enemy PoW camps look like a holiday resort.

>>98519156
"Remember as we starve you, beat you, and leave you to freeze to death exposed to the elements, some people have it worse than you, so I don't want to hear you being ungrateful, OK?"

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My friend asked for some clan vehicles, so I made an Athena. How did I do?

>>98519188
Welcome to the Successor States. Enjoy your stay. Even Stoners sent their malcontents to Phecda.

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>>98519193
I think your design loses a bit of what makes the Athena unique, sadly. It's a pretty competent 3d model in its own right though

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>>98519193
>No cool goofy 1950's bra cannons
You have to understand that clanner tank design is like silly fisher price toys.

>>98519120
Wrong place to put 'em and couldn't side with the Directorate.

>>98519156
Sounds like standard propaganda and periphery states are generally either hyper stable (Taurians, Canopus) or highly transitory (mostly coreward states and those ruled by actual or glorified pirates). The idea that Aurigans exist for like 200 years and not long after the civil war they collapse anyway hilarious in a battletech fashion.

>You saved us, this is a new day for the Aurigan people
>State ceases to exist in under 25 years

>>98519215
It would be nice if games about picking sides gave you the option to pick sides. Could be fun to for example have a game set in the fedcom civil war where you would be hired by Victor and just side with the Lyrans.

>>98519230
Then they'd have to make two games out of one, doubling the time and cost of production. It's why in Star Wars games even if you start Imperial you wind up being a Rebel anyway, even if you never desired such.

>>98519230
It's strange because previous MechWarrior games did have choice options and even different endings but HBS despite being an RPG did not for some reason

>>98519215
What about the Directorate did you like so much that you wanted to side with them? They didn't have any real characterization beyond "designated bad guy" stuff. You can't even say you prefer Taurian proxies over Canopian proxies since the Directorate false-flagged the Taurians to get their support, then dramatically lost that support when they were found out. The King Crab girl was interesting as a character, but not enough to make me give a shit about the faction.
For the record I'm not really attached to the Aurigans, either. Both sides just seemed like a super generic dynastic struggle where one side was less into the idea war crimes than the other.

>>98519283
Maybe anon thought the Aranos were wimpy and the Directorate was best for the Reach in the long term to keep foreign powers from exploiting weakness?

>>98519260
Depends on the game structure and how many rigid campaign missions there are. Either way at worst it's just a new DLC's wirth of content, hardly a new game.

>>98519283
I like siding with the bad guys and it'd make more sense if the Directorate won because they would've picked a fight and got washed out of the history books to make way for Fronc.

>>98519302
Clearly they weren't, and clearly they didn't. The Aranos were winning the war with Magistracy help, and the player's actions are special ops. I think that the biggest impact the player has is being the ones who prevent the Star League cache from falling into Directorate hands. It's been a minute since I played it so I could be misremembering, but I recall most of the mission briefings being like, "our main army is busy doing a big fight, so we need you to do this side thing so we don't have to reassign our own guys."

>>98519283
>What about the Directorate did you like so much that you wanted to side with them?
Misogyny. The whole reason Centrella backed Arano was man hate.

>>98519312
>I like siding with the bad guys
That's valid, I guess. I'm a Blakist at heart, but I also like their cyborgs too.

>>98519344
I'm sure the Espinoza's using the Taurians to overthrow the Aranos had at least a little to do with it.

>>98519283
>What about the Directorate did you like so much that you wanted to side with them?
"So, we should probably consolidate all our military forces to not get raped and destroyed by pirates as a nation, no matter what some selfish faggots vote."

Nuff said.

>>98519370
The Taurians don't get involved until you blow up that commodore's son, and even then their involvement is disavowed by the Protector. Espinoza toppled Arano with his own power.

>>98519193
I like it. It keeps the general feel and shape of the goofy original but doesn't look so much like a G.I. Joe toy. There are some aesthetic choices I would have done differently, but as I'm neither the designer of the model nor the target audience, that's a small nit to pick. Good work anon.

>>98519390
Wasn't the whole reason that guy's son was there because the Taurians were involved? When does the false-flag attack happen that Kamea's cousin commits?

>>98519413
I thought he was an unaffiliated DropShip hired by the Directorate for logistics work and you blow him up on a trumped-up charge of it being a black ops ship.

>>98519433
I don't know, man. I can't remember shit anymore.

>>98518948
Infantry should be BSP cards or a non combat token you move to secure objectives. They don't matter as a concept of the setting and trying to make them a relevant combat unit means you need to find another game. Because you obviously do not like Battletech.

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>>98519203
That design is so strange it's difficult to imagine how it would work at all. The physical model is even more confusing.

>>98519260
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>>98519304
Allegedly there was a Directorate aligned campaign for HBS planned but it was cut for development time

>>98519413
>>98519433
NTA for both of you, but if I recall correctly, which I might not either, but the game never tells you what actually happened. It's kept vague.
The Taurians could have been telling the truth and Arano just attacked and murdered innocent civilians from an uninvolved foreign power. The Taurians could have also been lying and it really was a black ops shit and Arano's intel was on point. We don't know, which I think was the entire point. What do you do in such a situation in which there's 2 stories you're being told and they both paint themselves as innocent and the other as evil? It didn't strike me as a truth being somewhere in between the 2, but impossible to tell which one was true.

>>98519669
You believe the one who owns your debt and can have your DropShip and Mechs seized for nonpayment anytime she likes, naturally.

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Clan tank design is deliberately, gloriously retarded and I love it.
They got their asses kicked by combined arms so knew that tanks were a thing but their arrogant asses felt they had to do it in their own clan-like way, combined with being too obstinate about mechs and their cult of mech worship to put their better designers who understand how shit works on it.

Leave tanks that look just about workable to the IS, all the best clan tanks should look like someone went out of their way to fuck up a good idea, or strapped way too many guns and missile tubes to a brick because that was about all they could think of.
Their hovers are about the closest thing to passably normal and that's only because they couldn't fuck up the motive system at the base of it in the same way as wheels or tracks to the same degree, and they would have if they could out of spite for having to make a combat vehicle instead of yet another mech.

>>98519769
The only reason the Clans didn't dump conventional vehicle development is to appease the Osis shitters, the biggest jokes of Bloodnames not named Hazen.

>>98519769
>They got their asses kicked by combined arms
They lost because they have a stupid honor system that they don't actually understand and spent an entire war having the football pulled away from them like charlie brown.
Any other take flies in the face of the writing, they absolutely rolled across the galaxy and only suffered setbacks because they literally just kept agreeing to honor duels and then the other guys put a light stick of dynamite in their mouth and it blew up and they shake their fist and say "consarn it!". BA are better support than most conventionals and they had great logistics. They were just dumb.

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>>98519769
Most of the insane clan vehicle designs that were featured in TRO 3060 have an introductory date in the 28-2900s. The wacky shit is what they were making when nobody else was watching. The most recent clan attempt to make a good tank is this guy.

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>>98519899
Meanwhile wolf-in-exile made this deranged thing.

>>98519913
Plog needs to stop mainlining Skittles before designing things, his diabetes is affecting logic and physics.

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>>98519926
His draftsmanship was not great back then. He's done some pretty good redesigns of some of his bad ones.

>>98519960
That one seems reasonable and plausible enough to exist, true.

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>>98520002
He managed to make the hootlypootli look cool too.

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I always liked the butthurt for its full-body lift fan design.

Spare no pity for the poor retarded clan tanker forced to fight in their stupid ugly tanks designed by techs that would have gained more honor working on developing some mech's left foot actuator than an entire combat vehicle.

>>98519913
This is great, it's like what an child would design a super tank to look like. So they drew a shoe shape and stuck one huge gun out the top and then they decided one gun wasn't enough so added more guns.

>>98519899
Dull and soulless, might as well have been churned out by Defiance as their latest attempt to sell a new Patton.

>>98519960
Like someone strapped a turret with missile pods to a design off of Battlebots, so this is cool.

>>98520012
This thing was always just a retarded lump of another child's drawing of a tank but they wanted loads of missiles this time and halfway through realised they needed more track length, so also the epitome of clan tank design.

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MANTICORE

>>98520152
that's a vedette you trog

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Tomorrow's game is Instant Action, 3152. I'm running my Hinterlands mercs, plus a platoon of local infantry. Because nobody expect unarmored infantry in 3152

>>98520152
Pretty sure that's a Vedette. It has that HISS Tank front section that extends past the threads.

>>98520178
Gonna take the Salvage agenda, because I'm mercs and I've got 5 hands across 3 mechs.

>>98520184
Good god my phone makes my photos look horrible. Everyone pretend you didnt see that

>>98520190
That Crusader now haunts my mind

>>98520194
I prommy real big that it looks better in person

>>98519381
Yes, I too wish to inevitably plung my nation into civil war by destroying it's social fabric and concentrating all power into myself, which I then use mostly to send my political enemies to deathcamps instead of helping anyone, while occasionally making a speech about muh industry, muh national power.

Espinoza was literally just your average tinpot military dictator. He had 0 redemptive qualities and doomed his nation to collapse.